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Title: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 04, 2017, 09:35:32 PM
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/04/trump-white-house-weighing-plans-for-private-spies-to-counter-deep-state-enemies/ (https://theintercept.com/2017/12/04/trump-white-house-weighing-plans-for-private-spies-to-counter-deep-state-enemies/)
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: bucket on December 04, 2017, 09:44:35 PM
I can't think of two better people than Erik Prince and Olly North to lead this endeavor.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: The Big Train on December 04, 2017, 10:09:16 PM
Only a matter of time before Trump uses this to punish his American citizen political enemies. He wants to be a dictator so badly.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: catastrophe on December 04, 2017, 10:16:26 PM
Maybe if Trump wasn’t such a dumbass weirdo more people would like him and not want him out of the WH.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: cfbandyman on December 04, 2017, 10:17:44 PM
Was going to post that, hooray.

Can't wait til we rationalize this.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 04, 2017, 10:20:40 PM
Previous administration had unprecedented use of private contractors aka mercenaries in military operations (things that libs didn't know and don't care about. . . unless a Republican is president)

Where were you guys?





Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: The Big Train on December 04, 2017, 10:31:11 PM
What about Obama tho?

- Dax
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 04, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
What about Obama tho?

- Dax

That's all you ever have.   You're not capable of even understanding the issue or precedence.

Sorry your guy outsourced all the killing TBT.   
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: renocat on December 04, 2017, 10:42:10 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/07/12/ngo-connected-to-obamas-2008-campaign-used-u-s-tax-dollars-trying-to-oust-netanyahu/
Obama using taxpayers loot.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: wetwillie on December 04, 2017, 10:52:10 PM
Deep state sounds like something only yogi's experience
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: treysolid on December 04, 2017, 10:55:19 PM
Dax, this would be authorized domestic surveillance by a private company. Nothing would be able to stop them from turning around and selling their intelligence to foreign states. So, of course, Trump is stupid enough to authorize this.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 04, 2017, 11:01:04 PM
Dax, this would be authorized domestic surveillance by a private company. Nothing would be able to stop them from turning around and selling their intelligence to foreign states. So, of course, Trump is stupid enough to authorize this.

Private military contractors don't collect intelligence, aren't privy ito intelligence, aren't made aware of military secrets?    It would be nearly impossible for them to function if they weren't given copious amounts of sensitive information, and of course they're out there fighting for a pay . . . our country, so they have first hand information and loads of sensitive information straight from the battlefield, and back at the bases.


Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: treysolid on December 04, 2017, 11:07:44 PM
Dax, this would be authorized domestic surveillance by a private company. Nothing would be able to stop them from turning around and selling their intelligence to foreign states. So, of course, Trump is stupid enough to authorize this.

Private military contractors don't collect intelligence, aren't privy ito intelligence, aren't made aware of military secrets?    It would be nearly impossible for them to function if they were given copious amounts of sensitive information, and of course they're out their fighting for a pay . . . our country, so they have first hand information and loads of sensitive information straight from the battlefield, and back at the bases.

Really big difference between soldiers and spies, dax. And lol at you if you think private military contractors get top-brass level intel. My brother (AF major) has worked alongside military contractors in the field and they are kept in a pretty tight box as far as that is concerned.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 04, 2017, 11:14:38 PM
Dax, this would be authorized domestic surveillance by a private company. Nothing would be able to stop them from turning around and selling their intelligence to foreign states. So, of course, Trump is stupid enough to authorize this.

Private military contractors don't collect intelligence, aren't privy ito intelligence, aren't made aware of military secrets?    It would be nearly impossible for them to function if they were given copious amounts of sensitive information, and of course they're out their fighting for a pay . . . our country, so they have first hand information and loads of sensitive information straight from the battlefield, and back at the bases.

Really big difference between soldiers and spies, dax. And lol at you if you think private military contractors get top-brass level intel. My brother (AF major) has worked alongside military contractors in the field and they are kept in a pretty tight box as far as that is concerned.

Many of these guys are hired from companies that are laden with former military intelligence guys.   Out-in-the-field is not the same as being briefed to go fight the bad guys.   Our spy agencies hire contractors, put them in the field and they are in many cases asked to protect operations, like recruiting "freedom fighters" and shipping captured weapons from certain African countries to other hot spots, for example.   The military-intelligence complex is full of contractors privy to all matter of information.  Come on man.

Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: treysolid on December 04, 2017, 11:28:18 PM
Dax, this would be authorized domestic surveillance by a private company. Nothing would be able to stop them from turning around and selling their intelligence to foreign states. So, of course, Trump is stupid enough to authorize this.

Private military contractors don't collect intelligence, aren't privy ito intelligence, aren't made aware of military secrets?    It would be nearly impossible for them to function if they were given copious amounts of sensitive information, and of course they're out their fighting for a pay . . . our country, so they have first hand information and loads of sensitive information straight from the battlefield, and back at the bases.

Really big difference between soldiers and spies, dax. And lol at you if you think private military contractors get top-brass level intel. My brother (AF major) has worked alongside military contractors in the field and they are kept in a pretty tight box as far as that is concerned.

Many of these guys are hired from companies that are laden with former military intelligence guys.   Out-in-the-field is not the same as being briefed to go fight the bad guys.   Our spy agencies hire contractors, put them in the field and they are in many cases asked to protect operations, like recruiting "freedom fighters" and shipping captured weapons from certain African countries to other hot spots, for example.   The military-intelligence complex is full of contractors privy to all matter of information.  Come on man.

Sure. But none of it is above confidential level classification, and it's pretty worthless to other nations because most of it is transient intel. Unlike domestic intel.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2017, 07:02:38 AM
From really bad to really worse.

https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/937909670290878464
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 05, 2017, 07:26:57 AM
Dax, this would be authorized domestic surveillance by a private company. Nothing would be able to stop them from turning around and selling their intelligence to foreign states. So, of course, Trump is stupid enough to authorize this.

Private military contractors don't collect intelligence, aren't privy ito intelligence, aren't made aware of military secrets?    It would be nearly impossible for them to function if they were given copious amounts of sensitive information, and of course they're out their fighting for a pay . . . our country, so they have first hand information and loads of sensitive information straight from the battlefield, and back at the bases.

Really big difference between soldiers and spies, dax. And lol at you if you think private military contractors get top-brass level intel. My brother (AF major) has worked alongside military contractors in the field and they are kept in a pretty tight box as far as that is concerned.

Many of these guys are hired from companies that are laden with former military intelligence guys.   Out-in-the-field is not the same as being briefed to go fight the bad guys.   Our spy agencies hire contractors, put them in the field and they are in many cases asked to protect operations, like recruiting "freedom fighters" and shipping captured weapons from certain African countries to other hot spots, for example.   The military-intelligence complex is full of contractors privy to all matter of information.  Come on man.

Sure. But none of it is above confidential level classification, and it's pretty worthless to other nations because most of it is transient intel. Unlike domestic intel.

Come on man, intelligence entities outsource all kinds of things on a domestic level.   You act like the foreign entities are dumb, they, just like us can put together the bread crumbs of low level security items into a whole.

Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 05, 2017, 07:30:56 AM
Dax, no one is shocked that you're OK with your guy trump assembling a secret police system that answers only to him. We can call it something snappy like the "protection squad" or something
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 05, 2017, 07:45:51 AM
Dax, no one is shocked that you're OK with your guy trump assembling a secret police system that answers only to him. We can call it something snappy like the "protection squad" or something

LOL, I never said I was "okay" with it lib.

I'm just once again asking where were you guys for 8 years??

You absolutely melted down over Blackwater and then your hero outsourced war and all matter of thing similar on an unprecedented scale.

My Flying Spaghetti Monster, you guys are just a giant ball of un-intelligent hypocrisy.   Sad

Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: steve dave on December 05, 2017, 07:50:32 AM
dax, spies hired to spy on american citizens that don't like your politics are not comparable even in crazyland to private army men. that whatabout'ism is looked down upon by even the most extreme whatabout'ist enthusiasts.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 05, 2017, 07:52:57 AM
dax, spies hired to spy on american citizens that don't like your politics are not comparable even in crazyland to private army men. that whatabout'ism is looked down upon by even the most extreme whatabout'ist enthusiasts.

SD, outsourcing of spying has been going on for years.   The black budget and all that goes with it is called the black budget because nobody really knows what's in it and what they're up to.

You should have been melting down years ago.   So I'll call out the partisanship.  Have a great day, tho.

