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Title: The Devils
Post by: renocat on November 21, 2017, 11:46:51 AM
Well it is manhood time.  I think the marquee match up is Wade against Romello White who we recruited.  I hope Brown can stymie their one stud guard.  Some better bench play will be needed than last night.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 21, 2017, 08:39:54 PM
Well it is manhood time.  I think the marquee match up is Wade against Romello White who we recruited.  I hope Brown can stymie their one stud guard.  Some better bench play will be needed than last night.
Team landed in Vegas this evening. Probs jetlagged in Oscar's world

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Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Gooch on November 22, 2017, 08:39:29 AM
Always liked their unis. Too bad they were in trash New Jersey.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: renocat on November 22, 2017, 10:53:11 AM
UC Irvine coach Murphy:
“Honestly, if I were just a casual fan in Las Vegas, this is a game that I personally would buy a ticket for,” Northern Arizona coach Jack Murphy said of the Kansas State contest.

Along with UC Irvine coach Russell Turner, Murphy has played both the Sun Devils and Wildcats this season.

“Both teams, for the most part, are led by their guards," Murphy continued, "and I think it’s very intriguing to see what Holder and Shannon Evans and the ASU guards can do against the really stout defensive guards of K-State. It’s a really good matchup.”

“Arizona State played at a really great level against us, and we weren’t able to really make it that much of a game,” Turner said. “We did come back in the second half, but I don’t think we ever threatened them, and that was a credit to their senior guards. But I think that will be hard for them to replicate against Kansas State because Kansas State is excellent defensively.”

Are the Sun Devils legit NCAA Tournament contenders? They look the part. Senior guard Tra Holder – the Pac-12 Player of the Week – has been outstanding. Senior guard Shannon Evans has been equal parts play-maker and scorer. And redshirt-freshman forward Romello White has been as advertised, strong in the post.

Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 22, 2017, 12:48:40 PM
Cross post as The Flush's team but new article from K-Dawg. http://amp.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article186040698.html

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Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: renocat on November 23, 2017, 07:53:36 AM
A big win tonight would top off the holiday.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 23, 2017, 02:21:16 PM
I'M SO FREAKING READY FOR BASKETBALL TONIGHT #GOCATS

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Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Joker on November 23, 2017, 02:49:08 PM
I'M SO FREAKING READY FOR BASKETBALL TONIGHT #GOCATS

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Me too, Greg.

Only downside is because of Thanksgiving I have to watch it with my squawk brother-in-law.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: IPA4Me on November 23, 2017, 03:15:59 PM
I'M SO FREAKING READY FOR BASKETBALL TONIGHT #GOCATS

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Me too, Greg.

Only downside is because of Thanksgiving I have to watch it with my squawk brother-in-law.
Roofie
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: kso_FAN on November 23, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
I'm excited for this game. I want to see if we really might be decent.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: sys on November 23, 2017, 06:11:35 PM
someone (the fball link guy?) please collocate a link to today's cats game here.  i would like to watch some or all of the game today.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: IPA4Me on November 23, 2017, 06:20:45 PM
I'm excited for this game. I want to see if we really might be decent.
I hope your Cowboys luck doesn't carry.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: renocat on November 23, 2017, 06:27:35 PM
Holy Cow.  First time black shopping ever.  Target.  Trying to coax maw.out the door to listen to the game.  oscar is happy .... this is a very good sign.  Man it is tough being in love.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Trim on November 23, 2017, 06:32:23 PM
The Orleans environment looks different from how I remember it.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: sys on November 23, 2017, 06:47:36 PM
goddamnit.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: renocat on November 23, 2017, 07:07:58 PM
goddamnit.
Devildammit
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Prince McJunkins on November 23, 2017, 07:14:52 PM
We seem to have decent depth.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: michigancat on November 23, 2017, 07:54:14 PM
Watching our offense is painful even when it's working. That Justice guy is pretty scuzzy. Refs seem shitty.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: michigancat on November 23, 2017, 07:55:20 PM
ASU has some shitty uniforms. That yellow stripe is brutal.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Trim on November 23, 2017, 08:02:26 PM
ASU has some shitty uniforms. That yellow stripe is brutal.

