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Title: Guitar
Post by: stunted on March 30, 2011, 02:39:14 PM
Really rough ridin' hard.  I am finding it difficult to get the fingerings correct, have to be so precise.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 02:43:30 PM
It gets easier. Just keep practicing.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 30, 2011, 02:51:21 PM
The fingertip pain will be bad for a few weeks until the calluses are built up.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 02:59:48 PM
have you tried guitar hero?  probably the best tool I can think of to learn to play real guitar. 

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Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2011, 03:01:25 PM
It's really easy to learn chords to play along w/ songs and stuff. After that is when it gets rough ridin' hard.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: ew2x4 on March 30, 2011, 03:22:38 PM
What style of guitar are you wanting to learn?
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: stunted on March 30, 2011, 03:26:16 PM
Some day I will make a guitar, where every string and fret looks and feels like a guitar hero button.  There would be over 120 buttons, but it would be a lot easier and painless.  The color coding helps too.

Until then, I will struggle.  I thought it would be a lot easier than it is.

Learning on acoustic.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: _33 on March 30, 2011, 03:41:30 PM
What's really hard probably is singing and playing the guitar. Like, how can someone remember the words to a song and stuff and think about the chords at the same time? Amazing.
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Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 03:44:58 PM
What's really hard probably is singing and playing the guitar. Like, how can someone remember the words to a song and stuff and think about the chords at the same time? Amazing.


can you imagine it with a trumpet!?
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: ew2x4 on March 30, 2011, 03:59:56 PM
Some day I will make a guitar, where every string and fret looks and feels like a guitar hero button.  There would be over 120 buttons, but it would be a lot easier and painless.  The color coding helps too.

Until then, I will struggle.  I thought it would be a lot easier than it is.

Learning on acoustic.

You realize Rock Band 3 has this right?
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: stunted on March 30, 2011, 04:16:44 PM
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Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: j rake on March 30, 2011, 06:18:50 PM
Bought a guitar last year and vowed to get good enough to play live within two years.

Learned how to play (some of) oscar Springsteen's "Atlantic City," then quit soon after.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: felix rex on March 30, 2011, 08:41:39 PM
It's really easy to learn chords to play along w/ songs and stuff. After that is when it gets rough ridin' hard.

This. You can teach yourself to be average on a guitar in couple weeks. Is this about chicks? (who are we kidding, of course it is). In that case, you really only need to know like five chords.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 30, 2011, 09:29:57 PM
stunteds life song would be, on to the next one.

play poker, learn new language,gain weight, play asian pro bball, learn guitar.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: ew2x4 on March 30, 2011, 09:35:05 PM
It's really easy to learn chords to play along w/ songs and stuff. After that is when it gets rough ridin' hard.

This. You can teach yourself to be average on a guitar in couple weeks. Is this about chicks? (who are we kidding, of course it is). In that case, you really only need to know like five chords.

Knowing a few chords is not average. If you can't play the blues, you can't bag the chicks.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: pike on March 30, 2011, 09:42:15 PM
Start out with chords
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Post by: felix rex on March 30, 2011, 10:24:44 PM
It's really easy to learn chords to play along w/ songs and stuff. After that is when it gets rough ridin' hard.

This. You can teach yourself to be average on a guitar in couple weeks. Is this about chicks? (who are we kidding, of course it is). In that case, you really only need to know like five chords.

Knowing a few chords is not average. If you can't play the blues, you can't bag the chicks.

If you added up all dudes that play guitar and divided by total number of dudes, you would get 4.7 chords (maybe lower; sounds like this stunted guy is dragging our average down).
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: jdagg2003 on March 30, 2011, 10:35:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5QCs3PnQBc
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: asava on March 30, 2011, 10:40:56 PM
It gets easier. Just keep practicing.

Start out with chords

X2

learn the 7 basic open chords on standard tuning and just practice switching between them in random orders. once you can do that you should have enough finger strength to move on to bar chords etc...

a lot of people get discouraged though. sometimes it can be halpful to learn songs in order to accomplish short term goals and see near immediate improvement.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: stunted on March 31, 2011, 07:43:10 AM
stunteds life song would be, on to the next one.

play poker, learn new language,gain weight, play asian pro bball, learn guitar.

I live my life a quarter mile at a time.

This isn't about chicks.  I'm not that lame.  I'm very passionate about the guitar.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2011, 07:45:33 AM
This isn't about chicks.  I'm not that lame.  I'm very passionate about the guitar.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: PandaXpanda on March 31, 2011, 07:51:22 AM
learn the notes, learn to read music, learn the chords, learn a shitty song to make you feel like you've learned something, learn the 12 bar blues, learn to live with being famous.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: AppleJack on March 31, 2011, 08:39:34 AM
 :surprised:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSihWz7LlQ
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: EllToPay on March 31, 2011, 08:52:55 AM
:surprised:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSihWz7LlQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCT9xnlhldM
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: AppleJack on March 31, 2011, 09:02:02 AM
Can't top this solo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj7pDNDuoJ0

Probably the funniest thing I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: EllToPay on March 31, 2011, 09:07:15 AM
Can't top this solo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj7pDNDuoJ0

Probably the funniest thing I have ever seen.

relax, relax, relax....


lol
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2011, 09:11:59 AM
Can't top this solo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj7pDNDuoJ0

Probably the funniest thing I have ever seen.

That is awesome.

Reminded me of this for some reason:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: ew2x4 on March 31, 2011, 09:34:10 AM
Learn your chords. Learn your scales. Learn good finger exercises. Then learn simple songs to play along with.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: O-town Kat on March 31, 2011, 11:40:29 AM
Baptism by ramones
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: KSU187 on March 31, 2011, 11:42:24 AM
Learn the pentatonic scales, and have a buddy learn a few cords, then endless blues jam sessions can ensue. 

 :gocho:
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Benja on March 31, 2011, 02:35:55 PM
My experience with guitar in the five or six times I've been really rough ridin' serious about learning to be awesome at it,

Step one: Learn some chords, play some songs, feeling pretty good.

Step two: Learn some more complicated junk, tough but i'm getting better, still fun.

Step three: Everything I want to play has power chords, my hands won't play rough ridin' power chords, can't play any cool songs, guitar sucks, I quit.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: KSU_foo on March 31, 2011, 05:01:05 PM
Definitely learn the chords and how to read music first.  Maybe take some piano lessons, too.  Learning to play the bass first is always easy.  A good bass player is worth his (or her) weight in gold.

More importantly...what kind of guitar do you have?
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 31, 2011, 06:58:23 PM
Learning to play the bass first is always easy.

This is the route I took. Learned to play bass so I can play in a band, then using that knowledge, learned guitar so I can play on my own.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Tobias on April 01, 2011, 01:12:13 AM
Definitely learn the chords and how to read music first.  Maybe take some piano lessons, too.  Learning to play the bass first is always easy.  A good bass player is worth his (or her) weight in gold.

More importantly...what kind of guitar do you have?

learning music is for people who are wsu alums or want to show up on espn when everyone else grabs a beer from the fridge.  bass advice is pretty good though.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: pissclams on April 01, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
started a similar thread about me wanting to learn guitar.  got great advice.  then realized if i wanted to hear a guitar being played i could just download a song from a really good guitar player and realized what a dumbass i was.

boom, crock pot.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: stunted on April 17, 2011, 03:56:29 AM
How long does it take to learn a new song?  I haven't played much since the first post.  Learning Drive by Incubus, and I can find my way around the main part, but its been slow.  Also, I did not bother to learn chords, basics, etc.  Naturals don't need that crap.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: felix rex on April 17, 2011, 08:42:18 AM
How long does it take to learn a new song?  I haven't played much since the first post.  Learning Drive by Incubus, and I can find my way around the main part, but its been slow.  Also, I did not bother to learn chords, basics, etc.  Naturals don't need that crap.

As a natural, I'm guessing it won't take you long.
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Post by: asava on April 17, 2011, 09:10:36 AM
as a natural, i'm sure it will take you much longer.
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Post by: KITNfury on April 17, 2011, 11:54:56 AM
Practicing scales will help with your finger memory and timing (if you do them correctly). They are boring, but they help. There are plenty of other string skip exercises that help, but you're probably not ready for that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: stunted on June 16, 2011, 03:13:49 PM
So I took none of the advice in the thread, and have most of this song down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_xFh7XFC_w

Some people just "get it"...I guess I'm one of them. :dunno:
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: felix rex on June 16, 2011, 03:19:09 PM
So I took none of the advice in the thread, and have most of this song down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_xFh7XFC_w

Some people just "get it"...I guess I'm one of them. :dunno:

Nice. Can you imagine it with a trumpet!?
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: stunted on October 21, 2011, 06:10:15 AM
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How does this work?
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 21, 2011, 06:12:36 AM
Bottom string is the low E, second to bottom is A, Then D, G, B, E. Put your fingers on the fret that it says. So the first one you would play a note with your fingers on the second fret of the low E and A string.
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Post by: steve dave on October 21, 2011, 06:19:09 AM
Why aren't they in alphabetical order?
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: stunted on October 21, 2011, 06:22:14 AM
Bottom string is the low E, second to bottom is A, Then D, G, B, E. Put your fingers on the fret that it says. So the first one you would play a note with your fingers on the second fret of the low E and A string.

Works fine until the slur. :dunno:
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Post by: asava on October 21, 2011, 08:51:15 AM
Bottom string is the low E, second to bottom is A, Then D, G, B, E. Put your fingers on the fret that it says. So the first one you would play a note with your fingers on the second fret of the low E and A string.

Works fine until the slur. :dunno:

slur?
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: stunted on October 21, 2011, 09:22:05 AM
I'm not sure what the curved line is.  Remember, I'm a natural.  I just play, make up terms and crap.  I still don't know the string names and order :dunno:
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Post by: asava on October 21, 2011, 09:44:34 AM
I'm not sure what the curved line is.  Remember, I'm a natural.  I just play, make up terms and crap.  I still don't know the string names and order :dunno:

i don't know what the curved line is either because its going from one string to the next, sometimes to an open string. I just assume that the curved line is off though and its asking for a hammer-on or pull-off to whatever note is on the same string.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: mocat on October 21, 2011, 09:58:39 AM
the curved lines are weird there.

but yeah, wtf is a slur?
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: stunted on October 21, 2011, 01:41:54 PM
Slur in sheet music is a curved line, smooth transition between notes.
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Post by: pike on October 21, 2011, 01:56:29 PM
I think it's what's called a "hammer on" where you play the 2 note then hammer on the 4 without additional pick.

It also may be finger picking like what you do with acoustic guitar, which I am completely unfamiliar with. But my guess would be what I said above only plucking the open G and E strings while hammering the 4 after plucking the 2. This requires ridiculous skill since you have to pluck with different fingers at the same time. My Dad is the rough ridin' master of it.

But I could be completely wrong.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: mocat on October 21, 2011, 02:39:47 PM
no i know what a hammer on is. You cannot hammer on from open high E to open high E
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Post by: pike on October 21, 2011, 02:44:27 PM
I'm saying the 2 - 4 is a hammer on while you still play the open strings. Not really sure how to do it since I can't finger pick and still not sure if I even know what i'm talking about
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: mocat on October 21, 2011, 02:48:27 PM
it would look like this. and if you have more than one finger you can pluck more than one string at a time


---0---
-2h4--
---0---
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: asava on October 21, 2011, 02:50:23 PM
I'm saying the 2 - 4 is a hammer on while you still play the open strings. Not really sure how to do it since I can't finger pick and still not sure if I even know what i'm talking about

don't know what finger picking would have to do with it. if you were plucking the g and e for example, it would make no difference if you plucked the root note of the hammer-on or pull-off or not. can't see much advantage to doing that unless you are doing some tapping or a run.

you also can't hammer on from the 4th fret played on the B to an open on the high E. that was my point before. i think whoever made that tab just fudged it and it should just be a hammer-on or pull-off to the next fret on the same string.

Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: stunted on October 21, 2011, 10:30:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNPCI8y9avc

Tab example starts when he hammers on the 22 at :50.  I looked at it a for a while, still can't figure out, and it happens a decent amount in the song.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 22, 2011, 01:10:05 AM
Those are hammer ons, not "slurs".
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Post by: schreds21 on October 22, 2011, 07:24:15 AM
I have no idea what any of you are rough ridin' talking about.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: asava on October 23, 2011, 01:09:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNPCI8y9avc

Tab example starts when he hammers on the 22 at :50.  I looked at it a for a while, still can't figure out, and it happens a decent amount in the song.

:50 doesn't show anything near the 22nd fret? is that what you were trying to say. you're making it difficult to help you out here.
Title: Re: Guitar
Post by: stunted on October 23, 2011, 02:19:06 AM
Oh.  In the tab, the first chord is a 22 on the bottom two strings.  I got it figured out though.  Play the 020 chord then shift it to the 040.  Same with the others.  Though I thought it would be written differently if they wanted it like that.  Cool song, looking forward to all the poon I'll get from it.