Oh, and please, you can make a clear case that most of this board's hero was clearly spying on people for political purposes.   When you sign executive orders to allow "intelligence" to get into the hands of people who are more politicians than national security people, you're basically green lighting political spying and just using the in-house gang to do it.



Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2017, 08:05:45 AM
BFFs: whataboutism and false equivalency
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 05, 2017, 09:02:18 AM
BFFs: whataboutism and false equivalency

You don't get to either say nothing or fully support the very same thing that you're having a meltdown over because you're a hyperpartisan.  I mean you can, but don't start tossing out strawmen like whataboutism and false equivalency when you're called out on it.

An executive order to put intelligence in the hands of people who have no business being engaged in order to embolden domestic political spying stands on its own.

Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 05, 2017, 09:10:39 AM
Flailing, sad  :frown:
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 05, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
Flailing, sad  :frown:

Nothing (as usual) sad
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2017, 09:13:07 AM
BFFs: whataboutism and false equivalency

You don't get to either say nothing or fully support the very same thing that you're having a meltdown over because you're a hyperpartisan.  I mean you can, but don't start tossing out strawmen like whataboutism and false equivalency when you're called out on it.

An executive order to put intelligence in the hands of people who have no business being engaged in order to embolden domestic political spying stands on its own.

If you see the exact same thing when you compare Trump and Obama regardless, you are extremely confused and we have nothing to discuss.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 05, 2017, 09:17:45 AM
BFFs: whataboutism and false equivalency

You don't get to either say nothing or fully support the very same thing that you're having a meltdown over because you're a hyperpartisan.  I mean you can, but don't start tossing out strawmen like whataboutism and false equivalency when you're called out on it.

An executive order to put intelligence in the hands of people who have no business being engaged in order to embolden domestic political spying stands on its own.

If you see the exact same thing when you compare Trump and Obama regardless, you are extremely confused and we have nothing to discuss.

I said it was not the exact same thing.   One just openly signed up our intelligence agencies to do domestic political spying and ensured that information got into the hands of politicos to be used for political purposes.   3 Dem Pres heroes have used intelligence agencies to spy domestically, and of course the NSA was created by a Dem.   Now, if you want to believe those agencies didn't outsource some of that work, knock yourself out.





Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: catastrophe on December 05, 2017, 09:43:49 AM
I can’t wait until Trump is out of the WH and drones like Dax, FSD, and KSUW can go back to counter-pointing whether we should expand Obamacare or still have troops in the Middle East instead of whether the US President should have a Gestapo.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2017, 11:29:22 AM
BFFs: whataboutism and false equivalency

You don't get to either say nothing or fully support the very same thing that you're having a meltdown over because you're a hyperpartisan.  I mean you can, but don't start tossing out strawmen like whataboutism and false equivalency when you're called out on it.

An executive order to put intelligence in the hands of people who have no business being engaged in order to embolden domestic political spying stands on its own.

If you see the exact same thing when you compare Trump and Obama regardless, you are extremely confused and we have nothing to discuss.

I said it was not the exact same thing.   One just openly signed up our intelligence agencies to do domestic political spying and ensured that information got into the hands of politicos to be used for political purposes.   3 Dem Pres heroes have used intelligence agencies to spy domestically, and of course the NSA was created by a Dem.   Now, if you want to believe those agencies didn't outsource some of that work, knock yourself out.

Some people express concern that Trump has the power to launch a nuclear attack. Are they outrageous hypocrites because they did not do the same when Obama was president?
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 05, 2017, 12:00:07 PM
So some people think this is the same as hiring Blackwater to guard civilian contractors in a war zone?  Is that right?
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 05, 2017, 12:11:53 PM
dax, spies hired to spy on american citizens that don't like your politics are not comparable even in crazyland to private army men. that whatabout'ism is looked down upon by even the most extreme whatabout'ist enthusiasts.

Fusion GPS says hai

Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 05, 2017, 12:14:07 PM
I prefer "my president" to spy on its citizens using consultants and abusing the FISA court system.

#teamlibtard
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 05, 2017, 12:21:59 PM
I just perused the initial article, and nowhere does it say the WH has even heard of this let alone is considering it. But it makes for adequate libtard fan fiction so here we are.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 05, 2017, 12:24:12 PM
I just perused the initial article, and nowhere does it say the WH has even heard of this let alone is considering it. But it makes for adequate libtard fan fiction so here we are.