It's pretty crazy that Frank-era EMAW showed what the perfect hoops uniform should look like and uniform makers continue to make the opposite of those.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: michigancat on November 23, 2017, 08:13:54 PM
Of course that Justice dude is from Mesa. I imagine every good player from suburban Phoenix looks and acts like that
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 23, 2017, 08:22:06 PM
oscar is still running small ball, neither Dean or X is on the floor with 4 minutes left. Smdh

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Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 23, 2017, 08:29:44 PM
This team is exactly who I thought they were
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: wetwillie on November 23, 2017, 08:30:16 PM
Can't wait for the brucecuses
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 23, 2017, 08:31:02 PM
Can't rebound, play defense or take care of the ball. Weak Oscarball.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: michigancat on November 23, 2017, 08:31:49 PM
This defense will get destroyed by teams who make a pass after our first rotation. We seem pretty bad at it.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: fun muffin on November 23, 2017, 08:32:02 PM
 :flush:
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: cfbandyman on November 23, 2017, 08:32:10 PM
Refs were pretty shitty
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 23, 2017, 08:32:45 PM
We foul like a Frank team without the same effect.
Title: The Devils
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2017, 08:33:04 PM
Not sure I’ve ever seen this kind of FT disparity.

oscar seems bad at getting in the refs ear about that kind of thing.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 23, 2017, 08:33:53 PM
Offense rebounds killed us. Also, it pisses me off when oscar calls timeouts when we grab momentum.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: dal9 on November 23, 2017, 08:34:07 PM
refs were crap...worst one was the wainwright blockout foul...but this game also shows that we have nothing close to Westicles on defense...
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 23, 2017, 08:35:19 PM
Offense rebounds killed us. Also, it pissed me off when oscar calls timeouts when we grab momentum.
I thought maybe he did it to bring Wade and Sneed back in, but no he was "coaching."
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 23, 2017, 08:36:36 PM
Offense rebounds killed us. Also, it pissed me off when oscar calls timeouts when we grab momentum.
I thought maybe he did it to bring Wade and Sneed back in, but no he was "coaching."
I recall several such timeouts last year, one specifically in the Baylor game that completely swing momentum back to the other team.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: dal9 on November 23, 2017, 08:38:04 PM
i did like the mental toughness of the perimeter guys
Title: The Devils
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2017, 08:38:11 PM
I don’t have many complaints. The 3% shooting from both teams was pretty ridiculous. That Justice guy has probably the most punchable face I’ve ever seen so good for our guys showing restraint there.

FTs were obviously the difference, and you just don’t know how the refs are going to call most of the inside stuff. Obviously when we were playing puds the calls went in our favor.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: chum1 on November 23, 2017, 08:42:13 PM
 :eek:
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 23, 2017, 08:45:57 PM
I can't believe we still had a chance to win after all of that
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2017, 08:47:10 PM
No idea if ASU is any good, but I think we’re ok. We probably won’t ever see another team shoot that many FTs in a game.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: The Big Train on November 23, 2017, 08:50:32 PM
Yep we aren’t any good
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2017, 08:50:35 PM
I also appreciated that Brown got exactly what he wanted with the game on the line. He makes that layup 8/10 times.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: BackPayne on November 23, 2017, 08:51:09 PM
Hell of a game and come back by our Basket Cats especially considering the awful foul disparity.  The traveling no call in the last minute was rough ridin' ridiculous. We sure suck at rebounding, however. That is going to kill us this season.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2017, 08:53:55 PM
Can’t blame the lack of rebounds given how they were calling the game. We would have had plenty more rebounds if there were fewer whistles.

