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Title: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 04:53:43 PM
Do they join UNC, Duke, Kentucky and UCLA as the Bluest of the Blueblood college basketball programs?*







* Apologies to Indiana, Syracuse and Michigan State, they are just outside the top 5.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Brock Landers on April 04, 2011, 05:04:19 PM
That pretty much puts them next to Duke IMO.  3 titles over a span of only 13 seasons, would definitely have a chance to match the 4 that Duke got over 20 seasons. 
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 04, 2011, 05:07:28 PM
I don't think you can, because UCONN has only done all of this with one coach....We need to wait and see how they do once Calhoun is gone.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 05:09:29 PM
Solid point.  Carolina's consistency over the past decade has been pretty great, but Uconn and Duke have been just so uber good on the big stage.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: j-dub on April 04, 2011, 05:18:44 PM
Wonder where you currently have Florida ranked?

If it wasn't for Butler, they could have made it 3 'ships in 6 years. They have to be top 7 right? Just behind Indiana perhaps.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: AbeFroman on April 04, 2011, 05:27:33 PM
I don't think you can, because UCONN has only done all of this with one coach....We need to wait and see how they do once Calhoun is gone.

Duke?
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2011, 09:32:01 PM
I don't think you can, because UCONN has only done all of this with one coach....We need to wait and see how they do once Calhoun is gone.

Duke?

Duke was very good before Coach K, he took them to another level.  Their program was identical to K-State's before Coach K arrived.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Andy on April 04, 2011, 10:11:45 PM
lol at uconn equaling what took "traditional power" kansas 6 decades to accomplish
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2011, 10:23:09 PM
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Everything about this game is pissing me off. What a fabulous way to crown a NC. A single elimination 6 game tournament. It's the anti NBA playoffs, which I can say without a doubt the best team always wins, and isn't that the point.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 10:28:21 PM
Please don't muck up my thread about one of the top 5 national powers with dumb ku crap.  Any team that can only win a title once every 25 years doesn't belong in the conversation.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Spaces on April 04, 2011, 10:33:01 PM
Didn't wanna start a new UConn thread, but....

DK's look-a-like  :love: :love: :love:
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: doom on April 04, 2011, 10:34:35 PM
Didn't wanna start a new UConn thread, but....

DK's look-a-like  :love: :love: :love:

 :opcat:
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: TrueBlueHawk on April 04, 2011, 10:49:55 PM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 04, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
And just like clockwork . . .

I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

:baittaken
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: TrueBlueHawk on April 04, 2011, 11:17:17 PM
And just like clockwork . . .

I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

:baittaken

Not really.  I knew it was done on purpose, as I stated in my previous post.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 04, 2011, 11:22:20 PM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Deez Nutz on April 04, 2011, 11:23:43 PM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

Any university that hangs up Helms title banners as the equivalent of NCAA titles doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: TrueBlueHawk on April 05, 2011, 12:17:56 AM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 05, 2011, 09:50:43 AM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.

Ugh, I hate explaining stuff to ku fans. 

The resume you rattled off isn't in the top 5.  You have to win more than one title a generation, or have some sick number like UCLA to be a blue blood.  repeat after me:  once every 25 years make you a nifty little program.  Not one of the big boys.  ku couldn't carry UCONN's jock in an oversized wheelbarrow.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 05, 2011, 10:24:46 AM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.

you forgort to talk about Naismith. 
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 05, 2011, 10:28:07 AM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.

Got to give this guy some credit for not trying to claim the Helms "championships." KU's "resume" is probably on par w/ Michigan St or UF, I guess.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Rams on April 05, 2011, 11:11:48 AM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.

Well you should be, gosh darnit.  You earned it!  :bartender:
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: TrueBlueHawk on April 05, 2011, 12:23:28 PM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.

you forgort to talk about Naismith. 

No I didnt.  Yeah he made the game, but what did he do for the basketball program itself outside being the only coach in school history with a losing record.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: TrueBlueHawk on April 05, 2011, 12:24:54 PM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.

Ugh, I hate explaining stuff to ku fans. 

The resume you rattled off isn't in the top 5.  You have to win more than one title a generation, or have some sick number like UCLA to be a blue blood.  repeat after me:  once every 25 years make you a nifty little program.  Not one of the big boys.  ku couldn't carry UCONN's jock in an oversized wheelbarrow.

Uconn = 3 NC's
Kansas = 3 NC's

And as you stated before, its all about the championships, right?
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 05, 2011, 12:31:38 PM
And I was introducing Uconn as a true BB.  By winning multiple recently, they are now past ku.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: MeatSauce on April 05, 2011, 12:35:40 PM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.
I don't have time to look it up, but hasn't Roy Williams been crowned National Champion twice, at North Carolina in the last 6 years, with virtually the same resume?  If you could win 2 National Championships in 6 years at 1 school....that would really make a  24 year coaching career worthwhile, IMO.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Brock Landers on April 05, 2011, 12:57:43 PM
Before winning their 3rd one in 2008, I had KU on about the same level as Oklahoma State.  2 NC's but so long ago that most of their fans weren't even alive when it happened.

