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Title: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on December 06, 2017, 04:59:22 PM
Klein?  lol
Sean?  lol

then who???
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: ben ji on December 06, 2017, 05:01:31 PM
Whoever stoops wants
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2017, 05:02:03 PM
Come home, Ron
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 06, 2017, 05:02:32 PM
If Bill is coaching next year, Klein is probably the best we can get.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on December 06, 2017, 05:02:44 PM
probably a stretch, but i'd love to see what Lincoln Riley could do with Skyler the next 3 years.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: DQ12 on December 06, 2017, 05:03:55 PM
i was thinking about this earlier this week.

an interesting name is Darrell Dickey, current OC for Memphis.  No way in hell it happens, but an interesting name nonetheless!
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: manpow5 on December 06, 2017, 05:04:44 PM
Michael smith.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: catastrophe on December 06, 2017, 05:07:37 PM
Sounds made up.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: cfbandyman on December 06, 2017, 05:11:46 PM
Whoever TF can be more goddamn creative with the play calling and make better adjustments to have us win games.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: CHONGS on December 06, 2017, 05:13:12 PM
Morgan Turner
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on December 06, 2017, 05:57:00 PM
Kevin Sumlin
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Prince McJunkins on December 06, 2017, 06:14:52 PM
Mangino
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 06, 2017, 06:43:04 PM
Klein
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: ChiComCat on December 06, 2017, 06:55:42 PM
If it’s someone on staff, Coleman
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: KsuWildcatsXII on December 06, 2017, 06:56:46 PM
Not that it matters, but does anyone remember if Dana and/or Del came back right away under Bill? Pretty sure we hired Andy Ludwig as our OC in Bill's first year but he took another job before the season started. Were D&D supposed to be on staff in different roles that year?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Big Sam on December 06, 2017, 07:06:25 PM
Not going to be many lining up for the job due to lack of job security.  They must assume when Snyder goes, they will be without a gig (unless Snyder hires a HCIW, which he probably won't).

So who is left?  Those desperate for a gig (recently fired and needing a transition job, or a young coach hoping it will be a chance to elevate their status - but even for the young ones there is a ton of risk involved if they only get a year to do their things - especially if they fear Snyder is playing the system and will step down in July or August, and force Sean into the spot and creating added chaos in the job that will further undermine their chances for success).

Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: 8manpick on December 06, 2017, 07:39:11 PM
Venebles. Not sure we could trust him to be a head coach until he has coordinated an offense too.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: 3gQ@T on December 06, 2017, 07:45:38 PM
Not going to be many lining up for the job due to lack of job security.  They must assume when Snyder goes, they will be without a gig (unless Snyder hires a HCIW, which he probably won't).

So who is left?  Those desperate for a gig (recently fired and needing a transition job, or a young coach hoping it will be a chance to elevate their status - but even for the young ones there is a ton of risk involved if they only get a year to do their things - especially if they fear Snyder is playing the system and will step down in July or August, and force Sean into the spot and creating added chaos in the job that will further undermine their chances for success).

Agree with this sentiment but one would have to assume that Sean is making 85+% of the hire in anticipation Bill pulls a Bo Ryan/Bob Stoops.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: steve dave on December 06, 2017, 07:58:47 PM
lane kiffin hciw
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on December 06, 2017, 08:20:34 PM
In all seriousness Jim McElwain would be a really good choice.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 06, 2017, 08:29:14 PM
In all seriousness Jim McElwain would be a really good choice.

Would take
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 06, 2017, 08:35:52 PM
In all seriousness Jim McElwain would be a really good choice.

Man, I wish.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: TheTruth on December 06, 2017, 09:09:15 PM
Michael smith.


HELL. NO.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 06, 2017, 09:45:37 PM
Bring in Seth LittreLL at HCIW and he’ll bring Graham Harrell and that hot O for Sky guy.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: OK_Cat on December 06, 2017, 09:49:26 PM
lane kiffin hciw

Our fans don’t deserve him, steve dave


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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: troubledscribe on December 06, 2017, 09:57:47 PM
LHC Bill Snyder will assume the oc  duties for the 2018 season.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: everyone shut up on December 06, 2017, 11:01:59 PM
Jake from state farm
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 07, 2017, 02:16:25 AM
lane kiffin hciw

Our fans don’t deserve him, steve dave


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You may not OK cat but I know a ton of deserving fans.

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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Gooch on December 07, 2017, 10:30:37 AM
The answer is clearly Del Miller.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 07, 2017, 10:36:12 AM
The part that pisses me off the most, is the #1 thing to look for right now would be how the OC will utilize Sky over the next 3 years.. and this will be completely ignored by hiring a guy with zero OC experience from within the program, to continue the current system.

I really really want to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Joker on December 07, 2017, 10:57:45 AM
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on December 07, 2017, 11:04:37 AM
The part that pisses me off the most, is the #1 thing to look for right now would be how the OC will utilize Sky over the next 3 years.. and this will be completely ignored by hiring a guy with zero OC experience from within the program, to continue the current system.

I really really want to be proven wrong.

Whoever comes will run the LHC Bill Snyder offense.  Other guys can call the plays, but it is still Snyder's (heavy) playbook.  And that's a good thing.  Jake Waters and Chad May might be the blueprint for how we use Thompson (assuming he beats out Delton, which is not a given).
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on December 07, 2017, 11:19:53 AM
it's already been proven Jake ran the ball a lot, and Chad May was over 20 years ago, this isn't the same offense, gmafb
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 07, 2017, 11:28:31 AM
The part that pisses me off the most, is the #1 thing to look for right now would be how the OC will utilize Sky over the next 3 years.. and this will be completely ignored by hiring a guy with zero OC experience from within the program, to continue the current system.

I really really want to be proven wrong.

Whoever comes will run the LHC Bill Snyder offense.  Other guys can call the plays, but it is still Snyder's (heavy) playbook.  And that's a good thing.  Jake Waters and Chad May might be the blueprint for how we use Thompson (assuming he beats out Delton, which is not a given).

Jesus Christ. Waters shoulder was mumped half way through the season because he ran it like 2 times less a game than the battering ram Hubes/last season Jesse offense.

And "whoever comes will run the LHC Bill Snyder offense." LOL. You think someone like Dan Enos or Graham Harroll would just drop their system for Bill's? No, whoever takes over from within the program with no experience will run Bill's system cause that's all they know, yes. (Not sure how that's a good thing)

Also, Delton might be completely done with football. Will re-evaluate in the spring.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on December 07, 2017, 11:32:18 AM
CK will be the OC.  He probably knows Bill's offense better than Dimel did.  At the end of the day, Bill believes in running the correct play against a given defense.  CK knows this well and i'm sure Bill thinks he has more than enough ability to be the OC.  I wouldn't be surprised if Jake Waters ended up back at KSU other than if he wants to live in Ames, which would be understandable.

Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 07, 2017, 11:33:59 AM
i was thinking about this earlier this week.

an interesting name is Darrell Dickey, current OC for Memphis.  No way in hell it happens, but an interesting name nonetheless!
the double D offense
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: manpow5 on December 07, 2017, 12:06:43 PM
In Kleins defense, he was the only QB in Snyder 2.0 to be allowed to call his own plays.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Cire on December 07, 2017, 12:13:13 PM
No he didn’t


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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on December 07, 2017, 12:20:41 PM
The part that pisses me off the most, is the #1 thing to look for right now would be how the OC will utilize Sky over the next 3 years.. and this will be completely ignored by hiring a guy with zero OC experience from within the program, to continue the current system.

I really really want to be proven wrong.

Whoever comes will run the LHC LHC Bill Snyder offense.  Other guys can call the plays, but it is still Snyder's (heavy) playbook.  And that's a good thing.  Jake Waters and Chad May might be the blueprint for how we use Thompson (assuming he beats out Delton, which is not a given).

