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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: TrayCat33 on March 24, 2011, 11:17:32 AM
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Thoughts on next season? We are obviously losing two great players in Jake and Curt. However, I think next season's team has the potential to slowly get better as the season goes on. Just going to throw some thoughts out there. I really think Rodney did not show his complete game. I think he played to a role. He passed up a ton of shots this season and when he decided that he wanted to drive off the dribble and pull up or go to the rim, he had some success. I think Rod can be a 14 to 15 points a game guy next season. Almost got the feeling that throughout the season he knew it was Jake's show. Jamar obviously did not get to play a true post up spot with the new offense. As I was watching the Wisconsin game, when Jamar posted up he backed his way to the basket and scored the ball well when he got that opportunity. Granted he is a foul machine, but really played out of position for him. Will "Wonder Bread" Spradling's off season will be huge. He will need to lift his game from this year's 6.3 to 8 or 9 points a game. Needs to develop the ability to create off the dribble and in transition. JO's development continued to amaze me as the season progressed. As far as the rest of the supporting cast goes, there are nice compliments to what we have. We will be pleasantly surprised with Angel. The guy has the "it" factor and from what I have been told from someone (take it for what's it's worth) Angel will have a bigger impact than will did this season. The two wildcards for next season will be Devo and Omari. I have seen Omari scrimmage this year in person (granted it was at Cloud) but the guy has a ton of potential and is long and athletic. Might start out slow next season but can see us as a 22-10 team that comes on strong and grows as season progresses. Just some thoughts. :kstatriot:
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I'm just worried about your f/c type players. I'm fairly comfortable with our guards.
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:DNR:
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I will consider it a monumental success if we make the tournament. Meh if we go NIT. Failure if no NIT.
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From this point out I will be at very least somewhat disappointed if we don't make the tourney.
I realize that this is pretty unreasonable, but that is how I roll on this issue.
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Another thought: Pitino wanted Angel. Pitino's pg this year was Peyton Siva (would take). Angel would have been the pg for Louisville. I take a little stock in that.
Purdue wanted Diaz. Diaz is 6-10 6-11ish and can play outside as well as inside. I am not going to call him the next JuJuan Johnson but I am guessing Painter was looking for someone who could fit the same mold.
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if you don't expect every player to be better than you expect, you might want to find a mirror. the point is, you'll see a squawk in that mirror, because you're a goddamn squawk.
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Let's not forget that Angel hasn't signed crap yet. He could still go to Louisville or NC State.
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Interesting topic! Have we thought about the impact newcomers might have? Thanks, I'll listen off the air.
:bwpopcorn:
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Let's not forget that Angel hasn't signed cac yet. He could still go to Louisville or NC State.
"Everything is good with Angel," his AAU coach and friend Art Alvarez said. "He is still solid with his choice to come play for K-State. He's looking forward to it and the chance to play for Frank. He'll be signing in April with them."
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Good comeback bro. That squawk comment was original. :facepalm:
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Will Nino make an impact? I here he's Dom Sutton meets Rodney McGruder. Thoughts?
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What about Wally? :users:
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will be ecstatic if we make the tournament
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What about Potz? Look for this kid to have a big bounce. I see him as a young Cole Aldrich.
Thoughts?
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Nicknames for Freshmen next year:
Nino Williams - Domney Sutgruder
Thomas Gipson - Davmar Samskins
Adrian Diaz - Jordson Bennriquez-Herrera
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Let's talk expectations. Will 9-9 get it done for you? I think we should all be happy if we're on the NCAA bubble.
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Nicknames for Freshmen next year:
Nino Williams - Domney Sutgruder
Thomas Gipson - Davmar Samskins
Adrian Diaz - Jordson Bennriquez-Herrera
:love:
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What about Potz? Look for this kid to have a big bounce. I see him as a young Cole Aldrich.
Thoughts?
Does he have any dead teeth? :peek:
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KU--1-1 (losing 4 starters assuming Twins make the jump. I'm also banking on Selby leaving because he's smart enough to understand what Self did to him. Robinson is a stud though.)
MU--2-0 (new coach + Phill Pressy will likely be gone)
ISU--1-1 (Wouldn't be surprised if they sweep, but also wouldn't be surprised if we sweep. )
TX--1-1 (can't keep beating them ALL the time can we?)
