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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: i poo crabs on February 02, 2011, 02:34:50 PM
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Sounds like Sams will compete for the starting spot against Tuggle
The Mercury said "Collin Klein, who played in 10 games this past season, may not be in the mix at QB any longer, as Sams said the junior-to-be is moving back to wide receiver full time."
http://www.themercury.com/k-statesports/ (http://www.themercury.com/k-statesports/)
So what's the plan? Tuggle and Sams to see who starts. If tuggle wins, will Sams even redshirt given the depth of our QB position? Or if Tuggle wins, Sams redshirts, and if something happens to Tuggle, Klein steps right in?
I'm hooping Sams wins outright. If he does not, I'm for start Tuggle, redshirt Sams, if Tuggle struggles or goes down with an injury, move Klein back to QB. If Klein sucks, pull Sams redshirt. :kstatriot:
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Redshirt sams
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Good programs don't redshirt talent.
Oh wait....
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Redshirt sams
If he's better than Tuggle, start him.
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eff redshirting Sams. It's not like we have any other options, outside of SLamur. Even if Tuggle wins the job, we can put Sams in for a few snaps every game.
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Plus, Sams is prolly one of the top 3 WRs on our team right now anyway
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Plus, Sams is prolly one of the top 3 WRs on our team right now anyway
I think our WRs are actually a strength of the team.
Post injury Broderick Smith was the best
Chris Harper played very well towards the end of the season and the bowl game.
Thompson played well as well.
Sams might be in the top 3. Since we lack a 4th receiver, and because of his talent, I'd like to see him used as often as possible.
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Sams needs to either take all his snaps @ QB or he needs to be a fulltime WR. Dude is way too raw to spend his time bouncing from from position to position. I'd use him in the wildcat because I don't Bryce can throw the ball worth a crap.
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Sams needs to either take all his snaps @ QB or he needs to be a fulltime WR. Dude is way too raw to spend his time bouncing from from position to position. I'd use him in the wildcat because I don't Bryce can throw the ball worth a cac.
That's true. We should develop him only as a QB. If he's not good enough this year, redshirt. If he's the best option we have, start him.
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Dude, we don't have any other QBs with Cosh and CCQ gone and Klein @ WR. Unless we're cool with SLamur as our backup (we're not) then we need Sams ready. I'm not worried about 5 years from now, I'm worried about this year and next year.
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Unless Pease can play the backup role...he could definitely play wildcat for us but I was pretty sure he was not going to play QB for us. Moving Klein to WR definitely suggests that Snyder is expecting one of the incoming guys to start and the other to back him up.
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Do people really think Snyder is going to start a true frosh at QB?
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Pease would probably run the wildcat for us, although bryce actually has a cannon (not that I would want him playing QB or anything, but for a RB he actually has a hell of an arm.) We could RS Sams, start Tuggle, Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.) and Klein as #3. Pease could be used in there sparingly.
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If I were a betting man, this is how it's going to shake out:
1 - Tuggle (JR)
2 - Lamur (SR)
3 - Sams (RS - FR)
Next year we'll end up bringing some other 5.4 2-star in to develop behind Sams. Prolly some kid from Wichita, KC, or Missouri.
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Definitely no QB for Pease. Snyder says DB.
I agree, this time.
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Do people really think Snyder is going to start a true frosh at QB?
This is it... not a chance OBz starts a true FR, I'd like to see it, but it wont happen.
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Weird. I called that klein will b a wr! And tuggle will start...followed by Lamur...then sams......and angelo pease is going to play rb
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I'd be surprised if Klein moves back to WR this year.
However, they do seem to hate him as a QB and B., it would be an encouraging sign.
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He's also the only white QB left, so that gives him the inside track.
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Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.)
Really?
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Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.)
Really?
Seriously. he was the scout team player of the year two years ago because he would shred the #1 defense day in and day out. He has a much stronger arm than CCQ, not as accurate during practice (Carson always looked good during practice because he knew nobody could hit him so he would step into his throws.) He is quicker than Klein with his feet and he has a quick, compact release unlike Klein's ungodly slow drawn out one. His decision making was questionable, but he was more of the playmaking, high risk, high reward type of QB who could make some huge plays, but also force the ball alot and create turnovers. With a guy like DT, we didn't need a huge playmaker at QB, just a guy who could manage the game. All things aside, he is deadly running the read option, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me to see him compete for the #1 job with Tuggs.
