Trim I agree Watt and Stan are good cheerleaders and make everything sound good in the program. However I do not read in articles about Kansas State any real expressions of affection by players for Weber like Snyder gets from his players. It seems successful coaches get this from players. The troubles with Foster types to me indicate players don't fear him, and recruits not saying that they want to play for him to me indicates he has trouble making personal connection with players and parents. Weber is a decent man that doesn't mistreat his players, but plain white toast is good too.