I feel you TrueBlue, it's a little unfair, but we are definitely in a "What have you done for me lately" society.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 05, 2011, 01:53:53 PM
Before winning their 3rd one in 2008, I had KU on about the same level as Oklahoma State.  2 NC's but so long ago that most of their fans weren't even alive when it happened.

I feel you TrueBlue, it's a little unfair, but we are definitely in a "What have you done for me lately" society.

this is the national perception.  The '08 win moved ku into the second level behind the real big timers.  Now, Uconn has moved from that second level, to the big timers.  Not exactly fair, but these are the times we live in.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: TrueBlueHawk on April 05, 2011, 02:26:22 PM
Before winning their 3rd one in 2008, I had KU on about the same level as Oklahoma State.  2 NC's but so long ago that most of their fans weren't even alive when it happened.

I feel you TrueBlue, it's a little unfair, but we are definitely in a "What have you done for me lately" society.

this is the national perception.  The '08 win moved ku into the second level behind the real big timers.  Now, Uconn has moved from that second level, to the big timers.  Not exactly fair, but these are the times we live in.

I guess we shall just agree to disagree then.   :cheers:
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 05, 2011, 02:51:04 PM
Before winning their 3rd one in 2008, I had KU on about the same level as Oklahoma State.  2 NC's but so long ago that most of their fans weren't even alive when it happened.

I feel you TrueBlue, it's a little unfair, but we are definitely in a "What have you done for me lately" society.

this is the national perception.  The '08 win moved ku into the second level behind the real big timers.  Now, Uconn has moved from that second level, to the big timers.  Not exactly fair, but these are the times we live in.

I guess we shall just agree to disagree then.   :cheers:

 :woot:
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: mcmwcat on April 05, 2011, 02:54:28 PM
maybe the greatest run in history of college hoops:

Wed Mar 9    40   Georgetown   W, 79-62   67        Neutral    23-9    
Thu Mar 10    4   Pittsburgh   W, 76-74   59        Neutral    24-9    
Fri Mar 11    11   Syracuse   W, 76-71   74   OT    Neutral    25-9    
Sat Mar 12    14   Louisville   W, 69-66   65        Neutral    26-9    
Thu Mar 17    103   Bucknell   W, 81-52   61        Neutral    27-9    
Sat Mar 19    23   Cincinnati   W, 69-58   58        Neutral    28-9    
Thu Mar 24    8   San Diego St.   W, 74-67   65        Semi-Away    29-9    
Sat Mar 26    24   Arizona   W, 65-63   59        Neutral    30-9    
Sat Apr 2    6   Kentucky   W, 56-55   63        Neutral    31-9    
Mon Apr 4    41   Butler   W, 53-41   57        Neutral    32-9    
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 05, 2011, 03:11:33 PM
maybe the greatest run in history of college hoops:

Wed Mar 9    40   Georgetown   W, 79-62   67        Neutral    23-9    
Thu Mar 10    4   Pittsburgh   W, 76-74   59        Neutral    24-9    
Fri Mar 11    11   Syracuse   W, 76-71   74   OT    Neutral    25-9    
Sat Mar 12    14   Louisville   W, 69-66   65        Neutral    26-9    
Thu Mar 17    103   Bucknell   W, 81-52   61        Neutral    27-9    
Sat Mar 19    23   Cincinnati   W, 69-58   58        Neutral    28-9    
Thu Mar 24    8   San Diego St.   W, 74-67   65        Semi-Away    29-9    
Sat Mar 26    24   Arizona   W, 65-63   59        Neutral    30-9    
Sat Apr 2    6   Kentucky   W, 56-55   63        Neutral    31-9    
Mon Apr 4    41   Butler   W, 53-41   57        Neutral    32-9    

That is frikkin amazing.  Even as I watched I didn't believe it.  Especially as shitty defense Kemba plays.  But he stepped it up last night.  Always seems to be in the right spot to get a long rebound.  Uncanny.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 05, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.

you forgort to talk about Naismith. 

No I didnt.  Yeah he made the game, but what did he do for the basketball program itself outside being the only coach in school history with a losing record.

you forgot to talk about Wilt
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: 8manpick on April 05, 2011, 03:33:42 PM
maybe the greatest run in history of college hoops:

Wed Mar 9    40   Georgetown   W, 79-62   67        Neutral    23-9    
Thu Mar 10    4   Pittsburgh   W, 76-74   59        Neutral    24-9    
Fri Mar 11    11   Syracuse   W, 76-71   74   OT    Neutral    25-9    
Sat Mar 12    14   Louisville   W, 69-66   65        Neutral    26-9    
Thu Mar 17    103   Bucknell   W, 81-52   61        Neutral    27-9    
Sat Mar 19    23   Cincinnati   W, 69-58   58        Neutral    28-9    
Thu Mar 24    8   San Diego St.   W, 74-67   65        Semi-Away    29-9    
Sat Mar 26    24   Arizona   W, 65-63   59        Neutral    30-9    
Sat Apr 2    6   Kentucky   W, 56-55   63        Neutral    31-9    
Mon Apr 4    41   Butler   W, 53-41   57        Neutral    32-9    
Wow. Seriously, Wow!
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: TrueBlueHawk on April 05, 2011, 04:05:08 PM
I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.

you forgort to talk about Naismith. 

No I didnt.  Yeah he made the game, but what did he do for the basketball program itself outside being the only coach in school history with a losing record.

you forgot to talk about Wilt

Individuals do not make a program.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Pete on April 05, 2011, 04:13:59 PM
Most of the "who is the best" analysis that I have read typically starts in 1985 with the increase to 64 teams in the NCAA tournament.


KU is "in the conversation" because they have two titles since 1985, albeit lower on the list than UCONN, as Limestone points out.


Additionally, I think everyone would agree that all titles before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are not worthy of inclusion in ANY list...and if they are, it's typically by a racist...but sometimes by a special needs person. 
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: TrueBlueHawk on April 05, 2011, 04:23:33 PM
Most of the "who is the best" analysis that I have read typically starts in 1985 with the increase to 64 teams in the NCAA tournament.


KU is "in the conversation" because they have two titles since 1985, albeit lower on the list than UCONN, as Limestone points out.


Additionally, I think everyone would agree that all titles before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are not worthy of inclusion in ANY list...and if they are, it's typically by a racist...but sometimes by a special needs person. 

Whoa.. I am definitely neither a racist nor a special needs person, just a fan. 
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 05, 2011, 04:24:25 PM
special needs = validation?
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Pete on April 05, 2011, 04:25:47 PM
Most of the "who is the best" analysis that I have read typically starts in 1985 with the increase to 64 teams in the NCAA tournament.


KU is "in the conversation" because they have two titles since 1985, albeit lower on the list than UCONN, as Limestone points out.


Additionally, I think everyone would agree that all titles before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are not worthy of inclusion in ANY list...and if they are, it's typically by a racist...but sometimes by a special needs person. 

Whoa.. I am definitely neither a racist nor a special needs person, just a fan. 

Then you'll certainly agree to omit the inclusion of "championships" before a giant portion of country's population were legally ensured the right to participate, right?

Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: Deez Nutz on April 05, 2011, 08:12:44 PM
Most of the "who is the best" analysis that I have read typically starts in 1985 with the increase to 64 teams in the NCAA tournament.


KU is "in the conversation" because they have two titles since 1985, albeit lower on the list than UCONN, as Limestone points out.


Additionally, I think everyone would agree that all titles before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are not worthy of inclusion in ANY list...and if they are, it's typically by a racist...but sometimes by a special needs person. 

Whoa.. I am definitely neither a racist nor a special needs person, just a fan. 

Then you'll certainly agree to omit the inclusion of "championships" before a giant portion of country's population were legally ensured the right to participate, right?



Sadly, that also means that KSU will have to omit the inclusion of our 1959 national title when we finished that season ranked #1 in the country.  I know it sucks but it just goes to show we aren't just picking on KU around here.  You have to be objective about these things.
Title: Re: If UCONN wins tonight
Post by: mcmwcat on April 08, 2011, 02:10:01 PM
maybe the greatest run in history of college hoops:

Wed Mar 9    40   Georgetown   W, 79-62   67        Neutral    23-9    
Thu Mar 10    4   Pittsburgh   W, 76-74   59        Neutral    24-9    
Fri Mar 11    11   Syracuse   W, 76-71   74   OT    Neutral    25-9    
Sat Mar 12    14   Louisville   W, 69-66   65        Neutral    26-9    
Thu Mar 17    103   Bucknell   W, 81-52   61        Neutral    27-9    
Sat Mar 19    23   Cincinnati   W, 69-58   58        Neutral    28-9    
Thu Mar 24    8   San Diego St.   W, 74-67   65        Semi-Away    29-9    
Sat Mar 26    24   Arizona   W, 65-63   59        Neutral    30-9    
Sat Apr 2    6   Kentucky   W, 56-55   63        Neutral    31-9    
Mon Apr 4    41   Butler   W, 53-41   57        Neutral    32-9    

this amazing streak almost gets Kemba kPOY  http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/your_2011_kpoy_jared_sullinger/

Kemba wasn't even in the top 10 as of March 9th.  http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/the_kpoy_the_almost_final_countdown/