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Title: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: jake4kstate on January 18, 2011, 10:22:06 PM
Idk how evrybdy here feels bout this but i really dont see why Myles n Petersen are not on the floor more.  Myles is really a pretty good ball handler and scorer, much better than i thought he would be and D-Pete is athletic as crap, the kinda athletic that we need on the floor at the 2 or 3 spot, not even against him bringing ball up court with his speed.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: michigancat on January 18, 2011, 10:27:17 PM
mainly because they don't have a clue on offense or defense.

Although, I believe driving to the rim hard without passing it to anyone is better than 95% of our half-court sets.  Their defense is bad, though.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: jake4kstate on January 18, 2011, 10:30:16 PM
the guys who do know what they doin make dumb ass decisions and havnt played that great of D lately neway(pullen)
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 19, 2011, 08:57:45 AM
the guys who do know what they doin make dumb ass decisions and havnt played that great of D lately neway(pullen)

neway for anyway amirite? fantastic economy of letters, now what are you going to do with all the extra time you saved? :love:
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: steve dave on January 19, 2011, 09:00:09 AM
I love 95 as much or more than anyone.  But, he is completely lost on the court.  Tried hard and will go 1 on 5 to the basket though....which I appreciate.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: steve dave on January 19, 2011, 09:00:27 AM
Oh, also, I hate myles
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 19, 2011, 09:00:47 AM
D-Pete has definitely been improving. How hard can it be to learn offensive sets? :ck:
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: kso_FAN on January 19, 2011, 09:02:40 AM
Oh, also, I hate myles

85.7% from 3!
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: mcmwcat on January 19, 2011, 09:03:27 AM
Peterson: most adorable on the bench and on the floor  :drool:
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: mcmwcat on January 19, 2011, 09:04:02 AM
Oh, also, I hate myles

85.7% from 3!

3pt shooting is not the problem for these Quatz
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: steve dave on January 19, 2011, 09:07:57 AM
D-Pete has definitely been improving. How hard can it be to learn offensive sets? :ck:

How hard is it to get qualified to attend Kansas State University with 3 years to work on it post high school?
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: Sugar Dick on January 19, 2011, 09:08:48 AM
mainly because they don't have a clue on offense or defense.

Although, I believe driving to the rim hard without passing it to anyone is better than 95% of our half-court sets.  Their defense is bad, though.

My thoughts exactly.  Those dudes catch the ball on Offense, look around for about 2 seconds, then take it to the rack.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: kso_FAN on January 19, 2011, 09:09:16 AM
D-Pete has definitely been improving. How hard can it be to learn offensive sets? :ck:

How hard is it to get qualified to attend Kansas State University with 3 years to work on it post high school?

Plus: offense is not 95's main problem.  
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: michigancat on January 19, 2011, 09:17:55 AM
My thoughts exactly.  Those dudes catch the ball on Offense, look around for about 2 seconds, then take it to the rack.

Which is pretty awesome.

And how long do people have to watch Frank Martin basketball to understand that guards (esp. Pullen) aren't failing if they "get beat" off the dribble?  It's the help defense that's failing.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: kso_FAN on January 19, 2011, 09:24:45 AM
My thoughts exactly.  Those dudes catch the ball on Offense, look around for about 2 seconds, then take it to the rack.

Which is pretty awesome.

And how long do people have to watch Frank Martin basketball to understand that guards (esp. Pullen) aren't failing if they "get beat" off the dribble?  It's the help defense that's failing.

Yeah.  Frank really gets on the guards for two things; not being in help position/seeing the ball (while playing ridiculous deny defense, very hard to do) and losing your man/not moving quick enough to contest 3 PT shots.  But if you pressure and get beat, he gets ticked at the bigs (or other guards) 90% of the time.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: Sugar Dick on January 19, 2011, 09:31:46 AM
And how long do people have to watch Frank Martin basketball to understand that guards (esp. Pullen) aren't failing if they "get beat" off the dribble?  It's the help defense that's failing.

I hate it when people complain, "we shouldn't guard them out there, they won't shoot it from that far away".  Our help defense has been atrocious this year, and I can't figure out why.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 19, 2011, 09:42:23 AM
And how long do people have to watch Frank Martin basketball to understand that guards (esp. Pullen) aren't failing if they "get beat" off the dribble?  It's the help defense that's failing.

I hate it when people complain, "we shouldn't guard them out there, they won't shoot it from that far away".  Our help defense has been atrocious this year, and I can't figure out why.

Don't feel too bad. Frank can't figure out why either.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: kso_FAN on January 19, 2011, 09:51:56 AM
And how long do people have to watch Frank Martin basketball to understand that guards (esp. Pullen) aren't failing if they "get beat" off the dribble?  It's the help defense that's failing.

I hate it when people complain, "we shouldn't guard them out there, they won't shoot it from that far away".  Our help defense has been atrocious this year, and I can't figure out why.

Because there isn't just one way to rotate your help defensively or who you rotate off of, and in high level college basketball you have to vary your rotations.  If teams figure out how you rotate defensively (or who you rotate off of), especially when you are as agressive as we are, then they will find ways to isolate your poor defenders and create favorable match-ups.  Your rotations for help can't be predictable.  We have enough young guards that we haven't been able to become consistent in this and it leads to many of the breakdowns we have had.  There really are lots of layers in how we play our agressive man defense and you can't progress to the next layer if you don't master the one previous and this group has struggled with that.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: Benja on January 19, 2011, 12:06:25 PM
95's heroic drives to the basket give me hope.

You'll one day tell you grand kids stories about 95's legendary first step.

You'll point to the 95 banner up in the rafters of the OOD and tell them, "I was there".
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: sys on January 19, 2011, 02:14:01 PM
I hate it when people complain, "we shouldn't guard them out there, they won't shoot it from that far away".

http://gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/27139064
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: kso_FAN on January 19, 2011, 02:15:54 PM
I hate it when people complain, "we shouldn't guard them out there, they won't shoot it from that far away".

http://gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/27139064

Now THAT is good BBSing.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: Lefty on January 19, 2011, 09:37:33 PM
Remember when we tore Jimmer a new bad person? Remember when Clemente elbowed Jimmer's rough ridin' nose ON PURPOSE at midcourt? We were so awesome last year.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: Andy on January 21, 2011, 10:48:18 AM
Oh, also, I hate myles

85.7% from 3!

3pt shooting is not the problem for these Quatz

its been pretty terrible in our conference losses
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2011, 10:50:12 AM
Oh, also, I hate myles

85.7% from 3!

3pt shooting is not the problem for these Quatz

its been pretty terrible in our conference losses

Its been a major component of every loss except CU.  CU was our only loss in which we hit better than 29% from 3.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 21, 2011, 10:51:53 AM
Oh, also, I hate myles

85.7% from 3!

3pt shooting is not the problem for these Quatz

its been pretty terrible in our conference losses

Its been a major component of every loss except CU.  CU was our only loss in which we hit better than 29% from 3.

 :gocho:
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 21, 2011, 10:54:04 AM
Oh, also, I hate myles

85.7% from 3!

3pt shooting is not the problem for these Quatz

its been pretty terrible in our conference losses

Its been a major component of every loss except CU.  CU was our only loss in which we hit better than 29% from 3.

Fool's gold, indeed.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: catzacker on January 21, 2011, 11:05:16 AM
My thoughts exactly.  Those dudes catch the ball on Offense, look around for about 2 seconds, then take it to the rack.

Which is pretty awesome.

And how long do people have to watch Frank Martin basketball to understand that guards (esp. Pullen) aren't failing if they "get beat" off the dribble?  It's the help defense that's failing.

If I'm not mistaken, it's "ok" from a help perspective if our guards get "beat", however they (the guards) are supposed to force the driver to a certain spot, basically ourside or parallel to the FT lane.   it appears that our guards problem is that they are getting beat right towards the rim, or inside the lane, imo.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: kstatefreak42 on January 21, 2011, 07:35:57 PM
95 has to play more.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: MakeItRain on January 22, 2011, 01:38:44 AM
My thoughts exactly.  Those dudes catch the ball on Offense, look around for about 2 seconds, then take it to the rack.

Which is pretty awesome.

And how long do people have to watch Frank Martin basketball to understand that guards (esp. Pullen) aren't failing if they "get beat" off the dribble?  It's the help defense that's failing.

If I'm not mistaken, it's "ok" from a help perspective if our guards get "beat", however they (the guards) are supposed to force the driver to a certain spot, basically ourside or parallel to the FT lane.   it appears that our guards problem is that they are getting beat right towards the rim, or inside the lane, imo.

This is somewhat correct.  Coaches do sometimes gameplan to overplay a player a certain way and they obviously get pissed when a player screws up the scout and allows a ball handler on a part of the court that a coach is trying to prevent.  However, if you get beat at this level it's going to be in the lane.  This is Frank keeps talking about a shot blocker and "having Curtis back there."  Really important for the guard who got beat to rotate to the wing to prevent a three point bomb.  This is why we have some nights where we get beat by Levi Knudson, Phil Pressey, and Alan Voskuil.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: Bookcat on January 22, 2011, 07:19:31 AM
we're not bitching about free throws anymore...

so, Frank at least fixed that.
Title: Re: Juevol/D-Pete
Post by: kso_FAN on January 22, 2011, 11:33:11 AM
we're not bitching about free throws anymore...

so, Frank at least fixed that.

73.3% in conference play with a 42.3% FT rate.