Author Topic: QB rotation stunting Sams growth (Read 19039 times)

_33 · « **on:** November 25, 2013, 08:57:29 AM »

Right? I mean they take him out on 3rd and five like he can't complete a quick out/slant. He is completing 73% of his passes. Obviously sometimes his decision making is questionable but that's something that gets better with repetition. It's like the 3 picks in the OSU game happened (where he was 15-21 with 2 TD's btw) and all of the sudden he can't be allowed to pass. This QB rotation is hurting KSU in the long run and possibly also currently. If Sams isn't allowed to develop as a passer then he should go somewhere else.

michigancat · « **Reply #1 on:** November 25, 2013, 09:02:02 AM »

The coaches only care about completing long bombs.

CNS · « **Reply #2 on:** November 25, 2013, 09:05:06 AM »

Sams is some cruel form of brainwashing that Bill is using to get as much of us in line as possible. Pretty classic method. Show us something appealing, then beat us. Repeat until we stop choosing the appealing option and come around to doing exactly what he says is the thing to do.

_33 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 25, 2013, 09:49:08 AM »

Did you guys see all the diverse ways OU was getting their QB out in space? Meanwhile our coaches make Sams run 2 QB draws and then pull him on 3rd and 4.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #4 on:** November 25, 2013, 09:50:56 AM »

Snyder has never been a QB bootleg guy, its weird.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #5 on:** November 25, 2013, 09:54:56 AM »

I wouldn't mind pulling Sams on 3rd down so much if Waters wasn't awful at converting them. He is awful, though, and Sams has been very successful on 3rd down this season.

Trim · « **Reply #6 on:** November 25, 2013, 09:55:58 AM »

Skipper44 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 25, 2013, 09:58:01 AM »

Quote from: CNS on November 25, 2013, 09:05:06 AM

Sams is some cruel form of brainwashing that Bill is using to get as much of us in line as possible. Pretty classic method. Show us something appealing, then beat us. Repeat until we stop choosing the appealing option and come around to doing exactly what he says is the thing to do.

He has broken me - If HCSS is what it takes for Sams to be the starter then somebody hand me the truck wheel cleaner.

_33 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 25, 2013, 09:59:42 AM »

Quote from: Trim on November 25, 2013, 09:55:58 AM

This is so infuriating.

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #9 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:12:24 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FENCE on November 25, 2013, 09:50:56 AM

Snyder has never been a QB bootleg guy, its weird.

my memory says that they did it some with matt miller but my memory can't even tell me what i have for dinner five days ago so take that fwiw. in sams we have a guy that seems to have unlimited potential but has never in his entire life been allowed to be a full time qb. that's probably what makes him accepting of his role but so mind numbingly frustrating for fans. just let him play and learn and fail sometimes but he absolutely should play.

_33 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:14:39 AM »

Quote from: rick daris on November 25, 2013, 10:12:24 AM

Quote from: ksu_FENCE on November 25, 2013, 09:50:56 AM
Snyder has never been a QB bootleg guy, its weird.

my memory says that they did it some with matt miller but my memory can't even tell me what i have for dinner five days ago so take that fwiw. in sams we have a guy that seems to have unlimited potential but has never in his entire life been allowed to be a full time qb. that's probably what makes him accepting of his role but so mind numbingly frustrating for fans. just let him play and learn and fail sometimes but he absolutely should play.

Yeah, I'm fine with a 2001 if it leads to a 2002/2003.

AbeFroman · « **Reply #11 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:17:04 AM »

This same crap better not happen next season. I wish Waters was a senior

kso_FAN · « **Reply #12 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:18:15 AM »

Big 12 QB usage by percentage:
UT - Waters 85/15
OSU - Sams 86/14
BU - Sams 55/45
WVU - 52/48 Waters
ISU -52/40 Waters
Tech - 71/29 Waters
TCU - 59/41 Waters
OU - 94/6 Waters

It seems we've played the best when the balance is 60/40ish either way.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #13 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:22:11 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FENCE on November 25, 2013, 10:18:15 AM

Big 12 QB usage by percentage:
UT - Waters 85/15
OSU - Sams 86/14
BU - Sams 55/45
WVU - 52/48 Waters
ISU -52/40 Waters
Tech - 71/29 Waters
TCU - 59/41 Waters
OU - 94/6 Waters

It seems we've played the best when the balance is 60/40ish either way.

I think the best game we have played all year was at OSU when it was 86/14 Sams.

Trim · « **Reply #14 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:22:58 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FENCE on November 25, 2013, 10:18:15 AM

It seems we've played the best when the balance is 60/40ish either way.

I want this quote on the back of my ksu_FENCE t-shirt.

AbeFroman · « **Reply #15 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:25:15 AM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on November 25, 2013, 10:22:11 AM

Quote from: ksu_FENCE on November 25, 2013, 10:18:15 AM
Big 12 QB usage by percentage:
UT - Waters 85/15
OSU - Sams 86/14
BU - Sams 55/45
WVU - 52/48 Waters
ISU -52/40 Waters
Tech - 71/29 Waters
TCU - 59/41 Waters
OU - 94/6 Waters

It seems we've played the best when the balance is 60/40ish either way.

I think the best game we have played all year was at OSU when it was 86/14 Sams.