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Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.)
Really?
Seriously. he was the scout team player of the year two years ago because he would shred the #1 defense day in and day out. He has a much stronger arm than CCQ, not as accurate during practice (Carson always looked good during practice because he knew nobody could hit him so he would step into his throws.) He is quicker than Klein with his feet and he has a quick, compact release unlike Klein's ungodly slow drawn out one. His decision making was questionable, but he was more of the playmaking, high risk, high reward type of QB who could make some huge plays, but also force the ball alot and create turnovers. With a guy like DT, we didn't need a huge playmaker at QB, just a guy who could manage the game. All things aside, he is deadly running the read option, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me to see him compete for the #1 job with Tuggs.
I hope you're right. It's just discouraging that he couldn't start in juco. What I did like about Lamur is that he is really competitive. I remember him being ticked off when they told him to take a knee during one of the games.
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Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.)
Really?
Seriously. he was the scout team player of the year two years ago because he would shred the #1 defense day in and day out. He has a much stronger arm than CCQ, not as accurate during practice (Carson always looked good during practice because he knew nobody could hit him so he would step into his throws.) He is quicker than Klein with his feet and he has a quick, compact release unlike Klein's ungodly slow drawn out one. His decision making was questionable, but he was more of the playmaking, high risk, high reward type of QB who could make some huge plays, but also force the ball alot and create turnovers. With a guy like DT, we didn't need a huge playmaker at QB, just a guy who could manage the game. All things aside, he is deadly running the read option, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me to see him compete for the #1 job with Tuggs.
I hope you're right. It's just discouraging that he couldn't start in juco. What I did like about Lamur is that he is really competitive. I remember him being ticked off when they told him to take a knee during one of the games.
One other thing, he has a lot of swagger, which we were definitely lacking at the QB position.
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Dude, SLamur was 3rd string behind GG and CCQ and then behind CCQ and CK. Oh, and he was a back-up at juco. He obviously sucks at QB. He may be a great athlete with a ton of swagger but he sucks at QB. Like much worse than CCQ bad.
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I've watched him, with my own eyes, dismantle our #1 defense. The reason he doesn't start for anybody is because he is too Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), and/or lazy to learn the playbook. I would think that in the current situation, he would work his butt off to learn the offense. I could be overly optimistic that he will put in the work to learn the plays, but don't discount that this kid has skill. Why do you think that he would be on scholarship if he wasn't SKILLED enough to start at a JUCO? Something about that doesn't add up.
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#1, we wanted his brother. And name a QB last year that didn't shred our defense, it was one of the worst in the country. He obviously isn't good enough to start at a juco because he didn't, at 2 different jucos. Juco offenses are not complicated because most of the players are stupid and will only be there for 2 years. If he is so talented how could he not beat out CCQ or CK? CK literally couldn't throw a football, so it seems like it should be pretty easy to be a better QB than that guy. And if he lit up our defense, than CCQ and CK must have lit it up even more because they were above him on the depth chart for the entire year. Bishop sure as hell was dumb and didn't know the playbook for crap but he was good enough to start. SLAmur sucks, hard. Just get used to it. And no, Bubba Brown won't be here, so just forget about him too.
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I've watched him, with my own eyes, dismantle our #1 defense. The reason he doesn't start for anybody is because he is too Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), and/or lazy to learn the playbook. I would think that in the current situation, he would work his butt off to learn the offense. I could be overly optimistic that he will put in the work to learn the plays, but don't discount that this kid has skill. Why do you think that he would be on scholarship if he wasn't SKILLED enough to start at a JUCO? Something about that doesn't add up.
Really think hard about what you said there...
:peek:
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Also, Kadero Terrell.
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Quarterbacks who didn't shred our defense this year:
Comp Yards Avg TD INT
Prince 9/26 120 4.6 1 2
Arnaud 15/27 122 4.5 1 0
Godfrey 8/18 92 5.1 0 2
Webb 26/46 228 5.0 0 1
Gilbert 32/59 272 4.6 1 5
Dodge 8/12 123 10.3 1 0
So we put him on scholarship because we wanted his brother that bad? The same brother who lost his spot to a true freshman this past year? And he won scout team player of the year because.... they wanted to make him feel good?
