Post by: steve dave on August 24, 2011, 05:49:27 PM
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Post by: pike on August 24, 2011, 05:51:21 PM
Post by: wetwillie on August 24, 2011, 05:51:49 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 24, 2011, 06:18:58 PM
Post by: JavaCat on August 24, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on August 24, 2011, 06:35:59 PM
he's going to die soon :frown:
Yep, :cry:
Post by: ew2x4 on August 24, 2011, 06:38:35 PM
Post by: 06wildcat on August 24, 2011, 06:39:21 PM
Watching their stock is going to be fun. :gocho:
Down 5 percent after hours :barf:
Might pick up some more though, he hasn't exactly been running the day-to-day for a while. And Apple is sitting on an assload of cash right now.
Post by: chum1 on August 24, 2011, 06:58:10 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 24, 2011, 07:07:30 PM
Do you think he's sick?
He's had pancreatic cancer for the past couple years
Post by: Kat Kid on August 24, 2011, 07:13:39 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on August 24, 2011, 09:05:18 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 25, 2011, 05:34:19 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 25, 2011, 05:53:59 PM
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/8/24/2383035/with-steve-jobs-stepping-down-as-the-leader-of-the-free-world-apple-a
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/211970/ronpforapple.jpg)
:lol:
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 25, 2011, 07:33:56 PM
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/8/24/2383035/with-steve-jobs-stepping-down-as-the-leader-of-the-free-world-apple-a
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/211970/ronpforapple.jpg)
:lol:
it's kind of a tragedy we went from the entertainment of Ron, to the boring of snyder.
Oh well. It is nice to smash KU once again.
Post by: pissclams on August 25, 2011, 08:01:38 PM
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/8/24/2383035/with-steve-jobs-stepping-down-as-the-leader-of-the-free-world-apple-a
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/211970/ronpforapple.jpg)
:lol:
it's kind of a tragedy we went from the entertainment of Ron, to the boring of snyder.
Oh well. It is nice to smash KU once again.
Quote from: K. Heirbstreight ESPN
and OU
:fatty:
Post by: FP TC etc. on August 26, 2011, 06:21:49 PM
:horrorsurprise:
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 26, 2011, 06:22:23 PM
Post by: Cire on August 26, 2011, 06:59:10 PM
Post by: Tobias on August 26, 2011, 07:56:18 PM
if that isn't photoshopped then i can't wait to see that episode of intervention
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 05, 2011, 06:40:27 PM
Post by: Tobias on October 05, 2011, 06:52:33 PM
:frown:
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 05, 2011, 06:56:45 PM
Post by: hemmy on October 05, 2011, 06:59:18 PM
Post by: kim carnes on October 05, 2011, 07:02:07 PM
I don't konw why you guys are sad, the guy was a genuine bad person and a prick. This is karma right here.
oh really, you knew him?
Post by: Tobias on October 05, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
I don't konw why you guys are sad, the guy was a genuine bad person and a prick. This is karma right here.
oh really, you knew him?
jfc according to facebook everyone i know must be related to him or something :jerk:
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 05, 2011, 07:05:15 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 05, 2011, 08:00:44 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 05, 2011, 08:14:06 PM
I don't konw why you guys are sad, the guy was a genuine bad person and a prick. This is karma right here.
oh really, you knew him?
Didn't know Hitler, either YFF.
Post by: EllToPay on October 05, 2011, 08:14:20 PM
Post by: Saulbadguy on October 05, 2011, 08:41:30 PM
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Post by: Pete on October 05, 2011, 08:41:36 PM
any correlation between macs and cancer?
Only direct.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 05, 2011, 08:43:19 PM
Post by: fatty fat fat on October 05, 2011, 09:27:27 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 05, 2011, 09:32:36 PM
Post by: chum1 on October 05, 2011, 09:38:56 PM
why does one get that thin? is it just that the cancer cells just suck all the energy in your body? are they very inefficient or something?
More digestive system failure related, I'm guessing. As soon as someone starts looking skeletal like that, you know they don't have long.
Post by: fatty fat fat on October 05, 2011, 09:42:44 PM
Post by: jtksu on October 05, 2011, 09:47:04 PM
Post by: fatty fat fat on October 05, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
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For a long time, scientists believed that cancer would soak up all the incoming nutrients to fuel its own growth and thereby starve the rest of the body. This theory proved to be unlikely, however. Even small tumors, that comprise less than five percent of the patients weight, can cause cachexia. Furthermore, cachexia can be seen in cancer patients receiving excess calories intravenously.
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Recent data proved these substances are cytokines, such as tumor necrosis factor alpha, interferon gamma, cachectin, interleukin 1 and interleukin 6. In fact, when these cytokines are injected into healthy animals, cachexia may ensue.
looks like it f*cks with your immune system or something. interesting. why am i an engineer? :frown:
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 05, 2011, 09:52:32 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 05, 2011, 09:53:12 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 05, 2011, 09:54:10 PM
Post by: fatty fat fat on October 05, 2011, 09:55:32 PM
lol at fatty asking questions that he already more/less knew the answer to. also, what's my favorite number?
not true rick. just not true. in fact, i realized i was wrong.
Oh well. I guess science/learning time is over. :blank:
Post by: CHONGS on October 05, 2011, 09:58:02 PM
It's never over!lol at fatty asking questions that he already more/less knew the answer to. also, what's my favorite number?
not true rick. just not true. in fact, i realized i was wrong.
Oh well. I guess science/learning time is over. :blank:
Post by: kim carnes on October 05, 2011, 09:59:49 PM
I don't konw why you guys are sad, the guy was a genuine bad person and a prick. This is karma right here.
oh really, you knew him?
Didn't know Hitler, either YFF.
Oh, so you didn't know him. I see.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on October 05, 2011, 10:05:09 PM
lol at fatty asking questions that he already more/less knew the answer to. also, what's my favorite number?
not true rick. just not true. in fact, i realized i was wrong.
Oh well. I guess science/learning time is over. :blank:
why does one get that thin? is it just that the cancer cells just suck all the energy in your body? are they very inefficient or something?
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cachia or something?
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For a long time, scientists believed that cancer would soak up all the incoming nutrients to fuel its own growth and thereby starve the rest of the body. This theory proved to be unlikely, however. Even small tumors, that comprise less than five percent of the patients weight, can cause cachexia. Furthermore, cachexia can be seen in cancer patients receiving excess calories intravenously.
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honestly you should just go into medicine or something else that is interesting to you. even if you don't start working in your field until you are thirty five, you still have the next thirty years of your life to do it. worth giving up five years here or there to get into something that is interesting to you. thirty years is a long time. whatever though.
Post by: fatty fat fat on October 05, 2011, 10:09:25 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on October 05, 2011, 10:16:20 PM
Thanks rick. Go cats.
Listen to rick. Also listen to me. Most importantly, listen to your heart. Go cats.
Post by: pissclams on October 05, 2011, 10:56:40 PM
Thanks rick. Go cats.
maybe it's time for another RAB discussoPAK
Post by: EMAWgeddon on October 06, 2011, 07:35:30 AM
It's never over!lol at fatty asking questions that he already more/less knew the answer to. also, what's my favorite number?
not true rick. just not true. in fact, i realized i was wrong.
Oh well. I guess science/learning time is over. :blank:
:dubious:
Post by: pissclams on October 06, 2011, 08:02:56 AM
why does one get that thin? is it just that the cancer cells just suck all the energy in your body? are they very inefficient or something?
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2008/06/13/steve-jobs-life-after-the-whipple/
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 06, 2011, 08:56:27 AM
Post by: AppleJack on October 06, 2011, 09:39:30 AM
Post by: fatty fat fat on October 06, 2011, 10:54:33 AM
I would like to thank him for my MacBook Pro - the greatest invention the world has ever seen.
why so? it's very expensive.
Post by: Saulbadguy on October 06, 2011, 10:54:56 AM
:lol:I would like to thank him for my MacBook Pro - the greatest invention the world has ever seen.
why so? it's very expensive.
Post by: AbeFroman on October 06, 2011, 11:59:11 AM
Post by: steve dave on October 06, 2011, 12:01:02 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 06, 2011, 12:01:52 PM
ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
:facepalm:
Post by: fatty fat fat on October 06, 2011, 12:15:37 PM
ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
well, alot of it has to do with the way he died.
Cancer is totally in right now.
Post by: steve dave on October 06, 2011, 12:17:28 PM
ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
well, alot of it has to do with the way he died.
Cancer is totally in right now.
congrats trim
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 06, 2011, 12:33:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/8rwsuXHA7RA?version=3&hl=en_US
Post by: AbeFroman on October 06, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
:facepalm:
u mad?
Post by: steve dave on October 06, 2011, 01:04:55 PM
Post by: Trim on October 06, 2011, 01:17:09 PM
ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
well, alot of it has to do with the way he died.
Cancer is totally in right now.
congrats trim
:gocho:
Post by: pissclams on October 06, 2011, 01:33:36 PM
no. you look really stupid minimizing what he did at apple by simply calling him the owner of the company. but that's your prerogative.ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
:facepalm:
u mad?
Post by: chum1 on October 06, 2011, 03:15:19 PM
Post by: ew2x4 on October 06, 2011, 05:19:32 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on October 06, 2011, 05:21:06 PM
comparisons to edison and einstein? okay, that's it. eff him.
I just saw an article thanking him for Woody and Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, Steve Jobs thought up Toy Story by himself. In fact he even drew the whole rough ridin' trilogy by hand, didn't even have to use any computers for it.
Post by: steve dave on October 06, 2011, 05:23:09 PM
comparisons to edison and einstein? okay, that's it. eff him.
I just saw an article thanking him for Woody and Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, Steve Jobs thought up Toy Story by himself. In fact he even drew the whole rough ridin' trilogy by hand, didn't even have to use any computers for it.
why does this stuff piss people off so much? do you think Walt Disney did all of that for everything from the mouse to the slutty mermaid?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 06, 2011, 05:24:17 PM
comparisons to edison and einstein? okay, that's it. eff him.
I just saw an article thanking him for Woody and Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, Steve Jobs thought up Toy Story by himself. In fact he even drew the whole rough ridin' trilogy by hand, didn't even have to use any computers for it.
do you think Walt Disney did all of that for everything from the mouse to the slutty mermaid?
that point will be valid once i start seeing Walt Disney statuses.
Post by: steve dave on October 06, 2011, 05:25:17 PM
comparisons to edison and einstein? okay, that's it. eff him.
I just saw an article thanking him for Woody and Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, Steve Jobs thought up Toy Story by himself. In fact he even drew the whole rough ridin' trilogy by hand, didn't even have to use any computers for it.
do you think Walt Disney did all of that for everything from the mouse to the slutty mermaid?
that point will be valid once i start seeing Walt Disney statuses.
do you not think you would have been whenever he was alive/died? The fact remains, he was ultimately the most responsible person for all of them. eff, I don't even know what Jobs' relationship with Pixar was but if he was head crap or something he deserves the rec. Lea Iacoca (no idea on spelling) gets all the pub for the Mustang for eff sakes.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 06, 2011, 05:28:48 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 06, 2011, 05:28:57 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 06, 2011, 05:31:10 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 06, 2011, 05:31:55 PM
Jobs owned Pixar after getting fired from Apple.
welp, sounds like he deserves the pub then.
Post by: Pete on October 06, 2011, 05:32:30 PM
Jobs owned Pixar after getting fired from Apple.
He'll be missed. I wish I had known him.
Post by: Brock Landers on October 06, 2011, 05:37:33 PM
comparisons to edison and einstein? okay, that's it. eff him.
I just saw an article thanking him for Woody and Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, Steve Jobs thought up Toy Story by himself. In fact he even drew the whole rough ridin' trilogy by hand, didn't even have to use any computers for it.
why does this stuff piss people off so much? do you think Walt Disney did all of that for everything from the mouse to the slutty mermaid?
It doesn't piss me off at all but I am laughing at some of the praise being heaped on him. If I saw Walt Disney's frozen head I actually would thank him for somehow enabling a crew of animators to perve out on a mermaid.
Post by: chum1 on October 06, 2011, 05:42:35 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 06, 2011, 05:47:42 PM
i don't know why people get pissed off about notre dame being spoken of like they're god's gift to football either. but eff notre dame.
yeah, the popular kids are assholes
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 07, 2011, 10:46:25 AM
Post by: ew2x4 on October 07, 2011, 11:20:57 AM
Post by: theKSU on October 07, 2011, 11:42:42 AM
The point is most everything he touched turned to Gold. A pretty amazing feat.
Post by: pissclams on October 07, 2011, 12:39:16 PM
Post by: jtksu on October 07, 2011, 12:45:53 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2015, 09:32:20 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 19, 2015, 09:34:28 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 19, 2015, 09:35:10 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 19, 2015, 09:35:58 PM
Sorry to hear that wacky, this is a steve jobs thread though. You might have more luck in the layoffs thread.
THATS OUR WACKY :lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2015, 09:36:56 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on February 19, 2015, 09:37:19 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 19, 2015, 09:38:47 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2015, 09:39:24 PM
guess you shouldn't have used his coffee maker...Same department. :surprised:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2015, 09:40:21 PM
WC is this going to hurt the future plans timeline with ms. WC08?Yup.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 19, 2015, 09:42:05 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2015, 09:44:33 PM
Post by: sys on February 19, 2015, 09:49:50 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2015, 09:51:03 PM
:lol:Congrats, bud!
Post by: The Big Train on February 19, 2015, 09:52:10 PM
hope the job search is quick and results in a good position.
Post by: Cire on February 19, 2015, 09:53:45 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2015, 09:53:59 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2015, 09:56:01 PM
I bet cerner is hiringI have contacts there, but I've never heard back. Great company tho.
Post by: wetwillie on February 19, 2015, 10:02:41 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2015, 10:04:41 PM
Post by: puniraptor on February 19, 2015, 10:05:46 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2015, 10:10:33 PM
sorry to hear bud, but i have to think this is a good thing in the long run. now you can badmouth that vulture company and tell us how predatory it really is.
Post by: Trim on February 19, 2015, 10:15:24 PM
ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
well, alot of it has to do with the way he died.
Cancer is totally in right now.
congrats trim
:gocho:
:sdeek:
Post by: michigancat on February 19, 2015, 10:15:48 PM
Sorry about the news, but you should have been looking for a job when I told you to a long ass time ago.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2015, 10:19:30 PM
Wacky would be an amazing uberx driver and I think he'd really enjoy it, too.Yes. Definitely.
Sorry about the news, but you should have been looking for a job when I told you to a long ass time ago.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 19, 2015, 10:21:53 PM
driving for uber is a great idea if you have a decent car (i dunno what wackycat08 is driving these days)They're will be great stories to be told some day.
sorry to hear bud, but i have to think this is a good thing in the long run. now you can badmouth that vulture company and tell us how predatory it really is.
Post by: sys on February 19, 2015, 10:57:40 PM
:lol:Congrats, bud!
i thought about not posting anything mean, but i decided that you posting in the wrong thread gave me the cover i needed.
Post by: WonderMeal on February 20, 2015, 06:34:14 AM
HE INVENTED THE MOUSE!!!
Xerox invented the Mouse.
Four Pinnochios! Give some love to Dougie Engelbart.
http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/of-mice-and-men/ (http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/of-mice-and-men/)
Post by: EMAWmeister on February 20, 2015, 08:39:13 AM
WC is this going to hurt the future plans timeline with ms. WC08?Yup.
:frown:
Keep your head up, friend. You'll be okay. I'll keep an ear to the ground for ya.
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2015, 08:40:03 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on February 20, 2015, 08:41:56 AM
Post by: Boom Roasted on February 20, 2015, 10:34:45 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on February 20, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2015, 10:47:55 AM
Be careful with your insurance on the uber driving. Your insurer may have the ability to deny any claims(even if on road trip with mrs WC) if your have been or are using your car for commercial purposes.
no negative consequences :blindfold:
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on February 20, 2015, 11:23:12 AM
drive for uberx if you can while youre looking. you wont have the best hours but youll make decent money while you double dip and find another job.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 20, 2015, 01:12:13 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2015, 01:15:24 PM
Thanks guys! My manager andI got a long really well and he's already reached out to a few companies where he has connections and I have a few interviews lined up on Monday already. Live and learn I guess. It's only a 2 week severance ftr.Don't work in that industry again
Post by: Spracne on February 20, 2015, 01:15:58 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2015, 01:16:12 PM
Post by: meow meow on February 20, 2015, 01:17:33 PM
Post by: Boom Roasted on February 20, 2015, 01:18:38 PM
Post by: CNS on February 20, 2015, 01:29:29 PM
Post by: mocat on February 20, 2015, 01:44:20 PM
Agreed, this might just be a blessing in the skies.
it's a blessing in da skies, mon (cool fannings quote)
Post by: OK_Cat on February 20, 2015, 02:15:05 PM
Post by: hemmy on February 20, 2015, 03:28:38 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on February 20, 2015, 03:34:00 PM
why does wacky keep getting let go? theories?
don't be a jackass.
Post by: Brock Landers on February 20, 2015, 03:34:22 PM
why does wacky keep getting let go? theories?
Perhaps it's his lack of attention to detail such as posting about his job status in a thread about Steve Jobs :D
Post by: CNS on February 20, 2015, 03:51:05 PM
why does wacky keep getting let go? theories?
Perhaps it's his lack of attention to detail such as posting about his job status in a thread about Steve Jobs :D
Maybe he is super busy at work and doesn't like to spend too much time checking BBS details that mean crap? Speaking generally, not specifically, since he isn't at work now.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 20, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
Post by: hemmy on February 20, 2015, 03:55:14 PM
guys knock it off sheesh
We are giving life advice, chillax.
Post by: CNS on February 20, 2015, 04:00:07 PM
guys knock it off sheesh
Mine was a defense, not meant to be snark. I think it ridic that someone's BBS effort be thought to reflect their actual make-money work ethic.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 20, 2015, 04:03:26 PM
Post by: sys on February 20, 2015, 04:05:20 PM
why does wacky keep getting let go? theories?
Perhaps it's his lack of attention to detail such as posting about his job status in a thread about Steve Jobs :D
that's an interesting hypothesis, brock landers.
Post by: Brock Landers on February 20, 2015, 04:08:01 PM
Post by: hemmy on February 20, 2015, 04:10:13 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 20, 2015, 04:13:45 PM
Post by: CNS on February 20, 2015, 04:15:20 PM
Post by: sys on February 20, 2015, 04:29:44 PM
Fanman is down. No reason to kick. An upbeat Fanman is pretty integral to what goes on around here.
he's a cancer.
Post by: slobber on February 20, 2015, 11:15:18 PM
Wacky, get out there and find a great job. I think you knew all along that this last job was just a paycheck. Working for a paycheck sucks balls. Wake up tomorrow and write your old company a letter thanking them for paying you for an extra two weeks while you go out and find something that can become a career that you enjoy and not just a paycheck that leads to a better paycheck.
Who gives a crap about getting let go in a downsizing? That happens quite a bit. Keep your head up! :lynchmob:
Post by: chum1 on February 20, 2015, 11:21:28 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 21, 2015, 11:52:50 AM
Hard to believe that Steve has been gone for over 3 years.Thanks, bud!
Wacky, get out there and find a great job. I think you knew all along that this last job was just a paycheck. Working for a paycheck sucks balls. Wake up tomorrow and write your old company a letter thanking them for paying you for an extra two weeks while you go out and find something that can become a career that you enjoy and not just a paycheck that leads to a better paycheck.
Who gives a crap about getting let go in a downsizing? That happens quite a bit. Keep your head up! :lynchmob:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 21, 2015, 12:19:36 PM
What is it you think you bring to this board?Fanman is down. No reason to kick. An upbeat Fanman is pretty integral to what goes on around here.
he's a cancer.
Post by: sys on February 21, 2015, 03:15:20 PM
What is it you think you bring to this board?
for one thing, i attack you every once in a while.
Post by: ChiComCat on February 21, 2015, 03:27:21 PM
#blessedWhat is it you think you bring to this board?
for one thing, i attack you every once in a while.
Post by: JohnCurrie is Weird/Gross on March 07, 2015, 10:31:29 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 07, 2015, 10:39:03 PM
Post by: slobber on March 07, 2015, 11:06:19 PM
Post by: ShellShock on June 23, 2015, 07:37:21 AM
If you currently have a job that you like going to and like the people at, what type of pay increase does it take for you to change jobs for more opportunity? I'm stuck in a pickle at my current job and am intrigued by another opportunity, both in the engineering field. The job i'm at pays average and it's a semi-slow advancement path, purely because the quantity of people and how the business works. The new opportunity would have quite a bit more potential for growth and career advancement but the culture is way different and I won't know anyone over there. In simple terms, it's like going from the environment of current day Google to the environment of 90's IBM...flex time, casual office, etc.
Thoughts?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 23, 2015, 07:58:18 AM
That said, somebody did some study that lots of people are referencing these days that says once you make over $75k the correlation between pay increase and happiness/quality of life kind of plateaus.
Post by: steve dave on June 23, 2015, 07:59:20 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 08:23:55 AM
Question for the faithful gE community:That kind of seems like a no brainer, but you should at least shoot for a 20% raise.
If you currently have a job that you like going to and like the people at, what type of pay increase does it take for you to change jobs for more opportunity? I'm stuck in a pickle at my current job and am intrigued by another opportunity, both in the engineering field. The job i'm at pays average and it's a semi-slow advancement path, purely because the quantity of people and how the business works. The new opportunity would have quite a bit more potential for growth and career advancement but the culture is way different and I won't know anyone over there. In simple terms, it's like going from the environment of current day Google to the environment of 90's IBM...flex time, casual office, etc.
Thoughts?
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 08:24:41 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 08:26:25 AM
wait, I may have misread
Post by: CNS on June 23, 2015, 09:02:08 AM
How likely is it you could get back to your current job in a year if you don't like the other one?
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on June 23, 2015, 09:09:37 AM
Post by: ShellShock on June 23, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
For a move to be worth your while, and you are leaving your current job of your own volition, I think it takes the total package (salary, benefits, etc.) to be at least a 10% bump. This could be offset by signing bonuses or if you're just like really geeked about the new gig.
That said, somebody did some study that lots of people are referencing these days that says once you make over $75k the correlation between pay increase and happiness/quality of life kind of plateaus.
I currently make over $75k, so this is definitely good info. Do you know which study it is by chance? I'd like to read it. I have read that after $75k, responsibility and expected employee ROI increases exponentially.
I read this as currently having the laid back atmosphere with flex time and stuff. Correct? If so, it would have to be a pretty big raise for me to jump, assuming I was already making decent money.
How likely is it you could get back to your current job in a year if you don't like the other one?
Currently I can wear whatever I want to work and it's very laid back. The company i'd move to would be more old school suit/tie type place. Not a huge issue to wear nicer things for me, but sometimes with that kind of culture change, there are other issues that arise and the company "feel" isn't productive anymore. The jump would be about a 30% base salary move but there are some unknowns to the equation on the new employer end.
The million dollar question of whether I can switch back to my current company if the new one doesn't work out is a tricky one. I'd like to think that I could, but at the same time, my current employer could just say F you out of spite alone.
Post by: ShellShock on June 23, 2015, 09:19:24 AM
go work for Apple
If I could do engineering for Apple from Kansas City, sign me up. I think they're a great company, but no way in hell i'm moving to Cali...
Post by: Tobias on June 23, 2015, 09:21:03 AM
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on June 23, 2015, 09:23:34 AM
Post by: ShellShock on June 23, 2015, 09:28:01 AM
you seem like an old school suit/tie type guy
I am an old school suit/tie type guy and that doesn't bother me one bit. It's the culture and environment that suits/ties bring with them that is the question mark.
just go work for burns and mac, dude.
Not B&M. I've heard horror stories from over there...this is a much smaller firm that i'm looking at.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on June 23, 2015, 09:35:01 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 09:41:07 AM
Post by: ShellShock on June 23, 2015, 09:46:44 AM
the first thing you need to do is sit down and decide whether you currently make enough money. basically, is what you make enough for you to be happy. if your answer is yes then i would advise not to leave. if your answer is no, then yeah you might as well go ahead and take this one.
Great advice here. Thanks RD!
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 23, 2015, 10:02:51 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on June 23, 2015, 10:07:31 AM
There's no dollar sign on peace of mind.
but if he feels like he has to make more money, then he doesn't have peace of mind. it will continue to bug him and he'll eventually jump anyway, so why not just jump now?
for me personally, i decided a while ago that i make enough. could i make more by taking some other job? i mean i guess, but i don't dislike my current job. also, my current house is nice enough and i live in a town and neighborhood i like so why bother?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 23, 2015, 10:32:10 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 23, 2015, 10:38:24 AM
I'd say, besides the money side, you should consider where you want your career to go and whether you can get there by staying in your current job.
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 10:42:30 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 23, 2015, 10:43:24 AM
Important posters, what types of jobs do you have? I only know of cops and lawyers, is that all K-State is good for?Oh, man. I'd be the worst cop ever. I'd think everyone had a gun and I'd just start popping shots on every random speeding ticket.
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 23, 2015, 10:52:15 AM
There's no dollar sign on peace of mind.
but if he feels like he has no make more money, then he doesn't have peace of mind. it will continue to bug him and he'll eventually jump anyway, so why not just jump now?
for me personally, i decided a while ago that i make enough. could i make more by taking some other job? i mean i guess, but i don't dislike my current job. also, my current house is nice enough and i live in a town and neighborhood i like so why bother?
Everything in life has a price.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 11:00:43 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 23, 2015, 11:37:41 AM
For a move to be worth your while, and you are leaving your current job of your own volition, I think it takes the total package (salary, benefits, etc.) to be at least a 10% bump. This could be offset by signing bonuses or if you're just like really geeked about the new gig.
That said, somebody did some study that lots of people are referencing these days that says once you make over $75k the correlation between pay increase and happiness/quality of life kind of plateaus.
I currently make over $75k, so this is definitely good info. Do you know which study it is by chance? I'd like to read it. I have read that after $75k, responsibility and expected employee ROI increases exponentially.I read this as currently having the laid back atmosphere with flex time and stuff. Correct? If so, it would have to be a pretty big raise for me to jump, assuming I was already making decent money.
How likely is it you could get back to your current job in a year if you don't like the other one?
Currently I can wear whatever I want to work and it's very laid back. The company i'd move to would be more old school suit/tie type place. Not a huge issue to wear nicer things for me, but sometimes with that kind of culture change, there are other issues that arise and the company "feel" isn't productive anymore. The jump would be about a 30% base salary move but there are some unknowns to the equation on the new employer end.
The million dollar question of whether I can switch back to my current company if the new one doesn't work out is a tricky one. I'd like to think that I could, but at the same time, my current employer could just say F you out of spite alone.
http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2010/09/07/the-perfect-salary-for-happiness-75000-a-year/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2010/09/07/the-perfect-salary-for-happiness-75000-a-year/)
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 23, 2015, 01:28:06 PM
Post by: CNS on June 23, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on June 23, 2015, 02:20:10 PM
Unless you are a workaholic, just absolutely love your job, or are super passionate about the service/product you provide, I think it is best to make enough money and find a good hobby, be involved with your family, and voluneer/etc. The job with flexibility, good vacation, and that doesn't make you work more than like 45hrs/week is the best way to go, imo. Find that with the right salary and it is pretty great.
Yup, there's more to life than work. My boss finally figured that out after his divorce.
Post by: slobber on June 23, 2015, 06:28:15 PM
There is obviously some dissatisfaction with shell's current position, or he wouldn't have gotten to a point where he was offered a job.this is not true.
My opinion wrt salary is that I would never leave a company/job I like for less than 15%. I would never leave for a new job/company that I didn't feel I would be able to like. Culture is a big part of that.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 25, 2015, 01:42:18 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 25, 2015, 01:43:26 PM
I'm starting to consider looking for jobs outside of KC. Denver, Dallas, somewhere different. It's weird tho. Now it's even harder, because Ms. wacky would have to find a new job too.
you could just find her a new job and you could be a stay at home dad raising the babies
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 25, 2015, 01:45:51 PM
Would take. It's sad, for profit schools have ruined my career. I'm striking out a lot on decent jobs.I'm starting to consider looking for jobs outside of KC. Denver, Dallas, somewhere different. It's weird tho. Now it's even harder, because Ms. wacky would have to find a new job too.
you could just find her a new job and you could be a stay at home dad raising the babies
Post by: Tobias on June 25, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 25, 2015, 01:48:58 PM
can ms wacky not transfer to the same/similar job in a different UA office?It's a weird setup, she technically works for gear for sports, but specializes in their UA golf department. Gear for sports corporate is here in KC, so I don't think so. I want her to keep that job too. I think it's super cool what she gets to do. She just had a couple photos taken with Spieth at the office yesterday. I mean, what in the world?!!
Post by: Tobias on June 25, 2015, 01:49:38 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 25, 2015, 01:51:46 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 25, 2015, 02:28:09 PM
Post by: CNS on June 25, 2015, 02:31:09 PM
Basically, if you want to get out of KC, get out now because it won't get any easier than it is now.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 25, 2015, 02:42:57 PM
Post by: CNS on June 25, 2015, 03:04:03 PM
Yeah, also, I love her family, but it's huge and this might be selfish of me, but we have plans every weekend with them. Kids bday, wedding, etc. I've worked 6 Saturday's in a row and now I have to run to another family event. Yikes! Make it stop.
Add monthly long drives into that plan and you get what your life in Colorado will be. Close family won't just say oh well and stop with the plans. They will just start telling you that you never come around anymore and try to guilt you into that plane ticket often.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 25, 2015, 03:07:41 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 25, 2015, 03:14:21 PM
Post by: Tobias on June 25, 2015, 03:22:23 PM
Post by: wetwillie on June 25, 2015, 08:40:15 PM
Post by: 8manpick on June 25, 2015, 08:42:23 PM
Yeah, also, I love her family, but it's huge and this might be selfish of me, but we have plans every weekend with them. Kids bday, wedding, etc. I've worked 6 Saturday's in a row and now I have to run to another family event. Yikes! Make it stop.
Add monthly long drives into that plan and you get what your life in Colorado will be. Close family won't just say oh well and stop with the plans. They will just start telling you that you never come around anymore and try to guilt you into that plane ticket often.
She's an heiress though so plane tickets are no prob :kstategrad:
Post by: CNS on June 25, 2015, 09:27:13 PM
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Post by: slobber on June 25, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
Move to annapolis maryland. She can work at UA hq in baltimore. You can start your broadcasting career.team up with hud. Stay in kc.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 26, 2015, 01:30:27 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2015, 01:32:18 PM
I work for a school that has tech in it's letters and our computers are like from the 90's and the internet runs like the old dial up. :lol: Today, work was cancelled because somehow they shut down the power and don't know how to turn it back on. :lol:
And your job is convincing poor people that it's in their best interest to attend this school.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 26, 2015, 01:37:56 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 26, 2015, 01:39:39 PM
I'm trying to sale ppl $46,000 associate degrees when I can't find a good job with a masters. :lol:
:D
Post by: Spracne on June 26, 2015, 01:43:03 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 26, 2015, 01:44:21 PM
Post by: slobber on June 26, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
I'm trying to sale ppl $46,000 associate degrees when I can't find a good job with a masters after graduating from a school just like the one I am trying to sale them on. :lol:
Post by: slobber on June 26, 2015, 01:48:56 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 26, 2015, 01:53:08 PM
can ms wacky not transfer to the same/similar job in a different UA office?It's a weird setup, she technically works for gear for sports, but specializes in their UA golf department. Gear for sports corporate is here in KC, so I don't think so. I want her to keep that job too. I think it's super cool what she gets to do. She just had a couple photos taken with Spieth at the office yesterday. I mean, what in the world?!!
She will get sick of Gear. Everyone does
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 26, 2015, 01:54:48 PM
Post by: slobber on June 26, 2015, 02:03:43 PM
Meh. It was free, but yeah, I get it (masters from UOP). I've done really well this week. I have a few friends at good companies (like kiewit, state street, etc.) that work in their HR departments. I applied for over 35 jobs this week and I'm getting some good feedback, but some of these jobs have really shitty bases that I'm not willing to lower to. I'm just not patient.Good job!
Next week apply for 35 jobs where you don't have a good friend in HR. Cast a wider net. It would seem that applying at a place because you know somebody in HR is not a great idea to land your perfect job.
Applying for your perfect job at a place that happens to have somebody you know in HR is fortuitous.
Post by: Spracne on June 26, 2015, 02:08:38 PM
Post by: Tobias on June 26, 2015, 02:09:57 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2015, 02:11:20 PM
Post by: slobber on June 26, 2015, 02:11:52 PM
I'd look into dobber's qualifications before taking his advise. I mean, here's a guy who does not and will never have the money to buy a lake house. LtsifamTHAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!!!!
Post by: slobber on June 26, 2015, 02:12:29 PM
he has two A/C units, thoThat you know of!
Post by: Tobias on June 26, 2015, 02:12:54 PM
Post by: slobber on June 26, 2015, 02:14:11 PM
Dobber installed a drip irrigation system in his garden. That's not cheap.It's not even for a garden. It's for ornamental plants. At least a garden would cut down on my food bill. This drip irrigation system serves no purpose but to provide me aesthetic pleasure.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 26, 2015, 02:15:25 PM
Meh. It was free, but yeah, I get it (masters from UOP). I've done really well this week. I have a few friends at good companies (like kiewit, state street, etc.) that work in their HR departments. I applied for over 35 jobs this week and I'm getting some good feedback, but some of these jobs have really shitty bases that I'm not willing to lower to. I'm just not patient.
Are you applying for jobs in KC or Denver?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2015, 02:17:11 PM
Post by: slobber on June 26, 2015, 02:22:01 PM
Wacky, I'd look into taking a new job with a lower base pay, as long as it's from a reputable company that you could see a future for yourself with.I agree with this. Don't stay at a better paying-crappy job where you have the fear of getting let go nearly once a month. Go get a job that has some stability and opportunity for growth.
What would happen if you got let go today? Then that lower paying job would look pretty effing good.
Most of what people are trying to tell you applies to everyone. Nothing is really directed at you specifically, so don't take it personally (just in case you are taking it personally).
Post by: slobber on June 26, 2015, 02:29:32 PM
My bro applied for a job in an industry that he had no experience in. When he showed up for the interview, the hiring manager said, "I am going to be straight with you, this position is going to be filled from within. We have two well qualified internal candidates. That being said, I flipped through a bunch of resumes from the outside and yours is the only one that piqued my interest. I told HR I wasn't hiring anyone until I had the chance to meet you."
My bro did not have any friends in the company.
My bro spent about $1500 with a company in KC that does resumes and strength finders and such.
My bro had a really good job when he was interviewing for the new job. (he was not unemployed)
My bro got the job.
To finish this little exercise...
CASE CLOSED!
Post by: puniraptor on June 26, 2015, 02:33:25 PM
Post by: 8manpick on June 26, 2015, 02:34:08 PM
I've done really well this week. I have a few friends at good companies (like kiewit, state street, etc.)
My little bro worked there for like 3 weeks, decided it sucked ass and changed jobs immediately, FWIW
Post by: slobber on June 26, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
interesting story dobbsler. did your brother get/take the job and does he like it?Yes, he took the job and he likes it. He was wanting to do something different, but didn't want to just fall into a different position/company.
He has been there for a few years now. I know there are times that he wants to move away from corporate america, but he is happy.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 26, 2015, 02:41:21 PM
Good to know. Our friend just got promoted to VP. That's why I was considering it. Also, I've just applied to KC jobs. I'll start looking into Denver this weekend.I've done really well this week. I have a few friends at good companies (like kiewit, state street, etc.)
My little bro worked there for like 3 weeks, decided it sucked ass and changed jobs immediately, FWIW
Post by: puniraptor on June 26, 2015, 02:46:11 PM
interesting story dobbsler. did your brother get/take the job and does he like it?Yes, he took the job and he likes it. He was wanting to do something different, but didn't want to just fall into a different position/company.
He has been there for a few years now. I know there are times that he wants to move away from corporate america, but he is happy.
maybe you could post the $1500 resume and wacky or anybody else could just put their name on top
Post by: slobber on June 26, 2015, 02:50:02 PM
That is not quite how it works. He actually answered questions and took tests so the resume was a direct reflection of who he is and what he wanted to do career wise.interesting story dobbsler. did your brother get/take the job and does he like it?Yes, he took the job and he likes it. He was wanting to do something different, but didn't want to just fall into a different position/company.
He has been there for a few years now. I know there are times that he wants to move away from corporate america, but he is happy.
maybe you could post the $1500 resume and wacky or anybody else could just put their name on top
I've met Wacky and he and my bro would get along great, but they are not quite the same personality wise.
Post by: puniraptor on June 26, 2015, 02:52:01 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2015, 02:55:17 PM
Post by: slobber on June 26, 2015, 02:56:02 PM
I think $1500 is a way too much money to spend trying to get a job that will be a lateral move. Wacky should just post his resume on this thread and get advice instead.Well, that is another idea.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 26, 2015, 03:02:03 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2015, 03:04:22 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 26, 2015, 03:04:47 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 26, 2015, 03:06:27 PM
Do you have any major accomplishments career-wise?
Like chili cook off champion :cool:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 26, 2015, 03:07:24 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2015, 03:17:07 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 29, 2015, 04:16:03 PM
http://www.dose.com/lists/21795/18-Atrocious-Resumes-That-Probably-Won-t-Lead-to-a-Ton-of-Career-Opportunities-ab660-3?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Ads&utm_campaign=SaBa
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2015, 04:22:55 PM
Wacky, which one of these is your resume?lol. :shakesfist: It's not that bad. @Michigancat looked over it this weekend and gave me some great suggestions. He also didn't totally wipe out everything with red, so that's a positive.
http://www.dose.com/lists/21795/18-Atrocious-Resumes-That-Probably-Won-t-Lead-to-a-Ton-of-Career-Opportunities-ab660-3?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Ads&utm_campaign=SaBa
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2015, 04:24:27 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2015, 05:32:50 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 29, 2015, 05:55:24 PM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=12688.0
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 01, 2015, 10:51:49 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 01, 2015, 10:53:54 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 01, 2015, 10:57:38 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 01, 2015, 10:58:25 AM
Plz tell me I'm better than life insurance sales. These mofos are zapping the crap out of on LinkedIn. Massive calls ya'll
It's better than what you are doing now.
Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 01, 2015, 11:03:16 AM
This is the other one: http://kansascity.mo.bankerslife.com/
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 01, 2015, 11:05:08 AM
Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
Well, that doesn't answer if it is legal or illegal.
OK, but what if it is a situation where it's like we are going to hire someone if/when we find someone who is a good fit for the position we need - we might not ever hire someone if we don't find the right person (so therefore even the "best" candidate might not get hired if they are not the right fit for the position/company)...and English as a first language is just one of the criteria for being the right fit.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 01, 2015, 11:12:06 AM
Well, that doesn't answer if it is legal or illegal.
OK, but what if it is a situation where it's like we are going to hire someone if/when we find someone who is a good fit for the position we need - we might not ever hire someone if we don't find the right person (so therefore even the "best" candidate might not get hired if they are not the right fit for the position/company)...and English as a first language is just one of the criteria for being the right fit.
Yes, it's illegal. (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm) Your company should probably be ashamed of itself for even considering that.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 01, 2015, 11:17:31 AM
Well, that doesn't answer if it is legal or illegal.
OK, but what if it is a situation where it's like we are going to hire someone if/when we find someone who is a good fit for the position we need - we might not ever hire someone if we don't find the right person (so therefore even the "best" candidate might not get hired if they are not the right fit for the position/company)...and English as a first language is just one of the criteria for being the right fit.
Yes, it's illegal. (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm) Your company should probably be ashamed of itself for even considering that.
I said "what if". This is a totally hypothetical situation that doesn't really exist in real life (for the record).
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 01, 2015, 11:19:14 AM
Post by: ShellShock on July 01, 2015, 11:59:07 AM
Well, that doesn't answer if it is legal or illegal.
OK, but what if it is a situation where it's like we are going to hire someone if/when we find someone who is a good fit for the position we need - we might not ever hire someone if we don't find the right person (so therefore even the "best" candidate might not get hired if they are not the right fit for the position/company)...and English as a first language is just one of the criteria for being the right fit.
Yes, it's illegal. (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm) Your company should probably be ashamed of itself for even considering that.
I'm a firm believer in companies being able to hire/fire whoever they want to. The most qualified candidate might not be the best fit for your company. The fact that people get sued for this all the time is ridiculous and all these hiring rules/laws are BS in my opinion. If I own a company, I should be able to hire/fire whoever I want, whenever I want, for whatever reason I want.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 01, 2015, 12:09:36 PM
Well, that doesn't answer if it is legal or illegal.
OK, but what if it is a situation where it's like we are going to hire someone if/when we find someone who is a good fit for the position we need - we might not ever hire someone if we don't find the right person (so therefore even the "best" candidate might not get hired if they are not the right fit for the position/company)...and English as a first language is just one of the criteria for being the right fit.
Yes, it's illegal. (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm) Your company should probably be ashamed of itself for even considering that.
I'm a firm believer in companies being able to hire/fire whoever they want to. The most qualified candidate might not be the best fit for your company. The fact that people get sued for this all the time is ridiculous and all these hiring rules/laws are BS in my opinion. If I own a company, I should be able to hire/fire whoever I want, whenever I want, for whatever reason I want.
You can. You just can't tell other people why they are being fired.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 01, 2015, 01:13:22 PM
Post by: sys on July 01, 2015, 02:05:44 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 01, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
it's arguable whether you could legally discriminate against a candidate for not being a native english speaker. but if the position involves speaking english you can certainly discriminate among candidates based on english proficiency, including accent, which i'm sure is what mrs. gooch meant.
Yes, the job includes speaking to your co-workers in English, giving presentations in English, telecons in English, emailing in English....
And it is not about the fact that that are not a native English speaker, but that it is so obvious that English is not their first language because they are not speaking it correctly.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 01, 2015, 02:49:25 PM
it's arguable whether you could legally discriminate against a candidate for not being a native english speaker. but if the position involves speaking english you can certainly discriminate among candidates based on english proficiency, including accent, which i'm sure is what mrs. gooch meant.
Yes, the job includes speaking to your co-workers in English, giving presentations in English, telecons in English, emailing in English....
And it is not about the fact that that are not a native English speaker, but that it is so obvious that English is not their first language because they are not speaking it correctly.
Actually it is more of a LOL that the first thing the hiring manager says after the candidate leaves is that English is not his first language....Hypothetically.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 01, 2015, 02:56:39 PM
it's arguable whether you could legally discriminate against a candidate for not being a native english speaker. but if the position involves speaking english you can certainly discriminate among candidates based on english proficiency, including accent, which i'm sure is what mrs. gooch meant.
Yes, the job includes speaking to your co-workers in English, giving presentations in English, telecons in English, emailing in English....
And it is not about the fact that that are not a native English speaker, but that it is so obvious that English is not their first language because they are not speaking it correctly.
I think it's safe to not hire him as long as you don't tell him why you aren't hiring them. The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 01, 2015, 02:58:31 PM
it's arguable whether you could legally discriminate against a candidate for not being a native english speaker. but if the position involves speaking english you can certainly discriminate among candidates based on english proficiency, including accent, which i'm sure is what mrs. gooch meant.
Yes, the job includes speaking to your co-workers in English, giving presentations in English, telecons in English, emailing in English....
And it is not about the fact that that are not a native English speaker, but that it is so obvious that English is not their first language because they are not speaking it correctly.
I think it's safe to not hire him as long as you don't tell him why you aren't hiring them. The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
Accent isn't that same as having the incorrect sentence structure.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 01, 2015, 02:59:45 PM
it's arguable whether you could legally discriminate against a candidate for not being a native english speaker. but if the position involves speaking english you can certainly discriminate among candidates based on english proficiency, including accent, which i'm sure is what mrs. gooch meant.
Yes, the job includes speaking to your co-workers in English, giving presentations in English, telecons in English, emailing in English....
And it is not about the fact that that are not a native English speaker, but that it is so obvious that English is not their first language because they are not speaking it correctly.
I think it's safe to not hire him as long as you don't tell him why you aren't hiring them. The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
Accent isn't that same as having the incorrect sentence structure.
Well, you never mentioned that. That is not the same thing as speaking English as a second language or having an accent.
Post by: sys on July 01, 2015, 03:54:12 PM
The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
actually, it very clearly says that you can - if the accent would interfere with the applicant's job performance. accent is a part of language proficiency, it would be ludicrous to suggest that you couldn't make language proficiency a qualification for a job.
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...and is not job-related or necessary to the operation of the business.
An employer can only require an employee to speak fluent English if fluency in English is necessary to perform the job effectively. An “English-only rule”, which requires employees to speak only English on the job, is only allowed if it is needed to ensure the safe or efficient operation of the employer’s business and is put in place for nondiscriminatory reasons.
An employer may not base an employment decision on an employee’s foreign accent, unless the accent seriously interferes with the employee’s job performance.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 01, 2015, 04:07:09 PM
The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
actually, it very clearly says that you can - if the accent would interfere with the applicant's job performance. accent is a part of language proficiency, it would be ludicrous to suggest that you couldn't make language proficiency a qualification for a job.Quote...and is not job-related or necessary to the operation of the business.
An employer can only require an employee to speak fluent English if fluency in English is necessary to perform the job effectively. An “English-only rule”, which requires employees to speak only English on the job, is only allowed if it is needed to ensure the safe or efficient operation of the employer’s business and is put in place for nondiscriminatory reasons.
An employer may not base an employment decision on an employee’s foreign accent, unless the accent seriously interferes with the employee’s job performance.
Yeah, it's legal to not hire somebody because of their accent if you can justify it with a whole bunch of vaguely defined tests that may or may not hold up in court. It's quite possible that Mrs. Gooch's office already employs somebody with poor English skills (someone like WackyCat), which would make refusing to hire this guy who very likely has a better mastery of the English language less defendable.
Post by: Gooch on July 01, 2015, 04:08:39 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 01, 2015, 04:19:41 PM
Also, it is NOT me who is not hiring the guy.
Post by: Mr Bread on July 01, 2015, 04:48:29 PM
The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
actually, it very clearly says that you can - if the accent would interfere with the applicant's job performance. accent is a part of language proficiency, it would be ludicrous to suggest that you couldn't make language proficiency a qualification for a job.Quote...and is not job-related or necessary to the operation of the business.
An employer can only require an employee to speak fluent English if fluency in English is necessary to perform the job effectively. An “English-only rule”, which requires employees to speak only English on the job, is only allowed if it is needed to ensure the safe or efficient operation of the employer’s business and is put in place for nondiscriminatory reasons.
An employer may not base an employment decision on an employee’s foreign accent, unless the accent seriously interferes with the employee’s job performance.
Yeah, it's legal to not hire somebody because of their accent if you can justify it with a whole bunch of vaguely defined tests that may or may not hold up in court. It's quite possible that Mrs. Gooch's office already employs somebody with poor English skills (someone like WackyCat), which would make refusing to hire this guy who very likely has a better mastery of the English language less defendable.
if the dumbass who already works there and is terrible at speaking/writing the english language holds a different position that doesn't require it, then no it isn't that difficult to distinguish from the prospective hire if the job they want does.
get a load of captain thinks he knows what's legal and illegal over here. talking a steady stream of nonsense straight out of your bad person isn't knowing the law. sys tried to correct course on your dumbassery and you were all "nope, nope i'm rough ridin' doing this."
Post by: lopakman on July 01, 2015, 04:48:39 PM
Plz tell me I'm better than life insurance sales. These mofos are zapping the crap out of on LinkedIn. Massive calls ya'll
It's better than what you are doing now.Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
What if the job is for an English teacher?
Post by: Mr Bread on July 01, 2015, 04:49:50 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on July 01, 2015, 04:55:44 PM
I'm trying to sale ppl $46,000 associate degrees when I can't find a good job with a masters. :lol:
:D
that's my biggest pet peeve. people who can't differentiate between the usage of SELL and SALE.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 01, 2015, 05:01:10 PM
Well, how 'bout you make like a kite and sell away.I'm trying to sale ppl $46,000 associate degrees when I can't find a good job with a masters. :lol:
:D
that's my biggest pet peeve. people who can't differentiate between the usage of SELL and SALE.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 01, 2015, 05:02:11 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on July 01, 2015, 05:03:39 PM
Well, make like a kite and sell away.I'm trying to sale ppl $46,000 associate degrees when I can't find a good job with a masters. :lol:
:D
that's my biggest pet peeve. people who can't differentiate between the usage of SELL and SALE.
it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. I see it all the time on CL and Facebook, and it makes me get edgy.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 01, 2015, 05:08:03 PM
Plz tell me I'm better than life insurance sales. These mofos are zapping the crap out of on LinkedIn. Massive calls ya'll
It's better than what you are doing now.Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
What if the job is for an English teacher?
You probably had a very poor applicant pool.
Seriously, though, The best English teacher I've ever had was from India. My high school Spanish teacher's first language was English. She wasn't that great. If I were hiring an English teacher and somebody who spoke English as a second language had better experience and credentials than all of the other applicants, I'd probably hire the foreigner.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 01, 2015, 05:33:38 PM
Plz tell me I'm better than life insurance sales. These mofos are zapping the crap out of on LinkedIn. Massive calls ya'll
It's better than what you are doing now.Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
What if the job is for an English teacher?
You probably had a very poor applicant pool.
Seriously, though, The best English teacher I've ever had was from India. My high school Spanish teacher's first language was English. She wasn't that great. If I were hiring an English teacher and somebody who spoke English as a second language had better experience and credentials than all of the other applicants, I'd probably hire the foreigner.
You know those aren't synonyms, right?
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 01, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 01, 2015, 05:37:30 PM
Plz tell me I'm better than life insurance sales. These mofos are zapping the crap out of on LinkedIn. Massive calls ya'll
It's better than what you are doing now.Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
What if the job is for an English teacher?
You probably had a very poor applicant pool.
Seriously, though, The best English teacher I've ever had was from India. My high school Spanish teacher's first language was English. She wasn't that great. If I were hiring an English teacher and somebody who spoke English as a second language had better experience and credentials than all of the other applicants, I'd probably hire the foreigner.
You know those aren't synonyms, right?
Yes.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 01, 2015, 05:39:33 PM
Yeah I'm pretty sure the guy who hypothetically didn't get hired is a US Citizen (and was probably born here too).
What type of accent was it?
Post by: Trim on July 09, 2015, 12:32:47 AM
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"We were told in early June the store would be closing," Christopher and Banks manager Charnea Cecil said. "I have only been manager here for about a month and a half but did see that our store was not doing much business.
"Then people from the corporate office came in to check on the store and three hours later when they left, they called me to say the store would be closing in six weeks."
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"I was offered a job at a possible Liberal location," Cecil said, "but I don’t want to live in Liberal. I grew up here and fashion has been something I have wanted to do since I was a kid.
http://www.dodgeglobe.com/article/20150708/NEWS/150709584
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2015, 12:49:06 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 27, 2015, 12:52:38 PM
Have you guys ever done a Video interview? It's like, recorded and a computer asks you the questions. I'm doing one before work tomorrow. I'm interested to see how this thing goes. Hmmm....
That sounds weird. Never heard of it....so it is just some standard questions? It can't really follow up based on your answer, can it? Unless it is like one of those make your own adventure books. LOL
Post by: Tobias on July 27, 2015, 12:55:23 PM
Post by: The Big Train on July 27, 2015, 12:56:22 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2015, 12:56:40 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 27, 2015, 12:57:53 PM
It's weird, because I applied w/ this company a couple of months ago for another position and I came in and did a face-to-face with them. You can record your answer, delete it if you don't like your answer, and record it again. It takes about 15 minutes. I don't work till noon tomorrow, so I'll probably do it before work. It's an up and coming company out of San Fran that just posted up shop here, downtown. It should be interesting.
They are probably not really going to delete your answers and then they will keep track of how many times you re-did your answers and evaluate you that way.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2015, 12:58:18 PM
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Trust us! We realize this is a new tool and probably a new experience for you. We're not robots, and we know you are not either. If you are getting this invitation it means that we have reviewed your background, and you are seriously being considered for this opportunity.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2015, 12:58:56 PM
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A few things to keep in mind:
-Make sure you take the test questions and watch your responses.
-Confirm that your recording volume is good so we can hear you
-Each question will give you some time to prepare your answer, when you're ready click record.
Post by: The Big Train on July 27, 2015, 12:59:51 PM
Post by: The Big Train on July 27, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
Post by: The Big Train on July 27, 2015, 01:04:25 PM
Post by: The Big Train on July 27, 2015, 01:05:56 PM
idk wacky im just thinking out loud here
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2015, 01:06:47 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 27, 2015, 01:07:23 PM
Have done skype interviews before though.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 27, 2015, 01:12:48 PM
also how do they know that the person actually talking is the real one? like there could be people that could do interviews for you and you just pay them by the minute or something
But it is a video so they would know it wasn't him if he showed up at the job later...
Post by: The Big Train on July 27, 2015, 01:16:56 PM
also how do they know that the person actually talking is the real one? like there could be people that could do interviews for you and you just pay them by the minute or something
But it is a video so they would know it wasn't him if he showed up at the job later...
i wasnt saying wacky was going to do that, i was just saying that someone might do that and not think it through all the way
Post by: 8manpick on July 27, 2015, 01:32:18 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2015, 01:33:37 PM
Post by: 8manpick on July 27, 2015, 02:04:18 PM
Interesting. How did it go?
Far more awkward than a regular interview. You don't realize how much you rely on the interviewer's reactions as you answer their questions. I wouldn't sweat it too much. If they like you, you'll get a real interview.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2015, 02:04:46 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on July 27, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2015, 02:21:08 PM
Post by: The Big Train on July 27, 2015, 02:22:58 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2015, 02:24:15 PM
Post by: slobber on July 27, 2015, 02:34:46 PM
I will. I would work as a corporate recruiter and travel to college fairs to talk to people about the company. It would fit my background very well. Here goes nothing.Oh man, I hope you get this job. I cannot wait until the subsequent thread on gE reviewing the hijinks and such that ensues.
Post by: CNS on July 27, 2015, 02:45:43 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2015, 02:47:34 PM
Post by: slobber on July 27, 2015, 02:48:36 PM
FYPIs it smartIT IS rough ridin' BRILLIANT to unleash Wacky on basically every college campus, give him an expense acct, and pay him to do it?!! Man, I just don't know OF ANYTHING THAT COULD BE BETTER!!!
Post by: michigancat on July 27, 2015, 02:49:52 PM
Post by: slobber on July 27, 2015, 02:52:47 PM
Also I wouldn't see the video interview as a negative about the company, necessarily. Just about every company I've worked with experiments with new HR-related software almost constantly.Seems like an accurate statement. Might make it a positive that the company is exploring more efficient and effective ways of hiring people, which could also lead to a mindset of trying different things within the business.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 28, 2015, 08:21:21 AM
Post by: 8manpick on July 28, 2015, 11:48:58 AM
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/24/steve-jobs-resigns-as-ceo-of-apple/Just a reminder of the OP in this thread
Post by: Tobias on July 28, 2015, 11:58:36 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 28, 2015, 12:05:16 PM
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on July 28, 2015, 12:11:47 PM
lol. We changed the reasoning for this thread awhile ago. :D
we?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 28, 2015, 12:31:32 PM
Shut up, tonya.lol. We changed the reasoning for this thread awhile ago. :D
we?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 28, 2015, 12:33:29 PM
Shut up, tonya.lol. We changed the reasoning for this thread awhile ago. :D
we?
Yes!
Post by: ChiComCat on July 28, 2015, 02:37:56 PM
I did one a few years ago Wacky and it was awful. Watching pre-recorded video questions and then video recording your answer to submit back seemed like a waste of time and gave me an negative perception on the company that wanted me to interview in the first place.
My only complaint about an interview this way is that you have no social queues to indicate how you did. Voice/body language are not available to read. The HR person I talked to was really impressed with mine though.
From my experience: Write down a few anecdotes or details that you want to get in there and have them sitting just off camera but where you can see them. Try to work them in if the question allows. As you have no social queues/follow up questions to tell when a response is adequate, don't just ramble until the end of the time. You definitely don't want just use 10 seconds or so, but no need to keep going if you have nothing else to say on the subject. They will definitely do in person interviews and this is likely just to screen idiots so my goal was to give them something that stands out early, seem confident, and seem competent.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 28, 2015, 03:04:23 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 28, 2015, 03:13:41 PM
What did you wear, chicat? I'm doing mine tonight and I don't get off work till 9. Should I throw on a tie for this thing?
Yeah, but no pants. LOL
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 28, 2015, 03:18:15 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on July 28, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
Overdressing is really never a bad thing, imo. Worst case you are showing that you are making every effort and really interested. I've had people interview with me that were way overdressed and they pretty much always get the job
Post by: ChiComCat on July 28, 2015, 04:02:52 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 28, 2015, 04:11:14 PM
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on July 29, 2015, 09:02:59 AM
Post by: lopakman on July 29, 2015, 09:05:06 AM
today is my last day.
or it's the first day of the rest of your life :D
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on July 29, 2015, 09:31:16 AM
today is my last day.
or it's the first day of the rest of your life :D
possibly! im excited to go back to school. should be a nice change of pace.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 09:52:46 AM
Post by: nicname on July 29, 2015, 09:57:45 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on July 29, 2015, 10:34:35 AM
Post by: lopakman on July 29, 2015, 10:49:54 AM
I've received 3 job offers this week. It's going to be tough to decide which one to take.
That's awesome, you should take the one that will give you the most fullfillment/opportunity, and if that happens to be the one that pays the most then Heeeyyy!
Post by: CNS on July 29, 2015, 10:52:10 AM
I've received 3 job offers this week. It's going to be tough to decide which one to take.
That's awesome, you should take the one that will give you the most fullfillment/opportunity, and if that happens to be the one that pays the most then Heeeyyy!
Flexability, fullfillment, and ability to have a life outside of work. Mesh that with the right income.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 10:57:24 AM
Post by: The Big Train on July 29, 2015, 11:10:36 AM
Post by: The Big Train on July 29, 2015, 11:12:43 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
are you applying for the right kind of job, or just something you think will be similar to what you do now?I'm trying to apply for the right type of job, but I'm also running out of time here. They've cut half the staff since I've been here (only 6 months here). This place is by far the worst place I've ever worked for. I really need to get out of the for profit college game. My moral compass can't take it any longer. Unfortunately, my background reads recruiter/sales and it's hard to dive into a new career outside of that, without the experience. I've definitely been a part of a lot of jobs that just churn through ppl.
Post by: Institutional Control on July 29, 2015, 11:44:44 AM
I've received 3 job offers this week. It's going to be tough to decide which one to take.
That's awesome, you should take the one that will give you the most fullfillment/opportunity, and if that happens to be the one that pays the most then Heeeyyy!
They're all pretty much doing the same thing, so the fulfillment is probably equal.
One job is with my current company, a Fortune 10 company, very stable, great benefits. Close to my home.
Second job is with a new company but selling a product that I'm very familiar with. Would work from home when not out visiting clients.
Third job has the most earning potential but is a very small company (10 employees). Would need to drive into the office every day which is about 25 miles away from the new house.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 29, 2015, 12:01:55 PM
Post by: meow meow on July 29, 2015, 12:26:37 PM
are you applying for the right kind of job, or just something you think will be similar to what you do now?I'm trying to apply for the right type of job, but I'm also running out of time here. They've cut half the staff since I've been here (only 6 months here). This place is by far the worst place I've ever worked for. I really need to get out of the for profit college game. My moral compass can't take it any longer. Unfortunately, my background reads recruiter/sales and it's hard to dive into a new career outside of that, without the experience. I've definitely been a part of a lot of jobs that just churn through ppl.
if you're trying to go a different career direction, without experience, you're not going to be able to ask to make what you're making now, i'm guessing
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on July 29, 2015, 12:44:38 PM
Yeah, I agree. When I received my Masters, I thought that would help when negotiating salaries, but apparently nobody gaf about them when they come from an online school. Oh well, good thing it was free.
FTFY
Post by: Institutional Control on July 29, 2015, 12:46:33 PM
You can't work from home without a 4 car garage and 2 basements
The down side to working from home is that my wife already works from home.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 29, 2015, 12:46:56 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 29, 2015, 12:47:33 PM
You can't work from home without a 4 car garage and 2 basements
The down side to working from home is that my wife already works from home.
That's what the second basement is for
Post by: The Big Train on July 29, 2015, 12:58:46 PM
University of Phoenix is the latest college under investigation
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/29/pf/college/university-of-phoenix-investigation/index.html
Post by: meow meow on July 29, 2015, 01:02:19 PM
Post by: CNS on July 29, 2015, 01:02:30 PM
Post by: Canary on July 29, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
I have had several opportunities to move from my current job to other places. One came with a substantial raise and the same commute (less than twenty minutes). But one of my staff members said to me in discovering my other opportunities that "sometimes people are already where they belong." When I gave that some thought I realized that I would gain nothing from the move except setting up shop in a new environment. I decided right then to stay where I am. It was a great decision for me. Good luck in your decision.I've received 3 job offers this week. It's going to be tough to decide which one to take.
That's awesome, you should take the one that will give you the most fullfillment/opportunity, and if that happens to be the one that pays the most then Heeeyyy!
They're all pretty much doing the same thing, so the fulfillment is probably equal.
One job is with my current company, a Fortune 10 company, very stable, great benefits. Close to my home.
Second job is with a new company but selling a product that I'm very familiar with. Would work from home when not out visiting clients.
Third job has the most earning potential but is a very small company (10 employees). Would need to drive into the office every day which is about 25 miles away from the new house.
Post by: Institutional Control on July 29, 2015, 01:11:54 PM
Wacks, did you like that software sales job? If so, try some of their competitors. I mean, I just heard that something along those lines is hiring ppl to work from home except when out visiting clients. :dunno:
LOL
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 01:16:40 PM
It was on ground from an accredited school, but yeah.Yeah, I agree. When I received my Masters, I thought that would help when negotiating salaries, but apparently nobody gaf about them when they come from an online school. Oh well, good thing it was free.
FTFY
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 01:18:33 PM
Yeah, I enjoyed it. Perceptive went on a hiring freeze tho, once they got bought over.Wacks, did you like that software sales job? If so, try some of their competitors. I mean, I just heard that something along those lines is hiring ppl to work from home except when out visiting clients. :dunno:
LOL
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 01:19:49 PM
wacky, put out like 50 jobs apps to real places as quick as you canMeh. That's every for profit right now. As long as you received that degree while it was accredited, that's all that matters.
University of Phoenix is the latest college under investigation
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/29/pf/college/university-of-phoenix-investigation/index.html
Post by: The Big Train on July 29, 2015, 01:21:24 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 01:24:37 PM
what type of job/career are you wanting to get wacky? why are you not already snapping necks at Morgan Hunter or Robert Half?I'm interested in HR and recruiting future employees. Also, there's companies like DST and Garman that are looking for college recruiters to go to campuses and speak about the opportunities that the company has for entry level positions. I think I would be great at that. I wouldn't mind getting back into inside sales either. I just had a really bad experience at DSI and I think that rocked me a little bit. Honestly, I was going through a lot during that time. Anxiety attacks, losing hair, etc. Over the last two years, the doctors found out I had an underactive thyroid, high blood pressure, and a severe case of depression from a chemical imbalance. The doctors finally figured out what was triggering it and the meds have been working. I feel like myself again. I could probably take on a position like that again at this time, now that I'm feeling better.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 01:26:07 PM
i wasnt talking about your degree, i was talking about your industry right nowOh, yeah. It's rough ridin' dead. The worst part about it, is places like where I work right now, are still setting their numbers way too high. They think they'll hit their enrollments from 10 years ago and they're dropping anyone who can't come close to hitting them. It's a graveyard here.
Post by: meow meow on July 29, 2015, 01:32:41 PM
what type of job/career are you wanting to get wacky? why are you not already snapping necks at Morgan Hunter or Robert Half?I'm interested in HR and recruiting future employees. Also, there's companies like DST and Garman that are looking for college recruiters to go to campuses and speak about the opportunities that the company has for entry level positions. I think I would be great at that. I wouldn't mind getting back into inside sales either. I just had a really bad experience at DSI and I think that rocked me a little bit. Honestly, I was going through a lot during that time. Anxiety attacks, losing hair, etc. Over the last two years, the doctors found out I had an underactive thyroid, high blood pressure, and a severe case of depression from a chemical imbalance. The doctors finally figured out what was triggering it and the meds have been working. I feel like myself again. I could probably take on a position like that again at this time, now that I'm feeling better.
mrs wacky cool with you going back to Manhattan all the time to "recruit" fillies?
Post by: Tobias on July 29, 2015, 01:33:52 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 29, 2015, 01:35:05 PM
have ms wacky negotiate salary for you
Yeah, you don't want to get below her threshold for how much you can make for her to marry you.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 01:36:53 PM
Post by: lopakman on July 29, 2015, 01:48:47 PM
I've received 3 job offers this week. It's going to be tough to decide which one to take.
That's awesome, you should take the one that will give you the most fullfillment/opportunity, and if that happens to be the one that pays the most then Heeeyyy!
They're all pretty much doing the same thing, so the fulfillment is probably equal.
One job is with my current company, a Fortune 10 company, very stable, great benefits. Close to my home.
Second job is with a new company but selling a product that I'm very familiar with. Would work from home when not out visiting clients.
Third job has the most earning potential but is a very small company (10 employees). Would need to drive into the office every day which is about 25 miles away from the new house.
You should stay with your current company but use your other job offers as leverage for a raise and extra vacation time.
Post by: CNS on July 29, 2015, 02:25:13 PM
Also, in my limited experience, HR depts have a higher turnover than the other depts in many orgs.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 02:26:37 PM
Wacky, if you did as well at the software place as you say, you would have to be a pretty good sales person. Find a reputable company and a good product and earn. I mean, you weren't a software guy, but lead sales there for a while. If you can do that with a product you had no clue about, you could hit homeruns on the reg for a product you do know about. Also, apply at places with good reps even if you don't know the product. Again, if you can sell software without a great IT handle, you could probably sell most other things. I would seriously look into medical sales.Good advice. Thanks! :thumbs:
Also, in my limited experience, HR depts have a higher turnover than the other depts in many orgs.
Post by: 8manpick on July 29, 2015, 05:42:20 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2015, 08:22:08 PM
Have you considered working for a headhunting company?Yeah. I'm in talks with a few right now. They place nurses and other Healthcare positions. I have an interview next Tuesday with one.
Post by: jmlynch1 on July 29, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
I had a similar interview for Kiewit Power a couple years agoNebraska!
Post by: ben ji on July 29, 2015, 09:20:15 PM
I did tie and no pants :)
Overdressing is really never a bad thing, imo. Worst case you are showing that you are making every effort and really interested. I've had people interview with me that were way overdressed and they pretty much always get the job
Agree.
My company (More blue collar than white collar) hired a guy who came to the interview in a 3 piece suit. His nickname for the first 6 months was 3 piece until we realized he was not good at the white collar part of the job, he now works in the blue collar department.
Point being he was well dressed and it helped get him the job.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 30, 2015, 12:13:55 AM
I forgot to mention that I had an offer from Robert Half 3 years ago, but I chose the DSI position over them and they've been sour grapes ever since. I have a buddy who's a manager there and he said: "They really liked you, but once you chose that other position, you burned your bridges here". :blank:what type of job/career are you wanting to get wacky? why are you not already snapping necks at Morgan Hunter or Robert Half?I'm interested in HR and recruiting future employees. Also, there's companies like DST and Garman that are looking for college recruiters to go to campuses and speak about the opportunities that the company has for entry level positions. I think I would be great at that. I wouldn't mind getting back into inside sales either. I just had a really bad experience at DSI and I think that rocked me a little bit. Honestly, I was going through a lot during that time. Anxiety attacks, losing hair, etc. Over the last two years, the doctors found out I had an underactive thyroid, high blood pressure, and a severe case of depression from a chemical imbalance. The doctors finally figured out what was triggering it and the meds have been working. I feel like myself again. I could probably take on a position like that again at this time, now that I'm feeling better.
mrs wacky cool with you going back to Manhattan all the time to "recruit" fillies?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 30, 2015, 12:28:04 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 30, 2015, 12:35:43 AM
what a stupid company thenAgreed. I mean, I get their point to an extent, but still, they were rolling out the red carpet for me. I would think a job placement company would understand the value of taking the better bargain.
