Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2016, 11:01:29 AM
-Looks like they decided to let Sisco run, he looked good. Our offense is predicated upon the quarterback being able to at least be a threat to run. He still holds the ball too long, but it was nice to see him go through progressions.
-That was the best defensive performance of the year, only allowing three second half points from that team is unreal. That offense is the one we are least equipped to stop because they don't run at all and our front 7 is obviously the strength of the team, that being said...
-DJamer Reed and Dante Barnett are almost assured to be first team all conference. Teams are going to either have to stay away from Reed or he's going end the season with about 10 picks. There isn't another quarterback in the conference that can throw into the windows that Mahomes did. The refs took one from Reed, Mahomes accurate passing took about two more.
-Good performance, the only group I thought could have been better were the WRs. I know we thought Tech going into this game was dog crap but they look like a team that's going to finish top half of the conference, they certainly look better than UT, TCU, and OSU.
Post by: kslim on October 09, 2016, 11:16:31 AM
Other than that i agree with everything else. The lbs are just rough ridin' awesome. Reggie and charm are gonna be studs at the next level
Post by: Kat Kid on October 09, 2016, 11:22:02 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on October 09, 2016, 11:22:29 AM
I wish our WRs came up with the ball the way Tech's WR did. Mahomes does a lot with that, but their WRs seemed more able to hold onto the ball.
Always love when we get non offensive TDs. So to get a pick 6 from Reed, and a KO from Pringle made me very :D
Jones had a pretty good night, sure he could've play better but he did well and should be recognized for it.
Post by: hemmy on October 09, 2016, 11:36:31 AM
Post by: _33 on October 09, 2016, 11:38:42 AM
our defense is good, but our offense is very bad.
Yeah, I think our running game will be ok, but we have to balance it out with some semblance of a passing game. One encouraging thing for me last night was that of Ertz' 10 incompletions, I only really remember 1 pass that was defensed. His other 9 incompletions were dropped balls or him missing an open receiver. You might be thinking, well _33 what is so encouraging about that? Well our receivers are getting open and our pass protection was pretty good so maybe we will get better at "finishing" our passing plays as the season goes along?
Post by: Kat Kid on October 09, 2016, 11:49:27 AM
our defense is good, but our offense is very bad.
Yeah, I think our running game will be ok, but we have to balance it out with some semblance of a passing game. One encouraging thing for me last night was that of Ertz' 10 incompletions, I only really remember 1 pass that was defensed. His other 9 incompletions were dropped balls or him missing an open receiver. You might be thinking, well _33 what is so encouraging about that? Well our receivers are getting open and our pass protection was pretty good so maybe we will get better at "finishing" our passing plays as the season goes along?
Ertz is a bad passer. There is lots of evidence of this. As far as receivers go, Burton is a lost cause. I like Zuber, Pringle and Heath but two of them are tiny and none of them are physical at all and our QB is never going to be very accurate enough . It makes sense that we are always throwing fades and gos along the sideline because it is less likely to end up as an INT, but it takes away a lot of throws over the middle because Ertz can't hit his targets.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2016, 12:46:53 PM
Reed is good but he is very feast or famine. Gets beat too easily on deep balls. (Could blame some of that on absolutely zero safety help)
Other than that i agree with everything else. The lbs are just rough ridin' awesome. Reggie and charm are gonna be studs at the next level
I mean even great corners get beat deep
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Post by: Steffy08 on October 09, 2016, 01:09:43 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2016, 01:14:33 PM
I like Reed, but the reason he is getting so much action is because teams are staying clear away from Duke.
That certainly wasn't true yesterday
Post by: Panjandrum on October 09, 2016, 01:50:48 PM
I like Reed, but the reason he is getting so much action is because teams are staying clear away from Duke.
We have two good corners. One is more of a ball hawk, and one is more fundamentally sound.
But the best part is that they're both sophomores.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 09, 2016, 02:14:55 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2016, 03:25:06 PM
ChiliDog said on the post game last night that LHCBS is 18-0 when his teams score both a special teams and defensive TD. So as long as we can keep doing that and Sisco keeps running and stuff I think we will be ok the rest of this year.
I'd imagine that the all time winning percentage of teams with both of those ID's around 98%.
Post by: The Big Train on October 09, 2016, 03:26:48 PM
ChiliDog said on the post game last night that LHCBS is 18-0 when his teams score both a special teams and defensive TD. So as long as we can keep doing that and Sisco keeps running and stuff I think we will be ok the rest of this year.
I'd imagine that the all time winning percentage of teams with both of those ID's around 98%.