Tech--2-0 (Billy Clyde will need a little time to get things organized assuming he'll be sober)
aTm--1-1 (shazbot! these lucky ass losers. I hate aTm almost as much as MU and KU. )
BU--2-0 (Losing Dunn might actually be a blessing in disguise and they could be better.)
OSU-- 1-1 (could very will be a top 4 team in the Big Twen)
OU 2-0 (new coach, bad team)
We got this fellas. NCAA's here we come! 13-5 Big Twen.
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=7354196
:surprised:
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=7354196
:surprised:
:ohno:
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Nicknames for Freshmen next year:
Nino Williams - Domney Sutgruder
Thomas Gipson - Davmar Samskins
Adrian Diaz - Jordson Bennriquez-Herrera
Nothing compares to Afolonett.
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=7354196
:surprised:
And so it begins.... :runaway: (ftp://:runaway:)
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Nicknames for Freshmen next year:
Nino Williams - Domney Sutgruder
Thomas Gipson - Davmar Samskins
Adrian Diaz - Jordson Bennriquez-Herrera
Nothing compares to Afolonett.
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Knew I spelled it wrong. Afelonnett.
Edit: First time that word has been posted on this board!
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You can judge me when it happens and make fun of my source. I do have someone close to the program and really close to omari. The two that are leaving are Russell and Myles. Take it for what's it's worth and roast me till it happens. Nick doesn't fit with Frank. It was a constant battle all year. Tons of potential but basketball iq is low. Myles will have two years to play somewhere else. Would love to see Nick around for the future because the upside is big but he is going to be long gone. Omari and Jeremy Jones > Russell and Myles. What a great bunch of comparisons and name hybrids. I suppose I deserve that but can't help comparing players to others when watching. Habit.
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You can judge me when it happens and make fun of my source. I do have someone close to the program and really close to omari. The two that are leaving are Russell and Myles. Take it for what's it's worth and roast me till it happens. Nick doesn't fit with Frank. It was a constant battle all year. Tons of potential but basketball iq is low. Myles will have two years to play somewhere else. Would love to see Nick around for the future because the upside is big but he is going to be long gone. Omari and Jeremy Jones > Russell and Myles. What a great bunch of comparisons and name hybrids. I suppose I deserve that but can't help comparing players to others when watching. Habit.
Way to take a leap and say that the 2 players leaving are the 2 players that everyone on this board have been talking about leaving since before the season started. :dubious:
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Not guessing. Just repeating what I heard yesterday. That post on scout about McGruder is absolutely idiotic. Just posting what I heard. Like I said, until it happens its just another guy saying something from a "source".
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Let's talk expectations. Will 9-9 get it done for you? I think we should all be happy if we're on the NCAA bubble.
:bracketmouse:
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russell + myles would be six open ships. ar-t, diaz, gipson, omoney + jones = five.
myles has already used a rs year, so unless he transfers d2, he'd lose a year of eligibility if he leaves. why it was mumped up to recruit him, imo.
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A new player will be popping up on the recruiting radar soon...
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A new player will be popping up on the recruiting radar soon...
Good news coming type of situation or no?
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Not guessing. Just repeating what I heard yesterday. That post on scout about McGruder is absolutely idiotic. Just posting what I heard. Like I said, until it happens its just another guy saying something from a "source".
I'm going to guess you are correct... i mean really, has anyone ever heard of a guy starting every game and averaging 30 + minutes a game transfering to another school :dunno:
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russell + myles would be six open ships. ar-t, diaz, gipson, omoney + jones = five.
myles has already used a rs year, so unless he transfers d2, he'd lose a year of eligibility if he leaves. why it was mumped up to recruit him, imo.
As far as numbers, Wally could make 6 :dunno:
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:dubious:
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A new player will be popping up on the recruiting radar soon...
Need more than this, bro.
At least a description and a :thumbsup: or :frown:
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A new player will be popping up on the recruiting radar soon...
Need more than this, bro.
At least a description and a :thumbsup: or :frown:
even if he was a ** he would be a diamond in the rough :powerespect:
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Two things:
1. Wally and Frank decide to give it another shot
2. Transfer ends up at our doorstep
Both paths are being traveled down by the staff.
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Whens the sched. for next season set to come out? :fistpump:
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Let's talk expectations. Will 9-9 get it done for you? I think we should all be happy if we're on the NCAA bubble.
We can talk realistic expectations all off-season, but the reality is that nobody is ever happy with a bubble season when you miss the tournament. A bubble year would be meh, a tournament year would be :emawkid:. There really isn't any in-between happy feeling.
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Just being happy to make the tournament? Wow, you guys are really reaching for the stars. If Judge comes back and KU and Texas lose a lot I think ksu will be in the mix.
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Just being happy to make the tournament? Wow, you guys are really reaching for the stars. If Judge comes back and KU and Texas lose a lot I think ksu will be in the mix.
Heard earlier this week that Selby is coming back. any thing on your end to support/discredit?
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Just being happy to make the tournament? Wow, you guys are really reaching for the stars. If Judge comes back and KU and Texas lose a lot I think ksu will be in the mix.
what a douche bag
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TrayCat33 is not only my favorite poster, he/she is also the best poster on goEMAW.com.
Thank you, TrayCat33.
I will miss Nick, a lot.
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Two things:
1. Wally and Frank decide to give it another shot
2. Transfer ends up at our doorstep
Both paths are being traveled down by the staff.
!!! !!!
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The longer this goes for Wally and KSU the better. I have heard as time goes on Wally is struggling with leaving his teammates behind. Dude is definitely one of those guys you love to have get off the bus first. Would love to hear him say that he is all in and ready to committ himself to becoming the player everyone knows he can become. All that team chemistry argument about him is bs. His teammates love him and would welcome him back with open arms. I am not buying the Maryland rumors. Their roster is loaded with Frosh and Soph big men.
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The longer this goes for Wally and KSU the better. I have heard as time goes on Wally is struggling with leaving his teammates behind. Dude is definitely one of those guys you love to have get off the bus first. Would love to hear him say that he is all in and ready to committ himself to becoming the player everyone knows he can become. All that team chemistry argument about him is bs. His teammates love him and would welcome him back with open arms. I am not buying the Maryland rumors. Their roster is loaded with Frosh and Soph big men.
WHO IS THE TRANSFER?????????????
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Just being happy to make the tournament? Wow, you guys are really reaching for the stars. If Judge comes back and KU and Texas lose a lot I think ksu will be in the mix.
Heard earlier this week that Selby is coming back. any thing on your end to support/discredit?
I will believe that about Selby when I see him in uniform at Late Night. Should he come back? Yes, but who knows. Selby would be a huge keep for KU, but we are pretty heavy at the guard spot, if we lose the twins and dont bring in a big man, we will be very thin down low. Trob and Withey and the walk on Wesley are the only big men left.
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The longer this goes for Wally and KSU the better. I have heard as time goes on Wally is struggling with leaving his teammates behind. Dude is definitely one of those guys you love to have get off the bus first. Would love to hear him say that he is all in and ready to committ himself to becoming the player everyone knows he can become. All that team chemistry argument about him is bs. His teammates love him and would welcome him back with open arms. I am not buying the Maryland rumors. Their roster is loaded with Frosh and Soph big men.
I only want him back if he walks on.
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the ku grads I went to vegas with this weekend all hope selby leaves. they hate the crap out of him.
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Selby on next year: "I'm not thinking about next year, I'm just worried about right now."
he's gone...
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Just being happy to make the tournament? Wow, you guys are really reaching for the stars. If Judge comes back and KU and Texas lose a lot I think ksu will be in the mix.
Heard earlier this week that Selby is coming back. any thing on your end to support/discredit?
I will believe that about Selby when I see him in uniform at Late Night. Should he come back? Yes, but who knows. Selby would be a huge keep for KU, but we are pretty heavy at the guard spot, if we lose the twins and dont bring in a big man, we will be very thin down low. Trob and Withey and the walk on Wesley are the only big men left.
Stan Simpson(SP)
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judge v. jones = judge
judge v. russell = russell
judge v. transfer = need a name
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judge v. jones = judge
judge v. russell = russell :surprised:
judge v. transfer = need a name
I just don't know.
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I don't dislike Selby at all, I feel like he never really got going this year after missing the first 9 games and now being hurt. I hope he stays because I think he will be much improved next year.