Post by: 8manpick on July 30, 2015, 07:52:08 AM
Actually the Power division is headquartered in Lenexa...I had a similar interview for Kiewit Power a couple years agoNebraska!
Post by: Institutional Control on July 30, 2015, 08:12:32 AM
Post by: slobber on July 30, 2015, 08:41:46 AM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: michigancat on July 30, 2015, 09:01:55 AM
Overdressing can bite you in certain cases, at least at certain companies on the bay area. The idea is that if you show up for an interview in a suit when the guy interviewing you is in a t-shirt and hoodie, you don't understand the culture and won't fit in.I did tie and no pants :)
Overdressing is really never a bad thing, imo. Worst case you are showing that you are making every effort and really interested. I've had people interview with me that were way overdressed and they pretty much always get the job
Agree.
My company (More blue collar than white collar) hired a guy who came to the interview in a 3 piece suit. His nickname for the first 6 months was 3 piece until we realized he was not good at the white collar part of the job, he now works in the blue collar department.
Point being he was well dressed and it helped get him the job.
It's stupid, but it's there. In KC, you should be fine overdressing just about anywhere.
Post by: The Big Train on July 30, 2015, 10:40:43 AM
Actually the Power division is headquartered in Lenexa...I had a similar interview for Kiewit Power a couple years agoNebraska!
I have a cousin that works there
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on July 30, 2015, 10:59:18 AM
Overdressing can bite you in certain cases, at least at certain companies on the bay area. The idea is that if you show up for an interview in a suit when the guy interviewing you is in a t-shirt and hoodie, you don't understand the culture and won't fit in.I did tie and no pants :)
Overdressing is really never a bad thing, imo. Worst case you are showing that you are making every effort and really interested. I've had people interview with me that were way overdressed and they pretty much always get the job
Agree.
My company (More blue collar than white collar) hired a guy who came to the interview in a 3 piece suit. His nickname for the first 6 months was 3 piece until we realized he was not good at the white collar part of the job, he now works in the blue collar department.
Point being he was well dressed and it helped get him the job.
It's stupid, but it's there. In KC, you should be fine overdressing just about anywhere.
you really didn't need to do this. everybody already knows you live in the bay areaa.
Post by: michigancat on July 30, 2015, 11:00:14 AM
Overdressing can bite you in certain cases, at least at certain companies on the bay area. The idea is that if you show up for an interview in a suit when the guy interviewing you is in a t-shirt and hoodie, you don't understand the culture and won't fit in.I did tie and no pants :)
Overdressing is really never a bad thing, imo. Worst case you are showing that you are making every effort and really interested. I've had people interview with me that were way overdressed and they pretty much always get the job
Agree.
My company (More blue collar than white collar) hired a guy who came to the interview in a 3 piece suit. His nickname for the first 6 months was 3 piece until we realized he was not good at the white collar part of the job, he now works in the blue collar department.
Point being he was well dressed and it helped get him the job.
It's stupid, but it's there. In KC, you should be fine overdressing just about anywhere.
you really didn't need to do this. everybody already knows you live in the bay areaa.
OUR GUY WACKY IS INTERVIEWING W/ A BAY AREA COMPANY RICK DARIS
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 30, 2015, 11:09:40 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 30, 2015, 11:09:58 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 30, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
Post by: michigancat on July 30, 2015, 11:38:25 AM
What is a motoIt's like a scooter
Post by: Brock Landers on July 30, 2015, 11:45:03 AM
What is a moto
Nothin, what's a moto with you? :D
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 30, 2015, 11:55:51 AM
Post by: The Big Train on July 30, 2015, 12:24:29 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 30, 2015, 12:35:11 PM
Post by: Canary on July 30, 2015, 12:45:20 PM
I know everyone has probably been on the edge of their seat waiting for my decision... I'm going to stay at my current company and I've accepted the new position.Congrats!
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 08:55:29 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2015, 09:07:18 AM
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 11:03:03 AM
You don't want to reacclimate (sp?) a new office to your stinky lunch haxors
what if it was in another country with different established taste and odor norms?
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2015, 11:49:15 AM
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 12:31:48 PM
You don't want to reacclimate (sp?) a new office to your stinky lunch haxors
what if it was in another country with different established taste and odor norms?
sounds cool!
Post by: OK_Cat on August 04, 2015, 12:42:15 PM
What is a moto
Nothin, what's a moto with you? :D
Oh man this made me laugh a lot, great job everybody
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2015, 12:42:31 PM
You don't want to reacclimate (sp?) a new office to your stinky lunch haxors
what if it was in another country with different established taste and odor norms?
good luck finding the tube meat selection you have come to enjoy in any other country
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 04, 2015, 12:57:37 PM
:runaway:
oh no, what?
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 01:04:45 PM
:runaway:
oh no, what?
:runaway: opportunity related, not scoop related :runaway:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 01:07:56 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2015, 01:17:22 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 04, 2015, 01:18:04 PM
Best of luck, bud! I almost walked out on a interview today. It took them about 25 minutes for someone to acknowledge I was there. I don't know if their receptionist was out or what, but I've been emailing this guy back and forth and he knew I was using PTO time to see him at 11am. He liked me too, but I'm not sure you guys!
I mean, did you just stand there at the door like a dork or did you at least get someone's attention?
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 01:21:34 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 01:34:11 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 01:34:49 PM
Yeah, I stood there and looked in. They were having a team meeting and they saw me, but didn't send anyone to say: "Hey, just wait one second, we'll be right with you!". They just looked at me and continued the meeting and I went and sat in a corner awkwardly. It was kind of weird. It's working in the Healthcare arena, which would be a great opportunity, but this is definitely entry level for their company.
it was a test, you were supposed to barge in and take over that meeeting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 01:42:15 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 04, 2015, 01:49:12 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
Post by: sys on August 04, 2015, 04:08:48 PM
:runaway:
where are you moving to, puni?
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 04:22:47 PM
:runaway:
where are you moving to, puni?
it's Best Central Time Zone +14 hours
:runaway:
i'm freaking out because they sent me the offer with a deadline of friday, and i am going on trip and will be away from my family until next wednesday!!!!!!!!!!!! i just sent the email of my life asking for a deadline extension.
anyone want to buy 2 season tickets, section 19, cat cushions?
Post by: Brock Landers on August 04, 2015, 04:24:00 PM
:runaway:
where are you moving to, puni?
I noticed in the Killer Cop thread puni spelled the word "behaviour", so possibly somewhere within the British Empire?
Post by: Tobias on August 04, 2015, 04:30:06 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
:runaway:
where are you moving to, puni?
it's Best Central Time Zone +14 hours
:runaway:
i'm freaking out because they sent me the offer with a deadline of friday, and i am going on trip and will be away from my family until next wednesday!!!!!!!!!!!! i just sent the email of my life asking for a deadline extension.
anyone want to buy 2 season tickets, section 19, cat cushions?
Asia! Wow! when is your trip? I say just accept it and :driving:
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 04:33:09 PM
Asia! Wow! when is your trip? I say just accept it and :driving:
Thanks! most people in my personal network are saying the same thing. I leave tonight.
Post by: sys on August 04, 2015, 04:34:03 PM
Post by: Tobias on August 04, 2015, 04:34:04 PM
Post by: sys on August 04, 2015, 04:34:42 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 04:36:16 PM
Asia! Wow! when is your trip? I say just accept it and :driving:
Thanks! most people in my personal network are saying the same thing. I leave tonight.
I will add that I work w/ a lot of expats in that region and I don't know of any of them with any intention of leaving any time soon. (I'm assuming the offer is in a major city with a fairly sizable expat community.)
Post by: Tobias on August 04, 2015, 04:36:46 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2015, 04:39:19 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 04:39:55 PM
i cant say much more than that
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 04:40:48 PM
(http://media.giphy.com/media/nggAhk9OiAJSU/giphy.gif)
i cant say much more than that
:eek:
I may have miscalculated due to DST
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 04:41:10 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 04:42:24 PM
I will add that I work w/ a lot of expats in that region and I don't know of any of them with any intention of leaving any time soon. (I'm assuming the offer is in a major city with a fairly sizable expat community.)
3-5 yr gig with the added emotional safety net that i can come back to my old job when its over (unless i get fired for BBSn about it)
CANT SAY MUCH MORE THAN THAT
Post by: CNS on August 04, 2015, 04:47:36 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 04:49:28 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2015, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: Fedor on August 04, 2015, 04:57:02 PM
Is this a bitch way of saying friends and family?Asia! Wow! when is your trip? I say just accept it and :driving:
Thanks! most people in my personal network are saying the same thing. I leave tonight.
Post by: sys on August 04, 2015, 04:59:57 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 05:01:35 PM
Is this a bitch way of saying friends and family?Asia! Wow! when is your trip? I say just accept it and :driving:
Thanks! most people in my personal network are saying the same thing. I leave tonight.
i thought it was an ubercool way :frown:
it was my way of differentiating between my friends and family whom i normally talk to with my mouth and my gE #framily whom i normally talk to with my fingers and brain.
Post by: slobber on August 04, 2015, 05:02:52 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 05:07:51 PM
Post by: wetwillie on August 04, 2015, 05:10:43 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 05:12:07 PM
Didn't you just buy a house? You could rent it to the goEMAW community
does anyone want to rent a house?
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 05:13:01 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on August 04, 2015, 05:27:55 PM
I have a phone interview with a college (D1 in basketball!!!) on Thursday. It's way better pay, more travel, and I would work in Phoenix from time-to-time. I had a friend who worked for them awhile back and she can't stop raving about them. They reached out to me today through indeed. I'd cover the Midwest territory for them. :Wha:
I'm talking to a company in Phoenix. I'll likely head there or back to Manhattan in a month or so. Remote mountain living has gotten to me.
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 05:28:26 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 05:31:48 PM
Very cool! Best of luck! Also, congrats Puni! This college has a former 3 point sharp shooter from the suns as their coach.I have a phone interview with a college (D1 in basketball!!!) on Thursday. It's way better pay, more travel, and I would work in Phoenix from time-to-time. I had a friend who worked for them awhile back and she can't stop raving about them. They reached out to me today through indeed. I'd cover the Midwest territory for them. :Wha:
I'm talking to a company in Phoenix. I'll likely head there or back to Manhattan in a month or so. Remote mountain living has gotten to me.
Post by: ChiComCat on August 04, 2015, 05:32:26 PM
Very cool! Best of luck! Also, congrats Puni! This college has a former 3 point sharp shooter from the suns as their coach.I have a phone interview with a college (D1 in basketball!!!) on Thursday. It's way better pay, more travel, and I would work in Phoenix from time-to-time. I had a friend who worked for them awhile back and she can't stop raving about them. They reached out to me today through indeed. I'd cover the Midwest territory for them. :Wha:
I'm talking to a company in Phoenix. I'll likely head there or back to Manhattan in a month or so. Remote mountain living has gotten to me.
Don't invite Trim to any games
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 05:33:52 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 05:35:01 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 05:36:43 PM
@chi :lol: I know. Also, it's not for profit, it is private tho.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Canyon_University#History
it's for profit (unless something changed in the last few weeks)
Post by: ChiComCat on August 04, 2015, 05:39:22 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 05:39:52 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 06:17:04 PM
http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Grand-Canyon-University/reviews?from=SERP&jt=Account+Executive+-+Online+Division+-+College+of+Education
Post by: chum1 on August 04, 2015, 06:22:17 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 06:22:54 PM
I've often wondered if it was even possible for the gross food thread to get any more disgusting.
hoo boy
Post by: Asteriskhead on August 04, 2015, 07:17:11 PM
Didn't you just buy a house? You could rent it to the goEMAW community
does anyone want to rent a house?
:dubious:
Post by: The Big Train on August 04, 2015, 08:01:05 PM
Post by: sys on August 04, 2015, 08:33:52 PM
I've often wondered if it was even possible for the gross food thread to get any more disgusting.
i don't know if it's possible for it to get any more disgusting, but guessing the ingredients will be more challenging.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
Post by: The Big Train on August 04, 2015, 08:42:02 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on August 04, 2015, 08:43:52 PM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: OK_Cat on August 04, 2015, 09:24:23 PM
Post by: meow meow on August 04, 2015, 09:33:41 PM
Fanning and the for-profit college thing just gets me lol every time. Come on, wacky cat.
fortunately he left good enough clues to where people could find out what college it was, and then let him know it was a for-profit college.
Post by: slobber on August 04, 2015, 09:42:46 PM
Post by: Tobias on August 04, 2015, 09:54:34 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/04/0da64002e16dc8c192d9a8d96f6c190a.jpg)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 10:11:55 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 10:15:40 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on August 04, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 11:06:23 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 11:14:37 PM
Post by: Saulbadguy on August 04, 2015, 11:19:52 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 11:21:43 PM
what happened w/ the company you did the video interview with?Nothing. I thought I did well, but it's been absolute crickets. I reached out to them as well and I'm getting the heisman. Kind of weird. Who knows. This is the 3rd go around with them. Weird to show that much interest, but back off like that.
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 11:23:04 PM
what happened w/ the company you did the video interview with?Nothing. I thought I did well, but it's been absolute crickets. I reached out to them as well and I'm getting the heisman. Kind of weird. Who knows. This is the 3rd go around with them. Weird to show that much interest, but back off like that.
"third go round" as in you've had three interviews? Did they give you a timeline after you completed the interview? Did you ask for one?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2015, 11:27:10 PM
Post by: 8manpick on August 05, 2015, 06:45:55 AM
Post by: slobber on August 05, 2015, 07:48:59 AM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 05, 2015, 08:05:07 AM
Did you ask the computer when it was going to follow up with you on the opportunity.:lol:
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 05, 2015, 09:06:44 AM
Post by: The Big Train on August 05, 2015, 09:10:51 AM
Post by: puniraptor on August 05, 2015, 09:28:48 AM
Post by: slobber on August 05, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: slobber on August 05, 2015, 09:39:51 AM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 05, 2015, 09:43:35 AM
they made a godzilla movie where it attacked bejing?
Huh? There was talk of China earlier, and then his pic of Godzilla indicated that he is going to Japan so I am saying that IF it had been China that might suck but since it seems to be Japan that will not suck (maybe).
Also, puni - Do you want to work for a company that can't even give you a few days to decide if you want to move to another country?
Post by: meow meow on August 05, 2015, 09:49:56 AM
Post by: OK_Cat on August 05, 2015, 10:05:35 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 05, 2015, 10:40:06 AM
Post by: AbeFroman on August 05, 2015, 04:51:39 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 05, 2015, 05:16:38 PM
Also, puni - Do you want to work for a company that can't even give you a few days to decide if you want to move to another country?
It's the start date as much as the acceptance date. 45 days seems impossibly fast for something like this to me.
Post by: slobber on August 05, 2015, 05:37:12 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: puniraptor on August 05, 2015, 05:39:21 PM
Seems realistic:runaway:
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: puniraptor on August 05, 2015, 05:43:25 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 05, 2015, 05:43:38 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 05, 2015, 05:45:12 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 05, 2015, 07:09:20 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 05, 2015, 07:12:11 PM
I have a phone interview with a college (D1 in basketball!!!) on Thursday. It's way better pay, more travel, and I would work in Phoenix from time-to-time. I had a friend who worked for them awhile back and she can't stop raving about them. They reached out to me today through indeed. I'd cover the Midwest territory for them. :Wha:
I'm talking to a company in Phoenix. I'll likely head there or back to Manhattan in a month or so. Remote mountain living has gotten to me.
I'll make you a deal, you find out some tricky way to comp my family and I a day or two at your current place of work before you leave and you can live in my basement for one month for free until you get things figured out if it ends up being mhk.
Post by: The Big Train on August 05, 2015, 07:42:31 PM
I have a phone interview with a college (D1 in basketball!!!) on Thursday. It's way better pay, more travel, and I would work in Phoenix from time-to-time. I had a friend who worked for them awhile back and she can't stop raving about them. They reached out to me today through indeed. I'd cover the Midwest territory for them. :Wha:
I'm talking to a company in Phoenix. I'll likely head there or back to Manhattan in a month or so. Remote mountain living has gotten to me.
I'll make you a deal, you find out some tricky way to comp my family and I a day or two at your current place of work before you leave and you can live in my basement for one month for free until you get things figured out if it ends up being mhk.
oh man if this deal includes rick cooking you meals too you won't find a better deal anywhere
Post by: puniraptor on August 05, 2015, 08:52:43 PM
Post by: The Big Train on August 05, 2015, 08:54:14 PM
Post by: wetwillie on August 05, 2015, 08:58:13 PM
I got the extension I wanted and they said they would work with me on the start date. I think I'm not going to birch out
Atta boy
Post by: Tobias on August 05, 2015, 09:06:11 PM
Post by: sys on August 05, 2015, 09:08:41 PM
did they agree to the pea import condition?
he's going to have to fashion his own peas out of whatever they use for vegetables there.
Post by: The Big Train on August 05, 2015, 09:11:07 PM
Post by: The Big Train on August 05, 2015, 09:12:40 PM
Post by: sys on August 05, 2015, 09:18:05 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 05, 2015, 10:41:17 PM
he'll probably end up quitting his job and making a fortune over there selling his rolled seaweed mini veggie balls as an add-in for rice.:kstategrad:
Post by: SdK on August 08, 2015, 11:20:34 PM
Post by: Spracne on August 09, 2015, 12:23:55 AM
Post by: SdK on August 09, 2015, 01:29:35 AM
Post by: SdK on August 09, 2015, 01:30:03 AM
Congrats, Sundance Man! I quit my job last week. To be fair, I gave like 9 months notice.Was it pregnancy related?
Post by: slobber on August 09, 2015, 05:51:32 AM
I was promoted this past week. With the promotion comes a 50% raise and a pallet jack! :excited:What model pallet jack you running now? ;)
Congrats. They are obviously seeing the benefits of SDK gaining control of his life. Good job, friend.
Post by: wetwillie on August 09, 2015, 07:44:41 AM
Congrats, Sundance Man! I quit my job last week. To be fair, I gave like 9 months notice.Was it pregnancy related?
He is birthing his education
Post by: The Big Train on August 09, 2015, 08:57:25 AM
Post by: Canary on August 09, 2015, 12:38:02 PM
If you don't know SDK in real life you have no idea how amazing he is. Really one of the best.I was promoted this past week. With the promotion comes a 50% raise and a pallet jack! :excited:What model pallet jack you running now? ;)
Congrats. They are obviously seeing the benefits of SDK gaining control of his life. Good job, friend.
Post by: SdK on August 09, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
I'm all about that Yale life while hauling around mail for the RNC. :gocho:I was promoted this past week. With the promotion comes a 50% raise and a pallet jack! :excited:What model pallet jack you running now? ;)
Congrats. They are obviously seeing the benefits of SDK gaining control of his life. Good job, friend.
Post by: SdK on August 09, 2015, 01:01:20 PM
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on August 12, 2015, 05:33:04 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 12, 2015, 05:36:37 PM
Post by: TownieCat on August 12, 2015, 05:39:13 PM
FYI waitresses love kitchen guys :th_twocents::thumbs:
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on August 12, 2015, 05:39:30 PM
FYI waitresses love kitchen guys :th_twocents:
True story.
Post by: Trim on August 12, 2015, 06:16:52 PM
Are you 18-30 years old and currently looking for employment? If you don't smell and are a decent human being, come apply at Aggie Station for the kitchen and put ERiI under "Referred by" and you'll probably get hired.
Some 31-year-old aspiring cook is gonna sue the crap out of you guys hahahaha.
Post by: puniraptor on August 13, 2015, 06:00:14 PM
Post by: The Big Train on August 13, 2015, 06:01:05 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 13, 2015, 06:01:50 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 13, 2015, 06:02:50 PM
Post by: The Big Train on August 13, 2015, 06:06:19 PM
Post by: slobber on August 13, 2015, 06:15:02 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 13, 2015, 06:25:35 PM
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 01, 2015, 03:05:21 PM
They're trying to establish no negotiations for the salary. This is in the private sector. Is it a done deal? What should the response be?
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2015, 03:14:45 PM
So say you've exchanged resumes and pleasantries with a prospective boss, who adds before the interview process gets going " the job pays $XX,000."
They're trying to establish no negotiations for the salary. This is in the private sector. Is it a done deal? What should the response be?
everything in the private sector is negotiable, but that's a bad sign. You could say something like, "that seems low, but we can talk"*. If you really like the situation, you could maybe ask for more vacation or something.
*as long as you don't run into a situation like wacky did where you're taking entire vacation days for the interview
Post by: Brock Landers on September 01, 2015, 03:15:22 PM
So say you've exchanged resumes and pleasantries with a prospective boss, who adds before the interview process gets going " the job pays $XX,000."
They're trying to establish no negotiations for the salary. This is in the private sector. Is it a done deal? What should the response be?
Just because they said that certainly doesn't make the salary non-negotiable.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 01, 2015, 03:20:06 PM
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 01, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Post by: meow meow on September 01, 2015, 03:32:10 PM
I've got my 4th interview with this company on Thursday. They want me to sit with the team again and then finish my interview with the HR Director. I think I'm getting close. Leaving for vacation delayed the process tho.
what's the name of this school?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 01, 2015, 04:25:56 PM
Post by: slobber on September 01, 2015, 04:30:15 PM
Thanks, all. I'm going to try to ignore it for now and come up with a good answer the next time they bring it up. This just seems like a point in the process where people unintentionally box themselves in. If I'm a good enough candidate, they should want to have wiggle room for salary.I would prefer to have a candidate that expressed their concern when they had it rather than ignored it.
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Post by: Spracne on September 01, 2015, 08:19:41 PM
Knowing nothing about this company, if it's a small company there is a very real possibility that they can't afford someone more expensive and would disqualify a candidate who presents his requirements as greater than they can offer for the position.Thanks, all. I'm going to try to ignore it for now and come up with a good answer the next time they bring it up. This just seems like a point in the process where people unintentionally box themselves in. If I'm a good enough candidate, they should want to have wiggle room for salary.I would prefer to have a candidate that expressed their concern when they had it rather than ignored it.
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Post by: Spracne on September 01, 2015, 08:22:24 PM
Post by: pissclams on September 01, 2015, 08:44:57 PM
how hard is the position to fill? how much do they want or need the prospective candidate?
these two things will dictate how willing they are to play ball, go cats.
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 01, 2015, 10:10:51 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2015, 10:57:39 PM
It's a company of about 150. Apparently they've had lots of applicants. Bonus, I am longtime family friends with a high ranking individual in a different department.
yeah I'm sure people are lining up to make $XX,000 a year according to your family friend
Post by: The Big Train on September 01, 2015, 11:03:56 PM
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 01, 2015, 11:55:56 PM
Guess I gave the wrong impression. They'd had a number of applicants. They weren't impressed. Michigancat must do very well in the money department.It's a company of about 150. Apparently they've had lots of applicants. Bonus, I am longtime family friends with a high ranking individual in a different department.
yeah I'm sure people are lining up to make $XX,000 a year according to your family friend
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2015, 11:58:20 PM
Ah, that's good for you then.Guess I gave the wrong impression. They'd had a number of applicants. They weren't impressed. Michigancat must do very well in the money department.It's a company of about 150. Apparently they've had lots of applicants. Bonus, I am longtime family friends with a high ranking individual in a different department.
yeah I'm sure people are lining up to make $XX,000 a year according to your family friend
These guys seem like terrible negotiators.
Post by: Boom Roasted on September 02, 2015, 06:59:13 AM
Post by: steve dave on September 02, 2015, 09:02:15 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 02, 2015, 09:17:58 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 02, 2015, 09:30:54 AM
What do you guys do when recruiters from competing companies reach out to you on LinkedIn? Pretty confident these companies aren't as good as my current one, but there is potential I could be in a higher position sooner there. Long term possibilities are probably less with these companies, especially in KC. Listen to what they have to say? Use it for salary negotiation?I'm all...(http://www.emofaces.com/png/200/emoticons/ear.png)
Post by: michigancat on September 02, 2015, 09:48:13 AM
What do you guys do when recruiters from competing companies reach out to you on LinkedIn? Pretty confident these companies aren't as good as my current one, but there is potential I could be in a higher position sooner there. Long term possibilities are probably less with these companies, especially in KC. Listen to what they have to say? Use it for salary negotiation?
If they don't have a job you would apply for if you hadn't been contacted, politely say thanks but no thanks. Not sure how you'd use this contact effectively for salary negotiation. It seems like it would be difficult to negotiate salary at all for your current company and your current position at most companies.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on September 02, 2015, 09:58:18 AM
What do you guys do when recruiters from competing companies reach out to you on LinkedIn? Pretty confident these companies aren't as good as my current one, but there is potential I could be in a higher position sooner there. Long term possibilities are probably less with these companies, especially in KC. Listen to what they have to say? Use it for salary negotiation?
had one yesterday. I politely responded that I am not looking for placement in KC at this time. If you're in the market, or could be persuaded, have a go at it.
Post by: mocat on September 02, 2015, 10:19:37 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 02, 2015, 12:11:40 PM
95% of the time i'm cool with this, but sometimes i just think "man i don't know if i can do this for another 20-30 years." nothing interesting or exciting ever happens. like never ever.
Post by: Brock Landers on September 02, 2015, 12:19:08 PM
my job is sooooo boooooooorrrrring. it is pretty much groundhog day, the movie. like everyday is just the same.
95% of the time i'm cool with this, but sometimes i just think "man i don't know if i can do this for another 20-30 years." nothing interesting or exciting ever happens. like never ever.
Many people's jobs are this way Rick. Like mine for example. I'm posting at work right now and sometimes for entertainment I debate myself on the color scheme of my cubicle walls. Is it light gray, or is it medium gray? I pretty much go with light gray all the time but sometimes in the right lighting conditions a case could be made for medium.
Post by: Institutional Control on September 02, 2015, 12:21:59 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 02, 2015, 12:23:38 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 02, 2015, 12:31:39 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 02, 2015, 12:49:45 PM
i'm in a customer service type job where people come to me with problems but it's always the same exact problem. like they have a bad #4 hex widget and it's the seventh bad #4 hex widget i've seen that day but they think their hex widget problem is interesting or something and i'm like oh for crying out loud do i have to listen to this for the 43rd time this week? the hours and pay are ok though and i really shouldn't complain, but sometimes i wish i was given a #8 hex widget or maybe a completely different kind of widget all together. like a jones widget or a funker widget. i'm guessing monotony is a pretty common job complaint though.
I'll swap you jobs one day a week but I get to stay in your basement the evening before
Post by: CNS on September 02, 2015, 12:54:18 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 02, 2015, 01:00:28 PM
Rick, you need a creative outlet away from work.
i'm starting to garden. cucumbers are going crazy and i have two watermelons and one pumpkin that i'm crossing fingers on.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 02, 2015, 01:01:47 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 02, 2015, 01:02:34 PM
i'm in a customer service type job where people come to me with problems but it's always the same exact problem. like they have a bad #4 hex widget and it's the seventh bad #4 hex widget i've seen that day but they think their hex widget problem is interesting or something and i'm like oh for crying out loud do i have to listen to this for the 43rd time this week? the hours and pay are ok though and i really shouldn't complain, but sometimes i wish i was given a #8 hex widget or maybe a completely different kind of widget all together. like a jones widget or a funker widget. i'm guessing monotony is a pretty common job complaint though.
I'll swap you jobs one day a week but I get to stay in your basement the evening before
i would be more lost in your job than you would be in mine
Post by: star seed 7 on September 02, 2015, 01:03:51 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 02, 2015, 01:06:09 PM
What do you guys think "#4 hex widget" means in non-cop-speak
Shooting an unarmed citizen.
Post by: The Big Train on September 02, 2015, 01:21:11 PM
my job is pretty interesting and different sometimes if that makes you feel any better.
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 02, 2015, 01:28:51 PM
Rick, you need a creative outlet away from work.
i'm starting to garden. cucumbers are going crazy and i have two watermelons and one pumpkin that i'm crossing fingers on.
We could start a band. :dunno:
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 02, 2015, 01:44:48 PM
Rick, you need a creative outlet away from work.
i'm starting to garden. cucumbers are going crazy and i have two watermelons and one pumpkin that i'm crossing fingers on.
We could start a band. :dunno:
i'm just a lyricist. so if you're up for like a hip hop band or something, i would consider. if you are expecting me to sing or play an instrument, then sadly this would not be possible.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 02, 2015, 01:48:38 PM
if you could do it all over again,what would you have done instead.
less peopley/more computery. maybe i just need a vacation or something.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on September 02, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
i'm in a customer service type job where people come to me with problems but it's always the same exact problem. like they have a bad #4 hex widget and it's the seventh bad #4 hex widget i've seen that day but they think their hex widget problem is interesting or something and i'm like oh for crying out loud do i have to listen to this for the 43rd time this week? the hours and pay are ok though and i really shouldn't complain, but sometimes i wish i was given a #8 hex widget or maybe a completely different kind of widget all together. like a jones widget or a funker widget. i'm guessing monotony is a pretty common job complaint though.
I'll swap you jobs one day a week but I get to stay in your basement the evening before
i would be more lost in your job than you would be in mine
nah, figure the weight x $$$ = price. It's easy. ;)
Post by: sys on September 02, 2015, 04:04:40 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 02, 2015, 05:32:19 PM
i'm in a customer service type job where people come to me with problems but it's always the same exact problem. like they have a bad #4 hex widget and it's the seventh bad #4 hex widget i've seen that day but they think their hex widget problem is interesting or something and i'm like oh for crying out loud do i have to listen to this for the 43rd time this week? the hours and pay are ok though and i really shouldn't complain, but sometimes i wish i was given a #8 hex widget or maybe a completely different kind of widget all together. like a jones widget or a funker widget. i'm guessing monotony is a pretty common job complaint though.
I'll swap you jobs one day a week but I get to stay in your basement the evening before
i would be more lost in your job than you would be in mine
nah, figure the weight x $$$ = price. It's easy. ;)
Also highlighting. Lots and lots of highlighting.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 02, 2015, 09:12:51 PM
rick daris, if you hadn't had children, you'd have enough money by now to retire do novel stuff everyday.
Actually probably not true and I would be even more bored. Like zzzzzzzzzz.
Post by: SdK on September 03, 2015, 03:18:43 AM
Post by: DQ12 on September 03, 2015, 07:43:13 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on September 03, 2015, 09:02:18 AM
Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
Post by: sys on September 03, 2015, 09:57:50 AM
rick daris, if you hadn't had children, you'd have enough money by now to retire do novel stuff everyday.
Actually probably not true and I would be even more bored. Like zzzzzzzzzz.
i am positive you'd have the money. roid was right about you needing to hobby up. bored without work, now i've heard everything.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 03, 2015, 10:12:42 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on September 03, 2015, 10:14:34 AM
Good luck, Wacky!
Post by: puniraptor on September 03, 2015, 10:18:48 AM
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on September 03, 2015, 10:21:04 AM
you could always just not put in two weeks and say screw the reference, but sometime companies have it so they wont pay out vacation/sick time if you dont give two weeks. check on that.
good luck!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 03, 2015, 10:22:05 AM
I've seen many people burned by that hope they get asked to leave after turning in their notice.Since I've been here, I've seen 7 people walked out after putting in their two weeks. If they ask where, just say a competitor (even though it's not).
Good luck, Wacky!
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 03, 2015, 10:22:48 AM
rick daris, if you hadn't had children, you'd have enough money by now to retire do novel stuff everyday.
Actually probably not true and I would be even more bored. Like zzzzzzzzzz.
i am positive you'd have the money. roid was right about you needing to hobby up. bored without work, now i've heard everything.
i really don't think i would. i didn't start making actual money until 2003 and i have a bunch of student loans. i'm up for the hobby thing but i think it would have to be one that i could do at work as well and i can't really think of anything. goEMAW is my only work hobby. i'm open for suggestions.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 03, 2015, 10:25:50 AM
Post by: Fedor on September 03, 2015, 10:27:31 AM
I just got done with my 4th interview with this company this morning. Knowing that my current company walks people out when they put in their two weeks, they asked if they offered, if I could start on Tuesday. I told them: "I believe so". They told me to expect a call tonight or tomorrow. :crossfingers:GJ, Wacky! Are you going to spill your guts on every detail when this is all over? I sure hope so!!
Post by: The Big Train on September 03, 2015, 10:28:41 AM
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on September 03, 2015, 10:31:35 AM
rick daris, if you hadn't had children, you'd have enough money by now to retire do novel stuff everyday.
Actually probably not true and I would be even more bored. Like zzzzzzzzzz.
i am positive you'd have the money. roid was right about you needing to hobby up. bored without work, now i've heard everything.
i really don't think i would. i didn't start making actual money until 2003 and i have a bunch of student loans. i'm up for the hobby thing but i think it would have to be one that i could do at work as well and i can't really think of anything. goEMAW is my only work hobby. i'm open for suggestions.
were you ever bored in past summers or is it just this weak ass combo fanning season that has you in a funk?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 03, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
Hopefully. However, not too much. A fellow K-State'r got me in the doors on this one. It would be higher pay, some travel, out of this gross industry, and something I feel like I could thrive in. :crossfingers:I just got done with my 4th interview with this company this morning. Knowing that my current company walks people out when they put in their two weeks, they asked if they offered, if I could start on Tuesday. I told them: "I believe so". They told me to expect a call tonight or tomorrow. :crossfingers:GJ, Wacky! Are you going to spill your guts on every detail when this is all over? I sure hope so!!
Post by: sys on September 03, 2015, 11:59:03 AM
i really don't think i would. i didn't start making actual money until 2003 and i have a bunch of student loans. i'm up for the hobby thing but i think it would have to be one that i could do at work as well and i can't really think of anything. goEMAW is my only work hobby. i'm open for suggestions.
12 years is more than enough time to generate your retirement fund. how bad was your debt situ?
since you hate animals, why don't you make travel your hobby? you already enjoy posting about trips you don't take, just transition to taking those trips.
Post by: puniraptor on September 03, 2015, 12:04:38 PM
Post by: SdK on September 03, 2015, 01:07:57 PM
I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
Post by: Institutional Control on September 03, 2015, 01:13:17 PM
I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
tip: don't tell prospective employer you don't plan to be around in a year.
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 03, 2015, 01:14:07 PM
Have you considered delving further into your ears and "sound" interests?
I already tried to get him to join a band with me.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 03, 2015, 01:16:33 PM
Have you considered delving further into your ears and "sound" interests?
I already tried to get him to join a band with me.
Perhaps he could go around to your shows and give people tinnitus advice and tell them how far away from the stage they need to stand.
Post by: SdK on September 03, 2015, 01:17:37 PM
Oh I wouldn't. I'd just rather go into a job I already know how to do well and start contributing right away. Rather than go through growing pains. I dunno. Just doesn't feel right to me.I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
tip: don't tell prospective employer you don't plan to be around in a year.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 03, 2015, 01:20:24 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on September 03, 2015, 01:29:22 PM
You can move anywhere around the country with the union (I think, I've never been part of one)
pretty much. your benefit plans may change, but they will recognize your status.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on September 03, 2015, 01:30:19 PM
Oh I wouldn't. I'd just rather go into a job I already know how to do well and start contributing right away. Rather than go through growing pains. I dunno. Just doesn't feel right to me.I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
tip: don't tell prospective employer you don't plan to be around in a year.
you would test-in and be eligible for work immediately, then receive training throughout your apprenticeship period.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 03, 2015, 02:16:46 PM
i really don't think i would. i didn't start making actual money until 2003 and i have a bunch of student loans. i'm up for the hobby thing but i think it would have to be one that i could do at work as well and i can't really think of anything. goEMAW is my only work hobby. i'm open for suggestions.
12 years is more than enough time to generate your retirement fund. how bad was your debt situ?
since you hate animals, why don't you make travel your hobby? you already enjoy posting about trips you don't take, just transition to taking those trips.
more student debt than you would think. the police academy isn't cheap.
as a whole, i think i just need to come up with a way to make my work interesting. like maybe give myself some goals or something or come up with a hobby i can get into while i'm at work. i'm currently going on my third month of not even knowing who my boss is. like nobody knows. not me, not anyone. so i just kind of show up when i think i need to and do my stuff and then just go home when i can. i've also been doing this job for a while and nothing ever changes. nothing.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 03, 2015, 02:34:14 PM
Oh I wouldn't. I'd just rather go into a job I already know how to do well and start contributing right away. Rather than go through growing pains. I dunno. Just doesn't feel right to me.I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
tip: don't tell prospective employer you don't plan to be around in a year.
my opinion is to make a big decision to do something real and then don't be afraid to quit if it was the wrong decision. you can't spend the rest of your life in "i'm still thinking about what i want to do mode and don't want to really do anything cause i'm not sure where i'll be or if it's the right choice or whatever." well i mean you could but i still think my suggestion is the better one long term.
Post by: sys on September 03, 2015, 02:38:55 PM
as a whole, i think i just need to come up with a way to make my work interesting. like maybe give myself some goals or something or come up with a hobby i can get into while i'm at work. i'm currently going on my third month of not even knowing who my boss is. like nobody knows. not me, not anyone. so i just kind of show up when i think i need to and do my stuff and then just go home when i can. i've also been doing this job for a while and nothing ever changes. nothing.
maybe you could get really into office politics and make that your hobby. like, for now, concentrate on making everyone think that you're your boss and also the boss of most of them. do that for a month or two and see how you like it.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on September 03, 2015, 02:41:40 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 03, 2015, 02:55:13 PM
rick you need another thread bro or are you good?
i'm good. thanks, friend.
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 03, 2015, 04:26:02 PM
Post by: SdK on September 03, 2015, 04:26:32 PM
I'm joining the Navy once I am off probation for reasons similar to this. I just need a job I enjoy til then.Oh I wouldn't. I'd just rather go into a job I already know how to do well and start contributing right away. Rather than go through growing pains. I dunno. Just doesn't feel right to me.I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
tip: don't tell prospective employer you don't plan to be around in a year.
my opinion is to make a big decision to do something real and then don't be afraid to quit if it was the wrong decision. you can't spend the rest of your life in "i'm still thinking about what i want to do mode and don't want to really do anything cause i'm not sure where i'll be or if it's the right choice or whatever." well i mean you could but i still think my suggestion is the better one long term.
Post by: michigancat on September 03, 2015, 04:30:52 PM
All but got the offer after my interview today. The salary is a little below what I finished my last Ft job at. New career path, good company. Decision time.How long has it been since you had a full time job? I would say ask for more money unless you've painted yourself into a corner somehow or are desperate for work.
Post by: pissclams on September 03, 2015, 04:33:50 PM
All but got the offer after my interview today. The salary is a little below what I finished my last Ft job at. New career path, good company. Decision time.today's money isn't as important as the opportunity to make more tomorrow. if the new company appears to offer long term advancement opportunity with $$, it would be hard to turn down, assuming the current offer isn't significantly lower than your expectation.
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 03, 2015, 04:34:34 PM
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 03, 2015, 04:37:51 PM
All but got the offer after my interview today. The salary is a little below what I finished my last Ft job at. New career path, good company. Decision time.today's money isn't as important as the opportunity to make more tomorrow. if the new company appears to offer long term advancement opportunity with $$, it would be hard to turn down, assuming the current offer isn't significantly lower than your expectation.
That's a good point. There is the promise for promotion not terribly long from now, and they've grown rapidly.
Post by: michigancat on September 03, 2015, 04:45:34 PM
Their promises don't mean crap.
Post by: michigancat on September 03, 2015, 04:48:09 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 03, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/03/news/economy/jobs-wages-salary-quitting/
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 03, 2015, 04:49:43 PM
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush! (:fatty:)Yep. I've learned that the hard way.
Their promises don't mean crap.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 03, 2015, 06:15:19 PM
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Post by: Tobias on September 03, 2015, 06:54:55 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 03, 2015, 07:10:52 PM
eff off, for-profit schools :excited:YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! Two week notice tomorrow, right in their rough ridin' balls!!!! Have a good weekend, dumbasses! :lol: :emawkid:
Also, shout out to my boy @Michigancat for helping me with my resume! Go qatz!
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 03, 2015, 08:16:27 PM
i'd pay to see the look on the HR lady's face after she searched your social media/online presence:lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 03, 2015, 08:18:09 PM
Post by: Tobias on September 03, 2015, 08:25:32 PM
i'd pay to see the look on the HR lady's face after she searched your social media/online presence
her own file is now labeled "#blessed"
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 03, 2015, 09:31:12 PM
Rick Daris, as you may know, one of my hobbies is making silly ksu related pics/videos. I take this hobby to work all the time. Like today I was super duper bored in the morning so I did this and the time just flew by.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/646/21126487815_a97bd0d8a5_z.jpg)
Squertz Palledorous
if you only posted once a week you would still be one of the top 7 posters on this web blog.
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Post by: Stevesie60 on September 04, 2015, 02:47:40 AM
Rick Daris, as you may know, one of my hobbies is making silly ksu related pics/videos. I take this hobby to work all the time. Like today I was super duper bored in the morning so I did this and the time just flew by.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/646/21126487815_a97bd0d8a5_z.jpg)
Squertz Palledorous
if you only posted once a week you would still be one of the top 7 posters on this web blog.
But don't get too greedy _33, Daris has already started a thread about how I'm the best poster here so I'd say the #1 spot will be locked up for quite a while.
Post by: michigancat on September 04, 2015, 07:57:59 AM
Apparently you missed my "everyone loves Kevin Durant" masterpieceok rusty
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 04, 2015, 08:00:10 AM
Rick Daris, as you may know, one of my hobbies is making silly ksu related pics/videos. I take this hobby to work all the time. Like today I was super duper bored in the morning so I did this and the time just flew by.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/646/21126487815_a97bd0d8a5_z.jpg)
Squertz Palledorous
if you only posted once a week you would still be one of the top 7 posters on this web blog.
But don't get too greedy _33, Daris has already started a thread about how I'm the best poster here so I'd say the #1 spot will be locked up for quite a while.
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/z5rRZdiu1UE/hqdefault.jpg)
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 04, 2015, 09:46:44 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on September 04, 2015, 09:48:08 AM
I'm out! Going golfing! Drops mic!
:excited:
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 04, 2015, 09:48:17 AM
I'm out! Going golfing! Drops mic!
:lol:
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 04, 2015, 10:04:30 AM
I'm out! Going golfing! Drops mic!
Did you hug your boss before you left?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 04, 2015, 10:05:19 AM
I bet wacky was smug AF when he told them what's whati know you're naturally a piece of crap, but I'm pretty nice IRL. I thanked them for their time, told my manager how much I appreciated him, etc. my bday was Wednesday, but they were gonna present me with my cake today. :frown:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 04, 2015, 10:05:57 AM
yes.I'm out! Going golfing! Drops mic!
Did you hug your boss before you left?
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on September 04, 2015, 10:07:13 AM
I bet wacky was smug AF when he told them what's whati know you're naturally a piece of crap, but I'm pretty nice IRL. I thanked them for their time, told my manager how much I appreciated him, etc. my bday was Wednesday, but they were gonna present me with my cake today. :frown:
well that's awkward. Did they go ahead and give you the cake?
Post by: meow meow on September 04, 2015, 10:09:35 AM
I bet wacky was smug AF when he told them what's whati know you're naturally a piece of crap, but I'm pretty nice IRL. I thanked them for their time, told my manager how much I appreciated him, etc. my bday was Wednesday, but they were gonna present me with my cake today. :frown:
damn son, go golfing already
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 04, 2015, 10:16:08 AM
nah. I told him I'd take him out for drinks soon. I felt bad.I bet wacky was smug AF when he told them what's whati know you're naturally a piece of crap, but I'm pretty nice IRL. I thanked them for their time, told my manager how much I appreciated him, etc. my bday was Wednesday, but they were gonna present me with my cake today. :frown:
well that's awkward. Did they go ahead and give you the cake?
Post by: _33 on September 04, 2015, 11:30:36 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 04, 2015, 01:37:50 PM
Wacky, I know you are golfing and it might be a bit late to ask you this question, but do you have a signed offer?Yes.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 04, 2015, 03:30:47 PM
Sorry. I'm better now. :)I bet wacky was smug AF when he told them what's whati know you're naturally a piece of crap, but I'm pretty nice IRL. I thanked them for their time, told my manager how much I appreciated him, etc. my bday was Wednesday, but they were gonna present me with my cake today. :frown:
damn son, go golfing already
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 04, 2015, 08:17:32 PM
I know many fresh out of school attorneys start in the 40s to 50s range, which could make paying back school debt a long-term deal.
Too late for the career change?
Post by: wetwillie on September 04, 2015, 08:25:18 PM
Attorneycats can probably help me here. Say an individual in his mid-30s is considering law school, taking a lsat prep course and earned a 153 before learning much about the LSAT. He has an offer for a job that would pay 40k now, with opportunity to escalate fairly quickly. Law school will be about 12k annually without scholarships or aid.
I know many fresh out of school attorneys start in the 40s to 50s range, which could make paying back school debt a long-term deal.
Too late for the career change?
why do you want to be an attorney?
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 04, 2015, 08:29:43 PM
Post by: chum1 on September 04, 2015, 08:31:24 PM
Post by: Spracne on September 04, 2015, 08:53:13 PM
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 04, 2015, 09:03:21 PM
Post by: The Big Train on September 04, 2015, 09:05:44 PM
Post by: The Big Train on September 04, 2015, 09:07:19 PM
I bet his iq isn't over 100 :ROFL:
Post by: Spracne on September 04, 2015, 09:09:46 PM
Edit: @moscribe re: eminent domain cases in Lawrence
Post by: CNS on September 04, 2015, 09:10:01 PM
Post by: Spracne on September 04, 2015, 09:12:53 PM
what is spracne compensating for you guysGet off my nutz, "the big train."
I bet his iq isn't over 100 :ROFL:
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 04, 2015, 09:17:47 PM
Are there?
Edit: @moscribe re: eminent domain cases in Lawrence
You probably missed this when finishing up your third year at Harvard: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3136518/posts
Post by: Spracne on September 04, 2015, 09:21:01 PM
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 04, 2015, 09:24:50 PM
Post by: Spracne on September 04, 2015, 09:27:11 PM
Post by: The Big Train on September 04, 2015, 09:33:02 PM
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 04, 2015, 09:34:10 PM
I'm smarter than you, is what I'm getting at, here.
If Ad hominem attacks are what define intelligence, then you're the best, bud.
Post by: The Big Train on September 04, 2015, 09:43:43 PM
http://www.alphascore.com/resources/lsat-score-conversion/#chart
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 04, 2015, 10:01:57 PM
spracne is in the 97th percentile :Wha:
http://www.alphascore.com/resources/lsat-score-conversion/#chart
:ROFL:
Post by: Spracne on September 04, 2015, 10:02:57 PM
I'm smarter than you, is what I'm getting at, here.
If Ad Nominee attacks are what define intelligence, then you're the best, bud.
Que? Ad hominem?
Post by: Spracne on September 04, 2015, 10:07:33 PM
Post by: The Big Train on September 04, 2015, 10:09:25 PM
Post by: Missouriscribe on September 04, 2015, 10:15:02 PM
i feel so sorry for your parents :frown:I don't. It's got to be mostly their fault. "That's not good enough, son. Go and practice your puns until dinner. No Jayhawks football until you do."
Post by: Spracne on September 04, 2015, 10:53:09 PM
Post by: The Big Train on September 04, 2015, 10:57:30 PM
T's
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 04, 2015, 11:23:51 PM
Attorneycats can probably help me here. Say an individual in his mid-30s is considering law school, taking a lsat prep course and earned a 153 before learning much about the LSAT. He has an offer for a job that would pay 40k now, with opportunity to escalate fairly quickly. Law school will be about 12k annually without scholarships or aid.
I know many fresh out of school attorneys start in the 40s to 50s range, which could make paying back school debt a long-term deal.
Too late for the career change?
yes, too late. Pm for details
Post by: Boom Roasted on September 11, 2015, 09:25:04 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 11, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Surprised wacky hasn't told us how awesome his new job is yetIt's pretty awesome. I have no reception somehow at work, so a much needed bbs break is coming. I work for a corporate dental company as a national doctor recruiter for our practices. I'll travel to schools and talk to upcoming grads and also recruit from our home base. Going to Ohio State next week! :Woot:
-Posted from the side of the road, waiting for my tow, because my popped tire melted on. :frown:
Post by: steve dave on September 11, 2015, 09:46:07 AM
b) lol
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 11, 2015, 09:46:51 AM
Post by: puniraptor on September 11, 2015, 09:47:38 AM
cars thread: what god is punishing you?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 11, 2015, 09:49:55 AM
sounds like a great fun job, wacky. gratzAgreed! 8-5 too with weekends off. Unheard of for me.
cars thread: what god is punishing you?
I think what ever God is doing this, is trying to keep me level headed. Doesn't want me to feel too good about life. :)
Post by: puniraptor on September 11, 2015, 09:52:27 AM
just post your signature and consider this a binding contract
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 11, 2015, 09:54:11 AM
i will seriously sell you the hellantra for $999 when i leave. all your problems will be solved.Wackycat08
just post your signature and consider this a binding contract
Post by: puniraptor on September 11, 2015, 09:56:17 AM
i will seriously sell you the hellantra for $999 when i leave. all your problems will be solved.Wackycat08
just post your signature and consider this a binding contract
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Congrats on the job and the new car!Thanks! :Woot:
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Post by: Boom Roasted on September 11, 2015, 10:11:51 AM
Sounds like you drove a little too far on the rim...
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 11, 2015, 10:14:43 AM
I had to. I was driving on 69 south coming to the 435 split. I had no shoulder. :frown:
Post by: Trim on September 11, 2015, 10:15:05 AM
Post by: eastcat on September 12, 2015, 09:22:48 AM
Post by: Canary on September 12, 2015, 10:56:15 AM
eastcat starts a new job on monday :ohno:Congrats and good luck.
Post by: slobber on September 12, 2015, 11:50:56 AM
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Post by: eastcat on September 12, 2015, 12:42:24 PM
Good luck! Is it something you have been hoping for?Thanks guys
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Not sure yet but I think so.
It's an analyst position at a large bank on the east coast.
Coming from a small firm in kc, it's a jump.
Post by: Canary on September 12, 2015, 12:50:16 PM
Sounds sweet. If you've never been to the east coast there is lots to see and do. Enjoy the experience.Good luck! Is it something you have been hoping for?Thanks guys
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Not sure yet but I think so.
It's an analyst position at a large bank on the east coast.
Coming from a small firm in kc, it's a jump.
Post by: eastcat on September 18, 2015, 06:36:26 PM
It's a pretty crazy setup, 1,500 analysts in a building with no windows, job is super complex with no formal training. Expected 'learning' time is 3-6 months.
Benefits and pay are fortune 30 awesome tho.
Post by: slobber on September 18, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: CNS on September 18, 2015, 07:31:31 PM
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Post by: The Big Train on September 18, 2015, 07:49:04 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 18, 2015, 07:55:54 PM
What's the suicide rate?
Gonna win 'em all!
Cant jump out of a building with no windows
Post by: eastcat on September 18, 2015, 10:53:10 PM
What's the suicide rate?
Gonna win 'em all!
Cant jump out of a building with no windows
You have a point here and it does seem deliberate.
Most have been there since 08' or earlier. Nobody knows my name yet, yet I have received 440 emails this week alone :dunno:
It will take some getting used to.
Post by: The Big Train on September 18, 2015, 11:01:37 PM
Post by: eastcat on September 18, 2015, 11:03:56 PM
i recommend sending emails that reflect how you post on this blog
its a brash environment, I doubt anyone would notice.
Someone used the term "get mumped" on a conference call tuesday. I'll be fine. :thumbs:
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2015, 02:09:06 PM
Post by: Gooch on September 29, 2015, 02:22:47 PM
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2015, 02:24:30 PM
:sdeek: That is a lot of Cats FB game to not drink to much at
those urinals are bound to run into some trouble at some point. nature cannot be held back forever.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2015, 02:58:47 PM
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2015, 03:00:14 PM
What about my car, Puni? :impatient:
its getting better every day, man!
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2015, 03:02:03 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2015, 03:23:50 PM
Post by: SdK on October 11, 2015, 04:56:51 PM
Post by: The Big Train on October 11, 2015, 04:58:43 PM
bump in pay? something you would like better? relocation?
Post by: SdK on October 11, 2015, 05:08:37 PM
Post by: Canary on October 11, 2015, 05:14:38 PM
Post by: SdK on October 11, 2015, 05:18:06 PM
Post by: slobber on October 11, 2015, 05:23:16 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: hjfklmor on October 12, 2015, 01:55:13 PM
Due to an existing relationship with my current employer, I have to run it by my HR before I can interview. :dubious: Yeah that'll go well.
Post by: eastcat on October 12, 2015, 09:38:23 PM
Have an interview with a firm in Kansas City. :)
Due to an existing relationship with my current employer, I have to run it by my HR before I can interview. :dubious: Yeah that'll go well.
ouch. I have always wondered how these conversations play out.
Post by: OK_Cat on October 13, 2015, 02:12:47 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 13, 2015, 02:39:41 PM
lol. I was joking, but yes, obviously I wouldn't.I'm referring to actually posting your original post, too.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2015, 02:40:05 PM
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Post by: CNS on October 13, 2015, 05:20:04 PM
Post by: meow meow on October 13, 2015, 05:22:10 PM
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Post by: SdK on October 13, 2015, 05:55:40 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2015, 06:26:34 PM
Will he ever learn?Says the guy who wants to date his coworker.
Post by: OK_Cat on October 13, 2015, 06:27:36 PM
Post by: slobber on October 13, 2015, 07:05:28 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: SdK on October 13, 2015, 10:49:17 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/13/9a2dd9937dade2b4a534a536a84f2475.jpg)Will he ever learn?Says the guy who wants to date his coworker.
"Hang in there buddy"
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 13, 2015, 10:56:01 PM
Post by: SdK on October 13, 2015, 11:59:59 PM
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Post by: slobber on October 14, 2015, 05:11:00 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: SdK on October 14, 2015, 05:41:28 PM
Post by: Tobias on October 14, 2015, 05:53:51 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 15, 2015, 09:36:16 AM
Post by: meow meow on October 15, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 15, 2015, 09:56:23 AM
congrats on doing your jobThanks, jackass! :cheers:
Post by: slobber on October 15, 2015, 10:00:35 AM
congrats on doing your job
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: slobber on October 15, 2015, 10:00:48 AM
congrats on doing your jobThanks, jackass! :cheers:
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: slobber on October 15, 2015, 10:01:04 AM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 15, 2015, 10:01:32 AM
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Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2015, 06:08:34 AM
Post by: CopperBowl on November 21, 2015, 06:19:05 AM
Get an MBA and get good grades
Worst advice I've ever heard uttered by SD. Maybe "Get an MBA [at a good school] and get good grades". But get an MBA at U of whatevercommuterschool is near you and have fun paying your student loans for the next 10 years with little marginal benefit.
If I see your resume and it's clear you never attended real life classes to obtain your degree, pass.
Post by: CNS on November 21, 2015, 06:59:11 AM
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2015, 07:09:01 AM
Get an MBA and get good grades
Worst advice I've ever heard uttered by SD. Maybe "Get an MBA [at a good school] and get good grades". But get an MBA at U of whatevercommuterschool is near you and have fun paying your student loans for the next 10 years with little marginal benefit.
If I see your resume and it's clear you never attended real life classes to obtain your degree, pass.
Don't put words in my mouth crap brain
Post by: CopperBowl on November 21, 2015, 07:11:50 AM
Get an MBA and get good grades
Worst advice I've ever heard uttered by SD. Maybe "Get an MBA [at a good school] and get good grades". But get an MBA at U of whatevercommuterschool is near you and have fun paying your student loans for the next 10 years with little marginal benefit.
If I see your resume and it's clear you never attended real life classes to obtain your degree, pass.
Don't put words in my mouth crap brain
Wanna fight tough guy??
MBA's are the most overrated thing in this world. Way more than Beyoncé or bacon.
Post by: wetwillie on November 21, 2015, 07:38:03 AM
Post by: slobber on November 21, 2015, 09:26:00 AM
I will kick your ass.Get an MBA and get good grades
Worst advice I've ever heard uttered by SD. Maybe "Get an MBA [at a good school] and get good grades". But get an MBA at U of whatevercommuterschool is near you and have fun paying your student loans for the next 10 years with little marginal benefit.
If I see your resume and it's clear you never attended real life classes to obtain your degree, pass.
Don't put words in my mouth crap brain
Wanna fight tough guy??
MBA's are the most overrated thing in this world. Way more than Beyoncé or bacon.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2015, 09:28:52 AM
So...hopefully gonna graduate in May. Changed my major just so I can graduate because I'm tired of school basically. Major in Social Science and Minor in Mass Communications. No idea what is gonna happen once I get that piece of paper, but I'll cross that bridge when it comes. Any ideas? Thinking about moving down to Austin with a buddy who already resides there now.Work for a startup in Austin and be willing to do any type of work for them.
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Post by: CopperBowl on November 21, 2015, 09:35:05 AM
So...hopefully gonna graduate in May. Changed my major just so I can graduate because I'm tired of school basically. Major in Social Science and Minor in Mass Communications. No idea what is gonna happen once I get that piece of paper, but I'll cross that bridge when it comes. Any ideas? Thinking about moving down to Austin with a buddy who already resides there now.Work for a startup in Austin and be willing to do any type of work for them.
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Looks like Rusty wins this advice battle.
Congrats.
Post by: SdK on November 21, 2015, 12:49:09 PM
This is a huge deal for me. I'm excited.
Post by: Canary on November 21, 2015, 03:05:30 PM
Rumors that I'll be getting promoted to a 40k+ a year job. Boss told me to "keep doing what you're doing because good things are coming your way, trust me."Best of luck with that, SdK. I'm sure you've earned it.
This is a huge deal for me. I'm excited.
Post by: nicname on November 25, 2015, 05:54:09 PM
also, :ohno:.
Post by: ben ji on November 26, 2015, 09:15:45 AM
Backstory-
Interviewed with a company about 3 years ago but didn't get the job. I stayed in contact with the two people who interviewed me since we are in the same industry etc etc. About 3 months ago these 2 people left and started a new company (more of a new division inside an established company, around 10 employees total) and it just so happens that one of my friends is in the HR department.
Friend approaches me about working for them and sets up a meeting with the people I had previously interviewed with.
We had lunch about 2 weeks ago and things went great, talked compensation/job duties/expectations/etc etc. They were looking for someone to start in Jan/Feb and told me to contact them after thanksgiving with a time frame on when I could start and they would send me an offer letter.
Current story-
I have never received an official "Offer letter" in my 2 post college jobs and obviously don't have it yet...but assuming they send me one in the next couple of weeks how should I approach it to get the best deal possible?
What are some specifics to ask for? What should I look out for?
All advice is wecome
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2015, 09:33:26 AM
Lets help ben ji out and teach him about "Offer letters" and how to get the best compensation package possible.
Backstory-
Interviewed with a company about 3 years ago but didn't get the job. I stayed in contact with the two people who interviewed me since we are in the same industry etc etc. About 3 months ago these 2 people left and started a new company (more of a new division inside an established company, around 10 employees total) and it just so happens that one of my friends is in the HR department.
Friend approaches me about working for them and sets up a meeting with the people I had previously interviewed with.
We had lunch about 2 weeks ago and things went great, talked compensation/job duties/expectations/etc etc. They were looking for someone to start in Jan/Feb and told me to contact them after thanksgiving with a time frame on when I could start and they would send me an offer letter.
Current story-
I have never received an official "Offer letter" in my 2 post college jobs and obviously don't have it yet...but assuming they send me one in the next couple of weeks how should I approach it to get the best deal possible?
What are some specifics to ask for? What should I look out for?
All advice is wecome
quick thoughts:
If they are making the first offer you should be in a good spot.
Research salaries at other companies in the area/industry to get a better idea of your worth. (I don't know if glassdoor is active in kc, but it was very helpful in my recent search). Try to get an ideal number in your head now so you're prepared and can move quickly.
Don't be afraid to negotiate even though it's people you know well.
Make sure you're clear on vacation policy and other benefits before you agree to anything.
Negotiate vacation if they can't meet your salary demands but you still want the job.
And obviously think about why you're making this move. How does it help you in the next year? In five years?
wait, it looks like you already have compensation settled, so you can ignore the others
Post by: CNS on November 26, 2015, 09:37:31 AM
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Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2015, 09:50:18 AM
Do what mich suggested. Just because you guys already discussed details doesn't mean those will be the details in the letter.Yeah definitely look for discrepancies between what you discussed and what is on the letter. Ask for clarification in writing wherever it is lacking.
Post by: ben ji on November 26, 2015, 10:02:14 AM
Post by: slobber on November 26, 2015, 10:08:44 AM
If there is any possibility of ownership, however small, ask for that.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: CNS on November 26, 2015, 10:10:35 AM
Post by: ben ji on November 26, 2015, 12:18:20 PM
If you already discussed everything and indicated your salary at that time, then as long as the letter mirrors what you discussed, just sign it. Don't need to be a dick if everything is kosher.
If there is any possibility of ownership, however small, ask for that.
Gonna win 'em all!
Good point on the ownership. How should I approach it?
From what I know the company I would work at is one of 4 or 5 other companies (related but not competitors) underneath the privately held parent company.
See if they have company stock? Any key phrases or terms to ask about so I don't look like a total noob?
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2015, 12:26:35 PM
Also, ownership is basically additional compensation, so if it hasn't been mentioned yet (and it sounds like you agreed on compensation) it's not part of the offer and you would probably sound like a noob discussing it now.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 26, 2015, 01:50:53 PM
Post by: slobber on November 26, 2015, 05:01:28 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: slobber on November 26, 2015, 05:07:16 PM
Another buddy if mine left a long term gig and went to work for a start up. Negotiated a small ownership in that company, which sold less than a year after he went to work for them. Boom. Summer of Mark. He took the family on beech vacations and to Italy all summer. Now he is starting his own consulting business and smiling so wide he could eat a banana sideways. .
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: star seed 7 on November 26, 2015, 05:13:40 PM
Post by: slobber on November 26, 2015, 06:29:36 PM
Are beech vacations expensive?he took 5 months off and went on vacations with his family.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: puniraptor on December 01, 2015, 02:37:09 AM
Post by: slobber on December 01, 2015, 06:02:37 AM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: puniraptor on December 01, 2015, 06:08:32 AM
Oh crap. Renege! Renege!And dishonor my ancestors???
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: chum1 on December 01, 2015, 06:17:08 AM
And dishonor my ancestors???
:love:
Post by: AbeFroman on December 15, 2015, 11:32:36 AM
Post by: slobber on December 15, 2015, 11:33:45 AM
What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.show up in workout clothes.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2015, 11:36:43 AM
What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
1.5 days
Post by: Canary on December 15, 2015, 11:40:11 AM
What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.When I got the job I am currently in (14 years) thr first step was a screening interview. They told me to expect about 30 minutes. I arrived about twenty minutes early just to get myself settled and prepared. They greeted me right away and asked if I wanted to start the screening since they were ready and I was there. We started at about 10:15. When we were still visiting about my philosophy and my leadership self- reflection at about 12:40, I knew they were interested in calling me back. It was grueling. They followed that up a week later with the entire panel (11 interviewers) and an interview that lasted two hours. They had two more finalists lined up for interviews. I received a call several hours later with an offer.
Post by: AbeFroman on December 15, 2015, 11:46:21 AM
What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
1.5 days
Non-stop? Or are you talking about a 9-5 plus another 9-1pm the next day?
Post by: SdK on December 15, 2015, 12:25:50 PM
Did you accept the offer?What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.When I got the job I am currently in (14 years) thr first step was a screening interview. They told me to expect about 30 minutes. I arrived about twenty minutes early just to get myself settled and prepared. They greeted me right away and asked if I wanted to start the screening since they were ready and I was there. We started at about 10:15. When we were still visiting about my philosophy and my leadership self- reflection at about 12:40, I knew they were interested in calling me back. It was grueling. They followed that up a week later with the entire panel (11 interviewers) and an interview that lasted two hours. They had two more finalists lined up for interviews. I received a call several hours later with an offer.
Post by: Canary on December 15, 2015, 12:28:05 PM
Since it's the job I am currently in...yes, I accepted the offer. How's it going, SdK?Did you accept the offer?What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.When I got the job I am currently in (14 years) thr first step was a screening interview. They told me to expect about 30 minutes. I arrived about twenty minutes early just to get myself settled and prepared. They greeted me right away and asked if I wanted to start the screening since they were ready and I was there. We started at about 10:15. When we were still visiting about my philosophy and my leadership self- reflection at about 12:40, I knew they were interested in calling me back. It was grueling. They followed that up a week later with the entire panel (11 interviewers) and an interview that lasted two hours. They had two more finalists lined up for interviews. I received a call several hours later with an offer.
Post by: SdK on December 15, 2015, 12:39:58 PM
Post by: Canary on December 15, 2015, 12:43:21 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2015, 03:55:15 PM
What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
I've had all day interviews, but it was more of a series of meetings with different departments. Are you going to be in with the same group the entire time? I always like to know who I'm interviewing ahead of time so I can get my head around what I need to prepare for.
Post by: chum1 on December 15, 2015, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 15, 2015, 04:10:27 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2015, 04:38:16 PM
What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
1.5 days
Non-stop? Or are you talking about a 9-5 plus another 9-1pm the next day?
It was a 9-dinner and like 9-11 the next day.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 15, 2015, 07:29:45 PM
Post by: slobber on December 15, 2015, 07:50:17 PM
Do you guys ever call in sick because you are getting stressed out being at work and you want to scream and punch someone while you are there? Just wondering.Just scream and punch them. You're a girl...it won't get you fired and you probably can't hurt them with your little girly punch anyway.
(Sorry you have to deal with an idiot MG. Christmas is just over a week away. Try to remain calm.)
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 15, 2015, 07:54:16 PM
Do you guys ever call in sick because you are getting stressed out being at work and you want to scream and punch someone while you are there? Just wondering.Just scream and punch them. You're a girl...it won't get you fired and you probably can't hurt them with your little girly punch anyway.
(Sorry you have to deal with an idiot MG. Christmas is just over a week away. Try to remain calm.)
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I'd probably get charged with assault with a deadly weapon.
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2015, 07:54:47 PM
Do you guys ever call in sick because you are getting stressed out being at work and you want to scream and punch someone while you are there? Just wondering.
I just type out passive aggressive emails and then delete them.
Post by: Boom Roasted on December 15, 2015, 08:26:55 PM
We do a similar process. A decent amount is shadowing. Sometimes start after lunch instead of 9 the first day. Higher up positions generally have 4-7 interviews with different ppl plus dinners.What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
1.5 days
Non-stop? Or are you talking about a 9-5 plus another 9-1pm the next day?
It was a 9-dinner and like 9-11 the next day.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 16, 2015, 01:30:10 PM
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on December 16, 2015, 01:38:09 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 16, 2015, 01:40:27 PM
hire mrs wackyOMG! NO!
Post by: steve dave on December 16, 2015, 01:46:14 PM
Post by: slobber on December 16, 2015, 02:03:21 PM
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Post by: pissclams on December 16, 2015, 02:05:33 PM
Anybody well qualified for a marketing communications position?
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other than every 23 year old woman i know?
Post by: slobber on December 16, 2015, 02:14:24 PM
well qualified.Anybody well qualified for a marketing communications position?
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other than every 23 year old woman i know?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 16, 2015, 02:15:02 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 16, 2015, 02:38:13 PM
you mean like other than every 24 year old woman i know?well qualified.Anybody well qualified for a marketing communications position?
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Post by: Emo EMAW on December 16, 2015, 02:39:14 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 16, 2015, 02:42:45 PM
Do you guys ever call in sick because you are getting stressed out being at work and you want to scream and punch someone while you are there? Just wondering.