Jesus Christ. Waters shoulder was mumped half way through the season because he ran it like 2 times less a game than the battering ram Hubes/last season Jesse offense.

And "whoever comes will run the LHC LHC Bill Snyder offense." LOL. You think someone like Dan Enos or Graham Harroll would just drop their system for Bill's? No, whoever takes over from within the program with no experience will run Bill's system cause that's all they know, yes. (Not sure how that's a good thing)

Also, Delton might be completely done with football. Will re-evaluate in the spring.

So much to respond to in your post, but I'll just say this:  LHC Bill Snyder is known as an offensive genius.  Because he is one.  His offense works.  No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 12:31:20 PM
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: everyone shut up on December 07, 2017, 12:36:17 PM
sky will last exactly 1 conference game if he runs klein's offense. we need to be recruiting another qb. i love sky, but t's and p's to his shoulder/knees.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 07, 2017, 12:37:36 PM
I'll just say this:  LHC Bill Snyder is known as an offensive genius.  Because he is one.  His offense works.  No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

His 2.0 offense works with a non-human industrial strength machine like CK.

That is not Skylar for the next 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: DQ12 on December 07, 2017, 12:52:38 PM
I hope it's not Klein because I really really don't want to hate him.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on December 07, 2017, 12:54:32 PM
I'll just say this:  LHC LHC Bill Snyder is known as an offensive genius.  Because he is one.  His offense works.  No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

His 2.0 offense works with a non-human industrial strength machine like CK.

That is not Skylar for the next 3 seasons.

The Snyder offense is not limited to the style that has been predominant in the last few years.  The Snyder offense also included Chad May slinging it around.  The plays that Dimel/Miller called tended to emphasize one part of the offense.  With both gone, I suspect we will see more of the offense that May, Beasley, Meier, and Coffman ran.  Still some QB run, but not like we have seen in the past 4/5 years.

Snyder himself, after the ISU game, expressed frustration that we didn't pass the ball more with Thompson.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on December 07, 2017, 12:56:51 PM
I don't think Dimel was great this year.  But there is no denying the success we have had on offense in Snyder 2.0.  Especially when you consider offense as including the ability to avoid turnovers.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: DQ12 on December 07, 2017, 01:11:45 PM
tellin' you guys.  darrell dickey.  i
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: cfbandyman on December 07, 2017, 01:16:47 PM
I don't think Dimel was great this year.  But there is no denying the success we have had on offense in Snyder 2.0.  Especially when you consider offense as including the ability to avoid turnovers.

I think you might be undervaluing the Del Miller part of the equation
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: DQ12 on December 07, 2017, 01:22:31 PM
I don't think Dimel was great this year.  But there is no denying the success we have had on offense in Snyder 2.0.  Especially when you consider offense as including the ability to avoid turnovers.

I think you might be undervaluing the Del Miller part of the equation
Dimel put together some great offenses for us in 2.0, but he also dropped the ball a few times -- particularly this year when we were loaded.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: BackPayne on December 07, 2017, 01:53:44 PM
WWBVD?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: fightinsnydersksu on December 07, 2017, 02:00:19 PM
We averaged 33 PPG the last 8 years. Hard to gripe about that.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Cire on December 07, 2017, 02:08:44 PM
Offense was fine when we had healthy qbs.


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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Cire on December 07, 2017, 02:09:59 PM
Dimel fell in love with qb power because it does work.  Except it also sketti’s qb’s.


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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Joker on December 07, 2017, 02:34:05 PM
@ksu_FAN1 can we get a fact check on this?


https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/938867440519348229
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on December 07, 2017, 03:03:51 PM
I don't think Dimel was great this year.  But there is no denying the success we have had on offense in Snyder 2.0.  Especially when you consider offense as including the ability to avoid turnovers.

I think you might be undervaluing the Del Miller part of the equation

I'm not overlooking it...I'm in total agreement.  We weren't quite as sharp this year, and it probably fair to assume that Miller's absence was at least a part of that.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: kso_FAN on December 07, 2017, 03:05:43 PM
@ksu_FAN1 can we get a fact check on this?


https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/938867440519348229

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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: CHONGS on December 07, 2017, 03:54:58 PM
We had the 42nd most efficient offense in college football; just behind Colorado State (hi Mike!) and ahead of Ole Miss.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: nicname on December 07, 2017, 05:17:04 PM
I want a Ron Hudson clone.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: manpow5 on December 07, 2017, 05:24:08 PM
Bielma, BV, and Levitt all splitting DC... no idea about OC.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 06:36:34 PM
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 06:49:38 PM
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: pissclams on December 07, 2017, 06:51:25 PM
I want a Ron Hudson clone.
yes
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 08:14:37 PM
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Pete on December 07, 2017, 08:23:32 PM
Maybe Dimel meant he had the most efficient FIRST HALF offense in America?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 08:25:45 PM
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: BackPayne on December 07, 2017, 08:31:10 PM
https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: scottwildcat on December 07, 2017, 08:40:11 PM
https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: scottwildcat on December 07, 2017, 08:47:20 PM
https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Smith is a good recruiter.  The interwebs say this is important.
That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: BackPayne on December 07, 2017, 09:10:37 PM
Holy moly chill out! I'm just throwing crap against the wall.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 10:00:29 PM
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2017, 10:24:38 PM
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Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.

Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.

So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 07, 2017, 10:39:49 PM
https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Smith is a good recruiter.  The interwebs say this is important.
That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?

Our WRs dropped an absolute fuckload of passes this year? :dunno:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2017, 11:33:58 PM
Quote
Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.

Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.

So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.

I agree with this
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Kat Kid on December 08, 2017, 01:07:42 AM
Quote
Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.

Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.

So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.

I agree with this

Mo Latimore has almost been here longer than Snyder.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: stunted on December 08, 2017, 04:10:33 AM
the fact that nobody has brought up norm chow in minority coaching discussions is racist.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 08, 2017, 08:59:15 AM
https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
When I was a student at The Kansas State University, I was blessed to get a haircut in the chair next to Michael Smith at Campus Barber Shop. After Roger got done, he handed him a $20 (this was a long time ago), said thank you and walked out. His generosity has been an inspiration to me.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: scottwildcat on December 08, 2017, 10:21:59 AM
https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Smith is a good recruiter.  The interwebs say this is important.
That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?
Our WRs dropped an absolute fuckload of passes this year? :dunno:
then why the eff would you reward him with giving him the OC title if you want to replace him?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 08, 2017, 11:00:22 AM
https://twitter.com/CoachMichaelSmi/status/938954431911079937

Coleman move to OC and Smith to WR?
Jesus why do people not realize that coordinators still have positional responsibilities.
Smith is a good recruiter.  The interwebs say this is important.
That isn’t my point. Why would you move Coleman off of WRs for Smith while Coleman has built a relationship with this entire WR core just because he’d hypothetically get moved to OC. Why wouldn’t Smith just come in and coach RBs or TEs?

Our WRs dropped an absolute fuckload of passes this year? :dunno:

Lol, you don't have to actually coach them to be good WR's, just have a good relationship with them.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Cire on December 08, 2017, 11:49:14 AM
I always had the perception that Michael Smith was dead weight on the recruiting side.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Joker on December 08, 2017, 11:53:32 AM
I always had the perception that Michael Smith was dead weight on the recruiting side.


This was the narrative during the end of Snyder 1.0
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: HELLHAMMER on December 08, 2017, 12:58:32 PM
When I was a student at The Kansas State University, I was blessed to get a haircut in the chair next to Michael Smith at Campus Barber Shop. After Roger got done, he handed him a $20 (this was a long time ago), said thank you and walked out. His generosity has been an inspiration to me.
[youtube]   https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBCdIwgp1L8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Cire on December 08, 2017, 01:33:01 PM
Also I'm completely resigned to Klein calling plays next year in the booth with Coleman directing on the sidelines as he does.