That extra 2% is what separates Bill from the rest
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 09, 2016, 04:58:44 PM
ChiliDog said on the post game last night that LHCBS is 18-0 when his teams score both a special teams and defensive TD. So as long as we can keep doing that and Sisco keeps running and stuff I think we will be ok the rest of this year.
I'd imagine that the all time winning percentage of teams with both of those ID's around 98%.
That extra 2% is what separates Bill from the rest
Oklahoma state has won 99 of its last 100 games when leading with 0:00 left in the 4th quarter. There's always outliers
Post by: pvegs on October 09, 2016, 05:10:47 PM
Great post MIR. Made me feel good about the cats. I like that. :emawkid:
happy we won, but i don't think you can take much away from this game. through 5 games i see a team that is much like last year's: excruciatingly boring and thoroughly mediocre (albeit in different ways)
Post by: DOD Take 2 on October 09, 2016, 05:12:03 PM
our defense is good, but our offense is very bad.
Yeah, I think our running game will be ok, but we have to balance it out with some semblance of a passing game. One encouraging thing for me last night was that of Ertz' 10 incompletions, I only really remember 1 pass that was defensed. His other 9 incompletions were dropped balls or him missing an open receiver. You might be thinking, well _33 what is so encouraging about that? Well our receivers are getting open and our pass protection was pretty good so maybe we will get better at "finishing" our passing plays as the season goes along?
Ertz is a bad passer. There is lots of evidence of this. As far as receivers go, Burton is a lost cause. I like Zuber, Pringle and Heath but two of them are tiny and none of them are physical at all and our QB is never going to be very accurate enough . It makes sense that we are always throwing fades and gos along the sideline because it is less likely to end up as an INT, but it takes away a lot of throws over the middle because Ertz can't hit his targets.
We had a few drops, but there is no question we have good receivers. We just have to get someone who can deliver them the ball consistently. I'm not sure we're avoiding any routes because of Ertz though - he missed a WR on a post on 3rd and 20 right over the middle. That's a fairly dangerous place to throw the ball.
Post by: DOD Take 2 on October 09, 2016, 05:14:32 PM
The way Mahomes played, and the way their offense clicked in the first half made me very nervous, so to have the defense tighten up and "figure it out" at HT was really nice.
Very impressive 2nd half. Played poorly in the first half - or coached poorly - but the second half was something else.
Post by: Panjandrum on October 09, 2016, 05:19:26 PM
Great post MIR. Made me feel good about the cats. I like that. :emawkid:
happy we won, but i don't think you can take much away from this game. through 5 games i see a team that is much like last year's: excruciatingly boring and thoroughly mediocre (albeit in different ways)
I don't think that's necessarily true. The defense is a lot better, and the offense can do a little more with Ertz than they did with Hubener.
We are probably going to have a better record than the middle chunk of the league. Last year's team wouldn't have beat this Tech team.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 09, 2016, 06:04:49 PM
The way Mahomes played, and the way their offense clicked in the first half made me very nervous, so to have the defense tighten up and "figure it out" at HT was really nice.
Very impressive 2nd half. Played poorly in the first half - or coached poorly - but the second half was something else.
I think the defensive coaches made great adjustments as the game went on. We didn't just sit back and take it. We tried some blitzes that Tech handled well, but I think eventually we found some coverages that slowed Mahomes' reads which finally gave us a shot to get pressure. He does a great job of getting the ball out quick but we made him think pause more in the 2nd half which gave our pass rush a chance.
Post by: pvegs on October 09, 2016, 06:34:29 PM
Great post MIR. Made me feel good about the cats. I like that. :emawkid:
happy we won, but i don't think you can take much away from this game. through 5 games i see a team that is much like last year's: excruciatingly boring and thoroughly mediocre (albeit in different ways)
I don't think that's necessarily true. The defense is a lot better, and the offense can do a little more with Ertz than they did with Hubener.
We are probably going to have a better record than the middle chunk of the league. Last year's team wouldn't have beat this Tech team.
the defense is better. can't argue that. i think the main difference was playing at home and luck. on offense, i see ways in which Ertz is better than hubener. more speed, can break off a few long scrambles, occasionally throws a nice intermediate pass, but he's no more accurate overall, and i don't think he gets us into plays or runs the offense any better. at least last night ertz appeared slightly less terrified when asked to run. i guess i just wish we had an actually good qb this year bc we could win 10 games.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 09, 2016, 06:40:24 PM
Post by: pvegs on October 09, 2016, 06:47:41 PM
ertz is quite a bit more accurate than hubener(which says nothing), and he will get better. by the end of the year the offense will be pretty good. next year it will be much better and we probably will win 10 games.
NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT RAT
Joe Hubener 131 275 1837 47.6 6.68 9 10 107.3
NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT RAT
Jesse Ertz 51 105 688 48.6 6.55 5 2 115.5
I mean, I'm sure Ertz will be better in the long run, but the stats thus far don't suggest a huge improvement over 'zooka, and I don't think it's that outlandish to think 'zooka himself would be statistically improved this year in a starter's role after last year's experience.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 09, 2016, 06:49:13 PM
Post by: pvegs on October 09, 2016, 06:54:18 PM
look at TDs and INTs, fisherman.
the biggest diff is in our running game, bubs. 5 ypc this year, which is v. good.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 09, 2016, 07:01:18 PM
ertz being a better runner than hubener explains of lot of that.look at TDs and INTs, fisherman.
the biggest diff is in our running game, bubs. 5 ypc this year, which is v. good.
Post by: pvegs on October 09, 2016, 07:05:06 PM
ertz being a better runner than hubener explains of lot of that.look at TDs and INTs, fisherman.
the biggest diff is in our running game, bubs. 5 ypc this year, which is v. good.
bubs, are you even reading my posts. that's exactly what i already said. it's the biggest difference between the two, but as have others have noted it's been something the offense hasn't fully exploited, likely due to concerns about ertz's health/spaghetti knees.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 09, 2016, 07:10:06 PM
i've been drinking.ertz being a better runner than hubener explains of lot of that.look at TDs and INTs, fisherman.
the biggest diff is in our running game, bubs. 5 ypc this year, which is v. good.
bubs, are you even reading my posts. that's exactly what i already said. it's the biggest difference between the two, but as have others have noted it's been something the offense hasn't fully exploited, likely due to concerns about ertz's health/spaghetti knees.
i'm sure you agree we shouldn't be so concerned about spaghetti knees bc we have delton. and even hubener is likely to be better than last year, like you said.
Post by: DOD Take 2 on October 09, 2016, 07:54:50 PM
The way Mahomes played, and the way their offense clicked in the first half made me very nervous, so to have the defense tighten up and "figure it out" at HT was really nice.
Very impressive 2nd half. Played poorly in the first half - or coached poorly - but the second half was something else.
I think the defensive coaches made great adjustments as the game went on. We didn't just sit back and take it. We tried some blitzes that Tech handled well, but I think eventually we found some coverages that slowed Mahomes' reads which finally gave us a shot to get pressure. He does a great job of getting the ball out quick but we made him think pause more in the 2nd half which gave our pass rush a chance.
D line was getting through even early in the game but he's great at getting it out like you said and he's quite slippery. Their oline is very bad. I noticed we started rolling our corners up towards the LOS in the 3rd and even pressed a little. Made a huge difference
Post by: Pett on October 09, 2016, 07:55:46 PM
:thumbs:I like Reed, but the reason he is getting so much action is because teams are staying clear away from Duke.
We have two good corners. One is more of a ball hawk, and one is more fundamentally sound.
But the best part is that they're both sophomores.
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2016, 10:41:55 PM
Great post MIR. Made me feel good about the cats. I like that. :emawkid:
i don't think you can take much away from this game.
What? Why not?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 09, 2016, 10:49:51 PM
ertz is quite a bit more accurate than hubener(which says nothing), and he will get better. by the end of the year the offense will be pretty good. next year it will be much better and we probably will win 10 games.
I dont think he's necessarily more accurate, just less inclined to pass to the wrong team. I think he'll end up hitting a higher % over his career
Post by: DQ12 on October 09, 2016, 11:09:35 PM
we just haven't really had much of an offensive identity this season. ertz still needs to get better at that read option. if he does, i think we could have a pretty formidable run attack with jones as our "power" back and warmack as on the edge ("thunder and lightning"???), especially as our young o-line progresses.
we just CAN'T ask ertz to do much of a vertical passing game. those are wasted plays, and they drive me bananas.
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Post by: Belvis Noland on October 10, 2016, 04:05:56 PM
we just CAN'T ask ertz to do much of a vertical passing game. those are wasted plays, and they drive me bananas.
This. in a scenario like this, who's to blame? Ertz for not being able to make the plays, or Dimel for repeatedly putting him in a position to make plays he can't make?
Post by: KITNfury on October 10, 2016, 04:08:38 PM
we just CAN'T ask ertz to do much of a vertical passing game. those are wasted plays, and they drive me bananas.
This. in a scenario like this, who's to blame? Ertz for not being able to make the plays, or Dimel for repeatedly putting him in a position to make plays he can't make?
Two can fit on a single stake.
Post by: Steffy08 on October 10, 2016, 04:23:16 PM
But this is why I was so frustrated at Dimel at the start of the second half. After picking up two first down running the ball deep out of our own end zone, we then threw three straight passed and had to punt the ball. I get balance, but don't go away from something until they prove they can stop it.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2016, 04:31:13 PM
Post by: meow meow on October 10, 2016, 04:32:42 PM
I think the Tech game showed that we can still run the ball using our K-State, QB run game, option read/pop pass offense (against a very poor defense).
But this is why I was so frustrated at Dimel at the start of the second half. After picking up two first down running the ball deep out of our own end zone, we then threw three straight passed and had to punt the ball. I get balance, but don't go away from something until they prove they can stop it.
you realize Del Miller is the passing game coordinator right dumbass?
Post by: DQ12 on October 10, 2016, 04:48:43 PM
You kind of have to go away from the QB run game from time to time unless you think your QB having 30 carries is a good idea.last year, i'd agree with your sentiment. but this year, we're legitimately pretty deep at qb. our third string has started 11 games for us. that being the case, if cisco dies, he dies. given that he can't do much with his arm, then he needs to be running, or else we get no real value from using him. without utilizing his good running skills, he's provides no more value than hubener.
Post by: delerioustyme on October 10, 2016, 05:44:00 PM
I think the Tech game showed that we can still run the ball using our K-State, QB run game, option read/pop pass offense (against a very poor defense).
But this is why I was so frustrated at Dimel at the start of the second half. After picking up two first down running the ball deep out of our own end zone, we then threw three straight passed and had to punt the ball. I get balance, but don't go away from something until they prove they can stop it.
you realize Del Miller is the passing game coordinator right dumbass?
Um, hey dumbass, technically Andre Coleman is the passing game coordinator. Del is the QB coach and co offensive coordinator. Dimel is RBs & TE's coach and co offensive coordinator. Dickey is the run game coordinator.
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!
Post by: Steffy08 on October 10, 2016, 07:50:28 PM
You kind of have to go away from the QB run game from time to time unless you think your QB having 30 carries is a good idea.
I agree with this generally, but this is not the scenario to call plays with preserving your qb in mind:
1. 0-1 in conference
2. Up three points at home, with a loss effectively ending the season
3. Deep in own territory
4. Having run for two straight first downs,
5. Against a team that scored 28 on us in the first half.
Season was on the brink there....wasn't a time to try to maintain balance and preserve qb
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2016, 09:21:05 PM
I think the Tech game showed that we can still run the ball using our K-State, QB run game, option read/pop pass offense (against a very poor defense).
But this is why I was so frustrated at Dimel at the start of the second half. After picking up two first down running the ball deep out of our own end zone, we then threw three straight passed and had to punt the ball. I get balance, but don't go away from something until they prove they can stop it.
you realize Del Miller is the passing game coordinator right dumbass?
There's a reason why people keep ignoring you when you keep saying this; Dana is the playcaller.
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Post by: meow meow on October 11, 2016, 08:32:28 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on October 11, 2016, 08:42:06 AM
so what year did Miller get replaced as the passing game coordinator then?
Miller is still co-OC and handles putting together a lot of the passing game concepts. I'm sure he gives lots of input and suggestions. From what I understand he also sometimes calls plays in certain passing situations, but the majority of play calls during games come from Dimel.
Post by: meow meow on October 11, 2016, 08:45:18 AM
http://www.kstatesports.com/news/sports_m-footbl_spec-rel_022709aaa_html
so unless something changed, I would assume he still is.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 11, 2016, 12:49:43 PM
It doesn't matter though, Dana is definitely calling the plays, multiple media members including Stanbot, have said so.
Post by: meow meow on October 11, 2016, 01:56:55 PM
Post by: sekpoke on October 11, 2016, 02:03:50 PM
Oklahoma state has won 99 of its last 100 games when leading with 0:00 left in the 4th quarter. There's always outliers
That one hurt, but true.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2018, 12:58:52 AM
-Mahomes is ridiculous. I heard a guy from Tech speculate that he would declare for the draft after this season and I :lol: jokes on me, he better not come back, he should just quit now. If he's able to play pro style he's going to be a star in the NFL. I don't know what was more impressive, his ridiculously strong and accurate arm or what he did to poor Jordan Willis in the open field on one of his TD runs.
:blush: maybe the first non Tech fan in America to make this observation
Post by: mocat on September 18, 2018, 06:53:08 AM
-Mahomes is ridiculous. I heard a guy from Tech speculate that he would declare for the draft after this season and Ijokes on me, he better not come back, he should just quit now. If he's able to play pro style he's going to be a star in the NFL. I don't know what was more impressive, his ridiculously strong and accurate arm or what he did to poor Jordan Willis in the open field on one of his TD runs.
:blush: maybe the first non Tech fan in America to make this observation
:eek: