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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2017, 08:29:46 PM
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Is there a thread for how mumped up Hollywood liberals have been? Need a link. IT somehow blocked gE at work with their new upgrade. :bawl: still killing it tho. :emawkid:
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He should almost certainly be in jail for a long time
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yeah, total sleazeball
also kevin spacey, wtf???
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yeah, also in jail
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i think dax tried this thread too but it didn't go like he wanted either
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Thanks bud! :thumbs: My guy Louie CK turns out to be a creep today. That really rough ridin' sucks. He makes me laugh. Lots of dumbasses out there in Hollywood getting exposed right now.
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i think dax tried this thread too but it didn't go like he wanted either
there have to be libs here who'd rather vote for weinstein than the alternative of baio.
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The Hollywood crap is expected, but still super sad.
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Oh sure SD flaunts his criminal history on the board this week but wants to condemn others to jail for crimes they haven't even been tried for.
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Oh sure SD flaunts his criminal history on the board this week but wants to condemn others to jail for crimes they haven't even been tried for.
I served my time
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:lol:
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The louis ck one hurts the most
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And also the weirdest. He wants to DOB in front of people?
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how about charlie sheen :sdeek:
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I'm lost hearing the CK news. He fills my funny bone.
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how about charlie sheen :sdeek:
guy has problems
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so he raped haim on the set of lucas, and then they had sex again a little before haim died and then charlie got hiv and now people think maybe haim purposely gave charlie sheen aids :sdeek:
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I just started doing things with my wife 5 years in and by weird things I mean wearing my socks. These ppl guys!
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Is it still okay to watch American Beauty?
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Is it still okay to watch American Beauty?
well it's the best movie of all time so yes
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so he raped haim on the set of lucas, and then they had sex again a little before haim died and then charlie got hiv and now people think maybe haim purposely gave charlie sheen aids :sdeek:
Holy crap! Link?
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Thanks bud! :thumbs: My guy Louie CK turns out to be a creep today. That really rough ridin' sucks. He makes me laugh. Lots of dumbasses out there in Hollywood getting exposed right now.
I mean, was there ever any doubt? It’s so incredibly easy to imagine Louis CK doing exactly what the accounts say. I feel like he was always open about being a gross creep.
Still super funny comic, tho.
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He's my favorite guy. I had no idea he took the Cosby track.
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He's my favorite guy. I had no idea he took the Cosby track.
lets be fair, he's a creep, but he's no Cosby.
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True
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Selfishly I hope he keeps his show and continues to tour. He's by far my favorite comedian. He just needs to keep his dick in his pants moving forward.
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Damn. His movie is postponed. Sad. I know a huge Kstate liberal who liked to helicopter his dick at parties. I wonder how he feels about this.
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Can I just get the short list of celebrities that haven't committed sexual assault?
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Can I just get the short list of celebrities that haven't committed sexual assault?
maybe the kids from It?
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from what I've read on seagal it sounds like he was the original casting couch director
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Can I just get the short list of celebrities that haven't committed sexual assault?
The good looking ones
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These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true.
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:crossfingers:
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The full statement is good
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I agree. I love that he's owning it too. Sucks that HBO and Netflix have already dropped him today. Also a movie he's making has been postponed.
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One of them he asked and she said yes but then later decided it was creepy. That doesn't seem like sexual assault to me. :dunno:
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I thought the deal was that it was people he worked with. And he's basically the boss.
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I thought the deal was that it was people he worked with. And he's basically the boss.
I think they were like up and coming comedians who looked up to him. Maybe they were like openers on his shows or something. I don't know if he was the "boss" but I guess they admired him. I mean still at some point, as a woman, you have to say no when you mean no. As far as I know, (maybe I'm wrong) he didn't say "Let me jerk off in front of you or you are fired."
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Yea, the power disparity is always an issue, but I agree you definitely cannot call it assault if you ask a competent adult and they say yes. Still, not many people are calling for him to be prosecuted, they’re just disgusted by it either way.
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PC culture has reached critical mass it would appear
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Wasn't it described as "misconduct" rather than assault in this case?
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When you look like him or Roy or Harvey you gotta open up the playbook
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Wasn't it described as "misconduct" rather than assault in this case?
That's what I'm seeing, someone can show me something otherwise, seems he was being an idiot and a creep, but nothing like Cosby as someone correctly stated earlier.
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I think a lot of this is going to come down to a lot of not great things (exposure, groping, etc) but in my mind there is a fairly decent line between exposing oneself/being a creep, to inappropriate touching, to assault/rape. All those things are wrong, just some are more wrong than others.
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Richard Dreyfuss too.
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Richard Dreyfuss too.
:sdeek:
I can't watch Sandlot with my kid and enjoy it now.
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Can’t believe you guys haven’t railroaded oscar out of town with one of these scandals yet
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Imagine oscar fumbling around trying to expose himself with his tongue half out of his mouth. Not really predatorial.
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Oh man
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Imagine oscar fumbling around trying to expose himself with his tongue half out of his mouth. Not really predatorial.
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/929162820750475264
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:lol:
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looks like i got logged in to chat just in time :lol:
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Man now their coming after George Takei. It's open season.
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It's like bizarro reverse fappening
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i don't get the dick showing impulse. what's the payoff?
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I don't understand it. Guess these weirdos think the girl is going to jump on her knees and have a ball with it.
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no, i think just the showing is the goal.
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I'm curious if it would still be cool if it was his GF or wife or something. is it the fact that it's random people looking at it?
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Same reason some dudes are flashers. Likely a sense of power or control.
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how would showing someone your dick make you feel powerful?
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no, i think just the showing is the goal.
Yes
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how would showing someone your dick make you feel powerful?
You are controlling the situation and what they are looking at.
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how would showing someone your dick make you feel powerful?
You are controlling the situation and what they are looking at.
I think there are 2 camps here. The power people you describe are likely the flashers and people that take advantage of their position or status.
Outing myself as a sexual deviant (big surprise) but I enjoy exhibitionism and personally power isn't important to me. I also have no interest in participating with someone who doesn't want to watch. My enjoyment comes from turning them on (which I suppose could be considered "power"). To answer sd's question, yes, it's just as enjoyable with a committed partner. But there is also a subsect of exhibitionists that like when the watcher is disinterested or ignoring them and I'm just as mystified about the payoff there.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLtw9Tpg9Pg
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thanks for explaining that, liblib. i think i understand that impulse in females, but not in males.
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Not Al Franken too!
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:lol:
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OK, the AL Franken thing is more like that SNL skit where the director is getting an award and they show some of his PSA's from the 80's. It was a different time when things that we now realize were not appropriate were considered appropriate at the time.
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That's like 99% of these cases, Mrs. Gooch. Very good skit btw.
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That's like 99% of these cases, Mrs. Gooch. Very good skit btw.
I don't think a 30 year old fondling a 14 year old was ever appropriate.
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That's where the 1%'rs fall
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Not Al Franken too!
Yeah, not great.
But I will say it again ,we're going to have to decide how bad each kind of level these things are. No excuse for Al, but is that as bad as let's say Moore? Or as bad as Louis CK? Rape? There's just levels of this stuff.
I guess overall what I'm getting at is if you drew up a list of guys (or girls for that matter) who haven't inappropriately touched a member of the opposite sex, or same sex if they're into that, that list would be very very small. Hell even I've had my crotch grabbed a few times at parties or the bar, and my ass grabbed a handful of times. People do stupid stuff, but I am not sure that makes them some giant sexual deviant. You shouldn't do it, but I don't know how much of your life should be ruined over it.
I am glad though that people are being more willing to speak up and talk about it, that kind of stuff will help lead hopefully to more productive ground rules on how to do this, though we will go through a period of this crazy crap for a while.
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Al Franken didn't commit the worst of these crimes but it sounds like he did some shitty things he deserves to be called out on. On some level, I get that "it was a different time" but his behavior was still shitty, particularly for someone who wants to carry the flag as being progressive. I don't think this is a democrat problem or republican problem as some people have tried to frame it. It can become a partisan issue though if the politicians aren't held to a higher standard. I don't know that Franken needs to resign but I wouldn't be sad to see it happen.
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I get grabbed by ladies att
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Al Franken didn't commit the worst of these crimes but it sounds like he did some shitty things he deserves to be called out on. On some level, I get that "it was a different time" but his behavior was still shitty, particularly for someone who wants to carry the flag as being progressive. I don't think this is a democrat problem or republican problem as some people have tried to frame it. It can become a partisan issue though if the politicians aren't held to a higher standard. I don't know that Franken needs to resign but I wouldn't be sad to see it happen.
I would agree with a lot of that. For Al I don't think it is necessarily a resignable offense, but if he did, it would be a powerful statement. Also totally agree it shouldn't be a partisan problem, nor is it some problem resigned to just the rich and powerful.
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This isn't a hidden thing from Franken's past. There was a photo taken that he was obviously aware of and other people were aware of at the time. If he resigns now, what happens if he gets another job and someone brings this up again in 10 years. Does he have to resign from that job too?
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This isn't a hidden thing from Franken's past. There was a photo taken that he was obviously aware of and other people were aware of at the time. If he resigns now, what happens if he gets another job and someone brings this up again in 10 years. Does he have to resign from that job too?
The Weinstein stuff was a pretty open secret, as were a number of the Hollywood items, so I don't know why being a hidden thing matters. Although he may be absolved of punishment in the legal system, I don't think someone holding public office should be absolved of any potential consequences just because the offense happened years ago. Again, I'm not saying he should necessarily be forced to resign but I would like to see him take ownership and hold himself to a higher standard.