Seiler as DC.  Britz, and who knows who else.

Maybe bring on Eric Gallon to coach rb's.

Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2017, 02:05:55 PM
the fact that nobody has brought up norm chow in minority coaching discussions is racist.

I see you, stunted, but the homie Norm was a head coach, but as like damn near everything else in this country our Asian brothers and sisters are underrepresented.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: ben ji on December 08, 2017, 04:54:50 PM
Quote
Since returning to the sideline in 2009, Snyder hasn’t looked outside the program to hire a single coordinator. When co-defensive coordinator Vic Koenning left after the 2009 season, Chris Cosh was named sole defensive coordinator and K-State hired Keith Burns to coach defensive backs. When Cosh left a few years later, Snyder promoted current defensive coordinator Tom Hayes to take his place and hired Mike Cox to coach linebackers. When Del Miller left in the offseason, Dimel took over as lone offensive coordinator and Snyder hired Collin Klein to coach quarterbacks.


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article188537744.html

He's also never hired a minority coordinator

 :buh-bye:

While this is factually correct the implication isn't fair at all.

It's more of a criticism of college football culture in general than Bill. I mean are there any minority coordinators in the Big 12? (I don't feel like googling the ones I haven't heard of)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

I think Bill is at least partially responsible for this culture and deserves some of whatever my implication is. All college head coaches do.

Side note, I just learned former Prince assistant Warren Ruggerio is the offensive coordinator at Wake Forest. Cradle of Coaches.

If we're acknowledging that he only promotes from within there really hasn't been an opportunity for him to do so. He does now so we'll see.

there hasn't really been an opportunity to hire a minority coordinator from within before now? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

What's so hard to figure out? The minority position coaches we've had have been significantly younger and inexperienced in compared to who has held those positions. It's not like we've had musical chairs at the coordinator positions. The only internal minority candidate, before now, who has hung around for an extended period was Michael Smith and he was not coordinator material when he was here.

Ok, just making sure that's what you were getting at.

So yeah I definitely realize that Snyder never having minority position coaches qualified to become coordinators is a big part of why he's never hired a minority coordinator. I also think it's fair to criticize him (and most college head coaches) for not hiring and/or developing more minority position coaches to be ready for coordinator positions.

I agree with this

Mo Latimore has almost been here longer than Snyder.

Mo Latimore is also a huge dick.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: TheTruth on December 08, 2017, 05:35:40 PM
I always had the perception that Michael Smith was dead weight on the recruiting side.


This was the narrative during the end of Snyder 1.0

Heard this as well. It was pretty bad, from what I heard.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 08, 2017, 06:55:43 PM
Go save that Meachum guy in Lawrence from career suicide
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Pete on December 08, 2017, 07:06:46 PM
the fact that nobody has brought up norm chow in minority coaching discussions is racist.

I see you, stunted, but the homie Norm was a head coach, but as like damn near everything else in this country our Asian brothers and sisters are underrepresented.

Don't forget the Tribe!  Almost zero representation in sports leadership outside of basketball.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: everyone shut up on December 08, 2017, 08:15:41 PM
Bet Riley kissed a girl before he got married, tho
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: star seed 7 on December 08, 2017, 08:23:12 PM
i hope ck and his lovely wife provide us with 11 future wildcat studs
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: cfbandyman on December 08, 2017, 09:01:40 PM
I guess he can will us with the #16goals to wins
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2017, 09:11:14 PM
Klein is definitely not ready but honestly idgaf as long as Snyder is here.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2017, 11:06:12 PM
Klein is definitely not ready but honestly idgaf as long as Snyder is here.

How can you possibly know that?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2017, 11:25:42 PM
Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach.
Six years for Matt Campbell
Five years for Lincoln Riley
Six for Scott Frost
Four for Josh Heupel
Three for Willie Taggart
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five for Klein
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: catastrophe on December 08, 2017, 11:38:59 PM
Go save that Meachum guy in Lawrence from career suicide

This is my vote.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: That_Guy on December 09, 2017, 12:01:32 AM
Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach.
Six years for Matt Campbell
Five years for Lincoln Riley
Six for Scott Frost
Four for Josh Heupel
Three for Willie Taggart
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five for Klein

Well when you put it like that...




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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: stunted on December 09, 2017, 01:28:44 AM
I see you, stunted, but the homie Norm was a head coach, but as like damn near everything else in this country our Asian brothers and sisters are underrepresented.

getting better. kpop!
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: ChiComCat on December 09, 2017, 09:55:29 AM
I like to think of Klein as K-state’s version of Cumbie, Kliff, and Riley but instead of an air raid he is the slow and deliberate KSU Slothfense
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Katpappy on December 09, 2017, 01:48:56 PM
When I was a student at The Kansas State University, I was blessed to get a haircut in the chair next to Michael Smith at Campus Barber Shop. After Roger got done, he handed him a $20 (this was a long time ago), said thank you and walked out. His generosity has been an inspiration to me.
[youtube]   https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBCdIwgp1L8[/youtube]
HELLHAMMER, you know that Paycheck had a very small dick.  He's prison nickname was peewee.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: That_Guy on December 09, 2017, 08:01:36 PM
I would hope to think Klein would know how to run the offense with Thompson at QB, but what do I know?


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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Katpappy on December 09, 2017, 10:31:34 PM
I would hope to think Klein would know how to run the offense with Thompson at QB, but what do I know?


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I would hope CK remembers the pain he went thru with the battering ram offense.  Maybe have Thompson run less and pass more.  Also, have him slide or run of out bounds at the end of his runs. 
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 11, 2017, 12:26:13 PM
Heard we may reach out to Mangino.
Title: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Pete on December 11, 2017, 12:49:51 PM
Skyler is very Reesing-like in his mobility creativity.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: chum1 on December 11, 2017, 12:56:33 PM
I don't know, but a Mangino offense seems like it would be fun.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 11, 2017, 01:54:34 PM
Skyler is very Reesing-like in his mobility creativity.
please never ever compare those two again
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 11, 2017, 01:57:23 PM
Thought Mack Brown was being hired according to another thread, if so end this bad boi

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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: 8manpick on December 11, 2017, 02:57:17 PM
Oh Gregory...
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: deputy dawg on December 11, 2017, 03:17:18 PM
Skyler is very Reesing-like in his mobility creativity.
Crap!  Thompson has herpes?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MadCat on December 11, 2017, 03:21:26 PM
Bring on the bag-wine!
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Pete on December 11, 2017, 03:36:39 PM
Reesing was awesome for a year, then not so much.  I am merely comparing Sky to the awesome part. 
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: HELLHAMMER on December 11, 2017, 04:40:10 PM
When I was a student at The Kansas State University, I was blessed to get a haircut in the chair next to Michael Smith at Campus Barber Shop. After Roger got done, he handed him a $20 (this was a long time ago), said thank you and walked out. His generosity has been an inspiration to me.
[youtube]   https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XBCdIwgp1L8[/youtube]
HELLHAMMER, you know that Paycheck had a very small dick.  He's prison nickname was peewee.
Gonna have to take your word on that since I haven't been to prison or gazed at Paycheck's crank like you obviously have Katdaddy.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 11, 2017, 04:57:37 PM
Oh Gregory...
I was bbsing... Oh 8man...

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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on December 13, 2017, 01:08:10 PM
I don't know, but a Mangino offense seems like it would be fun.