I actually did that Friday. Needed a break from work, so I took the day off and unplugged.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 16, 2015, 03:36:36 PM
Do you guys ever call in sick because you are getting stressed out being at work and you want to scream and punch someone while you are there? Just wondering.
I actually did that Friday. Needed a break from work, so I took the day off and unplugged.
I did the same thing on Friday too. :sdeek:
Post by: slobber on December 16, 2015, 03:52:49 PM
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Post by: AbeFroman on December 16, 2015, 05:15:58 PM
I had 7 interviews for a job one time. 6 different people, 1 twice. I had to travel for them as well so travel, hotel, food, etc was paid for each one (4 total trips).
Sounds fun. Any decent cities? I got to travel once as well, totally worth it to learn that Cinncinati is an ugly city. Free stuff tho!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 17, 2015, 10:16:07 AM
Post by: slobber on December 17, 2015, 10:17:11 AM
I just got told today, that they're expanding my role/territory since i'm doing so well. Guys!!! :love:Congrats! Does this mean you are going to make a couple of more Arky socks?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 17, 2015, 10:18:04 AM
Post by: slobber on December 17, 2015, 10:28:27 AM
Thanks! Maybe I will to celebrate!
Post by: Tobias on December 17, 2015, 10:33:50 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2015, 10:35:58 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 17, 2015, 10:37:56 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 17, 2015, 02:56:07 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2015, 02:57:23 PM
Post by: steve dave on December 17, 2015, 03:00:19 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 17, 2015, 03:02:42 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 17, 2015, 03:03:20 PM
I need to take at least 1.5 days of vacation before the end of the year or I will lose them. Which days do you think are the best to take off? I already get Dec 24-25, 31 & Jan 1 off.
Do you travel for Christmas? If so, I'd take off the 22 at noon to give yourself some sort of a weekend.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 17, 2015, 03:08:06 PM
Nice work wackyThanks, friend!
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 17, 2015, 03:10:54 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2015, 03:15:37 PM
Post by: CNS on December 17, 2015, 03:16:49 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2015, 03:19:29 PM
Post by: chum1 on December 17, 2015, 03:20:05 PM
after six months of not having a boss, it looks like I might be getting one in about 3 months. not v excited for this. :flush:
Oh, that's total bullshit.
I didn't have a boss for a while. When I finally got one, it was someone internal who didn't want the added responsibility, like, at all. It's been almost exactly like not having a boss. In fact, I didn't even know that this person was my boss for over a year.
Post by: CNS on December 17, 2015, 03:21:09 PM
My most recent was /250 (I got a 250 :gocho: )
Is that stars or raccoons?
Post by: CNS on December 17, 2015, 03:22:22 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2015, 03:24:10 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 17, 2015, 03:26:42 PM
Your evals are on the seven point system :horrorsurprise:
we're on a five point system and I got a five. he also has no idea what I do, doesn't want to know and doesn't want to be my boss. but I think he had some appreciation in the fact that I was able to do what I do without ever bothering him or causing problems for anyone.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 17, 2015, 03:31:52 PM
I need to take at least 1.5 days of vacation before the end of the year or I will lose them. Which days do you think are the best to take off? I already get Dec 24-25, 31 & Jan 1 off.
Do you travel for Christmas? If so, I'd take off the 22 at noon to give yourself some sort of a weekend.
We just drive on Christmas Eve a couple hours to my family and then back so we can go to his family on Christmas day.
Also, I can take off more than 1.5 days, those are just the days that are going to expire. Also, it is too late to take off tomorrow as lib suggested because I already have two 2 hour meetings tomorrow. :sdeek:
Also, I was thinking that I might want to work on the Wednesdays because our boss will probably tell us to leave at 3pm anyways...(maybe)
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2015, 03:35:09 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 17, 2015, 03:36:40 PM
Post by: slobber on December 17, 2015, 03:41:32 PM
What kind of police department is Riley county running when a patrol officer has no boss for half the yearShoot to kill. Don't cause problems.
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Post by: Emo EMAW on December 17, 2015, 03:42:47 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 18, 2015, 09:57:04 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 18, 2015, 11:15:46 AM
I need to take at least 1.5 days of vacation before the end of the year or I will lose them. Which days do you think are the best to take off? I already get Dec 24-25, 31 & Jan 1 off.
Do you travel for Christmas? If so, I'd take off the 22 at noon to give yourself some sort of a weekend.
We just drive on Christmas Eve a couple hours to my family and then back so we can go to his family on Christmas day.
Also, I can take off more than 1.5 days, those are just the days that are going to expire. Also, it is too late to take off tomorrow as lib suggested because I already have two 2 hour meetings tomorrow. :sdeek:
Also, I was thinking that I might want to work on the Wednesdays because our boss will probably tell us to leave at 3pm anyways...(maybe)
Take off 12/29 and morning of 12/29. Wake up late, do the afternoon at work refreshed and relaxed.
Post by: AbeFroman on December 18, 2015, 04:56:52 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 18, 2015, 05:06:39 PM
I just found out I have 3 days of PTO left when I only thought it was one. Christmas and/or NYE just got awesome-r. I could sit on them and let them roll over. Probably should use at least one, right? Already have Dec 24-27 and Dec 31-Jan 3 off. Thinking the 23rd is a good idea. Maybe the 30thIf you were planning on working anyway, bank them all. They're the easiest work days of the year.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 18, 2015, 06:33:32 PM
Post by: SdK on December 18, 2015, 09:11:28 PM
I'm more productive but not by too terribly much and I sign up for voluntary OT. He doesn't. Moral of the story: looks and people skills matter.
Post by: SdK on December 18, 2015, 09:11:48 PM
Post by: SdK on December 18, 2015, 09:11:59 PM
Post by: AbeFroman on December 18, 2015, 09:14:47 PM
I just found out I have 3 days of PTO left when I only thought it was one. Christmas and/or NYE just got awesome-r. I could sit on them and let them roll over. Probably should use at least one, right? Already have Dec 24-27 and Dec 31-Jan 3 off. Thinking the 23rd is a good idea. Maybe the 30thIf you were planning on working anyway, bank them all. They're the easiest work days of the year.
True. This is why I blog on goEMAW, reality checks.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 20, 2015, 07:27:21 PM
Post by: slobber on December 20, 2015, 07:45:42 PM
tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.This is a great question. I am looking forward to the responses. Me personally, I would have hired somebody by this point.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 20, 2015, 07:50:12 PM
tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.This is a great question. I am looking forward to the responses. Me personally, I would have hired somebody by this point.
:confused:
Post by: Kat Kid on December 20, 2015, 07:51:09 PM
tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.
It is typical to do them for my field and here is how I have done them. Think of it as a statement of purpose. Why are you applying for this job. That answer is all forward looking and focused on the job you are seeking, the skills that you offer that are a match the areas of strength you bring. Kind of like a highlights of the resume.
Post by: michigancat on December 20, 2015, 07:54:25 PM
tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.Yeah just go deeper into your resume and tailor it even more to the job description than you already did when tweaked your resume for the specific positron.
Post by: The Big Train on December 20, 2015, 07:55:40 PM
Post by: slobber on December 20, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
I haven't done one in a bazillion years. At this point, if I am ever out looking for a job, I will hire somebody to do my resume and write my cover letters (or at least guide me in writing them). The two major promotions I have gotten in the past 10 years were basically taps on the shoulder, so I didn't have to do this crap. I have tried to keep my resume up to date, but it probably pretty :lol: compared to a professional.tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.This is a great question. I am looking forward to the responses. Me personally, I would have hired somebody by this point.
:confused:
I know others wouldn't agree with me on paying somebody, but I have just seen how it has helped others over the past decade or so.
Post by: michigancat on December 20, 2015, 07:57:18 PM
Post by: Canary on December 20, 2015, 08:05:37 PM
Ive written cover letters for people before and have formatted resumes as well. There's nothing wrong with someone doing that for you.I haven't done one in a bazillion years. At this point, if I am ever out looking for a job, I will hire somebody to do my resume and write my cover letters (or at least guide me in writing them). The two major promotions I have gotten in the past 10 years were basically taps on the shoulder, so I didn't have to do this crap. I have tried to keep my resume up to date, but it probably pretty :lol: compared to a professional.tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.This is a great question. I am looking forward to the responses. Me personally, I would have hired somebody by this point.
:confused:
I know others wouldn't agree with me on paying somebody, but I have just seen how it has helped others over the past decade or so.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 20, 2015, 08:12:36 PM
the posting asks for a "brief" cover letter though, so that's better i guess.
Post by: wetwillie on December 20, 2015, 08:15:21 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 20, 2015, 08:17:24 PM
I thought you were moving to kc with your current gig?
I am, but I apply here and there out in michigancat land when i see something interesting. i'd like to move out there eventually, but the experience i'm getting at current job will probably help that more in another year or two.
Post by: michigancat on December 20, 2015, 08:20:55 PM
I thought you were moving to kc with your current gig?
I am, but I apply here and there out in michigancat land when i see something interesting. i'd like to move out there eventually, but the experience i'm getting at current job will probably help that more in another year or two.
I don't know why you haven't reached out to me about this. I KNOW PEOPLE DAMMIT
Post by: Canary on December 20, 2015, 08:24:47 PM
ugh, i'm horrible at talking about myself positively.Let me know if I can help.
the posting asks for a "brief" cover letter though, so that's better i guess.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 20, 2015, 09:20:46 PM
I thought you were moving to kc with your current gig?
I am, but I apply here and there out in michigancat land when i see something interesting. i'd like to move out there eventually, but the experience i'm getting at current job will probably help that more in another year or two.
I don't know why you haven't reached out to me about this. I KNOW PEOPLE DAMMIT
hook me up bro
Post by: DQ12 on December 21, 2015, 09:10:33 AM
Paragraph 1: Statement on who you are, and what you're applying to. Paragraph 2: Things/experiences about yourself that make you qualified for this specific job. Feel free to include details on the successes of your past projects or whatever experiences you list. Paragraph 3: What specifically attracts you about this job at this place? Paragraph 4/conclusion: Because of X, X and X I am confident that I would be a valuable addition to your team. List contact information. Thanks for your consideration.
Paragraph 2 and 3 can be switched too. That's just how I usually do them.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 21, 2015, 09:24:27 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 21, 2015, 09:27:52 AM
Pro tip: I never look at anyone's cover letter. Mainly just resume's.
What is the thing belonging to the resume that you look at?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 21, 2015, 09:32:41 AM
Their experience. I recruit doctors, so I guess you could say it's different. I mainly make sure to see that they have their diploma, back ground checks, license checks, reference checks, and we make them go through like 4 different interviews before they come on.Pro tip: I never look at anyone's cover letter. Mainly just resume's.
What is the thing belonging to the resume that you look at?
Recruiters/HR ppl get excited when resume's fly in. My manager literally wants me to call on everyone of them, whether they're a good fit or not, just to network. It really depends on the position, but if your background looks like you're qualified for that position, you'll usually at least get a call for a brief phone interview.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 21, 2015, 09:38:28 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 21, 2015, 09:50:35 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 21, 2015, 09:52:51 AM
I don't think someone who doesn't know the proper use of apostrophes is qualified to judge a doctor's resume.I have other skills that makes up for that, but thanks! ;)
Post by: hemmy on December 21, 2015, 10:25:39 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 21, 2015, 10:31:52 AM
Cover letters have got the be the dumbest thing ever conceived. They provide absolutely no value to anyone unless you just want to weed out people who can't form complete sentences.
still not as dumb as mission statements
Post by: Canary on December 21, 2015, 10:33:27 AM
Cover letters have got the be the dumbest thing ever conceived. They provide absolutely no value to anyone unless you just want to weed out people who can't form complete sentences.
What? I read the cover letters before I even look at the resume. That communication piece is huge when sorting out who might fit the work for which I am hiring. And in the business world it is fairly important that we weed out people who can't form complete sentences.
Post by: AbeFroman on December 21, 2015, 10:42:14 AM
Post by: CNS on December 21, 2015, 10:42:24 AM
Cover letters have got the be the dumbest thing ever conceived. They provide absolutely no value to anyone unless you just want to weed out people who can't form complete sentences.
That actually provides pretty important insight, I would think. Communication is so much of most ppl's jobs, but it seems to be overlooked a lot.
Post by: DQ12 on December 21, 2015, 11:00:24 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2015, 12:09:05 PM
I think it is an extra hurdle to weed people out. It separates those who do blind resume dumps from those who actually sat back for a second and really considered the reasons they want the particular job.
Yep. When I'm looking at applicants and someone doesn't write a cover letter while everyone else does, I assume the person who doesn't write the cover letter doesn't really want the job. It really doesn't require that much effort to write one if you've done it before.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on December 21, 2015, 12:21:29 PM
my biggest fear is spelling something wrong or saying the wrong thing, so i hardly ever change it. plus, they suck to write. i know the one i have works well and imo cover letters are just to show writing skills and give something other than just a list of the places youve worked.
Post by: ChiComCat on December 21, 2015, 01:09:20 PM
Post by: hemmy on December 21, 2015, 04:00:25 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on December 21, 2015, 04:01:33 PM
It kind of sounds like ChiCat works in a field where everyone loves to pat themselves on the back. The people I have interviewed I always told them NOT to dress up just to see if they follow directions or not. That said I still do all the things I am degrading (cover letters, wear a suit depending on the company). BUT I DON'T ENJOY IT!
Culture compels people to engage in all sorts of behavior they might not otherwise enjoy.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 21, 2015, 04:03:42 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on December 21, 2015, 04:06:45 PM
It kind of sounds like ChiCat works in a field where everyone loves to pat themselves on the back. The people I have interviewed I always told them NOT to dress up just to see if they follow directions or not. That said I still do all the things I am degrading (cover letters, wear a suit depending on the company). BUT I DON'T ENJOY IT!
I hope you're not in a position where you interview any longer, shitbag.
Post by: hemmy on December 21, 2015, 04:08:02 PM
It kind of sounds like ChiCat works in a field where everyone loves to pat themselves on the back. The people I have interviewed I always told them NOT to dress up just to see if they follow directions or not. That said I still do all the things I am degrading (cover letters, wear a suit depending on the company). BUT I DON'T ENJOY IT!
I hope you're not in a position where you interview any longer, shitbag.
Don't worry, you have to have more than a peanut brain to get hired.
Post by: pissclams on December 21, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
now the guy in overalls, don't know why he wasted my time this morning.
Post by: Asteriskhead on December 21, 2015, 04:17:19 PM
It kind of sounds like ChiCat works in a field where everyone loves to pat themselves on the back. The people I have interviewed I always told them NOT to dress up just to see if they follow directions or not. That said I still do all the things I am degrading (cover letters, wear a suit depending on the company). BUT I DON'T ENJOY IT!
I hope you're not in a position where you interview any longer, shitbag.
Don't worry, you have to have more than a peanut brain to get hired.
yup, that's exactly what i was getting after. you rough ridin' nailed it!
Post by: pissclams on December 21, 2015, 04:21:33 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on December 21, 2015, 04:32:09 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 21, 2015, 05:37:16 PM
Post by: AbeFroman on December 22, 2015, 06:37:17 AM
What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
I got the job :Woohoo:
Post by: slobber on December 22, 2015, 06:39:02 AM
Merry Christmas!What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
I got the job :Woohoo:
Congrats.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 22, 2015, 07:01:06 AM
Post by: AbeFroman on December 22, 2015, 08:58:11 AM
Post by: slobber on December 22, 2015, 09:13:45 AM
thanks! I'm very excited about this step up in job title (and the :kstategrad: step up)% increase?
Post by: AbeFroman on December 22, 2015, 09:17:34 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2015, 09:18:39 AM
Post by: Tobias on December 22, 2015, 09:18:58 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 22, 2015, 09:19:46 AM
Post by: slobber on December 22, 2015, 10:00:13 AM
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Post by: IPA4Me on December 22, 2015, 07:56:27 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 22, 2015, 10:03:55 PM
Post by: AbeFroman on December 23, 2015, 12:09:10 AM
Post by: TheProdigiousTalent on December 23, 2015, 02:05:18 AM
Cover letters matter to some people, which is why you should do it if it's a job you really want. I wrote one for the last two or three jobs I've gotten.Agree. I tried applying for a handful of internal positions within recent weeks (resume/profile only) - nothing. Then I sent a cover letter-like email for each job (but less paragraphy and boilerplatey) - something like 70% response rate within 2 days. That's all the evidence I need that they are worthwhile. I think software is one industry where the value is questionable given that sites like github and stackoverflow provide more meaningful predictors of competency than even resumes in many cases, but I think cover letters are a really, really good indcator of how much applicants care, which has to correlate to the odds of the applicant accepting the job (i.e., not wasting the hiring team's time) if offered.I think it is an extra hurdle to weed people out. It separates those who do blind resume dumps from those who actually sat back for a second and really considered the reasons they want the particular job.
Yep. When I'm looking at applicants and someone doesn't write a cover letter while everyone else does, I assume the person who doesn't write the cover letter doesn't really want the job. It really doesn't require that much effort to write one if you've done it before.
Also...I generally don't review cover letters of interviewees (interviews/resumes only), but I am genuinely shocked at how awful some of the follow-up ("thanks for ur time!", I never learned subject-verb agreement, etc.) emails are. I can only imagine how bad their cover letters must have been - would have been automatically no-piled if I'd been the one screening them. Side note: I generally assume that I overestimated someone's IQ by at least 10 points and that they are really desperate if they send a trite thank-you e-mail to my engineering team (through HR) after the interview. For eff's sake.
Recent revelation for me: "objective" statements are usually absurd and have no place in most resumes (unless your intentions are truly unclear). Ditching those 3-4 lines of nothingness allowed me to condense the old 'sume to one page and make pretty much every character breathtakingly impressive. I didn't realize that objectives have become passe. How embarrassing!
Post by: michigancat on December 23, 2015, 04:20:00 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2016, 02:53:30 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2016, 03:08:18 PM
Post by: meow meow on January 07, 2016, 03:33:23 PM
Post by: slobber on January 07, 2016, 07:18:21 PM
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Post by: ben ji on January 14, 2016, 09:20:19 AM
My company recognizes 12 holidays. We get 6 days off for the major ones (Christmas, new years, 4th of july etc) and 6 floating "personal holidays". The 6 "personal holidays" take the place of the random gov holidays like MLK, Presidents, columbus etc. We have to work on those days but can take our 6 personal holidays whenever we please, so its basically like an extra 6 days of vacation.
They also offer a HDHP and HSA so I'm going to head over to the investing thread and get some advice about the best way to use my HSA.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 14, 2016, 09:21:24 AM
Post by: ben ji on January 14, 2016, 09:58:14 AM
What rough ridin' Justin Bieber song is this?! :curse:
:D
Post by: chum1 on January 16, 2016, 11:38:30 AM
I want to go out and get something like a 1984 Porsche, but probably won't.
Post by: meow meow on January 16, 2016, 11:32:28 PM
My employer has erroneously been withholding for both employee only and family health benefits for like the past 15 months. So, I just got a check for $7500 and my paychecks will increase by like $200. :Woot:
I want to go out and get something like a 1984 Porsche, but probably won't.
Congrats on being a big enough dumbass not to notice that!
Post by: Tobias on January 16, 2016, 11:41:37 PM
Post by: AbeFroman on January 16, 2016, 11:45:12 PM
Post by: _33 on January 16, 2016, 11:50:01 PM
My previous employer erroneously withheld double on my health insurance one time so I went apeshit on them and immediately began applying for new jobs. Not only did I get the money back within a week but also got a new job and bailed on those dumbasses during the busiest time of the year.i
Sounds like you're the dumbass. You should have pretended not to notice for a year or so and then hit the jackpot like chum1.
Post by: AbeFroman on January 17, 2016, 12:02:49 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 17, 2016, 12:31:32 AM
My previous employer erroneously withheld double on my health insurance one time so I went apeshit on them and immediately began applying for new jobs. Not only did I get the money back within a week but also got a new job and bailed on those dumbasses during the busiest time of the year.i
This is a great over reaction
Post by: chum1 on January 17, 2016, 07:55:28 AM
Post by: SdK on January 17, 2016, 08:31:28 AM
The woman who made the mistake was apologizing profusely, but all I could think was, "I'm getting a check for $7500! SOOOOOO AWWWWESOME!" How can you even be pissed off when you get news like that?How does that work with pre and post tax deductions for insurance? Do you have to pay taxes on that money?
Post by: chum1 on January 17, 2016, 10:45:23 AM
The woman who made the mistake was apologizing profusely, but all I could think was, "I'm getting a check for $7500! SOOOOOO AWWWWESOME!" How can you even be pissed off when you get news like that?How does that work with pre and post tax deductions for insurance? Do you have to pay taxes on that money?
No idea. I assume my employer will handle all of that appropriately.
Post by: slobber on January 17, 2016, 11:13:52 AM
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Post by: SdK on January 17, 2016, 12:26:54 PM
Just saying it would shitty if it went from being untaxed to taxed income.The woman who made the mistake was apologizing profusely, but all I could think was, "I'm getting a check for $7500! SOOOOOO AWWWWESOME!" How can you even be pissed off when you get news like that?How does that work with pre and post tax deductions for insurance? Do you have to pay taxes on that money?
No idea. I assume my employer will handle all of that appropriately.
Post by: SdK on January 17, 2016, 12:27:37 PM
Well nevermind it should have been taxed to start with. So make sure you aren't looking at paying those taxes in the futureJust saying it would shitty if it went from being untaxed to taxed income.The woman who made the mistake was apologizing profusely, but all I could think was, "I'm getting a check for $7500! SOOOOOO AWWWWESOME!" How can you even be pissed off when you get news like that?How does that work with pre and post tax deductions for insurance? Do you have to pay taxes on that money?
No idea. I assume my employer will handle all of that appropriately.
Or whatever.
Post by: eastcat on January 17, 2016, 06:12:13 PM
The woman who made the mistake was apologizing profusely, but all I could think was, "I'm getting a check for $7500! SOOOOOO AWWWWESOME!" How can you even be pissed off when you get news like that?How does that work with pre and post tax deductions for insurance? Do you have to pay taxes on that money?
No idea. I assume my employer will handle all of that appropriately.
They clearly knew what they were doing to begin with, why worry now?
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on January 26, 2016, 09:12:28 AM
Post by: pissclams on January 26, 2016, 09:22:03 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on January 26, 2016, 09:24:03 AM
just pay someone to do it, there are a lot of formats you can use. a professional would know best.
not sure I want the hassle of that. It's a simple resume, 2 jobs in 17 years. And my friend runs the company, so it's really more for their parent company's sake.
Post by: pissclams on January 26, 2016, 09:27:20 AM
just pay someone to do it, there are a lot of formats you can use. a professional would know best.
not sure I want the hassle of that. It's a simple resume, 2 jobs in 17 years. And my friend runs the company, so it's really more for their parent company's sake.
sounds like it doesn't matter what the thing looks like then
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2016, 09:28:53 AM
Post by: meow meow on January 26, 2016, 09:37:59 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2016, 09:58:07 AM
yes, definitely let wackycat08 glance at itAll jokes aside, it's what I do!
Post by: _33 on January 26, 2016, 10:00:29 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 26, 2016, 10:07:05 AM
What I've seen recently are pop-up resumes. Basically resumes folded in such a way that when opened whimsical pictures of your achievements pop up off the page at your potential employer.
How the glitter is used is more important to me than the pop-up but I can only speak for myself on that
Post by: Tobias on January 26, 2016, 10:13:07 AM
Post by: 8manpick on January 26, 2016, 10:16:12 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2016, 10:16:47 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on January 26, 2016, 10:59:38 AM
What I've seen recently are pop-up resumes. Basically resumes folded in such a way that when opened whimsical pictures of your achievements pop up off the page at your potential employer.
damn, I thought the hot thing was cakes
Post by: AbeFroman on January 26, 2016, 11:19:03 AM
Post by: _33 on January 26, 2016, 11:37:52 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 26, 2016, 12:12:37 PM
Also handwritten resumes are making a comeback. It adds a personal touch that can get lost in our digital age.
Make sure to use a page torn out of a spiral notebook.
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2016, 12:59:06 PM
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on January 26, 2016, 02:01:13 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2016, 02:02:11 PM
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on January 26, 2016, 02:05:31 PM
Post by: CNS on January 26, 2016, 02:08:09 PM
video resume where the person doing the review gets to keep the device. Resume with a bribe. Ppl enjoy that.
I could send one of these to Wacks this afternoon and be a dentist tomorrow. Especially if I let him pick Ipad or Samsung.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2016, 02:13:48 PM
stop following me around you obsessive jerk:D
:thumbs:video resume where the person doing the review gets to keep the device. Resume with a bribe. Ppl enjoy that.
I could send one of these to Wacks this afternoon and be a dentist tomorrow. Especially if I let him pick Ipad or Samsung.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2016, 02:37:01 PM
What a waste. A lot of American Psycho persona in Tonya, folks!
Talk me through your thought process here
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2016, 02:37:52 PM
Do you remember the business card scene?What a waste. A lot of American Psycho persona in Tonya, folks!
Talk me through your thought process here
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2016, 02:40:49 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2016, 02:42:45 PM
Yes, absolutelyTonya does that with his resume. He's practically the same person.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2016, 02:46:50 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2016, 02:50:28 PM
If you want to call btk bozo the clown or something I would understand, but he's def not Patrick BatemanWell I wasn't talking about appearances. I was talking about his tendencies, but yeah, bozo the clown is probably more accurate.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on January 26, 2016, 03:06:53 PM
Post by: Gooch on January 26, 2016, 03:07:57 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2016, 03:10:28 PM
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on January 26, 2016, 03:16:41 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 26, 2016, 09:26:49 PM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37090.0
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on January 28, 2016, 09:44:56 AM
Post by: ben ji on January 28, 2016, 10:18:58 AM
In college I wrote a silly article in some magazine that gets dropped off at frat/sor houses then promptly thrown away. I have this on my resume as "Authored an article that was distributed to over 75 universities nationwide"
My friend is an Enginerd who used to do Walmart builds and retrofits, when he was looking for a new job he never mentioned "Walmart" but played up his experience in "retail/restaurant/automotive/warehouse/etc etc" design.
---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on January 28, 2016, 10:24:05 AM
I love the challenge of trying to make everything sound exciting on your resume.
In college I wrote a silly article in some magazine that gets dropped off at frat/sor houses then promptly thrown away. I have this on my resume as "Authored an article that was distributed to over 75 universities nationwide"
My friend is an Enginerd who used to do Walmart builds and retrofits, when he was looking for a new job he never mentioned "Walmart" but played up his experience in "retail/restaurant/automotive/warehouse/etc etc" design.
---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
That's my issue, I've been in one job 13 years, so it's kind of hard for me to show growth over that time. I'm almost 40, so I can't rely on my accomplishments much from my first job and college. I've taken it from essentially nothing when I was hired to over $10mil/yr largely on my back. I've been told many times I have been the majority of the company's success, especially in light of withering markets in our other divisions. But the market here limits much growth for us beyond that, and some other internal factors out of my control restrict it as well.
Post by: Emo EMAW on January 28, 2016, 10:24:52 AM
Post by: DQ12 on January 28, 2016, 10:32:05 AM
Post by: ben ji on January 28, 2016, 10:38:44 AM
I would probably drop the lawn mowing business from when you were a teenager.
:cry:
Post by: pissclams on January 28, 2016, 10:54:12 AM
I would probably drop the lawn mowing business from when you were a teenager.i mean, it shows he has a sense of humor, but that's about all that i would get out of it had i interviewed him
Post by: 8manpick on January 28, 2016, 11:07:48 AM
---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
Similarly, I had really good ACT/SAT scores that I kept on my resume up through getting the job I currently have. I begrudgingly took them off my resume when applying for the job I'm starting in a week, but I'm not sure if it was a good move or not.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on January 28, 2016, 11:48:00 AM
---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
Similarly, I had really good ACT/SAT scores that I kept on my resume up through getting the job I currently have. I begrudgingly took them off my resume when applying for the job I'm starting in a week, but I'm not sure if it was a good move or not.
thats a thing? I mean, maybe if it was a 36 but...
Post by: 8manpick on January 28, 2016, 11:49:34 AM
:dunno: it came across positively in interviews. Although maybe it prevented other interviews from happening... I'll never know---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
Similarly, I had really good ACT/SAT scores that I kept on my resume up through getting the job I currently have. I begrudgingly took them off my resume when applying for the job I'm starting in a week, but I'm not sure if it was a good move or not.
thats a thing? I mean, maybe if it was a 36 but...
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on January 28, 2016, 11:51:31 AM
:dunno: it came across positively in interviews. Although maybe it prevented other interviews from happening... I'll never know---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
Similarly, I had really good ACT/SAT scores that I kept on my resume up through getting the job I currently have. I begrudgingly took them off my resume when applying for the job I'm starting in a week, but I'm not sure if it was a good move or not.
thats a thing? I mean, maybe if it was a 36 but...
interesting. I had a GPA on my college graduate resume since it was high, but never thought entrance exams were relevant in a post-graduate resumer
Post by: slobber on January 28, 2016, 12:00:39 PM
Seems relevant?
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Post by: CNS on January 28, 2016, 12:03:19 PM
Then,
I. Failing
a. I am super good at it
i. 2008-2010: failed repeatedly at job A
ii. 2010-present: still failing a bunch
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 28, 2016, 12:53:44 PM
If you haven't had any job title change, then list all of those accomplishments in the paragraph section.
Also, ACT/SAT scores :confused: :confused: Did you also list your HS debate record?
Post by: 8manpick on January 28, 2016, 12:56:30 PM
If you have been at the same company but moved up in position, even if you are really doing the same job just a title promotion, then you can list those separately to show progression.I didn't debate, I ain't no nerd :dubious: Just thought 790 math would look good to people hiring engineers. It isn't on there anymore anyway
If you haven't had any job title change, then list all of those accomplishments in the paragraph section.
Also, ACT/SAT scores :confused: :confused: Did you also list your HS debate record?
Post by: The Big Train on January 28, 2016, 01:06:52 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 04, 2016, 03:03:35 PM
so what do you cats think a company car is worth in equivalent salary?
Depends on how much you'd be driving, what you're driving now, etc. Maybe $15k? I'd prefer salary because it's less likely to be taken away in the future.
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2016, 03:04:13 PM
Post by: slobber on March 04, 2016, 03:09:44 PM
At $0.50/ mile and 50,000 miles per year, yes, SD is correct again. (I wonder if being right ever gets old for him?)
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Post by: nicname on March 04, 2016, 03:18:59 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 04, 2016, 03:29:11 PM
When I took the office job, they made a one time payment of $8,000 before tax to allow for losing the car.
At $0.50/ mile and 50,000 miles per year, yes, SD is correct again. (I wonder if being right ever gets old for him?)
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I'd have to do the math. I'm expecting one major trip per month, to the western MO, Kansas area. So say that trip is 600 miles total. Say in the course of business I put on another 40 miles a week in local biz travel. So monthly I'd be at 800 miles x $.54 = $432. I mean, that wouldn't even cover the payment on a nice vehicle, let alone gas and maintenance.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 04, 2016, 03:30:57 PM
When I took the office job, they made a one time payment of $8,000 before tax to allow for losing the car.
At $0.50/ mile and 50,000 miles per year, yes, SD is correct again. (I wonder if being right ever gets old for him?)
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I'd have to do the math. I'm expecting one major trip per month, to the western MO, Kansas area. So say that trip is 600 miles total. Say in the course of business I put on another 40 miles a week in local biz travel. So monthly I'd be at 800 miles x $.54 = $432. I mean, that wouldn't even cover the payment on a nice vehicle, let alone gas and maintenance.
The difference is that you would actually own the nice vehicle. You can drive it for personal use, and then sell it.
Post by: The Big Train on March 04, 2016, 03:34:21 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 04, 2016, 03:36:06 PM
When I took the office job, they made a one time payment of $8,000 before tax to allow for losing the car.
At $0.50/ mile and 50,000 miles per year, yes, SD is correct again. (I wonder if being right ever gets old for him?)
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I'd have to do the math. I'm expecting one major trip per month, to the western MO, Kansas area. So say that trip is 600 miles total. Say in the course of business I put on another 40 miles a week in local biz travel. So monthly I'd be at 800 miles x $.54 = $432. I mean, that wouldn't even cover the payment on a nice vehicle, let alone gas and maintenance.
The difference is that you would actually own the nice vehicle. You can drive it for personal use, and then sell it.
Well, I have a nice vehicle now I can use for personal use, and pay no tags, taxes, insurance, maintenance, gas.
Post by: sys on March 04, 2016, 03:39:49 PM
Well, I have a nice vehicle now I can use for personal use, and pay no tags, taxes, maintenance, gas.
that's probably worth about 3-5k/year. it sounds like you wouldn't drive enough to make mileage on a personal car pay off for you. if you drove more you could make some real money on the mileage. but since you don't the company car might work out to your advantage.
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2016, 03:40:59 PM
Post by: Trim on March 04, 2016, 03:41:55 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 04, 2016, 03:50:01 PM
Well, I have a nice vehicle now I can use for personal use, and pay no tags, taxes, maintenance, gas.
that's probably worth about 3-5k/year. it sounds like you wouldn't drive enough to make mileage on a personal car pay off for you. if you drove more you could make some real money on the mileage. but since you don't the company car might work out to your advantage.
that's my fear. I figure that a decent late model vehicle cost is probably $1,500-2000/mo all-in for payment, gas, tags, insurance, and maintenance. I need something I can haul 2 kids in car seats in.
I'm a little surprised. They know I have a company car now that allows personal use, and we discussed at the interview that they have another PM who has a company leased vehicle (though he travels a lot) and others had an allowance arrangement. I wonder if this is something they left out for negotiation purposes.
That's about right if you are buying a $100,000 vehicle.
Post by: sys on March 04, 2016, 04:08:12 PM
I figure that a decent late model vehicle cost is probably $1,500-2000/mo all-in for payment, gas, tags, insurance, and maintenance.
if you want a car that expensive, and the car they give you would be that expensive, then definitely take the company car. to make mileage pay you need a cheap car.
Post by: CNS on March 04, 2016, 04:10:52 PM
Post by: TownieCat on March 04, 2016, 04:32:47 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 04, 2016, 04:36:20 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 04, 2016, 04:53:19 PM
Your est. gas cost per month seems ridiculously high. That's at least six full tanks of gas, or about 2,500 miles.
that's based on my current usage, so yes, that should go down. But for comparison sake I left it.
Post by: ------- on March 04, 2016, 05:08:06 PM
And we make fun of GPC for asking where to find a good mechanic, or which channel the game is on.
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2016, 05:38:10 PM
Post by: ------- on March 04, 2016, 07:03:10 PM
gE is an amazing resource for things eff head.Go back to pretending like you're important eff head. Your bbs is dying.
Post by: CNS on March 04, 2016, 07:10:37 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2016, 07:11:27 PM
_______ is mean
I don't like him/her. Not one bit.
Post by: Tobias on March 04, 2016, 07:16:30 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 04, 2016, 07:21:10 PM
Post by: 8manpick on March 04, 2016, 07:31:37 PM
Post by: SdK on March 04, 2016, 07:34:50 PM
i like the angerYes. A fine break from the monotany.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 04, 2016, 08:13:55 PM
Post by: CNS on March 04, 2016, 08:24:16 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 04, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 04, 2016, 08:29:19 PM
Mods, pls change _____ to better-than-dobber. TIA.
Post by: sys on March 04, 2016, 08:56:07 PM
Post by: slobber on March 04, 2016, 09:00:45 PM
That's cold.Mods, pls change _____ to better-than-dobber. TIA.
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Post by: CNS on March 04, 2016, 09:08:35 PM
Post by: slobber on March 05, 2016, 06:12:18 AM
Yeah, I think Anti-dobber is betterThat is because you don't hate me live 7 does.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 05, 2016, 09:24:38 AM
i like being able to opine on other peoples' decisions and problems.
It's dreamy
Post by: Asteriskhead on March 05, 2016, 09:38:38 AM
i like being able to opine on other peoples' decisions and problems.
It's dreamy
Like a great yard orgy on an early March Saturday morning.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 05, 2016, 11:49:01 AM
_______ is mean
I don't like him/her. Not one bit.
reminds me of kim
Post by: CNS on March 05, 2016, 11:50:15 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2016, 11:52:12 AM
Post by: The Big Train on March 05, 2016, 11:54:26 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2016, 11:56:18 AM
Post by: CNS on March 05, 2016, 12:21:15 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on March 05, 2016, 12:24:29 PM
Post by: CNS on March 05, 2016, 12:27:18 PM
______ is in my twitter feed. Can't decide who changed their name.Past tweets should help
Post by: Asteriskhead on March 06, 2016, 09:25:02 AM
I guess it's prison rules around here now?
prison rules is my forte.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 18, 2016, 02:16:58 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2016, 02:20:40 PM
Question for gE: first job in a professional setting, just there for the training and experience it will add to my resume, how long is considered appropriate to stay on before I parlay this into a better opportunity?
kinda depends on the current role (responsibility, relationship to coworkers, training or other investment in you, etc.), but really it's a free for all. Your company has no loyalty to you.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 18, 2016, 02:32:38 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 18, 2016, 02:38:22 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 18, 2016, 02:42:11 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2016, 02:43:14 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 18, 2016, 02:45:28 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 18, 2016, 04:39:13 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 18, 2016, 05:17:50 PM
8-12 months should be fine almost anywhere, especially for an entry level job.
I honestly think 6 months is fine and don't at at feel like you need to stay a full year. Just state in future interviews that you realized it wasn't the right position for you a few months after you took the job and now you know better and are looking for a better fit.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2016, 05:23:13 PM
Agreed, if you can get another job, that's really all that matters. A history of 6 month stints might be a problem, but one shouldn't.8-12 months should be fine almost anywhere, especially for an entry level job.
I honestly think 6 months is fine and don't at at feel like you need to stay a full year. Just state in future interviews that you realized it wasn't the right position for you a few months after you took the job and now you know better and are looking for a better fit.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2016, 05:48:04 PM
A history of 6 month stints might be a problem, but one shouldn't.
i agree with this. (even extending to 1-2 years). so if you do it now, it limits your ability to do the same in the future, but other than that, no worries.
Post by: cDubya on March 18, 2016, 10:34:56 PM
I'm pretty much grasping at straws right now. If anyone can SERIOUSLY help me with some resume' polishing and whatnot, I would be a very appreciative Coal Grabb'r.
If anyone has some time, and serious ability to help, please PM me. I can give more details that I don't want to go posting for anyone to see.
TIA.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 18, 2016, 10:38:47 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2016, 10:41:04 PM
So I have hesitated many times whether I should post in here or not. I don't know any of you fools, I'm probably older than half of you by about a decade, and there's no reason for anyone here to actually help me, BUT...I am not an expert but I like to help
I'm pretty much grasping at straws right now. If anyone can SERIOUSLY help me with some resume' polishing and whatnot, I would be a very appreciative Coal Grabb'r.
If anyone has some time, and serious ability to help, please PM me. I can give more details that I don't want to go posting for anyone to see.
TIA.
Post by: Canary on March 19, 2016, 02:00:27 PM
So I have hesitated many times whether I should post in here or not. I don't know any of you fools, I'm probably older than half of you by about a decade, and there's no reason for anyone here to actually help me, BUT...I would be glad to help. I am in management, so I see lots of resumes and letters of application. I am no expert at anything, but I would give you whatever assistance I can.
I'm pretty much grasping at straws right now. If anyone can SERIOUSLY help me with some resume' polishing and whatnot, I would be a very appreciative Coal Grabb'r.
If anyone has some time, and serious ability to help, please PM me. I can give more details that I don't want to go posting for anyone to see.
TIA.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 13, 2016, 03:06:49 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 13, 2016, 03:08:21 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 13, 2016, 03:16:15 PM
15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:
10% on the new salary or 25% on the old salary?
Post by: The Big Train on April 13, 2016, 03:16:49 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 13, 2016, 03:19:58 PM
15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:
10% on the new salary or 25% on the old salary?
I don't know!
Post by: Tobias on April 13, 2016, 03:31:46 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 13, 2016, 03:38:57 PM
Post by: slobber on April 13, 2016, 03:40:12 PM
GREAT JOB!!
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 13, 2016, 03:42:07 PM
Post by: pissclams on April 13, 2016, 03:43:40 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 13, 2016, 03:44:01 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 13, 2016, 03:46:31 PM
Where were you living that KC is +10%????
GREAT JOB!!
T-town is super super cheap (for a reason)
Post by: Winters on April 13, 2016, 03:47:37 PM
15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:congrats, goodbuddy!
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 13, 2016, 04:10:12 PM
do you not get vacation?Yeah.. but its a super small office and if I keep taking off a Thursday here and Tuesday there it gets odd.. Last week I took off after lunch on Thursday to "pick someone up from the KC airport."
Post by: pissclams on April 13, 2016, 04:28:59 PM
Post by: pissclams on April 13, 2016, 04:29:47 PM
15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:
fantastic
Post by: IPA4Me on April 13, 2016, 05:02:34 PM
15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:Very nice. I was all excited about my 3% bump. I wouldn't know what to do with 25%!
Post by: pissclams on April 13, 2016, 05:23:16 PM
15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:Very nice. I was all excited about my 3% bump. I wouldn't know what to do with 25%!
SPEND IT, DUH.
Post by: IPA4Me on April 13, 2016, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: sys on April 13, 2016, 06:10:58 PM
Post by: chum1 on April 13, 2016, 06:24:59 PM
Me: Uhhhhhhhhh........sure?
Post by: chum1 on April 13, 2016, 06:28:50 PM
Guy on phone just now: I've got your resume for this job you applied to. Would you be willing to train in India for 30 days?
Me: Uhhhhhhhhh........sure?
Should have said, "Where exactly in India?"
Post by: slobber on April 13, 2016, 07:10:45 PM
Should have said, "Sure! I love Indianapolis!"Guy on phone just now: I've got your resume for this job you applied to. Would you be willing to train in India for 30 days?
Me: Uhhhhhhhhh........sure?
Should have said, "Where exactly in India?"
Post by: The Big Train on April 13, 2016, 07:14:30 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 13, 2016, 07:29:28 PM
is there a bigger upgrade in living location than going from topeka to KC? i honestly dont think there isHow about Garden City to KC?
Post by: The Big Train on April 13, 2016, 07:30:44 PM
is there a bigger upgrade in living location than going from topeka to KC? i honestly dont think there isHow about Garden City to KC?
i mean its at least open for debate, maybe coffeyville to KC could be the only viable option here tho
Post by: pissclams on April 13, 2016, 08:24:42 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 14, 2016, 02:22:21 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 14, 2016, 02:23:46 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 14, 2016, 02:31:05 PM
How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
M.B.A
Post by: IPA4Me on April 14, 2016, 02:43:32 PM
Let me know if you guys hear of any senior marketing openings. I think Ms. Wacky is about to snap on her manager and has had enough. Sucks too, because what a cool product.Bummer. Maybe she should confront. I've done it. Worked wonderfully a couple of times. Managers have to learn to adapt styles. Sometimes they need prompting.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 14, 2016, 02:46:51 PM
Post by: pissclams on April 14, 2016, 03:08:38 PM
How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
be one, without the title
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 14, 2016, 04:38:36 PM
How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
M.B.A
Got one.
Post by: The Big Train on April 14, 2016, 04:39:26 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 14, 2016, 04:40:26 PM
How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
be one, without the title
Well, okay. As a PM there are a lot of similarities, and dissimilarities too. But these people don't know me, my work, etc. I figure it's probably pretty hard to get your first mgmt gig at a new firm in a new industry? Hope I'm wrong.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 14, 2016, 04:43:09 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 14, 2016, 04:47:52 PM
How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
be one, without the title
yeah
Post by: wetwillie on April 14, 2016, 04:48:00 PM
How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
M.B.A
Got one.
Then wtf are you worried bout? Unless it's one of wacky' old schools.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 14, 2016, 04:55:11 PM
Speaking of.... I got this today. Lol. Hell no!How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
M.B.A
Got one.
Then wtf are you worried bout? Unless it's one of wacky' old schools.
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Hi Wacky, I hope you are doing well. This is a bit of a shot in the dark but I am a Chicago-based recruiter specializing in the proprietary higher education space and am writing to see if you or someone you know might be interested in exploring a new opportunity. My client is a medium-sized, East Coast-based, growing proprietary school school group with a sterling reputation in the industry and is looking for a Master Admissions Representative. The position is based in Buffalo, NY and relocation expenses will be covered for the right candidate. Starting salary is $60-70k with a certain degree of flexibility based on experience and overall fit. Do you by chance have an interest in learning more? Feel free to let me know either way and thank you for your time and consideration. Thanks! Curtis
Post by: star seed 7 on April 14, 2016, 05:09:17 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 14, 2016, 05:52:09 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 15, 2016, 09:33:29 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 15, 2016, 09:35:31 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 15, 2016, 09:39:51 AM
phone interviews.. whats everyones thoughts on those?. I get for the company that weeds out some people but you would think that the resume alone would do thatI do them all day. What do you need to know? I can tell a lot from a phone interview. Cost efficient too. :thumbs:
Post by: star seed 7 on April 15, 2016, 09:41:56 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 15, 2016, 09:46:40 AM
my only problem with this is the phone interview followed by the face to face interview with a different person answering almost the same exact questionsphone interviews.. whats everyones thoughts on those?. I get for the company that weeds out some people but you would think that the resume alone would do thatI do them all day. What do you need to know? I can tell a lot from a phone interview. Cost efficient too. :thumbs:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 15, 2016, 09:53:17 AM
Post by: _33 on April 15, 2016, 10:03:14 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 15, 2016, 10:05:17 AM
I'm going to start my own company. If anyone wants a job just let me know.
What is your interview process?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 15, 2016, 10:07:24 AM
I'm going to start my own company. If anyone wants a job just let me know.what about a email interview followed by an instant messenger interview followed by a phone interview followed by a Skype interview followed by a face to face interview?
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 15, 2016, 10:12:43 AM
Every manager had to start out as not a manager to begin with, so there ya go. Unless it's like your dads company or something and he's just mushing your face.
I understand that. I would assume (correct me if I'm wrong) it's easier to be promoted within a company to a management position. Those promoting you know and trust you, you know and have the respect of your current peers and other colleagues, and you know the industry, business, and culture of the company in general. Conversely, I would assume getting your first management job at some other company, that doesn't know you from Adam, knows you don't know crap about their industry, and everything else, would be much more difficult. It actually makes me question the shittiness of the job if they would consider hiring someone like me in this circumstance.
Post by: _33 on April 15, 2016, 10:17:09 AM
Post by: pissclams on April 15, 2016, 10:32:54 AM
Nevermind guys, I decided not to start a company because it seems like a lot of work. I didn't realize I would have to come up with an interview process.it's a shitload of work
imagine starting an llc and working your tail to the bone and then one day getting a certified letter from a to be unnamed former Texas Tech football player's attorney. it's like, did Trump put up with this? did Steve Jobs?
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2016, 10:51:45 AM
Every manager had to start out as not a manager to begin with, so there ya go. Unless it's like your dads company or something and he's just mushing your face.
I understand that. I would assume (correct me if I'm wrong) it's easier to be promoted within a company to a management position. Those promoting you know and trust you, you know and have the respect of your current peers and other colleagues, and you know the industry, business, and culture of the company in general. Conversely, I would assume getting your first management job at some other company, that doesn't know you from Adam, knows you don't know crap about their industry, and everything else, would be much more difficult. It actually makes me question the shittiness of the job if they would consider hiring someone like me in this circumstance.
why is this particular management job so important? Maybe shoot for management in an industry you're qualified to work in.
Post by: Tobias on April 15, 2016, 10:52:56 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 15, 2016, 11:14:43 AM
Every manager had to start out as not a manager to begin with, so there ya go. Unless it's like your dads company or something and he's just mushing your face.
I understand that. I would assume (correct me if I'm wrong) it's easier to be promoted within a company to a management position. Those promoting you know and trust you, you know and have the respect of your current peers and other colleagues, and you know the industry, business, and culture of the company in general. Conversely, I would assume getting your first management job at some other company, that doesn't know you from Adam, knows you don't know crap about their industry, and everything else, would be much more difficult. It actually makes me question the shittiness of the job if they would consider hiring someone like me in this circumstance.
why is this particular management job so important? Maybe shoot for management in an industry you're qualified to work in.
What makes you think it's important? My questions are generally applicable, not just for this position. Frankly, I don't like the industry I'm in.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 15, 2016, 11:18:22 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 15, 2016, 11:26:06 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2016, 11:36:26 AM
Every manager had to start out as not a manager to begin with, so there ya go. Unless it's like your dads company or something and he's just mushing your face.
I understand that. I would assume (correct me if I'm wrong) it's easier to be promoted within a company to a management position. Those promoting you know and trust you, you know and have the respect of your current peers and other colleagues, and you know the industry, business, and culture of the company in general. Conversely, I would assume getting your first management job at some other company, that doesn't know you from Adam, knows you don't know crap about their industry, and everything else, would be much more difficult. It actually makes me question the shittiness of the job if they would consider hiring someone like me in this circumstance.
why is this particular management job so important? Maybe shoot for management in an industry you're qualified to work in.
What makes you think it's important? My questions are generally applicable, not just for this position. Frankly, I don't like the industry I'm in.
the fact that you're asking about it? :dunno:
My advice is applicable to general situations. But do what you want or whatever.
Post by: DQ12 on April 15, 2016, 11:45:37 AM
Post by: 8manpick on April 15, 2016, 11:45:46 AM
Post by: wetwillie on April 15, 2016, 11:49:05 AM
The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
Please elaborate
Post by: 8manpick on April 15, 2016, 11:52:14 AM
It likely shows that you are meeting with the wrong people, or they are very indecisive. 2, maybe 3, interviews is reasonable, but 5 wastes a lot of people's time.The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
Please elaborate
Post by: star seed 7 on April 15, 2016, 11:53:07 AM
The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
I agree. Just shows lots of layers of redundancy
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 15, 2016, 11:55:15 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2016, 11:57:22 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 15, 2016, 11:58:32 AM
Post by: wetwillie on April 15, 2016, 11:58:43 AM
It likely shows that you are meeting with the wrong people, or they are very indecisive. 2, maybe 3, interviews is reasonable, but 5 wastes a lot of people's time.The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
Please elaborate
ok I agree. I think 3 is the perfect number.
Post by: wetwillie on April 15, 2016, 12:00:54 PM
Redundancy can be essential though to very risk averse industries.
You can have multiple people interview back to back in one visit. Making someone come back multiple times is the problem IMO.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 15, 2016, 12:05:56 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 15, 2016, 12:10:27 PM
my colleague, HR director, boss, CEO, and COO. I travel with them all like Mich does.It likely shows that you are meeting with the wrong people, or they are very indecisive. 2, maybe 3, interviews is reasonable, but 5 wastes a lot of people's time.The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
Please elaborate
Post by: 8manpick on April 15, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 15, 2016, 12:13:24 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2016, 12:16:54 PM
Did they bring you in 5 separate times? Or did you talk to 3 one time and 2 the next? I would view the first option as extremely disrespectful.
I had a few phone and skype interviews but was only on site once (when I met all 5 people in person). They had to fly me in so it made a lot of sense.
Post by: chum1 on April 15, 2016, 12:17:32 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on April 15, 2016, 12:19:52 PM
i have never had multiple rounds of a job interview. in fact, the two jobs ive had have offered me the job on the spot. maybe i am a stud?
The last time my employment situation changed, the OPS director at the time sent me a text message and asked if I wanted to come work for him. I did. Is that an interview?
Post by: wetwillie on April 15, 2016, 12:25:50 PM
Nobody makes a candidate come in more than twice. That's not an issue.
Even twice doesn't make sense for on site. If you want to hit them with multiple phone rounds so be it.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 15, 2016, 12:27:31 PM
Did they bring you in 5 separate times? Or did you talk to 3 one time and 2 the next? I would view the first option as extremely disrespectful.2 phone interview and then I came in 3 separate times.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 15, 2016, 12:27:41 PM
i have never had multiple rounds of a job interview. in fact, the two jobs ive had have offered me the job on the spot. maybe i am a stud?
The last time my employment situation changed, the OPS director at the time sent me a text message and asked if I wanted to come work for him. I did. Is that an interview?
Phone interview
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 15, 2016, 12:28:55 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 15, 2016, 12:29:34 PM
Post by: Canary on April 15, 2016, 12:30:10 PM
When I interviewed fifteen years ago for the management position I am accepted and am still with, I had to go through two interviews. In the same time period I interviewed with another organization as well. With that group, and all in the same day, I interviewed with three different teams within the organization. On the way home I was called and offered an interview with the board of directors the following week. They were flying me out there, so I thought that might be a good opportunity. However, before that, I was offered my current position. So I declined the final interview.The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
I agree. Just shows lots of layers of redundancy
I don't mind interviewing, and while I considered myself ready for the position I had no previous management experience.
Post by: chum1 on April 15, 2016, 12:48:18 PM
Nobody makes a candidate come in more than twice. That's not an issue.
Even twice doesn't make sense for on site. If you want to hit them with multiple phone rounds so be it.
If you're in for a second time, you're their guy. They just want each side to get a final look before deciding. If I know they're that serious, I'd love the opportunity to be more careful about evaluating the workplace than I was when I was there for my interview.
There are also situations in which it makes more sense not to do things on site for every candidate that comes in for one interview. Like take a tour or speak with many potential coworkers face to face. If there are six interviewees, and one tour/meet and greet lasts 90 minutes, you save a lot of time by only doing that for the candidate you want to offer.
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 15, 2016, 02:33:01 PM
Nobody makes a candidate come in more than twice. That's not an issue.
At my last job I had to come in three times. The third was to meet one specific person that was unexpectedly absent from interview #2. Anyway, it was annoying as eff, but I would do it again in a heartbeat to go back to that company the way it was in 2006.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 15, 2016, 02:34:08 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 15, 2016, 02:35:19 PM
I hate interviewing. Any company that would try to make me do 5 interviews can go eff themselves.I hate it too, but it was totally worth it. I've been hired on the spot and I hated everyone of those jobs.
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 15, 2016, 02:36:00 PM
I hate interviewing. Any company that would try to make me do 5 interviews can go eff themselves.I hate it too, but it was totally worth it. I've been hired on the spot and I hated everyone of those jobs.
The knife selling thing, huh?
Post by: sys on April 15, 2016, 02:36:19 PM
I hate interviewing. Any company that would try to make me do 5 interviews can go eff themselves.
i agree.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 15, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
For profit education, so yeah.I hate interviewing. Any company that would try to make me do 5 interviews can go eff themselves.I hate it too, but it was totally worth it. I've been hired on the spot and I hated everyone of those jobs.
The knife selling thing, huh?
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2016, 02:42:58 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 15, 2016, 02:43:55 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2016, 02:47:18 PM
Is that an acquired skill?
Of course, you definitely get better the more you do.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 15, 2016, 02:57:54 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 19, 2016, 08:22:30 AM
Post by: Canary on April 19, 2016, 08:36:20 AM
I've received a few messages via LinkedIn from competitors wanting to "chat"/"connect" lately. I know it doesn't hurt to listen to what they have to say, but i'm in no position to want to jump ship. Pro tips on what to say to these ppl?Increasing your network and contacts within your field (and out, as well) can be a benefit. I have been asked situation advice, and that just increases my contribution among same-position peers. Just welcome the conversation, let them know where you stand with your current position satisfaction, and add some positive professional contacts to your base.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 19, 2016, 08:38:20 AM
Post by: Canary on April 19, 2016, 08:40:49 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 19, 2016, 08:42:48 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 19, 2016, 08:51:13 AM
I've received a few messages via LinkedIn from competitors wanting to "chat"/"connect" lately. I know it doesn't hurt to listen to what they have to say, but i'm in no position to want to jump ship. Pro tips on what to say to these ppl?
Are these people doing the same job as you or recruiters trying to recruit you? (You are a recruiter, but you don't recruit recruiters, right?)
Anyways, I always have a bunch of recruiters trying to connect with me on LinkedIn and I am not sure whether to accept them or not.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on April 19, 2016, 08:57:55 AM
I've received a few messages via LinkedIn from competitors wanting to "chat"/"connect" lately. I know it doesn't hurt to listen to what they have to say, but i'm in no position to want to jump ship. Pro tips on what to say to these ppl?
Are these people doing the same job as you or recruiters trying to recruit you? (You are a recruiter, but you don't recruit recruiters, right?)
Anyways, I always have a bunch of recruiters trying to connect with me on LinkedIn and I am not sure whether to accept them or not.
I typically don't, but most of them are people looking for IT project managers, and don't seem to be able to read my profile and discern I'm not an IT PM. It's laughable.
Post by: meow meow on April 19, 2016, 09:13:44 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 19, 2016, 09:15:25 AM
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Wacky, I am working on putting together a group of doctor recruiters where we can share ideas and help one another. Would you be interested? My number is .... and my email is n....
Post by: meow meow on April 19, 2016, 09:18:35 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 19, 2016, 09:21:11 AM
Post by: CNS on April 19, 2016, 09:36:49 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 19, 2016, 09:44:02 AM
Direct competition can get mumped. I mean, if you are setting records for docs recruited, you don't need his losery advice anyway.Also what I was thinking. But i'm also not naive enough to think I hit a hot streak and maybe I might need some good tips for down the road, but not from him.
Post by: meow meow on April 19, 2016, 10:22:07 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 19, 2016, 10:30:17 AM
Post by: slobber on April 19, 2016, 10:59:12 AM
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
Post by: kim carnes on April 19, 2016, 11:50:04 AM
Post by: Canary on April 19, 2016, 12:01:43 PM
Here are my thoughts. Head hunters are generally very trustworthy human beings so what do u have to lose? I say go for it.I agree. The livelihood of a head hunter depends on that.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 19, 2016, 12:13:29 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 19, 2016, 12:18:52 PM
1. Engineer
2. Banker
3. Accountant
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 19, 2016, 12:21:01 PM
I bet Kim Carnes does something really boring tho. MY top guesses and you guys can play too!
1. Engineer
2. Banker
3. Accountant
What is wrong with people who do those professions??? :don'tcare:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 19, 2016, 12:24:06 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 19, 2016, 12:26:40 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 19, 2016, 12:28:51 PM
What if he's a dentist :Wha:Probably not good enough. :D Only dental school around here anyways is UMKC, Creighton, and Oklahoma.
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 19, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
Post by: kim carnes on April 19, 2016, 02:14:54 PM
Post by: Tobias on April 19, 2016, 02:23:00 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 19, 2016, 02:23:39 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 19, 2016, 02:26:46 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on April 19, 2016, 02:34:34 PM
or shift manager at BK.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 19, 2016, 02:39:32 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 19, 2016, 07:29:59 PM
I bet Kim Carnes does something really boring tho. MY top guesses and you guys can play too!
1. Engineer
2. Banker
3. Accountant
I would call 2 of those boring as crap, the other very interesting and fun IMO
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 20, 2016, 08:08:41 AM
What's the biggest percentage swing you've managed to achieve with a counter offer?
Thanks for the help folks. Top notch.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 20, 2016, 08:21:14 AM
I bet Kim Carnes does something really boring tho. MY top guesses and you guys can play too!
1. Engineer
2. Banker
3. Accountant
I would call 2 of those boring as crap, the other very interesting and fun IMO
A banker and an engineer are in a room discussing spreadsheets......That's not the beginning of a joke, that's a story about me & my sister. :lol:
Post by: Canary on April 20, 2016, 08:23:31 AM
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A banker and an engineer are in a room discussing spreadsheets......That's not the beginning of a joke, that's a story about me & my sister. :lol:
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Now that made me laugh.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 20, 2016, 08:26:28 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 20, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
"banker" is a broad term, imo.
Anyone who works at a bank could be considered a banker, I guess.
Post by: Tobias on April 20, 2016, 08:28:35 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2016, 08:30:22 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 20, 2016, 08:35:14 AM
Chris in IT: banker
accurate.
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 20, 2016, 08:41:21 AM
Post by: puniraptor on April 20, 2016, 08:47:15 AM
Post by: The Big Train on April 20, 2016, 08:48:34 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2016, 08:51:38 AM
Post by: puniraptor on April 20, 2016, 08:54:36 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 20, 2016, 08:56:07 AM
The rest I have no idea what you're trying to say
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2016, 08:57:23 AM
Don't you ante or something similar in poker?You can tip the dealer, but that's it. The other things I was saying, yeah you can make "$", but just enough to keep the lights on and pay the bills.
The rest I have no idea what you're trying to say
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2016, 08:58:16 AM
Cupcake donut barbershops do not equal casino customer. I thought you were about to say something interesting but then you transitioned it to unintelligible.I'm talking about a specific game at a casino here.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 20, 2016, 08:59:43 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2016, 09:01:41 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2016, 09:03:39 AM
Ever heard of a rake wacky? I'd almost guarantee that your casino has oneI looked this up, 8 man. I'm sure they're doing it somehow, but it never shows in my winnings. I'm so confused.
Post by: DQ12 on April 20, 2016, 09:03:48 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2016, 09:04:58 AM
Post by: meow meow on April 20, 2016, 09:13:26 AM
Have you ever thought about jobs that don't make $? Like, I love playing poker, but what does the casino gain from it? I'm taking other losers $. Cupcake and donut shops in today's ago = Not making $. Barber shop. Are you rough ridin' kidding me??!!! I think about this stuff all the time. How do independent coffee shops make it? When i'm at a new bar/restaurant, I know within two seconds if they're going to make it. For instance, whatever goes into that space that was americas pub in westport = bankruptcy. #science
:rolleyes:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2016, 09:18:43 AM
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 20, 2016, 09:39:48 AM
What happens when you breed an engineer with an accountant?
I know a couple of these.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 20, 2016, 09:44:29 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 20, 2016, 10:07:29 AM
Poor kids :frown:
No he's actually quite well off thank you. #upperclassbaby #guccidiaperbag #picksnoseforrealgold #probablywillbeantisocialtho
Post by: IPA4Me on April 20, 2016, 01:57:23 PM
15%What's the biggest percentage swing you've managed to achieve with a counter offer?
Thanks for the help folks. Top notch.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on April 20, 2016, 02:00:42 PM
What's the biggest percentage swing you've managed to achieve with a counter offer?
not really what you're looking for, but I managed to swing 9% of the company.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2016, 02:01:42 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 20, 2016, 02:24:58 PM
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Post by: Emo EMAW on April 20, 2016, 02:28:44 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2016, 02:29:30 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 20, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
Wacky, what I'm asking is, when you're interviewing with another firm and they offer x, and you counter offer y, and you ultimately agree on z, what is the percentage represented by (z-x)/x. Got it?
It's got to be a function of y, although I would say z asymptotically approaches zero if y increases too much above x.
Post by: meow meow on April 20, 2016, 02:32:08 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2016, 02:32:57 PM
wacky is trying to break his single day brags record today.I think that was my first one of the day tho. It was just a major brag, but not really, because it shows you how poor I was working in radio.
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 20, 2016, 02:35:41 PM
Wacky, what I'm asking is, when you're interviewing with another firm and they offer x, and you counter offer y, and you ultimately agree on z, what is the percentage represented by (z-x)/x. Got it?
It's got to be a function of y, although I would say z asymptotically approaches zero if y increases too much above x.
How in the world would z approach zero? Who counter offers with 0? I think you mean z approaches x? That doesn't make any sense either. It's like you're suggesting some sort of laffer curve relationship.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 20, 2016, 02:36:40 PM
Wacky, what I'm asking is, when you're interviewing with another firm and they offer x, and you counter offer y, and you ultimately agree on z, what is the percentage represented by (z-x)/x. Got it?
It's got to be a function of y, although I would say z asymptotically approaches zero if y increases too much above x.
How in the world would z approach zero? Who counter offers with 0? I think you mean z approaches x? That doesn't make any sense either. It's like you're suggesting some sort of laffer curve relationship.
No, I'm saying if your counter is too high they are going pull the offer altogether.
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 20, 2016, 02:40:56 PM
Wacky, what I'm asking is, when you're interviewing with another firm and they offer x, and you counter offer y, and you ultimately agree on z, what is the percentage represented by (z-x)/x. Got it?
It's got to be a function of y, although I would say z asymptotically approaches zero if y increases too much above x.
How in the world would z approach zero? Who counter offers with 0? I think you mean z approaches x? That doesn't make any sense either. It's like you're suggesting some sort of laffer curve relationship.
No, I'm saying if your counter is too high they are going pull the offer altogether.
That would be a different function considering I stipulated that both parties ultimately agree on z.
Post by: IPA4Me on April 20, 2016, 02:57:38 PM
Several years ago, hiring manager offered $x. I told him I wasn't interested unless base was $Y. He agreed. 18% higher.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on April 20, 2016, 03:43:03 PM
Job to job.
that's not a counter offer as I thought you meant. A counter offer is when you get a raise offered with the current employer. To me responding to an offer with a higher number is just negotiation.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 20, 2016, 03:45:45 PM
Job to job.
that's not a counter offer. A counter offer is when you get a raise offered with the current employer
I'm pretty sure a counter offer is when a company offers you a job with a salary and then you counter with a higher salary that you would like to be paid for that job. Could be a new company or a different job at the company you currently work for.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 20, 2016, 03:46:15 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on April 20, 2016, 03:48:25 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 20, 2016, 04:14:40 PM
Wacky, what I'm asking is, when you're interviewing with another firm and they offer x, and you counter offer y, and you ultimately agree on z, what is the percentage represented by (z-x)/x. Got it?
It's got to be a function of y, although I would say z asymptotically approaches zero if y increases too much above x.
How in the world would z approach zero? Who counter offers with 0? I think you mean z approaches x? That doesn't make any sense either. It's like you're suggesting some sort of laffer curve relationship.
No, I'm saying if your counter is too high they are going pull the offer altogether.
That would be a different function considering I stipulated that both parties ultimately agree on z.
I think you are taking this hyperbola of Mrs. Gooch too hyperbole.
Post by: michigancat on April 24, 2016, 12:27:39 AM
Post by: The Big Train on April 24, 2016, 12:37:26 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on April 25, 2016, 09:11:06 AM
Who the eff thinks a counter offer is separate from a negotiation?
obviously the definition of a counteroffer includes that part of a negotiation, but in the context of a job offer, common parlance is that a counteroffer is something that comes from your current employer.
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Yeah, I got a great job offer, but I decided to accept a counteroffer instead.
Now, based on the above, if someone said that would you believe a) that they played hardball with a potential employer and got them to up their offer or b) they decided to stay with their current employer in exchange for a raise.
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2016, 09:30:58 AM
Who the eff thinks a counter offer is separate from a negotiation?
obviously the definition of a counteroffer includes that part of a negotiation, but in the context of a job offer, common parlance is that a counteroffer is something that comes from your current employer.QuoteYeah, I got a great job offer, but I decided to accept a counteroffer instead.
Now, based on the above, if someone said that would you believe a) that they played hardball with a potential employer and got them to up their offer or b) they decided to stay with their current employer in exchange for a raise.
That makes sense.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 25, 2016, 10:15:45 AM
had a phone interview today.. I think it went well.. I have no clue, I hate phone interviewsface to face on Thursday :drool:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2016, 10:17:34 AM
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Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on April 28, 2016, 01:41:09 PM
My manager asked me if I was searching for other jobs today. It was completely random. She said she heard a rumor and I lol'd really hard in the meeting. She said she was super relieved and that the execs told her to do whatever she had to, to make sure the rumor false. Who the eff comes up with this stuff? Anyways, can't wait for my yearly review, they just showed their hand. :cheers:
LOL, I had the same thing happen a couple of years ago. Turned it into a fat raise.
Post by: Brock Landers on April 28, 2016, 01:50:13 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 28, 2016, 01:56:53 PM
Post by: EMAWican on April 28, 2016, 01:57:58 PM
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Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on April 28, 2016, 02:27:02 PM
Admit it guys, you started the rumor. Total stud move.
I wish I was that smart. I think I know who did it, and it was probably an effort to get me in trouble over a disagreement we'd had, little did he know it got me a 10+% raise even after I told my boss it wasn't true and I had no intention of leaving. :cheers:
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 29, 2016, 10:01:09 AM
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Post by: Institutional Control on May 16, 2016, 01:43:00 PM
slinging software?Yep.
Post by: Tobias on May 16, 2016, 01:43:41 PM
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Post by: pissclams on May 17, 2016, 10:35:28 PM
First day on the new job was super great. Who knew that the further up the ladder you go the easier it is?
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it makes sense, doesn't it? i mean, i don't know what your first job was but mine was at Taco Via and it rough ridin' sucked. you think your boss is gonna send you home early so you can hit the golf course while he knocks out the "tough stuff" ?
come on, son. use your damn noodle.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 17, 2016, 10:41:05 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on May 18, 2016, 07:27:48 AM
First day on the new job was super great. Who knew that the further up the ladder you go the easier it is?
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it makes sense, doesn't it? i mean, i don't know what your first job was but mine was at Taco Via and it rough ridin' sucked. you think your boss is gonna send you home early so you can hit the golf course while he knocks out the "tough stuff" ?
come on, son. use your damn noodle.
This is almost always true.
Post by: Asteriskhead on May 18, 2016, 07:52:23 AM
my first job was at an arcade and it was pretty effin' sweet :dunno:
i was an "intern" at an IT company. i spent most of my time getting payed to bbs on sherdog.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 18, 2016, 09:02:22 AM
my first job was at an arcade and it was pretty effin' sweet :dunno:
i was an "intern" at an IT company. i spent most of my time getting payed to bbs on sherdog.
My first job was working for a pool company. I was 15 and made minimum wage. One day I had to fish a bunch of dead crap (possums, racoons, etc) out of a dilapidated and decrepit pool, cut up the liner and haul it out on my back with all the gross water running down my body. I didn't last much longer after that.
Post by: CNS on May 18, 2016, 09:22:13 AM
Post by: pissclams on May 18, 2016, 09:39:55 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on May 18, 2016, 09:40:26 AM
my first job was at an arcade and it was pretty effin' sweet :dunno:
i was an "intern" at an IT company. i spent most of my time getting payed to bbs on sherdog.
My first job was working for a pool company. I was 15 and made minimum wage. One day I had to fish a bunch of dead crap (possums, racoons, etc) out of a dilapidated and decrepit pool, cut up the liner and haul it out on my back with all the gross water running down my body. I didn't last much longer after that.
sounds like a typical saturday helping my dad with side jobs so that my mom could buy this season's eddie bauer lineup.
Post by: slobber on May 18, 2016, 09:46:35 AM
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Post by: Emo EMAW on May 18, 2016, 09:52:44 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 18, 2016, 09:53:53 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on May 18, 2016, 10:56:47 AM
What's it like growing up and having cow poop smell surround you at all times
you start saying really stupid things like, "that's the smell of money".
Post by: michigancat on May 18, 2016, 11:01:33 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on May 18, 2016, 11:04:40 AM
life on a dairy farm sounds awful and your parents were bad people for not paying you
fresh cream is delicious. also, rough ridin' lol at that the second part.
Post by: Tobias on May 18, 2016, 11:06:15 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 18, 2016, 11:09:18 AM
Concrete. It was brutal, but I made an absolute shitload of money compared to all the other kids I new, and all of the unskilled labor parents I knew too. In retrospect, I wish it wasn't something that influenced me so much.
Yes, before freshman year I was bringing home 275 a week @ 40 hours and I would put 200 in the bank and keep 75 for the week and it seemed like I had more money than I could even think of spending. What a great summer
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Post by: CNS on May 18, 2016, 11:45:03 AM
Concrete. It was brutal, but I made an absolute shitload of money compared to all the other kids I new, and all of the unskilled labor parents I knew too. In retrospect, I wish it wasn't something that influenced me so much.
Yes, before freshman year I was bringing home 275 a week @ 40 hours and I would put 200 in the bank and keep 75 for the week and it seemed like I had more money than I could even think of spending. What a great summer
I hope this was like 1972 or something. Woof.
Post by: Tobias on May 18, 2016, 11:46:12 AM
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Post by: CNS on May 18, 2016, 11:55:26 AM
:dunno:
That was one of the reasons I went home every summer in college. Wages in Manhattan were a joke comparatively. In 1997 I was making $12 cash in KC as second in charge of the crew. In Manhattan, I couldn't make that running a crew.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 18, 2016, 11:58:22 AM
What is all of your opinions on the best place or site to build and make a resume?I would go to a professional or a family member who you look up to and view there's. A lot of the stuff I had to send out was audio, so that's different, but if I was going straight out of business school or something else, I'd totally do this.
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Post by: That_Guy on May 18, 2016, 12:12:50 PM
What is all of your opinions on the best place or site to build and make a resume?I would go to a professional or a family member who you look up to and view there's. A lot of the stuff I had to send out was audio, so that's different, but if I was going straight out of business school or something else, I'd totally do this.
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I think I'll be okay making my own, but then I have a buddy who's dad is a lawyer and he said he could look over it for me and make it sound/look better I'm sure. Thanks!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 18, 2016, 12:14:33 PM
Post by: slobber on May 18, 2016, 12:43:11 PM
I was thinking that dairy farmers probably get an increased sense of good feelings or whatever from their jobs, more than row crop farmers or beef cattle folks. What say you dobbs?We had row crops and some beef cattle as well. Row crop was pretty great because you plant these little seeds and then, BOOM! you harvest them and somebody pays you for producing that! Plus, the thought of my family owning a bunch of ground was pretty great for some reason. We had some cows that were worth a bunch of money, but the value of my family owning the cows didn't equate to the value of owning the land.
Also....THE SMELL OF MONEY!!!!!! (cow poop and alfalfa were the best...not at the same time, but both are a great smell!)
Post by: michigancat on May 18, 2016, 01:33:54 PM
I got paid to work on the family farm starting at like age 8. (Praise be to Allah that it wasn't a dairy farm)life on a dairy farm sounds awful and your parents were bad people for not paying you
fresh cream is delicious. also, rough ridin' lol at that the second part.
Post by: pissclams on May 18, 2016, 02:19:33 PM
Post by: slobber on May 18, 2016, 02:23:58 PM
are there dairy ranches?Yes. Could have a dairy and a large ranch. I know somebody that had a dairy ranch.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 18, 2016, 02:25:02 PM
I got paid to work on the family farm starting at like age 8. (Praise be to Allah that it wasn't a dairy farm)life on a dairy farm sounds awful and your parents were bad people for not paying you
fresh cream is delicious. also, rough ridin' lol at that the second part.
You parents realized you controlled the means to production.
Post by: Institutional Control on May 18, 2016, 02:28:33 PM
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Post by: slobber on May 18, 2016, 02:29:50 PM
As a kid, when I was scraping pig crap out of a pen every morning, I would have killed to been living on a dairy farm.I had plenty of crap to shovel, but at least the crap I shoveled was that smelly ass hog crap. Good heavens hog crap is the absolute worst.
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Post by: CNS on May 18, 2016, 02:30:16 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 18, 2016, 02:31:17 PM
Post by: slobber on May 18, 2016, 02:33:02 PM
My parents made me mow the lawn all the time, guys. Ugh.We fought over who got to mow the lawn. It was like the most super pud job in the world. We even when to a push lawnmower without self propelled drive and it was still super pud to spend 4 hours mowing our big ass lawn.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 18, 2016, 02:34:52 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on May 18, 2016, 02:58:14 PM
My parents made me mow the lawn all the time, guys. Ugh.We fought over who got to mow the lawn. It was like the most super pud job in the world. We even when to a push lawnmower without self propelled drive and it was still super pud to spend 4 hours mowing our big ass lawn.
I had to mow the yard for a few months and then my dad said I "tore up the yard" and started doing it himself but then I had to do just the trimming
Post by: slobber on May 18, 2016, 03:01:45 PM
are there soybeans ranchers?Just ask yourself if it is possible. If it is possible, then there probably is.
I think in most parts of the midwest, that would just be a farmer.
In cattle country, they usually identify as ranchers and leave off the soybean or corn part. They probably have some of both.
Post by: Tobias on May 18, 2016, 03:02:16 PM
Post by: slobber on May 18, 2016, 03:02:40 PM
I had a brother who was "allergic to cows" so he didn't have to milk. What a joke. He is probably my smartest brother.My parents made me mow the lawn all the time, guys. Ugh.We fought over who got to mow the lawn. It was like the most super pud job in the world. We even when to a push lawnmower without self propelled drive and it was still super pud to spend 4 hours mowing our big ass lawn.
I had to mow the yard for a few months and then my dad said I "tore up the yard" and started doing it himself but then I had to do just the trimming
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 18, 2016, 03:04:30 PM
i got to be very good at flooding the mower
I flooded the weedeater once.
Post by: pissclams on May 18, 2016, 03:06:10 PM
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
Post by: slobber on May 18, 2016, 03:09:06 PM
well you can color this yankee confused then, how about you hayseeds get your terms figured out?Chicken Ranchers? Maybe!
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
Post by: _33 on May 18, 2016, 03:19:51 PM
well you can color this yankee confused then, how about you hayseeds get your terms figured out?
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
I have an interesting anecdote on this topic. Well I was talking to these 4H kids and they were trying to play a joke on me and they said say "silk" 5 times and then spell "silk". So I did, and then they said, "what do cows drink?" and I said "milk". So you understand the trick, right? And they were all like "no cows drink water LOL." And I said actually baby cows drink milk so I'm right. And they said those aren't cows they are calves. And I said well calves are just baby cows. And they said no they aren't. And I said yes they are like babies are baby humans but we don't call them humans we call them babies. I did not convince them.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 18, 2016, 03:24:10 PM
well you can color this yankee confused then, how about you hayseeds get your terms figured out?
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
I have an interesting anecdote on this topic. Well I was talking to these 4H kids and they were trying to play a joke on me and they said say "silk" 5 times and then spell "silk". So I did, and then they said, "what do cows drink?" and I said "milk". So you understand the trick, right? And they were all like "no cows drink water LOL." And I said actually baby cows drink milk so I'm right. And they said those aren't cows they are calves. And I said well calves are just baby cows. And they said no they aren't. And I said yes they are like babies are baby humans but we don't call them humans we call them babies. I did not convince them.
Calves are baby bovines.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 18, 2016, 03:25:56 PM
well you can color this yankee confused then, how about you hayseeds get your terms figured out?
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
I have an interesting anecdote on this topic. Well I was talking to these 4H kids and they were trying to play a joke on me and they said say "silk" 5 times and then spell "silk". So I did, and then they said, "what do cows drink?" and I said "milk". So you understand the trick, right? And they were all like "no cows drink water LOL." And I said actually baby cows drink milk so I'm right. And they said those aren't cows they are calves. And I said well calves are just baby cows. And they said no they aren't. And I said yes they are like babies are baby humans but we don't call them humans we call them babies. I did not convince them.
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Post by: Institutional Control on May 18, 2016, 08:00:46 PM
City folk just don't understand.well you can color this yankee confused then, how about you hayseeds get your terms figured out?
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
I have an interesting anecdote on this topic. Well I was talking to these 4H kids and they were trying to play a joke on me and they said say "silk" 5 times and then spell "silk". So I did, and then they said, "what do cows drink?" and I said "milk". So you understand the trick, right? And they were all like "no cows drink water LOL." And I said actually baby cows drink milk so I'm right. And they said those aren't cows they are calves. And I said well calves are just baby cows. And they said no they aren't. And I said yes they are like babies are baby humans but we don't call them humans we call them babies. I did not convince them.
Post by: catastrophe on May 18, 2016, 08:57:36 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2016, 10:48:28 AM
Let's say you hire someone. Your CEO was iffy on the hire at first (She has to confirm it, before it's allowed to go through), but she gives you the benefit of the doubt, because of short term success. This person moves from Texas to south indiana for the job. Wants to be closer to home. Also, needs a license, but for some reason, the license hasn't been cleared for 4-5 months and is still pending, our office has been closed until we can place this person, both of his/her phones are off 24/7 and they only respond to their email like once a week with a vague response. CEO is starting to become a bit concerned and reminds me how she wasn't a fan of this person to begin with, but gave me the benefit of the doubt.
So my question is. This ends well, right? :dunno:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2016, 10:49:16 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on June 02, 2016, 10:51:32 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on June 02, 2016, 10:54:40 AM
Everytime I've given an applicant the benefit of the doubt for their shitty communication, it has bit me in the ass. If they don't have the commitment to communicate well, they don't have the commitment to move/start a new job.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2016, 10:54:48 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2016, 10:55:21 AM
Tell your CEO that she was right and you appreciate learning from her experience. Turn it into less of you being wrong and more of her being right.This is really good advice. Thank you!
Everytime I've given an applicant the benefit of the doubt for their shitty communication, it has bit me in the ass. If they don't have the commitment to communicate well, they don't have the commitment to move/start a new job.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 02, 2016, 10:59:07 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2016, 11:00:14 AM
Sorry you messed up Wacky. Hopefully this quack won't kill anyone in the meantime.:thumbs:
Post by: wetwillie on June 02, 2016, 11:06:15 AM
I feel stressed when I know we're missing out on $100,000 of production per day, 3-4 days a week, because someone I hired hasn't came through yet. :frown:
1 Doc can bill 100,000 of services per day?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2016, 11:08:57 AM
In certain locations. I might be generous saying that, but yeah, I see it on my daily reports at times. Crazy, right?I feel stressed when I know we're missing out on $100,000 of production per day, 3-4 days a week, because someone I hired hasn't came through yet. :frown:
1 Doc can bill 100,000 of services per day?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2016, 11:09:54 AM
Post by: kim carnes on June 02, 2016, 11:09:59 AM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on June 02, 2016, 11:33:25 AM
Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2016, 11:40:51 AM
Post by: pissclams on June 02, 2016, 11:42:25 AM
Post by: kim carnes on June 02, 2016, 11:50:25 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2016, 12:45:35 PM
just take her out for drinks tonight and afterwards give her the best bone of her miserable life. welcome to the corporate world, wacky.She's out in the field right now, so i'll have to put that one in my back pocket. Great pro tip tho.
Also, thanks for all of the advice. Had a great convo with her before lunch. She sounded way less panicky than me about the situation. Reminded me that we've dug up several candidates to fill the void until we have a permanent solution. Said some nice stuff about some feedback she's heard and even took some accountability, since they've had me reporting to several other ppl on candidates. She understood how things could get lost in the shuffle. :thumbs: :cheers:
Post by: kim carnes on June 02, 2016, 01:57:02 PM
Post by: meow meow on June 02, 2016, 02:53:31 PM
Post by: DQ12 on June 18, 2016, 03:47:27 PM
:surprised::Chirp:
Post by: puniraptor on June 18, 2016, 07:21:59 PM
As long as nobody finds out you have a law degree, you should be fine:surprised::Chirp:
Post by: 8manpick on June 18, 2016, 11:17:44 PM
:runaway::surprised::Chirp:
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 29, 2016, 03:04:36 PM
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Sincerely
Joel Cohen
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 14, 2016, 03:35:59 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 14, 2016, 03:41:10 PM
Yearly review is in 30 minutes. Lots of :excited: and :ohno: at the same time.
Tell them you need a big raise or you're walking.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 14, 2016, 03:45:13 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 14, 2016, 03:49:38 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 14, 2016, 03:50:10 PM
Post by: catastrophe on September 14, 2016, 03:50:58 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 14, 2016, 03:55:03 PM
Well that's not a good sign if you ask me.I was supposed to have my review last week, but we've had PC owners in town and everyone has been in complete meltdown mode getting their presentations together. They just left this afternoon. So everyone is "backed up". My coworker and I set a record for doctors hired in a year here. So i'm not worried, but their only complaint this year, has been small admin stuff. That's mainly because it took them 6 months to finally hire us an assistant (our last one quit). I'll own it tho. I hate spreadsheets.
Post by: meow meow on September 14, 2016, 04:15:06 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 14, 2016, 04:21:06 PM
Well that's not a good sign if you ask me.I was supposed to have my review last week, but we've had PC owners in town and everyone has been in complete meltdown mode getting their presentations together. They just left this afternoon. So everyone is "backed up". My coworker and I set a record for doctors hired in a year here. So i'm not worried, but their only complaint this year, has been small admin stuff. That's mainly because it took them 6 months to finally hire us an assistant (our last one quit). I'll own it tho. I hate spreadsheets.
You expect the firm that can't hire their two best employees an admin to act logically? I'd be worried wacky, very worried. :runaway:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 14, 2016, 04:25:40 PM
Post by: meow meow on September 14, 2016, 04:28:56 PM
Post by: kim carnes on September 14, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on September 15, 2016, 07:33:53 AM
I want this job.
Good. Your replacement starts next week. Here's your pay raise.
Post by: steve dave on September 15, 2016, 07:48:21 AM
Interview this morning for different role in same company with same boss. Hoping it's like this...
I want this job.
Good. Your replacement starts next week. Here's your pay raise.
good luck ipa
Post by: star seed 7 on September 15, 2016, 08:03:53 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on September 15, 2016, 10:46:45 AM
Post by: Tobias on September 15, 2016, 10:47:29 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 15, 2016, 11:16:24 AM
Post by: meow meow on September 15, 2016, 11:21:39 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on September 15, 2016, 11:26:16 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 15, 2016, 11:28:28 AM
rub that crap in mom and dad's faces asap wackNot the point. Lived in a trailer until I was 10. Life goals, dude.
Buy them something niceWill do. I want to send them to Marco Island. Mrs Wacky's grandparents said they could stay at their winter condo. :thumbs:
Post by: pissclams on September 15, 2016, 01:39:20 PM
Things are good guys. I'll be making more $ than my parents ever did.
i'm guessing you've already done the time value of money analysis to confirm this statement? gotta account for inflation, wacks.
Post by: meow meow on September 15, 2016, 01:54:04 PM
Things are good guys. I'll be making more $ than my parents ever did.
i'm guessing you've already done the time value of money analysis to confirm this statement? gotta account for inflation, wacks.
I think we both know that's the first thing he did.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 15, 2016, 02:42:26 PM
Oh man, never thought about that.Things are good guys. I'll be making more $ than my parents ever did.
i'm guessing you've already done the time value of money analysis to confirm this statement? gotta account for inflation, wacks.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 15, 2016, 03:01:01 PM
Pending division VP approval. VP is a friend. Should be good to go. Woohoo.
Fantastic, it's great to be a cat
Post by: pissclams on September 15, 2016, 03:52:57 PM
Oh man, never thought about that.Things are good guys. I'll be making more $ than my parents ever did.
i'm guessing you've already done the time value of money analysis to confirm this statement? gotta account for inflation, wacks.
it doesn't matter anyway. more money = good
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 15, 2016, 04:14:53 PM
Post by: kim carnes on September 15, 2016, 04:26:29 PM
Post by: meow meow on September 15, 2016, 04:38:53 PM
Wow some of us are just trying to make ends meet and wacky is throwing his money in our face. Real nice man.
pretty mumped up, keep grinding bud
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 15, 2016, 05:44:55 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 15, 2016, 05:49:45 PM
Post by: pissclams on September 15, 2016, 06:40:08 PM
Post by: kim carnes on September 15, 2016, 06:53:12 PM
Post by: puniraptor on September 15, 2016, 07:01:25 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 15, 2016, 07:04:08 PM
Post by: hatingfrancisco on September 15, 2016, 07:36:57 PM
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Post by: Tobias on September 15, 2016, 07:40:39 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 15, 2016, 07:50:03 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 15, 2016, 08:00:11 PM
Post by: Tobias on September 15, 2016, 08:01:29 PM
Post by: The Big Train on September 15, 2016, 08:16:58 PM
Guys. I'm out. DFW Bound.
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So that's what that :peek: was about! Losing a couple people all at once I see
Post by: hatingfrancisco on September 15, 2016, 08:18:25 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 15, 2016, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: The Big Train on September 15, 2016, 08:31:44 PM
I assume there will be others. :)
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Hmmmmm interesting
Post by: meow meow on September 15, 2016, 10:01:37 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 15, 2016, 10:08:14 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2016, 01:49:39 PM
:sdeek:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 29, 2016, 01:50:31 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 29, 2016, 01:53:20 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on September 29, 2016, 01:56:58 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2016, 02:11:28 PM
2 weekly one-on-one meeting with my manager
3 Regional Director meeting for region 3
4 Meeting with my COO
5 Exec meeting to discuss new associate position for our doctors
6. HR quarterly meeting
7. Regional team meeting to discuss what's going on in each department
8. Expansion meeting
:runaway:
Post by: CNS on September 29, 2016, 02:17:52 PM
Post by: _33 on September 29, 2016, 02:28:47 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 29, 2016, 02:29:25 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2016, 02:31:21 PM
Several of those meetings shouldn't involve you, if I have a good handle on your job function that is.Actually, they all do. I have two territories, so I report to both regional directors, my weekly manager meeting, my COO wants my thoughts on how the new regional directors are doing (Are they interviewing my candidates in a timely manner), expansion involves me, because we're opening practices in chicago now and I need the timeline on when I need to have 4 doctors in these practices. The associate program is knew and my colleague and I need to know the logistics of it to recruit for it. HR quartly meeting is what it is. They lump recruiting in with the HR teams. Regional team meeting is so all of the hr people have the doctors hr ready, so they need updates on start dates, credentialing, etc.
^^^ A lot of borrowing stuff, but ya.
Post by: CNS on September 29, 2016, 02:36:19 PM
Post by: _33 on September 29, 2016, 02:37:38 PM
Several of those meetings shouldn't involve you, if I have a good handle on your job function that is.Actually, they all do. I have two territories, so I report to both regional directors, my weekly manager meeting, my COO wants my thoughts on how the new regional directors are doing (Are they interviewing my candidates in a timely manner), expansion involves me, because we're opening practices in chicago now and I need the timeline on when I need to have 4 doctors in these practices. The associate program is knew and my colleague and I need to know the logistics of it to recruit for it. HR quartly meeting is what it is. They lump recruiting in with the HR teams. Regional team meeting is so all of the hr people have the doctors hr ready, so they need updates on start dates, credentialing, etc.
^^^ A lot of borrowing stuff, but ya.
All those meetings could be handled over email in a matter of minutes.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2016, 02:39:00 PM
If you are really integral enough to be needed in all those meetings, you should go demand a raise right now.I just got one. :thumbs:
Post by: meow meow on September 29, 2016, 02:44:39 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 29, 2016, 02:48:22 PM
Morning overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Update from ops on where are with crap.
More detailed review/escalation meeting on a project by project basis.
Mid-day overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Meeting on product development projects.
Kick-off meeting on new project.
Meeting for update specific to one large project.
Meeting with ops to go over large projects.
End of day overview of crap that got done today.
Post by: _33 on September 29, 2016, 02:51:24 PM
Good morning, nothing will be getting done today because we have 9 meetings.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 29, 2016, 02:52:56 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2016, 02:54:57 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2016, 02:57:34 PM
1 Regional Director meeting for region 1--------15 minutesOf course to the bathroom break question
2 weekly one-on-one meeting with my manager---------45 minutes
3 Regional Director meeting for region 3-------30 minutes
4 Meeting with my COO------20 minutes
5 Exec meeting to discuss new associate position for our doctors------ 25 minutes
6. HR quarterly meeting-------30 minutes
7. Regional team meeting to discuss what's going on in each department----5 minutes
8. Expansion meeting---------TBD
:runaway:
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 29, 2016, 03:14:35 PM
Seems like the morning meeting of crap getting done that day could have just been an email that read-
Good morning, nothing will be getting done today because we have 9 meetings.
It's really a matter of the whole people in the canoe without paddles thing.
Post by: The Big Train on September 29, 2016, 03:22:13 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 29, 2016, 03:23:13 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on September 29, 2016, 03:27:14 PM
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2016, 04:01:51 PM
Post by: Gooch on September 29, 2016, 04:03:05 PM
Is a 1 on 1 a meeting?Did you leave your desk/office? Was this also pre-planned or more impromptu?
Post by: The Big Train on September 29, 2016, 04:04:47 PM
The problem at my work is not so many meetings, but long meetings. Like they are scheduled to be an hour but end up lasting 2-3 hours sometimes.
I sometimes have 2 hour long meetings but they are usually scheduled for 2 hours. Most of them need 2 hours also.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2016, 04:11:35 PM
Yup. Confirmed. It's a meeting.Is a 1 on 1 a meeting?Did you leave your desk/office? Was this also pre-planned or more impromptu?
Post by: kim carnes on September 29, 2016, 04:12:06 PM
Post by: puniraptor on September 29, 2016, 04:18:16 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on September 29, 2016, 04:23:01 PM
I had 9 in one day a few weeks ago. rough ridin' 9.
Morning overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Update from ops on where are with crap.
More detailed review/escalation meeting on a project by project basis.
Mid-day overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Meeting on product development projects.
Kick-off meeting on new project.
Meeting for update specific to one large project.
Meeting with ops to go over large projects.
End of day overview of crap that got done today.
These are simply ridiculous. Here's a novel concept: Doing crap instead of talking about doing crap.
Post by: The Big Train on September 29, 2016, 04:34:06 PM
Post by: chum1 on September 29, 2016, 04:37:00 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 29, 2016, 04:52:49 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 29, 2016, 04:59:23 PM
I had 9 in one day a few weeks ago. rough ridin' 9.
Morning overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Update from ops on where are with crap.
More detailed review/escalation meeting on a project by project basis.
Mid-day overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Meeting on product development projects.
Kick-off meeting on new project.
Meeting for update specific to one large project.
Meeting with ops to go over large projects.
End of day overview of crap that got done today.
These are simply ridiculous. Here's a novel concept: Doing crap instead of talking about doing crap.
These are attended by project and functional managers, not the people doing the work. Some communicate the status/roadblocks, the others mitigate and prioritize their resources.
There is absolutely a better way but the senior management can't secure funds for investment to create a better way. It's incredibly stupid.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 29, 2016, 05:21:36 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 29, 2016, 06:34:26 PM
I am in a shitload of meetings, the biggest problem is when they are redundant. Like, have a weekly meeting with a vendor, then a meeting to update what happened with the vendor with a slightly larger team, and then a meeting with an even larger team where every updates what happened in their meetings about the meetings.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2016, 06:35:12 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 29, 2016, 06:40:24 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2016, 06:42:57 PM
Post by: bucket on September 29, 2016, 06:44:41 PM
Post by: The Big Train on September 29, 2016, 06:48:36 PM
I've never considered dentists to be doctors. I think I view them as inferior.
I have since The Hangover
Post by: wetwillie on September 29, 2016, 06:51:08 PM
Post by: CNS on September 29, 2016, 06:52:32 PM
Might resign tomorrowDeets
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2016, 07:03:21 PM
Do you guys have contigency plans in place for when a handful of your dentists inevitably commit suicide?Yeah, I've got a great pipeline. :D I don't know how dentists are the biggest alcoholic profession when they work with their hands all day. So bizarre.
Post by: bucket on September 29, 2016, 07:12:40 PM
Might resign tomorrowDeets
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I have two people over me. Lower boss is new. They hate each other and request meetings with me all the time trying to get dirt on each other. I take the high road and compliment each despite having deep reservations about both. Work environment is very tense, but I manage. The past two days lower new boss has called me and questioned my production despite not having a clue what goes on in the office. Lower new boss also hasn't been in the office the past couple days due to a conference. Since new boss came on I have done their job since they don't know what to do and haven't bothered to learn it.
Lower new boss requested we have a meeting tomorrow. If they try to burn me I might just tell them best wishes. I had job offers from other companies over the summer. Not sure if they are still there, but I can manage to get by a few months if they're not. I planned on leaving next year but might leave a bit more abruptly.
I've had problems with lower new boss for a while but we work through it. They never called me on my production before, and I take that personally since I am doing their job for the most part and carrying them.
Post by: The Big Train on September 29, 2016, 07:15:19 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 29, 2016, 08:50:48 PM
Post by: bucket on September 29, 2016, 09:04:12 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 29, 2016, 09:06:37 PM
Might resign tomorrowDeets
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I have two people over me. Lower boss is new. They hate each other and request meetings with me all the time trying to get dirt on each other. I take the high road and compliment each despite having deep reservations about both. Work environment is very tense, but I manage. The past two days lower new boss has called me and questioned my production despite not having a clue what goes on in the office. Lower new boss also hasn't been in the office the past couple days due to a conference. Since new boss came on I have done their job since they don't know what to do and haven't bothered to learn it.
Lower new boss requested we have a meeting tomorrow. If they try to burn me I might just tell them best wishes. I had job offers from other companies over the summer. Not sure if they are still there, but I can manage to get by a few months if they're not. I planned on leaving next year but might leave a bit more abruptly.
I've had problems with lower new boss for a while but we work through it. They never called me on my production before, and I take that personally since I am doing their job for the most part and carrying them.
no reason to resign before you have a job lined up. have a little composure and deal with it for a month or two.
Also sounds like you have a better relationship with the older higher boss, maybe stop taking the high road or at least let the upper boss know you're frustrated with lower new boss.
Post by: meow meow on September 29, 2016, 09:07:02 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 29, 2016, 09:11:03 PM
Post by: bucket on September 29, 2016, 09:20:45 PM
Post by: sys on September 29, 2016, 09:25:32 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 30, 2016, 08:28:24 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 30, 2016, 08:57:27 AM
If it is not the people actually doing the work but they are having 3 meetings per day on status then that means the managers are bugging the workers several times a day to get status to report at the meeting.
Well that's not true. Status of simpler tasks can be monitored with a tool. When a task is completed a function is closed and every one can see it. What one cannot see is the greater health of projects, because the tool is incapable of reporting on status of multiple projects at a time. It also can't tell you what someone is currently working on (it can tell you everything they could be working on, but you never know what's #1), and how long it's expected to take them to complete what they are working on. Also does not indicate priority of tasks or projects for shared resources. It's a real rough ridin' mess. I only go to those things when 1) I need to escalate things to functional managers, or 2) I find out my resources have been plundered without prior communication to me.
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 30, 2016, 09:03:51 AM
My department lead is a quiet introvert like me and does 99% of anything over email, it's very ideal
email is always ideal. paper trails and such.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on September 30, 2016, 09:39:15 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/589603179458756609/jLgLb_M6.png)
Watch your asses if The Bobs show up.
Post by: _33 on September 30, 2016, 10:33:39 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on September 30, 2016, 10:44:17 AM
sounds like an opportunity for you to move up at the expense of lower bossMight resign tomorrowDeets
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I have two people over me. Lower boss is new. They hate each other and request meetings with me all the time trying to get dirt on each other. I take the high road and compliment each despite having deep reservations about both. Work environment is very tense, but I manage. The past two days lower new boss has called me and questioned my production despite not having a clue what goes on in the office. Lower new boss also hasn't been in the office the past couple days due to a conference. Since new boss came on I have done their job since they don't know what to do and haven't bothered to learn it.
Lower new boss requested we have a meeting tomorrow. If they try to burn me I might just tell them best wishes. I had job offers from other companies over the summer. Not sure if they are still there, but I can manage to get by a few months if they're not. I planned on leaving next year but might leave a bit more abruptly.
I've had problems with lower new boss for a while but we work through it. They never called me on my production before, and I take that personally since I am doing their job for the most part and carrying them.
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 30, 2016, 11:10:29 AM
Most of you people sound like you work for this guy....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/589603179458756609/jLgLb_M6.png)
Watch your asses if The Bobs show up.
there are a great deal of people in this world exactly like that rough ridin' guy.
Post by: chum1 on September 30, 2016, 11:17:33 AM
Post by: CNS on September 30, 2016, 11:38:14 AM
Most of you people sound like you work for this guy....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/589603179458756609/jLgLb_M6.png)
Watch your asses if The Bobs show up.
there are a great deal of people in this world exactly like that rough ridin' guy.
There are a good portion of the pop that are idiots and a good portion of the pop that only do what they have to. Just because someone is higher in the hierarchy, doesn't mean they don't belong in one or both of those portions of the pop.
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 30, 2016, 12:18:03 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on September 30, 2016, 02:02:44 PM
I've never worked for a large company that requires working with tons of different people on a daily basis, but meetings seem super counter-productive. When Mrs. KCFD started working at her current job she took over a team of about 45 people that were terribly mismanaged, mostly spend all their days in meetings and got nothing done. She now meets with her managers on Monday to talk about the week, then usually takes them out for a drink on Friday. If an emergency pops up she sits down with the team involved and figures it out.
This is not rocket science.
TLDR: meetings are pointless, avoid them at all costs.
Post by: The Big Train on September 30, 2016, 02:05:22 PM
Hey what beer do you wanna make this week?
Idk how about the same one we did last time?
Ok sounds good.
Post by: KCFDcat on September 30, 2016, 02:10:13 PM
Not to be a dick but what else is there to talk about?
Hey what beer do you wanna make this week?
Idk how about the same one we did last time?
Ok sounds good.
yes. that is all that goes into running a brewery. or any company really.
Post by: IPA4Me on September 30, 2016, 02:13:33 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 30, 2016, 02:17:30 PM
Post by: The Big Train on September 30, 2016, 02:20:04 PM
Post by: catastrophe on September 30, 2016, 02:21:06 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on September 30, 2016, 02:22:23 PM
Meetings are absolutely essential in matrix organizations and especially projects with cross-functional resources. It's important to meet when communication goes across functions, for the sake of creating clarity, and (counter-intuitive for some of you) time efficiency. And time efficiency doesn't mean that someone with 8 hours of available work time completes 8 hours of work. It means that it doesn't take you two years to develop and release a product that your competitor can do in 18 months. Going fast means you have to quickly generate consensus from functional experts/leaders. And you can do that with meetings. It's not foreign to me that worker-bee types have a stimulus/anti-body response to meetings, especially engineers, they don't like begin put on the spot. They like to receive data, interpret, mull it over, and then offer the most complete response with a million asterisks so that their ass isn't on the line if it doesn't work. Anyway, fully agree that meetings can be time wasters. But some meetings are perceived to be time wasters by people who aren't high enough to have the whole picture.
IMO most meetings could just involve directors/managers and they go relay that information to the so-called "worker bee" employees. I'm not saying meeting with a whole team to achieve project consensus/speed is not important. But most every day mundane meetings can be eliminated.
Post by: Tobias on September 30, 2016, 02:25:20 PM
Post by: _33 on September 30, 2016, 02:35:48 PM
Meetings are absolutely essential in matrix organizations and especially projects with cross-functional resources. It's important to meet when communication goes across functions, for the sake of creating clarity, and (counter-intuitive for some of you) time efficiency. And time efficiency doesn't mean that someone with 8 hours of available work time completes 8 hours of work. It means that it doesn't take you two years to develop and release a product that your competitor can do in 18 months. Going fast means you have to quickly generate consensus from functional experts/leaders. And you can do that with meetings. It's not foreign to me that worker-bee types have a stimulus/anti-body response to meetings, especially engineers, they don't like begin put on the spot. They like to receive data, interpret, mull it over, and then offer the most complete response with a million asterisks so that their ass isn't on the line if it doesn't work. Anyway, fully agree that meetings can be time wasters. But some meetings are perceived to be time wasters by people who aren't high enough to have the whole picture.
This post is very meeting-esque. Long, boring, self important, pointless.
Post by: _33 on September 30, 2016, 02:37:01 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 30, 2016, 02:40:15 PM
Post by: XocolateThundarr on September 30, 2016, 02:42:17 PM
Post by: _33 on September 30, 2016, 02:44:46 PM
The problem is when all the worker-bee types are really rough ridin' smart but poor communicators and you know what I don't know how the eff this doo-hickey works here let's get you in a room with you and you and then you tell them and then I can't eff up the translation which would invariably happen if you told me and then I told you.
Obviously. If someone doesn't understand this well I feel sorry for them because they're clearly stupid which is the opposite of a smart person like me.
Post by: Trim on September 30, 2016, 02:52:53 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 30, 2016, 03:09:30 PM
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Post by: Emo EMAW on October 01, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 01, 2016, 12:28:23 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2016, 01:08:10 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 01, 2016, 01:12:37 PM
Post by: sys on October 01, 2016, 10:29:44 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 02, 2016, 01:27:36 AM
what kind of cateringIt's usually from a random ethnic restaurant. And usually pretty good.
Post by: pissclams on October 02, 2016, 08:33:21 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 02, 2016, 08:36:14 PM
i love catered lunches. the mystery, the suspense, i wonder what they're going to get for us? so much fun.I get the menu for the week every Monday morning. :-
Post by: The Big Train on October 02, 2016, 08:37:28 PM
Post by: 8manpick on October 02, 2016, 08:47:16 PM
I've looked at some jobs in San Fran and NY and they cater lunch every single dayA friend in Chicago has the same thing
Post by: The Big Train on October 02, 2016, 08:48:55 PM
I've looked at some jobs in San Fran and NY and they cater lunch every single dayA friend in Chicago has the same thing
What kind of industry, IT or engineering?
Post by: 8manpick on October 02, 2016, 09:10:01 PM
Network engineer at a trading firmI've looked at some jobs in San Fran and NY and they cater lunch every single dayA friend in Chicago has the same thing
What kind of industry, IT or engineering?
Post by: puniraptor on October 02, 2016, 09:19:06 PM
Network engineer at a trading firmI've looked at some jobs in San Fran and NY and they cater lunch every single dayA friend in Chicago has the same thing
What kind of industry, IT or engineering?
EVILCORP
Post by: The Big Train on October 02, 2016, 09:21:07 PM
Network engineer at a trading firmI've looked at some jobs in San Fran and NY and they cater lunch every single dayA friend in Chicago has the same thing
What kind of industry, IT or engineering?
EVILCORP
That would be the perfect spot for a Elliot
Post by: Brock Landers on October 06, 2016, 02:39:18 PM
Ironically enough this tidbit was passed on during a meeting that I attended today.
Post by: slackcat on October 06, 2016, 02:45:32 PM
Post by: Trim on October 10, 2016, 11:24:21 AM
Post by: meow meow on October 10, 2016, 11:38:38 AM
Do I still need to be rejecting the ios 10 update for my ipad or did all that stuff I heard people freaking out about get fixed?
wrong thread bruh
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
Post by: Trim on October 10, 2016, 11:48:10 AM
Do I still need to be rejecting the ios 10 update for my ipad or did all that stuff I heard people freaking out about get fixed?
wrong thread bruh
Looks on point to me.
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/211970/ronpforapple.jpg)
:lol:
Post by: meow meow on October 10, 2016, 11:58:06 AM
Post by: The Big Train on October 10, 2016, 12:45:53 PM
Post by: The Big Train on October 10, 2016, 12:49:08 PM
Do I still need to be rejecting the ios 10 update for my ipad or did all that stuff I heard people freaking out about get fixed?
I think you're good
https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/10/ios-10-hits-two-thirds-of-devices/
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 10, 2016, 03:40:04 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 10, 2016, 06:11:40 PM
also i hate the guy who always shows up late and then asks to rehash crap that's already been covered. nope, sorry sonny.
also hate the girl who sits on her laptop while in my meeting, that crap doesn't fly. pay attention, i wouldn't invite you to attend if i didn't want you to be there.
then there's the guy who schedules an hour long meeting and immediately starts the meeting with a "this shouldn't take long/the whole time" and then the meeting goes the whole time. why get my hopes up?
also, no meetings during my lunch time or on monday mornings or friday afternoons
these rules are all pretty simple
Post by: star seed 7 on October 10, 2016, 06:13:38 PM
Post by: pissclams on October 10, 2016, 06:17:04 PM
Post by: _33 on October 10, 2016, 09:08:42 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 11, 2016, 08:20:43 AM
Post by: Tobias on October 11, 2016, 08:27:41 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 11, 2016, 09:01:31 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 11, 2016, 09:13:01 AM
Got a new boss. rough ridin' micromanager. First one I've ever had. Goddamnit.
pwned
Post by: CNS on October 11, 2016, 09:13:40 AM
Could end up well.
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 11, 2016, 09:15:11 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 11, 2016, 09:18:26 AM
Well it's going to suck in the interim. I've already sent 5 short/snarky email responses to her this morning.
Oh, she's a woman. She's just trying to establish her dominance in a male-oriented world, so you don't initially get the idea that you can run all over her just because she is a woman.
Post by: meow meow on October 11, 2016, 09:35:36 AM
Well it's going to suck in the interim. I've already sent 5 short/snarky email responses to her this morning.
Yes, very good approach.
Post by: The Big Train on October 11, 2016, 09:37:46 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 11, 2016, 09:43:20 AM
Post by: meow meow on October 11, 2016, 10:05:54 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 11, 2016, 10:19:23 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 11, 2016, 10:34:37 AM
Post by: meow meow on October 11, 2016, 11:25:55 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on October 11, 2016, 01:38:08 PM
grab her by the pussy!
[/trump]
Post by: ShellShock on October 11, 2016, 03:41:46 PM
Start calling her toots and hon. That will get her off your case.
This is great advice.
Post by: IPA4Me on October 11, 2016, 03:48:02 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 11, 2016, 03:49:13 PM
Maybe ask for some sandwich making tips.:sdeek:
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 12, 2016, 09:00:34 AM
Post by: CNS on October 12, 2016, 09:09:30 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 12, 2016, 09:20:50 AM
Post by: CNS on October 12, 2016, 09:23:44 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 12, 2016, 09:26:59 AM
Why would I email her an update on things at 8AMish when in theory we should have had an update meeting the previous day at 4PM and the next one is at 930AM? Like why can't she just wait till the rough ridin' meeting? That's the point of the meeting.
Is she the highest rank in the meeting? If not, she is trying to make sure you don't say anything that she gets surprised by in front of her boss.
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 12, 2016, 09:38:27 AM
FWIW, I would act differently if I were pursuing a lengthy career here.
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 12, 2016, 09:39:57 AM
Why would I email her an update on things at 8AMish when in theory we should have had an update meeting the previous day at 4PM and the next one is at 930AM? Like why can't she just wait till the rough ridin' meeting? That's the point of the meeting.
Is she the highest rank in the meeting? If not, she is trying to make sure you don't say anything that she gets surprised by in front of her boss.
Sometimes. She needs to get over it. It's not like it's her fault if something changes between 4PM on a Monday and 930 AM on a Tuesday.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 12, 2016, 09:40:44 AM
I'm thinking the snarky responses worked because we went from 5 emails to 0 in just one day. Ima just do that if this arises again.
FWIW, I would act differently if I were pursuing a lengthy career here.
Would you react differently if your boss were a man?
What are your relative ages? Would you react differently if your boss was significantly older (i.e. maybe more experienced) than you?
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 12, 2016, 09:42:40 AM
Sometimes. She needs to get over it. It's not like it's her fault if something changes between 4PM on a Monday and 930 AM on a Tuesday.
Her boss may not see it that way or react according to that logic. Or perhaps she's had bosses in the past that reacted badly to that situation. She just started right? Maybe once she sees how this office works she will adjust accordingly.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 12, 2016, 09:47:26 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 12, 2016, 09:52:14 AM
I'm thinking the snarky responses worked because we went from 5 emails to 0 in just one day. Ima just do that if this arises again.
FWIW, I would act differently if I were pursuing a lengthy career here.
Would you react differently if your boss were a man?
What are your relative ages? Would you react differently if your boss was significantly older (i.e. maybe more experienced) than you?
I don't know, I've never had a male micromanager boss before. At my previous employer I had 9 different bosses in 9 years, 2 of them female, and I got along with one great and the other not so great, but at least she wasn't a micromanager, we just didn't agree on the direction of the department. Of the 7 male bosses I really liked most of them. One I hated for legitimate reasons. One I ended up not liking because he was a failure as a manager, but like I'd have beers with him or whatever, no hard feelings or anything. Good guy otherwise.
She's older than me, not sure of her age, maybe like 50 (I'm 34). She has worked her way up from like the blue collar side of the business, and I can respect that. This is the first time she's managed folks with a college degree.
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 12, 2016, 09:53:46 AM
Sometimes. She needs to get over it. It's not like it's her fault if something changes between 4PM on a Monday and 930 AM on a Tuesday.
Her boss may not see it that way or react according to that logic. Or perhaps she's had bosses in the past that reacted badly to that situation. She just started right? Maybe once she sees how this office works she will adjust accordingly.
I'm not sensitive to that situation. She's going to have to get over it.
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 12, 2016, 10:00:31 AM
What happened to the old boss?
He had more than two dozen direct reports including some functional managers and was overloaded. They kinda shifted who reports to whom, did hire one other manager, too. This was all spurred by "learnings" from when we had a consultant come in. The consultant was an idiot, BTW, just on cruise control before retirement.
Post by: meow meow on October 12, 2016, 10:25:46 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 12, 2016, 10:48:33 AM
Actually the consultant thing was two people, one of whom quit just after the project completed. The other (idiot), is a huge advocate of paper files. Everything should be paper. Computers are for emails, that's it.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on October 12, 2016, 11:03:49 AM
I've only said two people were idiots. There are some good people here, but no doubt this is a dying company and I don't jive with the culture.
Actually the consultant thing was two people, one of whom quit just after the project completed. The other (idiot), is a huge advocate of paper files. Everything should be paper. Computers are for emails, that's it.
Were both of the consultants named Bob?
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 12, 2016, 12:31:56 PM
I've only said two people were idiots. There are some good people here, but no doubt this is a dying company and I don't jive with the culture.
Actually the consultant thing was two people, one of whom quit just after the project completed. The other (idiot), is a huge advocate of paper files. Everything should be paper. Computers are for emails, that's it.
Were both of the consultants named Bob?
One Bob, one Chris. Chris sorta had a mullet thing and drove a brand new orange Dodge Charger or something like that.
Post by: nicname on October 16, 2016, 01:01:51 AM
I never got the same feeling with part-time jobs.
eff me.
Post by: IPA4Me on October 24, 2016, 03:53:53 PM
Go Cats!
Post by: Tobias on October 24, 2016, 03:54:53 PM
Post by: puniraptor on October 24, 2016, 05:53:25 PM
Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?
Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2016, 05:54:40 PM
Post by: Canary on October 24, 2016, 06:04:19 PM
I am in management (one boss above me in the organization), and have just over 70 staff directly under my supervision. I do not micromanage, as I trust my folks to do what they are hired to do. And I manage the reviews honestly and directly. On a day-to-day basis I am clear in my expectations, and conference with those who are not meeting them.I'm thinking the snarky responses worked because we went from 5 emails to 0 in just one day. Ima just do that if this arises again.
FWIW, I would act differently if I were pursuing a lengthy career here.
Would you react differently if your boss were a man?
What are your relative ages? Would you react differently if your boss was significantly older (i.e. maybe more experienced) than you?
I don't know, I've never had a male micromanager boss before. At my previous employer I had 9 different bosses in 9 years, 2 of them female, and I got along with one great and the other not so great, but at least she wasn't a micromanager, we just didn't agree on the direction of the department. Of the 7 male bosses I really liked most of them. One I hated for legitimate reasons. One I ended up not liking because he was a failure as a manager, but like I'd have beers with him or whatever, no hard feelings or anything. Good guy otherwise.
She's older than me, not sure of her age, maybe like 50 (I'm 34). She has worked her way up from like the blue collar side of the business, and I can respect that. This is the first time she's managed folks with a college degree.
However, I don't want to go to any meetings where I will be surprised by the folks under my supervision. I expect communication prior to meetings, particularly if I sent out the agenda in advance. I have staff much older than I and some who were not born when I started by career. I don't think it is unreasonable to communicate both directions; my staff knows they may be honest with me about their assessments of my decisions. They also know that as management, the decision becomes mine after getting whatever input is shared. From the outside I may appear to be hard to work for, but I believe that most of my staff is confident that my decisions are always based on what is best for the organization and the folks we impact.
Post by: IPA4Me on October 24, 2016, 06:33:08 PM
I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?
No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
Post by: Skipper44 on October 24, 2016, 08:38:55 PM
Post by: CNS on October 24, 2016, 09:06:30 PM
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Post by: IPA4Me on October 25, 2016, 05:46:55 AM
Can I program a Nest 3 to run the heat pump during the day and then switch to gas every night?I'll have to look at the setup, but it's usually based on outdoor temperature vice time of day.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 25, 2016, 07:17:47 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 25, 2016, 08:51:41 AM
I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
What additional hardware does the Gen 3 Nest have that the earlier models do not?
Post by: IPA4Me on October 25, 2016, 09:43:11 AM
Improved internal components that would overheat leading to erratic operations.I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
What additional hardware does the Gen 3 Nest have that the earlier models do not?
Post by: IPA4Me on October 25, 2016, 09:43:49 AM
Outdoor temperature lockout only.Can I program a Nest 3 to run the heat pump during the day and then switch to gas every night?I'll have to look at the setup, but it's usually based on outdoor temperature vice time of day.
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 25, 2016, 09:50:22 AM
Improved internal components that would overheat leading to erratic operations.I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
What additional hardware does the Gen 3 Nest have that the earlier models do not?
If that's true, that's mumped up. They should have recalled the old ones and offered free replacements.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 25, 2016, 10:10:58 AM
Post by: kim carnes on October 25, 2016, 10:26:45 AM
Improved internal components that would overheat leading to erratic operations.I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
What additional hardware does the Gen 3 Nest have that the earlier models do not?
If that's true, that's mumped up. They should have recalled the old ones and offered free replacements.
Quit crashing the Internet u guys
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on October 25, 2016, 10:43:36 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on October 25, 2016, 11:07:04 AM
well I just got an ecobee, so I guess I'm glad I don't have to worry about thatExcellent choice. Phenomenal data logging capabilities. :love:
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on October 25, 2016, 11:23:25 AM
well I just got an ecobee, so I guess I'm glad I don't have to worry about thatExcellent choice. Phenomenal data logging capabilities. :love:
cool. I will probably install this weekend, I need to use the adapter as I don't have a C-wire.
Post by: IPA4Me on October 25, 2016, 03:06:04 PM
In most industries, recalls only happen for safety issues. Funky operations are covered under warranty.Improved internal components that would overheat leading to erratic operations.I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
What additional hardware does the Gen 3 Nest have that the earlier models do not?
If that's true, that's mumped up. They should have recalled the old ones and offered free replacements.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2016, 01:46:19 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 03, 2016, 01:52:39 PM
Then I make eye contact with another PM and I'm like "wtf?!" and he like "haha wtf," <-- but like in eye contact face expressions only.
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 03, 2016, 01:53:40 PM
Post by: sys on November 03, 2016, 01:58:13 PM
Post by: Tobias on November 03, 2016, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on November 03, 2016, 02:01:09 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2016, 02:01:28 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2016, 02:04:47 PM
Lib, what do you want as the resolution to your boredom issue? Have a solution in mind before you bring it up with your boss.
My solution is a different job, but that is complicated
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on November 03, 2016, 02:07:28 PM
Lib, what do you want as the resolution to your boredom issue? Have a solution in mind before you bring it up with your boss.
My solution is a different job, but that is complicated
Another job within the same company?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2016, 02:14:33 PM
Post by: CNS on November 03, 2016, 02:15:56 PM
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Post by: Emo EMAW on November 03, 2016, 02:16:28 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on November 03, 2016, 02:19:02 PM
Ideally
Then there is no reason to mention it to your boss.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2016, 02:21:29 PM
Post by: sys on November 03, 2016, 02:54:19 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on November 03, 2016, 02:56:42 PM
Why
Oh crap. Sorry I read your answer wrong. (Or I forget how I phrased the question.) I was thinking you wanted to leave the company.
If you want another job within the same company, then yes tell your boss. But have what other job you want in mind. Would your current boss be the boss of the other job you want?
Post by: pissclams on November 03, 2016, 02:58:15 PM
Post by: Tobias on November 03, 2016, 03:01:03 PM
Post by: sys on November 03, 2016, 03:01:18 PM
have been responding to work related emails promptly from my house.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2016, 03:03:35 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2016, 03:14:47 PM
Why
Oh crap. Sorry I read your answer wrong. (Or I forget how I phrased the question.) I was thinking you wanted to leave the company.
If you want another job within the same company, then yes tell your boss. But have what other job you want in mind. Would your current boss be the boss of the other job you want?
No he would not. It would be a different department.
Post by: kim carnes on November 03, 2016, 03:26:05 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2016, 03:28:28 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 03, 2016, 03:51:25 PM
Getting really bored with my job. Dunno what to do.This is the main reason I'm changing jobs. I am very bored with my current role. Time to expand and challenge myself. More money and leadership opportunities are just gravy on the challenge biscuit.
Post by: meow meow on November 03, 2016, 04:03:10 PM
I can't even imagine how stressful it is hiring dentists. What a logistical nightmare.
such is the life of a traveling doctor recruiter
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2016, 04:07:10 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 03, 2016, 04:14:31 PM
Post by: puniraptor on November 03, 2016, 04:17:21 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2016, 04:20:50 PM
KC is probably a venture capitalist
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2016, 04:25:04 PM
Post by: CHONGS on November 03, 2016, 04:35:42 PM
Post by: meow meow on November 03, 2016, 04:39:45 PM
What do you guys do KC and M^2? I bet it's something amazing too because cats.
lawyer recruiter
Post by: sys on November 03, 2016, 05:22:09 PM
I need a good 5 day weekend.
did you see where i haven't gone to work this week (making today day five of my weekend)? might be worth trying.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2016, 05:24:34 PM
Post by: sys on November 03, 2016, 05:32:11 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2016, 06:28:48 PM
You're apparently good at lying, so that would make sense. :love:What do you guys do KC and M^2? I bet it's something amazing too because cats.
lawyer recruiter
Post by: Spracne on November 03, 2016, 06:55:05 PM
You're apparently good at lying, so that would make sense. :love:What do you guys do KC and M^2? I bet it's something amazing too because cats.
lawyer recruiter
:dubious:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2016, 07:35:53 PM
Post by: pissclams on November 03, 2016, 08:38:54 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2016, 08:42:35 PM
probably, he seems pretty good at lying his ass off
remember when he told everyone he's black? yeah, as if :rolleyes:
Post by: CHONGS on November 03, 2016, 09:22:50 PM
I bet i could miss two maybe the days before it got seriousI need a good 5 day weekend.
did you see where i haven't gone to work this week (making today day five of my weekend)? might be worth trying.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 03, 2016, 09:28:42 PM
Post by: sys on November 03, 2016, 10:46:07 PM
I bet i could miss two maybe the days before it got serious
that's a four day weekend, chingon!
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on November 04, 2016, 08:23:14 AM
Post by: puniraptor on November 04, 2016, 08:24:38 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 04, 2016, 08:48:09 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 04, 2016, 09:03:13 AM
Post by: CNS on November 04, 2016, 09:05:45 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 04, 2016, 09:16:29 AM
Post by: CNS on November 04, 2016, 09:30:54 AM
Suck it, mites!
Post by: Tobias on November 04, 2016, 11:03:39 AM
Post by: CNS on November 04, 2016, 11:29:48 AM
i am also impervious to unicorn gorings
I bet that feels pretty great!
Post by: sys on November 04, 2016, 12:14:37 PM
Sys, what is going on? You did not go to work but are still responding to work emails? In the emails, did anyone ask you why you haven't gone to work?
nope, no one has asked.
Post by: mocat on November 04, 2016, 12:19:04 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 04, 2016, 12:29:28 PM
Post by: pissclams on November 04, 2016, 12:38:01 PM
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117
Post by: _33 on November 04, 2016, 12:44:09 PM
Post by: sys on November 04, 2016, 12:53:45 PM
I hope this saga continues. I want to see if he can go on indefinitely.
today's the last day. i have to do billable work that requires a physical presence next week.
Post by: sys on November 04, 2016, 12:55:37 PM
@sys
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117
that guy's a hero.
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 04, 2016, 12:59:02 PM
If I didn't show up for even like 10 minutes I would be in major troubs.
I was an hour late today. I'm going to leave an hour early today. Nothing will be said about it.
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 04, 2016, 01:08:16 PM
Post by: sys on November 04, 2016, 01:22:26 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 04, 2016, 01:23:48 PM
Post by: sys on November 04, 2016, 01:25:28 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 04, 2016, 01:32:29 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 11, 2016, 02:26:29 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 14, 2016, 03:43:03 PM
Ideally
new job, or new location (Denver?)
honestly, if I was a full time estimator I'd be bored to death. You thinking PM?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 14, 2016, 03:48:22 PM
Ideally
new job, or new location (Denver?)
honestly, if I was a full time estimator I'd be bored to death. You thinking PM?
Pretty much where I'm at.
Post by: sys on November 14, 2016, 04:52:40 PM
did you see where i haven't gone to work this week (making today day five of my weekend)?
they fired two people in my office today, neither of whom was me.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 14, 2016, 04:54:07 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 14, 2016, 05:05:33 PM
how many days do you think chum1 could miss before it was a problem? like 20?
Do I call in? What reason do I give and when do I give it?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 14, 2016, 05:29:21 PM
Sys was brave enough for 4 days, can you beat it?
Post by: chum1 on November 14, 2016, 05:47:27 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 15, 2016, 05:35:14 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 15, 2016, 08:52:38 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on November 15, 2016, 08:54:09 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 15, 2016, 08:58:20 AM
What kind of jobs do you people have that you can just not show up at work?They're really trying hard to fanning brag about how much these lazy POS can get away with at work. It's really bizarre.
Post by: chum1 on November 15, 2016, 09:06:31 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 15, 2016, 09:27:08 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 15, 2016, 09:39:29 AM
What kind of jobs do you people have that you can just not show up at work?They're really trying hard to fanning brag about how much these lazy POS can get away with at work. It's really bizarre.
Really it's about how efficient we are (at least me) with our time. Had I stayed longer yesterday I'm not sure what I could have accomplished.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 15, 2016, 09:45:17 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 15, 2016, 09:49:22 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 15, 2016, 09:55:24 AM
I do meet with clients on targeted sales calls a few times s week. So the majority of my time is spent in my three state territory. Excursions to the beach or mountains are not the norm but it does happen.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 15, 2016, 10:06:26 AM
Starting to dabble in this. Went home at 2 yesterday unannounced. No one has said anything yet.
I do this a lot. For the most part I can make my own schedule though. I have 5-6 deadlines a month and as long as I hit those deadlines no one cares about anything
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 15, 2016, 10:08:07 AM
I have crap PTO. It sucks. I can't wait to get out of here for that reason alone.When my mom was fighting through her cancer this year, they let me stay at the hospital all week without docking me anything. It was pretty amazing. They knew I had used a lot for my wedding and honeymoon too and they wanted to be with me through that time.
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 15, 2016, 10:12:16 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 15, 2016, 10:13:54 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 15, 2016, 10:14:39 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 15, 2016, 10:16:36 AM
Post by: Tobias on November 15, 2016, 10:19:37 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 15, 2016, 10:20:01 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 15, 2016, 10:23:45 AM
Since I drew this special elk tag I wanted to take an extra week off unpaid. My boss didn't know how to do that so I went to HR. They were gutless, said "have to check with corporate." They basically came back and said no. I asked for copy of employee handbook. "We don't have one." "We're a seven billion dollar company without an employee handbook? "Yes." What's the policy on paternity leave? "Two weeks. I think it's two weeks. Yes, I think so." :facepalm:
if you're an exempt employee, short of firing you there isn't much they can do about it.
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 15, 2016, 10:42:16 AM
Post by: Tobias on November 15, 2016, 10:45:05 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 15, 2016, 10:46:23 AM
Post by: CNS on November 15, 2016, 10:46:50 AM
Starting to dabble in this. Went home at 2 yesterday unannounced. No one has said anything yet.
I do this a lot. For the most part I can make my own schedule though. I have 5-6 deadlines a month and as long as I hit those deadlines no one cares about anything
DO NOT GIVE THIS UP TO BE A PM!
Post by: star seed 7 on November 15, 2016, 10:47:54 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 15, 2016, 10:49:26 AM
Since I drew this special elk tag I wanted to take an extra week off unpaid. My boss didn't know how to do that so I went to HR. They were gutless, said "have to check with corporate." They basically came back and said no. I asked for copy of employee handbook. "We don't have one." "We're a seven billion dollar company without an employee handbook? "Yes." What's the policy on paternity leave? "Two weeks. I think it's two weeks. Yes, I think so." :facepalm:
if you're an exempt employee, short of firing you there isn't much they can do about it.
Ya I ended up taking off some days anyway. Got sick.
Post by: CNS on November 15, 2016, 10:54:54 AM
Super boring tho
Find several things outside of work that you like and dig in, or go work somewhere smaller where you can be estimator and a PM on projects.
PM, in my experience, can swing you to the far opposite end of the spectrum for pretty similar money.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on November 17, 2016, 08:58:48 AM
(https://scontent.fmci1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15036305_1359948570684269_4249507511335224888_n.jpg?oh=92dc9619c53d14cb5b4b7b33fe9d8e6d&oe=58D4F363)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 17, 2016, 09:01:15 AM
I'm posting this in here because it reminded me of all you guysFixed your postwho can get away with not going to workwho don't work, but get a paycheck.
(https://scontent.fmci1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15036305_1359948570684269_4249507511335224888_n.jpg?oh=92dc9619c53d14cb5b4b7b33fe9d8e6d&oe=58D4F363)
Post by: CNS on November 17, 2016, 09:05:30 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 17, 2016, 09:47:03 AM
Post by: halfEmpty on November 17, 2016, 10:05:10 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 17, 2016, 10:19:03 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 17, 2016, 10:20:42 AM
Post by: kim carnes on November 17, 2016, 10:31:18 AM
Post by: Gooch on November 17, 2016, 10:34:23 AM
@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 17, 2016, 10:39:27 AM
@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
Post by: Gooch on November 17, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 17, 2016, 11:29:26 AM
ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
Post by: Gooch on November 17, 2016, 02:58:59 PM
Well you'd be very surprised then.ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 17, 2016, 03:34:57 PM
Well you'd be very surprised then.ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
Isn't there like 100% traceability requirement?
Post by: Gooch on November 17, 2016, 04:06:56 PM
Correct but people buy from people with minimal certifications if any. It's really quite scary when you see how the sausage (planes) are made. Also there are people like Mrs. Gooch doing very technical crap on them. She couldn't even figure out how to open the garage door when the electricity went out. :lol:Well you'd be very surprised then.ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
Isn't there like 100% traceability requirement?
Edit - In all fairness Mrs's Gooch doesn't build them she breaks them or tells them when it will break.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on November 17, 2016, 04:07:41 PM
Correct but people buy from people with minimal certifications if any. It's really quite scary when you see how the sausage (planes) are made. Also there are people like Mrs. Gooch doing very technical crap on them. She couldn't even figure out how to open the garage door when the electricity went out. :lol:Well you'd be very surprised then.ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
Isn't there like 100% traceability requirement?
:dubious:
Post by: Gooch on November 17, 2016, 04:08:43 PM
I made an edit.Correct but people buy from people with minimal certifications if any. It's really quite scary when you see how the sausage (planes) are made. Also there are people like Mrs. Gooch doing very technical crap on them. She couldn't even figure out how to open the garage door when the electricity went out. :lol:Well you'd be very surprised then.ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
Isn't there like 100% traceability requirement?
:dubious:
Post by: star seed 7 on November 17, 2016, 04:21:15 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 17, 2016, 04:58:44 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on November 17, 2016, 05:56:32 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 17, 2016, 06:49:25 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 17, 2016, 08:24:25 PM
Breaking it is the easy part. Knowing when it is and when it isn't going to break is the hard part.Cool job! Destructive engineering has always been something that I've found to be pretty neat focus.
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 22, 2016, 10:56:24 AM
http://www.thedottespotbarandgrill.com/
Post by: CNS on November 22, 2016, 10:58:20 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on November 22, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
Company Christmas party is at THE DOTTE SPOT BAR AND GRILL!!! :excited:
http://www.thedottespotbarandgrill.com/
They had me at complimentary pork rinds.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on November 22, 2016, 12:32:57 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 05, 2016, 08:27:14 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 05, 2016, 09:29:50 PM
i guess what i'm saying is to avoid burning a bridge if possible but always look out for #1 first. try to appease both sides if possible, if not, then make the new employer happy while trying to not make current employer too mad.
2 weeks is standard, a lot of employers accept 2 weeks and walk you out after 1 day. if this was the screening interview or 1st interview, you've got a long way to go. also tell them you can get moved quicker if they help financially, temp housing/points on house/moving expenses, etc.
Post by: CNS on December 05, 2016, 09:36:17 PM
Post by: sys on December 05, 2016, 09:38:12 PM
Post by: sys on December 05, 2016, 09:39:37 PM
Post by: kim carnes on December 05, 2016, 10:00:56 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 05, 2016, 11:28:28 PM
two weeks for the notice and then however much time you want to move.
I said 6-8 weeks total but that seems really long.
Post by: Institutional Control on December 06, 2016, 07:40:40 AM
two weeks for the notice and then however much time you want to move.
I said 6-8 weeks total but that seems really long.
Can you break your lease early?
Post by: star seed 7 on December 06, 2016, 08:09:34 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 06, 2016, 08:43:55 AM
the people in charge of my job told me (and everyone else) at the all-staff meeting that they'll be cutting the 401k match from 50% to 33% for next year. motherfuckers.Sounds about right. Especially if most of you are just sitting at home for weeks on end and not showing up to work. Glad they finally grew some balls.
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2016, 09:05:17 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 06, 2016, 09:10:12 AM
So I had a phone interview for a job in California today, and it went pretty well, but the question of how much time I would need to give notice and get moved was asked and I had not even thought about that. I know a few of you have made big moves like that for employment, how much time did you take? What complications did you hit?
2 weeks minimum. In your case, if you have a major project you may be the lead on, I'd either offer to stay until it is complete (assuming it's a typical bid cycle), or let them know ASAP so it may be reassigned. I saw below you said 6-8 weeks, yeah, that's a bit of stretch IMHO given your role.
I gave my last employer 4 weeks notice due to my role and the fact he fired my only cohort right before I gave notice (I mean, like the day before) and I was also basically his IT person. He tried hard to get me to stay, but ended up never replacing either of us.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 06, 2016, 09:46:55 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2016, 10:34:03 AM
Yeah, the notice is no problem given what I do, I was more wondering about the moving part. I've never moved more than an hour or so away so I was wondering if people had unexpected problems or things they would do differently.
Depends on whether or not the company offers a relocation package. Usually those come with a period of temp housing so you can move a little faster. If they are telling you up front there's none of that you'll definitely need more time. But just communicate - if they like you, they'll make it work.
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 06, 2016, 10:48:06 AM
Post by: halfEmpty on December 06, 2016, 11:49:26 AM
Post by: sys on December 06, 2016, 12:37:20 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 06, 2016, 01:05:26 PM
And I'm not sure if I'd accept, have to see what the pay is like. I definitely have a minimum amount in mind to keep a similar quality of life, and that minimum falls right at "average" for the title and location, but I don't know how much faith to put in salary reporting sites (like glassdoor).
There are some other factors too, but pay would probably be the largest decider, San Jose is stupidly expensive.
And if I ever see you sys, I'm going to give you a big aspie on aspie hug
Post by: pissclams on December 06, 2016, 01:10:14 PM
Post by: kim carnes on December 06, 2016, 01:10:25 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on December 06, 2016, 01:11:38 PM
Post by: sys on December 06, 2016, 01:11:54 PM
people i know that try to commute from cheaper housing hate that too. it's no kind of life.
Post by: kim carnes on December 06, 2016, 01:16:49 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 06, 2016, 01:19:36 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 06, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 06, 2016, 01:39:16 PM
Anyway all of this has like a 10% chance of happening, I'm just a researcher by nature and like to have as much information as possible.
Post by: sys on December 06, 2016, 02:07:12 PM
One of the houses I saw was a guest house in the mountains about 20 minutes outside of sj.
20 minutes at what time of day? maybe you'd have to go in early enough that traffic wouldn't completely destroy your life?
Post by: star seed 7 on December 06, 2016, 02:22:13 PM
The office is in a pretty good location geographically and I'm "budgeting" for places under 30min in traffic, so I don't expect traffic to be much of a concern for commutes between home and office. The job would include quite a bit of travel around the entire bay during the day though, so I'd probably hit more traffic issues coming back from a site visit and that's pretty much unavoidable for the region
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2016, 02:34:47 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 06, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
I don't know if I would enjoy living in the Bay much if I couldn't take bart to work every day. I definitely would enjoy it less.
