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Kansas State Football / Re: Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« on: December 07, 2012, 04:20:22 PM »Exactly, Klein had 1 bad game thats it. Maybe thats where my butthurtness stems from. All it took was that one bad game for everyone to forget the rest of the season then the ESPN hype machine was in full effect for JM. I just hope Teo steals it from him somehowYES. One bad game was all it needed to take for Klein this year.
Everyone was willing to look past his otherwise less than mindblowing statistics (that heisman winners usually have) if he could have gotten K-State to a national championship. Klein's whole deal is "he's consistent and he's a winner," well against Baylor, he blew it.We played fewer teams that are horrible. He played more teams that are better than our best team. He also had far better numbers than Klein.Right, but "bowl teams" is just another metric. Why should "bowl teams" be more important than "BCS bowl teams," or "currently ranked" teams, or "10 win" teams?A&M lost 2 of those 3....K-State won bothSo that somehow makes K-State's schedule harder?
No, the fact we played pretty much double the amount of bowl teams makes it a harder schedule.
Granted, K-State's SOS is 13 and A&M's is 29th. BUT that difference is relatively marginal and Klein has far worse statistics. SOS is only part of it. Wins is only a part of it. But only a part, that's why Golden at ND (8th SOS, undefeated) isn't a heisman contender.
You have to be in the NC or have the numbers. Klein doesn't have either. Manziel does.
I am not going to get into all of this again I took apart these talking points earlier in the week. Dlew if you're going to call people dumbasses and the such you need to reassess a couple of things, namely that Klein had a bad game against Baylor thus disqualifying him/not making him worthy to win the Heisman.
Klein did not have a horrible game against Baylor. Not using the standard of other Klein games this season, not using the standard of Manziel games, and not using the standard by other dual threat QBs who historically won the Heisman minus Cam Newton. Klein had 3 TDs and nearly 300 yards passing, you won't have to look hard to find worse games by the three groups I mentioned in the previous sentence. Yes, he threw three picks which was his high, but goodness it isn't historically awful and we shouldn't make it out to be. And losing late also historically doesn't matter as far as winning the Heisman so please don't mention that again.
This isn't about whether Klein is worthy of winning the Heisman. Their standard is ambiguous, and there have been recent winners with worse numbers. There is always an argument for who is or isn't worthy that can be made for anyone. This is about people using lazy arguments to justify who they think is best, it angers me when some dumbass fat, cheet-o eating sports writer does this. It makes me rage filled when a K-Stater uses the same dumb argument to try to cut down other K-Staters who want something good for their school and a guy who busted his ass for five years.
Would I have voted for Klein in I lived in Seattle and unaffiliated with Kansas State, I don't know. What I do know is that I wouldn't make my decision based on the fact that one of the candidates had a "bad" game in which he threw for 300 yards and had three scores and then vote for a guy who had two "bad" games where he threw for a combined 449 yards and 0 passing TDs in an offense predicated upon him throwing, a lot. I can also say with fair certainty that if you were a heisman voter unattached to a school and unswayed by media coverage that if you had a guy with Klein's profile leading going into the Baylor game you wouldn't drop him for the game that he had when he had 3 or 4 worse before that one. Also did you know that in the Alabama game he threw for less yards and the same amount of TD passes than Klein did against Baylor?
What I'm saying is stop trying to sound intellectually superior to other fans when the method of making a decision is logically flawed and just as based on emotion as the people you are railing against.
Outstanding post!
i dont get it this is hard for me