Would take. Might be the best we can get (realistically) in the short term. Long term, the cheeseburgers could kill him, the terrible grotesque body optics of him in purple (I see the Grape Kool Aid man or Grimace) could get really bad. Bill's eventual retirement probably means he leaves then anyways. I suppose Mark may need a short term stop to prove himself again before moving on and dominating at some middling school in the AAC.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Gooch on December 13, 2017, 01:16:53 PM
You Mangino people need to revisit his time in Ames.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on December 13, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
yeah, Mangino would only be good for pissing off ku fans.  hard pass on him
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2017, 01:27:01 PM
You Mangino people need to revisit his time in Ames.
What exactly happened there?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Gooch on December 13, 2017, 01:28:09 PM
He had terrible offenses and was fired by proud Paul.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2017, 01:39:55 PM
He had terrible offenses and was fired by proud Paul.

He we fired not because of his shitty offenses, they were terrible with decent talent, but because of insubordination
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 13, 2017, 02:38:20 PM
Reesing was awesome for a year, then not so much.  I am merely comparing Sky to the awesome part.
Just stop Pete or I'm going to buy you a moped for Christmas
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: DQ12 on December 13, 2017, 02:41:00 PM
Reesing was a very good college QB.  Not un-manziel-like in his attributes.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on December 13, 2017, 02:48:08 PM
He had terrible offenses and was fired by proud Paul.

He we fired not because of his shitty offenses, they were terrible with decent talent, but because of insubordination

This is what would probably be another big impediment to his long term stability at KSU. We're riding another Snyder year right, the non Sean variety? Why not try it?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: DQ12 on December 13, 2017, 02:50:22 PM
said it before and i'll say it again.  it should be darrell dickey.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2017, 03:34:33 PM
He had terrible offenses and was fired by proud Paul.

He we fired not because of his shitty offenses, they were terrible with decent talent, but because of insubordination

This is what would probably be another big impediment to his long term stability at KSU. We're riding another Snyder year right, the non Sean variety? Why not try it?

At KSU? Most bosses have a distaste for insubordination, it's why he hasn't and likely won't work again.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: pissclams on December 13, 2017, 04:07:07 PM
whoever said ron hudson was spot on
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Dr. Fausto Rindón on December 14, 2017, 07:14:52 AM
said it before and i'll say it again.  it should be darrell dickey.

Interesting to see what he does with A&M’s offense.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2017, 08:19:31 AM
said it before and i'll say it again.  it should be darrell dickey.

Interesting to see what he does with A&M’s offense.
dang.  I didn't know he was hired.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: nicname on December 14, 2017, 05:38:00 PM
whoever said ron hudson was spot on

And he's old AF too. Maybe he wants another year under the Snyder grindstone. Prob has a grandkid or two to put thru college.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 16, 2017, 02:36:30 PM
Give Stan Weber a call.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Skipper44 on December 16, 2017, 03:15:04 PM
and Stanton takes his rightful place in the booth, obviously
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: michigancat on December 28, 2017, 09:00:56 PM
Interesting read!

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: bones129 on December 28, 2017, 09:53:34 PM
Interesting read!

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet

I know he used to do Twitter, but does LHC Bill Snyder use the Internet?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: kso_FAN on December 28, 2017, 10:16:33 PM
Interesting read!

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet

That's really cool.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: TheHamburglar on December 28, 2017, 10:22:32 PM
Mike Belotti didn't go down to D2, but he found Chip Kelly by looking at FCS stats & calling the OC of the best statistical offense.

I also always liked that Stoops got the Florida DC job because Nebraska scored 62 on Florida in the 95 Fiesta Bowl & Spurrier figured he'd have to play them again in 96, so he just decided to hire the DC that he thought did the best job against the 95 Huskers from watching tape prepping for the Fiesta Bowl.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Daddy Claxton on December 28, 2017, 10:49:06 PM

I also always liked that Stoops got the Florida DC job because Nebraska scored 62 on Florida in the 95 Fiesta Bowl & Spurrier figured he'd have to play them again in 96, so he just decided to hire the DC that he thought did the best job against the 95 Huskers from watching tape prepping for the Fiesta Bowl.
Also helped that stoops was the hottest name among assistant coaches at the time. That hire was not a stretch at all for spurrier.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: DQ12 on December 28, 2017, 11:45:37 PM
Interesting read!

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet

I know he used to do Twitter, but does LHC Bill Snyder use the Internet?
Snyder once "liked" one of my tweets about Ron Prince
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on December 29, 2017, 08:15:11 AM
Interesting read!

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21862192/oklahoma-state-cowboys-mike-gundy-offensive-coordinator-internet

I know he used to do Twitter, but does LHC Bill Snyder use the Internet?
Snyder once "liked" one of my tweets about Ron Prince

what was the tweet?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 29, 2017, 08:19:26 AM
said it before and i'll say it again.  it should be darrell dickey.

Interesting to see what he does with A&M’s offense.
dang.  I didn't know he was hired.
Why, we were bad:
Quote
Dickey was the starting quarterback at Kansas State for four seasons from 1979 to 1982. In 1979, he established the school record for passing yards by a freshman with 915
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: LickNeckey on December 30, 2017, 06:39:02 PM
Ricky Rahne HCIW
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: bones129 on December 30, 2017, 06:47:15 PM
 :runaway:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: KST8FAN on December 30, 2017, 07:58:51 PM
said it before and i'll say it again.  it should be darrell dickey.

Interesting to see what he does with A&M’s offense.
dang.  I didn't know he was hired.
Why, we were bad:
Quote
Dickey was the starting quarterback at Kansas State for four seasons from 1979 to 1982. In 1979, he established the school record for passing yards by a freshman with 915
Did DRD coach in the Liberty Bowl today or has he  already headed to College Station?

Tom

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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: BackPayne on December 30, 2017, 10:36:39 PM
Ricky Rahne HCIW

For Penn State
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: slackcat on December 31, 2017, 07:20:02 AM
Ricky Rahne HCIW

would take
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Pete on December 31, 2017, 08:16:03 AM
Mangino

Would take. (earmuffs Delton) But, would prefer a hard core air raid Leach disciple and just say eff it and double down with Sky.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: pissclams on December 31, 2017, 08:53:46 AM
mangino sucks at coaching (but is great at life)
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 31, 2017, 10:49:46 AM
Mangino

Would take. (earmuffs Delton) But, would prefer a hard core air raid Leach disciple and just say eff it and double down with Sky.

He didn't run an air raid or anything close to it at KU or ISU, the qb running the ball was fairly important, but it's whatever.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: ELL3 on December 31, 2017, 11:53:22 AM
Mangino

Would take. (earmuffs Delton) But, would prefer a hard core air raid Leach disciple and just say eff it and double down with Sky.

He didn't run an air raid or anything close to it at KU or ISU, the qb running the ball was fairly important, but it's whatever.

Only time Mangino was on a staff that threw it a bunch was in his short time with Leach at Oklahoma. When the Pirate left for TT, OU became more and more conventional offense. Most all of his KU QB's were borderline battering rams and at ISU it was survival mode. No idea what they did at Youngstown.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: pvegs on December 31, 2017, 12:28:42 PM
I would like Collin Klein as my OC. Perhaps his name has already been mentioned. And Brent Venables is a name I've heard tossed around as a potentially good head coach for the KSU Fighting Purple Cats, should Lord Bill ever retire.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on December 31, 2017, 12:30:54 PM
serious question, is there any evidence that Klein can recruit worth a crap?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Katpappy on December 31, 2017, 12:41:26 PM
He helped recruit Waters.  He was going to Penn State until CK called him.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: treysolid on December 31, 2017, 12:59:02 PM
Klein has what, 2 or 3 years of coaching experience? Sure, put him in charge of a P5 offense.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: BackPayne on December 31, 2017, 01:12:43 PM
Him getting skettibrained playing make me worried.  Just short term sketti'd?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: bones129 on December 31, 2017, 01:33:15 PM
CK's day as an offensive coordinator is coming. Just not sure it's here yet.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Woogy on December 31, 2017, 01:41:56 PM
Of course, today is Sunday. Tuesday is still a day away...
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on December 31, 2017, 02:16:29 PM
He's also in a weird environment for recruiting.  Selling high probability of significant coaching turnovers in 4 years.