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I have read that the dude who took the picture has already stated the lady soldier asked for it to be staged like it is. Interesting if accurate.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360697-franken-releases-new-statement-calls-for-ethics-investigation-of-himself?utm_content=buffer8c4f5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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There sure is a ton of outrage over Franken. It's everywhere
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360697-franken-releases-new-statement-calls-for-ethics-investigation-of-himself?utm_content=buffer8c4f5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Seems like an appropriate step
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360697-franken-releases-new-statement-calls-for-ethics-investigation-of-himself?utm_content=buffer8c4f5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Seems like an appropriate step
yeah, this should be the reaction to all of these
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360697-franken-releases-new-statement-calls-for-ethics-investigation-of-himself?utm_content=buffer8c4f5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Seems like an appropriate step
yeah, this should be the reaction to all of these
Yup, doesn't excuse the behavior but he's owning up to it.
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I have read that the dude who took the picture has already stated the lady soldier asked for it to be staged like it is. Interesting if accurate.
Of course she's lying her ass off about being asleep, she's wearing her body weight in military gear.
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Well, the investigation would reveal that
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360697-franken-releases-new-statement-calls-for-ethics-investigation-of-himself?utm_content=buffer8c4f5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Seems like an appropriate step
yeah, this should be the reaction to all of these
Ya, why wouldn't the President do this too? :lol:
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Good move by Franken IMO.
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So to recap:
The "kiss" was a part of a sketch
She lied about the context and content of the photo
She appears as a guest on Hannity on a semi-regular basis
Roger Stone, her friend, tweeted about this the day before she revealed whatever this was.
What person of consequence will be the first you publicly call this what it is.
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When I entered a Massage Envy in a crowded family shopping center on a Saturday afternoon, I was prepared to have a relaxing massage after a long week. Never did I expect that I would be sexually assaulted by my masseuse, and that Massage Envy would never apologize or take responsibility for what had happened to me in their establishment.
I’m campaigning to demand that Massage Envy change their corporate policy to better protect their clients from sexual assault and support those who are assaulted in their stores.
The way Massage Envy treated me after the incident was almost as traumatizing as my assault. Immediately after leaving the room I told the manager on duty that we needed to call the police. She told me that was not necessary because Massage Envy would handle it internally. When her supervisor called me the next day they told me that they understood that I was “unhappy with my massage experience”, so they would not charge me for the massage.
I never heard from anyone at Massage Envy ever again, even after my attacker was convicted of felony sexual assault. I’ve now learned that there have been countless assaults at Massage Envy stores around the country, yet the company has taken no responsibility for stopping them, or supporting survivors.
The way this corporation treated me was horrific and I don’t want anyone else to have to go through what I did. Sign my petition asking that Massage Envy put in place procedures to protect their clients and support those who are victimized in their stores.
Signed,
Danielle Dick
Massage Envy is a massage place in Wichita.
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We need deets Danielle. So far I’ve gathered she got a massage.
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Massage envy is a chain
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Turns out a lot of shitty people were right about Gabby Douglas being awful, just wrong about why...
https://twitter.com/simone_biles/status/931655875227475968
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Second woman for Al Franken. :facepalm:
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What a disgusting freak.
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The amount of attention this Franken guy is getting is insane. It's all over
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yep he gone
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If he's innocent he better come out with all of the zeal against this. If not, bye.
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His initial response was that he didn't remember, which is obviously far from saying it was something he never would have done.
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If he's innocent he better come out with all of the zeal against this. If not, bye.
Yep. Since he was a senator at the time, this is more squarely in the realm of what an ethics committee can and should investigate. If it didn't happen, he should be pushing hard for that. There should certainly be witnesses. If it did happen, no point in drawing it out.
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More like Stuart Creepy mirite?
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If he's innocent he better come out with all of the zeal against this. If not, bye.
Yep. Since he was a senator at the time, this is more squarely in the realm of what an ethics committee can and should investigate. If it didn't happen, he should be pushing hard for that. There should certainly be witnesses. If it did happen, no point in drawing it out.
Her husband supposedly saw it, I also read like Leeanne Tweeden, these people have Roger Stone ties.
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If he hasn't been grabbin ass in photo ops on the reg this seems like a good opportunity to say he doesn't do that. "I do not recall grabbing that particular ass in that photo" isn't a good look.
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ha, ha, now Charlie Rose.
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Matt Lauer. This firing didn't take long.
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That one really caught me off guard.
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What would happen if like the president got called out for a few sexual assaults? Does he get fired immediately?
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What would happen if like the president got called out for a few sexual assaults? Does he get fired immediately?
No, elected officials are held to a much lower standard than everyone else.
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What would happen if like the president got called out for a few sexual assaults? Does he get fired immediately?
See what happened was the libs started a witch hunt when all the Trump crap came out and started spearing their pitchforks at the GOP for crap that happened like 30+ years ago. Funny thing is, they weren't ready for it to backfire and since it has, they are taking action in firing these dumbasses. Obviously Trump shouldn't be president, but it's pretty entertaining to watch.
