Speaking of oscar-ketball

[MakeItRain]

Fwiw, I have said way more to Weber than I ever did to Frank. So I don't have the whole picture I suppose.

This doesn't account for your apparent ignorance of the countless stories from local & national media and the many many message board tales of how great Frank is away from the court with people.  Honest question, did you become a K-State basketball fan after Weber was hired?

I have been a K-State fan my whole life. Point of pride: I was in bramlage coliseum the day after I was born (yes, I'm a young gun).

My (limited) personal experiences with Frank were that I felt like he didn't give a crap about being around the fans at that time. He would've rather been somewhere else.

My one experience with Weber was a 5 minute conversation that he actually seemed interested in.

Obviously there are people that had different experiences.

I'm not sure why you quoted my post because other than responding to the question I asked about how long you've been a fan because the rest of the post completely ignored my other questions/points to you.  I'll ask one more time.  Hos did you miss the countless stories of how great Frank is on a personal basis?  Did you not read or had friends who met Frank the 6 seasons he was here?  You made an odd assumption and felt it fit to run with it for 6 years despite an incredible amount of contrary evidence?

Are you a sock?

[mancattanite]

How great would it have been if he'd gotten thrown in a Brazilian prison for his antics and we would've had to hire Gottlieb because the coaching carousel has stopped spinning for this offseason?

Would Gottlieb have left his nice new job at CBS sports for us?

Heck, why don't we just hire all the former ESPN analysts and make Erin Andrews our AD. That sounds like a better hire.

[Trim]

How great would it have been if he'd gotten thrown in a Brazilian prison for his antics and we would've had to hire Gottlieb because the coaching carousel has stopped spinning for this offseason?

Would Gottlieb have left his nice new job at CBS sports for us?

Heck, why don't we just hire all the former ESPN analysts and make Erin Andrews our AD. That sounds like a better hire.

Hopefully.  He wanted our job pretty bad at the time.

YEAH WHY DON'T WE HIRE SEAN LOWE AS FOOTBALL COACH HUR HUR HUR

[Tobias]

Would Gottlieb have left his nice new job at CBS sports for us?

Heck, why don't we just hire all the former ESPN analysts and make Erin Andrews our AD. That sounds like a better hire.

mr. daris, i present to you this week's installment 

[Panjandrum]

At the end of the day, when I look back on it, my number one choice, by far, was Gottlieb.

I don't know what this says about me, and I've been chastised for it by many friends, but dammit, I wanted Doug.

I agree with the vast majority of what Trim says, but I guess I'm either in denial (which is very common with me; my main go-to coping mechanism) or I just have lower expectations than most others when I say that I think oscar will do "alright".

While I love me some good capital improvement project porn, I can't forgive Currie for how this went down, and how he tried to sell it back.  I'm not going to hold that against oscar, though.  IMO, the guy enjoys coaching, wants to coach at a high level, and he's going to put forth the effort.  He may not get the results, but he'll at least give a crap, which puts him above Asbury and Wooly in my eyes.

God, when I think about how much fun #Gottlieb4KSU was, it makes me sad.

[Trim]

At the end of the day, when I look back on it, my number one choice, by far, was Gottlieb.

I don't know what this says about me, and I've been chastised for it by many friends, but dammit, I wanted Doug.

I agree with the vast majority of what Trim says, but I guess I'm either in denial (which is very common with me; my main go-to coping mechanism) or I just have lower expectations than most others when I say that I think oscar will do "alright".

While I love me some good capital improvement project porn, I can't forgive Currie for how this went down, and how he tried to sell it back.  I'm not going to hold that against oscar, though.  IMO, the guy enjoys coaching, wants to coach at a high level, and he's going to put forth the effort.  He may not get the results, but he'll at least give a crap, which puts him above Asbury and Wooly in my eyes.

God, when I think about how much fun #Gottlieb4KSU was, it makes me sad.

Sometimes I feel like an bad person when people say what I've said (minus the slightly pro-Weber things), but tactfully.

But I'll forget about it by the morning.

[mancattanite]

Fwiw, I have said way more to Weber than I ever did to Frank. So I don't have the whole picture I suppose.

This doesn't account for your apparent ignorance of the countless stories from local & national media and the many many message board tales of how great Frank is away from the court with people.  Honest question, did you become a K-State basketball fan after Weber was hired?

I have been a K-State fan my whole life. Point of pride: I was in bramlage coliseum the day after I was born (yes, I'm a young gun).