Yeah, OSU is probably going to win the conference and if they didn't eff up against WVU they'd be in the national title discussion. We almost beat them at their place. Although Sams did have some terrible throws that game (growing pains)

kso_FAN · « **Reply #16 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:32:22 AM »

Big 12 games:
Opponent   YDS/PLAY
Oklahoma   7.3
West Virginia   7.0
Iowa St.   6.6
Texas Tech   6.6
TCU   6.4
Texas   5.7
Baylor   5.6
Oklahoma St.   5.1

Opponent   PTS/PLAY
Texas Tech   0.875
Oklahoma   0.608
Iowa St.   0.603
West Virginia   0.547
TCU   0.516
Oklahoma St.   0.439
Baylor   0.313
Texas   0.309

Opponent   TOS/PLAY
Texas Tech   0.000
Baylor   0.013
Iowa St.   0.015
West Virginia   0.031
TCU   0.031
Oklahoma   0.039
Texas   0.044
Oklahoma St.   0.076

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #17 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:33:19 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FENCE on November 25, 2013, 10:32:22 AM

Big 12 games:
Opponent   YDS/PLAY
Oklahoma   7.3
West Virginia   7.0
Iowa St.   6.6
Texas Tech   6.6
TCU   6.4
Texas   5.7
Baylor   5.6
Oklahoma St.   5.1

Opponent   PTS/PLAY
Texas Tech   0.875
Oklahoma   0.608
Iowa St.   0.603
West Virginia   0.547
TCU   0.516
Oklahoma St.   0.439
Baylor   0.313
Texas   0.309

Opponent   TOS/PLAY
Texas Tech   0.000
Baylor   0.013
Iowa St.   0.015
West Virginia   0.031
TCU   0.031
Oklahoma   0.039
Texas   0.044
Oklahoma St.   0.076

Now do yards and points per drive.

michigancat · « **Reply #18 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:38:02 AM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on November 25, 2013, 10:33:19 AM

Quote from: ksu_FENCE on November 25, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
Big 12 games:
Opponent   YDS/PLAY
Oklahoma   7.3
West Virginia   7.0
Iowa St.   6.6
Texas Tech   6.6
TCU   6.4
Texas   5.7
Baylor   5.6
Oklahoma St.   5.1

Opponent   PTS/PLAY
Texas Tech   0.875
Oklahoma   0.608
Iowa St.   0.603
West Virginia   0.547
TCU   0.516
Oklahoma St.   0.439
Baylor   0.313
Texas   0.309

Opponent   TOS/PLAY
Texas Tech   0.000
Baylor   0.013
Iowa St.   0.015
West Virginia   0.031
TCU   0.031
Oklahoma   0.039
Texas   0.044
Oklahoma St.   0.076

Now do yards and points per drive.

also do time of possession

michigancat · « **Reply #19 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:39:56 AM »

I'm back to being rough ridin' pissed. I was swayed a bit by Waters' magical bombs but eff this crap.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #20 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:40:26 AM »

Quote from: _33 on November 25, 2013, 09:49:08 AM

Did you guys see all the diverse ways OU was getting their QB out in space?

This is what has frustrated me the most with how Sams has been used. We've seen it every single week with opposing QBs. Every time he runs outside of the tackles its him trying to make something happen instead of a designed play. All of his success this season has been in spite of the completely dry, non creative and repetitive play calling. It's abhorrent.

Trogdor · « **Reply #21 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:43:07 AM »

Obviously biased seniority

michigancat · « **Reply #22 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:45:59 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FENCE on November 25, 2013, 10:32:22 AM

Big 12 games:
Opponent   YDS/PLAY
Oklahoma   7.3
West Virginia   7.0
Iowa St.   6.6
Texas Tech   6.6
TCU   6.4
Texas   5.7
Baylor   5.6
Oklahoma St.   5.1

Opponent   PTS/PLAY
Texas Tech   0.875
Oklahoma   0.608
Iowa St.   0.603
West Virginia   0.547
TCU   0.516
Oklahoma St.   0.439
Baylor   0.313
Texas   0.309

Opponent   TOS/PLAY
Texas Tech   0.000
Baylor   0.013
Iowa St.   0.015
West Virginia   0.031
TCU   0.031
Oklahoma   0.039
Texas   0.044
Oklahoma St.   0.076

I mean, we outgained oSu and Baylor had one more yard than us. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

kso_FAN · « **Reply #23 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:46:08 AM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on November 25, 2013, 10:33:19 AM

Now do yards and points per drive.

Opponent   YDS/DRIVE
West Virginia   37.3
Baylor   37.1
Texas   35.5
Iowa St.   34.4
Oklahoma   33.8
Texas Tech   33.4
TCU   31.6
Oklahoma St.   28.0

Opponent   Points/DRIVE
Texas Tech   4.45
Iowa St.   3.15
West Virginia   2.92
Oklahoma   2.82
TCU   2.54
Oklahoma St.   2.42
Baylor   2.08
Texas   1.91

Opponent   TOS/DRIVE
Texas Tech   0.000
Iowa St.   0.077
Baylor   0.083
TCU   0.154
West Virginia   0.167
Oklahoma   0.182
Texas   0.273
Oklahoma St.   0.417

michigancat · « **Reply #24 on:** November 25, 2013, 10:49:15 AM »

If you're in the mood for being infuriated like I am, just take a look at the Baylor play-by-play

http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=332852306&period=0