Yes, one major drawback is this office is a mile or more from the light rail, but having a company vehicle makes that difficult to utilize anyway.
Post by: sys on December 06, 2016, 06:09:10 PM
also, they fired another person. there's not that many people left to fire. (the fired person did not eat the half burrito).
Post by: sys on December 08, 2016, 05:51:37 PM
also, they fired another person. there's not that many people left to fire. (the fired person did not eat the half burrito).
they fired another person today. they're down to 11 people in this office. a year ago they had 18. eighteen months ago they had 23. hopefully i'll last long enough to snag an extra half burrito to make up for the one i that was stolen from me.
Post by: Tobias on December 08, 2016, 05:52:46 PM
Post by: sys on December 08, 2016, 06:00:32 PM
it was an administrator (secretary). they'll be back in on the professional staff next time.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 08, 2016, 06:05:46 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 08, 2016, 07:05:11 PM
Post by: sys on December 08, 2016, 07:45:54 PM
Govt office sys?
don't be silly, of course not.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 09, 2016, 08:04:23 AM
You should get a different job and see how long they keep paying you for the old one
This is a great idea.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 14, 2016, 10:58:19 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 14, 2016, 11:00:14 AM
Guys, not #fanningbragging here, just want to tell my friends on this blog the great news! So I got a bonus last month and I was happy with it. However, I had a really bad day at work yesterday and I was pretty frustrated, because I've been sicker than a dog and things had been piling up. Anyways, I've been training the new guy a lot (he's a total stud) and management has noticed. So based on my production and going the extra yard to help out, they offered me a Senior role today and another raise. :emawkid: Then he finished the meeting off by telling me my Christmas bonus is coming Friday as well. Good day for the Fanning's, guys! :cheers: Good day to be a cat alum!
:cheers: try not to eff this one up...
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 14, 2016, 11:00:48 AM
Post by: Tobias on December 14, 2016, 11:06:22 AM
Post by: CNS on December 14, 2016, 11:06:59 AM
Post by: Tobias on December 14, 2016, 11:07:04 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 14, 2016, 11:13:33 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2016, 11:15:44 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 14, 2016, 12:44:31 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 14, 2016, 04:12:48 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 14, 2016, 04:23:04 PM
Post by: ben ji on December 15, 2016, 04:03:46 PM
:thumbs: Speaking of that. My schedule is wide open this weekend. :cheers:
Say hi to my buddy in the poker room
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 15, 2016, 04:07:19 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 16, 2016, 03:07:26 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 16, 2016, 04:34:41 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 17, 2016, 09:31:17 AM
I'm in the middle of an interview to create my own position. Very odd.
tell them about selflessness
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 17, 2016, 09:54:24 AM
Post by: The Big Train on December 17, 2016, 10:01:31 AM
Post by: mocat on December 22, 2016, 06:30:37 PM
Post by: 8manpick on December 22, 2016, 10:32:45 PM
SupNm, u?
Post by: IPA4Me on December 23, 2016, 06:07:42 AM
Post by: mocat on December 23, 2016, 08:27:08 AM
SupNm, u?
i passed a v important exam so i'm pretty happy rn
Post by: Tobias on December 23, 2016, 08:32:01 AM
Post by: 8manpick on December 23, 2016, 08:34:49 AM
Merry Christmas... It's such a great feeling to see that resultSupNm, u?
i passed a v important exam so i'm pretty happy rn
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 23, 2016, 08:41:29 AM
yesMerry Christmas... It's such a great feeling to see that resultSupNm, u?
i passed a v important exam so i'm pretty happy rn
Post by: The Big Train on December 23, 2016, 08:42:50 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2016, 08:50:05 AM
Post by: mocat on December 23, 2016, 09:02:17 AM
'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2016, 09:02:51 AM
Post by: The Big Train on December 23, 2016, 09:07:46 AM
'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2016, 09:09:27 AM
Post by: mocat on December 23, 2016, 09:09:57 AM
'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
Post by: The Big Train on December 23, 2016, 09:17:20 AM
'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
Gotcha. That's awesome man! :thumbs:
Using snail mail makes total sense for KS. I mean I don't think their mainframe infrastructure could handle an exchange server for certifications lol
Post by: 8manpick on December 23, 2016, 09:18:57 AM
'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
Yeah this is pretty late, I took mine Oct 30 last year and got results on Dec 11th (Illinois)
Post by: mocat on December 23, 2016, 09:22:05 AM
'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
Yeah this is pretty late, I took mine Oct 30 last year and got results on Dec 11th (Illinois)
grats 8mpe :cheers:
idk why i waited so long to take it (6 years :sdeek: )
c'est la vie
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2016, 09:23:37 AM
Post by: mocat on December 23, 2016, 09:25:17 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2016, 09:27:18 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2016, 09:27:54 AM
Post by: mocat on December 23, 2016, 09:37:22 AM
Interesting, that makes since. Then when you pass the test, said employer bumps the crap our of your salary?
idk yet but i hope so!
Post by: The Big Train on December 23, 2016, 09:37:48 AM
Post by: Pett on December 23, 2016, 09:49:56 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2016, 09:51:23 AM
Engineering in any discipline is fun Wacky!I bet, I just don't have the brain for it.
Also, thanks Pett. We booked a Puerto Rico trip (had free flight coupons from my buddy), so I'll be in the pool there! :cheers:
Post by: star seed 7 on December 23, 2016, 12:21:12 PM
Post by: hemmy on December 23, 2016, 12:32:34 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 23, 2016, 01:21:35 PM
Congratulations'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
Post by: mocat on December 23, 2016, 01:29:26 PM
You can come work with me now if you want mocat
San jose sounds awful to me
Post by: star seed 7 on December 23, 2016, 01:37:32 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 26, 2016, 08:10:46 PM
'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
How hard is it to get it for multiple states after you get the first outta the way?
Post by: puniraptor on December 26, 2016, 08:56:55 PM
'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
How hard is it to get it for multiple states after you get the first outta the way?
any decent state has reciprocity with any other decent state. stay away from hobo states
Post by: star seed 7 on December 26, 2016, 09:18:36 PM
Post by: sys on January 03, 2017, 02:49:02 PM
someone ate a half burrito that i had in the office fridge. it was a burrito paid for and distributed by the company, nonetheless, it was stacked on top of other food that i'd brought from home. and i'd eaten half of it.
i have acquired a full burrito that i am storing in my cubicle. there are five identical full burritos in the fridge, which i believe to be unclaimed. if i were to take one of the fridge burritos, it would provide me with full recompense, with interest, for my stolen half burrito. however, i might be erroneously stealing someone's claimed burrito.
Post by: pissclams on January 03, 2017, 02:51:08 PM
Post by: Tobias on January 03, 2017, 02:56:39 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 03, 2017, 02:58:30 PM
someone ate a half burrito that i had in the office fridge. it was a burrito paid for and distributed by the company, nonetheless, it was stacked on top of other food that i'd brought from home. and i'd eaten half of it.
i have acquired a full burrito that i am storing in my cubicle. there are five identical full burritos in the fridge, which i believe to be unclaimed. if i were to take one of the fridge burritos, it would provide me with full recompense, with interest, for my stolen half burrito. however, i might be erroneously stealing someone's claimed burrito.
from where did the burritos originate? a local taqueria? a grocery store?
Post by: sys on January 03, 2017, 03:03:58 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 03, 2017, 03:05:23 PM
Post by: sys on January 03, 2017, 03:15:37 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 03, 2017, 03:17:55 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 03, 2017, 03:19:18 PM
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2017, 03:22:36 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 03, 2017, 03:23:19 PM
i believe that the person responsible for purchasing the burritos gathered up the unclaimed burritos and put them in the fridge.
Now you're thinking like a man whose belly is full of burritos.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 03, 2017, 03:23:43 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 03, 2017, 03:25:57 PM
Post by: sys on January 03, 2017, 03:31:51 PM
So someone at the office buys burritos at Whole Foods for everyone at the entire office? And leftovers/unclaimed burritos go into the fridge?
only on the first monday of the month (all staff meeting day). i was caught off guard today because i thought it would be cancelled since monday was a holiday, but they held it today instead and i had already eaten breakfast at home.
i'm not sure on the disposition of unclaimed burritos, i've never seen them in this fridge before, but in previous months they may have been stored in a different fridge that is no longer in regular use.
Post by: sys on January 03, 2017, 03:32:38 PM
He's not responding right now because he is at the fridge, stashing burritos in his clothes.
i have not yet taken a second burrito.
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
Post by: sys on January 03, 2017, 03:34:32 PM
Bring a cooler tomorrow and take home a weeks worth of lunch.
i'll be amazed if they are still there tomorrow.
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 03, 2017, 03:45:39 PM
i bet it was joe rogan
:Wha:
Post by: puniraptor on January 03, 2017, 04:22:48 PM
Post by: sys on January 03, 2017, 05:49:12 PM
they fired so many people they had to consolidate fridges?
yes.
update: i went back to fix a cup of tea and see how the burritos were doing. one had been removed (prob eaten), one had been half eaten and the remainder moved to a higher shelf and a third burrito (whole burrito) had been moved to the highest shelf and placed atop a food stack. good luck to that trusting soul. i removed my second burrito and have now secured it in my cubicle.
Post by: michigancat on January 03, 2017, 06:06:33 PM
You should get a minifridge and keep it at your deskthey fired so many people they had to consolidate fridges?
yes.
update: i went back to fix a cup of tea and see how the burritos were doing. one had been removed (prob eaten), one had been half eaten and the remainder moved to a higher shelf and a third burrito (whole burrito) had been moved to the highest shelf and placed atop a food stack. good luck to that trusting soul. i removed my second burrito and have now secured it in my cubicle.
Post by: sys on January 03, 2017, 06:15:31 PM
You should get a minifridge and keep it at your desk
they'd fire me if i was around enough to get value out of it.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 03, 2017, 06:18:59 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 05, 2017, 04:16:39 PM
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/pf/2017/01/05/best-jobs-2017/index.html
Post by: hemmy on January 13, 2017, 11:18:31 AM
Pluses: Way more pay
Minuses: Less vacation.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 13, 2017, 01:56:27 PM
Have any of you experienced your best friend at work/colleague who does what you do, getting promoted to manager? We canned our other one two weeks ago and now my boy is going to move into that roll. We also fired our other person in our position today, so now i'm on a lonely island of recruiting for 4 regions until we hire some more doctor recruiters. My life is over for the next few months. Yikes!I would not wish this on my worst enemies, guys! He's totally changed and it's been really stuffy around here. All the things he said he disliked about our past manager, he does x10. Micro manages, talks over ppl, is super fake and overly nice to the new ppl, and he tries to act like a hard ass now. I still like my job, but i'm less motivated these days.
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 13, 2017, 03:13:12 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 13, 2017, 03:14:57 PM
It's business, man. Don't take it personal.:thumbs: I know man, it just sucks. I'll be fine. I know he's super stressed too.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 13, 2017, 03:29:57 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 13, 2017, 03:43:17 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 13, 2017, 03:44:30 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 13, 2017, 03:46:20 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 13, 2017, 03:55:42 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 13, 2017, 03:56:49 PM
I've been feeling the same way bud. Winter is a grind on the soulIt really is. Seasonal depression, right?
Post by: IPA4Me on January 13, 2017, 04:58:11 PM
I don't make friends with the people I work with, very simple solutionThis. I keep it distinctly separated. It helps that I work from home.
Post by: ben ji on January 13, 2017, 11:28:19 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 13, 2017, 11:37:55 PM
I've been feeling the same way bud. Winter is a grind on the soulIt really is. Seasonal depression, right?
It's a mother rough ridin' bitch, guys.
Post by: SdK on January 14, 2017, 09:59:39 PM
Post by: Canary on January 15, 2017, 11:03:54 AM
Post by: DQ12 on February 23, 2017, 12:11:23 PM
11 :sdeek:It likely shows that you are meeting with the wrong people, or they are very indecisive. 2, maybe 3, interviews is reasonable, but 5 wastes a lot of people's time.The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
Please elaborate
ok I agree. I think 3 is the perfect number.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on February 23, 2017, 12:44:13 PM
Post by: catastrophe on February 23, 2017, 03:35:59 PM
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2017, 07:21:07 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 23, 2017, 07:40:31 PM
Honestly I assumed that I'd hear one way or the other after the call back, but regardless, pretty excited about this.
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2017, 07:45:09 PM
Yeah. I had an initial screener with hiring partner. Got a call-back where I met for 30 minutes a piece with 6 people (4 partners, 2 associates), and I'm meeting with them again next week for what they said would be about 2 hours - so I'm assuming 4 more people.
Honestly I assumed that I'd hear one way or the other after the call back, but regardless, pretty excited about this.
Hope you get it! I lucked into one of those biglaw jobs my 1L summer, and I'll probs just ride that sombitch into permanent--such that it is--employment.
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2017, 07:46:07 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 23, 2017, 08:25:20 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 23, 2017, 09:09:22 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 23, 2017, 10:39:09 PM
Post by: hemmy on February 23, 2017, 11:39:09 PM
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 09:05:24 AM
Post by: pissclams on March 02, 2017, 10:58:20 AM
you can find a million templates online, no one should ever create one from scratch
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 02, 2017, 11:05:20 AM
But all joking aside, I definitely had a few ppl close to me help me out SdK. If you want, you can send me what you have, and I can try and help. I look at resume's all day long.
Even having someone you admire and asking to look at theirs helped me.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 02, 2017, 11:22:38 AM
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 11:28:21 AM
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 11:29:30 AM
i just searched jobs listings for jobs i was looking for and took the skills that they wanted and added them to my resumeI'd imagine we were looking for different types of jobs given our income gap. But I'll definitely take this advice. Thank you. And I'm sure you have a degree. This would all be a lot easier if I had one.
you can find a million templates online, no one should ever create one from scratch
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 11:31:13 AM
I just handed in Michigancat's resume to get my job.Canary is going to help me. He has a BS and two Masters. I just like to cast a wide net for advice. When I get one finished I'll send it your way. I'll just look for typos. :)
But all joking aside, I definitely had a few ppl close to me help me out SdK. If you want, you can send me what you have, and I can try and help. I look at resume's all day long.
Even having someone you admire and asking to look at theirs helped me.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2017, 11:39:27 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 02, 2017, 11:50:10 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2017, 11:57:11 AM
I posted my resume for review on a message board for people in my industry and the concensus was it's "all over the place" and that I don't sell myself. Probably fair criticism, but no one would offer advice on how to improve it so now I'm just like :dunno:
I would look at what specific items are important to the job you are applying for and expand on those. Take things you've done in the past that they won't really care about and take them off the resume. Of course, save an old copy of your current resume so you have something that is easy to work with if you ever apply for a job where those things might matter more.
Post by: eastcat on March 02, 2017, 05:00:32 PM
I can't tell if it went great or terrible.
Post by: puniraptor on March 02, 2017, 05:10:29 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 02, 2017, 07:41:12 PM
tru tv: i put my office chili cook off champion title on my resume. kiss the rings
there's a reason why they exiled you to halfway around the world
Post by: SdK on March 03, 2017, 12:34:13 AM
Post by: SdK on March 03, 2017, 12:34:56 AM
Post by: puniraptor on March 03, 2017, 03:49:11 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170303/ab5eea4c3e2bb9546ec98c59655a305c.gif)tru tv: i put my office chili cook off champion title on my resume. kiss the rings
there's a reason why they exiled you to halfway around the world
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 03, 2017, 10:20:08 AM
I posted my resume for review on a message board for people in my industry and the concensus was it's "all over the place" and that I don't sell myself. Probably fair criticism, but no one would offer advice on how to improve it so now I'm just like :dunno:
michigancat gave me some good pointers
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 03, 2017, 10:25:36 AM
Just had the first skype interview of my life.
I can't tell if it went great or terrible.
I can't imagine a skype interview.
I interviewed on 2 phone interviews for the recent job offer I had. First met in person with my buddy (VP) and an old college prof (Pres) informally, then had a phone interview with a VP of a large contractor that is a sister company to the hiring company and the Pres of hiring company and someone else from the ownership group, then did about 5 hours of online screening including a 90 minute psych profile, then a phone interview with a VP of the ownership group ($2B), the hiring company Pres, and a VP from yet another sister company.
I couldn't imagine doing all that on video. So awkward.
Post by: Tobias on March 03, 2017, 10:26:51 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 03, 2017, 10:28:31 AM
Post by: DQ12 on March 03, 2017, 10:30:35 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 03, 2017, 10:32:34 AM
i couldn't imagine doing all that period
I was surprised. I've never worked for a large corporation, so I thought that the local company culture was still going to be small timey, but the $2B ownership company has it's fingers in everything the $50mil company does. Very disappointing. The above process took about 6 weeks to get through by the way to the point I received the offer, and I was the sole candidate.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2017, 10:34:27 AM
I posted my resume for review on a message board for people in my industry and the concensus was it's "all over the place" and that I don't sell myself. Probably fair criticism, but no one would offer advice on how to improve it so now I'm just like :dunno:
michigancat gave me some good pointers
Ironically the only positive feedback was on the part mc had me change.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 03, 2017, 10:35:59 AM
i couldn't imagine doing all that period
I was surprised. I've never worked for a large corporation, so I thought that the local company culture was still going to be small timey, but the $2B ownership company has it's fingers in everything the $50mil company does. Very disappointing. The above process took about 6 weeks to get through by the way to the point I received the offer, and I was the sole candidate.
that's called leverage my guy
Post by: halfEmpty on March 03, 2017, 11:27:51 AM
Post by: halfEmpty on March 14, 2017, 09:41:01 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on March 14, 2017, 09:54:54 AM
Post by: meow meow on March 14, 2017, 10:46:17 AM
I've accepted a position in Topeka and am moving my family back to Kansas in a few weeks. Anything good going on in Topeka?
move them to MHK, and commute. that is, if you love them.
Post by: wetwillie on March 14, 2017, 10:56:30 AM
Post by: The Big Train on March 14, 2017, 10:58:23 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 14, 2017, 12:00:14 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 14, 2017, 12:41:39 PM
I posted my resume for review on a message board for people in my industry and the concensus was it's "all over the place" and that I don't sell myself. Probably fair criticism, but no one would offer advice on how to improve it so now I'm just like :dunno:
michigancat gave me some good pointers
Ironically the only positive feedback was on the part mc had me change.
lol whoops! :lol:
Post by: star seed 7 on March 14, 2017, 12:54:19 PM
Post by: halfEmpty on March 14, 2017, 01:00:55 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 14, 2017, 01:15:09 PM
No, I mean yours was the only good part
:driving:
Post by: SdK on March 14, 2017, 01:15:45 PM
Post by: SdK on March 14, 2017, 01:18:23 PM
The city is what you wake it though. Lacks a lot of the youthful feeling of MHK and Lawrence. But there are good parts and it's all good.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 14, 2017, 01:20:15 PM
Post by: meow meow on March 14, 2017, 01:40:51 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 14, 2017, 01:42:47 PM
#chips
Post by: star seed 7 on March 14, 2017, 02:02:37 PM
i believe there's a frito lay factory in topeka, kansas
#chips
My best bud in the whole wide world works there. He's got more free chips than he knows what to do with
Post by: SdK on March 14, 2017, 02:03:56 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 14, 2017, 02:05:59 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 14, 2017, 03:16:41 PM
^^^ made up storyWeird, if so.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 14, 2017, 03:33:27 PM
i believe there's a frito lay factory in topeka, kansas
#chips
My best bud in the whole wide world works there. He's got more free chips than he knows what to do with
my buddy/neighbor is in charge of production. Can confirm, chips for all events. They get a small amount free then have to buy the rest at deep discount. But they eat free in the lunch room. Also when we work there they give us chips if we want them in the lunch room.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 14, 2017, 04:03:38 PM
i believe there's a frito lay factory in topeka, kansas
#chips
My best bud in the whole wide world works there. He's got more free chips than he knows what to do with
my buddy/neighbor is in charge of production. Can confirm, chips for all events. They get a small amount free then have to buy the rest at deep discount. But they eat free in the lunch room. Also when we work there they give us chips if we want them in the lunch room.
When I worked for RF adding on to the trail mix factory in Manhattan, they gave us like 50lb Tupperwares worth of crap. I was like ok but I don't like trail mix.
Not a damn thing from Tallgrass smdh
Post by: AbeFroman on March 14, 2017, 04:12:39 PM
Post by: DQ12 on March 14, 2017, 04:13:41 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 14, 2017, 04:22:42 PM
Post by: puniraptor on March 14, 2017, 04:31:05 PM
Anyone know what the Parker Hannefin plant in MHK does?Rubber hoses
Post by: star seed 7 on March 14, 2017, 04:32:47 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 14, 2017, 05:42:13 PM
Post by: Spracne on March 14, 2017, 07:09:11 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 14, 2017, 09:37:21 PM
Post by: mocat on March 14, 2017, 09:48:58 PM
Knew an EMAW guy who worked for a major beef jerky producer. Dude was rollin' in the perks.
(https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/not-impressed.jpg?w=420)
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 15, 2017, 11:12:34 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 15, 2017, 11:22:59 AM
Post by: halfEmpty on March 15, 2017, 11:42:56 AM
Topeka is fine. You just have to pick a nice neighborhood. I'd suggest the west side. That's where I live and just stay on Wanamaker and use the interstate.
we'll eventually try to find some land on the outskirts of town.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 15, 2017, 11:46:48 AM
Post by: _33 on March 15, 2017, 12:08:19 PM
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 12:14:52 PM
SE of town is good too. If I were to ever move back to Topeka I would probably look outside of town on the SE. Shawnee Heights is fine.Where is SE? I must have never been there. All I can think of is Topeka and Kansas Blvd and yuck. Or are you talking about out by lake and Croco?
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 12:16:02 PM
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 12:16:30 PM
Good call. I know out west there are plenty of nice houses with land. I'm sure you'll find a great spot where ever you look and a good school district.Topeka is fine. You just have to pick a nice neighborhood. I'd suggest the west side. That's where I live and just stay on Wanamaker and use the interstate.
we'll eventually try to find some land on the outskirts of town.
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 12:16:56 PM
my motto when it comes to topeka living is "live as close to baby dolls as possible"Hahahaha eff that
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 12:17:55 PM
I hear the sports cab ladies go the extra mile thoughmy motto when it comes to topeka living is "live as close to baby dolls as possible"Hahahaha eff that
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 12:53:43 PM
Post by: _33 on March 15, 2017, 01:00:26 PM
SE of town is good too. If I were to ever move back to Topeka I would probably look outside of town on the SE. Shawnee Heights is fine.
Or are you talking about out by lake and Croco?
Yeah. I know some people who live out on Berryton rd. It's a nice area.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 15, 2017, 01:04:47 PM
Anyone know what the Parker Hannefin plant in MHK does?
rdphff (rick daris parker hannefin fast facts)
1) I played on a parker hannefin mprd baseball team when I was around 8.
2) a friend of mine named matt managed the whole ph place for a few years. he was from ohio and had worked with them there and then moved to mhk to manage the ph here and then got moved back a couple of years ago. still works for them I think.
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 01:04:53 PM
That is a nice area that I forgot about.SE of town is good too. If I were to ever move back to Topeka I would probably look outside of town on the SE. Shawnee Heights is fine.
Or are you talking about out by lake and Croco?
Yeah. I know some people who live out on Berryton rd. It's a nice area.
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 01:27:54 PM
Phone interview I'm 20 minutes and I'm going to kick it straight in the face!eff yeah. Face to face interview Tuesday at 930!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 15, 2017, 01:39:30 PM
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
Post by: halfEmpty on March 15, 2017, 01:56:31 PM
Post by: halfEmpty on March 15, 2017, 01:57:57 PM
congratsPhone interview I'm 20 minutes and I'm going to kick it straight in the face!eff yeah. Face to face interview Tuesday at 930!
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 02:11:52 PM
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 02:12:32 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2017, 03:00:38 PM
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 03:02:21 PM
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 03:03:47 PM
Post by: Spracne on March 15, 2017, 03:04:58 PM
Phone interview I'm 20 minutes and I'm going to kick it straight in the face!eff yeah. Face to face interview Tuesday at 930!
Let them know you've got a chip on your shoulder.
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 03:07:13 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 15, 2017, 04:46:04 PM
Anyone know what the Parker Hannefin plant in MHK does?
rdphff (rick daris parker hannefin fast facts)
1) I played on a parker hannefin mprd baseball team when I was around 8.
2) a friend of mine named matt managed the whole ph place for a few years. he was from ohio and had worked with them there and then moved to mhk to manage the ph here and then got moved back a couple of years ago. still works for them I think.
Do you know if they have any R&D functions there?
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Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 15, 2017, 07:56:32 PM
Hahahahaha yes they are! I'm not a huge chip guy though. I'll have to see what all Frito lay even makes.
Topeka makes cheetos, corn chips, functions, and potato chips.
Post by: SdK on March 15, 2017, 08:57:37 PM
eff. I'll just working there til I can find a better job anyway or go back to school. Perhaps in KC.Hahahahaha yes they are! I'm not a huge chip guy though. I'll have to see what all Frito lay even makes.
Topeka makes cheetos, corn chips, functions, and potato chips.
Thanks for dashing hopes early though. :cheers:
Post by: halfEmpty on March 16, 2017, 12:42:24 PM
Or woman. I'm so sexist.
Last I checked I had the appropriate male parts.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 16, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Post by: SdK on March 16, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
Look into UMKC SDK. We have a guest bedroom if you need to check it out.I will this summer. I know they have a great 6 year MD program but my transcripts aren't great. At this point I'm just wanting to get a bachelor's and start working post grad. I have a few options in KC but I'll definitely keep you in mind. Thanks brother. :D
I really want to get out of Topeka. Too many bad memories here.
Post by: The Big Train on March 16, 2017, 08:38:52 PM
Post by: puniraptor on March 16, 2017, 09:05:55 PM
Anyone know what the Parker Hannefin plant in MHK does?
rdphff (rick daris parker hannefin fast facts)
1) I played on a parker hannefin mprd baseball team when I was around 8.
2) a friend of mine named matt managed the whole ph place for a few years. he was from ohio and had worked with them there and then moved to mhk to manage the ph here and then got moved back a couple of years ago. still works for them I think.
Do you know if they have any R&D functions there?
did you just see some random factory on a google earth fantasy tour of mhk and dream of getting a job there?
Post by: SdK on March 16, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
Hope you get that job SdK! You got this bud!Thank you, man!
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Post by: Emo EMAW on March 16, 2017, 11:50:06 PM
Anyone know what the Parker Hannefin plant in MHK does?
rdphff (rick daris parker hannefin fast facts)
1) I played on a parker hannefin mprd baseball team when I was around 8.
2) a friend of mine named matt managed the whole ph place for a few years. he was from ohio and had worked with them there and then moved to mhk to manage the ph here and then got moved back a couple of years ago. still works for them I think.
Do you know if they have any R&D functions there?
did you just see some random factory on a google earth fantasy tour of mhk and dream of getting a job there?
No I saw a job posting and had heard of them before, but they're huge so I wasn't sure what this place did. I wouldn't mind relocating, but it's tough enough to find one good job let alone two.
Post by: puniraptor on March 17, 2017, 01:28:14 AM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 09:23:51 PM
They have a big house in Centennial that'd I'd be able to stay at until I got on my own feet.
So this is a twist and good news.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 09:35:12 PM
Was just offered a job to work for my uncle in the Littleton area. I'd be responsible for sales at a steel building company. I am going to give him a call this week. Frito Lay interview tomorrow.How desperate are you? It's generally a bad idea to work for family. Double bad if you live with them.
They have a big house in Centennial that'd I'd be able to stay at until I got on my own feet.
So this is a twist and good news.
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 10:01:06 PM
While I'd say it's generally a bad idea. I don't think that's the case here.
I was just excited about the ability to wear nice clothes to work everyday, live in Colorado, and have a job that would involve competition.
I'll be talking to him later this week to gain more information. I was a middle man tonight between him and my BIL. BIL's company wants to expand their steel building footprint and my uncle is in that business. At the end of the convo, he said I should work for him.
This was all over text.
Post by: The Big Train on March 20, 2017, 10:16:07 PM
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Post by: pissclams on March 20, 2017, 10:35:18 PM
family owned and operated businesses are everywhere. isn't that what a farm is?
Post by: The Big Train on March 20, 2017, 10:38:14 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 10:40:43 PM
since when was it bad to work for or with family?Family farms are often more partnerships than boss/employee relationships, which is a subtle difference. And the family business relationship can work fine, but if it doesn't, it can easily ruin the personal/family side at the same time.
family owned and operated businesses are everywhere. isn't that what a farm is?
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 10:42:29 PM
rusty is too corporate to work for family anymore so i guess he sees it as bad news which it usually isntI had a really bad family business experience. And it carried over to the personal side, as well.
Post by: The Big Train on March 20, 2017, 10:43:58 PM
rusty is too corporate to work for family anymore so i guess he sees it as bad news which it usually isntI had a really bad family business experience. And it carried over to the personal side, as well.
well thanks for making me look like a bad person dumbass with the exception :frown:
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 10:50:09 PM
With Colorado law the way it is, would that be anything to consider? I know smoking is different, but just something to consider.I can't do the pot. Just not my jam.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 10:52:12 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 10:54:24 PM
I mean I have looked at jobs in CO just because of the mountains and stuff(which I love). It's also expensive as eff depending on where you live. One of my best friends lives in a Denver suburb and it's always tempting to get back to the mountains.Snowboarding. Mountains. Rapids. I was born in Co Springs. Spent a year in Aurora when my parents were separated. My aunt was a chemical engineer for Exxon Mobil but left to be a stay at home mom. They have also offered to pay for my school in the past. They are a very nice family and are very caring and a bit eccentric.
I'll talk to him this week and get the low down. Apparently the money is very good as well.
Either way I'm taking the Frito Lay job.
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 10:54:36 PM
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 10:56:06 PM
Yeah so it can work great but just be prepared for additional potential issues when things end that you won't have to deal with when you leave Frito-LayI don't want to get into all of the specifics of my family dynamic, but I can assure you that won't be an issue.
You're also operating under the assumption that I won't kick ass. :)
Post by: Joker on March 21, 2017, 07:56:12 AM
I spent a few years in the Springs and then moved back to Kansas. Miss it like crazy. Reasons to go back include:
- Way more activities/things to do.
- Wake up to amazing scenery every day.
- Better weather (no humid ass sticky hot summers).
Throw in the better job and it would be a no-brainer for me.
Reasons to stay in Kansas and work in a warehouse:
- ???
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 21, 2017, 09:05:50 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 21, 2017, 09:36:04 AM
If you need a fresh start, which it sounds like you've been looking for, could be a great opportunity.
Post by: Joker on March 21, 2017, 11:27:38 AM
I agree with ChiCat on the family living arrangement. If they can hold the job open a little longer for you, I would recommend commencing penny pinching mode and save up as much as you possibly can. Then you'll be well positioned to grab your own pad after getting your feet wet in the new gig.
Exciting stuff though. I had a similar path to a fresh start when I moved to the Springs.
Post by: SdK on March 21, 2017, 11:54:24 AM
Given that it was kind of a spur of the moment offer, I'm not sure that it was about holding a spot for me, more as seeing potential and they will make room for me as necessary.
I lived in Montana for a year and it was great to get off work and head to the mountains. Jump in Hardy creek and just get lost in nature.
They get passes to Aspen, Veil, and A-Basin every year. I have all I need for snowboarding aside from the board as I always rented. So that would be a major plus.
Moving in two months seems awfully sudden and I don't want to make a knee jerk reaction. I nixed the idea of KC in favor of spending a year working on myself and not trying to fix everything with a change of scenery. I've got some thinking to do.
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 21, 2017, 12:10:39 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 21, 2017, 01:45:29 PM
Anyone looking for a licensed Mechanical Engineer (HVAC background but would consider doing MEP pre-con for the construction side as well)?? I may be in the market for a change of scenery soon...Can you pull/fill teeth with that type of degree? Trying to get these new practices to launch in Northwest, Indiana. TIA.
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Post by: michigancat on March 21, 2017, 05:56:55 PM
getting out of your cycle is a good step toward breaking it. by staying you are not changing any variables in an equation which the outcome has been repeatedly resolved.Good point. However. The uncle owns two corvettes.
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 21, 2017, 06:00:18 PM
Post by: Spracne on March 21, 2017, 06:07:01 PM
If you're not happy without two Corvettes, you won't be happy with them.
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Post by: puniraptor on March 21, 2017, 06:41:09 PM
Post by: ShellShock on March 22, 2017, 10:50:13 AM
SS I just met with a buddy and he says they can't hire them fast enough. PM me and I'll send you their way.
PM sent! Thanks bud! :thumbs:
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 22, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
SS I just met with a buddy and he says they can't hire them fast enough. PM me and I'll send you their way.
PM sent! Thanks bud! :thumbs:
Just sent you email.
Post by: hatingfrancisco on March 22, 2017, 03:42:06 PM
If anyone is interested let me know.
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Post by: star seed 7 on March 24, 2017, 03:57:31 PM
End of an era for me. I have zero explanation for anything that happened over the past three and a half years.
You ate that chili didn't you
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2017, 03:58:53 PM
Huh? What happened?
I had this unbelievably crazy job and that is over now.
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2017, 03:59:28 PM
I already know that I don't want to work there. And that they won't fire me. And I don't mind not being completely honest with clients. I just can't determine if I'd be sticking my nose into her scheme or doing something she'd appreciate.
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2017, 04:04:22 PM
UPDATE!!! My coworker/"boss" sent me an email to proceed with the report she wants even after the client specifically requested more! She didn't mention the client email at all. So, I guess it is her intention to be shady and I'll just give her what she's asking for. Whatever.
Post by: Tobias on March 24, 2017, 04:07:54 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2017, 04:09:34 PM
I work with so many crazy people that I never even know where to begin in the co-worker thread.
When I first met the guy who got fired, though, he was standing at his desk chugging water straight out of a gallon sized milk carton. Like, he just held it in one hand like it was a coffee mug. He was basically a body builder. Big muscles. He put the water down on his desk, said "wusup", shook hands, and then went directly back to chugging.
The second time I saw him was on Friday of that week. He was out in back of the building, standing behind this enormous grill loaded with burgers and brats and dancing to whatever music he had on. He was occasionally calling for someone to throw a football to him and then he'd throw it back really high and far. He was wearing shorts and flip-flops and these gigantic sunglass that weren't ski goggles, but the lens in them was like the size of the lens in ski goggles. I later learned that they were several hundred dollars and Italian.
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2017, 04:11:55 PM
He was like 27 and dating an older woman. A woman who is like seventeen years his senior. A woman who also happened to work in our office.
Post by: meow meow on March 24, 2017, 04:12:57 PM
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Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2017, 04:22:16 PM
What ended this magical partnership? Did you finally take the sys challenge?
I finally landed a good job!
Post by: star seed 7 on March 24, 2017, 04:23:00 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
My company once fired someone with cause. That person hired a lawyer. My company opted to let them come back to work rather than fight it. That person has been back at work for like two years.
Post by: SdK on March 24, 2017, 04:26:56 PM
Well I hope you find a less crazy job, friend. Sending good vibes your way.Huh? What happened?
I had this unbelievably crazy job and that is over now.
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2017, 04:29:02 PM
So, yeah just chatting with a dude and he shares with me that he drove twelve rough ridin' hours to New rough ridin' Orleans just to see, GET THIS, Widespread rough ridin' Panic. AAAAND he had never even them or really even heard of them before! He was just like, "Yeah, they were pretty good." WHAT. IN. THE. eff!?
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2017, 04:36:45 PM
Halloween costume day! This may be the nerdiest costume I've ever seen. This guy has a shark's head coming out of the front of his shirt with fake blood and all and he has a toy chainsaw as a prop. Sharknado, right? But GET THIS. He also has, hanging from around his neck, a photo of himself talking to Ian Ziering at a comic book convention in front of a Sharknado backdrop. Haha.
The photo is terrible, too, because he didn't buy the official $100 promo photo, but had someone else take it from a distance on their phone. You can't even see his face in it - just the back of his head.
Post by: Tobias on March 24, 2017, 04:38:51 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 24, 2017, 04:39:10 PM
that one was one of my faves
Post by: meow meow on March 24, 2017, 04:39:23 PM
Halloween costume day! This may be the nerdiest costume I've ever seen. This guy has a shark's head coming out of the front of his shirt with fake blood and all and he has a toy chainsaw as a prop. Sharknado, right? But GET THIS. He also has, hanging from around his neck, a photo of himself talking to Ian Ziering at a comic book convention in front of a Sharknado backdrop. Haha.
The photo is terrible, too, because he didn't buy the official $100 promo photo, but had someone else take it from a distance on their phone. You can't even see his face in it - just the back of his head.
holy crap these are amaze :love:
DO NOT LEAVE THIS PLACE!
wait, can sdk replace you?
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Post by: SdK on March 27, 2017, 07:42:20 PM
He closed off the conversation, as he should, by asking me about how my substance abuse issues are going. I let him know that I would not be moving out to Denver if I did not have a firm grasp on them. He let me know that as long as I am committed to working hard he would be committed to me.
In short, the job would fit very well with my skill set, and it is mine if I want it down the road (this summer or whenever) but I need to make sure that I have a solid grasp on sobriety and good contacts in the Denver area before I go.
This is great news guys and makes SdK very happy. SdK enjoys sobriety very much and looks forward to his future.
Post by: mocat on March 27, 2017, 07:58:36 PM
Halloween costume day! This may be the nerdiest costume I've ever seen. This guy has a shark's head coming out of the front of his shirt with fake blood and all and he has a toy chainsaw as a prop. Sharknado, right? But GET THIS. He also has, hanging from around his neck, a photo of himself talking to Ian Ziering at a comic book convention in front of a Sharknado backdrop. Haha.
The photo is terrible, too, because he didn't buy the official $100 promo photo, but had someone else take it from a distance on their phone. You can't even see his face in it - just the back of his head.
omg
Post by: Institutional Control on March 27, 2017, 09:30:45 PM
I just got off the phone with my uncle. He's going to email some literature as pre training. Then send some leads my way to get my feet wet over the summer. I have the option to work remotely, but I said I'd rather move to Denver and get some more intensive training so that I could have a great chance to succeed and be a greater asset to the company. They are expanding within the next few months and may be looking to open offices in different cities. I told him that we would keep in contact and that I would start saving money for the move.Congrats, SdK. Sounds great.
He closed off the conversation, as he should, by asking me about how my substance abuse issues are going. I let him know that I would not be moving out to Denver if I did not have a firm grasp on them. He let me know that as long as I am committed to working hard he would be committed to me.
In short, the job would fit very well with my skill set, and it is mine if I want it down the road (this summer or whenever) but I need to make sure that I have a solid grasp on sobriety and good contacts in the Denver area before I go.
This is great news guys and makes SdK very happy. SdK enjoys sobriety very much and looks forward to his future.
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Post by: SdK on March 27, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
It's a huge risk for him, not just with me but with any new guy, financially. Time he takes away from his duties to train takes 4k out of his pocket a month.
I enjoy pressure and competition.
Post by: Tobias on March 27, 2017, 09:45:23 PM
be sure to be in a good place sobriety/support wise, as you seem to clearly know, before thinking this will resolve it
Post by: SdK on March 27, 2017, 09:47:04 PM
Post by: SdK on March 27, 2017, 09:55:56 PM
:thumbs:In all honesty, I'd rather be a miserable warehouse worker in Topeka than move to Denver and blow up a relationship and sever some family ties. I'd rather let booze kill me than take advantage of family.
be sure to be in a good place sobriety/support wise, as you seem to clearly know, before thinking this will resolve it
I'll devote my remaining time in Topeka to sobriety and savings. My lease is up the end of May. I'll move into one of Canary's spate bedrooms and pay rent and save. I'll be safe and sober there while networking for business and sobriety. As it is now, I spend most days and nights at Canary's anyway. (He doesn't let me know loose women there though smh).
I'm just glad to know that I have a solid offer for a better life. It rough ridin' sucks to try to subdue yourself into accepting manual labor.
Cheerio my friends. I love you all. Can't wait to be able to post in the hiking thread.
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Post by: chum1 on April 10, 2017, 07:40:09 PM
This is a German girl who seems maybe a tad shy of being fully proficient at speaking English. We introduced ourselves and then she just marched me straight to the VP's office and told me I could sit in there and wait if I wanted. I was like "Maybe I'll go find the bathroom and check out the gym. Or even leave and come back in an hour." She said okay and then turned around and walked off.
So, I went to the store and picked up some $6 reading glasses to leave at work and $10 worth of lottery tickets.
The VP was there when I got back. He said and did a bunch of totally normal stuff for the next several hours. BUT THEN, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to share something with me. I'd learned earlier that he was a wrestling coach and has a son who is a star wrestler. He then told me that he'd taken his son to Nationals as a 14 year old and felt terrible because his son lost immediately. His reaction was to write a letter to his son. The letter is what he wanted to share with me. So, I sat there as he read verbatim this 3/4 page, single spaced, deeply personal letter about winning and losing and trying and getting back up and learning life lessons. As he's reading it, I'm like, "Oh crap. How am I supposed to respond to this? Is my response going to sound phony? What's going on here!?" Luckily, he kept right on talking after reading and the conversation flowed naturally.
Tomorrow, my boss will be in! One of the things I remember about him from my interview is that he started out by saying, "Basically, our crap is all mumped up."
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I also don't yet have a place to sit, which I don't think is a big deal in itself. What's kind of weird about it, though, is that the VP mentioned a couple of seating options and both involved cubicles that do not currently exist. So, there is no plan in place right now and it seems like it will be AT LEAST several days before I have a place to sit.
do you just stand around in the breakroom or work from home or what's the deal here
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 11, 2017, 08:39:44 AM
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Did they just create the job position you are in?
Yeah, they say they're outgrowing the area they currently occupy.
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Midwestmetro or a Salina/Hays/mhk/ Colby type of feel?
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Post by: The Big Train on April 11, 2017, 10:03:10 PM
You got that from a few boxes, a few computer screens, trees, and a parking lot? I'll put $100 down it's west of KC.
I mean I'm just guessing, idk why it has to be some kind of competition. I know with the pattern of behavior that you've had you think I'm just talking out my ass.
How about we put $200 on it?
Post by: The Big Train on April 11, 2017, 10:04:00 PM
Kc is a push, deal?
This
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2017, 10:08:57 PM
You're the one with the new sig line from me. I have no behavior line, just calling things how I see them. Chum is definitely west of KC, but I don't trust groupies on this board. I only bet things I know are certain. That's how you pay for a wedding moon for free!You got that from a few boxes, a few computer screens, trees, and a parking lot? I'll put $100 down it's west of KC.
I mean I'm just guessing, idk why it has to be some kind of competition. I know with the pattern of behavior that you've had you think I'm just talking out my ass.
How about we put $200 on it?
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 11, 2017, 10:09:12 PM
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Post by: sys on April 11, 2017, 10:12:23 PM
He added that he'd go ahead and move into the conference room, too.
what a lovely gesture.
Post by: sys on April 11, 2017, 10:13:04 PM
I thought it was a specific town east of kc that, instead of cinnamon rolls, serves up chili with spaghetti
i hope he hasn't moved. but he is starting a new job.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2017, 10:13:23 PM
:lol: alright you giant pussywanna play poker? :dunno:
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2017, 10:22:42 PM
It's just a friendly wageryeah, but you study this board more than me. I'm up $500 on bets from last year and I don't want to give over easy cash. I would bet tho he's not working in KC.
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Post by: The Big Train on April 11, 2017, 10:31:03 PM
Post by: mocat on April 11, 2017, 10:34:32 PM
wacky definitely has his finger on the pulse of this thing
He is irl closer to chum1 than anyone else, but the green green grass and budding trees screams desert wasteland to ol wackycat
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2017, 10:37:24 PM
Post by: puniraptor on April 11, 2017, 10:38:34 PM
that carpet screams Cincinnati quite clearly.
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 11, 2017, 10:38:39 PM
Post by: kim carnes on April 11, 2017, 10:40:40 PM
Post by: puniraptor on April 11, 2017, 10:41:34 PM
Good stuff u guys
chula vista. hvac sales engineer
Post by: star seed 7 on April 11, 2017, 10:42:24 PM
Post by: kim carnes on April 11, 2017, 10:43:39 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Tell him to take a lap wacky.Clearly this. GTFO out of shitty small Kansas towns guys. Stop trolling ppl with lifes and make something of yourselves. Someday you might see the big picture. 5* hotels are the crap!
Post by: kim carnes on April 11, 2017, 10:46:46 PM
Post by: pissclams on April 11, 2017, 10:54:46 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 11, 2017, 11:21:01 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2017, 11:28:22 PM
i'm a pretty confident guy but if my boss took me to microcenter and blew a few grand on computer crap on my second day, i'd really start worrying about stuff working out at the company.#concerning
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2017, 11:36:03 PM
You're the one with the new sig line from me. I have no behavior line, just calling things how I see them. Chum is definitely west of KC, but I don't trust groupies on this board. I only bet things I know are certain. That's how you pay for a wedding moon for free!You got that from a few boxes, a few computer screens, trees, and a parking lot? I'll put $100 down it's west of KC.
I mean I'm just guessing, idk why it has to be some kind of competition. I know with the pattern of behavior that you've had you think I'm just talking out my ass.
How about we put $200 on it?
A wedding moon? :confused:
Post by: mocat on April 12, 2017, 12:04:06 AM
Post by: puniraptor on April 12, 2017, 12:36:53 AM
A wedding moon? :confused:
its just like a honeymoon EXCEPT FOR ONE CRUCIAL DETAIL
Post by: puniraptor on April 12, 2017, 12:38:15 AM
A wedding moon? :confused:
its just like a honeymoon EXCEPT FOR ONE CRUCIAL DETAIL
wow I googled it and it is actually a thing
I don't know if wacky knows that though
Post by: SdK on April 12, 2017, 12:45:46 AM
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Post by: puniraptor on April 12, 2017, 12:49:24 AM
Post by: SdK on April 12, 2017, 12:57:08 AM
Someone pm me when chum1 reveals his home and office address. The bickering in here saddens me.
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Post by: Spracne on April 12, 2017, 02:48:40 AM
I went back to the records and wacky did indeed have a weddingmoon and probably knows what it is for that reason.
So like, a destination wedding? This is frustrating because I searched "wedding moon" and "weddingmoon" before commenting :buh-bye:
Post by: IPA4Me on April 12, 2017, 05:12:39 AM
Y'all need to pay attention better to the board.
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Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2017, 06:23:28 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2017, 06:31:48 AM
I never knew Chum was in Cincy!
Post by: The Big Train on April 12, 2017, 06:52:04 AM
Learn something new everyday I guess.
Post by: mocat on April 12, 2017, 08:03:33 AM
I never knew Chum was in Cincy!
so true
Post by: steve dave on April 12, 2017, 08:12:14 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on April 12, 2017, 08:24:05 AM
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Post by: puniraptor on April 12, 2017, 08:24:52 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on April 12, 2017, 08:26:11 AM
Post by: puniraptor on April 12, 2017, 08:29:13 AM
Post by: mocat on April 12, 2017, 08:45:35 AM
Post by: 8manpick on April 12, 2017, 08:46:47 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2017, 08:52:13 AM
OT: chum, do you ever look up that abandoned fire station on Zillow and imagine what might have been?
The place I thought about buying? No, that worked out for the best. Would not have been feasible.
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2017, 08:55:02 AM
Very weird about the lack of desk space though.
My boss said yesterday that he wants us to work from home full time. So, I think it's kind of part of a scheme.
Post by: IPA4Me on April 12, 2017, 08:55:40 AM
Sweet. I work from home. It is fantasticVery weird about the lack of desk space though.
My boss said yesterday that he wants us to work from home full time. So, I think it's kind of part of a scheme.
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2017, 08:58:18 AM
Are there conferences in the conference room you won't be invited to? Will you just sit in the corner at your desk working away or will they ask you to leave?
I asked my boss if the finance department would be mad about us taking their room. He said no. We'll see!
Post by: The Big Train on April 12, 2017, 09:10:17 AM
(https://bighugelabs.com/output/motivatorb64ecae8c339579abff082bc555d9f670422d91a.jpg)
:lol:
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2017, 09:22:41 AM
Post by: Tobias on April 12, 2017, 09:24:08 AM
Post by: pissclams on April 12, 2017, 09:27:33 AM
i'm a pretty confident guy but if my boss took me to microcenter and blew a few grand on computer crap on my second day, i'd really start worrying about stuff working out at the company.
what i meant by this is i would be like, oh crap this better be a good fit b/c otherwise they just went and blew a bunch of money on me and this computer crap
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2017, 09:31:55 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 12, 2017, 10:04:06 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2017, 10:06:53 AM
How many employees at your office chum1?
About 50
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2017, 10:12:12 AM
did they talk about working from home when you interviewed?
Nope
Post by: Tobias on April 12, 2017, 10:14:19 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2017, 10:24:44 AM
i'm a pretty confident guy but if my boss took me to microcenter and blew a few grand on computer crap on my second day, i'd really start worrying about stuff working out at the company.
what i meant by this is i would be like, oh crap this better be a good fit b/c otherwise they just went and blew a bunch of money on me and this computer crap
Yeah, he wanted me to pick everything out. So, I was trying to be as frugal as possible.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 12, 2017, 10:26:14 AM
Post by: catastrophe on April 12, 2017, 10:51:38 AM
Post by: mocat on April 12, 2017, 11:05:21 AM
did they talk about working from home when you interviewed?
Nope
what in the name of the flying spaghetti monster
Post by: wetwillie on April 12, 2017, 11:12:57 AM
Post by: SdK on April 12, 2017, 11:14:36 AM
Post by: catastrophe on April 12, 2017, 12:49:49 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 12, 2017, 01:57:39 PM
Sounds like the job is probably a front for a major drug operation. First the test if you could keep personal stuff secret (failed), then the fact that office space and equipment seems like an afterthought to getting someone on the payroll so expenses are more in line with revenue, then telling everyone to stay out of the office (or just chum because he failed #1).
He failed #1 because he told us about the father/son letter? But how would they know that?
Post by: catastrophe on April 12, 2017, 02:18:02 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 12, 2017, 03:02:26 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2017, 03:21:15 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 12, 2017, 06:13:31 PM
The buying of the computer stuff is maybe the most bizarre part of this for me.
yeah that's pretty great
Post by: puniraptor on April 12, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
Post by: DQ12 on April 12, 2017, 06:25:52 PM
Post by: mocat on April 12, 2017, 06:49:15 PM
is this some kind of startup? does cincy have startups?
well it's located out west in the heart of silicon valley, so you tell me smart guy
Post by: sys on April 12, 2017, 07:12:41 PM
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2017, 07:25:13 PM
is this some kind of startup? does cincy have startups?
Not a startup. I did interview with one. It was terrible. Like we weren't speaking the same language. The "our crap is all mumped up" guy was much more my speed.
Cincinnati looks pretty average for startups. http://cin.ci/2bqrquF
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 12, 2017, 08:07:36 PM
if he starts working at home, the humorous stories are done for. :frown:
A colleague of mine once tuned in to a group Skype thing and a salesman was working from home, very clearly in his whitey tighteys, and thought he had turned off his camera.
So...have faith.
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2017, 08:09:13 PM
My boss moved into the conference room, too. The VP comes in for the first time, smiles real big, and says, "I LOVE IT! Wires and computers everwhere!" He approvingly nods his head a few times, turns and walks to the door, and says another "love it" as he's leaving.
My boss plugged speakers into my computer and said, "Alright, dude, you're the DJamer."
Some of the odds and ends I've learned about my boss: He just took his family to Florida. There were five or six kids/friends of kids along and they rented a van. The kids are all his wife's and the youngest is 14. He met his wife two years ago. They took the kids to Florida so they could go to their dad's wedding. Their dad works at Disney as a costume character, makes like $9/hour, and ended up divorced because he liked partying with 20 year-olds too much. He told my boss that he'd take care of the rooms and my boss discovered three days before they left that he only meant that he was making hotel reservations, not paying for them.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 12, 2017, 08:13:38 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 12, 2017, 08:14:42 PM
Post by: Tobias on April 12, 2017, 08:18:52 PM
Post by: sys on April 12, 2017, 08:24:20 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 12, 2017, 09:47:07 PM
Post by: SdK on April 12, 2017, 09:48:12 PM
Post by: SdK on April 12, 2017, 09:48:35 PM
Post by: Joker on April 13, 2017, 08:10:23 AM
Quote
My boss plugged speakers into my computer and said, "Alright, dude, you're the DJamer."
This is pretty awesome. At the same time, that's a lot of pressure.
Post by: Joker on April 13, 2017, 08:23:02 AM
Are you rocking on the network with an out of the box pc with zero IT interaction?
Yeah. Not cool, man.
Post by: steve dave on April 13, 2017, 08:30:55 AM
QuoteMy boss plugged speakers into my computer and said, "Alright, dude, you're the DJamer."
This is pretty awesome. At the same time, that's a lot of pressure.
yeah, the pressure is intense.
Post by: mocat on April 13, 2017, 08:32:38 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 13, 2017, 08:45:49 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 13, 2017, 08:54:05 AM
I forgot my headphones, so I'm thinking about gifting him with Talk of the Townies today.
Post by: pissclams on April 13, 2017, 09:07:32 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 13, 2017, 09:18:12 AM
Post by: Tobias on April 13, 2017, 09:20:18 AM
Post by: Pete on April 13, 2017, 11:22:59 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on April 13, 2017, 04:04:50 PM
Post by: sys on April 13, 2017, 04:39:07 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 13, 2017, 08:52:46 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on April 13, 2017, 09:02:43 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 13, 2017, 09:03:34 PM
Post by: SdK on April 13, 2017, 10:42:47 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 14, 2017, 08:09:44 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 14, 2017, 08:33:32 AM
On day 3, the VP, trying to be hospitable and make a good impreesion on the new guy, told me that they have some unclaimed box seat tickets for a Reds/Cubs game if I'm interested. On day 4, German girl came into the conference room office and announced the same thing. My boss, with zero hesitation, says, "Sure! I'll take them!"
Day 5 recap is better. I'm off. Company holiday. Good Friday!
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 14, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 14, 2017, 08:45:26 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 14, 2017, 08:48:03 AM
I don't want the tickets. It's funny because I'm pretty sure VP had just told German girl to go offer them to me in particular, she didn't make it clear she was talking directly to me, and my boss swooped right in.
yeah, pretty great that he didn't give you an opportunity to accept. You know he's taken them before.
Post by: pissclams on April 14, 2017, 09:00:05 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 14, 2017, 09:13:26 AM
you should have taken the tickets even if you didn't want them. then offered one to him even though you know he couldn't go. it's bonding crap. like when your father in law offers you a pint of his famous home brew that has mold on it and looks and smells like crap, you just take it and force it down.Wow! Do you live in my brain? :love:
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 14, 2017, 09:50:34 AM
you should have taken the tickets even if you didn't want them. then offered one to him even though you know he couldn't go. it's bonding crap. like when your father in law offers you a pint of his famous home brew that has mold on it and looks and smells like crap, you just take it and force it down.Wow! Do you live in my brain? :love:
I am confused by this. Obviously the boss could go because he took the tickets.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 14, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 14, 2017, 10:30:17 AM
Post by: pissclams on April 14, 2017, 10:32:03 AM
you should have taken the tickets even if you didn't want them. then offered one to him even though you know he couldn't go. it's bonding crap. like when your father in law offers you a pint of his famous home brew that has mold on it and looks and smells like crap, you just take it and force it down.Wow! Do you live in my brain? :love:
I am confused by this. Obviously the boss could go because he took the tickets.
the VP boss
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on April 14, 2017, 10:51:22 AM
How many employees at your office chum1?
About 50
and no formalized IT dept. and staff?? :sdeek:
Post by: ben ji on April 15, 2017, 10:37:46 PM
Pro's Con's? It's probably going to happen anyways, just looking for some feedback. Thanks, I'll listen off air.
Post by: catastrophe on April 16, 2017, 08:30:17 AM
Post by: catastrophe on April 16, 2017, 08:30:50 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 16, 2017, 09:27:36 AM
Actually it probably just depends on the type of job.And the type of relationship (both private and at work)
Post by: Pete on April 16, 2017, 10:07:07 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 16, 2017, 10:15:58 AM
I would never do the hire the friend thing if I had to supervise them or manage them in any way. No way jose. And, I'd only get a friend a job if I thought that they were very trustworthy and willing to put forth effort. Just hooking a bro up ain't going to happen...you gotta deserve the shot, IMO.
Yes, this is risky. I'm not sure I would feel comfortable
Post by: IPA4Me on April 16, 2017, 10:26:08 AM
I recommended a friend for a peer position a few years ago. He's kicking ass and running a different division now.
Put another friend's resume on my boss's desk as a courtesy. We reviewed it with some others. Didn't make the cut.
I don't know if I'd do it in a small company though. Not enough separation of duties perhaps.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 16, 2017, 01:27:34 PM
Post by: pissclams on April 16, 2017, 02:53:44 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 16, 2017, 03:59:34 PM
i've hired and supervised friends, nbd
You have elite management style
Post by: ChiComCat on April 17, 2017, 08:56:13 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 17, 2017, 09:03:26 AM
Post by: meow meow on April 17, 2017, 10:29:01 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 17, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
Post by: catastrophe on April 17, 2017, 11:52:04 AM
Working with a buddy as a peer would be fine as long as it's a job where the duties are very segregated.
Post by: meow meow on April 17, 2017, 01:33:29 PM
What a weird story to make up.
i agree
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 17, 2017, 01:36:04 PM
Post by: meow meow on April 17, 2017, 01:45:16 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 17, 2017, 01:47:43 PM
Post by: chum1 on April 20, 2017, 01:42:24 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 20, 2017, 01:44:25 PM
My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
On one hand I want to know what happens. On the other hand I feel like there is a 60% chance you won't live to tell the story.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 20, 2017, 01:44:56 PM
Post by: Joker on April 20, 2017, 01:48:07 PM
My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
This sounds like an excellent way to bust through the afternoon slump. All fired up, guns a blazin.
Post by: mocat on April 20, 2017, 01:51:49 PM
My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
your boss is sleeping with kevin spacey's wife.
Post by: Tobias on April 20, 2017, 01:54:16 PM
My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
does your boss look like this?
(http://i.imgur.com/R6dc9CC.png)
Post by: Tobias on April 20, 2017, 01:57:40 PM
My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
your boss is sleeping with kevin spacey's wife.
ooh, mods make this one my post instead
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 25, 2017, 05:05:01 PM
Post by: SdK on April 25, 2017, 05:11:36 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 25, 2017, 10:36:53 PM
Post by: SdK on April 26, 2017, 06:45:48 AM
Take the rude one aside, and use I statements about her talk of the show being in poor form in your opinion. Don't speak on behalf of the friend that lost someone, they can do that for themselves if they feel they need too.
I don't know if that even made sense.
Here is what i would do. Take rude coworker aside. Hey, I've heard a lot about that show and that it is pretty good. Thanks for the recommendation. However, so and so just lost someone to suicide and perhaps it's best to keep conversations about the show a little more private. If I had (or if I actually have) recently lost someone in that way it'd be painful to hear about at work where I want to focus on my job. I know that was not your intent. I just wanted to share how it made me feel. Thank you.
Unless the coworker that lost someone is close to me, I wouldn't ever mention that I had that chat to them. I did it as a a kindness not for recognition.
Post by: SdK on April 26, 2017, 06:47:05 AM
Post by: SdK on May 04, 2017, 08:04:28 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 04, 2017, 09:13:04 AM
Post by: SdK on May 04, 2017, 09:36:57 AM
They hire everyone as a temp. Then you can bid on jobs but they go by seniority. Asked for a resume and mine showed 2.5 years of warehouse and fork lift experience. So they hired me as a temp to load trailers. But are in desperate need of for lift drivers. It's stupid.
All the employees say they keep cutting wages and benefits.
I didn't know how great I had it at Target. I miss it a lot.
Post by: SdK on May 04, 2017, 09:38:28 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on May 04, 2017, 09:44:14 AM
Me... I make X. Car allowance is X. Standard health and 401K bennies. Three weeks vacation. Ten paid holidays. Work from home.
I need pay to be higher and be flexible on working from home if I'm going to change jobs.
Recruiter... Oh. No worries. Here's the perfect job. Pay is 10% less but a perfect fit. Since you'd be a manager, you'd need to be in the office most days.
Me... Click.
Why would you even bother offering the interview if it doesn't meet my requirements?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 04, 2017, 09:48:17 AM
Post by: 8manpick on May 04, 2017, 11:29:37 AM
Shitty recruiter. Only way you could sell that is if you hated where you were living and you knew going into it you had family in said part of Louisiana.
*Louisville, aka IPA4me's locale
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 04, 2017, 12:30:39 PM
My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.No follow up?! wth
Post by: chum1 on May 04, 2017, 12:35:48 PM
My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.No follow up?! wth
Haven't talked about it since. I'll put together a brief week four update.
Post by: chum1 on May 04, 2017, 01:34:34 PM
When I walk through the office in the mornings, I'm always one of the first people here. Sometimes, I come in at like 7:30. Other times, it's more like 9:00. Doesn't matter. The place will be dead. My boss usually comes in between 10:00 and 10:30.
You might assume that this means a whole bunch of people are working past 5:00. But you would be wrong. Both my boss and the VP have explicitly said to me that they don't care when I work as long as the work gets done. So, it appears that this principle applies to the entire office. Yesterday, I left an hour earlier than normal to go mow my lawn.
There are two main groups of people in the office. The first is very religious, very Christian. Not scary radical zealot types, though. They're hyper positive, love everybody Tim Tebow types. Good things aren't just good things. They're blessings. They meet every Friday at lunchtime to talk about servant leadership. I plan to go tomorrow!
The second main group meets every Friday, too. After work. At a bar just down the road. The bar has happy hour double wells for $2.50. This group likes rum and coke keeps the bartender plenty busy. A few in this group will vape inside the bar. And then they'll go outside to smoke cigarettes along with all of the others who don't also vape. I went to their meeting last week.
Post by: pissclams on May 04, 2017, 01:40:50 PM
Post by: mocat on May 04, 2017, 01:46:18 PM
There are two main groups of people in the office.
Kentucky pod: The first is very religious, very Christian. Not scary radical zealot types, though. They're hyper positive, love everybody Tim Tebow types. Good things aren't just good things. They're blessings. They meet every Friday at lunchtime to talk about servant leadership. I plan to go tomorrow!
Ohio pod: The second main group meets every Friday, too. After work. At a bar just down the road. The bar has happy hour double wells for $2.50. This group likes rum and coke keeps the bartender plenty busy. A few in this group will vape inside the bar. And then they'll go outside to smoke cigarettes along with all of the others who don't also vape. I went to their meeting last week.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 04, 2017, 01:50:35 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on May 05, 2017, 11:53:15 AM
It sure smells like farts from the road
I've had the contract to fix that twice, and it keeps getting cancelled by corporate. :shakesfist:
Post by: SdK on May 05, 2017, 04:19:43 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 05, 2017, 04:24:01 PM
It's kind of sad when I talk to long time employees there tbh. This is their career and how they take care of themselves. I was surprised to hear they had a union at orientation, less surprised when I started to talk to workers.Why is that sad?
Post by: SdK on May 05, 2017, 04:27:06 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 05, 2017, 04:52:55 PM
Post by: SdK on May 05, 2017, 07:22:39 PM
One of the guys said He used to say with pride that he worked at Frito. Now he mumbles it.
Post by: The Big Train on May 05, 2017, 07:29:58 PM
Post by: Canary on May 05, 2017, 07:30:48 PM
well regardless of how you feel about it I'm happy for SdK to have a job again :thumbs:Ditto!
Post by: SdK on May 05, 2017, 08:28:30 PM
well regardless of how you feel about it I'm happy for SdK to have a job again :thumbs:I don't hate it. It's pud work and the pay reflects that. I didn't appreciate target as much as I should have. I thought with my experience I'd be able to bounce right into another fork lift job with close to the 20 an hour i was making. I was wrong.
I'm glad I have a job too. It's very important to me.
Post by: chum1 on May 05, 2017, 08:35:12 PM
They meet every Friday at lunchtime to talk about servant leadership. I plan to go tomorrow!
This thing is led by the owner/CEO, who is a 50ish former D1 basketball player. Things I learned:
We are not competing against each other in this company. We are striving to be as awesome as we can be (aka fulfilling God given potential) as individuals and as a company. We are here to make a positive difference in people's lives.
When we are as awesome as we can be, then we have the biggest impact. When this happens, we'll be KILLING the competition. Just absolutely leaving them in the dust. (I didn't understand why we aren't at all competitive within the company yet are super competitive with other companies, but did not question this.)
There was also a whiteboard diagram that looked like a wagon wheel and had words like 'prayer' and 'forgiveness' written on it. I did not really pay attention during that part.
The CEO also mentioned that he missed using his old nap room since it was moved to another location in the office. A girl offered that she had used the new room to take a nap earlier this week. He replied, "DID YOU!? THAT'S AWESOME!!!"
Post by: mocat on May 05, 2017, 08:42:07 PM
Post by: Tobias on May 05, 2017, 08:49:37 PM
Post by: sys on May 05, 2017, 10:24:49 PM
I didn't understand why we aren't at all competitive within the company yet are super competitive with other companies, but did not question this.
you have probably joined god's chosen company. he likes to choose things. look and see if you can find a covenant in one of the filing cabinets.
i'm glad to hear about your coworker's nap.
Post by: Skipper44 on May 06, 2017, 08:04:31 AM
fellowship of christian insurers?actually, it could be one of those faith based insurance plan places
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 11, 2017, 10:44:30 AM
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Post by: IPA4Me on May 11, 2017, 11:40:42 AM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 11, 2017, 11:46:18 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 11, 2017, 01:45:35 PM
The new job requires that I spend next spring studying at the University of Virginia School of Law. :driving:
That's great man :thumbs:
Post by: The Big Train on May 11, 2017, 03:09:21 PM
Post by: Pete on May 11, 2017, 03:42:27 PM
The new job requires that I spend next spring studying at the University of Virginia School of Law. :driving:
Watch out for the secret societies. You can't swing a dead cat there without hitting one.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 11, 2017, 03:51:13 PM
The new job requires that I spend next spring studying at the University of Virginia School of Law. :driving:
Watch out for the secret societies. You can't swing a dead cat there without hitting one.
That's very interesting because a stoic, matter-of-fact coworker described his experience in Charlottesville as "magical."
Post by: catastrophe on May 11, 2017, 04:04:12 PM
Post by: mocat on May 11, 2017, 04:11:43 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on May 12, 2017, 07:49:51 AM
The new job requires that I spend next spring studying at the University of Virginia School of Law. :driving:well look at 'Hoo
Post by: wELLsculptedbrows on May 12, 2017, 11:56:04 AM
Is this a thing? Seems really weird to me.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 12, 2017, 08:33:06 PM
Post by: SdK on May 18, 2017, 01:41:28 PM
Step 2: Share
Step 3: Be approached by a very nicely dressed woman in her 50s after the meeting.
Step 4: Have a conversation about what she does for a living and what she is looking for.
Step 5: Sell yourself
Step 6: Receive a business card and be told to give them a call.
I'll be calling tomorrow.
Post by: meow meow on May 18, 2017, 01:54:15 PM
Step 1: Go to an AA meeting
Step 2: Share
Step 3: Be approached by a very nicely dressed woman in her 50s after the meeting.
Step 4: Have a conversation about what she does for a living and what she is looking for.
Step 5: Sell yourself
Step 6: Receive a business card and be told to give them a call.
I'll be calling tomorrow.
What was your price?
Post by: SdK on May 18, 2017, 01:56:10 PM
Post by: meow meow on May 18, 2017, 01:59:09 PM
Post by: SdK on May 18, 2017, 02:02:33 PM
Post by: pissclams on May 18, 2017, 02:05:21 PM
Post by: SdK on May 18, 2017, 02:30:52 PM
We shall see!