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What would happen if like the president got called out for a few sexual assaults? Does he get fired immediately?
See what happened was the libs started a witch hunt when all the Trump crap came out and started spearing their pitchforks at the GOP for crap that happened like 30+ years ago. Funny thing is, they weren't ready for it to backfire and since it has, they are taking action in firing these dumbasses. Obviously Trump shouldn't be president, but it's pretty entertaining to watch.
Wacky bud...I couldn't care less which party the sexual assault perp is linked. They are all crap bags.
Weird how you wanted to dive right into defending a political party
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I'm just laying out the tracks on how this witch hunt developed. Trying to help you connect the dots. They're all shitty ppl, but these ppl coming out of the closet 20-30 years later are kinda crazy themselves as well.
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Wow.
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You don't think they should have taken a stand earlier? Just wait until the masses are called out and then strike? We live in different times, that's for sure.
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Like it's easy to see that these ppl didn't come forward in Hollywood, because they thought somehow these ppl could get them to the top, so they silenced themselves until now. You don't find that kinda mumped up?
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Are you serious you rough ridin' simpleton?
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Some guys just can’t handle power and authority.
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Are you serious you rough ridin' simpleton?
:lol:
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Are you serious you rough ridin' simpleton?
:lol:
Damnit... You can see why people might have thought you were serious though, right?
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Yes. Because it's wacky. :thumbs: ;)
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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/935997143101444097
Geraldo seems like the kind of guy who should maybe be keeping his mouth shut right now.
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/936005318164844544
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Man, I really liked this show. :frown:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/938038002684710912
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I mean it's not like Danny Masterson is the only white idiot in the world that could play that role
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Fair, but he was pretty good at it and I think we're already 2-3 seasons in. How do you just sub a new son?
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Kill him off and bring back fez
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Kill him off and bring back fez
God, I forgot he was on there too. It's pretty much the 70's show on conservative acid.
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Franken been forced out the same time GOP is balls deep into getting Roy Moore elected.
Stick to your morals everyone!
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They have come for the Hollywood types, the senators and government officials, the sports guys have to be awfully rough ridin' nervous right about now.
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Franken been forced out the same time GOP is balls deep into getting Roy Moore elected.
Stick to your morals everyone!
I just heard today that they were trying to get the date of the election moved but the Alabama governor refused and supports Roy Moore herself. There is a write in candidate that is a republican, but I don't think that person has a chance.
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They have come for the Hollywood types, the senators and government officials, the sports guys have to be awfully rough ridin' nervous right about now.
https://twitter.com/wpinvestigates/status/938515356930461698
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https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-owners-james-dolan-marc-lasry-sued-alleged-harvey-weinstein-cover-220859331.html
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Al Franken resigned. Trump should follow suit.
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I'd bet Franken wouldn't have resigned if Minnesota had a Republican governor.
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:lol:
https://twitter.com/JoseCanseco/status/940707855757398017
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The alt-right has fabricated a sexual harassment claim against Chuck Schumer and tried shopping it around to news outlets. Yikes. Those people are the worst.
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Link?
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http://digg.com/2017/chuck-schumer-sexual-harassment-forgery (http://digg.com/2017/chuck-schumer-sexual-harassment-forgery)
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TJ Miller now too
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TJ Miller now too
Not surprised.
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Several of the senators that forced Al Franken to resign are now saying he should not resign. I guess they just wanted to look tough on sexual misconduct when they thought Roy Moore would be joining the senate so they could try to use that to oust him; but now that is unnecessary. :dunno:
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TJ Miller now too
Not surprised.
TJ Miller and his wife Kate released this joint statement:
T.J. Miller and Kate's full statement.
We met this woman over a decade ago while studying together in college, she attempted to break us up back then by plotting for over a year before making contradictory claims and accusations. She attempted to discredit both of our voices and use us against one another by trying to portray Kate to be a continuous abuse victim of T.J. (further efforts to hurt the two of us). She was asked to leave our university comedy group because of worrisome and disturbing behavior, which angered her immensely, she then became fixated on our relationship, and began telling people around campus “I’m going to destroy them” & “I’m going to ruin him.” We are confident that a full consideration of accounts from and since that time will shed light and clarity on the true nature of not only this person’s character, but also on the real facts of the matter. (See the e-mails referenced). We stand together in stating this is nothing more than an unfortunate resurgence of her lies designed to wreak havoc on two happily married people in the public eye. She began again to circulate rumors online once our relationship became public.
Sadly she is now using the current climate to bandwagon and launch these false accusations again. It is unfortunate that she is choosing this route as it undermines the important movement to make women feel safe coming forward about legitimate claims against real known predators.
We stand together and will not allow this person to take advantage of a serious movement toward gender equality by allowing her to use this moment to muddy the water with an unrelated personal agenda. We feel we all have an obligation now more than ever to prevent people from using reporters to spin lies into headlines, and focus instead on what is real.