And yea, no clue how you miss that traveling call.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 23, 2017, 08:56:17 PM
The Kam blowing shots has to stop. Draw up a post play, that were under utilized all game. If i had a dollar for all the times a post player was open on the block I would have about 8 dollars

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Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: CHONGS on November 23, 2017, 09:01:59 PM
We were pretty close.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: ELL3 on November 23, 2017, 09:02:30 PM
AsU picked 7th in Pac 12, nothing special. Attempting 32 three's (made 15) direct result was nothing in paint and no free throws. Typical Oscar loss 
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: michigancat on November 23, 2017, 09:03:50 PM
I quit watching when we were down 7. No regrets
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 23, 2017, 09:04:41 PM
Diarra is a turnover machine, bad refs
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: CHONGS on November 23, 2017, 09:05:17 PM
If that game was played one year from now we win easy.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: BostonPancake on November 23, 2017, 09:05:34 PM
Same crap, different year.  We won’t shoot that well again all year.  What a waste.  So sick of it.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2017, 09:05:40 PM
AsU picked 7th in Pac 12, nothing special. Attempting 32 three's (made 15) direct result was nothing in paint and no free throws. Typical Oscar loss

Offense was not the problem.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: ELL3 on November 23, 2017, 09:07:47 PM
AsU picked 7th in Pac 12, nothing special. Attempting 32 three's (made 15) direct result was nothing in paint and no free throws. Typical Oscar loss

Offense was not the problem.

Correct
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Trogdor on November 23, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
Holy crap that officiating was butt
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: IPA4Me on November 23, 2017, 09:09:43 PM
So much for the great defense.

Wade is still soft. Won't drive in critical situation. Had an opening to drive the lane but passed back to Brown.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: ELL3 on November 23, 2017, 09:12:17 PM
So much for the great defense.

Wade is still soft. Won't drive in critical situation. Had an opening to drive the lane but passed back to Brown.

Kenn, Puff daddy and Learnin disagree
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: IPA4Me on November 23, 2017, 09:13:16 PM
So much for the great defense.

Wade is still soft. Won't drive in critical situation. Had an opening to drive the lane but passed back to Brown.

Kenn, Puff daddy and Learnin disagree
Uh oh. Tucknation will be @in me.
Title: The Devils
Post by: kso_FAN on November 23, 2017, 09:16:48 PM
The first time since advanced stats (2002) that a K-State team has scored 1.3 ppp or better and lost.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPXYuYaVAAIYpjP.jpg:large)

Wade has to score more and Diarra had some really dumb TOs.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171124/623927f77246e5f262d9fb7d71372821.jpg)
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: LeggoKatZ on November 23, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
I forgot how much Basketball officiating pisses me off.

Also, screw Kodi Justice, cocky punk.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2017, 09:33:17 PM
If it’s on TV, I will watch every ASU game from now on just waiting for his clock to get cleaned.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Powercat Posse on November 23, 2017, 09:36:52 PM
2nd half, Wade had layup attempt off a nice pass. Initiated a little contact. Missed the layup off the glass. About 20 seconds later, their big had almost exact same scenario, but he finished and drew the foul on Dean.  This kinda summed up Wade's poor 2nd half where he was on the bench in foul trouble or on the court doing nothing after Halftime.

When you allow 18 2nd Chance pts and grab only 7 Defensive Rebounds (what we did after Halftime), it's a huge recepie for disaster.    Combine that with our fouls, refs calling tight game, and their 18-31 FT shooing in the 2nd....and you have a very poor Defensive statsheet

Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2017, 09:51:27 PM
refs were crap...worst one was the wainwright blockout foul...but this game also shows that we have nothing close to Westicles on defense...

Man, this is absolutely perfect.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2017, 09:57:30 PM
So much for the great defense.

Wade is still soft. Won't drive in critical situation. Had an opening to drive the lane but passed back to Brown.

They gave him the ball at 91-90 and was no threat to score, didn't even try, that's inexcusable.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: IPA4Me on November 23, 2017, 10:02:30 PM
So much for the great defense.

Wade is still soft. Won't drive in critical situation. Had an opening to drive the lane but passed back to Brown.

They gave him the ball at 91-90 and was no threat to score, didn't even try, that's inexcusable.
That's been his game since day 1. I wish we had a coach to get him aggressive. So much wasted potential there.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: kso_FAN on November 23, 2017, 10:06:58 PM
I corrected the individual stats above. Wade's involvement was poor. He should never be under 10 points per 100 possessions he plays.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on November 23, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
I corrected the individual stats above. Wade's involvement was poor. He should never be under 10 points per 100 possessions he plays.

With out the foul trouble he is flirting with a triple double. Dean and Sneed need to stay on the court for defense and rebounding.

I think we will be fine, defense will get cleaner specially the benches D. The issue is the margin for error with our schedule is so small.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: cat97 on November 23, 2017, 10:13:33 PM
Fan, thanks for the stats.
Rebounding and fouls in the second half. 
And the foul trouble on Wade, Sneed and Mawien.  Mawien fouled out in 14 minutes and he was out most effective inside player tonight.  Sallah and Stockard were no match for ASU's big men.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: renocat on November 23, 2017, 10:19:37 PM
Claws had 7 assists, seems like these were in the 1st half.  Again when plays timid due to fouls kind of poor.  There are some positives, mainly guards and Sneed.  Meats have to do better.  Romello White beat their drum like a thunderstorm.   Diarra ain't ready to be first guard sub, Wainright is my pick.  Fan why did we foul so much?  I listened and it has to be more than poor refs.  Sounds like rebound positioning lessons are needed.  Hope to have better defense against next team.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: catastrophe on November 23, 2017, 10:24:38 PM
Wade really does need to get some swagger ASAP. He’s a liability out there when he’s timid.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Steffy08 on November 23, 2017, 10:39:04 PM
Weber just sucks at people.  Refs are people. 
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: dal9 on November 23, 2017, 10:51:51 PM
i think the only hope for Wade is to grow an ironic mustache and see if that changes things
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: cat97 on November 23, 2017, 10:54:34 PM
Fan, The 124% free throw rate in the second half caught my attention.  What exactly does that stat mean?  Thanks

Never mind.  I found the definition.  I think we had our work cut out for us to win this game since so many of the fouls came on us trying to get rebound position.  I quess we're slow learners.
 "FTr = (FTA / FGA). Free throw rate is the ratio of free throws attempted per field goal attempted. It's useful to assess where the bulk of a player's shots are coming from -- low ratios usually indicate a lot of jump shots (fouls are less prevalent the further away from the basket you get), while high rates are the province of inside players who often take strong shots in traffic down low.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: bones129 on November 23, 2017, 11:33:17 PM
How did the Play Hard Chart turn out?
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: mocat on November 24, 2017, 12:45:11 AM
Year Six (6): We're So Close!
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: pvegs on November 24, 2017, 04:01:02 AM
i mean, brown, wade, and stokes are only juniors. i think by the time these guys have some meaningful game experience and their legs under them next year, another play-in game is within reach
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: stunted on November 24, 2017, 05:26:51 AM
3 point shooting this season is encouraging. attempting 23/game this year at 41%, vs 19/game and 36% last. 2 years ago it was 18/game at 31% :sdeek:

as far as % of the fg attempts, 3 pointers are making up 40% of the attempts, vs 36% last year and 31% 2 years ago. in hoiberg's last year, 37% of their shots were 3's (making them at 36%). golden state 37%, houston 53% :surprised:, spurs 29%, cavs 37%, okc 36%.

oscar weber is keeping up with the times. if we can keep this up or at least shoot 37% at a high volume, good things will happen
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 24, 2017, 09:13:24 AM
How did the Play Hard Chart turn out?

I believe our hard-tryin' wild wildcats are try-hard undefeated since 2012
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: kso_FAN on November 24, 2017, 10:17:26 AM
No way we win the PHC yesterday.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: BackPayne on November 24, 2017, 12:44:03 PM
If it’s on TV, I will watch every ASU game from now on just waiting for his clock to get cleaned.

I was afraid something was wrong with me for wanting that douche to get a hard elbow to the face.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: IPA4Me on November 24, 2017, 12:49:23 PM
If it’s on TV, I will watch every ASU game from now on just waiting for his clock to get cleaned.

I was afraid something was wrong with me for wanting that douche to get a hard elbow to the face.
He made me angry
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: renocat on November 24, 2017, 08:07:34 PM
Dang.  ASU beat Xavier 102 to 86.  Maybe we are better than we thought.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: pissclams on November 24, 2017, 08:16:09 PM
we aren’t
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: Canary on November 24, 2017, 08:24:52 PM
No way we win the PHC yesterday.
George Washington U has their own version, called The Ghost Stats.
Title: Re: The Devils
Post by: catastrophe on November 25, 2017, 09:38:31 AM
Way cooler name.