Would think a intelligent,  personable,  heisman finalists could do a good job.

Andre Coleman somehow sells the crap out of significant coaching turnover
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 31, 2017, 03:38:37 PM
Klein has what, 2 or 3 years of coaching experience? Sure, put him in charge of a P5 offense.
We love shitting on our own as much as Iowa State fans love blowing themselves. This was from three whole pages ago.
Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach.
Six years for Matt Campbell
Five years for Lincoln Riley
Six for Scott Frost
Four for Josh Heupel
Three for Willie Taggart
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five for Klein
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: treysolid on December 31, 2017, 07:34:43 PM
Klein has what, 2 or 3 years of coaching experience? Sure, put him in charge of a P5 offense.
We love shitting on our own as much as Iowa State fans love blowing themselves. This was from three whole pages ago.
Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach. not P5
Six years for Matt Campbell not P5
Five years for Lincoln Riley not P5
Six for Scott Frost had experience as co-DC at UNI before Oregon
Four Six for Josh Heupel
Three TWELVE (!) for Willie Taggart  before co-OC at WKU. how could you be so far off?
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five three for Klein

Don't count G.A. years. It's rough ridin' grad school. Klein just got done with his second year as an assistant coach. If we're going to promote from within, you don't think there isn't someone else on staff who is more deserving?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Katpappy on December 31, 2017, 07:51:00 PM
Looks like treysolid threw a slam dunk on MIR.  (http://goEMAW.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/Wha...gif)
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Catchacold on December 31, 2017, 08:05:51 PM
Dickey (current run game coordinator) and Coleman (current pass game coordinator) as Co-OCs.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 01, 2018, 12:26:37 AM
Klein has what, 2 or 3 years of coaching experience? Sure, put him in charge of a P5 offense.
We love shitting on our own as much as Iowa State fans love blowing themselves. This was from three whole pages ago.
Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach. not P5
Six years for Matt Campbell not P5
Five years for Lincoln Riley not P5
Six for Scott Frost had experience as co-DC at UNI before Oregon
Four Six for Josh Heupel
Three TWELVE (!) for Willie Taggart  before co-OC at WKU. how could you be so far off?
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five three for Klein

Don't count G.A. years. It's rough ridin' grad school. Klein just got done with his second year as an assistant coach. If we're going to promote from within, you don't think there isn't someone else on staff who is more deserving?

Why would I discount their GA seasons? You know something about their responsibilities that I don't? You act like GAs are student managers or something.
I wasn't off on Taggart, I have no idea what you're reading, but he was the quarterbacks coach and co-OC in 2001.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Taggart&ved=0ahUKEwiBxrakjbbYAhUhUd8KHSKJAQIQFgiAAjAw&usg=AOvVaw1mEmP_hrGsC-xcM80yLj-q
Also who give two shits about the P5 non P5 distinction? The point is those guys were clearly right for the job. Just because Lincoln Riley was at ECU do you really think he would have been overwhelmed at Wake Forest?
I have no idea if Charlie Dickey or Andre Coleman are more qualified, none of us do. I would hope LHC Bill Snyder can evaluate whether Klein is capable without needing to hit some arbitrary number of years though.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: pissclams on January 01, 2018, 03:42:20 AM
bill doesn’t have a great track record of putting the best coach for the job, into the job

source:  the shitshow named dana dimel
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Pete on January 01, 2018, 10:20:48 AM
DC was stolen from right under Big Bar and Grill’s nose tho.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: pvegs on January 01, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Klein has what, 2 or 3 years of coaching experience? Sure, put him in charge of a P5 offense.
We love shitting on our own as much as Iowa State fans love blowing themselves. This was from three whole pages ago.
Tom Herman became a FBS OC his fifth year as an assistant coach. not P5
Six years for Matt Campbell not P5
Five years for Lincoln Riley not P5
Six for Scott Frost had experience as co-DC at UNI before Oregon
Four Six for Josh Heupel
Three TWELVE (!) for Willie Taggart  before co-OC at WKU. how could you be so far off?
Three for Kliff
Next season will be season five three for Klein

Don't count G.A. years. It's rough ridin' grad school. Klein just got done with his second year as an assistant coach. If we're going to promote from within, you don't think there isn't someone else on staff who is more deserving?

I think the most important thing is that no one gives a eff and let's just make Klein OC and go full ham on this perra.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: ELL3 on January 01, 2018, 02:07:49 PM
I got no idea how we do it now, in the early to mid 90's when Bill was ultra micromanaging, he would call the run or pass, one coach was assigned run the other pass. The play was then sent to the relay guy, who then signaled the perfect play in. This was in Paul Watson, Chad May, Matt Miller days
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Skipper44 on January 02, 2018, 09:39:53 PM
RichRod and Delton are a match made in heaven
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on January 03, 2018, 08:16:43 AM
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Well chuck I know you are like the son I never had but rich just has a way with the youngsters that I can't pass up
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 03, 2018, 08:52:08 AM
Quote
Well chuck I know you are like the son I never had but rich just has a way with the youngsters that I can't pass up
Somewhere in hell; Jerry Sandusky is rofl.
He's not dead yet, dork.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on January 05, 2018, 02:46:19 PM
I got no idea how we do it now, in the early to mid 90's when Bill was ultra micromanaging, he would call the run or pass, one coach was assigned run the other pass. The play was then sent to the relay guy, who then signaled the perfect play in. This was in Paul Watson, Chad May, Matt Miller days

I say let it end like it began, we need some full circle moments to get Bill to see the light.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: slackcat on January 16, 2018, 12:31:34 PM
black caddie in the o'coordinator's space. d'coordinator space empty.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Cire on January 21, 2018, 09:35:15 PM
It's Coleman


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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: That_Guy on January 21, 2018, 10:44:35 PM
It's Coleman


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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on January 21, 2018, 11:25:10 PM
Interesting if true
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: kearneymen on January 22, 2018, 06:45:17 AM
I hope it is true!  Coleman has been a great hire and killed it on the recruiting trail.  The WRs had a bit of the case the drops this year, but overall have been solid and generally play a good all around game.  Our return game has been excellent as well (I believe that Coleman coaches the returners).
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Cire on January 22, 2018, 09:09:50 AM
I’d bet money that there will be a co guy.

I bet he goes to the booth with ck

Hickson becomes the huddle guy.


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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Trim on January 22, 2018, 09:14:20 AM
I thought I skimmed a week or so ago on KSO that it was Dickey and Coleman as co-oc's.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: tdaver on January 22, 2018, 09:45:10 AM
I thought I skimmed a week or so ago on KSO that it was Dickey and Coleman as co-oc's.

Yes, KSO reported Dickey & Coleman
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: IPA4Me on January 22, 2018, 04:16:29 PM
And the recruit called Coleman his OC.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on January 22, 2018, 04:20:19 PM
Coleman probably passing game OC, Dickey running game maybe.  Why haven't they announced this if they are just promoting someone?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: pissclams on January 22, 2018, 04:44:25 PM
kinda busy with other stuff right now
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on January 22, 2018, 05:03:58 PM
true, my bad
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Shooter Jones on January 22, 2018, 06:55:19 PM
Coleman probably passing game OC, Dickey running game maybe.  Why haven't they announced this if they are just promoting someone?

Coleman: Passing game OC
Dickey: Run game OC
Klein: Play calling OC
Sean: 4th down play calling OC and STC

Bill gets everyone a raise with the OC label to ease the tension in Vanier. Just have to agree on contracts before it can be announced.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: BackPayne on January 22, 2018, 08:29:55 PM
How about a 3rd and long OC?  We need one.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Shooter Jones on January 22, 2018, 11:01:46 PM
How about a 3rd and long OC?  We need one.

We still have Hickson and Hanson on the offensive staff, but they're new. Give it a year before Hanson slides into the Situational stand up TE play calling OC, and Hickson can be the 3rd and short play calling OC.

Sean can pull double duty and take the 3rd and long OC. He's creamed his pleads for years waiting to call a QB pooch punt on one.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: treysolid on January 22, 2018, 11:06:46 PM
Every coach can be assigned a number and then before each play, they roll a die to see which one of them will coordinate the offense for that down.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: mhkpasa on January 24, 2018, 09:05:52 AM
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/956180618039218176

https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/956180966866870272
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on January 24, 2018, 09:07:52 AM
Time for Klein to show what he can do with sky.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: 8manpick on January 24, 2018, 09:12:05 AM
Three offensive coordinators.  Awesome. :flush:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: mhkpasa on January 24, 2018, 09:12:13 AM
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1180209/KSU-DERP.gif)
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Yard Dog on January 24, 2018, 09:18:39 AM
Three offensive coordinators.  Awesome. :flush:

My take: With the retirement of Bill looming this is the best way to a) keep the current system in place b) resume boost coaches that may need to be looking for a new job when a new coach is hired / if they hire sean can be kept on without as much skepticism (ie: Sean kept on Klein as OC seems like less of a jump if he was already co-coordinator) c) could be the last genius decision of one of college football's great coaches - it isn't that wild if the three people in question work well together, which it would seem they all do and would.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: ChiComCat on January 24, 2018, 09:22:39 AM
I would guess one legitimate OC and 2 "promotions"
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Cire on January 24, 2018, 09:25:42 AM
Three offensive coordinators.  Awesome. :flush:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MadCat on January 24, 2018, 09:29:03 AM
I think we're going to need a Coordinator of Coordinator Operations position.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on January 24, 2018, 09:30:26 AM
we're gonna need more timeouts
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Cire on January 24, 2018, 09:31:12 AM
I would guess one legitimate OC and 2 "promotions"

This is reality, its a way to give all three a raise
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on January 24, 2018, 09:45:50 AM
gonna have lots of options to place the blame this fall
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 24, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1180209/KSU-DERP.gif)

 :nono: Collin didn't call that play. He just ran it very poorly.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Trim on January 24, 2018, 09:52:41 AM
This will be fun, in one way or another.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 24, 2018, 10:12:25 AM
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1180209/KSU-DERP.gif)

 :nono: Collin didn't call that play. He just ran it very poorly.
That play was awesome. I don't care what anyone says. I wish it would have worked.  :love:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on January 24, 2018, 10:15:39 AM
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1180209/KSU-DERP.gif)

 :nono: Collin didn't call that play. He just ran it very poorly.
That play was awesome. I don't care what anyone says. I wish it would have worked.  :love:

weird take
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 24, 2018, 10:17:47 AM
Everyone started keying in on the Klein's Run/pop pass. That would have been a nice way to keep teams even more honest if it had panned out. I like the idea of it.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 24, 2018, 10:55:10 AM
I expect us to be more aggressive, which should be fun
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: DQ12 on January 24, 2018, 11:03:21 AM
I, for one, welcome King Ghidorah as K-State's new offensive coordinator.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a-zWagTXyvE/U1DA5Qj9pMI/AAAAAAAADQQ/7ixvMo5Hz3k/s1600/Ghidorah-1024x662.jpg)
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on January 24, 2018, 11:07:03 AM
I expect us to be more aggressive, which should be fun

Yessir
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: kso_FAN on January 24, 2018, 11:07:56 AM
About the best possible scenario. I like it.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MadCat on January 24, 2018, 11:49:46 AM
I, for one, welcome King Ghidorah as K-State's new offensive coordinator.
Attention opposing defenses: Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on January 24, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
it doesn't make any sense.  either Coleman is also a co-coordinator, or Klein/Dickey are assistants to the regional coordinator
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Big Sam on January 24, 2018, 01:51:54 PM

Sean can pull double duty and take the 3rd and long OC. He's creamed his pleads for years waiting to call a QB pooch punt on one.

I have to wonder who didn't pull the trigger on the Will Geary fake punt (with Geary taking the short snap as the punt protector).  They ran it Will's freshman year in bowl practice and he took it to the house.  Was it Sean afraid to take the risk, or Bill stepping in and playing it safe?

Just the thought of seeing big Will rumbling down the field with the ball made me a bit excited.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: cfbandyman on January 24, 2018, 05:38:58 PM

Sean can pull double duty and take the 3rd and long OC. He's creamed his pleads for years waiting to call a QB pooch punt on one.

I have to wonder who didn't pull the trigger on the Will Geary fake punt (with Geary taking the short snap as the punt protector).  They ran it Will's freshman year in bowl practice and he took it to the house.  Was it Sean afraid to take the risk, or Bill stepping in and playing it safe?

Just the thought of seeing big Will rumbling down the field with the ball made me a bit excited.

Too bad he's a senior and graduating(ed)
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Pete on January 24, 2018, 06:53:08 PM
About the best possible scenario. I like it.

Totally agree.  This is a good thing for the KSU cats.  AND, I have my eye this Andre Coleman chap as a possible HC someday...   :fatty:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: raquetcat on January 24, 2018, 07:01:56 PM
Fun fact about our new OC: he leaves his black caddy running when he drops off his daughter at preschool  :gocho:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on January 24, 2018, 07:07:01 PM
Fun fact about our new OC: he leaves his black caddy running when he drops off his daughter at preschool  :gocho:

which one
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: raquetcat on January 24, 2018, 07:10:46 PM
Fun fact about our new OC: he leaves his black caddy running when he drops off his daughter at preschool  :gocho:

which one

Ha, Andre of course. Do  you think Collin drives a black Cadillac? Seems like more of a f 150 guy to me
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: michigancat on January 24, 2018, 07:11:05 PM
is this Bill's first minority coordinator? Better late than never!
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Katpappy on January 24, 2018, 10:55:09 PM
Mo?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: kearneymen on January 25, 2018, 07:00:29 AM
Excited for Coleman!  He seems like he has really worked his butt off since showing up on campus.  His recruiting efforts have really paid huge dividends for K-State and the WR's and returners have been mostly solid.

I hope he dominates as our new O-Coordinator.  The offensive unit should be pretty solid.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on January 25, 2018, 08:38:42 AM
I started liking Coleman as an in-game decisionmaker when he pleaded for us to go for it on 4th and 1 against TCU in 2015.  It was the right call, and he was the only one who got it right.

Seems like lots of chefs in the kitchen, but I like all three of these guys.  Hopefully they work well together.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: michigancat on January 25, 2018, 08:39:35 AM
Mo?
Was he ever a coordinator???
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Gooch on January 25, 2018, 08:47:41 AM
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1180209/KSU-DERP.gif)

 :nono: Collin didn't call that play. He just ran it very poorly.
That play was awesome. I don't care what anyone says. I wish it would have worked.  :love:

weird take
71 and 44 are making that tackle easily.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: cfbandyman on January 25, 2018, 09:16:28 PM
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1180209/KSU-DERP.gif)

 :nono: Collin didn't call that play. He just ran it very poorly.
That play was awesome. I don't care what anyone says. I wish it would have worked.  :love:

weird take
71 and 44 are making that tackle easily.

Nah, if it's a clean exchange (lol) Harper would've kept moving to his right and Hubert's block would've been the important one
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 25, 2018, 10:03:39 PM
gawd I forgot about that hilarious play
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Katpappy on January 25, 2018, 10:33:10 PM
Mo?
Was he ever a coordinator???
D-Line coordinator?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: KITNfury on January 26, 2018, 08:14:18 AM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on January 26, 2018, 09:35:01 AM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection. 

Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on January 26, 2018, 09:36:49 AM
Regardless, I hope we own the two quarterback system next year and play both Delton and Thompson.  We are too good at the QB run game, and Delton is too damn good at it, to give up on that.  Thompson can't run that (and live), and he is too good of a passer to be on the bench.  Solution:  Play both.  Make teams prepare for both styles.  Use that gigantic playbook to our advantage.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on January 26, 2018, 09:52:25 AM
line them both up in the shotgun at the same time
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MadCat on January 26, 2018, 10:50:13 AM
Daisho formation:
One QB lines up at pistol (wakazashi)
One QB lines up at shotgun (katana)
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: CD on January 26, 2018, 02:48:29 PM
Base salaries for next year
Andre Coleman $440,000
Charlie Dickey $480,000
Collin Klein $300,000

Somewhat interesting to me that Coleman seems to be the main OC but is still getting paid less. I don't pay much attention to assistant coaches salaries so maybe this is normal for an experience gap like this.

http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article196890814.html
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: hatingfrancisco on January 26, 2018, 03:00:26 PM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

Uh what?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: CatMission on January 26, 2018, 03:53:29 PM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

My understanding is that Miller used to call 1st/2nd down and Dimel called 3rd down. This led to a lot of personnel confusion, wasted timeouts and delay of game penalties. It was Coleman who called out the ridiculousness of this system to Snyder and convinced him to change.


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Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 27, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: michigancat on January 27, 2018, 03:53:13 PM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 27, 2018, 05:24:07 PM
weird take steffy
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on January 27, 2018, 05:48:28 PM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on January 27, 2018, 05:59:01 PM
Doubling down on that hot take feels like the right move
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 27, 2018, 06:08:32 PM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Muldoon on January 27, 2018, 06:46:14 PM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 27, 2018, 07:00:40 PM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

I didn't attack steffy nor did I claim anything about this conversation is fact based. I pointed out to him why another poster read a racial element into his post. I'm not quite sure what your issue is here.

Pretty odd time to wag your finger at me.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on January 29, 2018, 08:23:49 AM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.

But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on January 29, 2018, 08:41:18 AM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.

But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.

If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.

Your's wouldn't. 
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on January 29, 2018, 09:44:34 AM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.

But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.

Wallow in your white privilege guilt much?  Or if you are black, i'm so sorry this racist prick has offended you with his ignorant, intolerant, hate filled opinions.   If you are neither,  :runaway:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2018, 09:48:02 AM
Wb, try the pit  :excited:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on January 29, 2018, 10:24:17 AM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.

But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.

If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.

Your's wouldn't.

Hypothetical scenario's are fun!
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on January 29, 2018, 10:41:15 AM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.

But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.

If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.

Your's wouldn't.

Hypothetical scenario's are fun!

That's all you got?  Pointing out that this is a hypothetical?  No kidding!

Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed.  So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job.  But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)?  That, to me, is weird.

I'm done talking about it.  Race discussions bore me very quickly.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: manpow5 on January 29, 2018, 10:46:20 AM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.

But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.

If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.

Your's wouldn't.

Wait... so in this scenario, would that have made Jake Waters also black and #Life white? Would that have also meant that #Life would have most likely been a starter over Jake Waters instead of water's over #Life?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 29, 2018, 12:04:42 PM
woah
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Trim on January 29, 2018, 12:08:56 PM
woah

Stop being so excitable, if you can help it.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Katpappy on January 29, 2018, 01:14:19 PM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.

But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.

If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.

Your's wouldn't.

Hypothetical scenario's are fun!

That's all you got?  Pointing out that this is a hypothetical?  No kidding!

Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed.  So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job.  But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)?  That, to me, is weird.

I'm done talking about it.  Race discussions bore me very quickly.
Could this be why?  Those who bring this crap up are self imposed PC police, who jump at the chance to give their "I'm a better person than you" opinions.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: hatingfrancisco on January 29, 2018, 02:52:09 PM
woah

Stop being so excitable, if you can help it.

Your best post in years.   :ROFL:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 29, 2018, 03:41:23 PM
woah

Stop being so excitable, if you can help it.
:ROFL:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on February 02, 2018, 03:04:03 PM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.

But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.

If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.

Your's wouldn't.

Hypothetical scenario's are fun!

That's all you got?  Pointing out that this is a hypothetical?  No kidding!

Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed.  So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job.  But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)?  That, to me, is weird.

I'm done talking about it.  Race discussions bore me very quickly.
Could this be why?  Those who bring this crap up are self imposed PC police, who jump at the chance to give their "I'm a better person than you" opinions.

Dude's, everyone relax, none of this is to indict anyone, but the fact that the simple act of pointing out that language is embedded with symbolic assumptions, some of them racial, results in a Steffy emotional tirade is telling. That's all. This is in the spirit of pointing out that this is a large scale problem, not some problem of the individual mind or of any particular poster on this board. This isn't about individuals.

As far as the cerebral play calling guy in the booth and fiery sideline guy down with the players claim, I, as others on this board have pointed out as well, remain less than convinced that this correlation even exists. How do you know this? How do you know that Coleman wouldn't come off more as a cerebral guy if he were in the booth and not on the sidelines in the midst of it all? I mean Andre was never known as some fiery ra-ra guy as a Cat. My recollection from being in the stands those years was that he was a fairly straight forward, give the ball back to the ref type of receiver. Similar to Klein in that way on the field. Wouldn't personality on the field be similar to personality as a coach?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Katpappy on February 02, 2018, 04:27:39 PM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.

But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.

If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.

Your's wouldn't.

Hypothetical scenario's are fun!

That's all you got?  Pointing out that this is a hypothetical?  No kidding!

Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed.  So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job.  But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)?  That, to me, is weird.

I'm done talking about it.  Race discussions bore me very quickly.
Could this be why?  Those who bring this crap up are self imposed PC police, who jump at the chance to give their "I'm a better person than you" opinions.

Dude's, everyone relax, none of this is to indict anyone, but the fact that the simple act of pointing out that language is embedded with symbolic assumptions, some of them racial, results in a Steffy emotional tirade is telling. That's all. This is in the spirit of pointing out that this is a large scale problem, not some problem of the individual mind or of any particular poster on this board. This isn't about individuals.

As far as the cerebral play calling guy in the booth and fiery sideline guy down with the players claim, I, as others on this board have pointed out as well, remain less than convinced that this correlation even exists. How do you know this? How do you know that Coleman wouldn't come off more as a cerebral guy if he were in the booth and not on the sidelines in the midst of it all? I mean Andre was never known as some fiery ra-ra guy as a Cat. My recollection from being in the stands those years was that he was a fairly straight forward, give the ball back to the ref type of receiver. Similar to Klein in that way on the field. Wouldn't personality on the field be similar to personality as a coach?
Actually, I could give a crap about who's in the box or on the sideline.  In Steffy's warped mind he thinks CK is not emotional enough for the sideline, but Coleman is.  My take is the stupid rough ridin' racist accusations that pop up every time someone brings up a black verses white guy scenario.  Like a bunch of PC kids looking for a chance to add this crap.  It gets old.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: CD on February 07, 2018, 12:53:02 PM
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/961309205163659264
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on February 07, 2018, 12:56:53 PM
Dickey is the most cerebral logical choice
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: CHONGS on February 07, 2018, 02:16:26 PM
Dickey is the most cerebral logical choice
I'll need a DNA test to determine that thank you.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on February 07, 2018, 02:25:47 PM
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/961309205163659264

Is this common...trial runs to determine who will be in the booth? A 3 headed OC situation? Is this just Snyder wizardry or the sign of the sinking ship?
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MadCat on February 07, 2018, 02:55:05 PM
OC Hunger Games
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: KITNfury on February 07, 2018, 02:58:31 PM
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/961309205163659264

Is this common...trial runs to determine who will be in the booth? A 3 headed OC situation? Is this just Snyder wizardry or the sign of the sinking ship?
Pretty sure it's gonna be exacly like I said before all the dumbasses got caught up in a race war. Coleman will get two options and choose one.  Which BTW, he can be on the sidelines to do.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on February 07, 2018, 03:02:17 PM
That race war was definitely epic
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Yard Dog on February 07, 2018, 03:10:35 PM
So. . .kinda like when you are playing a football video game and you can select play type ie "pass" or "run" which then lets you select what coach suggests on each down. I'm not sure if this is a novel idea but it is an interesting one.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2018, 05:12:12 PM
Dickey is the most cerebral logical choice
I'll need a DNA test to determine that thank you.

Dickey's wife may, shall I say, muddy the waters.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Trim on February 07, 2018, 07:01:37 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on February 11, 2018, 12:11:48 PM
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/961309205163659264

Is this common...trial runs to determine who will be in the booth? A 3 headed OC situation? Is this just Snyder wizardry or the sign of the sinking ship?
Pretty sure it's gonna be exacly like I said before all the dumbasses got caught up in a race war. Coleman will get two options and choose one.  Which BTW, he can be on the sidelines to do.

Ha...maybe this'll work, assuming the three have a good working relationship...which I have no idea about.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on September 19, 2018, 08:37:07 AM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.

But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.

If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.

Your's wouldn't.

Hypothetical scenario's are fun!

That's all you got?  Pointing out that this is a hypothetical?  No kidding!

Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed.  So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job.  But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)?  That, to me, is weird.

I'm done talking about it.  Race discussions bore me very quickly.
Could this be why?  Those who bring this crap up are self imposed PC police, who jump at the chance to give their "I'm a better person than you" opinions.

Dude's, everyone relax, none of this is to indict anyone, but the fact that the simple act of pointing out that language is embedded with symbolic assumptions, some of them racial, results in a Steffy emotional tirade is telling. That's all. This is in the spirit of pointing out that this is a large scale problem, not some problem of the individual mind or of any particular poster on this board. This isn't about individuals.

As far as the cerebral play calling guy in the booth and fiery sideline guy down with the players claim, I, as others on this board have pointed out as well, remain less than convinced that this correlation even exists. How do you know this? How do you know that Coleman wouldn't come off more as a cerebral guy if he were in the booth and not on the sidelines in the midst of it all? I mean Andre was never known as some fiery ra-ra guy as a Cat. My recollection from being in the stands those years was that he was a fairly straight forward, give the ball back to the ref type of receiver. Similar to Klein in that way on the field. Wouldn't personality on the field be similar to personality as a coach?
Actually, I could give a crap about who's in the box or on the sideline.  In Steffy's warped mind he thinks CK is not emotional enough for the sideline, but Coleman is.  My take is the stupid rough ridin' racist accusations that pop up every time someone brings up a black verses white guy scenario.  Like a bunch of PC kids looking for a chance to add this crap.  It gets old.

Once again, Steffy08 destroys the moron PC internet mob.
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article218614240.html
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: meow meow on September 19, 2018, 09:00:31 AM
first off, no one is reading that.  second off, way to destroy katdaddy and some other posters i've never heard of
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: michigancat on September 19, 2018, 12:47:07 PM
Didn't Snyder, back in the day, have two co-coordinators suggest a play and he'd pick the winner?

I'm assuming Coleman will now be the decision maker w/ the other two making suggestions. Snyder probably opts out unless super critical moment in game.

The playcaller has to be in the box.  Coleman does a lot of coaching on the sidelines.  I think Klein is a better personality for being up there grinding over down/distance/situation play selection.

What in the world are you talking about? There are play callers on the sideline all over the place, on every level of football. The Big 12 champion has the head coach calling plays.

what he's trying to say is white people are better at numbers/critical thinking. I disagree, personally.

Only a rascist would read race into this post.  Race card race card etc yawn.

Look at Coleman on sideline.  Look at Klein when he used to be there.  Coleman is animated, fired up, coaching, hands on.  Klein is not.  Now, which of those two would you rather stick up in the box?  And which of those two would you want on the sideline.  It’s about personality.

Do you seriously not understand that your opinion is completely based on your observation and nothing else? Additionally that observation, intentional or not, plays off of a stereotype about blacks being emotional and whites bring cerebral, you really don't see that?

And before you say anything about "race card" please know the first time you made this observation, I didn't address it in this manner, benefit of the doubt. The second time you made the point it becomes a little harder to ignore.
Dude...it's an internet message board. With few exceptions, every post on this board is based on the poster's opinion. You seem to have a boner for attacking others opinions. Your counter-posts are no more based in fact than any of the other crap posted here.

This can be true. What can be equally true is that people's opinion's contain a racial element. This is America, jfc, and racial element does not always mean racist element. But all kinds of language and opinion are embedded in racial assumptions, regardless of the explicit intention of the speaker/poster. The fact that this isn't just elementary historical knowledge in our citizenry and instead we always get de-evolution into whiny, panties wearing "you played the race card" retorts is pretty rough ridin' depressing.

But yea, the fiery black guy probably shouldn't be "grinding" through down and distance, let him cheer lead and entertain from the sidelines. This is a family stadium after all and we're trying to MAGA.

If Klein was black and Coleman was white, my take would be the same.

Your's wouldn't.

Hypothetical scenario's are fun!

That's all you got?  Pointing out that this is a hypothetical?  No kidding!

Essentially, you are admitting that you would have no problem with my take if the races were reversed.  So I can have a take about what type of personality is best fit for certain job.  But if that take involves a certain race combination, I can't have it (or shouldn't express it)?  That, to me, is weird.

I'm done talking about it.  Race discussions bore me very quickly.
Could this be why?  Those who bring this crap up are self imposed PC police, who jump at the chance to give their "I'm a better person than you" opinions.

Dude's, everyone relax, none of this is to indict anyone, but the fact that the simple act of pointing out that language is embedded with symbolic assumptions, some of them racial, results in a Steffy emotional tirade is telling. That's all. This is in the spirit of pointing out that this is a large scale problem, not some problem of the individual mind or of any particular poster on this board. This isn't about individuals.

As far as the cerebral play calling guy in the booth and fiery sideline guy down with the players claim, I, as others on this board have pointed out as well, remain less than convinced that this correlation even exists. How do you know this? How do you know that Coleman wouldn't come off more as a cerebral guy if he were in the booth and not on the sidelines in the midst of it all? I mean Andre was never known as some fiery ra-ra guy as a Cat. My recollection from being in the stands those years was that he was a fairly straight forward, give the ball back to the ref type of receiver. Similar to Klein in that way on the field. Wouldn't personality on the field be similar to personality as a coach?
Actually, I could give a crap about who's in the box or on the sideline.  In Steffy's warped mind he thinks CK is not emotional enough for the sideline, but Coleman is.  My take is the stupid rough ridin' racist accusations that pop up every time someone brings up a black verses white guy scenario.  Like a bunch of PC kids looking for a chance to add this crap.  It gets old.

Once again, Steffy08 destroys the moron PC internet mob.
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article218614240.html

Correlation does not equal causation (I mean look who we played). Also you're still kind of a gross racist.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: star seed 7 on September 19, 2018, 01:23:29 PM
I mean, racisty08 said in the first post that the play caller has to be in the booth and Coleman is too dumb to call plays. The article doesn't really back him up on those points.
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: Steffy08 on September 19, 2018, 06:01:38 PM
Double down on the race card play rather than admit defeat??  Interesting strategy.

 :Crybaby:
Title: Re: Who should the new OC be?
Post by: wetwillie on September 19, 2018, 06:46:39 PM
Steffy do you think we will boat race WVU now that andre is on the sidelines?