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Quarterbacks who didn't shred our defense this year:
Comp Yards Avg TD INT
Prince 9/26 120 4.6 1 2
Arnaud 15/27 122 4.5 1 0
Godfrey 8/18 92 5.1 0 2
Webb 26/46 228 5.0 0 1
Gilbert 32/59 272 4.6 1 5
Dodge 8/12 123 10.3 1 0
So we put him on scholarship because we wanted his brother that bad? The same brother who lost his spot to a true freshman this past year? And he won scout team player of the year because.... they wanted to make him feel good?
lol chart didnt turn out how it was supposed to, but you get the picture.
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Other winners of the illustrious Red Raider Award: BJ Finney, Rimmon McNeese, Allen Webb, Dylan Meier, Rashaad Norwood. Pretty much a who's who of future badasses. Also, if you're a junior on the scout team and the 2 QBs getting the reps ahead of you are GG and CCQ, you suck. If he was any good, I would think the coaches would know because they see them every day (with their own eyes!) and would give him playing time over the proven to be shitty QBs we trotted out there.
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Or Maybe he doesn't know the playbook?
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Dude's had 2 yrs to learn the playbook. If he is really that stupid than he would make one shitty ass QB.
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Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.)
Really?
Seriously. he was the scout team player of the year two years ago because he would shred the #1 defense day in and day out. He has a much stronger arm than CCQ, not as accurate during practice (Carson always looked good during practice because he knew nobody could hit him so he would step into his throws.) He is quicker than Klein with his feet and he has a quick, compact release unlike Klein's ungodly slow drawn out one. His decision making was questionable, but he was more of the playmaking, high risk, high reward type of QB who could make some huge plays, but also force the ball alot and create turnovers. With a guy like DT, we didn't need a huge playmaker at QB, just a guy who could manage the game. All things aside, he is deadly running the read option, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me to see him compete for the #1 job with Tuggs.
I hope you're right. It's just discouraging that he couldn't start in juco. What I did like about Lamur is that he is really competitive. I remember him being ticked off when they told him to take a knee during one of the games.
One other thing, he has a lot of swagger, which we were definitely lacking at the QB position.
Swagger does nothing when you're 3rd string behind two terrible quarterbacks. He's obviously not very good.
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Hate to say it but I am siding with jt here
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Why is everyone ruling out Klein moving to WR and also being the backup QB? KU did it with Kerry Meier.
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Because the original post stated that he would not be playing QB anymore. :dunno:
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I've watched him, with my own eyes, dismantle our #1 defense. The reason he doesn't start for anybody is because he is too Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), and/or lazy to learn the playbook. I would think that in the current situation, he would work his butt off to learn the offense. I could be overly optimistic that he will put in the work to learn the plays, but don't discount that this kid has skill. Why do you think that he would be on scholarship if he wasn't SKILLED enough to start at a JUCO? Something about that doesn't add up.
Dude, every QB in the big12 shredded our #1 defense. Any QB last season looked like a heisman candidate against our #1 defense. Lamur should never play, ever except in mop up duty. IF HE WAS GOOD HE WOULD HAVE PLAYED. AKA He's not good.
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Lamur as #2 (if he can learn the plays... he was probably the most skilled QB on the roster last year, he just didn't know the playbook.)
Really?
Seriously. he was the scout team player of the year two years ago because he would shred the #1 defense day in and day out. He has a much stronger arm than CCQ, not as accurate during practice (Carson always looked good during practice because he knew nobody could hit him so he would step into his throws.) He is quicker than Klein with his feet and he has a quick, compact release unlike Klein's ungodly slow drawn out one. His decision making was questionable, but he was more of the playmaking, high risk, high reward type of QB who could make some huge plays, but also force the ball alot and create turnovers. With a guy like DT, we didn't need a huge playmaker at QB, just a guy who could manage the game. All things aside, he is deadly running the read option, and it honestly wouldn't surprise me to see him compete for the #1 job with Tuggs.
Shredding the number 1 defense...... Now there's an accomplishment!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: