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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: chum1 on February 16, 2010, 12:18:40 PM
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Say you’re looking for a house and know of two that meet all of your minimum criteria. You like each of these houses a lot. They’re each very nice. They’re priced comparably. One of the houses is in a rough ridin' fantastic neighborhood. Your neighbors would very likely be people that you get along with. There are lots of things to do in the area. The other house is a rough ridin' fantastic house. It’s much larger and high-end than you anticipated that you’d be looking at. Its neighborhood, however, isn’t as appealing. Really nice houses, but a location that’s little more isolated. And you’d likely just keep to yourself in this neighborhood.
Which house do you choose and why? Any related experiences?
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Which one fits your needs more? :dunno:
1) Big house for current/future big family?
2) Smaller house in friendly neighborhood?
IMO, you can always make a non-friendly/social neighborhood more friendly.
Most importantly, which house has room for a man-den?
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Hmmm, white people house sounds like it would retain it's value nicely. However, minority filled neighborhood house sounds really nice too. Tough call.
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Is the bigger house one of the bigger ones in the neighborhood? Stay away from those. Better to be on the low end than the high end.
As far as neighbors go, I really can't provide much guidance. I don't talk to my neighbors.
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LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION
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Say you’re looking for a house and know of two that meet all of your minimum criteria. You like each of these houses a lot. They’re each very nice. They’re priced comparably. One of the houses is in a fracking fantastic neighborhood. Your neighbors would very likely be people that you get along with. There are lots of things to do in the area. The other house is a fracking fantastic house. It’s much larger and high-end than you anticipated that you’d be looking at. Its neighborhood, however, isn’t as appealing. Really nice houses, but a location that’s little more isolated. And you’d likely just keep to yourself in this neighborhood.
Which house do you choose and why? Any related experiences?
Who wants to be friends with their neighbors? As long as their house and lawn are well maintained, I have no intention of speaking to them, anyway.
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Yeah, go with the smaller house for sure. Location is always the most important factor.
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I would go with the larger house in the quieter neighborhood. I like to keep to myself, but will enjoy the company of neighbors from time to time. Plus a larger houes would allow for better watch parties.
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My parents' house versus my house provides nearly this exact scenario, with my parents' being bigger but more remote and mine being in a neighborhood I really like. Having experienced both, I would absolutely stay where I am if I had the choice. Being close to my neighbors, friends, and activities is more important to me than extra size/niceness.
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Being close to stuff is very underrated...go with the location...
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You always want the lowest valued house in the nicest neighborhood. ALWAYS.
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Smaller house. Less area to maintain. Actually you should probably go out and find a smaller house than the smaller house. I feel like the smaller house in this scenario is still too big.
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I'd say just hurry up and close so you can get your tax credit :driving:
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Choose the neighborhood over the house. Especially if you have or are going to have kids.
You don't want to live in a big secluded mansion where you have to entertain those little fuckers by yourself.
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Here I go sounding old:
If you plan to have kids, let the quality of the school district be a deciding factor. If equal districts, then I say the quieter neighborhood, but that is just how I roll.
Hate having people around me.
Now that I think of it, I kinda just hate people.
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Pick the house on the cul-de-sac over the house on a street, if one is on a cul-de-sac and one is on a street. Never underestimate the importance of living on a cul-de-sac.
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We want with the big house in the "hood". Before we had kids, didn't look at the schools in the area. Kind of wish we did now. One bonus is no one comes door-to-door selling anything. The drug bust down the street are always a source of good drama. Wife hates our location now, so I say go for the good neighborhood.
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Yeah, I’ve never hung out with neighbors before, but I think I might like to now. This area has a good community vibe and they have block parties and cookouts and stuff.
At the same time, I’m finding out how strong the pull of materialism can be. I certainly don’t need a bunch of the crap that the bigger house offers, but I know it would feel pretty good to have it.
All serious issues have already been addressed. This is mostly about what kind of gravy I want.
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Yeah, I’ve never hung out with neighbors before, but I think I might like to now. This area has a good community vibe and they have block parties and cookouts and stuff.