We both champion and continue to stand up for people everywhere who have truly suffered injustice seeking to have justice brought into their lives. - Kate & T.J. Miller
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TJ Miller now too
Not surprised.
Why?
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TJ Miller now too
Not surprised.
Why?
I assume he has high on marijuanas and couldn't control himself.
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TJ Miller now too
Not surprised.
Why?
Mrs Gooch is an anti-gingerite.
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TJ Miller now too
Not surprised.
Why?
I assume he has high on marijuanas and couldn't control himself.
Oh I thought you were serious, you got me good!
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To you alcoholics on New Years Eve, put a padlock on your zipper. Old Harvey likely has ruined the holiday for you striders.
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https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355/amp
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Not aziz :frown:
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Can someone provide a summary for those of us who don’t want to get viruses from whatever babe.net is?
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That woman should take some responsibility for her own actions as well
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That is really disappointing. If he was just some guy 5 years ago acting like that, I would say that he is a product of our culture where men are encouraged to talk women into sex. But now in light of everything that has happened recently and his particular experience and knowledge, there is no excuse or reason for that behavior.
Although, why would you go ahead and perform oral on someone that you already decided was acting creepy/assaulting you?
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The Aziz allegation is kinda weird, I know that babe.net story tried to point out how different he acted vs how he seems based off his comedy. I mean, I am willing to side with the fact he mumped up but given his routines and how his show Master of None plays out, I get the sense that his real persona actually matched his character a lot, in that he is fairly timid and respectful and very much overthinking towards dating and women. This encounter seems so contra who he is. But, there are always sides to people.
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That is really disappointing. If he was just some guy 5 years ago acting like that, I would say that he is a product of our culture where men are encouraged to talk women into sex. But now in light of everything that has happened recently and his particular experience and knowledge, there is no excuse or reason for that behavior.
Although, why would you go ahead and perform oral on someone that you already decided was acting creepy/assaulting you?
The aspect of this whole movement that most miss is that there is a large swath of women who don't want men to essentially sit around and wait for explicit consent. Despite the me too movement taking hold, changing hundreds of years of bedroom dynamics will take a little more than a couple of months to change.
If we're putting this in the same category as Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby then we will always have this issue. Women, don't agree how the sensual interaction should ideally go so how should men know that? In this specific case these people had mutual oral sex, she did not consent, he didn't have intercourse with her. She leaves, expresses to him that she was not comfortable with how things went down, he apologized. Isn't this exactly what consent looks like? Yes, he was persistent, a lot more than I would be, but by definition he never violated consent. She definitely has the right to consent to oral but not sexual intercourse, I don't even think that's all that unusual.
I think the only unseemly part of this is that we know it happened and the out of control mob that fail to understand the consequences of not being able to apply context and nuance.
Honestly speaking, if this constitutes assault there are a lot of men and women who are assailants who previously thought nothing of the interaction. We probably shouldn't leave it up to twitter to redefine the legal definition of assault because this woman didn't want to feel pressure to have sex after oral.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting Aziz should be charged with anything. But that's a pretty cringeworthy story and very relevant.
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https://twitter.com/GeekyLyndsay/status/952573628301717510
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Yeah, I don't think anything he did was assault. I do think that with his history of speaking out on this kind of thing, I'd have expected more respectful behavior (i.e. not trying to get her to continue after she clearly said she was uncomfortable). But it worked (she blew him after the plan was to just chill on the couch), so.....
I definitely think women have to take responsibility for saying no when they mean no. If a guy asks if he can pull out his penis and you say yes, under no duress, you can't later claim that you felt like you couldn't say no because he was a big star.
And in Aziz's cause, the woman had lots of opportunities to leave. She made no mention of ever feeling threatened or like he would hurt her or anything if she attempted to leave. Also, all of her non-verbal cues mean nothing. Guys aren't paying attention enough to pick up on those. The only things that matter are when she actually told him she was uncomfortable and needed to slow down. (Now, how clear was she on that? I don't know. Did she mumble or did she say it clearly?) But his actions don't fit the image I previously had of him. (Maybe that's on me for thinking his real personally was in line with his public persona.)
Also, the culture that most men grew up with is that it is perfectly normal for the guy to talk a woman (or girl) into sex. As MIR says, this isn't going to change overnight. I recognize that. Also, I imagine it is kind of awkward to get consent at every step of the process especially for people who are not all that talkative during sex in the first place.
Hopefully the things happening now will change the mindset of the boys who are coming of age now. (Not sure if it will though.)
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The Aziz story is basically "Baby it's Cold Outside" played out irl.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/
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The Aziz story is basically "Baby it's Cold Outside" played out irl.
Except that when Baby It's Cold Outside was written, women couldn't really say yes even if they meant it. Society would label them a whore if they indicated any inclination that they might be willing to have sex so they had to play at saying no. Now, women have the freedom to clearly say yes or no - whichever they actually mean.