Agreed, it's too insanely F'd up to think real.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 05, 2017, 12:31:00 PM
I dig that pointing out that obama actually did what some article said trump could possibly think about doimg even though be says he isn't is "whataboutism"

 :lol:

Is calling something whataboutism akin to starting a joke  with, " I'm not racist, but . . ."
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 05, 2017, 12:32:29 PM
I just perused the initial article, and nowhere does it say the WH has even heard of this let alone is considering it. But it makes for adequate libtard fan fiction so here we are.

Agreed, it's too insanely F'd up to think real.

It is real. Obama did it, hillary did it, just none of the libtards cared when they did it bc #teamlibtard #nevertrump.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 05, 2017, 12:35:58 PM
I'm still pissed that they hired private domestic spies to support their agenda and counter the CIA
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: The Big Train on December 05, 2017, 12:36:21 PM
I just perused the initial article, and nowhere does it say the WH has even heard of this let alone is considering it. But it makes for adequate libtard fan fiction so here we are.

Agreed, it's too insanely F'd up to think real.

It is real. Obama did it, hillary did it, just none of the libtards cared when they did it bc #teamlibtard #nevertrump.

Hillary was never president bud, I know it’s hard for you to believe, but she was never president.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: catastrophe on December 05, 2017, 12:49:30 PM
I just perused the initial article, and nowhere does it say the WH has even heard of this let alone is considering it. But it makes for adequate libtard fan fiction so here we are.

So are you for or against it?  Would like to see your thoughts before and after the WH weighs in publicly.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: chum1 on December 05, 2017, 12:52:17 PM
A denial from Trump's White House is most certainly always a rock solid defense.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 05, 2017, 01:09:14 PM
I just perused the initial article, and nowhere does it say the WH has even heard of this let alone is considering it. But it makes for adequate libtard fan fiction so here we are.

So are you for or against it?  Would like to see your thoughts before and after the WH weighs in publicly.

needs to wait and see what DJT decides
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: treysolid on December 05, 2017, 01:38:31 PM
I like how dax "conveniently" leaves out the fact that domestic surveillance capabilities were most significantly expanded under the Patriot Act (GW Bush).

Also, dax shows his utter naivety by not realizing that private military contractors have no reason to leave their people embedded. Once the job is done, hired guns get extracted because their value lies in the ability to turn over missions. If a private company has embedded intelligence officers in our government, there's never reason to pull them. Ever. They lose all value once they've been extracted. That's a very dangerous situation. We already have foreign agents galore trying to infiltrate our government, why would we invite a private company to do the same?
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 05, 2017, 09:20:12 PM
Whataboutsim military private spies are not the same as cia spies.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 05, 2017, 09:22:04 PM
I just perused the initial article, and nowhere does it say the WH has even heard of this let alone is considering it. But it makes for adequate libtard fan fiction so here we are.

So are you for or against it?  Would like to see your thoughts before and after the WH weighs in publicly.

Is "it" double or triple conjecture? It's hard to keep up with what thing that could happen that we're supposed to bleed out of our assholes out about.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: The Big Train on December 05, 2017, 09:30:37 PM
Whataboutsim military private spies are not the same as cia spies.

This is true.  CIA spies don’t have the legal jurisdiction to target American citizens.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 05, 2017, 09:33:34 PM
Whataboutsim military private spies are not the same as cia spies.

This is true.  CIA spies don’t have the legal jurisdiction to target American citizens.

Interesting if true
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: The Big Train on December 05, 2017, 09:37:49 PM
Whataboutsim military private spies are not the same as cia spies.

This is true.  CIA spies don’t have the legal jurisdiction to target American citizens.

Interesting if true

Time will tell.
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on December 05, 2017, 10:11:48 PM
the intercept  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: This sounds totally normal.
Post by: catastrophe on December 05, 2017, 10:43:31 PM
I just perused the initial article, and nowhere does it say the WH has even heard of this let alone is considering it . But it makes for adequate libtard fan fiction so here we are.

So are you for or against it?  Would like to see your thoughts before and after the WH weighs in publicly.

Is "it" double or triple conjecture? It's hard to keep up with what thing that could happen that we're supposed to bleed out of our assholes out about.

The bolded part of your statement. TIA.