Post by: pissclams on May 18, 2017, 03:08:38 PM
I thought so. It was quite fortuitous. I think it bodes well that she approached me based upon being well dressed and well spoken.
We shall see!
it wasn't that you were well dressed and spoken, it also shows a certain level of maturity and a lot of hard work to be where you both were. whatever you've both been through will undoubtedly be harder than any work she may offer you and it shows that you potentially are up to the task. she knows these things.
Post by: SdK on May 18, 2017, 03:15:31 PM
I thought so. It was quite fortuitous. I think it bodes well that she approached me based upon being well dressed and well spoken.
We shall see!
it wasn't that you were well dressed and spoken, it also shows a certain level of maturity and a lot of hard work to be where you both were. whatever you've both been through will undoubtedly be harder than any work she may offer you and it shows that you potentially are up to the task. she knows these things.
This is very true and I had not looked at it that way. You are probably right. I'm sure the content of what I had to say in the meeting aided in that sign of maturity as well.
It is also a national company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. I'm fairly excited about the opportunity.
Post by: pissclams on May 18, 2017, 03:39:04 PM
Post by: SdK on May 18, 2017, 03:40:37 PM
yeah, i wasn't trying to discount the fact that you were well dressed/spoken, just adding more to itI didn't take it that way at all. We on that same page, brah.
Post by: puniraptor on May 18, 2017, 06:11:20 PM
I thought so. It was quite fortuitous. I think it bodes well that she approached me based upon being well dressed and well spoken.
We shall see!
it wasn't that you were well dressed and spoken, it also shows a certain level of maturity and a lot of hard work to be where you both were. whatever you've both been through will undoubtedly be harder than any work she may offer you and it shows that you potentially are up to the task. she knows these things.
This is very true and I had not looked at it that way. You are probably right. I'm sure the content of what I had to say in the meeting aided in that sign of maturity as well.
It is also a national company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. I'm fairly excited about the opportunity.
look out wacky, SDK is coming for your dentists! :eye:
Post by: SdK on May 18, 2017, 07:08:30 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on May 19, 2017, 09:10:57 AM
I applied for a job (which didn't involve studying law at UVA) and they had me take a roughly hour-long standardized test (complete with algebra and analogies) and a personality profile thing before the initial interview.
Is this a thing? Seems really weird to me.
yes, my recent job dalliance involved about 6 hours of online testing and full psych phone convo
Post by: SdK on May 19, 2017, 09:17:28 AM
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Post by: SdK on May 22, 2017, 04:20:11 PM
Post by: Tobias on May 22, 2017, 04:21:25 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 22, 2017, 04:25:21 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on May 22, 2017, 04:32:10 PM
Possibly a position in Topeka before too long. Was hoping to be moving to KC and working in Topeka. Decisions.
what line of business?
Post by: SdK on May 22, 2017, 04:32:36 PM
any particular reason for kc?I'm done with Topeka. Nothing for me in mhk.
Post by: SdK on May 22, 2017, 04:33:14 PM
oh man.. sdk is going to be wacky2.0.. make sure you have a fun account reserve built up sdkHahaha I'm single. Don't have to worry about such things. Though I already have 4 bank accounts.
Post by: SdK on May 22, 2017, 04:33:52 PM
Sales. I don't want to really say more.Possibly a position in Topeka before too long. Was hoping to be moving to KC and working in Topeka. Decisions.
what line of business?
Post by: meow meow on May 22, 2017, 04:38:22 PM
Post by: SdK on May 22, 2017, 05:02:19 PM
it's not prostitution is it?I'd rather not say...
Post by: wetwillie on May 22, 2017, 05:43:35 PM
it's not prostitution is it?
That falls under customer service
Post by: SdK on May 22, 2017, 06:16:12 PM
True. No it is not prostitution.it's not prostitution is it?
That falls under customer service
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 22, 2017, 08:04:33 PM
Post by: SdK on May 22, 2017, 08:08:12 PM
Post by: The Big Train on May 22, 2017, 08:12:58 PM
Post by: SdK on May 23, 2017, 10:35:41 AM
Big grain loan has a great potential employee.Huh?
Oh and I don't want to say anymore about the company because of how I started this all off on here. Anonymity and whatnot.
Post by: The Big Train on May 23, 2017, 11:24:05 AM
Big grain loan has a great potential employee.Huh?
Oh and I don't want to say anymore about the company because of how I started this all off on here. Anonymity and whatnot.
I was just making a joke.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_banking
Post by: SdK on May 23, 2017, 11:29:04 AM
Post by: SdK on May 24, 2017, 09:54:54 AM
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My name is SdK, and I am writing this letter in pursuit of a ----------- position with your company. I have work experience in many areas, and am now pursuing work in the sales industry. I am at a position in life where I am ready to settle into a career in which I am able to contribute my skills and abilities, while looking forward to advancement along the way.
I began working at age fifteen. I have experience in food service, sales, construction, and warehouse. While these are all very different industries, many of the personal skills required are similar. I am hard-working and pay close attention to detail. I make sure that my work reflects the expectations of my supervisor and the company. I have met work completion quotas, and have always been able to, at the very least, keep up with my coworkers. I am not afraid to do my share, and I do it diligently. I am always motivated to work well, make my mark, and meet expectations
I am a person who knows myself well; the limitations and the gifts that I possess. I want to be a part of an organization where my skills will be put to use, I will be challenged to improve myself, and my contributions will be necessary and appreciated. I am an honest person, with myself and others. I expect a lot of myself, and can be my own biggest critic. I do, however, seek out feedback on my performance in an effort to improve. That being said, I believe I can bring some very positive characteristics to the organization. I am very accepting of others, their personalities and their situations. I work to find common ground with them, and fully engage in the conversation and discussion. I am intelligent, outgoing, and respectful. I have always been able to work well with the others on the job team, and I can follow or lead, depending on what is necessary.
I appreciate any consideration you would make towards my application. If I can give any further information or provide a reference for you please let me know. I look forward to hearing from you.
Given that I don't have much experience in the field, I think it works. If anyone has any advice on its content and advice moving forward, id love to get feedback. I've already submitted that one, but I feel I'll probably have to do another one later in life. Also will probably want resume help next time as well.
I mainly made this post because I am thankful for the wording and phrasing that Canary helped me create.
Post by: SdK on May 24, 2017, 09:59:06 AM
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Thank you so much. I really appreciated meeting with you the other day. I will let HR know you have applied. I hope it works out as I think you would have a bright future with us.
Fingers crossed!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 24, 2017, 10:07:00 AM
Post by: Spracne on May 24, 2017, 08:05:57 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 24, 2017, 08:16:00 PM
Post by: Spracne on May 24, 2017, 08:18:50 PM
For which you're applying.
And I suppose you think it's not "proper grammar" to begin a sentence with a conjunction? :ROFL:
Post by: SdK on May 24, 2017, 08:20:58 PM
Post by: Spracne on May 24, 2017, 08:24:53 PM
Thanks for the advice. What specifically is wrong with the grammar?
Comma usage. Some shouldn't be there; some should be added. Also, the semicolon is used incorrectly (unlike the previous sentence). And you were inconsistent with your use of the Oxford Comma--either use it, or don't.
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Post by: Spracne on May 24, 2017, 08:59:28 PM
Wgaf about an Oxford comma
Well, well, well... Looks like a-punk just showed up itt.
Post by: Pete on May 24, 2017, 09:37:33 PM
I thought so. It was quite fortuitous. I think it bodes well that she approached me based upon being well dressed and well spoken.
We shall see!
it wasn't that you were well dressed and spoken, it also shows a certain level of maturity and a lot of hard work to be where you both were. whatever you've both been through will undoubtedly be harder than any work she may offer you and it shows that you potentially are up to the task. she knows these things.
Yep. Well put, clams.
Post by: mocat on May 25, 2017, 08:05:38 AM
Wgaf about an Oxford comma
:love:
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 25, 2017, 08:11:27 AM
the Oxford Comma--eitheruse it,or don't.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2017, 09:23:00 AM
the Oxford Comma--eitheruse it,or don't.
yes
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2017, 09:25:19 AM
Thanks for the advice. What specifically is wrong with the grammar?
Oxford Comma--either use it, or don't.
Don't use a comma there.
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2017, 09:31:52 AM
Also:Wrong. (You) either use it, or (you) don't.Thanks for the advice. What specifically is wrong with the grammar?
Oxford Comma--either use it, or don't.
Don't use a comma there.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2017, 09:38:29 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Also:Wrong. (You) either use it, or (you) don't.Thanks for the advice. What specifically is wrong with the grammar?
Oxford Comma--either use it, or don't.
Don't use a comma there.
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You don't use commas with correlative conjunctions.
Post by: DQ12 on May 25, 2017, 10:02:17 AM
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2017, 10:11:24 AM
I would think you would if you have two independent clausesThis. To be fair, you could use a comma or not, and it would be perfectly fine either way. If you use a comma, then you're repeating the implied imperative subject (you).
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Post by: pissclams on May 25, 2017, 10:18:08 AM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=5726.0
Post by: star seed 7 on May 25, 2017, 10:34:25 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on May 25, 2017, 10:38:05 AM
Post by: mocat on May 25, 2017, 10:48:50 AM
For which you're applying.
And I suppose you think it's not "proper grammar" to begin a sentence with a conjunction? :ROFL:
how do you feel about using a colon immediately following a verb? that one is irritating
Post by: Tobias on May 25, 2017, 10:53:58 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on May 25, 2017, 10:54:14 AM
3 of the most successful ppl I know have worse grammar than I do, so you all can get mumped!
imagine how much farther they could've gotten
Post by: star seed 7 on May 25, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
i just put in a comma or period wherever i would pause when speaking and call it a day. the only thing that can go wrong is dumbasses not reading it in my voice
This is the standard that writing should have, grammar is for anal nerds
Post by: SdK on May 25, 2017, 10:59:25 AM
Post by: DQ12 on May 25, 2017, 11:08:46 AM
further*3 of the most successful ppl I know have worse grammar than I do, so you all can get mumped!
imagine how much farther they could've gotten
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2017, 11:17:43 AM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37461.msg1541934#msg1541934
Post by: mocat on May 25, 2017, 11:20:17 AM
i just put in a comma or period wherever i would pause when speaking and call it a day. the only thing that can go wrong is dumbasses not reading it in my voice
this is my method also.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on May 25, 2017, 11:21:06 AM
further*3 of the most successful ppl I know have worse grammar than I do, so you all can get mumped!
imagine how much farther they could've gotten
see what i mean
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2017, 07:04:02 PM
For which you're applying.
And I suppose you think it's not "proper grammar" to begin a sentence with a conjunction? :ROFL:
how do you feel about using a colon immediately following a verb? that one is irritating
Big fan. I usually use it after saying something along the lines of "I have to crap."
Post by: The Big Train on May 25, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 26, 2017, 01:16:32 PM
Is there anything better than giving your two week notice and being told you can leave now with your two weeks pay? The answer is no. I should have given a months notice.
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Um, you just said there is nothing better and then immediately listed something that would have been better. :dunno:
Post by: star seed 7 on May 26, 2017, 01:34:04 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on May 26, 2017, 01:48:39 PM
Good point.Is there anything better than giving your two week notice and being told you can leave now with your two weeks pay? The answer is no. I should have given a months notice.
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Um, you just said there is nothing better and then immediately listed something that would have been better. :dunno:
I'm not sure if they would have paid me for a month.
Post by: wetwillie on May 26, 2017, 02:14:54 PM
Is there anything better than giving your two week notice and being told you can leave now with your two weeks pay? The answer is no. I should have given a months notice.
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Nice work I expect to see your BBS efforts doubled and re doubled this next week.
Post by: chum1 on May 26, 2017, 02:46:41 PM
So, here's the story. His dad was in the CIA. My boss was born in Italy and lived all over Europe and Africa as a boy. His parents got divorced when he was a teenager and he moved to the U.S. for the first time with his mom. He said his mom gave him his birth certificate after he turned 18 and, being bad about losing things, he'd lost track of it before he even got back to his house.
The first time he attempted to replace it was only a few years ago. He learned that, in the interim, the hospital he was born in had flooded, the old embassy had burned to the ground, and all records of his birth were lost. He called the State Department about it and they informed him that he could get a new birth certificate made if he and a parent came to Washington DC and paid a $2500 fee. But by that time, both of his parents were dead.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 26, 2017, 02:49:55 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on May 26, 2017, 02:52:47 PM
Well, I've got a huge list of things to do to get our house on the market.Is there anything better than giving your two week notice and being told you can leave now with your two weeks pay? The answer is no. I should have given a months notice.
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Nice work I expect to see your BBS efforts doubled and re doubled this next week.
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Post by: wetwillie on May 26, 2017, 03:23:32 PM
Well, I've got a huge list of things to do to get our house on the market.Is there anything better than giving your two week notice and being told you can leave now with your two weeks pay? The answer is no. I should have given a months notice.
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Nice work I expect to see your BBS efforts doubled and re doubled this next week.
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You could have a dead hooker in the living room with a massive blood stain on the carpet and sell your house 10k above asking in the Dallas housing market right now.
Post by: Institutional Control on May 26, 2017, 04:23:13 PM
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Post by: IPA4Me on June 01, 2017, 08:24:43 AM
Working at a golf course this summer getting paid 9 bucks an hour, free golf, free pool. Pretty great imoGolf course work is pretty cool. Free golf is always a huge benny.
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Post by: SdK on June 01, 2017, 09:12:50 AM
Post by: ben ji on June 01, 2017, 10:37:40 AM
Working at a golf course this summer getting paid 9 bucks an hour, free golf, free pool. Pretty great imoGolf course work is pretty cool. Free golf is always a huge benny.
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Pro tip. DO NOT BECOME A CADDY.
ESPECIALLY DO NOT BECOME A CADDY IF YOUR AN IMPRESSIONABLE TEENAGER WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT GOLF BUT REALLY LOVE THE MOVIE CADDYSHACK AND THINK, "WOW, THIS WOULD BE REALLY FUN".
Post by: GregKSU1027 on June 01, 2017, 10:42:03 AM
Country Club, Gregg? Or are you back home for the summer?Back home for the summer
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Post by: GregKSU1027 on June 01, 2017, 10:42:43 AM
Not a caddie they don't have those here. I'm an outside maintenance personWorking at a golf course this summer getting paid 9 bucks an hour, free golf, free pool. Pretty great imoGolf course work is pretty cool. Free golf is always a huge benny.
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Pro tip. DO NOT BECOME A CADDY.
ESPECIALLY DO NOT BECOME A CADDY IF YOUR AN IMPRESSIONABLE TEENAGER WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT GOLF BUT REALLY LOVE THE MOVIE CADDYSHACK AND THINK, "WOW, THIS WOULD BE REALLY FUN".
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Post by: SdK on June 01, 2017, 10:42:45 AM
Damn haha. I play the Manhattan CC from time to time.Country Club, Gregg? Or are you back home for the summer?Back home for the summer
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 01, 2017, 02:15:36 PM
My boss was looking for something yesterday, mentioned that he's real bad about losing things, and added that that's why he can't prove that he's a U.S. citizen.
So, here's the story. His dad was in the CIA. My boss was born in Italy and lived all over Europe and Africa as a boy. His parents got divorced when he was a teenager and he moved to the U.S. for the first time with his mom. He said his mom gave him his birth certificate after he turned 18 and, being bad about losing things, he'd lost track of it before he even got back to his house.
The first time he attempted to replace it was only a few years ago. He learned that, in the interim, the hospital he was born in had flooded, the old embassy had burned to the ground, and all records of his birth were lost. He called the State Department about it and they informed him that he could get a new birth certificate made if he and a parent came to Washington DC and paid a $2500 fee. But by that time, both of his parents were dead.
There is like a 90+% chance your boss is a compulsive liar.
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Post by: chum1 on June 01, 2017, 02:33:52 PM
My boss was looking for something yesterday, mentioned that he's real bad about losing things, and added that that's why he can't prove that he's a U.S. citizen.
So, here's the story. His dad was in the CIA. My boss was born in Italy and lived all over Europe and Africa as a boy. His parents got divorced when he was a teenager and he moved to the U.S. for the first time with his mom. He said his mom gave him his birth certificate after he turned 18 and, being bad about losing things, he'd lost track of it before he even got back to his house.
The first time he attempted to replace it was only a few years ago. He learned that, in the interim, the hospital he was born in had flooded, the old embassy had burned to the ground, and all records of his birth were lost. He called the State Department about it and they informed him that he could get a new birth certificate made if he and a parent came to Washington DC and paid a $2500 fee. But by that time, both of his parents were dead.
There is like a 90+% chance your boss is a compulsive liar.
Not compulsive. That's the only story like that he's told. Plus, outside of occasional human error, he's like never wrong about anything. Like, he's very smart, knows the difference between what he knows and what he doesn't, and doesn't bullshit. I'd be willing to bet that the story is true.
Post by: Skipper44 on June 02, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
That story would make a good set up for Bourne type mystery movie - I can see the montage of the hospital flooding and the embassy burning as I type this
Post by: Institutional Control on June 07, 2017, 09:13:56 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on June 07, 2017, 09:15:03 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 07, 2017, 09:15:53 PM
Get ripped or something.
Go volunteer.
Help someone do something.
Visit a library.
Post by: Gooch on June 08, 2017, 12:05:37 PM
(http://dudespaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/uli-pool.jpg)
Post by: chum1 on June 13, 2017, 01:20:45 PM
(http://www.rwink.com/robwinkmontana/images/sunrise2.jpg)
Post by: star seed 7 on June 13, 2017, 01:28:27 PM
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Post by: mocat on June 13, 2017, 01:34:54 PM
Post by: chum1 on June 13, 2017, 01:41:29 PM
these people are Mormons, huh?
Or maybe even an actual cult.
Post by: SdK on June 13, 2017, 05:17:41 PM
these people are Mormons, huh?Hutterites
Post by: SdK on July 20, 2017, 03:30:49 PM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on July 20, 2017, 03:48:46 PM
Start my new job tomorrow! Half day of orientation! I get my own desk and computer! I won't be a cubiclista, though! I will be in a glass bubble, however! I will be working with the public in a nationwide capacity! My strong suit, shirt and tie!!!! (pants optional)!!!!! :gocho:
this the 12 step lead?
Post by: SdK on July 20, 2017, 04:05:48 PM
This job I'm starting is not a sales job.
The woman I dated isn't in the program. I wouldn't date inside the rooms.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 20, 2017, 04:18:39 PM
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Post by: Shooter Jones on August 23, 2017, 03:17:16 PM
you're welcome, sdk.
Post by: SdK on August 23, 2017, 03:39:18 PM
Post by: chum1 on August 23, 2017, 03:56:05 PM
I kept wondering if the ex was arrested for drugs or what. Finally, my curiosity got the best of me and I got his name via facebook and then googled it. It turns out he was chatting with someone online who he thought was a 15 year-old girl, drove two hours to have sex with her, and was arrested To Catch a Predator style when he arrived.
The end.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 23, 2017, 04:04:32 PM
Post by: chum1 on August 23, 2017, 04:39:10 PM
This this happen before or after the break up?
Almost positive after. And I'm really hoping that the arrest didn't cause the breakup and what she then found out about on vacation was something WORSE.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2017, 08:29:41 PM
I've had a job for 5 weeks, guys! :billdance:Nice work. Also, change your LinkedIn profile pic to something more professional. My work pays for premium for us, so I know when someone views my profile.
Post by: SdK on August 23, 2017, 08:34:49 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2017, 08:58:02 PM
Post by: SdK on August 23, 2017, 09:01:11 PM
:thumbs: I live on that site. Good things can come from it.I spend a fair amount of time on there actually myself. Got my first connection today with someone I had been working on an estimate for.
Was able to take a 60k sale to 120k and a new link in my network.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 23, 2017, 09:06:39 PM
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Post by: SdK on September 15, 2017, 04:28:19 PM
:D :D :D :D
Post by: Tobias on September 15, 2017, 06:38:08 PM
Post by: SdK on September 15, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
I countered their initial offer and they accepted my counter. Which means I didn't counter high enough but oh well.
100% of insurance premiums covered.
Assorted other incentives and bonuses.
Flexible work hours and freedom to work from home some days. It's a relaxed environment in a small company. I'll be working directly under the owner and he's very accessible but also very hands off.
I'm excited about the new opportunity. The potential for growth and travel. The challenges it will provide. Also the fact that a lot of my strengths will be put to use. Most of all, I am appreciated and respected.
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Post by: SdK on September 15, 2017, 11:23:55 PM
Congratulations SdK!Thank you, sir.
So I was the first to congrats, I'm also here to say, because it's a salary position, don't let them take advantage.
If you're as valued as you think, don't let it become more than the job. I'm hourly which allows me to flex hours. I'm sure you have it under control SdK, but just want you to be aware.I thank you for the advice. I will watch for that. I had a much longer reply written that I just deleted. Suffice to say, my happiness is my highest priority. I will make professional decisions as such.
Post by: SdK on September 15, 2017, 11:26:10 PM
Post by: The Big Train on September 15, 2017, 11:26:22 PM
Congratulations SdK!Thank you, sir.So I was the first to congrats, I'm also here to say, because it's a salary position, don't let them take advantage.If you're as valued as you think, don't let it become more than the job. I'm hourly which allows me to flex hours. I'm sure you have it under control SdK, but just want you to be aware.I thank you for the advice. I will watch for that. I had a much longer reply written that I just deleted. Suffice to say, my happiness is my highest priority. I will make professional decisions as such.
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Post by: nicname on September 18, 2017, 02:22:11 AM
Post by: pvegs on September 18, 2017, 05:13:40 AM
3) prolly selling tulips at pike place market on saturday mornings
4) prolly gillnetting in puget sound oct/november, bc i hate my life and am an inveterate fisherman who hates my body
Post by: SdK on September 18, 2017, 06:53:25 AM
I no longer have one.:frown:
Post by: SdK on September 18, 2017, 06:54:22 AM
Retired? Come into a lot of money?
Post by: chum1 on November 20, 2017, 07:38:31 AM
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As a follow up to [redacted]’s conversation with everyone on Friday regarding our new whole life insurance product, we will be reaching out to each of you to schedule 30 minutes to explain exactly how the new product will work for you personally and what the cost will be for you and your family. Thank you!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 30, 2017, 02:01:55 PM
:sdeek:
Post by: Spracne on November 30, 2017, 04:10:05 PM
Holy mother of god. I have a "client" that was cleared to go with us, but needed to drive up to the Canadian border to get her Visa stamped from Indiana to proceed. Turns out our lawyers forgot to put the address down on the contract and now she's driving back because they turned her down. Doesn't want to stop for us to send her a new one. She's just going to drive back there tomorrow.
:sdeek:
I don't understand any of this, but I especially don't understand the bolded.
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2017, 04:15:01 PM
Holy mother of god. I have a "client" that was cleared to go with us, but needed to drive up to the Canadian border to get her Visa stamped from Indiana to proceed. Turns out our lawyers forgot to put the address down on the contract and now she's driving back because they turned her down. Doesn't want to stop for us to send her a new one. She's just going to drive back there tomorrow.
:sdeek:
I don't understand any of this, but I especially don't understand the bolded.
my guess is he meant to type India instead of Indiana but it's still pretty confusing
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 30, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
This work visa candidate is from Canada.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 30, 2017, 04:21:15 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 30, 2017, 04:21:46 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 30, 2017, 04:23:08 PM
When you have a Work Visa, you have to have your new contract stamped at the border for proof of your new job. Unfortunately, whatever the contract the lawyers put together wasn't enough and said candidate was just going to turn around and come back tomorrow. I finally stopped them in South Mich and put them up in a hotel for the night and fedex the new legal document they'd need. Been a crazy day.Which don't get me started on this either. They drove 2 hours north past Detroit to another border. :confused:
This work visa candidate is from Canada.
Post by: mocat on November 30, 2017, 04:23:39 PM
Damn, mocat deleted his idiotic post. :frown:
it sounds like you stopped them like 45 minutes from the border wacks, but then again i don't have a geography minor
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 30, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
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Post by: chum1 on November 30, 2017, 04:37:36 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 30, 2017, 04:39:05 PM
Post by: puniraptor on November 30, 2017, 04:40:34 PM
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 30, 2017, 05:08:26 PM
So, last week, we had a company wide meeting regarding open enrollment. Going in, we'd been told that the owner/CEO of the company was going to give us some info on a second voluntary life insurance product available starting in 2018. Once we were in there, I started realizing that it sounded more like a sales pitch and that the owner/CEO must be getting some sales commission. THEN, I get this in my email this morning:what in the world lol? is your boss selling aflac on the side?QuoteAs a follow up to [redacted]’s conversation with everyone on Friday regarding our new whole life insurance product, we will be reaching out to each of you to schedule 30 minutes to explain exactly how the new product will work for you personally and what the cost will be for you and your family. Thank you!
Post by: cfbandyman on November 30, 2017, 05:22:35 PM
I will say this, Drumpf has mumped a lot of this type of stuff up in the last year. It's 10X harder.
Indeed, my gf got here visa renewal rejected today for insufficient evidence, whatever tf that means (haven't read the letter yet). We're hoping to get some of this sorted out tomorrow. She's been here for 4 years for fucks sake.
She's been applying to get it renewed since January, and everything was fine until you can guess what day. Got a lawyer helping her out and everything. The whole thing is stupid.
Post by: 8manpick on November 30, 2017, 05:26:06 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 30, 2017, 05:59:50 PM
Also, found out why they went to the other border location. I guess it takes 3X as long in Detroit to be seen vs this other border. Makes sense.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 30, 2017, 06:50:06 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 30, 2017, 07:23:24 PM
So, last week, we had a company wide meeting regarding open enrollment. Going in, we'd been told that the owner/CEO of the company was going to give us some info on a second voluntary life insurance product available starting in 2018. Once we were in there, I started realizing that it sounded more like a sales pitch and that the owner/CEO must be getting some sales commission. THEN, I get this in my email this morning:what in the world lol? is your boss selling aflac on the side?QuoteAs a follow up to [redacted]’s conversation with everyone on Friday regarding our new whole life insurance product, we will be reaching out to each of you to schedule 30 minutes to explain exactly how the new product will work for you personally and what the cost will be for you and your family. Thank you!
This reminded me that I haven't heard a good update on chum's job and didn't know where to go to find one. Is it this thread?
Post by: chum1 on November 30, 2017, 07:28:44 PM
This reminded me that I haven't heard a good update on chum's job and didn't know where to go to find one. Is it this thread?
The last good update was the Charlie Sheen door. That may have been in the hilarious things at the office thread.
Post by: steve dave on November 30, 2017, 07:30:47 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 30, 2017, 08:00:18 PM
My job is so insanely cushy that part of the reason I want to work from home is to see if I can pull off working another job remote. Full time, part time, permanent, contract, whatever. I figure, even if I only last a couple of months, that'll be a shitload of extra money to have without much difficulty.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 30, 2017, 08:09:01 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 30, 2017, 08:28:24 PM
I've been at my job for over six months now. I'm feeling totally comfortable with everything, so I figured it's time to do some scheming to start working from home part time. For Phase I of my plan, I told my boss that I'm setting up a workstation at my house for those winter days when kids are home sick from school or the weather is bad. He was like, "Aww, yeah, dude. I'm all about working from home." (He does himself a fair amount.) "What do you need? Docking station, monitors? I'll get those ordered." Apparently, there is neither a need for me to go to the store this time nor for any additional phases to my plan.I roll something like that. Consulting work a few times a month for some nice extra coin.
My job is so insanely cushy that part of the reason I want to work from home is to see if I can pull off working another job remote. Full time, part time, permanent, contract, whatever. I figure, even if I only last a couple of months, that'll be a shitload of extra money to have without much difficulty.
Post by: nicname on December 01, 2017, 04:42:19 AM
I no longer have one.:frown:
Never saw this reply. I went full-time gambool. It's been great so far. Super-stressful sometimes but usually a breeze.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 01, 2017, 08:29:22 AM
Post by: chum1 on December 01, 2017, 08:46:24 AM
So, last week, we had a company wide meeting regarding open enrollment. Going in, we'd been told that the owner/CEO of the company was going to give us some info on a second voluntary life insurance product available starting in 2018. Once we were in there, I started realizing that it sounded more like a sales pitch and that the owner/CEO must be getting some sales commission. THEN, I get this in my email this morning:what in the world lol? is your boss selling aflac on the side?QuoteAs a follow up to [redacted]’s conversation with everyone on Friday regarding our new whole life insurance product, we will be reaching out to each of you to schedule 30 minutes to explain exactly how the new product will work for you personally and what the cost will be for you and your family. Thank you!
Certainly seems that way. Like, if he was just doing a favor or quid pro quo for a friend or whatever, wouldn't the friend be the one doing the selling? Here is the follow up:
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Thank you for those of you that participated in the open enrollment meeting last Friday. I appreciated the opportunity to share with you a little bit about the new product we will be offering through Mass Mutual this year. I would like to invite you to set up a time to meet with me one on one and learn a little bit more about the product and its potential value for you and your family. Please reach out to myself or [redacted] via email and I will look forward to sitting down and discussing the details of the offering. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 01, 2017, 08:53:47 AM
So, last week, we had a company wide meeting regarding open enrollment. Going in, we'd been told that the owner/CEO of the company was going to give us some info on a second voluntary life insurance product available starting in 2018. Once we were in there, I started realizing that it sounded more like a sales pitch and that the owner/CEO must be getting some sales commission. THEN, I get this in my email this morning:what in the world lol? is your boss selling aflac on the side?QuoteAs a follow up to [redacted]’s conversation with everyone on Friday regarding our new whole life insurance product, we will be reaching out to each of you to schedule 30 minutes to explain exactly how the new product will work for you personally and what the cost will be for you and your family. Thank you!
Certainly seems that way. Like, if he was just doing a favor or quid pro quo for a friend or whatever, wouldn't the friend be the one doing the selling? Here is the follow up:QuoteThank you for those of you that participated in the open enrollment meeting last Friday. I appreciated the opportunity to share with you a little bit about the new product we will be offering through Mass Mutual this year. I would like to invite you to set up a time to meet with me one on one and learn a little bit more about the product and its potential value for you and your family. Please reach out to myself or [redacted] via email and I will look forward to sitting down and discussing the details of the offering. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
bet when he's "working from home" he's really enrolling at other companies.
Post by: The Big Train on December 02, 2017, 12:09:15 AM
:Chirp:
So are you gonna be making decisions instead of just estimating what decisions could be made?
Post by: catastrophe on December 02, 2017, 07:02:28 AM
I will say this, Drumpf has mumped a lot of this type of stuff up in the last year. It's 10X harder.
Indeed, my gf got here visa renewal rejected today for insufficient evidence, whatever tf that means (haven't read the letter yet). We're hoping to get some of this sorted out tomorrow. She's been here for 4 years for fucks sake.
She's been applying to get it renewed since January, and everything was fine until you can guess what day. Got a lawyer helping her out and everything. The whole thing is stupid.
Sounds like someone is turning up the pressure for a proposal.
Post by: wetwillie on December 02, 2017, 07:05:07 AM
I will say this, Drumpf has mumped a lot of this type of stuff up in the last year. It's 10X harder.
Indeed, my gf got here visa renewal rejected today for insufficient evidence, whatever tf that means (haven't read the letter yet). We're hoping to get some of this sorted out tomorrow. She's been here for 4 years for fucks sake.
She's been applying to get it renewed since January, and everything was fine until you can guess what day. Got a lawyer helping her out and everything. The whole thing is stupid.
Sounds like someone is turning up the pressure for a proposal.
Yea not to derail this thread but cfbandyman should be on high alert.
Post by: cfbandyman on December 04, 2017, 12:28:20 PM
I will say this, Drumpf has mumped a lot of this type of stuff up in the last year. It's 10X harder.
Indeed, my gf got here visa renewal rejected today for insufficient evidence, whatever tf that means (haven't read the letter yet). We're hoping to get some of this sorted out tomorrow. She's been here for 4 years for fucks sake.
She's been applying to get it renewed since January, and everything was fine until you can guess what day. Got a lawyer helping her out and everything. The whole thing is stupid.
Sounds like someone is turning up the pressure for a proposal.
Yea not to derail this thread but cfbandyman should be on high alert.
She's had a rough go already with this sort of stuff, I won't get into details but suffice to say she's been through a marriage already, guy was a POS, she doesn't want to deal with that angle. Trust me I was the one who broached that approach.
Post by: The Big Train on December 06, 2017, 09:14:25 PM
I’m currently evaluating my living situation and wanting to scale up. I have a million ideas for applications and stuff. My issue is I don’t have a dedicated office space to focus. When I leave work and come home, I don’t want to intermingle watching TV with working on projects. Right now i just leave and go to Radinas/Bluestem/Hale/etc.
When I’m at work I am focused all day because that’s my work space. Money calls and eventually I’ll have the opportunity to make exponentially what I make now. In the mean time I have ideas that could be making me money, but have no space at home to be in the proper mindset.
Thoughts?
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 07, 2017, 09:10:56 AM
So you guys who work from home, do you have an “office” that you work from? When I say “office” it could be an extra bedroom or an actual in home office. Somewhere you go that when you walk in that area it’s just for work.
I’m currently evaluating my living situation and wanting to scale up. I have a million ideas for applications and stuff. My issue is I don’t have a dedicated office space to focus. When I leave work and come home, I don’t want to intermingle watching TV with working on projects. Right now i just leave and go to Radinas/Bluestem/Hale/etc.
When I’m at work I am focused all day because that’s my work space. Money calls and eventually I’ll have the opportunity to make exponentially what I make now. In the mean time I have ideas that could be making me money, but have no space at home to be in the proper mindset.
Thoughts?
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Post by: The Big Train on December 07, 2017, 09:19:20 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 07, 2017, 09:29:59 AM
Post by: The Big Train on December 07, 2017, 09:38:14 AM
If you can't trust yourself around a TV, working from home is not for you.
I’ve worked from home before. I don’t now it’s just development ideas that I work on for fun. Like i said it’s more of a mindset, instead of working on stuff sitting on the couch I would like my desk to not be where I sleep or relax.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 07, 2017, 09:39:17 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 07, 2017, 09:41:43 AM
:dubious:both my bros work from home and both have a separate office. one is in the basement and the other has an adjacent room to the living room.
they both like the flexibility but think they don't like having any office mates to chat with.
Post by: Institutional Control on December 07, 2017, 10:27:53 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 07, 2017, 10:38:21 AM
I don't find there is anything on TV during the day that is distracting at all. I'm perfectly capable of getting work done with The People's Court going on in the background.I like the background noise. Parks and rec has me lol'ing while I work from home.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 07, 2017, 10:40:26 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 07, 2017, 11:05:06 AM
Having a separate space definitely helps me with focus. I can crank through projects quite well. If I'm just monitoring email, I'll move to the couch for some ESPN noise and a focus break.
Don't miss co-worker interruptions at all. I get enough of that when I travel to one of the locations I support.
I have co-workers that will dress for the day as they would for a meeting. They claim it gets them in work mode. I'm in stretchy pants and sweatshirt when I'm home.
Post by: chum1 on December 07, 2017, 11:11:48 AM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 07, 2017, 11:19:09 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 07, 2017, 11:21:29 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 07, 2017, 11:22:42 AM
Looking to get into the job market and maybe looking to network with some fellow tech cats. I'm a Computer Science major and currently looking for IT jobs over the summer in either MHK or Wichita. If you know any stud cats that are willing to help an undergrad out pm me! I have been looking and applied for internships one of em I won't hear back from til next week. TIAI don't know how much pull he has, but i'd reach out to @The Big Train
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Post by: The Big Train on December 07, 2017, 12:17:40 PM
Looking to get into the job market and maybe looking to network with some fellow tech cats. I'm a Computer Science major and currently looking for IT jobs over the summer in either MHK or Wichita. If you know any stud cats that are willing to help an undergrad out pm me! I have been looking and applied for internships one of em I won't hear back from til next week. TIAI don't know how much pull he has, but i'd reach out to @The Big Train
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We had 2 internship spots this past summer and one still works for us. I don’t know if we will have another one this summer or not. We usually don’t advertise it until late tho.
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 12:28:45 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 07, 2017, 12:30:10 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 07, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
Who is we? Pm me.Looking to get into the job market and maybe looking to network with some fellow tech cats. I'm a Computer Science major and currently looking for IT jobs over the summer in either MHK or Wichita. If you know any stud cats that are willing to help an undergrad out pm me! I have been looking and applied for internships one of em I won't hear back from til next week. TIAI don't know how much pull he has, but i'd reach out to @The Big Train
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We had 2 internship spots this past summer and one still works for us. I don’t know if we will have another one this summer or not. We usually don’t advertise it until late tho.
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Post by: Gooch on December 07, 2017, 12:53:17 PM
I don't find there is anything on TV during the day that is distracting at all. I'm perfectly capable of getting work done with The People's Court going on in the background.ESPN is good background noise until Highly Questionable comes on then I'm f'd for 30 min.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 07, 2017, 12:54:32 PM
Post by: Trim on December 07, 2017, 01:21:15 PM
Looking to get into the job market and maybe looking to network with some fellow tech cats. I'm a Computer Science major and currently looking for IT jobs over the summer in either MHK or Wichita. If you know any stud cats that are willing to help an undergrad out pm me! I have been looking and applied for internships one of em I won't hear back from til next week. TIA
Are you looking to intern at a computer place or to do computer things at any sort of place?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 07, 2017, 01:40:00 PM
Anything I can get my hands on Trim.Looking to get into the job market and maybe looking to network with some fellow tech cats. I'm a Computer Science major and currently looking for IT jobs over the summer in either MHK or Wichita. If you know any stud cats that are willing to help an undergrad out pm me! I have been looking and applied for internships one of em I won't hear back from til next week. TIA
Are you looking to intern at a computer place or to do computer things at any sort of place?
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Post by: meow meow on December 07, 2017, 01:47:05 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 07, 2017, 05:35:45 PM
but cube farms rule!I don't find there is anything on TV during the day that is distracting at all. I'm perfectly capable of getting work done with The People's Court going on in the background.I like the background noise. Parks and rec has me lol'ing while I work from home.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 08, 2017, 08:41:02 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on December 08, 2017, 12:45:27 PM
Post by: chum1 on December 08, 2017, 12:47:32 PM
Working from home is great because I just get all my crap done in a few hours and can do whatever I want from there.
Pretty novel idea here!
Post by: chum1 on January 05, 2018, 10:30:07 AM
When I came in this morning, I saw an email announcement that two people were fired after I left for the day. In hindsight, my boss's boss was probably dying to talk to someone about what was going on yesterday.
Post by: steve dave on January 05, 2018, 11:00:15 AM
Post by: meow meow on January 05, 2018, 11:26:20 AM
Post by: pissclams on January 05, 2018, 11:56:58 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on January 05, 2018, 12:00:19 PM
Post by: chum1 on June 29, 2018, 09:27:37 PM
This is a German girl who seems maybe a tad shy of being fully proficient at speaking English. We introduced ourselves and then she just marched me straight to the VP's office and told me I could sit in there and wait if I wanted. I was like "Maybe I'll go find the bathroom and check out the gym. Or even leave and come back in an hour." She said okay and then turned around and walked off.
German girl is now my boss. I have to move into a room with her and some other girl. This will probably be a good time to do some more posting to this thread.
Post by: pissclams on June 30, 2018, 01:49:28 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on July 16, 2018, 10:49:29 AM
Post by: wetwillie on July 16, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
Post by: ben ji on July 27, 2018, 06:17:58 PM
Scenario - Took a new job in sales at a start up company 2.5 years ago. I was the 10th employee and now we have 55ish. I really like my job and the people I work with but my base pay and responsibilities have not risen with the company. About a month ago a recruiter reached out to me on Linkedin about a position with a new company/division a major established player in our industry was starting up that does the exact same thing I currently do.
I interviewed and just killed it (Duh, emaw), they asked about my salary requirements and I told them I was competitively compensated and asked what is the range for this position. "Well we are working on that but will have an offer for you shortly".
2 weeks later the offer comes and the base pay is 17% higher than my current job, bonus structure would be about the same. My baseline for leaving was a 25% increase in base pay but I think the opportunity at the new position would be greater. Only issue is I have a couple of Bonus's at my current job that will pay out in the next 3 months and equal the difference in the base pay.
I mentioned that to the new company and told them I could take the current offer but couldn't start until November. If they want me to start sooner I would need an increase in my base pay to 25% of my current level or would need a signing bonus to offset the difference.
They are working on the signing bonus since they want me to start ASAP and I should find out in a couple of weeks.
Other factors to consider
- Benefits are pretty stupid great at my current job(21 days PTO etc), new job would have like half the PTO starting out.
- I would love to stay at my current job but we just had our year end review a couple of weeks ago. I asked for an increase in base pay of exactly what the other company offered me(17%) saying "With my Skills/Experience, in this economy I think I am worth X BECAUSE X, Y, Z." My current company said "Yeah, here is your 2.25% increase in base pay, congrats. If you want to make more money go sell more".
- I just landed some new clients that should easily knock out my sales number for our fiscal year which started in June.
- New company is poised to grow faster than current company as they already have an existing customer base that already utilize the services we would be offering.
- New company would also have many more layers of bureaucracy to wade through as they have like 500 times more employees. (Hence why it takes forever for their HR to make an offer/counter)
- I want to make/save as much money as possible in the next 10+ years until I become the old sales guy and get a severance package and become a teacher/farmer.
Options - I keep going back and forth and would appreciate suggestions on what I believe my options are.
1. Get signing bonus and take new job.
2. Get signing bonus but bring offer from new company to current company to see if they want to counter offer. If they counter with a better offer than I would stay. (Not sure if I would want to do this as 2 weeks ago they told me I was not worth what I would be asking for and I am afraid they would consider me a person "Looking to leave" etc, but at the same time I really like everyone I work with and the direction the current company is going")
3. Don't get signing bonus and see if they can hold job until after I get my bonuses in Sep/Oct. If not stay at current job and be perfectly content and not mention the fact that I even interviewed for the new job.
4. Don't get singing bonus and turn down new job but show current job my offer letter, tell them I turned it down because I believe in them Yada Yada Yada and ask that they increase my base pay so I wouldnt be tempted by other offers.
Thoughts?
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Post by: ben ji on July 27, 2018, 06:49:06 PM
I had a talk about this with @pissclams recently. The competition was trying to pouch me and I wanted to leverage that for a increase in pay at my current job. ‘Clams said if I’m happy with them, don’t ever try to play your current employer like that, because they’ll never trust you again. I turned down that opportunity and my manager somehow found out about the competition contacting me, because it’s a small market in my world. He asked me what he could do to keep me around. I told him I’m very happy and let’s just chat about a promotion, if possible, when my annual comes up in September. Hoping my loyalty pays off.
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Its quite the pickle. As much as I want to shove the new job offer in my Boss's face and say "TOLD YA SO" I also don't want to thought of as the guy that might leave as soon as the next best thing came along so we probably shouldn't promote him.
I'm leaning towards leaving if the money is right but honestly enjoy coming to work everyday and interacting with my fellow employees, but that could just be the beer friday we just had talking....no beer fridays at new company :(
But at the same time I'm here to make as much money as possible before I'm obsolete and have to raise goats in western KS
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Post by: wetwillie on July 27, 2018, 07:01:57 PM
Post by: sys on July 27, 2018, 07:03:22 PM
that's just me. i don't have the mindset to look at negotiation like some sport where you shake hands at the end and say well played, old man. i'd hate them for it, at least a little bit and it's not good to hate your employer. i've been in situs where i hated an employer, at least a little bit, and it just doesn't turn out great.
Post by: ben ji on July 27, 2018, 07:04:32 PM
This may seem like a flippant answer but is 100% sincere. I think you should keep your current job and start a side hustle. It would allow you to stay at a job you like and likely allow you to grow your income quicker for your goal to farm/teach.
But if I do stay should I shove the offer letter in their face to let them know that I am worth more than they are paying me and staying just because I like everyone there and think we are heading in the right directions?!?!?
Post by: halfEmpty on July 27, 2018, 07:05:59 PM
Just always be prepared to be fired on the spot. If you catch someone on a bad day, you never know how they'll react.
Hell, i told my current boss that i was applying for a different job. We have a great relationship though and she knows it would be a big opportunity for me. The only problem is the job is in st louis. :Yuck:
Post by: wetwillie on July 27, 2018, 07:15:05 PM
This may seem like a flippant answer but is 100% sincere. I think you should keep your current job and start a side hustle. It would allow you to stay at a job you like and likely allow you to grow your income quicker for your goal to farm/teach.
But if I do stay should I shove the offer letter in their face to let them know that I am worth more than they are paying me and staying just because I like everyone there and think we are heading in the right directions?!?!?
Indirect is more effective IMO. Figure out a way to let your employer know you have been offered other positions without saying it outright.
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Post by: catastrophe on July 27, 2018, 11:15:13 PM
If I were you it would 100% come down to how portable your skills are. And by that I mean is a salesperson like yourself valued based on achieving a certain rank within your current company, raw sales numbers, or purely based on demonstrated skills. If it is #3 then nuCompany is the obvious choice. If it is closer to #1 or #2 I’d be weary.
That’s because it is easy for a company (especially a big one) to hire away new talent and then completely bone said talent on actual opportunities, regardless of what was promised at the outset. Depending on the size of the company and the region it operates, it could be just as valuable to them to NOT have you working for a competitor (as opposed to actually doing anything productive within their ranks). You don’t want to take the risk of a miserable 1-3 year detour that damages your brand, even if it makes some extra money in the interim. On the other hand, if you think it would maintain or improve your brand regardless then I’d take the new job for sure.
Post by: ben ji on July 28, 2018, 10:42:50 AM
It sounds like your decision is largely contingent on the signing bonus. My first advice is to not bring in an offer letter or the new salary offer to try and leverage a raise that way. If you don't take the job, don't mention it. If you plan on taking the job and have a good relationship with your boss, mention to him/her (a day or two before you're ready to hand in the 2 week notice) that you've been offered a position with another firm and are considering taking the opportunity. I've always had good luck with just being real with my bosses. I don't play games with them because a: you could lose your job, and/or b: lose a good relationship/reference down the road. If they value you as an employee, the 2 week notice could trigger a better offer from your current company. Basically, let them start that raise convo at that juncture. If they don't start it, it was never coming.Here is the thing....I'm about 90% sure that the day I tell my boss I am taking/considering a new job will be my last day. I have a non compete and my industry is super anal about stealing clients etc.
Just always be prepared to be fired on the spot. If you catch someone on a bad day, you never know how they'll react.
Hell, i told my current boss that i was applying for a different job. We have a great relationship though and she knows it would be a big opportunity for me. The only problem is the job is in st louis. :Yuck:
Hell the reason my current company was able to grow so fast is the 6 people that started it brought over all their accounts from their previous job that didn't have a non compete.
I'm not worried about the non compete as I wouldn't need to bring any clients with me.
The ideal situation in my head is I put in my 2 weeks, they say this is your last day but we will keep paying you for 2 weeks. Not sure how likely that is but it's what I'm gunning for if I do leave.
Post by: ben ji on July 28, 2018, 10:47:10 AM
Like how do you assign a monetary value to being able to say to HR "Hey, remember when you projectile vomited all over that big screen TV in college?"
Post by: halfEmpty on July 28, 2018, 11:01:39 AM
As far as working relationships you have. Those always factor into my decisions. I've been lucky to work with great people wherever I've gone and have made lifelong friends from almost every stop I've made. Some people consider being friends with colleagues weird, but I guess I'm different. If I ended up at a place where I loved my job but hated my coworkers, it would suck. Generally why I try to get a good feel for personalities in an interview. If they seem stuffy, boring, too serious, etc... I'm generally over it quickly. The last 3 I interviewed had the personality of a pet rock. Luckily they didn't quite have the skills to do the job either.
Post by: michigancat on July 28, 2018, 11:04:36 AM
Are these the only two companies where you could do what you can do? I'd personally consider staying put and trying to get that 25% at a third company since it's pretty clear you're about worth it.
Post by: ben ji on July 28, 2018, 01:01:01 PM
Don't rub anything in anyone's face. Also you should have countered the 17% offer (unless you already had) and two weeks of vacation is bullshit.
I did counter the 17% offer, told them I was looking to be at 25% because of XYZ and mentioned having 21 days of PTO now and looking for at least 15 days. The person I am interviewing with(would be my boss) made it sound like they had to fight tooth and nail to get the 17% offer and doubted they could get anything higher but submitted the request to HR.
I met with them again on Monday and told them I could make the 17% offer work but I wouldn't be able to start until November after some bonuses for my current job are paid (This would be my ideal scenario). They want me to start ASAP (Launching new service soon) so I told them if I can get a signing bonus to make up the difference I could start immediately, they are working on making that happen.
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Are these the only two companies where you could do what you can do? I'd personally consider staying put and trying to get that 25% at a third company since it's pretty clear you're about worth it.
There are tons of companies in the area/Industry I could work at but I don't think I would get a better offer than what I just got. My current company has been hiring away a lot of people from these companies for more pay so I'm pretty confident that I am already on the higher end of what I could be paid but I haven't really interviewed anywhere else in the last 2 years and was not expecting this kind of an offer.
Post by: ben ji on July 28, 2018, 01:11:24 PM
Everything I have read online and advice from here says "NO" but I really like the current company and just want to get paid more. This seems like it would solve the only issue I have :dunno:
Post by: ChiComCat on July 28, 2018, 01:16:38 PM
The new company may expect a pretty quick reply if they meet your counter though.
Post by: ben ji on July 28, 2018, 01:47:05 PM
I don't like the idea of accepting a job then changing your mind, but that maybe more of a personal thing than a real world consequence thing. I would ask for a few days to a week to think about it and give the current company that amount of time to counter prior to two weeks notice.
The new company may expect a pretty quick reply if they meet your counter though.
I agree about accepting and changing your mind but I might not have a choice. As soon as I tell my current company I am leaving/have an offer from a competitor it will be my last day, just how it is in my industry/role. They don't want me to head back to my desk, download all of our customer contact info/send emails to all my customers saying "I'm leaving but you can find me over at XYZ company" etc.
So basically I have to have a firm offer and accept it, get my start date set in stone with the new company before I can even bring up the fact that I am leaving with my current company.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 28, 2018, 01:51:19 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 28, 2018, 01:54:33 PM
Don't rub anything in anyone's face. Also you should have countered the 17% offer (unless you already had) and two weeks of vacation is bullshit.
I did counter the 17% offer, told them I was looking to be at 25% because of XYZ and mentioned having 21 days of PTO now and looking for at least 15 days. The person I am interviewing with(would be my boss) made it sound like they had to fight tooth and nail to get the 17% offer and doubted they could get anything higher but submitted the request to HR.
I met with them again on Monday and told them I could make the 17% offer work but I wouldn't be able to start until November after some bonuses for my current job are paid (This would be my ideal scenario). They want me to start ASAP (Launching new service soon) so I told them if I can get a signing bonus to make up the difference I could start immediately, they are working on making that happen.QuoteAre these the only two companies where you could do what you can do? I'd personally consider staying put and trying to get that 25% at a third company since it's pretty clear you're about worth it.
There are tons of companies in the area/Industry I could work at but I don't think I would get a better offer than what I just got. My current company has been hiring away a lot of people from these companies for more pay so I'm pretty confident that I am already on the higher end of what I could be paid but I haven't really interviewed anywhere else in the last 2 years and was not expecting this kind of an offer.
Well then probably go to the new place but be nice about it. HOWEVER
One thing to consider is there's a good chance you won't have better career growth potential at the larger company unless they're somehow increasing revenue at a much higher rate than your current company. Lots of huge companies have a ton of qualified people waiting on promotions that rarely open up and I would guess you would be better off in that career growth/promotions if you stay in your current company...
Did you go into detail with your manager as to why you only got 2.25%? Was that raise company-wide? Are there growth roles within the company you want, and if so, do you have a plan with your manager on how to get there? Are you explicit with the new company about growth opportunities being important?
Post by: michigancat on July 28, 2018, 02:28:23 PM
given the fact that your company is poaching folks with pay, there's a good chance the other companies are going to have to react to that. You're in a pretty good spot if you do the following (all at the same time):
-Update the resume and apply to a few positions in your industry, get a feel for salaries/benefits as soon in the conversation as possible without revealing what you want
-slow play the 17% offer as much as you can, turn it down if they pressure you
-work with your company on a plan to get bigger raises in the future beyond "selling more". <-side note:are you on commission? If so, why is this unreasonable? If you aren't on commission, what are you doing outside of sales that would justify a larger increase?
Post by: ben ji on July 28, 2018, 03:05:48 PM
Well then probably go to the new place but be nice about it. HOWEVER
One thing to consider is there's a good chance you won't have better career growth potential at the larger company unless they're somehow increasing revenue at a much higher rate than your current company. Lots of huge companies have a ton of qualified people waiting on promotions that rarely open up and I would guess you would be better off in that career growth/promotions if you stay in your current company...
Did you go into detail with your manager as to why you only got 2.25%? Was that raise company-wide? Are there growth roles within the company you want, and if so, do you have a plan with your manager on how to get there? Are you explicit with the new company about growth opportunities being important?
Definitely more opportunity at the new place. All the other major players in the industry offer this service and it makes up about 20% of their revenue, new company is just now starting this service(Will be a brand new company under parent company) and their goal is to make it a 1 billion dollar company in 5 years(Revenue). I would also have more responsibility and not just be focused on sales. For the first year I would basically be a knowledge resource to help the sales reps that already have relationships with the customers sell this new service and then get that new business rolling and manage it.
Just typing that out makes me think I definitely need to take the job.
Current company said that the 2.25% pay raise was company wide. I did talk with them about new roles and responsibilities but they have not gotten back to me about that (It was only 2 weeks ago and my manager just had his second kid and was out all last week)
ANOTHER THING
given the fact that your company is poaching folks with pay, there's a good chance the other companies are going to have to react to that. You're in a pretty good spot if you do the following (all at the same time):
-Update the resume and apply to a few positions in your industry, get a feel for salaries/benefits as soon in the conversation as possible without revealing what you want
-slow play the 17% offer as much as you can, turn it down if they pressure you
-work with your company on a plan to get bigger raises in the future beyond "selling more". <-side note:are you on commission? If so, why is this unreasonable? If you aren't on commission, what are you doing outside of sales that would justify a larger increase?
I feel like their HR department is slow playing it enough for me but will definitely take a couple of days to think it over after they send the updated offer.
I do get commission so its not unreasonable to say "Go sell more". The thing that irked me was after I laid out why my skills/experience/results is worth a higher base pay there was no discussion about it, current company basically said "Yeah, where else are you going to go and find a higher base pay? Here is your 2.25% increase everyone in the company is getting".
Post by: michigancat on July 28, 2018, 05:25:47 PM
Good stuff Michigancat
Well then probably go to the new place but be nice about it. HOWEVER
One thing to consider is there's a good chance you won't have better career growth potential at the larger company unless they're somehow increasing revenue at a much higher rate than your current company. Lots of huge companies have a ton of qualified people waiting on promotions that rarely open up and I would guess you would be better off in that career growth/promotions if you stay in your current company...
Did you go into detail with your manager as to why you only got 2.25%? Was that raise company-wide? Are there growth roles within the company you want, and if so, do you have a plan with your manager on how to get there? Are you explicit with the new company about growth opportunities being important?
Definitely more opportunity at the new place. All the other major players in the industry offer this service and it makes up about 20% of their revenue, new company is just now starting this service(Will be a brand new company under parent company) and their goal is to make it a 1 billion dollar company in 5 years(Revenue). I would also have more responsibility and not just be focused on sales. For the first year I would basically be a knowledge resource to help the sales reps that already have relationships with the customers sell this new service and then get that new business rolling and manage it.
Just typing that out makes me think I definitely need to take the job.
Current company said that the 2.25% pay raise was company wide. I did talk with them about new roles and responsibilities but they have not gotten back to me about that (It was only 2 weeks ago and my manager just had his second kid and was out all last week)ANOTHER THING
given the fact that your company is poaching folks with pay, there's a good chance the other companies are going to have to react to that. You're in a pretty good spot if you do the following (all at the same time):
-Update the resume and apply to a few positions in your industry, get a feel for salaries/benefits as soon in the conversation as possible without revealing what you want
-slow play the 17% offer as much as you can, turn it down if they pressure you
-work with your company on a plan to get bigger raises in the future beyond "selling more". <-side note:are you on commission? If so, why is this unreasonable? If you aren't on commission, what are you doing outside of sales that would justify a larger increase?
I feel like their HR department is slow playing it enough for me but will definitely take a couple of days to think it over after they send the updated offer.
I do get commission so its not unreasonable to say "Go sell more". The thing that irked me was after I laid out why my skills/experience/results is worth a higher base pay there was no discussion about it, current company basically said "Yeah, where else are you going to go and find a higher base pay? Here is your 2.25% increase everyone in the company is getting".
Would the increased responsibilities take away from your opportunities to earn commissions? If not, go for it but be very nice to your old company because it sounds like you could cross paths with some of them again. Sounds like a cool opportunity at the new place.
Post by: ben ji on August 03, 2018, 09:47:10 AM
My bonus for last fiscal year(ended in June) was more than I expected....also commish/bonus plan is different for this year(paid quarterly instead of yearly) and after the first 2 months of this quarter I'm already at 28% of my total sales from last year.
My only remaining question is do I tell my current company I was offered the other job and turned it down? The only reason I am considering it is because this new company the established player is opening will be a competitor.
Nothing has been announced publicly so it would be a good inside scoop to give my current company but if I tell them they would ask how I know and I'd have to tell them about the offer.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 03, 2018, 09:57:00 AM
If you do, just say you were contacted, you listened to them and turned them down. There is no reason to tell your company how far along you went or that you seriously considered the offer.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 03, 2018, 09:59:23 AM
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Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2018, 02:48:13 PM
Starting this fall, I will be a reporter for the Great Bend Tribune covering Kansas State home football games.
seriously? that's incredible news
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2018, 02:48:32 PM
Starting a new job next week. Big pay bump. Woohoo. :ksugrad:
nice job IPA
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https://twitter.com/GB_Tribune/status/925771213791690758
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Post by: IPA4Me on August 06, 2018, 03:31:13 PM
I am eager to start grinding on the beat and churning out the best ~300 word game recaps Central Kansas has ever seen.Congrats!
Post by: bucket on August 06, 2018, 03:35:40 PM
I am eager to start grinding on the beat and churning out the best ~300 word game recaps Central Kansas has ever seen.
Are you getting a press pass/credentials?
Post by: mocat on August 06, 2018, 03:37:14 PM
no deal. get bent.Best lunchdate: Dlew and BTK go toPizza Hut this afternoonPorters for dinner?
:grin:
:blush: of course
it took a while but it looks like karma has caught up with ol dlew12, who has now himself gotten bent. great bent.
Post by: DQ12 on August 06, 2018, 03:40:38 PM
We'll find out. Applied for it a couple weeks ago.I am eager to start grinding on the beat and churning out the best ~300 word game recaps Central Kansas has ever seen.
Are you getting a press pass/credentials?
Do you ever have to step foot in GB to do the job?Nah
Post by: DQ12 on August 08, 2018, 09:13:18 AM
This dream could be in jeopardy.We'll find out. Applied for it a couple weeks ago.I am eager to start grinding on the beat and churning out the best ~300 word game recaps Central Kansas has ever seen.
Are you getting a press pass/credentials?Do you ever have to step foot in GB to do the job?Nah
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 08, 2018, 09:14:16 AM
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You don’t need to be part of the system to cover the cats, see The Boscoes Boys.Being part of the system was kind of the whole point
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DLew, if you want to somehow throw some gE weight behind your pass request you have my blessing. I have no idea how it works but you can work PRO BONO for gE and we'll just link articles from the Great Bend newspaper or some crap. Also that may actually hurt your request.Doesn't work. They have weirdly strict rules about sites with message boards.
Post by: 8manpick on August 08, 2018, 09:41:56 AM
Guess it’s time for us to start a “separate” newspaper that is “unassociated” with goEMAW.DLew, if you want to somehow throw some gE weight behind your pass request you have my blessing. I have no idea how it works but you can work PRO BONO for gE and we'll just link articles from the Great Bend newspaper or some crap. Also that may actually hurt your request.Doesn't work. They have weirdly strict rules about sites with message boards.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 08, 2018, 09:54:51 AM
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 08, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
They're grandfathered into it and they started with the publication.
grandfathered in? that's absurd and I refuse to believe that's a thing. like "well we'd love to take their passes away too but you know they are grandfathered in and all...".
Post by: DQ12 on August 08, 2018, 10:01:09 AM
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Web sites that sponsor “message boards” or “chat rooms” where people are allowed to post anonymous information or rumors are ineligible for credentials or access to media functions.http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/2015/6/16/_131476205476699775.aspx (http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/2015/6/16/_131476205476699775.aspx)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 08, 2018, 10:04:32 AM
You think you're going to shutdown D Scott from a pass? They've been covering K-State Sports way before it was cool to do so. They have also turned over a lot of written content. I'm sure they take each "message board" by a case by case scenario. Just my :th_twocents:. Every press box I've been to has always had a rivals/24/7 rep or more.They're grandfathered into it and they started with the publication.
grandfathered in? that's absurd and I refuse to believe that's a thing. like "well we'd love to take their passes away too but you know they are grandfathered in and all...".
Post by: DQ12 on August 08, 2018, 10:05:21 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 08, 2018, 10:22:04 AM
QuoteWeb sites that sponsor “message boards” or “chat rooms” where people are allowed to post anonymous information or rumors are ineligible for credentials or access to media functions.http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/2015/6/16/_131476205476699775.aspx (http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/2015/6/16/_131476205476699775.aspx)
Perhaps Because they require membership and a credit card it's not considered an anonymous message board :dunno:
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I’ve only seen it at larger companies and it’s usually a bloodbath at the senior management level
yes, it's a tremendous opportunity or a tremendous opportunity to go find somewhere else to work.
Post by: IPA4Me on September 18, 2018, 02:16:30 PM
Ditto. Our leader deported and I was loyal to him. New guy not so much. Hello new job, new company, and bigger checks.I’ve only seen it at larger companies and it’s usually a bloodbath at the senior management level
yes, it's a tremendous opportunity or a tremendous opportunity to go find somewhere else to work.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 19, 2018, 11:36:03 AM
yeah, only sales guys who don't sell need to worryYTD I've already surpassed where I was last year at the end of the year. I just wanted that new title for respect purposes when working with candidates. It will come, just hate that we have to pause things for now.
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I don't think anyone cares about sales guy titles at all anyway. Other than Dr, Partner, and Principal, titles are pretty useless.
This.
Any candidate who is fooled into thinking you are not a salesman by a title is not someone you want
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Post by: Pete on September 19, 2018, 07:30:06 PM
I am in a position where I am the only bread winner in my family, for a few unavoidable reasons. So, if I were to chose “barely make any money and be happy,” I would very likely end up unhappy as a result of other things my family would have to go without. Maybe not, but I really do think so.
So, personally, I go for the money. I need to be grateful though, and have some rough ridin' humility and be thankful that I am in a position to do that. Instead, I am always at risk of being resentful about it...I really, really, really dislike that about myself. That’s why I am posting about it...need to remind myself that I should be honored to be able to provide for my family, and not petty and selfish.
Having said that, if I were 25 and kidless, I would do something fun. When I was 25, I was a goddamn chowder keg of anxiety and fear, and needed an awful damn lot of self medication to get by. I had it all wrong, man.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 19, 2018, 07:31:23 PM
Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commissionNot how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 19, 2018, 08:51:18 PM
Can I try to educate just a lil bit here? Let’s say there’s 30 firms of your caliber and 2 main swinging dicks like yourself at each office. One of them desides they could prosper on their own on greater gains and leave the company. Well, we need to replace that badass with another badass within company terms. That’s what they regulate as a replacement, a new ‘stone. There’s not a lot of stones out there and you’ve contacted maybe every ‘stone qualification, but your company still says no because they’re unsure and he’s only 25. Does this make sense?Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commissionNot how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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Post by: catastrophe on September 19, 2018, 09:36:37 PM
For a job, is it better to barely make any money but be happy, or make tons of money and be miserable? And just pretend these are the only 2 options.
If you are talking long term, then #1 is the only logical choice. On the other hand, if you have an opportunity to grind out a few years for some serious money (and have a decent landing spot after) then I'd recommend that option, especially if you're 40 or under. Just make sure you actually save up the excess money (and put it to work, either in investments or whatever else will generate future cash flow) to make the pain worthwhile.
Excess income in your 20s is worth vastly more than excess income in your 50s. End up at the low-paying happy job either way, as weird as that might sound.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 19, 2018, 10:24:04 PM
Can I try to educate just a lil bit here? Let’s say there’s 30 firms of your caliber and 2 main swinging dicks like yourself at each office. One of them desides they could prosper on their own on greater gains and leave the company. Well, we need to replace that badass with another badass within company terms. That’s what they regulate as a replacement, a new ‘stone. There’s not a lot of stones out there and you’ve contacted maybe every ‘stone qualification, but your company still says no because they’re unsure and he’s only 25. Does this make sense?Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commissionNot how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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I mean, that doesn't make sense but I know very well what search firms do. Spencer Reed is my go to
Post by: star seed 7 on September 19, 2018, 10:33:51 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 19, 2018, 10:46:30 PM
Got it that it doesn’t make sense and that you guys don’t pay internal recruiters to fit your firm. Turnover makes sense.Can I try to educate just a lil bit here? Let’s say there’s 30 firms of your caliber and 2 main swinging dicks like yourself at each office. One of them desides they could prosper on their own on greater gains and leave the company. Well, we need to replace that badass with another badass within company terms. That’s what they regulate as a replacement, a new ‘stone. There’s not a lot of stones out there and you’ve contacted maybe every ‘stone qualification, but your company still says no because they’re unsure and he’s only 25. Does this make sense?Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commissionNot how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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I mean, that doesn't make sense but I know very well what search firms do. Spencer Reed is my go to
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 19, 2018, 11:00:38 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 20, 2018, 12:09:53 PM
Btw spencer is working your ass over. DM for a better business plan. Ftr. I’d get nothing out of this. Just trying to help a fellow cat.
Nah I’m good
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2018, 12:10:49 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 20, 2018, 12:34:21 PM
His current job gives him a lot of flexibility and is involved with many different disciplines. This new job would be a lot more specialized and while he likes what that specialization is, the other specialization that he does a lot of at the current job wouldn’t be something he would do at the new job and it’s his favorite by far.
Pros? Cons? Thoughts?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2018, 12:40:19 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 20, 2018, 12:42:47 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 20, 2018, 12:57:29 PM
Don't want to steal your thunder, TBT. Just had to tell you guys, they changed their minds and after my meeting this morning and my region being fully staffed, they decided to give me the new title and a raise. :excited:
:emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :kstategrad: :kstategrad: :kstategrad:
Post by: Spracne on September 20, 2018, 12:59:25 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on September 20, 2018, 01:01:19 PM
If your passion for crypto and block chain is as much as I think it is, you should move wherever you have the highest probability of making a career out of that. You only get one life to live, grab it by the balls.
I would drop everything I was doing right now and go work on crypto if I was offered a job. I’ve already started working on BTCPay and use the NBitcoin library a lot, never know where that could lead :excited:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2018, 01:02:22 PM
Wtg, Wackster!:thumbs: Thanks, guys!
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Post by: DQ12 on September 20, 2018, 01:08:15 PM
Quite a few firms use outside recruiters. Maybe not the goliaths, but definitely firms that paid at or above market -- at least that was the case in Chicago.Got it that it doesn’t make sense and that you guys don’t pay internal recruiters to fit your firm. Turnover makes sense.Can I try to educate just a lil bit here? Let’s say there’s 30 firms of your caliber and 2 main swinging dicks like yourself at each office. One of them desides they could prosper on their own on greater gains and leave the company. Well, we need to replace that badass with another badass within company terms. That’s what they regulate as a replacement, a new ‘stone. There’s not a lot of stones out there and you’ve contacted maybe every ‘stone qualification, but your company still says no because they’re unsure and he’s only 25. Does this make sense?Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commissionNot how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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I mean, that doesn't make sense but I know very well what search firms do. Spencer Reed is my go to
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2018, 01:13:32 PM
Post by: Spracne on September 20, 2018, 01:17:56 PM
Interesting. I just figure it would be cheaper to have internal recruiters. Makes sense, I just know how much some of those agencies cost. It's cut throat. I also worry about the quality of the candidate, since they're strictly working based off commission.
You don't think they care about repeat business?
The costs may seem high at first blush, but not compared to how much big firms already spend recruiting and developing talent. In fact, at least in the legal field, it's wayyy cheaper than recruiting law students in-house.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2018, 01:19:06 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 20, 2018, 01:43:50 PM
Sucks that your company loves to blow money. :frown:
You get what you pay for.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 20, 2018, 01:45:36 PM
Fair. I just figure internally they'd know the product better and exactly what the company is looking for.
It is very possible and even common to use both mechanisms on a case by case basis.
Post by: steve dave on September 20, 2018, 01:46:41 PM
Interesting. I just figure it would be cheaper to have internal recruiters. Makes sense, I just know how much some of those agencies cost. It's cut throat. I also worry about the quality of the candidate, since they're strictly working based off commission.
let me tell you an irl true story about internal recruiters: they rough ridin' suck and are lazy and I basically have to do their jobs for them.
Post by: wetwillie on September 20, 2018, 01:47:40 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2018, 01:48:09 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 20, 2018, 01:48:17 PM
Interesting. I just figure it would be cheaper to have internal recruiters. Makes sense, I just know how much some of those agencies cost. It's cut throat. I also worry about the quality of the candidate, since they're strictly working based off commission.
let me tell you an irl true story about internal recruiters: they rough ridin' suck and are lazy and I basically have to do their jobs for them.
:thumbsup:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2018, 01:52:04 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 20, 2018, 05:10:03 PM
Can I try to educate just a lil bit here? desidesMake the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commissionNot how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 20, 2018, 06:22:10 PM
So my Canadian friend really likes what he does and makes good money while living in MHK(LRWTP!). He could start making 6 figures if he moved to KC for a new job. However he really likes MHK and has good friends here. However he also really likes KC and has some good friends there too.If you'd be happy in KC, I'd take that job and stack cash in retirement. Keep living on the old wage. I'm a big fan of earlier retirement.
His current job gives him a lot of flexibility and is involved with many different disciplines. This new job would be a lot more specialized and while he likes what that specialization is, the other specialization that he does a lot of at the current job wouldn’t be something he would do at the new job and it’s his favorite by far.
Pros? Cons? Thoughts?
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 20, 2018, 07:14:05 PM
So my Canadian friend really likes what he does and makes good money while living in MHK(LRWTP!). He could start making 6 figures if he moved to KC for a new job. However he really likes MHK and has good friends here. However he also really likes KC and has some good friends there too.If you'd be happy in KC, I'd take that job and stack cash in retirement. Keep living on the old wage. I'm a big fan of earlier retirement.
His current job gives him a lot of flexibility and is involved with many different disciplines. This new job would be a lot more specialized and while he likes what that specialization is, the other specialization that he does a lot of at the current job wouldn’t be something he would do at the new job and it’s his favorite by far.
Pros? Cons? Thoughts?
I lived in KC for a few years and loved it. I may explore a little further. If I could find the specialization I really enjoy doing at work I would take it immediately.
Post by: pissclams on September 20, 2018, 07:29:30 PM
Post by: puniraptor on September 20, 2018, 10:51:12 PM
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Post by: hemmy on September 21, 2018, 04:11:13 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 21, 2018, 06:04:29 PM
take what money you can, the opportunity won’t always be there but mhk will (assuming nbaf doesn’t end it)
That’s the thing tho, I will continue to start getting more and more of these opportunities, not less. So when I do pull the trigger it’s for something I really want.
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 21, 2018, 06:04:46 PM
just commute, dctrain
Maybe telecommute
Post by: CHONGS on September 21, 2018, 07:52:16 PM
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 21, 2018, 08:55:30 PM
Post by: CHONGS on September 21, 2018, 08:57:21 PM
Have an opportunity to go to Montevideo in December.
Post by: 8manpick on September 21, 2018, 08:57:44 PM
I work remote. I fly into the Chicago office about once a month for meetings.And this mother roughrider never PMs me to go to Snickers smdhamh
Post by: sys on September 22, 2018, 12:30:16 AM
Have an opportunity to go to Montevideo in December.
please report back, i've had a uruguay thing for a while now. also, i'm going to argentina in october.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on September 22, 2018, 01:14:15 AM
I work remote. I fly into the Chicago office about once a month for meetings.And this mother roughrider never PMs me to go to Snickers smdhamh
This needs to be a coordinated gE rager once a month.
Post by: Kat Kid on September 22, 2018, 07:12:23 AM
Have an opportunity to go to Montevideo in December.
please report back, i've had a uruguay thing for a while now. also, i'm going to argentina in october.
Uruguay is like Argentina but with more Germans of dubious parentage.
Post by: Pete on September 22, 2018, 07:54:07 AM
Have an opportunity to go to Montevideo in December.
please report back, i've had a uruguay thing for a while now. also, i'm going to argentina in october.
Both of you report back. I am particularly interested in how well gringo's of the gringo looking and American speaking variety can exist in these places.
I need a central or south american place that is safe, super cheap, very good and accessible medical, AND (here is the kicker) let's my dogs both into that country AND back into the US without issue.
Post by: ben ji on September 30, 2018, 11:09:58 AM
I am currently in sales and just crushing it left and right but know that I don't want to be in sales forever, just so happens that is where I can make the most money right now. Our company recently created a new position as a "Pricing Manager/Analyst" that I have applied for and will have a formal interview in about 2 weeks with the boss 1 level above my boss and another person in our company(We only have 55 employees and the big boss hired me 3 years ago as the 10th employee so I know them both very well). The main focus of the position will be to price out our services for large RFP's that come in and then track our results.
Currently each sales manager completes their own RFP's and the last 3 I have completed have led to the most new sales since our fiscal year started in June... so I know I can do the job.
My question is how should I treat the interview process? My initial thought is to prepare for it and treat it the same way as if I was an outsider applying for the same job. I have updated my Resume to reflect the skills needed for the job and plan to bring it to the interview. I am also working on developing a standard process to follow each time we receive an RFP and a process to check results 3/6/9/12 months after the bid is completed etc.
Couple of questions I have -
1.Our dress code is business casual casual (Jeans and a polo basically and shorts on friday/monday in the summer). Should I dress up in a full suit on the day of the interview? I'm leaning towards yes but figured I'd get some feedback from everyone here. If I do dress up in a suit I will stand out all day at work and I'm sure I'll get about 3 questions for co-workers on if I'm visiting a client or why I'm dressed up.
2. How should I approach the Compensation Question? I do not know what the salary range is the for position and obviously they know how much I currently make. My usual approach to the salary question in a interview is to say I'm competitively compensated and then ask what the salary range is to get them to throw out a number first...That doesn't work as well if they already know what your salary is.
3. Any other pro tips?
Post by: pissclams on September 30, 2018, 12:02:10 PM
Post by: steve dave on September 30, 2018, 12:37:57 PM
Post by: sys on September 30, 2018, 12:55:10 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 30, 2018, 12:55:35 PM
Post by: pissclams on September 30, 2018, 01:02:48 PM
there’s no expectation in a company your size that you’re rocking a suit to an internal interview
Post by: michigancat on September 30, 2018, 01:22:44 PM
And don't wear a suit but wear the dressiest business casual shirt you have.
Post by: Trim on September 30, 2018, 01:38:53 PM
Post by: steve dave on September 30, 2018, 01:40:07 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 30, 2018, 01:46:42 PM
if you don't wear a suit be prepared to be asked by the interviewer why you decided not to.Not wanting to look like a giant tool bag all day at work seems like a nice reason
Post by: michigancat on September 30, 2018, 01:49:43 PM
This is kind of a joke, but if you need to make face to face contact with clients I'm guessing it would be odd to wear a suit.if you don't wear a suit be prepared to be asked by the interviewer why you decided not to.Not wanting to look like a giant tool bag all day at work seems like a nice reason
Post by: steve dave on September 30, 2018, 01:53:31 PM
if you don't wear a suit be prepared to be asked by the interviewer why you decided not to.Not wanting to look like a giant tool bag all day at work seems like a nice reason
it is not
Post by: star seed 7 on September 30, 2018, 01:56:03 PM
Also what route did you take with the last jobs thread topic?
Post by: IPA4Me on September 30, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
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Post by: michigancat on September 30, 2018, 01:58:35 PM
Post by: bucket on September 30, 2018, 02:04:43 PM
It's honestly very cultural dependent. I've interviewed internal candidates and had no idea what they wore but would have thought it was strange if they wore something even remotely business casual, and I'm sure sd's company is in the opposite end of the spectrum. Benji, I think you're gonna have to take the temperature of the office yourself.
I think the fact they wear shorts in the office tells us all we need to know
Post by: michigancat on September 30, 2018, 02:09:18 PM
lol I missed that detail... Stopped reading at "business casual"It's honestly very cultural dependent. I've interviewed internal candidates and had no idea what they wore but would have thought it was strange if they wore something even remotely business casual, and I'm sure sd's company is in the opposite end of the spectrum. Benji, I think you're gonna have to take the temperature of the office yourself.
I think the fact they wear shorts in the office tells us all we need to know
Post by: sys on September 30, 2018, 02:38:54 PM
Post by: sys on September 30, 2018, 02:45:44 PM
Open collar. Bring a jacket.
gameday decision with a sports jacket is a pretty good boyscout solution.
Post by: mocat on September 30, 2018, 02:56:46 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 29, 2018, 01:03:38 PM
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Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 03:27:37 PM
I don't even know where to begin with all this. AMA.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 03:30:57 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 03:36:41 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 01, 2019, 03:40:23 PM
At this moment, dude#2 is training someone on how to do something he's been doing. Over the past few months, they've been assigning all his work to other people, telling him that he'll be working on something else. I think it's so they can get rid of him and that he may not completely realize what's happening.
lmao, he’s absolutely gone.
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Post by: 8manpick on March 01, 2019, 03:41:39 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 03:42:30 PM
Wait, so using letters as initial rank, Dude 2 started as A, Dude 1 as B, you and German girl as C1 and C2. Now B is gone and both A and C1 work for C2 but A is getting slowly pushed out?
Yep
Post by: 8manpick on March 01, 2019, 03:43:26 PM
I don’t even know where to start, but how did German girl come to be Dude #2’s boss?Wait, so using letters as initial rank, Dude 2 started as A, Dude 1 as B, you and German girl as C1 and C2. Now B is gone and both A and C1 work for C2 but A is getting slowly pushed out?
Yep
Post by: Kat Kid on March 01, 2019, 03:45:27 PM
I don’t even know where to start, but how did German girl come to be Dude #2’s boss?Wait, so using letters as initial rank, Dude 2 started as A, Dude 1 as B, you and German girl as C1 and C2. Now B is gone and both A and C1 work for C2 but A is getting slowly pushed out?
Yep
They are an industrious people.
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 03:50:19 PM
I don’t even know where to start, but how did German girl come to be Dude #2’s boss?
I'll have to give some thought to how to answer. It's a long, long story.
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Post by: michigancat on March 01, 2019, 04:03:09 PM
Oh, God. dude#2 just finished training and came back in totally elated to have that task off his plate.
ohhhh damn
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 04:09:54 PM
This is a German girl who seems maybe a tad shy of being fully proficient at speaking English. We introduced ourselves and then she just marched me straight to the VP's office and told me I could sit in there and wait if I wanted. I was like "Maybe I'll go find the bathroom and check out the gym. Or even leave and come back in an hour." She said okay and then turned around and walked off.
German girl is now my boss. I have to move into a room with her and some other girl. This will probably be a good time to do some more posting to this thread.
Post by: steve dave on March 01, 2019, 04:11:14 PM
Oh, God. dude#2 just finished training and came back in totally elated to have that task off his plate.
oh no :lol:
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 04:13:05 PM
So, I went to the store and picked up some $6 reading glasses to leave at work and $10 worth of lottery tickets.
The VP was there when I got back. He said and did a bunch of totally normal stuff for the next several hours. BUT THEN, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to share something with me. I'd learned earlier that he was a wrestling coach and has a son who is a star wrestler. He then told me that he'd taken his son to Nationals as a 14 year old and felt terrible because his son lost immediately. His reaction was to write a letter to his son. The letter is what he wanted to share with me. So, I sat there as he read verbatim this 3/4 page, single spaced, deeply personal letter about winning and losing and trying and getting back up and learning life lessons. As he's reading it, I'm like, "Oh crap. How am I supposed to respond to this? Is my response going to sound phony? What's going on here!?" Luckily, he kept right on talking after reading and the conversation flowed naturally.
Post by: michigancat on March 01, 2019, 04:31:13 PM
More on dude#2!Hahaha how did I miss this???So, I went to the store and picked up some $6 reading glasses to leave at work and $10 worth of lottery tickets.
The VP was there when I got back. He said and did a bunch of totally normal stuff for the next several hours. BUT THEN, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to share something with me. I'd learned earlier that he was a wrestling coach and has a son who is a star wrestler. He then told me that he'd taken his son to Nationals as a 14 year old and felt terrible because his son lost immediately. His reaction was to write a letter to his son. The letter is what he wanted to share with me. So, I sat there as he read verbatim this 3/4 page, single spaced, deeply personal letter about winning and losing and trying and getting back up and learning life lessons. As he's reading it, I'm like, "Oh crap. How am I supposed to respond to this? Is my response going to sound phony? What's going on here!?" Luckily, he kept right on talking after reading and the conversation flowed naturally.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 05, 2019, 11:14:37 AM
More on dude#2!So, I went to the store and picked up some $6 reading glasses to leave at work and $10 worth of lottery tickets.
The VP was there when I got back. He said and did a bunch of totally normal stuff for the next several hours. BUT THEN, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to share something with me. I'd learned earlier that he was a wrestling coach and has a son who is a star wrestler. He then told me that he'd taken his son to Nationals as a 14 year old and felt terrible because his son lost immediately. His reaction was to write a letter to his son. The letter is what he wanted to share with me. So, I sat there as he read verbatim this 3/4 page, single spaced, deeply personal letter about winning and losing and trying and getting back up and learning life lessons. As he's reading it, I'm like, "Oh crap. How am I supposed to respond to this? Is my response going to sound phony? What's going on here!?" Luckily, he kept right on talking after reading and the conversation flowed naturally.
so dude #2 is the VP?
Post by: chum1 on March 05, 2019, 11:47:37 AM
More on dude#2!So, I went to the store and picked up some $6 reading glasses to leave at work and $10 worth of lottery tickets.
The VP was there when I got back. He said and did a bunch of totally normal stuff for the next several hours. BUT THEN, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to share something with me. I'd learned earlier that he was a wrestling coach and has a son who is a star wrestler. He then told me that he'd taken his son to Nationals as a 14 year old and felt terrible because his son lost immediately. His reaction was to write a letter to his son. The letter is what he wanted to share with me. So, I sat there as he read verbatim this 3/4 page, single spaced, deeply personal letter about winning and losing and trying and getting back up and learning life lessons. As he's reading it, I'm like, "Oh crap. How am I supposed to respond to this? Is my response going to sound phony? What's going on here!?" Luckily, he kept right on talking after reading and the conversation flowed naturally.
so dude #2 is the VP?
Yes, but I don't think anyone would call him that any longer.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 26, 2019, 02:37:08 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on April 16, 2019, 11:06:33 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on April 16, 2019, 11:29:35 AM
There is nothing better than a boss that works remotely.
can confirm
Post by: wetwillie on April 16, 2019, 11:45:42 AM
:excited:
Going to Silicon Valley?!
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 16, 2019, 11:48:10 AM
:excited:
Going to Silicon Valley of the Midwest?!
Yep!
Post by: wetwillie on April 16, 2019, 11:50:29 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 16, 2019, 01:07:48 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2019, 01:10:36 PM
There is nothing better than a boss that works remotely.
can confirm
I work remotely and my dudes and dudettes liked it better when I didn’t. They could be just saying that to make me feel good though.
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Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2019, 01:11:15 PM
:excited:
Going to Silicon Valley of the Midwest?!
Yep!
!!! Hit me up with details.
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Post by: 8manpick on April 16, 2019, 02:28:20 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 16, 2019, 02:55:36 PM
:excited:
Going to Silicon Valley of the Midwest?!
Yep!
!!! Hit me up with details.
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By Silicon Valley of the Midwest I meant KC, I’ve heard Lincoln is nice tho!
Post by: IPA4Me on April 16, 2019, 10:28:36 PM
I’ll soon be working remotely. Very excited to not spend an hour+ commuting every day, but unsure how effectively it will work. It’s nice to be able to walk to someone’s desk to talk to them.I use Biz Skype frequently in lieu of actual desk chatting.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 24, 2019, 12:56:28 PM
At work, you're responsible to your company, your boss, and yourself. You are not responsible to your coworkers or their hurt feelings. Provided it doesn't have a huge potential to hurt you later (one of these people getting promoted over you, etc), do what is best for you.:thumbs:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 24, 2019, 01:17:53 PM
Play more golf, Wacky.Man, we setup our home work stations this week. Pretty geeked out about it. We only need to be in the office now when our Manager flies in from DC. Hitting the range this afternoon, tourney next weekend in the flint hills. :thumbs:
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Post by: ben ji on May 09, 2019, 09:25:49 PM
Last year I waited until my actual yearly review meeting to bring up the fact that I thought my base pay was lower than what I would get at another company. When the review meeting finally happened I presented my argument for a raise but at that point everything had been decided and there was not much room for negotiation, I got a 2.25% raise.
This year when I emailed my self review to my manager I brought up the conversation from last year and said I wanted to revisit increasing my base pay to where I thought it should be and included some reasons of why. Had my review the other day and got a 7% raise. If I had said nothing last year I probably would of got the same 2-3% raise in base pay.
TL:DR - Always ask for a raise and make sure your manager knows what you are expecting (Include research/reasons etc on why you deserve it)
Post by: steve dave on May 09, 2019, 09:31:40 PM
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Post by: pissclams on May 10, 2019, 09:47:53 AM
Yeah pro tip: your annual raise and any raise you are going to ask for and also any promotion you are going to get for the next 12 months has already been decided and budgeted for. Anything outside of that is a giant PITA to get if you work for a big international company.
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finance person here- when making these types of decisions no one but finance really cares what's in/out of budget. the other orgs will just blame finance for not budgeting enough for merit/market adjustments/promotions if they go over. also, budgeting usually just considers a certain percentage by organization, usually 3-5%%, it's not budgeted by individual. your boss can award that however they want.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 10, 2019, 09:51:47 AM
Post by: wetwillie on May 10, 2019, 09:53:10 AM
Since September: CEO-gone, COO- gone, Marketing Director- Gone, HR Director- Gone, Credentialing Director- Gone, ITT Director- Gone, CFO- Cutting benefits. New CEO- "Fanning, You covered your territory, I need you in Ohio now by cutting your bonuses". @michigancat I'll pay you a fee for you to update my resume these days.
What does we need you in Ohio now by cutting your bonuses mean?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 10, 2019, 09:55:56 AM
Post by: meow meow on May 10, 2019, 10:01:29 AM
#bargegas
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Post by: pissclams on May 10, 2019, 10:18:38 AM
Such a good movie
thanks. we wouldn't have gone viral without cat dude_33's marketing efforts though
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Post by: ChiComCat on July 09, 2019, 07:59:55 AM
Stay above the drama and corporate kissassing. There are lots more idiots in the office than not.
I liked these. People will try to create drama just like kids in school. It's pretty easily avoidable in most cases.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 09, 2019, 08:24:52 AM
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Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2019, 11:31:54 AM
Just a quick FYI for your information: Just switched careers after 11 years in the teaching biz. Sucks having to work in the summer but it's amazing not being in charge of 150 dumbass kids the entire day. Any pro-tips about working in an office are appreciated.
You hate to see it.
Post by: catastrophe on July 09, 2019, 11:55:00 AM
This strategy 100% works.
Post by: wetwillie on July 09, 2019, 12:12:20 PM
Just a quick FYI for your information: Just switched careers after 11 years in the teaching biz. Sucks having to work in the summer but it's amazing not being in charge of 150 dumbass kids the entire day. Any pro-tips about working in an office are appreciated.
You hate to see it.
It’s a tragedy really.
Post by: ben ji on July 09, 2019, 12:30:07 PM
Go out and crush it in your first few months to a year so everyone is like “hey this guy is a really good employee” and then coast on your reputation from then on, doing just enough not to get fired.
This strategy 100% works.
This is correct, also dress slightly above whatever your dress code is when you first start. First impressions last a long time.
When I started at a new job a couple of years ago the person I was working with/ training me wore slacks/dress shirt to the office every day while most employees wore jean/khaki's and a polo.
My first impression was "Wow, this guy knows his stuff". After working there a couple of months I realized this guy was terrible at his job and didn't know anything.
Post by: ben ji on July 09, 2019, 12:45:38 PM
HR is there to protect the company and not you.
Ask for a raise every chance you can but make sure you have developed your argument on why you deserve the raise.
Go to outside of work company events like Happy HR etc to help build relationships with your co-workers.
Post by: steve dave on July 09, 2019, 01:18:06 PM
- after you've spent enough time there to figure out who the most respected and highest ceiling people are in positions at least two levels above yours pick out the best candidate and ask them to mentor you. in the opening discussion find out how much time they could invest (like 1 hour every two weeks or a month or whatever) and set a meeting for those times and come prepared for that meeting with questions and seeking advice (even if you don't have anything you need come with open ended questions and let them talk). You can also ask to be involved in projects they are working on. you'll a) learn a lot and b) attach yourself to their coat tails to get a piece of their rise through the company.
- you'll eventually have a ton of time to goof off and message board and just waste away. doing some of that is good but use a lot of that time to develop yourself. get a designation, take a class, take on additional work, volunteer for projects, whatever. again, multiple things here, you'll a) learn a lot and b) make people see you have drive.
- ask a lot of questions. don't "fake it till you make it" because you'll take some black eyes. also it shows you are really paying attention. BUT, when you are told to do something do it to the best of your knowledge and THEN ask if you did it correctly. be a self starter and all that.
- agree on dress above requirements (but don't go nuts), agree on attending all after work stuff you are able to.
- if there is a society in the space your company is in join it and be relatively active in the society.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 09, 2019, 01:20:47 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2019, 01:29:27 PM
Post by: pissclams on July 09, 2019, 01:41:20 PM
some of this probably applied to teaching as well as general office environment so disregard if so:
- after you've spent enough time there to figure out who the most respected and highest ceiling people are in positions at least two levels above yours pick out the best candidate and ask them to mentor you. in the opening discussion find out how much time they could invest (like 1 hour every two weeks or a month or whatever) and set a meeting for those times and come prepared for that meeting with questions and seeking advice (even if you don't have anything you need come with open ended questions and let them talk). You can also ask to be involved in projects they are working on. you'll a) learn a lot and b) attach yourself to their coat tails to get a piece of their rise through the company.
- you'll eventually have a ton of time to goof off and message board and just waste away. doing some of that is good but use a lot of that time to develop yourself. get a designation, take a class, take on additional work, volunteer for projects, whatever. again, multiple things here, you'll a) learn a lot and b) make people see you have drive.
- ask a lot of questions. don't "fake it till you make it" because you'll take some black eyes. also it shows you are really paying attention. BUT, when you are told to do something do it to the best of your knowledge and THEN ask if you did it correctly. be a self starter and all that.
- agree on dress above requirements (but don't go nuts), agree on attending all after work stuff you are able to.
- if there is a society in the space your company is in join it and be relatively active in the society.
omg hai warren buffet. :drool:
srs tho catdude_33 don't do anything sd said to do because honestly i think he made the stuff up. just go to work and have a good time, that's what life is all about.
Post by: ChiComCat on July 09, 2019, 02:05:09 PM
Post by: pissclams on July 09, 2019, 02:10:41 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 09, 2019, 02:21:18 PM
always say, "livin' the dream" when people at your office ask you how it's goingGreat water cooler talk
Post by: kslim on July 09, 2019, 02:23:41 PM
thats my go to
Post by: ChiComCat on July 09, 2019, 02:26:37 PM
Post by: ben ji on July 09, 2019, 02:55:07 PM
Don't be friends with these people on social media. They're not your friends. Most of them would eat their own to get a head of you.
I'm buds with alot of my coworkers on social media and "Like" pictures of their kids and ask them how the activity their kid was participating in went. You know, normal stuff.
Just don't post anything on social media yourself and you are good to go.
Post by: meow meow on July 09, 2019, 02:59:55 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on July 09, 2019, 06:17:03 PM
I really can’t oversell the coasting lifestyle enough though.
Post by: eastcat on July 10, 2019, 09:16:30 AM
always say, "livin' the dream" when people at your office ask you how it's going
I just say "well, I'm here."
Post by: chum1 on July 10, 2019, 09:30:09 AM
Post by: kslim on July 10, 2019, 10:35:51 AM
I loled the first time I heard "living the dream." Then, I heard it like a thousand more times right after that.i always come back with "somebody elses'" it usually gets a chuckle
Post by: meow meow on July 10, 2019, 11:12:57 AM
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Post by: _33 on July 10, 2019, 07:33:56 PM
Post by: _33 on July 10, 2019, 07:34:51 PM
some of this probably applied to teaching as well as general office environment so disregard if so:
- after you've spent enough time there to figure out who the most respected and highest ceiling people are in positions at least two levels above yours pick out the best candidate and ask them to mentor you. in the opening discussion find out how much time they could invest (like 1 hour every two weeks or a month or whatever) and set a meeting for those times and come prepared for that meeting with questions and seeking advice (even if you don't have anything you need come with open ended questions and let them talk). You can also ask to be involved in projects they are working on. you'll a) learn a lot and b) attach yourself to their coat tails to get a piece of their rise through the company.
- you'll eventually have a ton of time to goof off and message board and just waste away. doing some of that is good but use a lot of that time to develop yourself. get a designation, take a class, take on additional work, volunteer for projects, whatever. again, multiple things here, you'll a) learn a lot and b) make people see you have drive.
- ask a lot of questions. don't "fake it till you make it" because you'll take some black eyes. also it shows you are really paying attention. BUT, when you are told to do something do it to the best of your knowledge and THEN ask if you did it correctly. be a self starter and all that.
- agree on dress above requirements (but don't go nuts), agree on attending all after work stuff you are able to.
- if there is a society in the space your company is in join it and be relatively active in the society.
:thumbs:
Post by: sys on July 10, 2019, 07:40:07 PM
Post by: steve dave on July 10, 2019, 07:46:51 PM
sucking up really works.
Fo Sho
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Post by: Pete on July 11, 2019, 12:32:43 PM
I am now at a point where I have almost zero desire to move up, and am looking to not move down. Ironically, avoiding social situations suits this goal quite well!
Post by: Pete on July 11, 2019, 12:39:30 PM
Can I use emojis in inter office emails? I love using the "thumbs up".
Constantly use this
Post by: ChiComCat on July 11, 2019, 12:50:37 PM
Can I use emojis in inter office emails? I love using the "thumbs up".
Constantly use this
a gold star was my go to
Post by: steve dave on July 11, 2019, 01:03:32 PM
Can I use emojis in inter office emails? I love using the "thumbs up".
Constantly use this
Same
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Me:
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Me:
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 11, 2019, 07:22:14 PM
Post by: catastrophe on July 11, 2019, 07:46:06 PM
I also use the
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This is exactly how I assume business people talk.
“Hey Jim did you do that business today?”
“Oh sorry I got caught up on other business. I’ll try to do that business next week.”
Post by: steve dave on July 12, 2019, 08:07:31 AM
Post by: michigancat on July 12, 2019, 01:53:58 PM
**This of course assumes you don't post crap on your instagram that you wouldn't want people at work to know about.
A big one is make sure your job has clear deliverables or objectives or whatever. Your manager should lay that out when you start but if they don't write your own down and discuss it with them after you get the lay of the land
Post by: _33 on August 08, 2019, 10:15:21 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2019, 09:12:30 AM
like you hate your company, hate your current role, or want to do something different altogether like my guy _33?
I like the company and people in it a lot, but I'm super bored.
Post by: meow meow on August 09, 2019, 09:17:33 AM
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Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2019, 09:19:52 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 09, 2019, 09:23:43 AM
Post by: chum1 on August 09, 2019, 09:35:35 AM
Do coke at lunch?
I think he means you should be like the FBI agent.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2019, 09:36:23 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2019, 09:43:25 AM
Do coke at lunch?
I think he means you should be like the FBI agent.
Coach a high school football team?
Post by: mocat on August 09, 2019, 10:48:22 AM
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Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2019, 04:15:03 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 09, 2019, 04:28:26 PM
That sounds horrible
really? I like nice meals with someone who needs my business.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 09, 2019, 09:32:46 PM
Post by: 8manpick on August 09, 2019, 11:21:23 PM
If you guys can ever find a way to work strictly remote, I strongly advise it. It’s been a blessing. No office politics, just put up numbers and peace out. Lib, I’m not sure what you do, but you seem good at it. Maybe start applying at companies where their corporate head quarters are not here and kick ass from home if possible.I disagree with like 90% of what wacky posts, but this is true. Been working remotely for 7 weeks so far and it is fantastic.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 09, 2019, 11:25:34 PM
Post by: ben ji on August 09, 2019, 11:30:51 PM
Last time I worked from home a couple months ago (moving offices) I spent the afternoon pouring concrete to patch my driveway.
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Post by: _33 on August 19, 2019, 03:18:06 PM
Is this a normal business email greeting?
Post by: meow meow on August 19, 2019, 03:26:04 PM
are they trying to sell you something?
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Post by: ben ji on August 19, 2019, 08:57:45 PM
I do have a fairly large customer who will start every email like this
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Hello ben ji,
I hope you are doing well.
I had a questions on XYZ BLAH BLAH BLAH WORK STUFF
I will respond with
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Hello Customer,
I'm doing great, just got back from a trip to XYZ and had a great time. What have you been up to?
The answer to your question is ABCDEF.
This goes back and forth for a while and eventually I call them and ask about their daughters XYZ thing that they mentioned and say about 10 words during the 10 minute call. I've known this customer for around 5 years and this exact scenario happens a couple of times each year without fail.
SALES 101
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 03, 2019, 11:58:24 AM
I’ve been at my new job for a little over 4 months now. It was a monster pay bump, I like the people I work with and it’s a really good company. However, I feel like I’m being under utilized. I’m really rough ridin' good at what I do and I feel like I could be contributing a lot more.
There’s all kinds of growth and upward movement that will happen in time, but I’m impatient. Should I just keep my head down and work and just wait OR should I look elsewhere where I could make more of an impact sooner? I’ve really been struggling with this because I do like where I’m at, it’s just I could be contributing so much more.
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Post by: michigancat on September 03, 2019, 01:46:09 PM
Alright guys I need some feedback.
I’ve been at my new job for a little over 4 months now. It was a monster pay bump, I like the people I work with and it’s a really good company. However, I feel like I’m being under utilized. I’m really rough ridin' good at what I do and I feel like I could be contributing a lot more.
There’s all kinds of growth and upward movement that will happen in time, but I’m impatient. Should I just keep my head down and work and just wait OR should I look elsewhere where I could make more of an impact sooner? I’ve really been struggling with this because I do like where I’m at, it’s just I could be contributing so much more.
talk to your manager. do you meet regularly? If not you should, even if it's just something like a half hour every two weeks. A decent manager will give you an idea of where you stand and tell you to shut up and keep your head down, but a really good one will try to find new ways to challenge you.
Regardless, I'd also suggest going to your manager conversations prepared with specific ways you think you could utilize more of your potential. Managers are generally pretty lazy and like it when employees do the work for them.
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Post by: halfEmpty on October 14, 2019, 09:35:44 AM
Might of been buzzed during the chiefs game and responded to an email from my boss with "Lets get this bread". He was confused
Could have been much worse/awkward.
Buddy of mine at work several years ago was dating a girl with the same name as our boss texted our boss at 1AM. "I Love you, wish I was next to you" - or something like that. We still laugh about that one.
This same boss, who I've had at 2 different stops, got a text from a current coworker about a year ago. He was dating another one of our colleagues with a similar name. And drunkenly texted our boss, "it was so great meeting your friends and spending time with you. I love you. blah blah blah" Earlier he had said he was going to her birthday party so my boss knew who the text was meant for. Nobody knew they were dating until that text (although we had our suspicions).
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Post by: halfEmpty on October 14, 2019, 06:49:58 PM
Those aren’t as bad as this one dude I know who messaged a coworker accusing her of whoring around.
That's top notch
Post by: star seed 7 on October 14, 2019, 07:12:53 PM
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Post by: bucket on October 16, 2019, 02:06:12 PM
:Woohoo:
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Post by: steve dave on October 24, 2019, 02:06:45 PM
So the company I work for has bought a few other local companies recently and kept them as separate divisions. One of these has a position open that I'm interested in, what's the protocol here? Let my supervisor know? Let hr know? Procrastinate and feel regret later?
Tell your boss you have interest before applying.
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Post by: halfEmpty on October 24, 2019, 04:39:02 PM
However, have a friend who was offered a position in a different office within my old company. He let his boss know. Boss countered the offer. Buddy declined and said he wanted to try out the other office(moving from Atlanta to Chicago). Boss fired him on the spot because he was pissed he wouldn't take the counter. Didn't end up getting either job. to be fair, he said f the company altogether and went somewhere else. The other offer was still on the table.
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
Post by: sys on October 24, 2019, 05:24:51 PM
I've decided to go with procrastinate and feel regret later
i thought that was probably the best option all along, but i didn't want to say so and appear unsupportive.
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Post by: ChiComCat on October 25, 2019, 09:54:30 AM
Source: I’ve worked for the same company since I left college and will probably never work anywhere else.
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Do you feel like you've left money on the table staying there?
Post by: steve dave on October 25, 2019, 10:09:04 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on October 25, 2019, 10:42:49 AM
Yes, but not a substantial amount. And the pros far outweigh the cons with this much employment equity imo. I’ve reached the point that I have freedom to build my team however I want, wherever I want. Also I work for a Swiss company and the Euros have some pretty ridiculous incentives for tenure. At this point (15 years with Co) I get a 14%(!!) salary match for my 401k (I have a pension that they quit funding and now they just dump an assload more to my 401k), better than industry bonus structure, long term incentive plans on top of that, 36 days of paid time off a year + the usual holidays, a bunch of other crunchy perks.
:thumbsup:
Next time I look to see what is out there, I'm going to probably have to weigh current comfort into the equation way more than in the past. Previously, it's almost always been about salary.
Post by: chum1 on October 25, 2019, 11:18:32 AM
I get a 14%(!!) salary match for my 401k
:surprised:
Do you plan to retire early and have an idea about when you'd be able to?
Post by: steve dave on October 25, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
I get a 14%(!!) salary match for my 401k
:surprised:
Do you plan to retire early and have an idea about when you'd be able to?
I’ve got several dozen children of undetermined intelligence/drive so right now there are no plans
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Post by: eastcat on October 28, 2019, 06:33:34 PM
Yes, but not a substantial amount. And the pros far outweigh the cons with this much employment equity imo. I’ve reached the point that I have freedom to build my team however I want, wherever I want. Also I work for a Swiss company and the Euros have some pretty ridiculous incentives for tenure. At this point (15 years with Co) I get a 14%(!!) salary match for my 401k (I have a pension that they quit funding and now they just dump an assload more to my 401k), better than industry bonus structure, long term incentive plans on top of that, 36 days of paid time off a year + the usual holidays, a bunch of other crunchy perks.
Sounds like you're an airline pilot. They get 15-16% direct contribution because the company expects half of them to croke/medical out by age 50.
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Post by: wetwillie on October 28, 2019, 07:58:36 PM
That's a sweet match. My IRL bud has been with same company since graduation as well. He's retiring at 52. No kids bleeding him dry. So he's been fully funding for 20+ years.
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How do you access your 401K at 52?
Post by: ben ji on October 28, 2019, 08:36:58 PM
That's a sweet match. My IRL bud has been with same company since graduation as well. He's retiring at 52. No kids bleeding him dry. So he's been fully funding for 20+ years.
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What is Rule 72(t)?
Rule 72(t) allows penalty-free withdrawals from IRA accounts and other tax-advantaged retirement accounts like 401(k) and 403(b) plans. It is issued by the Internal Revenue Service. To take advantage of this rule, the owner of the retirement account must take at least five substantially equal periodic payments (SEPPs), and the amount of the payments depend on the owner’s life expectancy as calculated through IRS-approved methods.
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Post by: Institutional Control on October 29, 2019, 08:13:35 AM
I miss my unlimited time off. imo, most people who crap on it haven't had it. I thought it was great.
I don't even know what unlimited time off means.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 29, 2019, 08:33:06 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on October 29, 2019, 08:49:56 AM
It's in the name
What, you can just work whenever you feel like it? Is it paid time off?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 29, 2019, 09:07:13 AM
Post by: steve dave on October 29, 2019, 09:41:34 AM
It's in the name
It’s a scam
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Post by: michigancat on October 29, 2019, 12:50:42 PM
The biggest advantage is I started taking days off to go to weekday day Oakland A's games. I would never take a paid day to go to a dumb baseball game, but hell yeah I will with unlimited PTO. Plus I can send a few emails in the morning and not really miss much.
But yeah overall I'd rather just get 4 weeks or whatever.
Post by: IPA4Me on October 29, 2019, 01:11:59 PM
Thank you sir.That's a sweet match. My IRL bud has been with same company since graduation as well. He's retiring at 52. No kids bleeding him dry. So he's been fully funding for 20+ years.
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 29, 2019, 02:07:05 PM
Like is 4 weeks 28 days or 20 days?
Post by: ChiComCat on October 29, 2019, 02:11:07 PM
Do you guys measure vacation in full 7 day weeks or 5 day business weeks? This is something I've always wondered about other people.
Like is 4 weeks 28 days or 20 days?
20 everywhere that I've been. I've seen people shocked it's not 28 but can't imagine a business exists that does it that way.
Post by: ben ji on October 29, 2019, 02:29:24 PM
1. Fox News
2. The Weather Channel
3. CNBC
On monday the TV closest to my desk was on the weather channel most of the day and I changed it to CNBC.
This morning I came in and it was on Fox News so I changed it back to CNBC as I was walking to my desk.
I just got back from lunch and it had been changed back to Fox News.
How far/petty should I take the changing of the channel war that has just started? I'm about 90% sure I know who is changing the channel but they have not done it in front of me and honestly I don't care besides the whole "Winning the channel changing war" thing.
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Post by: steve dave on October 29, 2019, 05:02:49 PM
Do you guys measure vacation in full 7 day weeks or 5 day business weeks? This is something I've always wondered about other people.
Like is 4 weeks 28 days or 20 days?
Just in days. I’ve never heard it referred to as weeks.
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Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 29, 2019, 07:23:18 PM
military and federal law enforcement will refer to it as weeks sometimes.Do you guys measure vacation in full 7 day weeks or 5 day business weeks? This is something I've always wondered about other people.
Like is 4 weeks 28 days or 20 days?
Just in days. I’ve never heard it referred to as weeks.
Post by: michigancat on October 29, 2019, 08:00:56 PM
And then it's usually translated into a rate where you get 1/26 of 2 weeks or whatever added to your PTO balance every paycheck. That's how it's been at most functioning organizations I've worked for.
Granted I've only worked at one place for the last four years where it's been unlimited. Recently they asked us to put the vacation requests into ADP! Even though it's unlimited! (really it's probably good because more people take not enough rather than too much)
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 29, 2019, 08:18:52 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 29, 2019, 08:20:32 PM
I’ve only worked for one company but interview and hire shitloads of people from other companies and adjacent sectors. I think it’s probably industry culture on time off/vacation/PTO. In financial services (and being a professional pilot) it’s days.
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My last job separated vacation (increases by weeks/five days) and "flex holidays" or some bullshit. I think you had to take a flex day every quarter or something. Made no sense to me
Post by: IPA4Me on October 29, 2019, 09:46:39 PM
When I was in the Navy, we did days and weekends counted. :(
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Post by: ben ji on October 30, 2019, 08:38:32 AM
Take the remote
No remote, just some small box connected to TV that lets you go up or down 1 channel.
Just changed it to the weather channel when I came it...
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Post by: hemmy on November 01, 2019, 10:08:32 AM
It's in the name
What, you can just work whenever you feel like it? Is it paid time off?
It just means its not tracked, and you can take however much vacation your boss will allow you to take - yes its paid.
Sounds like people in this thread have crap jobs/bosses.
Some think its a scam because some people are too stupid to use it. When there is no accrued time to "lose" people often end up taking less time off. But that is their own fault for being dumbasses.
Post by: OB_Won on November 01, 2019, 10:59:19 AM
Agreed. It's only a problem when the employee is already a problem.It's in the name
What, you can just work whenever you feel like it? Is it paid time off?
It just means its not tracked, and you can take however much vacation your boss will allow you to take - yes its paid.
Sounds like people in this thread have crap jobs/bosses.
Some think its a scam because some people are too stupid to use it. When there is no accrued time to "lose" people often end up taking less time off. But that is their own fault for being dumbasses.
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Post by: steve dave on November 07, 2019, 10:47:37 AM
i have a travel/mostly remote job with very few in-office expectations and i don't know that i'll ever be able to go back
I spent the last two weeks in the office with a new hire and it was very refreshing. But I’m happy to be back at my home office in joggers.
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Post by: sys on November 07, 2019, 12:10:56 PM
i have a travel/mostly remote job with very few in-office expectations and i don't know that i'll ever be able to go back
i'll never voluntarily go back and i don't think i'd be capable if it was forced upon me.
Post by: ChiComCat on November 07, 2019, 12:20:54 PM
i have a travel/mostly remote job with very few in-office expectations and i don't know that i'll ever be able to go back
i'll never voluntarily go back and i don't think i'd be capable if it was forced upon me.
I would convince myself that I liked the change for a week and then realize how much I missed the home office.
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Post by: sys on November 07, 2019, 12:53:47 PM
Data point: I was so hung over I laid in my bed for 2 hours this morning with my laptop next to me so I could respond to IM’s.
you did good.
Post by: eastcat on November 07, 2019, 10:13:16 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 07, 2019, 10:31:16 PM
Drink less.LOL what did I miss
Post by: Spracne on November 07, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
Man I was pretty faced last night.@michigancat
Choo choo has removed it from the record. I will respect his privacy. If he wants to tell you, he can.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 07, 2019, 10:40:21 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 07, 2019, 10:53:00 PM
Well played, spracs. You’ve always been my favorite hawk for a reason and my wife doesn’t even mind it. ;)Two days ago, I was abruptly informed I needed to be in the federal court in Kansas City for an emergency hearing today! Quite unusual, given economics. It ended up getting cancelled, but if the siren's song ever brings me that way for real we should get TBT-level drunk.
Post by: 8manpick on November 08, 2019, 07:00:21 AM
i have a travel/mostly remote job with very few in-office expectations and i don't know that i'll ever be able to go backI’ve only been remote for 5 months, but they are going to have to pry it from my cold dead hands
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 08, 2019, 09:37:29 AM
Yes please!Well played, spracs. You’ve always been my favorite hawk for a reason and my wife doesn’t even mind it. ;)Two days ago, I was abruptly informed I needed to be in the federal court in Kansas City for an emergency hearing today! Quite unusual, given economics. It ended up getting cancelled, but if the siren's song ever brings me that way for real we should get TBT-level drunk.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on November 12, 2019, 02:19:14 AM
Just made a pot of coffee if you want to know how work is going.
Yep. Still working. :chainsaw:
Post by: chum1 on March 11, 2020, 11:36:10 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 11, 2020, 03:59:30 PM
I'll be working from home full time due to COVID19. :Woot:NOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2020, 11:45:25 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 15, 2020, 11:52:17 AM
Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
Post by: Spracne on March 15, 2020, 05:52:48 PM
I'm curious about this, too. Will check back at 3 A.M. to find out.Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
Post by: bucket on March 15, 2020, 06:23:08 PM
I'm curious about this, too. Will check back at 3 A.M. to find out.Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
Been thinking about job searching since late last year. The best time to move on would be May. I think I will be sticking around.
Post by: mocat on March 15, 2020, 06:28:23 PM
HehI'm curious about this, too. Will check back at 3 A.M. to find out.Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2020, 02:59:17 AM
I'm curious about this, too. Will check back at 3 A.M. to find out.Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
:ROFL: 2:56AM to be precise.
I am concerned about the offer being rescinded. The job is essentially monitoring a state funded program in roughly a dozen secondary schools statewide. With school possibly being done for the rest of the year, I don't know what is going to happen. In addition to this, the timing of leaving my current job any later than mid-April accounts to a death sentence and would flush nearly a decade of work down the toilet. Having to cancel summer camp on account of the rona may, ironically enough, actually help me personally.
Post by: Spracne on March 16, 2020, 03:01:49 AM
I'm curious about this, too. Will check back at 3 A.M. to find out.Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
:ROFL: 2:56AM to be precise.
I am concerned about the offer being rescinded. The job is essentially monitoring a state funded program in roughly a dozen secondary schools statewide. With school possibly being done for the rest of the year, I don't know what is going to happen. In addition to this, the timing of leaving my current job any later than mid-April accounts to a death sentence and would flush nearly a decade of work down the toilet. Having to cancel summer camp on account of the rona may, ironically enough, actually help me personally.
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Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
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This shows just how out of touch Washington is with Small business - once again. This could easily put us out of business. If I recall we may get a full tax credit sometimes in 2021- it will all be over well before then. It seems to me that I’d be better if closing all my stores and warehouse now - and push all to unemployment- thus avoiding the above penalties for those that fall into the above as the virus progresses.
Can we have a call tomorrow to confirm or deny my fears?? It is possible I could be completely wrong on this- I hope so!
Please advise.
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Can we talk at 9:30 tomorrow?
On Average - $12 per hour/8 hrs per day- 10 days- 275 employees= $264k? Possible exposure ?! Hopefully I’m way over calculating...
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Post by: Pete on March 22, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
Forgot to update here, I was finally given a contract and signed it. I have one month left as a camp director, on to the next. 20 years, Damn.
Congrats!
Post by: 8manpick on March 25, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
Post by: Trim on March 25, 2020, 05:24:12 PM
Maybe not the right thread, but our leadership is so rough ridin' worried about not being able to keep a close eye on everything that we are spending 1-2 hours a day for planning and update meetings.
Do you work at Apple?
Post by: 8manpick on March 25, 2020, 05:24:48 PM
I do not. Do you?Maybe not the right thread, but our leadership is so rough ridin' worried about not being able to keep a close eye on everything that we are spending 1-2 hours a day for planning and update meetings.
Do you work at Apple?
Post by: Trim on March 25, 2020, 05:52:40 PM
Maybe not the right thread, but our leadership is so rough ridin' worried about not being able to keep a close eye on everything that we are spending 1-2 hours a day for planning and update meetings.
Do you work at Apple?
I do not.
Not the right thread.
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Post by: 8manpick on March 25, 2020, 06:30:21 PM
Yeah I’ve been that guy ITT too :blush:Maybe not the right thread, but our leadership is so rough ridin' worried about not being able to keep a close eye on everything that we are spending 1-2 hours a day for planning and update meetings.
Do you work at Apple?
I do not.
Not the right thread.
Post by: halfEmpty on April 10, 2020, 07:49:42 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 10, 2020, 07:51:29 PM
Had a job interview today on zoom. Kids were upstairs and we were in the last 15 mins of said interview. One of their tablets went dead and they decided to unplug my wifi router so they could plug in their tablet... I know one of my interviewers and sent her a text telling her what happened. Once i got back in to the interview everyone was laughing hysterically. Can only help my chances right?
Anyone who isn't a monster is finding joy in interruptions or disruptions from kids, pets, or family.
Post by: 8manpick on April 10, 2020, 07:56:52 PM
Had a job interview today on zoom. Kids were upstairs and we were in the last 15 mins of said interview. One of their tablets went dead and they decided to unplug my wifi router so they could plug in their tablet... I know one of my interviewers and sent her a text telling her what happened. Once i got back in to the interview everyone was laughing hysterically. Can only help my chances right?The only way it could hurt is if it isn’t a place you would want to be
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Post by: catastrophe on April 10, 2020, 08:12:12 PM
100%Had a job interview today on zoom. Kids were upstairs and we were in the last 15 mins of said interview. One of their tablets went dead and they decided to unplug my wifi router so they could plug in their tablet... I know one of my interviewers and sent her a text telling her what happened. Once i got back in to the interview everyone was laughing hysterically. Can only help my chances right?The only way it could hurt is if it isn’t a place you would want to be
Post by: steve dave on April 10, 2020, 08:34:42 PM
Had a job interview today on zoom. Kids were upstairs and we were in the last 15 mins of said interview. One of their tablets went dead and they decided to unplug my wifi router so they could plug in their tablet... I know one of my interviewers and sent her a text telling her what happened. Once i got back in to the interview everyone was laughing hysterically. Can only help my chances right?
yes. also what 8man said
Post by: halfEmpty on April 11, 2020, 07:17:47 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on April 17, 2020, 02:27:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 17, 2020, 09:04:55 PM
Post by: Trim on April 17, 2020, 09:26:58 PM
Post by: Spracne on April 17, 2020, 10:06:41 PM
I’m waiting for bqqkie to start a gates thread and it eventually becoming all about fence doors and crap.
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Post by: halfEmpty on April 17, 2020, 10:19:28 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 17, 2020, 11:15:49 PM
Got the job. Start in 3 weeks. It was actually really hard to step down from my current job.What's the office situation with shelter in place? Essential business?
Post by: sys on April 17, 2020, 11:22:20 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 18, 2020, 12:06:38 AM
Post by: halfEmpty on April 18, 2020, 01:32:58 AM
Got the job. Start in 3 weeks. It was actually really hard to step down from my current job.What's the office situation with shelter in place? Essential business?
I work in government. I've been working from home for a month. I'm just changing jobs to a different government. Onboarding is all virtual. On my first day, I'll go in, get my badge and my computer and then proceed to go home and work. Very different. I'll also meet my employees for the first time via zoom. I've met most of them at conferences or cross meetings before, so I won't be going in ice cold. The biggest change will be going from a highly technical position to a position where I'm managing employees.
Post by: halfEmpty on April 18, 2020, 01:42:58 AM
changing jobs at this point in time is some serious balls. so is hiring new employees, so i'm glad you found a suitable match.
When I applied, I assumed interviews and onboarding would be delayed until the lockdowns were lifted. I was officially hired 14 days after applying(contingent offer was 10 days after) and they are eager for me to start. In government, there are hiring freezes or slowdowns, but they will break those guidelines if they want/need to fill a position.
Post by: steve dave on April 18, 2020, 06:30:56 AM
changing jobs at this point in time is some serious balls. so is hiring new employees, so i'm glad you found a suitable match.
I hired a guy on 4/1. it's been a bizarre onboarding experience.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 18, 2020, 12:05:53 PM
Post by: halfEmpty on April 18, 2020, 02:10:42 PM
Is this new job going to take away your bread pron time?
Nah, I am on my last loaf right now, so a new batch will be baking here pretty soon. Until we move I will have to commute for a bit so it will cut out of family time for a couple months (once I am actually able to go to the office)
Post by: MakeItRain on April 20, 2020, 01:44:26 PM
changing jobs at this point in time is some serious balls. so is hiring new employees, so i'm glad you found a suitable match.
I'm still on board to start on 5/4. I got an email today asking for a bio for the board and the website, starting to feel like it's actually going to happen. I was told my first week will be on site :ohno: :runaway: :pray:
Today, the start of my last week at my new job, is the first day I "worked" from home. The work has consisted of setting up the internet, all of the Rokus, and after I slam this pizza, I'm going to assemble my mower and arrange my garage.
Post by: ben ji on August 25, 2020, 05:42:07 PM
Around 4 years ago 6 people including a couple I knew from previous jobs started a new company under the umbrella of a larger parent company. I was the 12th employee hired and over the past couple of years we have grown to around 80 employee's(pre covid), just rocking and rolling.
Back in March (not sure if it was all covid related or not) our parent company, which had pretty much left us alone, started to get more involved in our company and I could tell some higher ups in our company were not happy with it.
In June our VP (2nd in command and one of the founders) left the company. Then today 2 employee's (director level and hired before me) resigned. I called one of them up and we chatted for a bit but he was kind of vague saying "I just wasn't happy, I've saved some money and am going to take a couple of months off before taking a new job in October, have a couple of offers. We can discuss more later, just keep your head down and grind away". All 3 of these people have been my boss at some point and I have good relations with all of them.
Anyone had anything like this happen? I've got a couple of thoughts on the situation and will list them in order of likely hood.
1. They are totally going to start a new company in the same industry. (If not I now have 3 solid contacts in the industry that will be working elsewhere)
2. They just got pissed at the parent company meddling in our business and peaced out.
3. Our company or our parent company is not in a good financial position. (I'm pretty confident our company is good but I have no idea about the parent company).
Either way its not good, our Managing Director (#1 in our company) sent out an email around 5 basically saying "I know lots of you have questions and I will have more updates on Thursday"
Post by: ben ji on August 25, 2020, 05:51:06 PM
Also this brings into focus some advice I've seen multiple times about how your loyalty(not sure if thats the right word) should be to your bosses/co-workers and not to the company. As the great Darcy Sears from Varsity Blues once said "Things Change Mox"
Post by: michigancat on August 25, 2020, 06:01:17 PM
So hey guyz, been a crazy day at work...I'll start with a little backstory
Around 4 years ago 6 people including a couple I knew from previous jobs started a new company under the umbrella of a larger parent company. I was the 12th employee hired and over the past couple of years we have grown to around 80 employee's(pre covid), just rocking and rolling.
Back in March (not sure if it was all covid related or not) our parent company, which had pretty much left us alone, started to get more involved in our company and I could tell some higher ups in our company were not happy with it.
In June our VP (2nd in command and one of the founders) left the company. Then today 2 employee's (director level and hired before me) resigned. I called one of them up and we chatted for a bit but he was kind of vague saying "I just wasn't happy, I've saved some money and am going to take a couple of months off before taking a new job in October, have a couple of offers. We can discuss more later, just keep your head down and grind away". All 3 of these people have been my boss at some point and I have good relations with all of them.
Anyone had anything like this happen? I've got a couple of thoughts on the situation and will list them in order of likely hood.
1. They are totally going to start a new company in the same industry. (If not I now have 3 solid contacts in the industry that will be working elsewhere)
2. They just got pissed at the parent company meddling in our business and peaced out.
3. Our company or our parent company is not in a good financial position. (I'm pretty confident our company is good but I have no idea about the parent company).
Either way its not good, our Managing Director (#1 in our company) sent out an email around 5 basically saying "I know lots of you have questions and I will have more updates on Thursday"
it could be a combination of 2 and 3. sounds like the outgoing folks signed non-competes of some sort.
Was one of them your boss? You might have opportunities to step up/have more freedom regardless. My advice is try to make it a positive as much as possible - turnover like that sucks but make the most of it.
Post by: michigancat on August 25, 2020, 06:03:10 PM
I'm in sales and landed a whale back in March which will pay some phat commission checks until next summer so I'm not really looking to leave unless they stop paying those checks.
Also this brings into focus some advice I've seen multiple times about how your loyalty(not sure if thats the right word) should be to your bosses/co-workers and not to the company. As the great Darcy Sears from Varsity Blues once said "Things Change Mox"
your loyalty should be to whoever's paying you the most money/making you happiest. eff your bosses and coworkers (and current company) tbh
(granted good people can factor into the happiness equation but I've been mumped by good bosses before, assume they will always put themselves ahead of you)
Post by: ben ji on August 25, 2020, 06:13:56 PM
I'm in sales and landed a whale back in March which will pay some phat commission checks until next summer so I'm not really looking to leave unless they stop paying those checks.
Also this brings into focus some advice I've seen multiple times about how your loyalty(not sure if thats the right word) should be to your bosses/co-workers and not to the company. As the great Darcy Sears from Varsity Blues once said "Things Change Mox"
your loyalty should be to whoever's paying you the most money/making you happiest. eff your bosses and coworkers (and current company) tbh
(granted good people can factor into the happiness equation but I've been mumped by good bosses before, assume they will always put themselves ahead of you)
Valid point but I would trust 2 of the 3 people that left not to eff me....the point I was trying to get across was that with them in charge I felt confident about the direction of the company, now...not so much.
Post by: michigancat on August 25, 2020, 06:15:58 PM
I'm in sales and landed a whale back in March which will pay some phat commission checks until next summer so I'm not really looking to leave unless they stop paying those checks.
Also this brings into focus some advice I've seen multiple times about how your loyalty(not sure if thats the right word) should be to your bosses/co-workers and not to the company. As the great Darcy Sears from Varsity Blues once said "Things Change Mox"
your loyalty should be to whoever's paying you the most money/making you happiest. eff your bosses and coworkers (and current company) tbh
(granted good people can factor into the happiness equation but I've been mumped by good bosses before, assume they will always put themselves ahead of you)
Valid point but I would trust 2 of the 3 people that left not to eff me....the point I was trying to get across was that with them in charge I felt confident about the direction of the company, now...not so much.
that makes sense. I'd hear the managing director out. (is this a euro company or what)
Post by: chum1 on August 25, 2020, 07:32:38 PM
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Post by: mocat on August 25, 2020, 07:43:37 PM
I've always held the the view that I will be as loyal to my employer as my employer is to me. Which is hardly at all. But I feel like my working life improved immensely when I started thinking of my employer as less of a partner and more of an adversary.
That seems weird to me, could you elaborate? I work for a small company so it's hard for me to think that way
Post by: chum1 on August 25, 2020, 08:10:00 PM
I've always held the the view that I will be as loyal to my employer as my employer is to me. Which is hardly at all. But I feel like my working life improved immensely when I started thinking of my employer as less of a partner and more of an adversary.
That seems weird to me, could you elaborate? I work for a small company so it's hard for me to think that way
My last two employers have been small businesses. I don't mean not to be friendly or work well with anyone. Much better to get along well with everyone! I mean don't let yourself get taken advantage of. Get all the money you can out of them. Don't feel obligated to work after hours. Or obligated to work too hard for them. Kinda be your own union, I guess. But nicely!
Post by: Kat Kid on August 25, 2020, 08:15:28 PM
Post by: sys on August 25, 2020, 08:15:53 PM
I’m pretty loyal to my employer but they have earned that loyalty.
same.
Post by: michigancat on August 25, 2020, 08:28:36 PM
I've always held the the view that I will be as loyal to my employer as my employer is to me. Which is hardly at all. But I feel like my working life improved immensely when I started thinking of my employer as less of a partner and more of an adversary.
That seems weird to me, could you elaborate? I work for a small company so it's hard for me to think that way
My last two employers have been small businesses. I don't mean not to be friendly or work well with anyone. Much better to get along well with everyone! I mean don't let yourself get taken advantage of. Get all the money you can out of them. Don't feel obligated to work after hours. Or obligated to work too hard for them. Kinda be your own union, I guess. But nicely!
yeah. Basically, be loyal to yourself because the company will drop you like a bad habit. Maximize your earnings/personal growth/happiness at the expense of the company every time. Obviously there's a bit of a balance in that you can't completely eff them over but nothing wrong with taking an afternoon nap when you WFH if everyone's satisfied
and obviously if you work for a weird euro golden goose company you probably won't find many better deals everywhere so you end up in a rare case where companies maximize your earnings/personal growth/happiness and everyone's loyal to everyone
Post by: catastrophe on August 26, 2020, 10:23:48 AM
I’m also a believer in building “good will” equity that gives you a lot more flexibility to call your own shots when you’ve been around for a while.
Post by: cfbandyman on August 26, 2020, 12:05:48 PM
I'm in sales and landed a whale back in March which will pay some phat commission checks until next summer so I'm not really looking to leave unless they stop paying those checks.
Also this brings into focus some advice I've seen multiple times about how your loyalty(not sure if thats the right word) should be to your bosses/co-workers and not to the company. As the great Darcy Sears from Varsity Blues once said "Things Change Mox"
your loyalty should be to whoever's paying you the most money/making you happiest. eff your bosses and coworkers (and current company) tbh
(granted good people can factor into the happiness equation but I've been mumped by good bosses before, assume they will always put themselves ahead of you)
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Post by: cfbandyman on August 26, 2020, 12:28:37 PM
I don’t think I’ve held a job in my life for less than like 1-2 years, but I’ve never considered myself loyal. More of a combo of lazy + fairly certain there are not better options elsewhere.
I’m also a believer in building “good will” equity that gives you a lot more flexibility to call your own shots when you’ve been around for a while.
I generally feel this way. I do in general like my employer, and there are a lot of great people and decent to good bosses. I though definitely feel like though any job I jump to would not be significantly better or worse than this one (cause in general unless I make a huge career change, they are all going to be more or less similar, so why bother).
I am also though under no illusions about how my company operates when it comes to you. They will stick with you, but only to a point, and they will not hesitate to ask more and more out of you with not much extra in return. I don't need them to ride or die with me, just I know there is more expectation of loyalty from the company from you than they are willing to give in return. You sacrifice, they don't.
I def get michigancat on just be loyal to yourself, that is the better way.
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Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2021, 10:04:36 AM
We just moved to unlimited PTO as long as you're doing your job. I know this is popular at software companies and has been successful. Any of you have experience with it? The only thing that's sucked at my job is our benefits, so this is a huge win for wacky today.
Unlimited PTO is generally complete bullshit, especially if you don't have a clear backup for your job (which is common in most companies that offer unlimited PTO). There are a few people that abuse it, but most people end up taking less time off than if they had guaranteed PTO + they can't get paid out for days when they leave the company.
That said, my #1 recommendation is to go to weekday day MLB games on like Wednesday or Thursdays. So much fun and something I would never do if I had to take a real vacation day.
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Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2021, 10:12:27 AM
I've been in talks about moving to a new company and they have unlimited pto. It's one of the things I'm a bit apprehensive of because I prefer defined boundaries. The company, obviously, is trying to sell it as a perk because I mentioned that I want to maximize time for personal travel.
push them for what it really means. 3 weeks? 4 weeks? 6 weeks? expectations during PTO? for me it's been "around 4 weeks" but I doubt I've ever taken that much unless you add up random afternoons or sick days.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 10:22:29 AM
It's so they don't have to pay out any saved up pto when they can your assYeah, a lot of ppl who are shitty at their jobs seemed really concerned about this.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 10:23:16 AM
:thumbs: Sounds amaze!We just moved to unlimited PTO as long as you're doing your job. I know this is popular at software companies and has been successful. Any of you have experience with it? The only thing that's sucked at my job is our benefits, so this is a huge win for wacky today.
Unlimited PTO is generally complete bullshit, especially if you don't have a clear backup for your job (which is common in most companies that offer unlimited PTO). There are a few people that abuse it, but most people end up taking less time off than if they had guaranteed PTO + they can't get paid out for days when they leave the company.
That said, my #1 recommendation is to go to weekday day MLB games on like Wednesday or Thursdays. So much fun and something I would never do if I had to take a real vacation day.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 10:26:51 AM
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Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2021, 12:06:41 PM
Wacky, do not allow yourself to be deceived that "unlimited vacation" is a good thing for you as an employee. Listen to what people are telling you.
nah we're all just lazy
Post by: Kat Kid on October 22, 2021, 12:11:05 PM
Unfortunately the current plan in Congress, even if it passes, is a terrible fix because it just takes all the worst parts about our for profit health insurance industry and uses those to construct a cumbersome and inefficient system for adding paid leave.
I hate this crap.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 12:17:21 PM
No way, man. I'm just happy I can unplug for a week off now, from time to time, without ZERO CONSEQUENCES!Wacky, do not allow yourself to be deceived that "unlimited vacation" is a good thing for you as an employee. Listen to what people are telling you.
nah we're all just lazy
Post by: Spracne on October 22, 2021, 12:23:50 PM
No way, man. I'm just happy I can unplug for a week off now from time to time without ZERO CONSEQUENCES.Wacky, do not allow yourself to be deceived that "unlimited vacation" is a good thing for you as an employee. Listen to what people are telling you.
nah we're all just lazy
If true, good for you. But I have "unlimited vacation," and I wasn't able to take any "vacation" time until three years into my job. I can't imagine actually being able to take a week off here, a week off there, with ZERO CONSEQUENCES.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
It's so they don't have to pay out any saved up pto when they can your assYeah, a lot of ppl who are shitty at their jobs seemed really concerned about this.
People are much more likely to quit their job than they are to be fired.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 12:24:48 PM
Now a days, for sure.It's so they don't have to pay out any saved up pto when they can your assYeah, a lot of ppl who are shitty at their jobs seemed really concerned about this.
People are much more likely to quit their job than they are to be fired.
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2021, 12:26:15 PM
No way, man. I'm just happy I can unplug for a week off now from time to time without ZERO CONSEQUENCES.Wacky, do not allow yourself to be deceived that "unlimited vacation" is a good thing for you as an employee. Listen to what people are telling you.
nah we're all just lazy
If true, good for you. But I have "unlimited vacation," and I wasn't able to take any "vacation" time until three years into my job. I can't imagine actually being able to take a week off here, a week off there, with ZERO CONSEQUENCES.
yeah, you'll be more likely to face consequences completely unplugging during "unlimited PTO" than you would with traditional PTO. Unlimited PTO is looked at as "fake" to many employers. Like can you really turn off when it's unlimited?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 12:28:12 PM
I haven't used PTO since July I believe. My wife had a vacation freeze at work due to a project they had. I believe I had 4 days left for the year and I was going to use 3 of those Thanksgiving week for our trip to Florida and save a day for around the holidays. I was going to work that Monday down there. Now I put in a PTO day for that Monday and it got accepted right away and my boss said, "well deserved!". I'm definitely not going to take advantage of it. We usually have to put in our requests weeks in advance anyways.No way, man. I'm just happy I can unplug for a week off now from time to time without ZERO CONSEQUENCES.Wacky, do not allow yourself to be deceived that "unlimited vacation" is a good thing for you as an employee. Listen to what people are telling you.
nah we're all just lazy
If true, good for you. But I have "unlimited vacation," and I wasn't able to take any "vacation" time until three years into my job. I can't imagine actually being able to take a week off here, a week off there, with ZERO CONSEQUENCES.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2021, 12:28:43 PM
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Post by: Institutional Control on October 22, 2021, 12:32:31 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2021, 12:32:57 PM
I'm a finalist for an executive director job and if I get it I will put an unlimited pto plan in place but I will give the employees the option to grandfather themselves in to the plan. I think unlimited pto is a great perk if you didn't already spend years building up pto. Luckily this organization already has a cap on the amount of pto that can be carried over and paid out.
well, you shouldn't have to spend years building up PTO either
Post by: ben ji on October 22, 2021, 01:08:51 PM
I've lost a lot of candidates due to our shitty benefits and I think they're trying to show initiative of changes coming. They also talked about a 1% matching 401K for 2022, but dropped the ball there. 1/2 I guess isn't bad.Do they not currently match any of your 401k contributions?!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 01:09:49 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2021, 02:18:27 PM
I'm a finalist for an executive director job and if I get it I will put an unlimited pto plan in place but I will give the employees the option to grandfather themselves in to the plan. I think unlimited pto is a great perk if you didn't already spend years building up pto. Luckily this organization already has a cap on the amount of pto that can be carried over and paid out.
well, you shouldn't have to spend years building up PTO either
That isn't the point. Even at 1 year employed losing four weeks of a pto payout isn't fair if you've contractually earned it already.
Post by: Purple Derpathy on October 22, 2021, 02:36:39 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 22, 2021, 03:01:57 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2021, 05:27:33 PM
"Unlimited PTO" isn't really unlimited. They just choose to not tell you what the limit is, and you don't get any credit for falling under that limit.Great way to put it
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 05:32:42 PM
“Sigh. I’ll look into it. Honestly, they didn’t sound 100% like they knew what they were talking about when they rolled it out on the call this morning 🤣. So I’ll wait and see what it looks like on paper.”
Post by: Spracne on October 22, 2021, 06:01:44 PM
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Post by: ben ji on October 22, 2021, 09:12:31 PM
Also hold your horses for this, no one can take PTO in December
. It's our busiest month of the year (financial services company, FY year end etc/ large amount of our revenue comes in Dec) but then they make everyone take a week off during January. So I'll be chasing birds the second week of January or maybe going to a beach, haven't decided yet.
From talking with people who have been here a while they are pretty good with approving PTO the rest of the time so we will see.
Post by: Cardiac Cats on October 22, 2021, 09:14:47 PM
I'm a finalist for an executive director job and if I get it I will put an unlimited pto plan in place but I will give the employees the option to grandfather themselves in to the plan. I think unlimited pto is a great perk if you didn't already spend years building up pto. Luckily this organization already has a cap on the amount of pto that can be carried over and paid out.
Hope this means you can move south again.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2021, 09:26:11 PM
I started a new job in August with "unlimited PTO" and rolled my eyes at it, definitely a ploy to make sure they don't have to pay out X weeks when people quit/retire/get fired...my goal is to make sure I take at least the 3 weeks a year I had at my old job.I’m pretty tight with my boss and I know I’m one of the main reasons for this new implementation, because I bitched to him about how bad our benefits are. He heard me and addressed it & I feel I have to be on board with it at this point. He literally singled me out on the call this morning in front of 100 colleagues of why this movement is important for our company and families, etc. I think the new movement was meant in the best intentions, but there was a 1,000 questions afterwards, when they announced it and they weren’t ready to answer them. Hopefully it will be clearer soon.
Also hold your horses for this, no one can take PTO in December
So I'll be chasing birds the second week of January or maybe going to a beach, haven't decided yet.
From talking with people who have been here a while they are pretty good with approving PTO the rest of the time so we will see.
Post by: catastrophe on October 23, 2021, 09:58:57 AM
It is absolutely a boundaries issue to me: “hey hope you’re enjoying your vacation, obviously take all the time you want as long as your work is getting done. Speaking of, we’re you able to do X, Y, Z? Something came up and we need that ASAP now.”
I recently took a week off just cause and no one bugged me until literally the day the notification fell off their calendars: Saturday morning.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 23, 2021, 10:51:47 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2021, 03:50:22 PM
I'm a finalist for an executive director job and if I get it I will put an unlimited pto plan in place but I will give the employees the option to grandfather themselves in to the plan. I think unlimited pto is a great perk if you didn't already spend years building up pto. Luckily this organization already has a cap on the amount of pto that can be carried over and paid out.
Hope this means you can move south again.
Sticking my happy ass right here, if I take the position it's in River Bend though. We really gotta do lunch, I'm not available at all next week, but the week of the 1st we gotta make it happen. I want to go to Zora.
Post by: hemmy on October 24, 2021, 12:22:55 AM
"Unlimited PTO" isn't really unlimited. They just choose to not tell you what the limit is, and you don't get any credit for falling under that limit.
No. I had unlimited PTO for a long time. It all depends on who your boss is. Obviously you can't actually take 6 months of vacation per year.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 24, 2021, 08:35:52 AM
This is what I was thinking. Who’s your boss and have far have you gone with him before getting a new one."Unlimited PTO" isn't really unlimited. They just choose to not tell you what the limit is, and you don't get any credit for falling under that limit.
No. I had unlimited PTO for a long time. It all depends on who your boss is. Obviously you can't actually take 6 months of vacation per year.
Post by: Pete on October 24, 2021, 10:15:37 AM
So now it's really about whether you can hit your billable hours targets for the year. If you aren't on track to hit your billable hours targets (even through no fault of your own, like not being staffed on good gigs) then you better not take PTO unless you are cool with your raise and bonus being compromised.
But, it's hilarious how the campus hires are like "I really love how this firm has unlimited PTO!" LOL. :lol:
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Post by: Pete on October 24, 2021, 10:25:28 AM
I can see a new grad who gets no more than 1 week in year 1 and no more than 2 weeks until after year 5 could see it as a very real benefit. And they might be right! but again, hard to know, which is part of the con
Yep. If you work for a firm that focuses on billable hours, and are in the rare situation where as a know-nothing new college grad you can add enough value to rack up a ton of hours early in the year, then you could theoretically have a super fun last quarter taking time off....assuming they don't get staffed immediately on yet another gig, which is probable if you are valuable enough to have been highly billable on your last one. :fatty:
Post by: Pete on October 24, 2021, 10:27:09 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on October 24, 2021, 12:12:20 PM
What's the point of being given time off if you are always too busy so it's hard to even take it, if you do take it you are constantly being pinged for crap while trying to throw you phone into the nearest body of water out of frustration for being pinged, and also if you do take it the amount of extra work you worked over the *pick a time frame* means you aren't coming close to ever being rested or ready to do anything, you're in a hole you can't even come out of.
PTO is the biggest sham in the modern workplace it's not even close. And it is probably the one thing that gets me more up in arms about work than anything else.
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Post by: steve dave on December 21, 2021, 09:35:49 PM
Got promoted today, friends. I’ve came a long way in the last 7 years. I just wanted to thank @michigancat for help grooming me and my resume to get into this new field after meeting him IRL and say this is huge for my family and friends. Go cats and go friends and Happy Holidays! :cheers:
Congrats irl friend. Awesome work.
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Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2021, 07:41:23 AM
Got promoted today, friends. I’ve came a long way in the last 7 years. I just wanted to thank @michigancat for help grooming me and my resume to get into this new field after meeting him IRL and say this is huge for my family and friends. Go cats and go friends and Happy Holidays! :cheers:
nice, but it was all you my friend!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 22, 2021, 08:19:24 AM
honest to god there are so many tremendously talented people on this tiny old ass BBS that anyone who irl wants advice on life or career stuff you can find it here, if you come looking in good faith.It's very true!
Thank you! :combofan:Got promoted today, friends. I’ve came a long way in the last 7 years. I just wanted to thank @michigancat for help grooming me and my resume to get into this new field after meeting him IRL and say this is huge for my family and friends. Go cats and go friends and Happy Holidays! :cheers:
nice, but it was all you my friend!
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Post by: IPA4Me on December 22, 2021, 10:07:32 AM
I'm considering looking myself. Rumor that my employer is for sale and I'm not interested in working for the two possible buyers.
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Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2021, 10:11:50 AM
Congrats wacks.
I'm considering looking myself. Rumor that my employer is for sale and I'm not interested in working for the two possible buyers.
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might as well wait it out! if you have unvested shares sometimes they'll get vested as part of the sale
Post by: pissclams on December 22, 2021, 10:57:11 AM
more like jimcramercat
Post by: IPA4Me on December 22, 2021, 11:03:04 AM
We fully vest immediately in 401K. I will likely wait to see if it happens. I'm pretty comfortable with my role and income. Will still put out the feelers and have a few discreet conversations.Congrats wacks.
I'm considering looking myself. Rumor that my employer is for sale and I'm not interested in working for the two possible buyers.
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might as well wait it out! if you have unvested shares sometimes they'll get vested as part of the sale
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Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2021, 11:58:40 AM
We fully vest immediately in 401K. I will likely wait to see if it happens. I'm pretty comfortable with my role and income. Will still put out the feelers and have a few discreet conversations.Congrats wacks.
I'm considering looking myself. Rumor that my employer is for sale and I'm not interested in working for the two possible buyers.
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might as well wait it out! if you have unvested shares sometimes they'll get vested as part of the sale
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that sounds like a good plan
Post by: Kat Kid on December 22, 2021, 12:16:20 PM
Post by: steve dave on December 22, 2021, 12:16:51 PM
Mich cat how is my plan of working 20-24 more years and then taking my pension?You left out the keystone of your plan…..
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Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2022, 09:11:08 PM
I got a little bit of a promotion. One of the perks is unlimited PTO. Made me think of this thread.oh no
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Post by: michigancat on January 13, 2022, 09:14:43 PM
I got a little bit of a promotion. One of the perks is unlimited PTO. Made me think of this thread.How much paid do you have now?
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Post by: steve dave on January 14, 2022, 12:30:50 AM
I’ve had unlimited PTO for years and have hardly taken any time off.Yeah, no crap
Post by: TheHamburglar on January 14, 2022, 12:33:32 AM
I’ve had unlimited PTO for years and have hardly taken any time off.
Same. At this job I knew the owners before. I had 5 weeks at my previous job. When they were trying to hire me my wife told one of the owners I needed to have a lot of vacation. He just laughed & said I’d get unlimited because he knew I wouldn’t use it.
Apparently the accounting manager made them put in something so they put in 4 weeks. I never turned anything in. My office is next to hers. She kept track & I didn’t use half of it.
Post by: wetwillie on January 14, 2022, 06:32:28 AM
Post by: michigancat on January 14, 2022, 06:48:11 AM
Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
That's the beauty of unlimited vacation
(If you're an employer)
Post by: wetwillie on January 14, 2022, 07:53:01 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on January 14, 2022, 11:48:23 AM
Pfft. Hello Mr. Disney four times a year.I’ve had unlimited PTO for years and have hardly taken any time off.Yeah, no crap
Post by: Spracne on January 14, 2022, 11:59:47 AM
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Post by: Spracne on January 14, 2022, 12:08:20 PM
Honestly would also be a great business policy. I can see a perk like that potentially helping with productivity but definitely helping as a recruiting & retention tool.
It's an interesting thought, but get back to work. Those billable hours aren't going to bill themselves, are they?
Post by: michigancat on January 14, 2022, 12:16:58 PM
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-businesses/article/startup-implements-four-day-workweek-16751826.php
you see it quite a bit in manufacturing but generally not the corporate world. I had an internship that was a four day week and I rough ridin' loved it
Post by: star seed 7 on January 14, 2022, 12:18:54 PM
Post by: catastrophe on January 14, 2022, 12:33:19 PM
Fun fact: we tried “summer Fridays” last year at my work (Fridays off all month of August I think) and it didn’t make a bit of difference in people’s work schedules or satisfaction.
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Post by: mocat on January 14, 2022, 12:43:50 PM
Work Tuesday-Fri then
it's not friday-specific
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 14, 2022, 12:44:57 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 14, 2022, 02:26:50 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 14, 2022, 02:50:10 PM
4x8 or 4x10? I've worked 4x10 and it's preferable to 5x8 imo, 4x8 would be like the greatest thing ever.
My experience was 4x10's. I imagine a startup would be similar but without set hours
Post by: mocat on January 14, 2022, 03:25:54 PM
NE passed some law that requires my employer to pay it out each year (other than 5 days I can roll) if I don't use it all.
i wonder if MO passed something similar because my company's policy just changed to this. previously you could roll over 5 days but you lost whatever you didn't use over that
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Post by: Stupid Fitz on January 14, 2022, 03:38:50 PM
I have an exorbitant amount of PTO and NE passed some law that requires my employer to pay it out each year (other than 5 days I can roll) if I don't use it all.
No PTO for us, just a bunch of vacation and some personal days. Vacation time goes up based on years worked. I don't even know how much I get, but its plenty. We used to be able to carry over whatever we wanted but they decided to cut it at like 2 or 3 weeks. That year we got paid out for everything above the limit was amaze.
Post by: farming_cat fan on January 14, 2022, 03:46:30 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 14, 2022, 03:51:49 PM
Post by: sys on January 14, 2022, 05:13:33 PM
4x8 or 4x10? I've worked 4x10 and it's preferable to 5x8 imo, 4x8 would be like the greatest thing ever.
4x10s is far better than 5x8s. back when i was on salary we had a project for a while where we did 7 days every two weeks. that was really nice.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 14, 2022, 05:28:15 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on January 14, 2022, 05:46:26 PM
Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
Because they bought a place that was a mess, put me in charge of operations with very little oversight & I effectively have equity.
Post by: Spracne on January 14, 2022, 06:00:55 PM
Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
Because they bought a place that was a mess, put me in charge of operations with very little oversight & I effectively have equity.
What is effective equity, if you don't mind me asking?
Post by: wetwillie on January 14, 2022, 06:14:50 PM
Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
Because they bought a place that was a mess, put me in charge of operations with very little oversight & I effectively have equity.
Sounds terrible, hopefully you get to make up for it this year with some nice vacations.
Post by: TheHamburglar on January 14, 2022, 06:30:11 PM
Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
Because they bought a place that was a mess, put me in charge of operations with very little oversight & I effectively have equity.
What is effective equity, if you don't mind me asking?
I’ll have ownership 5 years. There’s a free different paths for me to get it, depending on how well the company does & what I want to execute. There’s also paths to ownership in sister businesses I’ve started to invest in with cross pollinated investors.
Post by: Spracne on January 14, 2022, 06:36:59 PM
Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
Because they bought a place that was a mess, put me in charge of operations with very little oversight & I effectively have equity.
What is effective equity, if you don't mind me asking?
There’s also paths to ownership in sister businesses I’ve started to invest in with cross pollinated investors.
Not the Bees, I hope?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 31, 2022, 02:13:30 AM
Post by: Cire on January 31, 2022, 05:48:46 AM
I'm leaving education administration this week, Friday is my last day, and I couldn't be happier. I am going back to the summer camp industry. I have to set up a home office because I will be working from home September-May but at camp during the late spring and summer. Running a nonprofit camp is what brought me to Iowa. I will not be running two for profit camps that are a part of a corporation, I report to the corporate CEO. Time for a new adventure, hopefully the last one. I am too damn old to keep switching jobs.Now you can grift magas by writing a tell all about how education was indoctrinating kids to communism so you left.
Sell books and charge for speaking etc.
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Post by: IPA4Me on January 31, 2022, 05:48:49 AM
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Post by: wetwillie on January 31, 2022, 07:48:00 AM
Post by: Pete on January 31, 2022, 07:54:11 AM
Every once in awhile I think about Keynes predicting a 15 hour work week by 2030 and try to push it out of my mind before I self harm.
:lol: :cry: :lol:
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 07:57:18 AM
I want a different job. I make great money but this job is boring as eff. Same crap. Every month. Rinse and repeat. I need something less repetitive.Does the opportunity for the variety you want exist in your company or industry?
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Post by: sys on January 31, 2022, 08:02:13 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2022, 08:04:30 AM
Post by: KCFDcat on January 31, 2022, 10:37:27 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 31, 2022, 10:39:50 AM
Post by: wetwillie on January 31, 2022, 11:48:18 AM
I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
Post by: KCFDcat on January 31, 2022, 12:15:30 PM
I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
Well I’ve already done one of those things.
Post by: IPA4Me on January 31, 2022, 12:19:18 PM
Small-ish company for my level. So probably have to look elsewhere. I'll keep cashing checks and looking. Might contact an industry headhunter or enable my job search on LI.I want a different job. I make great money but this job is boring as eff. Same crap. Every month. Rinse and repeat. I need something less repetitive.Does the opportunity for the variety you want exist in your company or industry?
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Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 12:31:50 PM
Small-ish company for my level. So probably have to look elsewhere. I'll keep cashing checks and looking. Might contact an industry headhunter or enable my job search on LI.I want a different job. I make great money but this job is boring as eff. Same crap. Every month. Rinse and repeat. I need something less repetitive.Does the opportunity for the variety you want exist in your company or industry?
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could you stay where you are and find the options you're looking for? would you move, maybe after you're an empty nester?
Post by: Cire on January 31, 2022, 12:35:42 PM
I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
my neighbor is a retired firefighter and he works for big construction companies as like a safety inspector or OSHAA compliance guy or something. He's quit like 3 times and then they offer more money to come back and work.
Post by: wetwillie on January 31, 2022, 12:38:59 PM
I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
Well I’ve already done one of those things.
Oh that’s right I forgot lol, is there an adjacent industry to the FD that is a lot more lucrative in private sector? Like selling fire equipment to the department or doing trainings?
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 01:03:51 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on January 31, 2022, 01:17:02 PM
I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
Well I’ve already done one of those things.
Oh that’s right I forgot lol, is there an adjacent industry to the FD that is a lot more lucrative in private sector? Like selling fire equipment to the department or doing trainings?
I think if I left I would rather just get away from all things FD related. I'm pretty burnt out and can't really imagine myself selling fire apparatus or equipment. (I do know a lot of retirees that do those things though, seems like a decent part time gig)
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 01:18:21 PM
I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
Well I’ve already done one of those things.
Oh that’s right I forgot lol, is there an adjacent industry to the FD that is a lot more lucrative in private sector? Like selling fire equipment to the department or doing trainings?
I think if I left I would rather just get away from all things FD related. I'm pretty burnt out and can't really imagine myself selling fire apparatus or equipment. (I do know a lot of retirees that do those things though, seems like a decent part time gig)
heh
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2022, 01:18:32 PM
Post by: KCFDcat on January 31, 2022, 01:19:01 PM
I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
my neighbor is a retired firefighter and he works for big construction companies as like a safety inspector or OSHAA compliance guy or something. He's quit like 3 times and then they offer more money to come back and work.
I've definitely considered construction industry. Have also considered going to PA school, wouldn't be interested in emergency medicine but I could see myself being happy in a clinic or family practice type setting
Post by: KCFDcat on January 31, 2022, 01:19:55 PM
flip to the other side of the business and be an arsonist or just a really clumsy fire starting guy
man I'd be so great at this.
Post by: CHONGS on January 31, 2022, 01:20:42 PM
Post by: Trim on January 31, 2022, 01:20:53 PM
flip to the other side of the business and be an arsonist or just a really clumsy fire starting guy
man I'd be so great at this.
gE was once looking to fill this position figuratively.
Post by: DQ12 on January 31, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
Based on my experience, fireplace repair people ought to be billionaires.
Post by: IPA4Me on January 31, 2022, 03:23:29 PM
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Post by: MadCat on January 31, 2022, 03:34:35 PM
I used to know a retired FD guy who would inspect and sign-off on fire extinguishers, etc. at businesses annually.I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
Well I’ve already done one of those things.
Oh that’s right I forgot lol, is there an adjacent industry to the FD that is a lot more lucrative in private sector? Like selling fire equipment to the department or doing trainings?
I think if I left I would rather just get away from all things FD related. I'm pretty burnt out and can't really imagine myself selling fire apparatus or equipment. (I do know a lot of retirees that do those things though, seems like a decent part time gig)
Post by: ben ji on March 01, 2022, 09:25:00 PM
One of the owners sons had dropped out/got kicked out of KU etc and was working for the company while he "went" to JUCO and lived at home...Also he couldn't drive because he had a dui...but he was close to my age so we were kind of work friends. This was around 2010'ish
One day he asked me if I wanted to buy his flat screen TV he was selling for $100 because he was getting a new one. This was a hell of a deal back in the day so I said sure and told him I'd give him a ride home after work to grab it (remember, he can't drive).
We leave work and head to his parents house (AKA my bosses) to grab the TV. On the way there he calls up his weed dealer to place an order with the money he is getting from selling the TV, whatever dude, I dont care. Then he tells me to stop by the liquor store by his house so he can grab some beer...whatever dude, I just want this TV for dirt cheap.
Finally we pull into his parents McMansion in south OP and he causally mentions...Alright, lets hurry up before my parents get home...I'm kind of shocked but I'm fully committed at this point.
We go down into the basement where his little brother (16ish?) is playing video games on this 32inch flatscreen and he just starts unplugging everything, says "GAME OVER", then hands it to me and says "You should probably leave before my parents get home"
:horrorsurprise:
I left the company a couple of months later and that guy still works there along with his little brother.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 01, 2022, 09:32:38 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2022, 07:08:56 AM
Post by: meow meow on March 02, 2022, 07:45:50 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 02, 2022, 07:59:23 AM
(https://c.tenor.com/E3WCe-24PIsAAAAd/obama-why.gif)
Post by: IPA4Me on March 02, 2022, 01:45:41 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 02, 2022, 01:51:53 PM
Lil Flip'd his ass
Post by: ben ji on March 02, 2022, 02:06:18 PM
Lol at "Lil flip'd his ass"
Lil Flip'd his ass
Post by: MakeItRain on March 02, 2022, 06:18:41 PM
:lol: :lol:
Lil Flip'd his ass
:lol:
That's the best story I've read on here in quite a while
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2022, 09:05:21 AM
Post by: Cire on March 03, 2022, 09:27:24 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2022, 09:28:32 AM
Post by: kstate4life on March 03, 2022, 09:37:52 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2022, 10:18:24 AM
During the hours you consider to be "at work", how much of your time is actually spent working?
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2022, 10:40:17 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2022, 10:44:25 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on March 03, 2022, 10:45:34 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2022, 10:56:02 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2022, 10:57:20 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2022, 11:00:50 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2022, 11:31:54 AM
Granted the employee sucked but it still wasn't very much fun.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2022, 11:35:43 AM
Post by: chum1 on March 03, 2022, 12:01:51 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2022, 12:17:46 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 03, 2022, 12:29:20 PM
Softest generation, EVER!
Idk man, I've been getting some massive raises recently based largely on the fact that most of my peers don't like their jobs. Maybe this generation is actually smart and realizes that employers have a lot more cash to cough up to labor than they've been letting on.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2022, 12:33:02 PM
https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1499350855908265992
:emawkid:
Post by: ben ji on March 03, 2022, 01:06:55 PM
It's also alot easier to know what other people in your position/experience level make compared to 20 or so years ago.Softest generation, EVER!
Idk man, I've been getting some massive raises recently based largely on the fact that most of my peers don't like their jobs. Maybe this generation is actually smart and realizes that employers have a lot more cash to cough up to labor than they've been letting on.
Think you're underpaid? Just responded to a couple of Wackys that are jumping in your LinkedIn DMs and ask what the salary range is for that position.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2022, 01:09:38 PM
Post by: kstate4life on March 03, 2022, 01:19:25 PM
My job is super boring but I'm rough ridin' great at it so I just do nothing for a long time then work a few hours for a few days and then go back to doing nothing. Definitely rarely go over 50% in a day. I really wish my industry was more remote friendly because I could easily chum1 this bitch.
This is the same for me. I do work remote though, but a lot of what I do has to be done after hours. So during actual work hours I don't really do much, and have considered taking on a second gig.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2022, 01:26:56 PM
It's also alot easier to know what other people in your position/experience level make compared to 20 or so years ago.Softest generation, EVER!
Idk man, I've been getting some massive raises recently based largely on the fact that most of my peers don't like their jobs. Maybe this generation is actually smart and realizes that employers have a lot more cash to cough up to labor than they've been letting on.
Think you're underpaid? Just responded to a couple of Wackys that are jumping in your LinkedIn DMs and ask what the salary range is for that position.
I really need to set up a LinkedIn. I have been passively looking for a new job for about a year and about a month ago I decided it was time to leave so now I'm actively looking.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2022, 01:36:24 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2022, 01:43:33 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2022, 01:50:23 PM
I used Linkedin a lot at my old job. Not so much anymore, but I have way too many resources to know what to do with these days. It's a good problem to have.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 16, 2022, 10:46:16 AM
Why are people in the Northeast such cocksuckers to deal with? Where did their sense of bad person entitlement come from? Thanks, I'll hang-up and listen off the air.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 16, 2022, 10:51:48 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 16, 2022, 10:57:44 AM
Man, I'm not complaining, because what my company has done for me lately is amazing. Just something I wanted to reflect on.probably because they have to deal with assholes from San Francisco moving to their area. :D
Why are people in the Northeast such cocksuckers to deal with? Where did their sense of bad person entitlement come from? Thanks, I'll hang-up and listen off the air.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 16, 2022, 10:59:17 AM
been a while since I seen the ole cocksuckers used on a BBS. exciting.Not gonna lie, It felt good to get it off my chest. :)
Post by: steve dave on March 16, 2022, 11:51:01 AM
Post by: bucket on March 16, 2022, 12:03:35 PM
It’s cultural. They don’t intend it to be rude or mean. And old southern ladies calling you “shugga” can basically mean cocksucker based on tiny little subtleties that our Midwest brains/ears can’t hear.
I think the stereotype is that east coast tells you what they're thinking to your face whereas Midwesterners are nice to your face but talk a lot of crap behind your back.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 16, 2022, 12:07:44 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 16, 2022, 12:10:19 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on March 16, 2022, 12:15:57 PM
It’s cultural. They don’t intend it to be rude or mean. And old southern ladies calling you “shugga” can basically mean cocksucker based on tiny little subtleties that our Midwest brains/ears can’t hear.
I think the stereotype is that east coast tells you what they're thinking to your face whereas Midwesterners are nice to your face but talk a lot of crap behind your back.
That pretty much is it, it's like everyone thinking Canadians are nice when really they're hyper passive aggressive and you don't realize it.
FTR also wacky we got a vendor who's based out of NJ, and one of the guys is just the worst type of human being to deal with, regardless of being from NJ or not. They are in general more in your face.
Post by: ben ji on March 16, 2022, 12:21:02 PM
It’s cultural. They don’t intend it to be rude or mean. And old southern ladies calling you “shugga” can basically mean cocksucker based on tiny little subtleties that our Midwest brains/ears can’t hear.
I think the stereotype is that east coast tells you what they're thinking to your face whereas Midwesterners are nice to your face but talk a lot of crap behind your back.
That pretty much is it, it's like everyone thinking Canadians are nice when really they're hyper passive aggressive and you don't realize it.
FTR also wacky we got a vendor who's based out of NJ, and one of the guys is just the worst type of human being to deal with, regardless of being from NJ or not. They are in general more in your face.
The Canadians I have interacted with are all super nice.
(ben ji making a sales call to the northeast)
"Yeah, I know about your product and told the last guy to stop rough ridin' calling me so now I'm telling you the same thing"
(ben ji making a sales call to Canada)
"Oh ya, I remember your company. In fact we looked into it last year with one of your co-workers. It's a great product but we just don't have a need for it right now, ya know? Sure sure, follow up with me in 6 months."
Post by: ben ji on March 16, 2022, 12:22:34 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 16, 2022, 12:58:19 PM
Must be why they always lol at me for working remote in Kansas City.
People in places with a high cost of living need to feel superior to justify living there.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 16, 2022, 12:59:52 PM
Yeah, I usually wouldn't even bring up where I'm located. They just ask me where the hell I am, because my cell phone number starts off with 785...Must be why they always lol at me for working remote in Kansas City.
People in places with a high cost of living need to feel superior to justify living there.
Post by: michigancat on March 16, 2022, 03:20:48 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 16, 2022, 03:31:58 PM
everyone I work with is really nice. :dunno:Yikes! Mich is already in too deep and has lost his Midwestern roots. He thinks they're being nice to him. :frown:
JK
Post by: chum1 on April 06, 2022, 10:42:15 AM
https://twitter.com/girdley/status/1511316479106453511
Post by: star seed 7 on April 06, 2022, 11:04:06 AM
Post by: CHONGS on April 06, 2022, 11:09:32 AM
Post by: mocat on April 06, 2022, 11:12:41 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 06, 2022, 11:13:48 AM
Post by: CHONGS on April 06, 2022, 11:16:12 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 06, 2022, 11:20:35 AM
That all just seems like common sense
I'm not a manager of people, so it's not something I ever think about. But it's interesting to me that there are generation specific ways to motivate people at work.
Post by: mocat on April 06, 2022, 11:23:24 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 06, 2022, 11:27:01 AM
Post by: mocat on April 06, 2022, 11:31:20 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 06, 2022, 11:33:58 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 06, 2022, 11:40:24 AM
I worked with quite a few millennials for a couple of years. They were all about crap sandwiches, being part of a team, and doing good in the world as part of their job. I admired all of these traits, but ultimately was not as into that stuff as much as they were.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 06, 2022, 11:45:53 AM
Post by: Winters on April 06, 2022, 11:46:18 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 06, 2022, 11:52:47 AM
Post by: mocat on April 06, 2022, 11:56:50 AM
That is not at all how I've ever interpreted crap sandwich.
yeah to me a crap sandwich is just a terrible situation.
a compliment sandwich is where you deliver good news, followed by bad news, followed by good news.
Post by: catastrophe on April 06, 2022, 12:12:22 PM
I haven't really noticed too much of difference between x'rs and 'lenials except 'lenials do expect and assert more work/life balance. The zoomer interns we are starting to get seem like they just want work to be a party, which is weird to me but whatever. That could just be part of being young.Yeah zoomers are weird but I think a lot of that is a function of labor being so scarce right now. They feel like they can just bounce whenever it feels right and they’re not wrong.
I try to avoid managing people as much as I can. I hate it so much.
Post by: Winters on April 06, 2022, 12:17:13 PM
Micromanaging is one of my least favorite things to do.I haven't really noticed too much of difference between x'rs and 'lenials except 'lenials do expect and assert more work/life balance. The zoomer interns we are starting to get seem like they just want work to be a party, which is weird to me but whatever. That could just be part of being young.Yeah zoomers are weird but I think a lot of that is a function of labor being so scarce right now. They feel like they can just bounce whenever it feels right and they’re not wrong.
I try to avoid managing people as much as I can. I hate it so much.
Post by: CNS on April 06, 2022, 02:26:18 PM
So, moms calling companies to help their kids communicate with the boss is a thing now.
Also, as of like 10 years ago, I used to hate when someone would deliver bad or unwanted news via text rather than calling. Now I am comfortable with that, as it seems to be the way most people are comfortable doing such things. However, now, the new way to deliver bad or unwanted news is just to never ever show up, text, or call ever again. Texting is now too hard to do, emotionally, so ghosting is the new thing.
Post by: michigancat on April 06, 2022, 03:18:51 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on April 06, 2022, 03:30:57 PM
I haven't really noticed too much of difference between x'rs and 'lenials except 'lenials do expect and assert more work/life balance. The zoomer interns we are starting to get seem like they just want work to be a party, which is weird to me but whatever. That could just be part of being young.Yeah zoomers are weird but I think a lot of that is a function of labor being so scarce right now. They feel like they can just bounce whenever it feels right and they’re not wrong.
I try to avoid managing people as much as I can. I hate it so much.
Yeah, all our newbies are very um, unengaged imo for any sort of long time commitment, they definitely walk around with zero care about having a job or not and well due to the labor market I also can't blame them, and I think psychologically compared to them coming out from college where having any job was a minor miracle in the last 2000s/early 2010s makes me very :sdeek: at how cavalier they are with doing anything remotely difficult or inconvenient for them.
Post by: ChiComCat on April 06, 2022, 03:32:03 PM
That tweet guy should make one about zoomers. I feel like the second half of us X'ers are similar enough to Millennials that it feels easy enough to relate. The zoomers I have recently interviewed, hired, fired, etc are a conundrum. I literally had one of their moms call me recently about his job. He quit, then his mom called two weeks later and said he wanted to unquit but was too embarrassed to call me himself, so she wanted to try to work out the details and then for me to call him.
So, moms calling companies to help their kids communicate with the boss is a thing now.
Did the kid know his mom was calling or was she working independently on this?
Post by: chum1 on April 06, 2022, 03:54:29 PM
Those items apply to every generation
To the same degree, though? They obviously vary a great deal by culture. And American society hasn't remained constant over time.
Post by: michigancat on April 06, 2022, 04:13:27 PM
Those items apply to every generation
To the same degree, though? They obviously vary a great deal by culture. And American society hasn't remained constant over time.
Yeah pretty much. Maybe younger generations are more likely to have work friends but I just always assume people can choose to be friends with coworkers if they want. But like treating people as individuals? Sorry gen x, wanting that doesn't make you special.
Post by: Spracne on April 06, 2022, 04:26:41 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 06, 2022, 04:34:56 PM
As a Millennial, I am giddy that we are approaching the point in time where we will start punching down at the younger generations. Also, "managing" people based on stereotypes and tropes is really dumb, imo. People who think they know individuals' personalities based on when they were born is also dumb.
Yes to all of this
Post by: michigancat on April 06, 2022, 04:35:15 PM
Post by: chum1 on April 06, 2022, 04:38:14 PM
Those items apply to every generation
To the same degree, though? They obviously vary a great deal by culture. And American society hasn't remained constant over time.
Yeah pretty much. Maybe younger generations are more likely to have work friends but I just always assume people can choose to be friends with coworkers if they want. But like treating people as individuals? Sorry gen x, wanting that doesn't make you special.
My experience is very different. To such an extent that I wonder if any of the skeptics here have actually worked with many people outside their own generation.
Post by: michigancat on April 06, 2022, 04:39:27 PM
You are a very special individual!Those items apply to every generation
To the same degree, though? They obviously vary a great deal by culture. And American society hasn't remained constant over time.
Yeah pretty much. Maybe younger generations are more likely to have work friends but I just always assume people can choose to be friends with coworkers if they want. But like treating people as individuals? Sorry gen x, wanting that doesn't make you special.
My experience is very different. To such an extent that I wonder if any of the skeptics here have actually worked with many people outside their own generation.
Post by: chum1 on April 06, 2022, 04:39:33 PM
As a fellow millennial, I agree wholeheartedly. We just think alike!
Ah, now I see the blind spot.
Post by: CNS on April 06, 2022, 04:53:19 PM
That tweet guy should make one about zoomers. I feel like the second half of us X'ers are similar enough to Millennials that it feels easy enough to relate. The zoomers I have recently interviewed, hired, fired, etc are a conundrum. I literally had one of their moms call me recently about his job. He quit, then his mom called two weeks later and said he wanted to unquit but was too embarrassed to call me himself, so she wanted to try to work out the details and then for me to call him.
So, moms calling companies to help their kids communicate with the boss is a thing now.
Did the kid know his mom was calling or was she working independently on this?
She said he didn't know. He said he did. :dunno: Didn't rehire.
Post by: catastrophe on April 06, 2022, 05:17:49 PM
And to be clear, I’m not suggesting I’m actually good at bridging those divides, it just has become very apparent they exist in observing how the oldest and youngest at my work interact.
Post by: KCFDcat on April 06, 2022, 05:20:02 PM
That tweet guy should make one about zoomers. I feel like the second half of us X'ers are similar enough to Millennials that it feels easy enough to relate. The zoomers I have recently interviewed, hired, fired, etc are a conundrum. I literally had one of their moms call me recently about his job. He quit, then his mom called two weeks later and said he wanted to unquit but was too embarrassed to call me himself, so she wanted to try to work out the details and then for me to call him.
So, moms calling companies to help their kids communicate with the boss is a thing now.
Did the kid know his mom was calling or was she working independently on this?
She said he didn't know. He said he did. :dunno: Didn't rehire.
My wife just interviewed a recent college grad who asked if her dad could sit in on the (virtual) interview.
Post by: Spracne on April 06, 2022, 05:24:06 PM
I’ve definitely observed a generational divide in thinking and expectations. Just like anything cultural, there’s no one size fits all but having a baseline understanding helps immensely in knowing how to approach someone.
And to be clear, I’m not suggesting I’m actually good at bridging those divides, it just has become very apparent they exist in observing how the oldest and youngest at my work interact.
Is it truly a "generational divide," or is it more about power gradient and pecking order?
Post by: chum1 on April 06, 2022, 05:32:20 PM
Post by: Winters on April 06, 2022, 05:33:42 PM
Younger bosses don't care as much about how people dress as older bosses do.False.
Post by: Winters on April 06, 2022, 05:34:49 PM
Am only talking about myself though.Younger bosses don't care as much about how people dress as older bosses do.False.
Post by: michigancat on April 06, 2022, 05:39:36 PM
I’ve definitely observed a generational divide in thinking and expectations. Just like anything cultural, there’s no one size fits all but having a baseline understanding helps immensely in knowing how to approach someone.
And to be clear, I’m not suggesting I’m actually good at bridging those divides, it just has become very apparent they exist in observing how the oldest and youngest at my work interact.
Is it truly a "generational divide," or is it more about power gradient and pecking order?
And just general experience?
Post by: catastrophe on April 06, 2022, 05:56:27 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 06, 2022, 06:23:02 PM
I don’t think so. We hire a new crop of associates every year and I don’t think there were any generalized complaints (from mid to upper levels) about the newest class until last year.
Huh I wonder what might have happened in the last year or two. Probably a new generation line started 22-23 years ago.
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Post by: steve dave on April 07, 2022, 09:18:22 AM
I don’t know Brene Brown but everyone I’ve come across that talks about liking her I don’t like.
that's right
Post by: Fedor on April 07, 2022, 09:54:58 AM
I don’t know Brene Brown but everyone I’ve come across that talks about liking her I don’t like.I was supposed to read Brene Brown but a few chapters in I couldn't take anymore. I then made it known that if they assigned another one of her books I would not be participating.
Post by: steve dave on April 07, 2022, 10:38:58 AM
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 07, 2022, 12:20:33 PM
We once read some Christian servant leadership focused business book. One lesson talked about how Jesus washed some other dude's dirty feet. And someone in the group suggested that we, as a company demonstration of this idea, could all get together and literally not figuratively wash each other's feet.
That person should have been fired on spot because if you are willing to suggest that then you are capable of anything.
Post by: Institutional Control on April 07, 2022, 12:31:05 PM
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 07, 2022, 02:26:18 PM
We once read some Christian servant leadership focused business book. One lesson talked about how Jesus washed some other dude's dirty feet. And someone in the group suggested that we, as a company demonstration of this idea, could all get together and literally not figuratively wash each other's feet.Should've advised them that the lowest person in the household (company) is the one who would wash the feet. And the highest up in the HH(company) get's to anoint them with oil.
Post by: steve dave on April 07, 2022, 02:28:24 PM
Post by: Spracne on April 07, 2022, 02:49:22 PM
Depends on the feet :peek:
:D
Post by: michigancat on April 07, 2022, 03:59:53 PM
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Post by: Spracne on April 07, 2022, 04:01:28 PM
I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Impossible to know without knowing the year of their birth.
Post by: steve dave on April 07, 2022, 04:20:10 PM
I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Post by: michigancat on April 07, 2022, 04:23:05 PM
I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
Post by: Kat Kid on April 07, 2022, 04:34:24 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on April 07, 2022, 04:52:17 PM
I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
I’m not sure how your HR operates but I would say with about a 95% certainty yes.
Post by: ben ji on April 07, 2022, 04:53:26 PM
I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
No idea what NY labor laws are like but I want to say yes. Or you could just manage them out, pull some office space Lumburg type stuff and make them work weekends or something until they leave.
Post by: steve dave on April 07, 2022, 08:58:53 PM
I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
absolutely you can. or for even dumber reasons.
Post by: Spracne on April 07, 2022, 09:14:05 PM
I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
The answer is "it depends." What form did "going over your head" take? Is this person a member of any protected groups? Do you have any electronic communications trashing this person, other than in this thread? Is this person the litigious type?
Post by: Stupid Fitz on April 08, 2022, 09:10:51 AM
I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
Maybe he feels the same way about you :dunno: Reach out and just try and get him moved and maybe you will both be happy.
Post by: CNS on April 08, 2022, 10:39:16 AM
I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
Maybe he feels the same way about you :dunno: Reach out and just try and get him moved and maybe you will both be happy.
The fact they went over his head and didn't even take the time to have an alternative to suggest tells you they are not intelligent. If their work is already so-so, it's not going to get better.
Post by: Institutional Control on April 08, 2022, 10:57:28 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 08, 2022, 11:02:27 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 08, 2022, 11:22:46 AM
I had a direct report like that. I was a professional and just dealt with it because annoying dudes need to feed their families too. He eventually left on his own which was awesome.To be fair I think I'm also annoyed with this person's performance too
Post by: star seed 7 on April 08, 2022, 11:29:24 AM
Post by: pissclams on April 08, 2022, 02:32:31 PM
your job is to manage your employees, who’s failing who?I had a direct report like that. I was a professional and just dealt with it because annoying dudes need to feed their families too. He eventually left on his own which was awesome.To be fair I think I'm also annoyed with this person's performance too
Post by: michigancat on April 08, 2022, 02:41:44 PM
your job is to manage your employees, who’s failing who?I had a direct report like that. I was a professional and just dealt with it because annoying dudes need to feed their families too. He eventually left on his own which was awesome.To be fair I think I'm also annoyed with this person's performance too
I started managing this person like a month ago
Post by: wetwillie on April 08, 2022, 02:44:02 PM
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Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2022, 11:05:57 AM
https://twitter.com/technology/status/1532036282708373506
Post by: ben ji on June 02, 2022, 11:49:54 AM
My favorite thing about this is that one of the things I remember most about working in an office is how often people simply pretended to work. Some had it down to a rough ridin' art form. Like, I think I'll just grab this random piece of paper off my desk and go for an afternoon long walkabout.My first job out of college was a small family company (40 ish employees) and the daughter was some sort of VP who didn't do much but would constantly walk past my desk looking like she was in a hurry to go do something like pickup stuff from the printer.
https://twitter.com/technology/status/1532036282708373506
My coworker and I would make a bet in the morning on how many times she would walk by that day. O/U was usually close to 20.
Post by: ChiComCat on June 02, 2022, 12:02:56 PM
I think Musk is probably dumb to force people back in the office but if he's only talking about execs, whatever. We'll see if his jobs are good enough to retain the talent.
Post by: pissclams on June 02, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
gmafb with this crap. inefficiency is built into the workforce.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2022, 12:12:46 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 02, 2022, 12:30:29 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on June 02, 2022, 12:34:43 PM
My favorite thing about this is that one of the things I remember most about working in an office is how often people simply pretended to work. Some had it down to a rough ridin' art form. Like, I think I'll just grab this random piece of paper off my desk and go for an afternoon long walkabout.
https://twitter.com/technology/status/1532036282708373506
haha, when I first started my job a couple of guys asked me if I wanted to take a walk with them. I was like, uh, sure, thinking we were going to go down the street and grab a starbucks or something. Those fuckers walked like 3 miles and for over an hour. My feet were killing me from my shitty dress shoes at the time. They did this pretty much every day and sometimes a couple of times. These dumbasses that think people actually work when in the office are hilarious. I work more from home and instead of going on stupid 3 mile walks to waste time in the office, I take time and get crap done around the house.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 02, 2022, 12:36:41 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on June 02, 2022, 03:32:11 PM
I can consistently tell who is working remote and who is in the office by the quality of their work.
Yea the quality of work from people in the office is usually considerably worse in my experience.
Post by: catastrophe on June 02, 2022, 04:33:15 PM
The most important thing you can do working in an office environment is walk like you're on a mission.In my experience, it is the greenest employees who legitimately benefit from being in office since remote training and feedback is generally pretty bad.
I think Musk is probably dumb to force people back in the office but if he's only talking about execs, whatever. We'll see if his jobs are good enough to retain the talent.
My guess is the execs have to come in cause it’s the only way to coax the lower levels in without a riot.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on June 03, 2022, 12:59:28 PM
Lol. A 3 mile walk is like 45 minutes. Call me crazy, almost the length of a lunch break. Sorry for your exercise.
yeah, but those guys were in the office. They should be at their desks working the whole time....
Post by: ben ji on August 01, 2022, 07:09:42 PM
So I work in sales and the rule of thumb here is that when you have an interested client you open an "opportunity" in salesforce. These were never really tracked that hard and were full of a bunch of old opportunities etc.
In the middle of last month my company decides that they want to clean up the opportunities to better forecast future sales so a new policy was announced that starting August 1st if an opportunity was been open more than 2 months without being closed the account will automatically be transferred to a new salesperson.
Our sales cycle can last anywhere from a week to 6-12 months so I told my boss what a terrible idea it was "So if I get someone interested in our product and open an opportunity I will lose that account unless I remember to close the opportunity after 60 days even if they are still interested?".
Bossman said he would run it up the flagpole but I came up with my own solution. I closed out all of my open opportunities and told him I wouldn't be opening any new opportunities until the day the customer buys our product.
Guess who just got 5 new accounts that are interested in our product assigned to him today from reps who didn't close out all their old opportunities? :gocho:
Post by: ben ji on August 01, 2022, 07:14:12 PM
It's one of those things that sounds great in the boardroom but in execution it is a terrible idea. Looking forward to the conversation with my manager in a month where he asks me why I don't have any open opportunities.
As long as my actual sales numbers are good I don't think I will have any issues. I give it 2 months tops before they change the policy but until then I'm looking forward to some new interested accounts from other reps.
Post by: wetwillie on August 01, 2022, 07:15:17 PM
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Post by: DreamWeaver69 on September 09, 2022, 09:12:29 PM
This wouldn't have to do with some rural Missouri hospitals and clinics, would it?No. people rushed to the dentist when they thought the “pandemic” was done and now they’re over it. My friend is finally seeing over comp per service
Post by: catastrophe on September 09, 2022, 09:57:25 PM
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Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2022, 07:21:55 AM
AND I don't understand the $200k - is it an increase in salary of that amount? New total salary? Retention bonus?
If this person is a dentist I can't imagine staying or leaving having much impact on their career long term unless his involvement, but prison due to either mental health breakdowns or illegal activity absolutely would.
A dentist (or recruiter) should be able to live comfortably about anywhere in the country WITHOUT STRESS OF GOING TO JAIL so they should do that unless they have some sort of aspersions to being a regional director of their own someday. And even then they should probably get out.
Also LMAO at putting "pandemic" in quotes.
Post by: chum1 on September 10, 2022, 07:31:41 AM
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Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2022, 10:25:45 AM
Lol. He said jail, because he wants to strangle some of the people he’s working for/with. The bump would get him to a base like that. He appreciates all of the advice. And Chong’s, bootstrapping is what got him here. Don’t you worry!
Is he a dentist?
Post by: Institutional Control on September 10, 2022, 11:28:43 AM
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Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2022, 11:32:08 AM
I’m kind of slow but the friend is actually Wacky, right?Probably
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Post by: DreamWeaver69 on September 10, 2022, 12:02:30 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 12, 2022, 08:13:12 AM
God, we're all getting old.How many times have we told you to take care of your mental health? What does it tell you when we maybe thought it wasn't you and still recommended it?
Post by: ChiComCat on September 12, 2022, 08:49:04 AM
Post by: michigancat on September 12, 2022, 09:07:39 AM
So I have a friend that makes good $, but crap is burning down at the company. Director of 12 years%u2026 GONE. Regional Director%u2026 GONE! Many others are leaving and they%u2019re trying to throw $ at my friend to stay. It%u2019s getting toxic and lateral moves pay less. What should I tell him. Also, RIP Steve Jobs.
also knowing this is you and you are very dramatic, it's probably not really that bad, and in fact probably is a nice opportunity. Take the extra money and hopefully more responsibility and try to get yourself an elevated title to go with the money and throw on your resume. Even if crap goes down you'd get money and a title to help with the next gig.
Post by: OK_Cat on September 12, 2022, 09:19:53 AM
I leave the office every day and don’t think about work until I get back the next morning…it’s been a few months and been great for my mental health and stress level. I highly suggest it for us old guys who just want to relax and bank some money before our kids go to college.
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Post by: ChiComCat on September 12, 2022, 11:48:18 AM
Not to derail the wacky train, but I changed jobs recently after being at the last job for a decade. This job is less rewarding, less responsibility, a little bit more of a drive, extremely boring, but a significant bump in pay.
I leave the office every day and don’t think about work until I get back the next morning…it’s been a few months and been great for my mental health and stress level. I highly suggest it for us old guys who just want to relax and bank some money before our kids go to college.
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Congrats!
Post by: nicname on September 12, 2022, 01:00:55 PM
Not to derail the wacky train, but I changed jobs recently after being at the last job for a decade. This job is less rewarding, less responsibility, a little bit more of a drive, extremely boring, but a significant bump in pay.
I leave the office every day and don’t think about work until I get back the next morning…it’s been a few months and been great for my mental health and stress level. I highly suggest it for us old guys who just want to relax and bank some money before our kids go to college.
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This is it. Huge for work/life balance.
Post by: CNS on September 12, 2022, 01:12:19 PM
The big secret about your boss, their boss, and any other boss higher up is that most of them don't totally know what the hell they are doing either. Most ppl don't have their crap together and are all just worried about getting through today. If you are able to actually look forward a couple months, work on some 50k ft level view stuff rather than ground level view stuff, and just figure out problems as they come up and how to prevent them the next time they want to come up, you will be better than 90% of the bosses in any industry. Accept that, move up, solve problems, and be comfy doing so. You've been slanging dentists for a long time. You can definitely do this. Top level management is great. Hit them with a big ask.
Post by: CHONGS on September 12, 2022, 02:30:58 PM
Never say no without a number.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on September 12, 2022, 02:42:04 PM
Post by: sys on September 12, 2022, 08:41:55 PM
I changed jobs recently after being at the last job for a decade. This job is less rewarding, less responsibility, a little bit more of a drive, extremely boring, but a significant bump in pay.
I leave the office every day and don’t think about work until I get back the next morning.
i second this sentiment. having a well-paid, no-responsibility and boring job can be quite nice.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on September 13, 2022, 08:54:38 AM
The past two times I got dramatic about my toxic work environments, the companies folded in less than a year after leaving them (not because of me, obviously). Just saying, not sure it's dramatic when you see the writing on the wall. :dunno:So I have a friend that makes good $, but crap is burning down at the company. Director of 12 years%u2026 GONE. Regional Director%u2026 GONE! Many others are leaving and they%u2019re trying to throw $ at my friend to stay. It%u2019s getting toxic and lateral moves pay less. What should I tell him. Also, RIP Steve Jobs.
also knowing this is you and you are very dramatic, it's probably not really that bad, and in fact probably is a nice opportunity. Take the extra money and hopefully more responsibility and try to get yourself an elevated title to go with the money and throw on your resume. Even if crap goes down you'd get money and a title to help with the next gig.
Post by: michigancat on September 13, 2022, 09:59:06 AM
Well if you're just going to walk into another truly toxic situation you should take the money and hang on for dear lifeThe past two times I got dramatic about my toxic work environments, the companies folded in less than a year after leaving them (not because of me, obviously). Just saying, not sure it's dramatic when you see the writing on the wall. :dunno:So I have a friend that makes good $, but crap is burning down at the company. Director of 12 years%u2026 GONE. Regional Director%u2026 GONE! Many others are leaving and they%u2019re trying to throw $ at my friend to stay. It%u2019s getting toxic and lateral moves pay less. What should I tell him. Also, RIP Steve Jobs.
also knowing this is you and you are very dramatic, it's probably not really that bad, and in fact probably is a nice opportunity. Take the extra money and hopefully more responsibility and try to get yourself an elevated title to go with the money and throw on your resume. Even if crap goes down you'd get money and a title to help with the next gig.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on September 13, 2022, 11:16:16 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 13, 2022, 01:31:29 PM
Post by: CNS on September 13, 2022, 02:38:51 PM
Post by: CNS on September 14, 2022, 09:31:09 AM
Here it goes then... :crossfingers: :pray:
Wacky, how did we do?
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on September 14, 2022, 10:40:43 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on September 14, 2022, 10:48:20 AM
I have a busy work week. They told me to think on it and reconnect with them on Monday after I get back from my work trip. Even if I don't take the main "Director" role, they want to increase my salary and be a mentor for my position as we hire new staffing for our department. Said they can't afford to lose me. Only thing that sucks right now, with all the turnover, is my workload has tripled, which is probably for the best, because it's keeping me out of trouble.
Sounds like that job title may be able to help you down the line. I would probably take it and the big raise but also make sure that you have a good emergency fund in case it goes tits up.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on September 14, 2022, 11:20:04 AM
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Post by: chum1 on October 14, 2022, 07:53:03 AM
I am glad that the modern generation has learned to appreciate their work and professional skills. My peers were willing to work on a song as a student. Many people who have reached the age of 30 or 40 experience impostor syndrome, which does not allow them to reach their potential. While young professionals are 20 years old, they feel confident and are ready to learn new professions at https://www.becomeopedia.com/ (https://www.becomeopedia.com/). The modern generation will make it possible to develop new work standards and more clearly form the concept of personal boundaries and recreation for the world community.
eff yeah, dude.
Post by: Trim on November 15, 2022, 01:53:51 PM
Post by: nicname on November 15, 2022, 02:54:21 PM
https://twitter.com/verge/status/1592538554642575360
:)
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on December 07, 2022, 08:25:16 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on December 07, 2022, 08:40:24 PM
Post by: steve dave on December 07, 2022, 08:58:32 PM
If it is Carvana then definitely say no.lmao
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Post by: DreamWeaver69 on December 07, 2022, 09:24:56 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2022, 10:08:46 PM
But if you're worth it, you're worth it
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2022, 05:43:54 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2022, 05:53:20 AM
40k more cash? you should leave if it will be an interesting experience that gives you new skills or responsibilities.
Have you done anything to deserve $40k more at your current company or are you underpaid for the industry in your market? Are you struggling financially? If you like the stability and want to coast, I would recommend explaining why you deserve a raise at review time, but having a recruiter contact you on LinkedIn is not a reason you deserve a raise. If you don't feel like you have a good business case and want to coast, I'd shut up and coast.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on December 08, 2022, 08:02:50 AM
If I did leverage for a raise, I wouldn’t ask them to match. Maybe just a 10% bump. Only reason why I feel comfortable doing it, is because I see these types of transactions daily in my line of work, to keep top talent around.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on December 08, 2022, 08:08:56 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on December 08, 2022, 09:51:36 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2022, 09:59:08 AM
I’m probably paid at the highest tier I could get at for my line of work right now. My current employer pays me very well and that’s why I haven’t left after all of the transition the past 8 months. I do feel very established and happy where I’m at. However, I should see all these offer details by tomorrow by the “competitor”. They’re might be some equity with it. They’ve just thrown potential numbers at me right now. I should know more by tomorrow.
If I did leverage for a raise, I wouldn’t ask them to match. Maybe just a 10% bump. Only reason why I feel comfortable doing it, is because I see these types of transactions daily in my line of work, to keep top talent around.
So you're wanting your line of work to go above and beyond what they pay anyone because you see candidates in other industries stay for more money? My experience is a 10% raise won't keep people around for long :dunno:
And if you're comfortable financially, you shouldn't give up a great opportunity for 10% more money with your current employer.
Also, it was more than a message from LinkedIn. I had 5 zoom calls this week. 1 with the CEO in Spain and another with the COO in Germany. I don’t know why, but global crap gets me excited. Corporate HQ’s would be Barcelona. As a peasant who barely traveled the world before the age of 18, that kind of stuff is exciting for me.
is your family prepared for you to travel on longer international trips?
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on December 08, 2022, 10:25:54 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 08, 2022, 10:33:45 AM
I obviously stayed, but now have a global company asking if I can do a start up as the main guy for the US for them now. They found me on LinkedIn and want to grow by 50% in the next year with my recruiting abilities. Do I leverage this with my current company and ask for another raise or take a jump with a crap ton of responsibility to grow their brand in the US for 40K more a year starting out, with opportunity to fail?
bet on yourself wacks. always
Post by: mocat on December 08, 2022, 10:35:14 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on December 08, 2022, 11:32:16 AM
wacks traveling abroad is exactly what this blog needs
I can't wait for wacky to get to France and drive on the left side of the road.
Post by: mocat on December 08, 2022, 11:50:23 AM
wacks traveling abroad is exactly what this blog needs
I can't wait for wacky to get to France and drive on the left side of the road.
is it possible to check a bag full of ice. I have to have ice in my drinks
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on December 08, 2022, 12:36:44 PM
Post by: CNS on December 09, 2022, 09:47:40 AM
One thought: time and ownership. If you are building the US for them, that is a huge market, regardless of industry. You said it will increase their company by 50%. That is crazy. That will require work like you may have not done before, assuming they are already large, based on them being a global company and having officers in different countries. This might require the kind of work where you sleep a lot less, get a lot less weekend, and make fewer soccer games. If you are down, cool. If you aren't, cool. You should definitely find a way to get a measure of what that might look like/require and you should definitely weight that against $40k or and/or any % of ownership you can squeeze out of them.
Balance is really rough ridin' hard. You are about to enter a family period of time where it might be the hardest. My advice would be to keep balance in mind during this process unless you are the kind of workaholic that likes work being #1. If you are, cool, no judgement, one of my besties is that guy. Just don't go into something like that without evaluating workload and balance against a gig you like and already have.
This is a mental health PSA, here.
Post by: mocat on December 16, 2022, 03:05:57 PM
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1603812713674817562?s=20&t=ZfaihwfwicBOo7r_TGg3Ww
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on December 16, 2022, 03:07:58 PM
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on December 16, 2022, 03:13:19 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 16, 2022, 03:49:02 PM
Update: I had a zoom call with the founder of the company today. What a crazy process this has been. 3 weeks of interviews. I guess I really appreciate them doing their due diligence. I'm going to laugh at myself if they don't offer after all of this. lolKind of a red flag if it's like a big company imo but also that might mean they just have a lot of room to improve with recruiting?
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on December 16, 2022, 03:55:11 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 21, 2023, 01:14:37 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 21, 2023, 01:16:47 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 21, 2023, 01:32:02 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on April 21, 2023, 01:42:14 PM
Got an offer for a new job with a 45% base pay bump. Obvi gonna take it, super excited!
That's impressive, 'grats!
Post by: ChiComCat on April 21, 2023, 03:00:25 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on May 16, 2023, 11:03:00 AM
Not to derail the wacky train, but I changed jobs recently after being at the last job for a decade. This job is less rewarding, less responsibility, a little bit more of a drive, extremely boring, but a significant bump in pay.
I leave the office every day and don’t think about work until I get back the next morning…it’s been a few months and been great for my mental health and stress level. I highly suggest it for us old guys who just want to relax and bank some money before our kids go to college.
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MEH! I left that job, it became too boring and I gained weight sitting on my ass too much. Back to public education for this guy. :gocho:
Post by: meow meow on May 16, 2023, 02:04:06 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on May 16, 2023, 03:06:01 PM
should have used the extra coin/time to get a gym membership or a trainer
:dubious:
Post by: wetwillie on May 16, 2023, 03:08:39 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on May 16, 2023, 03:09:57 PM
Post by: wetwillie on May 16, 2023, 03:11:28 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on May 16, 2023, 04:44:58 PM
Post by: Pete on June 20, 2023, 09:19:45 AM
Post by: Pete on June 20, 2023, 09:22:04 AM
Post by: Pete on June 20, 2023, 09:23:01 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 20, 2023, 10:24:34 AM
If you are the “this could have been an email guy,” then you better rough ridin' never ever say to me “gosh I must have missed that email.”
I do both of these all the time. I also need people to stop copying me on irrelevant emails. (LMAO @ my drafts too)
(https://i.imgur.com/nAMur4k.png)
Post by: Pete on June 20, 2023, 10:28:38 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 20, 2023, 10:30:50 AM
Just mark everything in your inbox as “read” and start over. It’s liberating.
I think now's a good time but I still get like 100 per day that I don't want to read.
Post by: Pete on June 20, 2023, 10:37:26 AM
If it’s not from one of my bosses or key customer counterparts, then I don’t read it unless they put my name at the top.Just mark everything in your inbox as “read” and start over. It’s liberating.
I think now's a good time but I still get like 100 per day that I don't want to read.
Post by: michigancat on June 20, 2023, 10:40:09 AM
If it’s not from one of my bosses or key customer counterparts, then I don’t read it unless they put my name at the top.Just mark everything in your inbox as “read” and start over. It’s liberating.
I think now's a good time but I still get like 100 per day that I don't want to read.
lmao you need meetings so people can read you the emails they send you and you ignore
Post by: Institutional Control on June 20, 2023, 01:17:35 PM
Post by: Spracne on June 20, 2023, 01:23:27 PM
Just seeing 10K unread emails give me anxiety. I hate coming back from vacation and having a couple hundred.
I get so much industry spam e-mail through various bar associations and vendors that I would bet the ratio of e-mails I need to read vs. e-mails I know I don't need to read is like 1:6. Outlook does a good job of sorting it into the "Other" tab, though.
Post by: Institutional Control on June 20, 2023, 01:34:59 PM
Post by: Spracne on June 20, 2023, 01:37:46 PM
I get plenty of industry spam emails but I quickly delete them to get them out of my way.
I'm one of those people, whom some consider insane, that is not bothered by the indicator showing the number of unread e-mails, messages, etc. I have a process that ensures I see everything I need to see, so that unread indicator doesn't bother me a bit.
Post by: michigancat on June 20, 2023, 01:40:07 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 20, 2023, 01:43:56 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 20, 2023, 01:45:06 PM
Post by: Spracne on June 20, 2023, 01:48:09 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 20, 2023, 01:52:39 PM
I get plenty of industry spam emails but I quickly delete them to get them out of my way.
I'm one of those people, whom some consider insane, that is not bothered by the indicator showing the number of unread e-mails, messages, etc. I have a process that ensures I see everything I need to see, so that unread indicator doesn't bother me a bit.
Not sure how you can do this. I see everything I need to but can't stand the number showing unread emails. I also use a lot of rules and stuff and make use the of 'mark as read' a lot.
Post by: michigancat on June 20, 2023, 02:20:44 PM
Productive afternoon at the office
Post by: Spracne on June 20, 2023, 02:23:55 PM
I get plenty of industry spam emails but I quickly delete them to get them out of my way.
I'm one of those people, whom some consider insane, that is not bothered by the indicator showing the number of unread e-mails, messages, etc. I have a process that ensures I see everything I need to see, so that unread indicator doesn't bother me a bit.
Not sure how you can do this. I see everything I need to but can't stand the number showing unread emails. I also use a lot of rules and stuff and make use the of 'mark as read' a lot.
It just doesn't bother me, but I have known many people whom it bothers a great deal. It's just one of those things that affects some people profoundly and others not at all. I'd be curious to see a survey on this phenomenon. To me, it comes across as obsessive behavior, but I pass no judgment.
Post by: wetwillie on June 20, 2023, 04:03:08 PM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on June 20, 2023, 04:16:04 PM
I’m an inbox zero kind of guy
same. I have like 7 emails in my work box right now and I've already went through them. I just need to get motivated to either delete or move them to the appropriate keep folder.
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 20, 2023, 05:08:36 PM
I’m an inbox zero kind of guyYep same. Used it for a long time and works great for me.
Post by: CNS on June 20, 2023, 05:08:57 PM
I’m an inbox zero kind of guy
It is literally impossible for me. It would be more than a full time job reading and sorting without taking any action. I am team rusty.
Post by: wiley on June 20, 2023, 05:55:53 PM
This is where i’m at. I’ve got filters fixed to put emails to where they need to go and i can still tell there is a problem due to rapid unread email growth. I just verified i have one filter/folder with 1.9 million unread. Might mark all as readI’m an inbox zero kind of guy
It is literally impossible for me. It would be more than a full time job reading and sorting without taking any action. I am team rusty.
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Post by: star seed 7 on June 20, 2023, 06:01:08 PM
Post by: pissclams on June 20, 2023, 08:07:37 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 20, 2023, 08:41:59 PM
Post by: wetwillie on June 20, 2023, 08:44:40 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 20, 2023, 08:58:33 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 20, 2023, 09:14:24 PM
The real trick is training people to not send you emails in the first placeI'm so close to telling my team to do this. Some of them are worse than others
Post by: ChiComCat on June 21, 2023, 08:06:42 AM
The real trick is training people to not send you emails in the first placeI'm so close to telling my team to do this. Some of them are worse than others
My boss that was the best at this would just respond in as few words as possible while still getting his point across. People would send long ass emails explaining something and their spirit would be broken when he would respond with "Ok"
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2023, 08:22:22 AM
https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1688895862913613824
Post by: wetwillie on August 08, 2023, 09:00:54 AM
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2023, 10:07:16 AM
This seems like a really good example of organized labor working out pretty wellYeah, win for everyone involved
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Post by: Spracne on August 08, 2023, 10:08:24 AM
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on August 08, 2023, 10:11:42 AM
feel good for UPS drivers. these delivery drivers are the most hustling profession out there right now. ours basically sprint to our door to drop off packages every single day and then haul ass two houses over to do it again. probably 1,000 twenty yard sprints a day. these guys deserve this much and more imo.had a buddy do this for a year or so.. absolutely HATED it, had a pee bottle even just to stay on track of all of the deliveries. those dudes are definitely hustling.
https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1688895862913613824
Post by: michigancat on August 08, 2023, 10:14:47 AM
Post by: kim carnes on August 08, 2023, 10:48:06 AM
I saw some podcast(!) clip on twitter where they were complaining that this might increase your shipping costs from like $8 to $10 and so it was a bad deal for people.
It doesn’t have much impact on high earners like steve and yourself
Post by: Purple Derpathy on August 08, 2023, 11:47:15 AM
Post by: wetwillie on August 08, 2023, 11:54:01 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on August 08, 2023, 12:02:35 PM
I'd take that bet.Same
Post by: Trim on August 08, 2023, 07:03:10 PM
Post by: CNS on August 09, 2023, 08:24:30 AM
UPS are pros. Love those guys/girls.
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2023, 08:32:57 AM
I was really not looking forward to only having FedEx available during a UPS strike. Not sure about the over all sitch, but fedex is rough ridin' awful here, you guys.Yes, they aren’t even comparable services
UPS are pros. Love those guys/girls.
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Post by: kim carnes on August 09, 2023, 03:44:48 PM
Post by: kim carnes on August 09, 2023, 03:49:37 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2023, 03:56:35 PM
FedEx is the gold standardOf being shitty and slow and losing packages
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Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2023, 03:58:04 PM
Post by: CNS on August 09, 2023, 04:48:52 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on August 09, 2023, 05:03:15 PM
FedEx isn't a delivery service, they are the new up and coming WWE star and my deliveries are the new "bad guy" wrestlers.Think UPS would be the babyface, Amazon prime would be the heel and Fedex would be the jobber
Post by: Pete on August 09, 2023, 05:34:05 PM
Post by: wetwillie on August 09, 2023, 05:39:04 PM
Post by: Spracne on August 09, 2023, 07:11:29 PM
I honestly have no idea what fed ex delivers. I don't think I've gotten a package from them in years.
I hope you continue not being served.
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2023, 08:37:51 PM
I honestly have no idea what fed ex delivers. I don't think I've gotten a package from them in years.This is true for everyone (whether they were supposed to have gotten one or not)
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Post by: michigancat on August 09, 2023, 09:27:16 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 10, 2023, 03:07:07 AM
Post by: steve dave on August 10, 2023, 06:36:57 AM
I had a medication that was fulfilled by a specialty pharmacy and shipped via FedEx. They usually arrived a day or two late.That’s like the greatest performance in the history of fedex
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Post by: Purple Derpathy on August 10, 2023, 09:35:09 AM
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2023, 09:24:40 AM
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2023, 10:09:43 AM
This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2023, 10:31:49 AM
This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2023, 10:38:37 AM
This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
Gotcha. This crap is totally going to be cigarettes to a generation or two down the line. man. also :cyclist:
Post by: michigancat on October 04, 2023, 11:00:38 AM
I saw somewhere it's also a way to get around copyright issues, it makes it harder to identify and take down a video. I think I saw this in reference to movie clips split with Subway surfers or somethingThis is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 04, 2023, 11:29:31 AM
Post by: Stupid Fitz on October 04, 2023, 11:41:17 AM
I saw somewhere it's also a way to get around copyright issues, it makes it harder to identify and take down a video. I think I saw this in reference to movie clips split with Subway surfers or somethingThis is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
this makes me feel better than, "our analysis discovered that people can't even watch a 12 second video without getting distracted anymore so we need to add another video to keep them engaged so we can send them more ads".
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2023, 11:48:18 AM
this makes me feel better than, "our analysis discovered that people can't even watch a 12 second video without getting distracted anymore so we need to add another video to keep them engaged so we can send them more ads".
Another perspective is that people have always done more than one thing at a time. The only difference here is that two of the things a person is doing at the same time are on the same screen.
Post by: Spracne on October 04, 2023, 11:59:02 AM
This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
I appreciated the DIY hacks, because I saw the standalone video like 1,000 internet years ago, you old man. Almost certain it was posted on this very blog.
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2023, 12:03:32 PM
This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
I appreciated the DIY hacks, because I saw the standalone video like 1,000 internet years ago, you old man. Almost certain it was posted on this very blog.
There's a decent chance I was the one who posted it and then completely forgot I ever saw it.
Post by: Spracne on October 04, 2023, 12:20:31 PM