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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: PoetWarrior on February 02, 2011, 08:43:10 AM
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We are happy to have you at our university, Justin.
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Sean Snyder hate *still* ok.
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you can both like tuggle and think that he is pretty bad at football. it's not either/or.
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you can both like tuggle and think that he is pretty bad at football. it's not either/or.
I accept half of that.
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you can both like tuggle and think that he is pretty bad at football. it's not either/or.
I accept half of that.
and i accept half of that. balls in your court now psycho.
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you can both like tuggle and think that he is pretty bad at football. it's not either/or.
I accept half of that.
and i accept half of that. balls in your court now psycho.
He seems likable. However, the only info that I can rely on is the info from members of the staff that said that he is inaccurate and tends to shy away from contact. But, it's possible that the member of staff could have been lying and feigning his frustration.
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Just don't make a video.
Never believed the CURSE talk, but the Judge video made me a believer.
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Just don't make a video.
Never believed the CURSE talk, but the Judge video made me a believer.
Maybe there is no curse, and Poet just gets really attached to dudes who really aren't very good at the sports they play. He likes the ones who "look" good.
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My theory: The Curse is omnipresent...PW is just the canary in the coal mine.
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My theory: The Curse is omnipresent...PW is just the canary in the coal mine.
:surprised: I like this one
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you can both like tuggle and think that he is pretty bad at football. it's not either/or.
I accept half of that.
and i accept half of that. balls in your court now psycho.
:lol:
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Were Tuggle haters without television sets and automobiles during the 2010 Kansas State Wildcat football season?
Were their legs and arms broken?
Were they blinded by sweat or spit?
Were their ears full of industrial noise?
Was their conscious thought subconsciously unconscious?
Surely.
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I hope he proves a lot of people wrong. I've just heard his arm isn't much better than the last JUCO QB that played for K-State. Granted, that guy turned out to be a pretty decent player at another position.
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I hope he proves a lot of people wrong. I've just heard his arm isn't much better than the last JUCO QB that played for K-State.
I think we all remember Michael Q. Bishop.
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I hope he proves a lot of people wrong. I've just heard his arm isn't much better than the last JUCO QB that played for K-State.
I think we all remember Michael Q. Bishop.
a) I remember him fondly.
b) Don't do that to Tuggle.
c) I hope he can be a good player at the QB position.
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Marc Dunn played another position and was good at it and had a bad arm?
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As long as he is better than CCQ idc...
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I hope he proves a lot of people wrong. I've just heard his arm isn't much better than the last JUCO QB that played for K-State. Granted, that guy turned out to be a pretty decent player at another position.
SLamur?
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move the chains and smart decisions .. that's all we need out of him
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We need Snyder to remember what he once was.
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I've watched Justin's video.
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Tuggle doesn't have a cannon but jesus christ its not worse than ck or gg. Unless he's had an injury since his highlight games were filme. Sams will redshirt klein and tuggle will duke it out.
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Sams will redshirt klein and tuggle will duke it out.
then all is lost
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Tuggle doesn't have a cannon but jesus christ its not worse than ck or gg. Unless he's had an injury since his highlight games were filme. Sams will redshirt klein and tuggle will duke it out.
agree that tuggle probably sucks and that he or klein will be the qb this year. probably klein.
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Snyder will give him a chance to earn the starting spot. He doesn't have too many years, and he might only have the Brown Bros for one year, and Harper and Broderick Smith will be seniors ...
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Brod and Harper will be juniors. And "shies away from contact" is a rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point. How many QBs don't shy away from contact? He's not a freaking defensive player dumbasses.
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How many QBs don't shy away from contact? He's not a freaking defensive player dumbasses.
Every good one we've ever had
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Didn't want to start a tread ... this tuggle and sams recruting got me thinking
Anybody remember how well regarded Ell Roberson was coming out of high school. I know he was highly recruited, but couldn't find any articles about how much.
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Neither Ell nor Beasley looked to run people over. Hell, Ell was like 190lbs and his ability to make people miss was one of his biggest attributes. If your QB looks to initiate contact, expect fumbles and injuries. Also- you think May, Kavanaugh, Miller, etc looked to initiate contact, stevedavetard?
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Neither Ell nor Beasley looked to run people over. Hell, Ell was like 190lbs and his ability to make people miss was one of his biggest attributes. If your QB looks to initiate contact, expect fumbles and injuries. Also- you think May, Kavanaugh, Miller, etc looked to initiate contact, stevedavetard?
nobody said anything about running over people. I also wouldn't call Kavanaugh or Miller good. But, none of the rest shied away from contact (and all had better arms than Tuggle).
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Neither Ell nor Beasley looked to run people over. Hell, Ell was like 190lbs and his ability to make people miss was one of his biggest attributes. If your QB looks to initiate contact, expect fumbles and injuries. Also- you think May, Kavanaugh, Miller, etc looked to initiate contact, stevedavetard?
We're making shying away from contact too simple. I think one thing Stevedave is referring to is that when Tuggle is in the pocket, rather than step through his throws, he has a tendancy to lean back to avoid contact.
As for how much contact he is involved in during option plays, I haven't watched enough tape to give a decent analysis
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So, Tuggle doesn't like being hit? Neither does any NFL QB not named Tim Tebow. And Beasley didn't have a strong arm by any means. Guess well have to omit the plays that call for 45 yd passes now... and Sams is horribly inaccurate.
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So, Tuggle doesn't like being hit? Neither does any NFL QB not named Tim Tebow. And Beasley didn't have a strong arm by any means. Guess well have to omit the plays that call for 45 yd passes now... and Sams is horribly inaccurate.
:facepalm:
Also, if a coaching staff who thinks that Coffman looked great leading up to the season, thinks you aren't looking too good.... :goodbyecruelworld:
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So, Tuggle doesn't like being hit? Neither does any NFL QB not named Tim Tebow. And Beasley didn't have a strong arm by any means. Guess well have to omit the plays that call for 45 yd passes now... and Sams is horribly inaccurate.
You do realize Snyder built his offense around the option and the deep pass, right? Having a QB with a strong arm is HUGE for us.
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Neither Ell nor Beasley looked to run people over. Hell, Ell was like 190lbs and his ability to make people miss was one of his biggest attributes. If your QB looks to initiate contact, expect fumbles and injuries. Also- you think May, Kavanaugh, Miller, etc looked to initiate contact, stevedavetard?
nobody said anything about running over people. I also wouldn't call Kavanaugh or Miller good. But, none of the rest shied away from contact (and all had better arms than Tuggle).
i would call miller good. def above avg for ksu qb's under snyder. jmo. he was like grant gregory but good.
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At what point during the option does the QB intentionally hit a defender? And the vast majority of our long passing plays are because of yards after the catch, not the number of yards the ball is in the air.
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At what point during the option does the QB intentionally hit a defender?
After the pitch.
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Wut?
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Hit or be hit...one hurts worse.
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At what point during the option does the QB intentionally hit a defender? And the vast majority of our long passing plays are because of yards after the catch, not the number of yards the ball is in the air.
The quarterback should turn into the direction of the defender right before he is going to pitch to draw them to him. This inevitably leads you to getting hit, i.e. heading toward contact.
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Martinez, Jones, Godfrey, etc all look to evade defenders, rather than engage them. Unless the QB is Freems size, you don't want them looking to hit defenders. And the ball carrier is always "moving towards contact" you dumbass, unless he is outrunning the entire defense. That's not the same as initiating contact. Very, very few QBs look to run over or through defenders, that's a simple fact. I would much rather have a Vick type of running QB than a guy who just runs north/south, annd risks fumbles and injuries by seeking out contact.
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Martinez, Jones, Godfrey, etc all look to evade defenders, rather than engage them. Unless the QB is Freems size, you don't want them looking to hit defenders. And the ball carrier is always "moving towards contact" you dumbass, unless he is outrunning the entire defense. That's not the same as initiating contact. Very, very few QBs look to run over or through defenders, that's a simple fact. I would much rather have a Vick type of running QB than a guy who just runs north/south, annd risks fumbles and injuries by seeking out contact.
Do we have any other retards here that don't understand the concept of shies away from contact or is it just jtksu?
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Martinez, Jones, Godfrey, etc all look to evade defenders, rather than engage them. Unless the QB is Freems size, you don't want them looking to hit defenders. And the ball carrier is always "moving towards contact" you dumbass, unless he is outrunning the entire defense. That's not the same as initiating contact. Very, very few QBs look to run over or through defenders, that's a simple fact. I would much rather have a Vick type of running QB than a guy who just runs north/south, annd risks fumbles and injuries by seeking out contact.
Do we have any other retards here that don't understand the concept of shies away from contact or is it just jtksu?
looking like it's just him
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Pretty much every QB shies away from contact. There's a reason you never hear that description of a QB, they all do it. If I heard that about a RB, I would worry. Hey SD, any word on if that kicker we signed likes to mix it up with defenders? If not,I say we hand the keys of the offense to a different kicker who wasn't good enough to start in high school but has some neat highlight videos and will totally save our program. And you guys are the same retards who bitch about recruits having no BCS offers. Tuggle actually started for a BCS team. How many BCS offers (at QB) did Sams have? How about the kid he split time with? Is that a zero I hear? Sounds like a zero to me.
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Pretty much every QB shies away from contact. There's a reason you never hear that description of a QB, they all do it. If I heard that about a RB, I would worry. Hey SD, any word on if that kicker we signed likes to mix it up with defenders? If not,I say we hand the keys of the offense to a different kicker who wasn't good enough to start in high school but has some neat highlight videos and will totally save our program. And you guys are the same retards who bitch about recruits having no BCS offers. Tuggle actually started for a BCS team. How many BCS offers (at QB) did Sams have? How about the kid he split time with? Is that a zero I hear? Sounds like a zero to me.
Quit acting like you know anything
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Martinez, Jones, Godfrey, etc all look to evade defenders, rather than engage them. Unless the QB is Freems size, you don't want them looking to hit defenders. And the ball carrier is always "moving towards contact" you dumbass, unless he is outrunning the entire defense. That's not the same as initiating contact. Very, very few QBs look to run over or through defenders, that's a simple fact. I would much rather have a Vick type of running QB than a guy who just runs north/south, annd risks fumbles and injuries by seeking out contact.
'grats beems
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And they're tapping out left and right. 'Grats, retards!
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Neither Ell nor Beasley looked to run people over. Hell, Ell was like 190lbs and his ability to make people miss was one of his biggest attributes. If your QB looks to initiate contact, expect fumbles and injuries. Also- you think May, Kavanaugh, Miller, etc looked to initiate contact, stevedavetard?
nobody said anything about running over people. I also wouldn't call Kavanaugh or Miller good. But, none of the rest shied away from contact (and all had better arms than Tuggle).
i would call miller good. def above avg for ksu qb's under snyder. jmo. he was like grant gregory but good.
Yeah -- for the record -- I'd call Miller good, and he also seemed to enjoy making contact on running plays.
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miller also had numerous concussions and 2 seperated shoulders. Pretty sure I referenced the probability of injuries earlier....
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:dubious:
jtksu, you're pretty fired up about this. It's just a simple evaluation somebody had suggesting Tugs might be sort of a pussy sometimes, that's all.
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when in doubt, oversimplify. standard method of bbs attack for the horrible bbs'er.
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I think the inaccurate thing bothers me more than the fp thing.
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Seems like we can work on his accuracy. Lots of juco kids come in with poor accuracy and improve with proper instruction.
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If accuracy is his issue, then yeah. however it sounds like his arm issue is a strength issue. I have heard several QB's and QB coaches over the years talk about arm strength and motion/timing. Basically, it sounds like if you are mumped up from the beginning, it is near impossible to correct. so if his arm is weak, or his motion is horrible, then he will most likely suck as a throwing QB.
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I'd just like to add that I HOPE Tuggle is good. All I am saying is that we had better not set our expectations too high.
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Lol at the Tuggy Bear haters.... No way in hell he is worse than Carsy. He will be fine. If you think tuggle sucks as a quarterback, what do you think of sams? And imo, if tuggs is accurate from 10-20 yds then our offense will be fine. I do understand the concept of shy's away from contact..unlike some other guys......no names jtksu
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Pretty much every QB improves his mechanics, arm strength, foot work, etc once they reach the D1 level. Hell, Tebow totally overhauled his delivery in one off season. I'd be willing to be that Tuggle will look much improved after 5-6 months of D1 coaching.
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Pretty much every QB improves his mechanics, arm strength, foot work, etc once they reach the D1 level. Hell, Tebow totally overhauled his delivery in one off season. I'd be willing to be that Tuggle will look much improved after 5-6 months of D1 coaching.
Do you even watch football? Christ...
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So QBs don't improve after high school? How are you even able to feedd yourself? Who changes your diapers? I hope someone went around and covered up all the electrical sockets in your assisted living center because it's pretty obvious you are a full-on Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and likely to attempt to stick your dick in them
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So QBs don't improve after high school? How are you even able to feedd yourself? Who changes your diapers? I hope someone went around and covered up all the electrical sockets in your assisted living center because it's pretty obvious you are a full-on Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and likely to attempt to stick your dick in them
Holy crap! You really don't watch football.....
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You honestly think QBs don't improve after high school? Holy crap! Do us all a favor and shoot yourself in the dick because I really don't want to have to pay to have your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) offspring housed and fed.
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"Justin is a kid we've seen plenty of....he has a good arm and can make some good, long throws. The biggest thing about him is he tended to be a bit inconsistant from an overall playmaking posistion." -Crabby
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No way in hell he is worse than Carsy
If this is our rough ridin' standard now I quit. I just...I rough ridin' quit. :goodbyecruelworld:
BTW...jtksu just turned this thread into a coat hanger abortion. Thanks Corky! :thumbsup:
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My theory: The Curse is omnipresent...PW is just the canary in the coal mine.
BOOM
:horrorsurprise:
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Sat next close by him @ the game, not a great dresser, some sort of tight, almost affliction type of zip up hoodie.
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Hit or be hit...one hurts worse.
Hitting hurts more.
I'm so confused. Did you never play football? :confused:
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If accuracy is his issue, then yeah. however it sounds like his arm issue is a strength issue. I have heard several QB's and QB coaches over the years talk about arm strength and motion/timing. Basically, it sounds like if you are effed up from the beginning, it is near impossible to correct. so if his arm is weak, or his motion is horrible, then he will most likely suck as a throwing QB.
Surprised he has poor mechanics. You'd think with his family background and all. Even though his pops with a linebacker, he'd probably know enough about throwing mechanics or could find a coach/friend to teach justin proper mechanics.
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Hit or be hit...one hurts worse.
Hitting hurts more.
I'm so confused. Did you never play football? :confused:
It's pride...being a FP hurts more than anything. :lynchmob:
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you can both like tuggle and think that he is pretty bad at football. it's not either/or.
I accept half of that.
and i accept half of that. balls in your court now psycho.
:lol:
I know I'm late, but this had me and my pals rollin'.
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Hell, Tebow totally overhauled his delivery in one off season.
Did you watch him throw at all this year? It was just as long and drawn out as it was in college. Definitely not the same throwing motion he showed off before the draft.