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I'm going to guess you are correct... i mean really, has anyone ever heard of a guy starting every game and averaging 30 + minutes a game transfering to another school
Pete, Williams. Further back, Curtis Redding.
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Selby needs to stay. For our sake, I hope he goes, but he needs to develop.
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judge v. jones = judge
judge v. russell = russell
judge v. transfer = need a name
If we can't get somebody better than Judge in the 2011 class, I would rather take my chances on picking up an extra 2012 recruit and just give Judge's scholarship to Devon Peterson next year.
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I think with Spradling and Mcgruder at the 1 and 2 you guys will be fine. Sometimes on a team that counts on 1 guy so much other good offensive players don't play to their ability. I think Rodney will be much improved next year and if you can get more consistant offense out of Samuels you will be a tough team.
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If we can't get somebody better than Judge in the 2011 class, I would rather take my chances on picking up an extra 2012 recruit and just give Judge's scholarship to Devon Peterson next year.
yeah, me too.
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If we can't get somebody better than Judge in the 2011 class, I would rather take my chances on picking up an extra 2012 recruit and just give Judge's scholarship to Devon Peterson next year.
yeah, me too.
with our inability to run transition I am terrified of playing small all year
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If we can't get somebody better than Judge in the 2011 class, I would rather take my chances on picking up an extra 2012 recruit and just give Judge's scholarship to Devon Peterson next year.
yeah, me too.
with our inability to run transition I am terrified of playing small all year
This is where I am at too. Feel like we need another non-vic/potz option for the post.
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four bigs is plenty. hell, three would be fine. depth is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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2011-2012: The Slightly Above Average team Jim Wooldridge always dreamed of.
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judge v. jones = judge
judge v. russell = russell
judge v. transfer = need a name
jones v. russell? i'm not sure how I'll handle russell being gone. i mean, i don't get frank. he'll take wally back but can't somehow get it right with nick? christ, nick stuck around. wally quit.
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Wally's scholarship is Wally's.
Unless someone cooler is available.
(Possible?)
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i'm ready to move on from wally to the next head case.
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2011-2012: The Slightly Above Average team Jim Wooldridge always dreamed of.
the team, if Jimmy had, wouldn't get him fired.
:driving:
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2011-2012: The Slightly Above Average team Jim Wooldridge always dreamed of.
Woolridge would have had a decent shot at the NIT with these guys.
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judge v. jones = judge
judge v. russell = russell
judge v. transfer = need a name
jones v. russell? i'm not sure how I'll handle russell being gone. i mean, i don't get frank. he'll take wally back but can't somehow get it right with nick? christ, nick stuck around. wally quit.
EDIT: what about Olu Ashaolu vs. Judge?
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Olu!
Winner winner chicken dinner. Someone already posted this a couple days ago and speculated. There is more than speculation. Was a 14 and 10 guy. Big body. Coach was fired and the word is he was granted his release. All I will say is he is on our radar and could end up on our doorstep soon. Like I said, there our two options on the table.
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the ku grads I went to vegas with this weekend all hope selby leaves. they hate the crap out of him.
probably just said that because they thought you'd want to hear that, after paying for their trip and all.
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the ku grads I went to vegas with this weekend all hope selby leaves. they hate the crap out of him.
And just 2 months ago they were on the "Free Selby" bandwagon.
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the ku grads I went to vegas with this weekend all hope selby leaves. they hate the crap out of him.
And just 2 months ago they were on the "Free Selby" bandwagon.
"Selby Clause is coming to town."
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i approve of ashaolu over russell. would be recruiting that makes sense.
interested in how ashaolu works when simultaneously kicking myles out into the cold hard world with a year of burnt eligibility.
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Two things:
1. Wally and Frank decide to give it another shot
2. Transfer ends up at our doorstep
Both paths are being traveled down by the staff.
eff off bad person
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Olu!
Winner winner chicken dinner. Someone already posted this a couple days ago and speculated. There is more than speculation. Was a 14 and 10 guy. Big body. Coach was fired and the word is he was granted his release. All I will say is he is on our radar and could end up on our doorstep soon. Like I said, there our two options on the table.
So... I am very curious of your sources. Sys was the one who mentioned this Olu character a few days ago...
Also, who is the tard who mentioned Mcgroober transferring? I love McOrebs and will kill the bastard that thought this up...
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So did Olu sit out this year and is eligible next year?
as for Judge, he quit on the team once, rumored to be twice, so if Frank lets him back he better be on the shortest effin leash of all team. I'm talking even if he looks at frank funny he should rip his jersey off and tell him to get the eff out... would make a great sportscenter highlight.
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You are right, I should just throw the name of my source out there for everyone. Wouldn't be my source anymore. I guess time will tell...
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+1 for the optimism in here. Your season next year will be interesting to watch.
Also--I don't know what kind of 'fans' you went to Vegas with, but almost everyone I know still loves Selby. He was suspended for a 3rd of the season, injured another part. By the time he was healthy, he had already lost his rhythm and any chance that he'd be a leader of the team. I hope he comes back and plays well next year. He deserves it. If he leaves, so be it. No hard feelings and have a great NBA career. I'll always be rooting for Josh.
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+1 for the optimism in here. Your season next year will be interesting to watch.
Also--I don't know what kind of 'fans' you went to Vegas with, but almost everyone I know still loves Selby. He was suspended for a 3rd of the season, injured another part. By the time he was healthy, he had already lost his rhythm and any chance that he'd be a leader of the team. I hope he comes back and plays well next year. He deserves it. If he leaves, so be it. No hard feelings and have a great NBA career. I'll always be rooting for Josh.
I had a little back and forth with some ku guys on twitter a couple weeks ago about Josh. Several of them continually called him Shelby. I assume these are the kind of fans that took the vegas trip. :dunno:
So easy being a KU fan.
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Those fans sound like idiots. Anyone who would throw a player under the bus like that is no friend of mine.
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Those fans sound like idiots. Anyone who would throw a player under the bus like that is no friend of mine.
Totally. Real aholez. I knew lots who called Tyshawn "Turnover Taylor"
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Those fans sound like idiots. Anyone who would throw a player under the bus like that is no friend of mine.
That is what was funny. They were defending him and professing how big of a fan they are, all the while calling him "Shelby".
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Met with a lawyer this morning wearing his casual friday ku sweater vest. Hates Selby.
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I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.
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I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.
:lol:
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I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.
:lol:
:lol:
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I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.
Boggles me how they don't get it yet. How long have they been working this formula?
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I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.
:lol:
It's not an uncommon sentiment. Several of my own KU friends just tolerate those two.
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I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.
:lol:
It's not an uncommon sentiment. Several of my own KU friends just tolerate those two.
Just tolerating that is just tolerating KU BB as a whole.
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I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.
:lol:
It's not an uncommon sentiment. Several of my own KU friends just tolerate those two.
Just tolerating that is just tolerating KU BB as a whole.
Let's not get carried away here..
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
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Will probably be too cold for flip-flops.
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You are right, I should just throw the name of my source out there for everyone. Wouldn't be my source anymore. I guess time will tell...
If you don't answer my PM I will delete your account and send you a virus, you bastard.
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.
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I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.
Here's a quote I saw on FB after the KU game:
"Upset and embarrassed for KU basketball. Not because of the loss - KState (aka Jacob Pullen) played great. And we deserved a kick in the pants. But the twins are literally sucking the class out of the program. Not happy about that."
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.
Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?
Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season?
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I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.
Here's a quote I saw on FB after the KU game:
"Upset and embarrassed for KU basketball. Not because of the loss - KState (aka Jacob Pullen) played great. And we deserved a kick in the pants. But the twins are literally sucking the class out of the program. Not happy about that."
People blow the few incidents the twins have been a part of WAY out of proportion and that's a fact. They are competitors. They have that inner-city edge. They can also become immature kids at times. But above all these other labels, they are WINNERS.
They have made a couple mistakes this year but they have also shown that they clearly are correcting them. Let's not make this out to be more than it is.
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.
This team will miss Jake a LOT, particularly early. But, with more balance, I think we'll be just as tough next year, but in a different way. We'll have 4 or 5 guys averaging right around double figures, I think, and some good firepower off the bench. That will make it difficult for teams to just try to take away one guy. If I were weighting the 3 scenarios I presented, I'd probably put the "realistic" one at about 60%, the downside one at 25%, and the upside one 1t 15%. I'm optimistic (but not overly so) that our young guys will step up and take the mantle from Jake. While we won't see the likes of him here for awhile, as a TEAM I think the guys can take up the numbers slack.
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I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.
Here's a quote I saw on FB after the KU game:
"Upset and embarrassed for KU basketball. Not because of the loss - KState (aka Jacob Pullen) played great. And we deserved a kick in the pants. But the twins are literally sucking the class out of the program. Not happy about that."
People blow the few incidents the twins have been a part of WAY out of proportion and that's a fact. They are competitors. They have that inner-city edge. They can also become immature kids at times. But above all these other labels, they are WINNERS.
They have made a couple mistakes this year but they have also shown that they clearly are correcting them. Let's not make this out to be more than it is.
Movies that describe the Morris Twins: I'll start
A History of Violence
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.
Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?
Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season?
I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.
This team will miss Jake a LOT, particularly early. But, with more balance, I think we'll be just as tough next year, but in a different way. We'll have 4 or 5 guys averaging right around double figures, I think, and some good firepower off the bench. That will make it difficult for teams to just try to take away one guy. If I were weighting the 3 scenarios I presented, I'd probably put the "realistic" one at about 60%, the downside one at 25%, and the upside one 1t 15%. I'm optimistic (but not overly so) that our young guys will step up and take the mantle from Jake. While we won't see the likes of him here for awhile, as a TEAM I think the guys can take up the numbers slack.
Your 'reality' assessment is very possible and very valid. If I were assigning percentages to those same three scenarios. I'd say realistic-40%, downside-45% upside-15%. We aren't THAT far apart. Next year will be an adventure. That is for sure.
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.
This team will miss Jake a LOT, particularly early. But, with more balance, I think we'll be just as tough next year, but in a different way. We'll have 4 or 5 guys averaging right around double figures, I think, and some good firepower off the bench. That will make it difficult for teams to just try to take away one guy. If I were weighting the 3 scenarios I presented, I'd probably put the "realistic" one at about 60%, the downside one at 25%, and the upside one 1t 15%. I'm optimistic (but not overly so) that our young guys will step up and take the mantle from Jake. While we won't see the likes of him here for awhile, as a TEAM I think the guys can take up the numbers slack.
Your 'reality' assessment is very possible and very valid. If I were assigning percentages to those same three scenarios. I'd say realistic-40%, downside-45% upside-15%. We aren't THAT far apart. Next year will be an adventure. That is for sure.
Of course, for 2012-13, I'm going with a prediction of 28-4 (15-3), with the Cats ending the Hawks run, so I'm guessing we're a ways apart on THAT one!
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.
Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?
Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season?
I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.
I bet MU will lose a few guys before this is over and I doubt Their two big time recruits that are choosing between you guys and MU made their decision already if you know what I mean.
You take Flip away and get meh recruits in, and things are getting easier not harder for MU opponents.
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.
This team will miss Jake a LOT, particularly early. But, with more balance, I think we'll be just as tough next year, but in a different way. We'll have 4 or 5 guys averaging right around double figures, I think, and some good firepower off the bench. That will make it difficult for teams to just try to take away one guy. If I were weighting the 3 scenarios I presented, I'd probably put the "realistic" one at about 60%, the downside one at 25%, and the upside one 1t 15%. I'm optimistic (but not overly so) that our young guys will step up and take the mantle from Jake. While we won't see the likes of him here for awhile, as a TEAM I think the guys can take up the numbers slack.
Your 'reality' assessment is very possible and very valid. If I were assigning percentages to those same three scenarios. I'd say realistic-40%, downside-45% upside-15%. We aren't THAT far apart. Next year will be an adventure. That is for sure.
Of course, for 2012-13, I'm going with a prediction of 28-4 (15-3), with the Cats ending the Hawks run, so I'm guessing we're a ways apart on THAT one!
Oh yeah. WAY apart. Haha but that's the nature of a rivalry.
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.
Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?
Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season?
I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.
I bet MU will lose a few guys before this is over and I doubt Their two big time recruits that are choosing between you guys and MU made their decision already if you know what I mean.
You take Flip away and get meh recruits in, and things are getting easier not harder for MU opponents.
I certainly like that it almost locks McLemore in for us. Especially if Selby leaves. I just can't see Mizzery becoming the new Nebraska. Don't get me wrong though--I would LOVE to see that happen.
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.
Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?
Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season?
I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.
I bet MU will lose a few guys before this is over and I doubt Their two big time recruits that are choosing between you guys and MU made their decision already if you know what I mean.
You take Flip away and get meh recruits in, and things are getting easier not harder for MU opponents.
I certainly like that it almost locks McLemore in for us. Especially if Selby leaves. I just can't see Mizzery becoming the new Nebraska. Don't get me wrong though--I would LOVE to see that happen.
I don't think they become NU, but I think they will have a few down years regardless of who they hire. Flip isn't waiting to see who the new head coach is, he is following Uncle Mike. Flip is that team's future right now.
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As far as predictions go, I'm going with 22-10 (11-7) as my realistic regular season prediction, with 25-7 (13-5) as the upside, and 19-13 (9-9) as the downside. I think Rodney ups production to 12 and 8, with Jamar at around the same levels, and Jordan averaging maybe 8 and 6. I also think Will steps up his game next year, and puts up maybe around 10 points and 3 or 4 assists per game. I see Shane as a point forward-type, helping set the offense, and averaging maybe 7 or 8 points, 4 boards, and maybe 4 assists or so.
FWIW--I see you guys winning 9 or 10 in the Big XII. I see you guys snagging wins against the lower echelon but in all honesty I don't see the Cats being able to beat or compete with Kansas or Texas or maybe even Mizzery. The loss of Clemente hurt a whole lot more than a lot of Kansas St. fans thought (not that I'm accusing you guys of this). I also think that the loss of Pullen is being underestimated just slightly. I know everyone realizes he was a HUGE part of your success. But he WAS the team. I just can't see Samuels and McGruder carrying the team. I hope I'm wrong.
Bro, are you paying any attention to what is happening in MO right now?
Also, when was the last time TX beat us in the reg season?
I'm paying plenty of attention to Missouri. They aren't going to fall right off the map. You guys will, in all likelihood, split with them. Also: The Texas argument is valid, but only to an extent. They are going to have 2 shots at you this year. You will not have Clemente, Pullen, or Kelly. In the last 3 years, they have gone 1-3 against you guys. The 4 years previous to that? 3-1. Let's not start calling it domination before it really is.
I bet MU will lose a few guys before this is over and I doubt Their two big time recruits that are choosing between you guys and MU made their decision already if you know what I mean.
You take Flip away and get meh recruits in, and things are getting easier not harder for MU opponents.
I certainly like that it almost locks McLemore in for us. Especially if Selby leaves. I just can't see Mizzery becoming the new Nebraska. Don't get me wrong though--I would LOVE to see that happen.
I don't think they become NU, but I think they will have a few down years regardless of who they hire. Flip isn't waiting to see who the new head coach is, he is following Uncle Mike. Flip is that team's future right now.
We'll see what happens. I really hope they do become even worse. I always root for the success of the conference. Except Missouri. They can go 0-29 for all I care. I certainly hope you guys slaughter them both times.
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I was talking to a KU fan the other day who said he can't stand the Morris twins because they are a couple of thugs and KU should be better than that.
Here's a quote I saw on FB after the KU game:
"Upset and embarrassed for KU basketball. Not because of the loss - KState (aka Jacob Pullen) played great. And we deserved a kick in the pants. But the twins are literally sucking the class out of the program. Not happy about that."
People blow the few incidents the twins have been a part of WAY out of proportion and that's a fact. They are competitors. They have that inner-city edge. They can also become immature kids at times. But above all these other labels, they are WINNERS.
They have made a couple mistakes this year but they have also shown that they clearly are correcting them. Let's not make this out to be more than it is.
I can get you some contact info if you'd like to be in contact directly?
Be sure to remind her that they can't "literally suck" anything without applying some sort of negative differential pressure.
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They have that inner-city edge.
Some street in their voices.
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They have that inner-city edge.
Some street in their voices.
:lol: :thumbsup:
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Not guessing. Just repeating what I heard yesterday. That post on scout about McGruder is absolutely idiotic. Just posting what I heard. Like I said, until it happens its just another guy saying something from a "source".
I'm going to guess you are correct... i mean really, has anyone ever heard of a guy starting every game and averaging 30 + minutes a game transfering to another school :dunno:
I don't believe the McGruder rumor for a second but to answer the question-Curtis Redding.