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Title: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: The Manhatter on April 20, 2011, 11:36:03 AM
I hope he doesn't redshirt.

based on the lack of ability to get consistent seperation at the wide receiver position I would use his big play potential 10-20 snaps a game at wide receiver.  Give him some reps at QB, too. 

If Miami and OU want you as a skill player other than QB chances are you may have some abilities elsewhere.  I don't know...perhaps use the resources you possess as a coach?

Anybody think Sams might be a little dangerous on the middle screen? bubble screen?  etc?
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: steve dave on April 20, 2011, 11:37:25 AM
Starting day one QB
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: steve dave on April 20, 2011, 11:38:44 AM
The reason for my answer is two fold:

1)  Daniel Sams is really good
2)  The rest of our QBs are absolute dog crap
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: MadCat on April 20, 2011, 11:41:16 AM
If I were Chris Cosh: Free Safety
If I were Sean Snyder: Gunner
If I were Old and Ballsy: Scout team backup
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Harry Dunne on April 20, 2011, 11:46:32 AM
Starting day one QB
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: KITNfury on April 20, 2011, 11:51:08 AM
If he's indistinguishable from what we have at QB, start him. If he's worse, redshirt.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Cire on April 20, 2011, 11:56:33 AM
REDSHIRT
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 20, 2011, 11:57:40 AM
REDSHIRT
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: The Manhatter on April 20, 2011, 11:58:30 AM
me thinks Oregon is a clear example that if you have a 3 down threat home run hitter at RB and a few decent weapons at receiver you can have trash at your QB and still be successful.  

watching the national championship game this past year was a clear example that you don't need a roster full of stars to win big...just a few difference makers and a lot of vets.  Outside of a few key personnel the NFL views most of the players on Auburn's and Oregon's rosters as trash.

I can't believe Oregon won that many games the past two years w/ Derron Thomas and Masoli as the passers.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Pett on April 20, 2011, 11:58:49 AM
Anybody think Sams might be a little dangerous on the middle screen? bubble screen?  etc?

With Sam's long stride you can only be reminded of "Q" on the WR slip screen. :love:
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: stobblebobby on April 20, 2011, 12:04:53 PM
QB/WR/KR/FS/Head Coach
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: _33 on April 20, 2011, 12:23:25 PM
Starting day one QB
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: scottwildcat on April 20, 2011, 12:45:18 PM
REDSHIRT
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: stunted on April 20, 2011, 12:48:53 PM
He was a punter in HS.  Good to have him handle snaps.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: EMAWzified on April 20, 2011, 12:51:11 PM
Long snapper!
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: The Manhatter on April 20, 2011, 01:32:11 PM
He was a punter in HS.  Good to have him handle snaps.

and Bender placekicks for his HS team.  We could go for the most athletic punter and kicker combos evs.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: _33 on April 20, 2011, 01:44:36 PM
W(hy)TF would anyone want him to redshirt?
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: DQ12 on April 20, 2011, 01:46:29 PM
If he's indistinguishable from what we have at QB, start him. If he's worse, redshirt.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Poster formerly known as jthutch on April 20, 2011, 02:09:07 PM
He was a punter in HS.  Good to have him handle snaps.

and Bender placekicks for his HS team.  We could go for the most athletic punter and kicker combos evs.
  What if we set those 2 up both in shot gun position and we hike it to them depending on which play is called either could throw hand off or run with it.  Good god can you imagine the head aches defenses would have trying to decide who to key on?  Maybe split into a wishbone formation only with out a FB or QB just both set up as running back but could throw or run out of it.  I'm going to start an e-mail campain to Snyder right now with some play concepts and this will give him a year to implement the plan.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: steve dave on April 20, 2011, 02:11:23 PM
He was a punter in HS.  Good to have him handle snaps.

and Bender placekicks for his HS team.  We could go for the most athletic punter and kicker combos evs.
 What if we set those 2 up both in shot gun position and we hike it to them depending on which play is called either could throw hand off or run with it.  Good god can you imagine the head aches defenses would have trying to decide who to key on?  Maybe split into a wishbone formation only with out a FB or QB just both set up as running back but could throw or run out of it.  I'm going to start an e-mail campain to Snyder right now with some play concepts and this will give him a year to implement the plan.

HUR HUR HUR TECMO BOWL OFFENSE HUR HUR HUR
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Poster formerly known as jthutch on April 20, 2011, 02:28:58 PM
He was a punter in HS.  Good to have him handle snaps.

and Bender placekicks for his HS team.  We could go for the most athletic punter and kicker combos evs.
 What if we set those 2 up both in shot gun position and we hike it to them depending on which play is called either could throw hand off or run with it.  Good god can you imagine the head aches defenses would have trying to decide who to key on?  Maybe split into a wishbone formation only with out a FB or QB just both set up as running back but could throw or run out of it.  I'm going to start an e-mail campain to Snyder right now with some play concepts and this will give him a year to implement the plan.