At the same time, I’m finding out how strong the pull of materialism can be. I certainly don’t need a bunch of the crap that the bigger house offers, but I know it would feel pretty good to have it.
All serious issues have already been addressed. This is mostly about what kind of gravy I want.
You mind disclosing the "good" community?
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please post pics of both houses. preferably with your wife in front of both. :fatty:
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they have block parties and cookouts and stuff.
Seriously, YOU DO NOT WANT TO LIVE HERE. Block parties and cookouts with neighbors suck beyond belief. And send the kids to private schools; don't worry about what school district your house is in.
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This is mostly about what kind of gravy I want.
God I nailed this in my initial response :cool:
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The one that has a pool or has the most potential to put a pool in.
Limestone is living with a pool and that's the rule.
:jumpingoffhighdivingboard:
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Yeah, I’ve never hung out with neighbors before, but I think I might like to now. This area has a good community vibe and they have block parties and cookouts and stuff.
At the same time, I’m finding out how strong the pull of materialism can be. I certainly don’t need a bunch of the crap that the bigger house offers, but I know it would feel pretty good to have it.
All serious issues have already been addressed. This is mostly about what kind of gravy I want.
You want the smaller house in the friendlier neighborhood. Bigger house equals more furniture, more expensive maid (angrier wife), bigger utility bills, larger taxes, more expensive repairs, etc.
* subject to pool criteria
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The one that has a pool or has the most potential to put a pool in.
Limestone is living with a pool and that's the rule.
:jumpingoffhighdivingboard:
Pools are a pain in the ass unless you can afford to pay someone else to take care of it.
Hot tubs are the way to go.
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Pools are a pain in the ass unless you can afford to pay someone else to take care of it.
Hot tubs are the way to go.
Mods, please move this thread to the opposite day forum. TIA
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Pools are a pain in the ass unless you can afford to pay someone else to take care of it.
Hot tubs are the way to go.
Mods, please move this thread to the opposite day forum. TIA
+1
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You mind disclosing the "good" community?
Loveland, OH. The other is in West Chester, OH if you guys want to see what you can dig up to compare. Pics would be helpful.
Although, the "good" part I was talking about is really limited to the particular neighborhood I was looking in.
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Loveland:
This has chum1 written all over it
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Mascot is the tigers, kinda stupid imo
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Looks like there's a castle...is this the house?
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They have self storage which is convenient
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The tiger shirt comes in two colors
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Picture of your new neighbors. Def. look like lamo block party havers.
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There is an actual thing called the Loveland Frog that looks pretty elite
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West Chester mascot is the Lakota Thunderbirds (much better than Tigers)
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Here's where it is on a map
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Yeah, that's pretty much it. I'd go with the one with the frog guy :dunno:
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You mind disclosing the "good" community?
Loveland, OH. The other is in West Chester, OH if you guys want to see what you can dig up to compare. Pics would be helpful.
Although, the "good" part I was talking about is really limited to the particular neighborhood I was looking in.
Cincinnati? Yikes.
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Loveland High has varsity bowling teams! :cheers:
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There is an actual thing called the Loveland Frog that looks pretty elite
I DID NOT KNOW THIS!
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So, decision made then.
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i really like my place and i've got the smallest/junkiest house in a neighborhood that i absolutely love if that means anything. could have had a bigger/nicer house in a neighborhood i didn't really like. 100% sure that i made the right call. i vote block party place.
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I revel in the fact that one day I will get to move into a neighborhood and drop the value of the surrounding houses almost immediately.
:cool:
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Neighbors suck ass.
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West Chester mascot is the Lakota Thunderbirds (much better than Tigers)
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Looks like a normal size mug. XXL? :dunno:
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There is an actual thing called the Loveland Frog that looks pretty elite
I DID NOT KNOW THIS!
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Jesus, there's your Halloween costume for the next forever years.
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The one that has a pool or has the most potential to put a pool in.
Limestone is living with a pool and that's the rule.
:jumpingoffhighdivingboard:
Pools are a pain in the ass unless you can afford to pay someone else to take care of it.
Hot tubs are the way to go.
2 things to make a pool easy to maintain: Salt system and automatic cleaner. If anybody needs help with a pool or wants one, let me know.
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2 things to make a pool easy to maintain: Salt system and automatic cleaner. If anybody needs help with a pool or wants one, let me know.
Somebody hire this drunk so he can pay his fines.
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2 things to make a pool easy to maintain: Salt system and automatic cleaner. If anybody needs help with a pool or wants one, let me know.
Somebody hire this drunk so he can pay his fines.
+1 but need to get on it ASAP before he loses his license.
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2 things to make a pool easy to maintain: Salt system and automatic cleaner. If anybody needs help with a pool or wants one, let me know.
Somebody hire this drunk so he can pay his fines.
Going to be awfully hard for you to bring all of that equiptment on your moped. Guess your mom could drop you off in her van :dunno:
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I revel in the fact that one day I will get to move into a neighborhood and drop the value of the surrounding houses almost immediately.
:cool:
pfffffffft
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2 things to make a pool easy to maintain: Salt system and automatic cleaner. If anybody needs help with a pool or wants one, let me know.
Somebody hire this drunk so he can pay his fines.
Going to be awfully hard for you to bring all of that equiptment on your moped. Guess your mom could drop you off in her van :dunno:
They did away with the moped exception several years ago. Sorry.
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2 things to make a pool easy to maintain: Salt system and automatic cleaner. If anybody needs help with a pool or wants one, let me know.
Somebody hire this drunk so he can pay his fines.
Going to be awfully hard for you to bring all of that equiptment on your moped. Guess your mom could drop you off in her van :dunno:
They did away with the moped exception several years ago. Sorry.
TBL what about a horse? can you drive them on the roads?
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2 things to make a pool easy to maintain: Salt system and automatic cleaner. If anybody needs help with a pool or wants one, let me know.
Somebody hire this drunk so he can pay his fines.
Going to be awfully hard for you to bring all of that equiptment on your moped. Guess your mom could drop you off in her van :dunno:
They did away with the moped exception several years ago. Sorry.
TBL what about a horse? can you drive them on the roads?
The Amsih do it. They may have some exemption though.
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2 things to make a pool easy to maintain: Salt system and automatic cleaner. If anybody needs help with a pool or wants one, let me know.
Somebody hire this drunk so he can pay his fines.
Going to be awfully hard for you to bring all of that equiptment on your moped. Guess your mom could drop you off in her van :dunno:
They did away with the moped exception several years ago. Sorry.
TBL what about a horse? can you drive them on the roads?
The Amsih do it. They may have some exemption though.
You can get exemptions based on religious beliefs? That's pretty fuckin' stupid.
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Wow, talk about picking the shiniest turd.
:flush:
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Wow, talk about picking the shiniest turd.
:flush:
Should I flip a coin?
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Wow, talk about picking the shiniest turd.
:flush:
Should I flip a coin?
No, go with the small house in the better neighborhood.
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Say you’re looking for a house and know of two that meet all of your minimum criteria. You like each of these houses a lot. They’re each very nice. They’re priced comparably. One of the houses is in a fracking fantastic neighborhood. Your neighbors would very likely be people that you get along with. There are lots of things to do in the area. The other house is a fracking fantastic house. It’s much larger and high-end than you anticipated that you’d be looking at. Its neighborhood, however, isn’t as appealing. Really nice houses, but a location that’s little more isolated. And you’d likely just keep to yourself in this neighborhood.
Which house do you choose and why? Any related experiences?
Look at the house like an investment. Take your personal wants and desires out of the equation and look at the factors that affect the value and marketability of both. If the price of both houses is similar but one house is smaller than the other, there must be some factor(s) that cause this. Identify what those factors might be and whether they will still be factors that will affect value and marketability when you are ready to sell the house.
But then again, I'm "usually" drunk, going to be in jail, can't drive to work, and may or may not be able to ride a horse based upon a religious exemption, so it might not be best to consider anything I might say on the subject.
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KSUBrian has been a great addition to our little BBS
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Agreed, amazing he is that crafty for being hungover all of the time.
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Agreed, amazing he is that crafty for being hungover all of the time.