My (limited) personal experiences with Frank were that I felt like he didn't give a crap about being around the fans at that time. He would've rather been somewhere else.

My one experience with Weber was a 5 minute conversation that he actually seemed interested in.

Obviously there are people that had different experiences.

I'm not sure why you quoted my post because other than responding to the question I asked about how long you've been a fan because the rest of the post completely ignored my other questions/points to you.  I'll ask one more time.  Hos did you miss the countless stories of how great Frank is on a personal basis?  Did you not read or had friends who met Frank the 6 seasons he was here?  You made an odd assumption and felt it fit to run with it for 6 years despite an incredible amount of contrary evidence?

Are you a sock?

I read stories about how great Frank was. I have friends that have met him. Their opinions were generally positive. After I met him I made an assumption and disregarded what other people said about him.

You obviously thought Frank was great at relating to people.

Firmly not a sock.

[mancattanite]

How great would it have been if he'd gotten thrown in a Brazilian prison for his antics and we would've had to hire Gottlieb because the coaching carousel has stopped spinning for this offseason?

Would Gottlieb have left his nice new job at CBS sports for us?

Heck, why don't we just hire all the former ESPN analysts and make Erin Andrews our AD. That sounds like a better hire.

Hopefully.  He wanted our job pretty bad at the time.

YEAH WHY DON'T WE HIRE SEAN LOWE AS FOOTBALL COACH HUR HUR HUR

You do realize I was only joking about Andrews. Not Gottlieb.

[Panjandrum]

At the end of the day, when I look back on it, my number one choice, by far, was Gottlieb.

I don't know what this says about me, and I've been chastised for it by many friends, but dammit, I wanted Doug.

I agree with the vast majority of what Trim says, but I guess I'm either in denial (which is very common with me; my main go-to coping mechanism) or I just have lower expectations than most others when I say that I think oscar will do "alright".

While I love me some good capital improvement project porn, I can't forgive Currie for how this went down, and how he tried to sell it back.  I'm not going to hold that against oscar, though.  IMO, the guy enjoys coaching, wants to coach at a high level, and he's going to put forth the effort.  He may not get the results, but he'll at least give a crap, which puts him above Asbury and Wooly in my eyes.

God, when I think about how much fun #Gottlieb4KSU was, it makes me sad.

Sometimes I feel like an bad person when people say what I've said (minus the slightly pro-Weber things), but tactfully.

But I'll forget about it by the morning.

Oh, I'm an emotional roller coaster, but my profession forces me to be tactful in the face of being in a blind rage.

It's an acquired skill.

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Oh, I'm an emotional roller coaster, but my profession forces me to be tactful in the face of being in a blind rage.

It's an acquired skill.

Luckily in my job as V.P. of Member Relations for goEMAW, I can generally not give a eff.

[Tobias]

Oh, I'm an emotional roller coaster, but my profession forces me to be tactful in the face of being in a blind rage.

It's an acquired skill.

Luckily in my job as V.P. of Member Relations for goEMAW, I can generally not give a eff.

but seriously, quiet with this gottlieb talk.. i'm getting pissed off

there's some sort of opportunity out there for a november rain parody video of that fateful day

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there's some sort of opportunity out there for a november rain parody video of that fateful day

[sonofdaxjones]

I was on #teamgottlieb as well, but most AD's aren't going to take that chance.

[TheHamburglar]

I was on #teamgottlieb as well, but most AD's aren't going to take that chance.

Most ADs also aren't going to hire a coach who took a program that had the talent to go to the Championship game and ran it into the ground to the point they went 50-56 over 6 league seasons, culminating in a 6-12 season where they lost their team.

[Trim]

I was on #teamgottlieb as well, but most AD's aren't going to take that chance.

Of course, there were others that would've been good selections, but Gottlieb embodied the idea of the approach that was needed in the hiring process.

Sucks that we were saddled with an AD that couldn't approach things right because of his own personal incentives.

[steve dave]

Of course, there were others that would've been good selections, but Gottlieb embodied the idea of the approach that was needed in the hiring process.

this is an excellent point

[kso_FAN]

Just stop. Frank cared a lot. Can confirm he'd make sure players talked to student media before real media in practice. Frank had charisma, that's what we're going to miss at the head coaching position. He was easy to like to the hard working adult fan, they understood his tough exterior. Bubbles is a goof.

Frank had so much charisma/personality/whatever you want to call it that he became K-State basketball. How many programs put their coach on the media guide like we did? And irregardless of his idiosyncrasies he became easy to love as a basketball fan.

FWIW, I was 100% pro-Doug, but I will also admit there was a significant amount of risk there.

As for oscar, I think a significant amount of the displeasure in his hire besides the failures at Illinois are that he's the anti-Frank. I think the squeaky clean part has been overplayed, but its clear he has a simple, "nice guy" personality. Even if he's successful here, it will be a lot different, and not quite as much fun (or at least a different fun) than it was with Frank. Frank always made thing interesting, we can already tell that oscar is not going to be that way. I don't think he's an incompetent coach and I believe he has the ability to be successful here, but the lack of personality takes a bit of the fun away, even with my optimistic tendencies.

[wildcat123]

I'm not sure which bandwagon i am on, but lets not forget that Frank basically lost his team as well.  If a handfull of guys were going to leave then this next year was probably going to be fairly rough for us.  I loved FM but keeping him and losing 1/2 the talent would have blackened KSU basketball for a long time to come.  Not that i have a choice, but i'm going to give BW a chance this year.  If he jacks that all to hell, then its go time.

[8manpick]

Lost a team and got them an NCAA tournament win vs. lost a team and went 14-16 or whatever Brucey was.  And you don't know that players were going to leave wildcat123.

[Trim]

I'm not sure which bandwagon i am on, but lets not forget that Frank basically lost his team as well.  If a handfull of guys were going to leave then this next year was probably going to be fairly rough for us.  I loved FM but keeping him and losing 1/2 the talent would have blackened KSU basketball for a long time to come.  Not that i have a choice, but i'm going to give BW a chance this year.  If he jacks that all to hell, then its go time.

Objection, arguing facts not in evidence.

[mocat]

Just stop. Frank cared a lot. Can confirm he'd make sure players talked to student media before real media in practice. Frank had charisma, that's what we're going to miss at the head coaching position. He was easy to like to the hard working adult fan, they understood his tough exterior. Bubbles is a goof.

Frank had so much charisma/personality/whatever you want to call it that he became K-State basketball. How many programs put their coach on the media guide like we did? And irregardless of his idiosyncrasies he became easy to love as a basketball fan.

FWIW, I was 100% pro-Doug, but I will also admit there was a significant amount of risk there.

As for oscar, I think a significant amount of the displeasure in his hire besides the failures at Illinois are that he's the anti-Frank. I think the squeaky clean part has been overplayed, but its clear he has a simple, "nice guy" personality. Even if he's successful here, it will be a lot different, and not quite as much fun (or at least a different fun) than it was with Frank. Frank always made thing interesting, we can already tell that oscar is not going to be that way. I don't think he's an incompetent coach and I believe he has the ability to be successful here, but the lack of personality takes a bit of the fun away, even with my optimistic tendencies.

Neckbruce?
Brucebrace?

You decide.

[Trim]

I might not speak for everyone but I don't think my fun would be diminished by oscar being a nice guy if we were winning, nor would my fun remain if Frank was all goofy/Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and we lost.  To me, oscar is simply a name for losing and Frank is a name for winning, based on the history we have.

Ideally, we'll win with Angel and our beloved EMAW players and they'll be the only names worth knowing.

[sys]

I take solace in the fact that the worst decision frank ever made was to leave and he knows it. He mumped his career for the rest of his life and he is regretting it and will never stop. I take solace in it because eff frank martin.

nazis gonna nazi.  martin has won everywhere he's ever been.  won big everywhere he's ever been.  it's a shame you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), racist, midwestern nazis are too stupid to realize he's good.  he'd still be kstate's coach if you weren't so rough ridin' stupid.  and if he was still our coach, we'd still be winning.

[sys]

Also while I'm here I'll take a run at CC because I think he got a pass.  His response to Hamburgular was total horse crap and it would be if he worked for the AD or if he slung sandwiches at Jimmy John's. "I shouldn't have said it" is a weak ass tapout that wouldn't have been accepted if it came from anyone else.  You shouldn't have thought it.  Who the hell appointed you or anyone else the assessor of EMAW based on reasoning for economic decision making?  I'm fairly sure you have friends or family who don't have season tickets for some reason or another, do you spend time questioning their allegiance?

qfmft.

[JohnCurrie is Weird/Gross]

So blessed to have Trim and Sys as KSU Cat fans. The run of posts in this thread by them are just rough ridin' fantastic.