[size=30t]HUR HUR HUR TECMO BOWL OFFENSE HUR HUR HUR[/size]
IKNOWRITE!?!  I think it should be called the double wildcat option  :surprised:
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: PowercatPat on April 20, 2011, 02:58:07 PM
Put him on the front of this year's KSTATEO poster.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: CHONGS on April 20, 2011, 03:05:53 PM
Greyshirt

We can't develop any egos in this team.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 20, 2011, 04:03:39 PM
Sams should just be given free reign to do whatever he wants to do all day every day. He should play any position he wants to play, run the plays he wants to run, and Bill should just STFU and deal with it.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Cackle on April 20, 2011, 05:39:24 PM
Defensive Coordinator
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: wetwillie on April 20, 2011, 05:54:13 PM
frequently
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Cire on April 20, 2011, 05:59:15 PM
If sams doesn't redshirt he is going to be ruined
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Panjandrum on April 20, 2011, 06:30:07 PM
I hope he doesn't redshirt.

based on the lack of ability to get consistent seperation at the wide receiver position I would use his big play potential 10-20 snaps a game at wide receiver.  Give him some reps at QB, too. 

If Miami and OU want you as a skill player other than QB chances are you may have some abilities elsewhere.  I don't know...perhaps use the resources you possess as a coach?

Anybody think Sams might be a little dangerous on the middle screen? bubble screen?  etc?

I don't want to waste one second of his abilities playing anything other than quarterback.

If he's not playing quarterback this year, redshirt him so he can play quarterback next year or the year after.  Don't screw with his development so we can go from a crap bowl to a slightly above crap bowl.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: W.Churchill on April 20, 2011, 07:08:47 PM
me thinks Oregon is a clear example that if you have a 3 down threat home run hitter at RB and a few decent weapons at receiver you can have trash at your QB and still be successful.  

watching the national championship game this past year was a clear example that you don't need a roster full of stars to win big...just a few difference makers and a lot of vets.  Outside of a few key personnel the NFL views most of the players on Auburn's and Oregon's rosters as trash.

I can't believe Oregon won that many games the past two years w/ Derron Thomas and Masoli as the passers.

Are you kidding?  Darron Thomas was a four star recruit with offers from Florida, LSU, Miami and Nebraska.  He had a 62% completion percentage and an efficiency rating of 151 this past year.   
On the other hand, the big "savior" Sams wasn't even offered as an athlete by in state LSU.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: catzacker on April 20, 2011, 07:56:52 PM
I hope he doesn't redshirt.

based on the lack of ability to get consistent seperation at the wide receiver position I would use his big play potential 10-20 snaps a game at wide receiver.  Give him some reps at QB, too. 

If Miami and OU want you as a skill player other than QB chances are you may have some abilities elsewhere.  I don't know...perhaps use the resources you possess as a coach?

Anybody think Sams might be a little dangerous on the middle screen? bubble screen?  etc?

I don't want to waste one second of his abilities playing anything other than quarterback.

If he's not playing quarterback this year, redshirt him so he can play quarterback next year or the year after.  Don't screw with his development so we can go from a crap bowl to a slightly above crap bowl.

normally, I'd say play him, but I have to agree with this.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: PoetWarrior on April 20, 2011, 08:32:36 PM
The Manhatter forgot which team we enjoy watching.

Dream big, man.

War Eagle.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: doom on April 21, 2011, 01:02:51 PM
I'd redshirt him.  Especially if Old Man River is considering using klien or if Tugjob is any good, might as well stretch out our decent qb's lifespan as much as possible. 
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: KITNfury on April 21, 2011, 01:31:52 PM
I hope he doesn't redshirt.

based on the lack of ability to get consistent seperation at the wide receiver position I would use his big play potential 10-20 snaps a game at wide receiver.  Give him some reps at QB, too. 

If Miami and OU want you as a skill player other than QB chances are you may have some abilities elsewhere.  I don't know...perhaps use the resources you possess as a coach?

Anybody think Sams might be a little dangerous on the middle screen? bubble screen?  etc?

I don't want to waste one second of his abilities playing anything other than quarterback.

If he's not playing quarterback this year, redshirt him so he can play quarterback next year or the year after.  Don't screw with his development so we can go from a crap bowl to a slightly above crap bowl.

normally, I'd say play him, but I have to agree with this.
I hear that!

I'm holding out hope that we actually have a good QB in him and considering how poor QB recruiting has been under OB, I want him playing there only and for as long as possible. Either he starts this year and we deal with the good and bad or redshirt his ass.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Stupid Fitz on April 21, 2011, 02:05:05 PM
Depends.  Does he do things the right way???  If he does, he can play QB and option to the short side of the field 16 times a game.  If he doesn't, then he should sit and watch until he does.  Either way we will lose many games with our crap staff. 
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: cas4ksu on April 21, 2011, 03:22:00 PM
I'd like to see him at the 2.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: DoDRepeat on April 22, 2011, 01:17:28 AM
It depends on what he actually looks like in practice. If he has the makeup to be a starting qb right away, I'd give him a shot. If not, I would have him either redshirt or use in multiple facets, like having him in a wildcat package or something. Though if Klein/Tuggle are good enough with the option and what not, there's no real reason to waste a year or eligibility on him.

Too bad he's not here for the spring, that would have really made it interesting.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 22, 2011, 07:34:48 AM
He's probably going to be absolute garbage.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 08:03:37 AM
He's probably going to be absolute garbage.


seems likely
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: kso_FAN on April 22, 2011, 10:27:43 AM
If he's good, I see his career playing our like Ell's as far as development goes. It may take a year or two in the system before we see consistent results.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Pete on April 23, 2011, 06:11:01 PM
He was a punter in HS.  Good to have him handle snaps.

and Bender placekicks for his HS team.  We could go for the most athletic punter and kicker combos evs.

Imagine the "Danny White" quick kicks on third an long. 
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Pete on April 23, 2011, 06:13:14 PM
Let's be practical about this.  Can anyone imagine a scenario where Snyder does not start Klein for the entire season?  I cannot.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: KITNfury on April 23, 2011, 06:44:20 PM
Let's be practical about this.  Can anyone imagine a scenario where Snyder does not start Klein for the entire season?  I cannot.
yes. I can see a scenario where Klein starts for x amount of games but then we struggle and he trots the second string guy out there for a couple games until its obvious it didn't help. Klein starts the rest of the season at that point.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: wetwillie on April 23, 2011, 06:49:21 PM
Have to think bill will use klein to burn clock and limit opposing teams possesions the old bastard is so arrogant he thinks he can play offense and defense with his offense

Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Cire on April 25, 2011, 06:04:09 AM
If he's good, I see his career playing our like Ell's as far as development goes. It may take a year or two in the system before we see consistent results.

May take him a year or two?
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2011, 08:57:20 AM
Have to think bill will use klein to burn clock and limit opposing teams possesions the old bastard is so arrogant he thinks he can play offense and defense with his offense



Well, sadly, he kind of has too. That's Bill's fault, though. Make no mistake.
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: MadCat on April 25, 2011, 09:04:53 AM
Will gladly take the Pepsi Challenge:  Which is the better defense?  :blindfold:
A. (Chris Cosh's defense)
B. (LHC Bill Snyder's offense)
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2011, 09:10:28 AM
Will gladly take the Pepsi Challenge:  Which is the better defense?  :blindfold:
A. (Chris Cosh's defense)
B. (LHC Bill Snyder's offense)

LHC Bill Snyder's offense, not even close.

Here's a tough one (kind of):
Better defense?
A. Chris Cosh's defense
B. Tim Tibesar's defense

Actually, not that tough at all. It's Tibesar. Congrats, Ron!
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: MadCat on April 25, 2011, 09:13:00 AM
Will gladly take the Pepsi Challenge:  Which is the better defense?  :blindfold:
A. (Chris Cosh's defense)
B. (LHC Bill Snyder's offense)

LHC Bill Snyder's offense, not even close.

Here's a tough one (kind of):
Better defense?
A. Chris Cosh's defense
B. Tim Tibesar's defense

Actually, not that tough at all. It's Tibesar. Congrats, Ron!

Somewhere in Iowa, Bobby Elliott is laughing at us.  :cry:
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: pissclams on June 02, 2011, 08:13:13 AM
true story- i had a dream last night and sams was in it.  we were running sprints.  it was me, sams, and a third runner unidentified.  i won the first one, his buds said he wasn't trying.  he tried extra hard on the second one and beat me.  i won the third one.

i'm obviously very fast and in shape but damn. 
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2011, 08:16:35 AM
true story- i had a dream last night and sams was in it.  we were running sprints.  it was me, sams, and a third runner unidentified.  i won the first one, his buds said he wasn't trying.  he tried extra hard on the second one and beat me.  i won the third one.

i'm obviously very fast and in shape but damn. 

Did you win state in high school?
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: pissclams on June 02, 2011, 10:52:15 AM
didn't even run track, how you like them apples? 
Title: Re: how would you use Daniel Sams this year?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2011, 11:01:24 AM
didn't even run track, how you like them apples? 

Sounds like a waste of talent to me. You could have gotten a full ride to college!