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MIR nailed it. I sat at my desk and nearly clapped.
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3,000 words of revenge porn, I like that description
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https://twitter.com/GeekyLyndsay/status/952573628301717510
Unless there has been some indication of violence, women should say no if they mean no.
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Women don't use overt communication unless like every covert method has failed miserably
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Women don't use overt communication unless like every covert method has failed miserably
Just like society has conditioned men to try to talk women into sex, it has conditioned women not to rock the boat too much. But both of these things need to change.
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I don't really think we need to hear about every cringe worthy sexual encounter or example of a guy being a jerk who doesn't pick up on non-verbal cues just because the guy happens to be a celebrity.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting Aziz should be charged with anything. But that's a pretty cringeworthy story and very relevant.
do you think he should be able to get a netflix special again?
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I don't think anyone is suggesting Aziz should be charged with anything. But that's a pretty cringeworthy story and very relevant.
do you think he should be able to get a netflix special again?
Yeah, probably.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/
Interesting that my FB friend who posted this an hour ago has already removed it....
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Should be stripped of his Golden Globe for the “cocktail chic” text alone.
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Yeah, I also totally missed the apologized right away after she told him she felt uncomfortable, that right there should end it, digging it back up seems underhanded AF. Still something to discuss, but given how it was mutual oral and she felt pushed and eventually the whole thing stopped, really this seems more like a case of how something that could've been a lot worse ended up not being.
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I can see the point being for men to analyze some of their own past actions and the consequences on women. I don't think Aziz is a terrible person or purposefully made her feel terrible.
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We are truly in the dark age of dating. I think MIR’s post is completely accurate and completely obvious. Like 80% of women expect men to make the first move and are turned off if they don’t. And a good chunk of the reminder will act the exact same way but consider it nonconsensual if the man persists despite their being uncomfortable even if they do not make their discomfort clear.
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Yeah, I don't think anything he did was assault. I do think that with his history of speaking out on this kind of thing, I'd have expected more respectful behavior (i.e. not trying to get her to continue after she clearly said she was uncomfortable). But it worked (she blew him after the plan was to just chill on the couch), so.....
I definitely think women have to take responsibility for saying no when they mean no. If a guy asks if he can pull out his penis and you say yes, under no duress, you can't later claim that you felt like you couldn't say no because he was a big star.
And in Aziz's cause, the woman had lots of opportunities to leave. She made no mention of ever feeling threatened or like he would hurt her or anything if she attempted to leave. Also, all of her non-verbal cues mean nothing. Guys aren't paying attention enough to pick up on those. The only things that matter are when she actually told him she was uncomfortable and needed to slow down. (Now, how clear was she on that? I don't know. Did she mumble or did she say it clearly?) But his actions don't fit the image I previously had of him. (Maybe that's on me for thinking his real personally was in line with his public persona.)
Also, the culture that most men grew up with is that it is perfectly normal for the guy to talk a woman (or girl) into sex. As MIR says, this isn't going to change overnight. I recognize that. Also, I imagine it is kind of awkward to get consent at every step of the process especially for people who are not all that talkative during sex in the first place.
Hopefully the things happening now will change the mindset of the boys who are coming of age now. (Not sure if it will though.)
As far as the nonverbal cues go, I'd be willing to bet that we'll find, in due time, that at some point of arousal there has to be some biology that comes into play that makes things like this a little more difficult to pick up on.
To speak to your last point, the actual last sentence, one part of this movement and newfound time of awareness is how the inexperience of young men come into play when dealing with all of this stuff. Again, it's important to parse all of this, as in most cases the line you don't cross is big, bold, and well defined. However, ensuring that you have full consent, every step of the way, can get confusing and cumbersome if you already don't know what in the hell you're doing in the bedroom. I don't want to make excuses for the dude, like I said, I never acted like Aziz did when I was single, but he doesn't strike me as a dude that got a lot of experience before he was famous, and just because he is now, that doesn't mean he is just raking it in every night, his behaviour doesn't speak to someone getting it in on the reg. And even for Aziz, this dude was just a regular guy, then he becomes famous, and the rules on how women interact with him gets completely flipped. How many times you think that guy is told no when he gets to that point?
It's all so complicated, maybe the religiously devout have it right, you won't have to worry about being confused if you're not getting it in until your wedding night.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/
Interesting that my FB friend who posted this an hour ago has already removed it....
The feminists mob are fighting that article hard. FWIW, I think race is a factor here, just maybe not in the way the author framed it. This guy grew up as a tiny Muslim Indian in South Carolina, he went from that to a wealthy celebrity that is still a tiny Muslim Indian man. How many meaningful sexual experiences did he have before he was famous and how does his sex as a famous dude informs his interactions with women in his condo?
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We are truly in the dark age of dating. I think MIR’s post is completely accurate and completely obvious. Like 80% of women expect men to make the first move and are turned off if they don’t. And a good chunk of the reminder will act the exact same way but consider it nonconsensual if the man persists despite their being uncomfortable even if they do not make their discomfort clear.
Your takeaway from this story is that we are in "the dark age of dating"? Jeez some of y'all are coming off as real creeps ITT
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I would guess Aziz had a normal amount of sexual encounters before he was famous. He went to NYU and involved in comedy before parks and rec. And he's obviously a charismatic guy.
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html?referer=
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I would guess Aziz had a normal amount of sexual encounters before he was famous. He went to NYU and involved in comedy before parks and rec. And he's obviously a charismatic guy.
He's a 5'5" Indian, the NYU crowd is exactly the type to look down on a 5'5", weird, dark skinned dude who isn't famous.
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I would guess Aziz had a normal amount of sexual encounters before he was famous. He went to NYU and involved in comedy before parks and rec. And he's obviously a charismatic guy.
He's a 5'5" Indian, the NYU crowd is exactly the type to look down on a 5'5", weird, dark skinned dude who isn't famous.
:rolleyes:
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https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/
Interesting that my FB friend who posted this an hour ago has already removed it....
And replaced it with this one...
http://www.katykatikate.com/2018/01/not-that-bad_15.html
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We are truly in the dark age of dating. I think MIR’s post is completely accurate and completely obvious. Like 80% of women expect men to make the first move and are turned off if they don’t. And a good chunk of the reminder will act the exact same way but consider it nonconsensual if the man persists despite their being uncomfortable even if they do not make their discomfort clear.
Your takeaway from this story is that we are in "the dark age of dating"? Jeez some of y'all are coming off as real creeps ITT
My comment is not directed at any particular story. If anything this is what prompted me: https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-42643504
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I would guess Aziz had a normal amount of sexual encounters before he was famous. He went to NYU and involved in comedy before parks and rec. And he's obviously a charismatic guy.
He's a 5'5" Indian, the NYU crowd is exactly the type to look down on a 5'5", weird, dark skinned dude who isn't famous.
:rolleyes:
Roll your eyes all you want to. You live in a world where liberals don't discriminate against Asians or show dating preferences to people that look like them, I don't live I that world. Two Americas.
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I would guess Aziz had a normal amount of sexual encounters before he was famous. He went to NYU and involved in comedy before parks and rec. And he's obviously a charismatic guy.
He's a 5'5" Indian, the NYU crowd is exactly the type to look down on a 5'5", weird, dark skinned dude who isn't famous.
:rolleyes:
Roll your eyes all you want to. You live in a world where liberals don't discriminate against Asians or show dating preferences to people that look like them, I don't live I that world. Two Americas.
Ok mir
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I mean when I read the article I was imagining Aziz saying "Where do you want to get mumped?" in his standup comedy voice and it made me chuckle.
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People shouldn't be lumped together with respect to what's appropriate to do or how sex advances should be received.
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People shouldn't be lumped together with respect to what's appropriate to do or how sex advances should be received.
What does this mean? It might be appropriate to (1) talk your date into sex OR it might be appropriate to (2) take the action of trying to talk your date into sex as an unwanted advance? When someone of opinion 1 goes on a date with someone of opinion 2, that leads to the situation we are discussing. So even though you think people shouldn't be "lumped in" they are lumped into society together.
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https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/953055807729553408
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Skinben just posted that wacks
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Saw it on twitter over lunch while I was out. My bad.
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People shouldn't be lumped together with respect to what's appropriate to do or how sex advances should be received.
What does this mean? It might be appropriate to (1) talk your date into sex OR it might be appropriate to (2) take the action of trying to talk your date into sex as an unwanted advance? When someone of opinion 1 goes on a date with someone of opinion 2, that leads to the situation we are discussing. So even though you think people shouldn't be "lumped in" they are lumped into society together.
Some people might try the "claw" on a first date, many won't. This guy did what he initially thought both people were there for, under the circumstances. It was some combination of awkward and aggressive, imo.
Some people after going back to the other's apartment and one wanting to put the other on the kitchen counter would be disgusted and bust the white wine bottle upside the head and bounce. Others might be way into it and even freakier and put their claw up the other's ass. Others will do some awkward back-and-forth with clothes on and off and watching tv and some oral and then get an uber.
I don't take that story to say anything about men or women or society.
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People shouldn't be lumped together with respect to what's appropriate to do or how sex advances should be received.
What does this mean? It might be appropriate to (1) talk your date into sex OR it might be appropriate to (2) take the action of trying to talk your date into sex as an unwanted advance? When someone of opinion 1 goes on a date with someone of opinion 2, that leads to the situation we are discussing. So even though you think people shouldn't be "lumped in" they are lumped into society together.
Some people might try the "claw" on a first date, many won't. This guy did what he initially thought both people were there for, under the circumstances. It was some combination of awkward and aggressive, imo.
Some people after going back to the other's apartment and one wanting to put the other on the kitchen counter would be disgusted and bust the white wine bottle upside the head and bounce. Others might be way into it and even freakier and put their claw up the other's ass. Others will do some awkward back-and-forth with clothes on and off and watching tv and some oral and then get an uber.
I don't take that story to say anything about men or women or society.
Most sane people wouldn't however mob mentality is definitely winning right now
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I don't think it could possibly change my takeaways or lack thereof, but I've never seen anything on here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aziz_Ansari
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/16/aziz-ansari-story-missed-opportunity?CMP=share_btn_fb
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/16/aziz-ansari-story-missed-opportunity?CMP=share_btn_fb
Yes
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/16/aziz-ansari-story-missed-opportunity?CMP=share_btn_fb
I honestly can't think of a single sexual relationship, long or short term where I thought I yielded the power in said relationship. Now I don't think that has ever extended beyond the bedroom but in it, I've always felt like a passenger. I only say this because I feel like I'm far from unique, so this woman's experience probably doesn't match the reality for most. If I were to guess myself and this author sit on the very polar extremes of these experiences, and most people likely have a different experience of who yields the sexual power based on the circumstances of the moment.
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The internet and social media haven't been too kind to people with power
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The entire NFL Network is a wrongdoing.
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https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/956967555507392512
Will the RNC return his donations?
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Does Jeremy Piven surprise anyone? That dude has had MAJOR bad person written all over him from day 1.
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Nope
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did you even watch PCU chum1?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWrSKldW4AEgUPc.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/975893705763753984
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/politics/donald-trump-national-sexual-assault-awareness-month/index.html
Boy this chaps my butt beet red raw. Trump honoring Harvert for a whole month. What's next a holiday and greeting cards?
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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-04/why-it-was-so-important-to-find-the-last-surviving-munchkin/9610256?pfmredir=sm
:horrorsurprise:
Those runts always seemed a little squirrely to me.
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This is getting out of control.
https://meaww.com/stan-lee-accused-of-sexual-misconduct
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:users:
Dang hypocrite leftocrats. .Pervert NY AG at war with poor old Harvey is scum too. .Also he championed himself as a nemesis to Trump. From CBS News:
"NEW YORK -- The Manhattan District Attorney's office is investigating allegations of violence against women by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, who resigned just hours after accounts of abuse by four women. It was a swift and stunning fall for a Democrat who held himself out as a champion of women and a liberal foil to President Donald Trump and who pledged to use his office to hold others accountable for abusing their power."
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Glad he resigned.
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/999666912442376192
Please, no. :cry:
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This is out of control now.
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F37.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m16lah6vxs1qbln2mo1_500.gif&hash=7513247ec8266e6e1f7168e22a900184c11c7843)
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The George Takei accuser recanted. I knew George didn't do it.
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The George Takei accuser recanted. I knew George didn't do it.
That’s good news
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https://www.mediaite.com/online/cringeworthy-videos-released-of-morgan-freeman-making-creepy-passes-at-women-boy-do-i-wish-i-was-there/
watch the video, which has two separate clips. the first one is, to me, uncomfortable, but people can judge for themselves how objectionable it is. the second one, dude.
btw, these are 2 of 8 accounts, and obviously the clips don't show the entirety of interactions.
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ive watched the second clip twice and still am failing to understand the context of "boy do i wish i was there"
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ive watched the second clip twice and still am failing to understand the context of "boy do i wish i was there"
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like he was saying he wished he was there when Michael Caine congratulated a woman on being pregnant when she was in fact not pregnant. The first video is very forward and I can definitely see how that would make someone uncomfortable.
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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1014150097679142914
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https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1031567939579850752
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A free and open press is neccessary to democracy :shakesfist: (unless the news is adverse to a Democrat bundler)
https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1035324612836569088?s=19
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https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1068244499523125248
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https://news.clickhole.com/we-get-it-you-re-an-ally-matt-damon-went-totally-over-1825123806
NSFW: Harvey Weinstein’s severed penis
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https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1068244499523125248
True or false, hopefully it encourages him to not weigh in on seemingly everything.
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https://news.clickhole.com/we-get-it-you-re-an-ally-matt-damon-went-totally-over-1825123806
I might throw a NSFW on there on account of the severed penis and all
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https://news.clickhole.com/we-get-it-you-re-an-ally-matt-damon-went-totally-over-1825123806
I might throw a NSFW on there on account of the severed penis and all
Yeah, I though the article preview would come through with the link, but I guess not. I edited it.
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https://twitter.com/ClaraJeffery/status/1214270609900703744
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lmaooooo
https://twitter.com/independent/status/1214323853855510528
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Lol
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:lol:
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https://twitter.com/jodikantor/status/1237760114666373120
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Wow! That's much harsher than I had guessed.
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Poor guy
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Lol. Not that I feel bad for him, but that's basically the maximum term for both charges he was found guilty of. No sympathy from me. It's just unusual.
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I’m not a legal cat but I fully support most “making an example” verdicts.
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