Hell I'm not hungover. I stay drunk all the time. Its really amazing how good I have gotten at drunk driving and posting on a message board at the same time. I'm really going to be proud when I can be featured on Oprah.
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I have yet to hear a Lakewood Frog related update to this
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I have a friend looking into buying some commercial real estate in MHK. Needless to say, he's a :kstategrad:
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I have yet to hear a Lakewood Frog related update to this
I haven't heard anything about the frog. But I'm not in Loveland. I do have lots of neighbor stories, though. Have you heard about the weirdo German guy?
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I have yet to hear a Lakewood Frog related update to this
I haven't heard anything about the frog. But I'm not in Loveland. I do have lots of neighbor stories, though. Have you heard about the weirdo German guy?
Loveland I meant. Haven't heard about the german. Please link relevant post or just fill me in here.
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Loveland is nice. I only spent like a week there but I was impressed.
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2 things to make a pool easy to maintain: Salt system and automatic cleaner. If anybody needs help with a pool or wants one, let me know.
go ahead and explain pools now.
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I'm at BWW (sup SD) in Mason (between WC and Loveland). After another beer or three (lol), I'm going to start asking strangers about this rough ridin' frog business.
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I have yet to hear a Lakewood Frog related update to this
I haven't heard anything about the frog. But I'm not in Loveland. I do have lots of neighbor stories, though. Have you heard about the weirdo German guy?
Loveland I meant. Haven't heard about the german. Please link relevant post or just fill me in here.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=17952.0
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I have yet to hear a Lakewood Frog related update to this
I haven't heard anything about the frog. But I'm not in Loveland. I do have lots of neighbor stories, though. Have you heard about the weirdo German guy?
Loveland I meant. Haven't heard about the german. Please link relevant post or just fill me in here.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=17952.0
That was a great story but AJ kinda stole your thunder with his story.
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I have yet to hear a Lakewood Frog related update to this
I haven't heard anything about the frog. But I'm not in Loveland. I do have lots of neighbor stories, though. Have you heard about the weirdo German guy?
Loveland I meant. Haven't heard about the german. Please link relevant post or just fill me in here.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=17952.0
That was a great story but AJ kinda stole your thunder with his story.
Guess what. I have like at least six more neighbors. All with stories of their own.
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2 things to make a pool easy to maintain: Salt system and automatic cleaner. If anybody needs help with a pool or wants one, let me know.
go ahead and explain pools now.
What would you like to know? Pools are awesome!! Takes backyard to a new level and reduces amount of grass to mow. Great way to have spur of the moment bbq paks. Besides, I build them to make :kstategrad:
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What would you like to know... I build them.
tell me about +/-s of replastering them, relevant replastering facts, and also then about keeping them usable. explain it to me as if i were a kansan.
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What would you like to know... I build them.
tell me about +/-s of replastering them, relevant replastering facts, and also then about keeping them usable. explain it to me as if i were a kansan.
Re-plaster pro - looks great and will last. Con - Very expensive. Other option is painting. Works well if plaster is not crumbling. good paint job still looks good and has good lifespan for fraction of cost of re-plaster. Usability is dependent upon good pump/filter system and proper water chemistry/sanitation. Traditional chlorine is harsh and hard to keep stable, salt-water system is automated improving ease of stabilization but is corrosive to equipment/metallic surfaces. Best option we have found is borates. A little more expensive but a lot more stable than chlorine, not harsh on skin/equipment and much easier to maintain. Automated cleaner is a must to cut down on maintenance time. Most common is type tied into filtration system like Polaris or Barracuda. Best for $$ and easiest to use is electric that is separate from filtration system like the Dolphin. www.poolscapeskc.com for contact info
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what's the best material to use for replastering? i'll prob. sell the house in 5-10 years and want a dark color. borates is just a diff. chemical that you use instead of chlorine? it doesn't require different equipment? how would i know if there is currently an auto cleaner, and how much should one cost if there isn't? are all filters the same?
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what's the best material to use for replastering? i'll prob. sell the house in 5-10 years and want a dark color. borates is just a diff. chemical that you use instead of chlorine? it doesn't require different equipment? how would i know if there is currently an auto cleaner, and how much should one cost if there isn't? are all filters the same?
Any pool plaster will be fine. Options are color and texture. More important than the plaster used is who puts it on. As with everything, there are good plaster guys and poor plaster guys. I work for my nephew and he knows most of the KC area plaster subs and some in Dallas area. Also has contacts in the pool industry that can find out who to use in any area of the country.
Borates is just a different chemical to use instead of chlorine. Very similar to the way you use chlorine but much less labor intensive and water quality is much better. We started using when we had customer (Wichita area) with serious injuries from car accident and wanted to use pool for re-hab. Did not cause any problems with injuries and we found pool to be much easier to maintain. Pool owner had just bought house and had never had a pool before and had zero problems the whole season. Uses same equipment unless you don't have some type of chlorine feeder that uses 3" tablets. If you don't have a feeder, it can run $100 - $150 installed.
You would know if you have an auto cleaner as it is a device the size of an average pumpkin that moves around in the pool. The one we like runs $850 retail but we sell at discount closer to cost if purchased in connection with other services.
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What would you like to know?
How much would you charge to re-shape a sand bottom (18x36) when installing a new liner? And would you have checked that before you bid the job or add it in above the contract price after the work was already done?
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What would you like to know?
How much would you charge to re-shape a sand bottom (18x36) when installing a new liner? And would you have checked that before you bid the job or add it in above the contract price after the work was already done?
Also, how much to install a 60-inch poolside TV by Saturday morning?
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KSUBrian is, like, the only handy person on goEMAW
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What would you like to know?
How much would you charge to re-shape a sand bottom (18x36) when installing a new liner? And would you have checked that before you bid the job or add it in above the contract price after the work was already done?
Also, how much to install a 60-inch poolside TV by Saturday morning?
:emawkid:
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What would you like to know?
How much would you charge to re-shape a sand bottom (18x36) when installing a new liner? And would you have checked that before you bid the job or add it in above the contract price after the work was already done?
Also, how much to install a 60-inch poolside TV by Saturday morning?
:emawkid:
THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT!!!
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What would you like to know?
How much would you charge to re-shape a sand bottom (18x36) when installing a new liner? And would you have checked that before you bid the job or add it in above the contract price after the work was already done?
WTF KSUBrian?
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Little does JW know, KSUBrian is the one who scammed him on the price of re-shaping a sand bottom. No way he posts here anymore now....
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Little does JW know, KSUBrian is the one who scammed him on the price of re-shaping a sand bottom. No way he posts here anymore now....
KSUBrian! :shakesfist:
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What would you like to know?
How much would you charge to re-shape a sand bottom (18x36) when installing a new liner? And would you have checked that before you bid the job or add it in above the contract price after the work was already done?
WTF KSUBrian?
Sorry Johnny. I've been doing a lot of :drink: :drink: and :driving: lately and haven't been on the site to respond. Sand bottoms are the worst and if it is an in-ground pool, I personally would recommend that instead of re-shaping, the bottom be replaced with a poolcrete hard surface bottom.
I don't do the bidding and just work as a laborer for my nephew on a part-time basis. According to him, "re-shaping" a sand bottom can range from no charge above a standard installation charge to $1,000 + depending on in-ground or above ground pool, sport or diving pool, the amount of "re-shaping" required, and the expectations of the finished product by the pool owner. He attempts to determine all this in the bid process based upon discussions with the owner and visual observations. However, unless the pool is drained, the old liner removed, and the new liner in hand to install that day, there are way to many unknowns, or conditions that could change beyond his control, to provide anything more than a price quote. On all liner replacements, his practice is to provide a price quote based upon known issues with a disclaimer that if unknown issues are encountered, the owner will be consulted on recommended repairs, and the cost of those repairs, to agree on how to proceed prior to the work being completed.
From your question, I would assume you have had a bad experience with a pool service company. While there are two sides to every story, it is surprising how many times we have consulted with a pool owner that has dealt with some of the most respected pool service companies or retail stores in the KC market and what they have encountered is unbelievable and almost criminal. My nephew's goal is to be as honest and upfront as possible and provide the best possible results for the lowest cost.