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Title: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 11:20:11 AM
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BreakingNews Breaking News
Google says it will make Kansas City, Kan., first site of its ultra-fast broadband network http://bit.ly/hfsojE

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Internet access more than 100 times faster than what most Americans have today.

Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 11:25:07 AM
Sorry Saul.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 30, 2011, 11:29:21 AM
OMG, I bet Topeka is pissed.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Pete on March 30, 2011, 11:32:34 AM
This is MASSIVE for KC.  Just huge.

Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: wetwillie on March 30, 2011, 11:34:30 AM
OMG, I bet Topeka is pissed.

After they whored out their name to Google and all, this one has to really hit them where it counts.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Pete on March 30, 2011, 11:49:47 AM
Just for frame of reference, a "T1" line will get you speeds of 1.5 MEGAbits per second...these are for business use.

Google is going to provide 1 GIGAbit per second...that's 100 times faster than a "T1" line...to people's rough ridin' homes.


Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: The1BigWillie on March 30, 2011, 11:54:10 AM
What sort of impact would this have on Call of Duty?
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Saulbadguy on March 30, 2011, 11:54:42 AM
Heh.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 30, 2011, 11:56:48 AM
Just for frame of reference, a "T1" line will get you speeds of 1.5 MEGAbits per second...these are for business use.

Google is going to provide 1 GIGAbit per second...that's 100 times faster than a "T1" line...to people's rough ridin' homes.



Glad people have devices that will be able to use all of that.l
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: hemmy on March 30, 2011, 11:58:20 AM
Just for frame of reference, a "T1" line will get you speeds of 1.5 MEGAbits per second...these are for business use.

Google is going to provide 1 GIGAbit per second...that's 100 times faster than a "T1" line...to people's rough ridin' homes.




Not really comparable. A T3, which gets you "only" 45Mb/s is thousands of dollars a month, but you are paying for more than just the bandwidth.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 12:00:03 PM
1 GIGAbit per second

with kc being the only place that has it will it even be noticable or functional? I mean, if only one side of a bittorrent exchange has it there will be no difference, right?  I'm really high computer and IT IQ but someone can go ahead and explain the implications for everyone else if they want.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Pete on March 30, 2011, 12:01:33 PM
Just for frame of reference, a "T1" line will get you speeds of 1.5 MEGAbits per second...these are for business use.

Google is going to provide 1 GIGAbit per second...that's 100 times faster than a "T1" line...to people's effing homes.



Glad people have devices that will be able to use all of that.l

School districts do.  They'd be able to stream you a HC (hell, 3D) live feed of what was happening in your class room and you could watch from your couch.  They could do that for every single classroom in their district simultaneously.  OR, let you download any lecture ever given in any class at your highschool (once they get them recorded) at any time, instantly, across thousands of homes simultaneously.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Saulbadguy on March 30, 2011, 12:02:46 PM
1 GIGAbit per second

with kc being the only place that has it will it even be noticable or functional? I mean, if only one side of a bittorrent exchange has it there will be no difference, right?  I'm really high computer and IT IQ but someone can go ahead and explain the implications for everyone else if they want.
Basically correct.  Think of it as a pipe, if one end of the pipe is small, the large end of the pipe won't see a difference in throughput.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Pete on March 30, 2011, 12:03:24 PM
1 GIGAbit per second

with kc being the only place that has it will it even be noticable or functional? I mean, if only one side of a bittorrent exchange has it there will be no difference, right?  I'm really high computer and IT IQ but someone can go ahead and explain the implications for everyone else if they want.

For those interacting with each other within the area (both ends have the 1Gig connection) it will be amazing.  Business to Business in the area will be stunning.  The schools, utilities, cops, fire, KU Med, they will all be able to interact instantaneously.

Biggest winner are the schools.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Saulbadguy on March 30, 2011, 12:05:02 PM
Just for frame of reference, a "T1" line will get you speeds of 1.5 MEGAbits per second...these are for business use.

Google is going to provide 1 GIGAbit per second...that's 100 times faster than a "T1" line...to people's rough ridin' homes.



T1's are antiquated and slow, but they are still expensive because many areas that use them don't have any other option.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Pete on March 30, 2011, 12:07:33 PM
No more snow days....just have every single student online from home in a group video conference with their teacher.

Only obstacle is the cost for families that can't afford the service or a PC.  The bandwidth could handle it.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 12:08:35 PM
No more snow days....just have every single student online from home in a group video conference with their teacher.

Only obstacle is the cost for families that can't afford the service or a PC.  The bandwidth could handle it.

pretty sure the bandwith could already handle it
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Saulbadguy on March 30, 2011, 12:08:49 PM
No more snow days....just have every single student online from home in a group video conference with their teacher.

Only obstacle is the cost for families that can't afford the service or a PC.  The bandwidth could handle it.
That's where the Google chrome Laptop comes in. :fatty:
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Saulbadguy on March 30, 2011, 12:09:23 PM
Guys,

good news.  Since this will happen in such close proximity to us, i'm going to download it to our server.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 12:09:47 PM
No more snow days....just have every single student online from home in a group video conference with their teacher.

Only obstacle is the cost for families that can't afford the service or a PC.  The bandwidth could handle it.

Google is coming to town, not Santa.

Would be interesting to see how many homes in KCK don't have computers.

Heard a related radio bit on this(not KCK specific) but it was talking about how smart phones are mostly responsible for bringing the internet to the poor.  It was a bit on social networking and the use of it with regards to race.  Said that many poor can't afford computers, but have the phones.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 12:10:04 PM
Guys,

good news.  Since this will happen in such close proximity to us, i'm going to download it to our server.

great idea saul
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 12:12:33 PM
Someone with high GoogleIQ explain why KCK was chosen.

tia.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 12:14:35 PM
Someone with high GoogleIQ explain why KCK was chosen.

tia.

KCK is a hole.  Maybe it was due to cheap easements/land use for fiber installation?
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: steve dave on March 30, 2011, 12:15:26 PM
Someone with high GoogleIQ explain why KCK was chosen.

tia.

jones pool
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: _33 on March 30, 2011, 12:21:21 PM
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n a blog post, the search giant thanked all the various communities for their interest, but said it chose Kansas City after "a careful review." Google said that it was looking for a city where it could "build efficiently, make an impact on the community and develop relationships with local government and community organizations."

Kansas City has a relatively small population of about 150,000, which may have influenced Google's decision.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 30, 2011, 12:25:05 PM
nerds
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Saulbadguy on March 30, 2011, 12:25:21 PM
Perhaps they didn't want to give the Westboro Baptist Church nearly unlimited bandwidth.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: SwiftCat on March 30, 2011, 12:26:39 PM
OMG, I bet Topeka is pissed.

After they whored out their name to Google and all, this one has to really hit them where it counts.

This can't be stated enough.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: CNS on March 30, 2011, 12:29:03 PM
I thought I heard that this was going to be chosen from the candidate pool by means of lottery?
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 30, 2011, 12:50:44 PM
Is this strictly KCK or surrounding areas (Johnson County namely).

Dunno why they wouldn't but it in Johnson County with all the business HQs located there.


Also, Topeka is to Google what Mizzou is to the Big 10.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 01:24:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o7bKLG3A3w&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 30, 2011, 01:39:53 PM
You're living in a land of delusion if you think they're going to sell you a 1 Gig Internet Pipe for $49.95 a month.

Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Saulbadguy on March 30, 2011, 01:43:35 PM
You're living in a land of delusion if you think they're going to sell you a 1 Gig Internet Pipe for $49.95 a month.


What if they data mined the eff out of it and sold all the activity to advertisers?
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 30, 2011, 01:46:31 PM
What kind of sales people work for AT&T and the Cable Companies in KCK?  All my schools have at least 100Mbps Ethernet Service rolling into 1 Gig and 10 Gig host locations, with 100Mbps to 250Mbps Internet Ports.    I look at utilization reports and show them to IT folks who think they're just blowing it out, and then they realize that even with 1000's of kids online and all kinds of online learning they're maybe at 50% utilization tops at most school locations, and maybe hitting 80% utilization on the Direct Internet Access Ports at Peak times.

Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: EllToPay on March 30, 2011, 01:48:48 PM
What kind of sales people work for AT&T and the Cable Companies in KCK?  All my schools have at least 100Mbps Ethernet Service rolling into 1 Gig and 10 Gig host locations, with 100Mbps to 250Mbps Internet Ports.    I look at utilization reports and show them to IT folks who think they're just blowing it out, and then they realize that even with 1000's of kids online and all kinds of online learning they're maybe at 50% utilization tops at most school locations, and maybe hitting 80% utilization on the Direct Internet Access Ports at Peak times.



:dnr:
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 30, 2011, 01:54:01 PM
You're living in a land of delusion if you think they're going to sell you a 1 Gig Internet Pipe for $49.95 a month.


What if they data mined the eff out of it and sold all the activity to advertisers?

If you were smart, you'd hate Google. 
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Pete on March 30, 2011, 01:55:58 PM
What kind of sales people work for AT&T and the Cable Companies in KCK?  All my schools have at least 100Mbps Ethernet Service rolling into 1 Gig and 10 Gig host locations, with 100Mbps to 250Mbps Internet Ports.    I look at utilization reports and show them to IT folks who think they're just blowing it out, and then they realize that even with 1000's of kids online and all kinds of online learning they're maybe at 50% utilization tops at most school locations, and maybe hitting 80% utilization on the Direct Internet Access Ports at Peak times.



I agree in circumstances where the schools are interacting with the outside world.  However, if an entire district, or districts were connected together with 1gig connections then you have the frame work to do "new" things.  You essentially have your own little "Internet 2" for your group of schools.  http://www.internet2.edu/about/

It will take time for the benefits to be realized, but I suspect some cool cac will happen.

Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 30, 2011, 02:00:37 PM
Pete these networks I am discussing are connecting all the schools (Metro Ethernet), its only when it gets to the host locations that it either connects the user to internal servers/applications/VoIP or gets handed off to the outside.

 

Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: _33 on March 30, 2011, 02:03:52 PM
No more snow days....just have every single student online from home in a group video conference with their teacher.

Only obstacle is the cost for families that can't afford the service or a PC.  The bandwidth could handle it.

And the teacher will be a robot.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 30, 2011, 09:56:01 PM
This is great for the industry I work in.

Think of it this way....we would not have Skype and the likes without the transition from Dial-Up to high speed cable or DSL.  This will allow users to Skype in high definition without bandwidth issues, lag etc. 

Not sure how many of you use Teleconferencing (VTC).  There are software applications that allow the user to dial in on a bridge (take Tandberg (now part of Cisco) for example).  They offer a desktop software that allows the user to dial in on a bridge or far-end Codec.  The bridge allows for multiple users to interact in one conference call from different locations (for the non-IT people out there).  This type of bandwidth from home will allow desktop users with the software to experience high quality, uninterrupted video conferencing.  This is huge in higher education for distant learning, or businesses with salespeople always on the road.  I see this fiber broadband having a major impact on telemedicine. 

Also, we will have the ability to download a HD movie in under 5 minutes.

As far as why KCK was chosen...  I've heard infrastructure, population, influence of JoCo business spenders (on the news Google called this "easy people to work with"), and I-70 corridor. 
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 31, 2011, 09:15:56 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/03/30/google.kansas.city.broadband/index.html?hpt=C2
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Saulbadguy on March 31, 2011, 09:16:40 AM
This is great for the industry I work in.

Think of it this way....we would not have Skype and the likes without the transition from Dial-Up to high speed cable or DSL.  This will allow users to Skype in high definition without bandwidth issues, lag etc. 

Not sure how many of you use Teleconferencing (VTC).  There are software applications that allow the user to dial in on a bridge (take Tandberg (now part of Cisco) for example).  They offer a desktop software that allows the user to dial in on a bridge or far-end Codec.  The bridge allows for multiple users to interact in one conference call from different locations (for the non-IT people out there).  This type of bandwidth from home will allow desktop users with the software to experience high quality, uninterrupted video conferencing.  This is huge in higher education for distant learning, or businesses with salespeople always on the road.  I see this fiber broadband having a major impact on telemedicine. 

Also, we will have the ability to download a HD movie in under 5 minutes.

As far as why KCK was chosen...  I've heard infrastructure, population, influence of JoCo business spenders (on the news Google called this "easy people to work with"), and I-70 corridor. 
Polycom. :fatty:

Microsoft Lync :fatty:
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 31, 2011, 09:20:00 AM
This is great for the industry I work in.

Think of it this way....we would not have Skype and the likes without the transition from Dial-Up to high speed cable or DSL.  This will allow users to Skype in high definition without bandwidth issues, lag etc. 

Not sure how many of you use Teleconferencing (VTC).  There are software applications that allow the user to dial in on a bridge (take Tandberg (now part of Cisco) for example).  They offer a desktop software that allows the user to dial in on a bridge or far-end Codec.  The bridge allows for multiple users to interact in one conference call from different locations (for the non-IT people out there).  This type of bandwidth from home will allow desktop users with the software to experience high quality, uninterrupted video conferencing.  This is huge in higher education for distant learning, or businesses with salespeople always on the road.  I see this fiber broadband having a major impact on telemedicine. 

Also, we will have the ability to download a HD movie in under 5 minutes.

As far as why KCK was chosen...  I've heard infrastructure, population, influence of JoCo business spenders (on the news Google called this "easy people to work with"), and I-70 corridor. 
Polycom. :fatty:

Microsoft Lync :fatty:

Enjoy Polycom products every day.   ;)
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: _33 on March 31, 2011, 09:25:07 AM
I read that Google is already working on Google Super Duper fast, which will be 1000 times faster.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: AbeFroman on March 31, 2011, 09:34:51 AM
My friend lives in KCK  :driving:
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2011, 09:40:53 AM
My friend lives in KCK  :driving:


I ALSO HAVE A FRIEND THAT LIVES THERE! :surprised:
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: 0.42 on March 31, 2011, 09:52:28 AM
My friend lives in KCK  :driving:


I ALSO HAVE A FRIEND THAT LIVES THERE! :surprised:

I have no friends in Wyandotte
 :cry:
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: Saulbadguy on March 31, 2011, 11:06:56 AM
Ultra fast internet at the T-Rex Cafe?  :bracketmouse:
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: AbeFroman on March 31, 2011, 11:39:19 AM
Ultra fast internet at the T-Rex Cafe?  :bracketmouse:

and at JJJJYAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZ

rip Grixs  :frown:
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: pissclams on April 01, 2011, 10:43:35 AM
two big reasons why google picked kck:
1) unified government of kck/wyco makes clearing regulatory issues much easier
2) they don't lay their cable/phone/electric, they hang it all, making it much cheaper to implement

boom, bandwithed.
Title: Re: Google ultra fast in KCK
Post by: pissclams on April 01, 2011, 10:44:33 AM
Pete these networks I am discussing are connecting all the schools (Metro Ethernet), its only when it gets to the host locations that it either connects the user to internal servers/applications/VoIP or gets handed off to the outside.

 



you live in north carolina.  brutal
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/30/big-cable-backed-broadband-bill-soars-through-nc-house-one-step

boom, pot roast.