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The appetite for gaining and keeping power has become more important than doing what's best for the people who the government are tasked with protecting.
Quote from: MakeItRain on October 09, 2023, 03:34:17 PMThe appetite for gaining and keeping power has become more important than doing what's best for the people who the government are tasked with protecting.Well said. As always, I’m skeptical that selfish ambition has ever been less than it is now. That said, it could well be that social stigma has eroded enough that leaders no longer feel that they need to pretend to care about others.
An Israeli military spokesman on Tuesday offered some advice to Palestinians seeking to flee his country’s bombardment of the Gaza Strip: “get out” through the “open” border with Egypt.The problem is that the Rafah crossing in the south of the Palestinian enclave was closed, with news outlets reporting that it had been damaged after an Israeli air strike nearby.The office of military spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Richard Hecht later issued a clarification while the Israel Defense Forces said there had been “no official call by Israel for residents of the Gaza Strip to exit into Egypt”.
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said in a series of posts on X, formerly known as Twitter, that "Israel has no choice but to seek the complete eradication of Hamas in Gaza.""There simply is no diplomatic solution or ‘measured response’ available," Rubio wrote on X. "This tragically necessary effort will come at a horrifying price. But the price of failing to permanently eliminate this group of sadistic savages is even more horrifying."
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Quote from: Cire on October 10, 2023, 10:42:39 AMYikesSent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm sure you had the same response when you saw or read about this right?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12615031/Hamas-terrorists-beheaded-babies-kibbutz-slaughter-IDF-soldiers-reveal-horrific-scenes-carnage-discovered-site-scores-people-massacred.html
African and Asian nations/factions do this kinda crap to each other all the time and we just stay out of it, right? If we were 100% energy independent, wouldn’t this just be the same? Wouldn’t we just stay the eff out of it?
Quote from: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2023, 11:20:59 AMQuote from: Cire on October 10, 2023, 10:42:39 AMYikesSent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm sure you had the same response when you saw or read about this right?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12615031/Hamas-terrorists-beheaded-babies-kibbutz-slaughter-IDF-soldiers-reveal-horrific-scenes-carnage-discovered-site-scores-people-massacred.htmlDefinitely not any good guys in this one.
Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2023, 01:09:06 PMQuote from: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2023, 11:20:59 AMQuote from: Cire on October 10, 2023, 10:42:39 AMYikesSent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm sure you had the same response when you saw or read about this right?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12615031/Hamas-terrorists-beheaded-babies-kibbutz-slaughter-IDF-soldiers-reveal-horrific-scenes-carnage-discovered-site-scores-people-massacred.htmlDefinitely not any good guys in this one.Could you elaborate a little on this answer? Who exactly are not the good guys in this?
Quote from: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2023, 01:16:51 PMQuote from: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2023, 01:09:06 PMQuote from: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2023, 11:20:59 AMQuote from: Cire on October 10, 2023, 10:42:39 AMYikesSent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm sure you had the same response when you saw or read about this right?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12615031/Hamas-terrorists-beheaded-babies-kibbutz-slaughter-IDF-soldiers-reveal-horrific-scenes-carnage-discovered-site-scores-people-massacred.htmlDefinitely not any good guys in this one.Could you elaborate a little on this answer? Who exactly are not the good guys in this?Let me help you out on this, as I have been trained in how to read good. The "not the good guys" are any, according to that poster.
Quote from: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2023, 01:16:51 PMQuote from: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2023, 01:09:06 PMQuote from: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2023, 11:20:59 AMQuote from: Cire on October 10, 2023, 10:42:39 AMYikesSent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm sure you had the same response when you saw or read about this right?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12615031/Hamas-terrorists-beheaded-babies-kibbutz-slaughter-IDF-soldiers-reveal-horrific-scenes-carnage-discovered-site-scores-people-massacred.htmlDefinitely not any good guys in this one.Could you elaborate a little on this answer? Who exactly are not the good guys in this?The people killing civilians.
Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2023, 01:31:54 PMQuote from: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2023, 01:16:51 PMQuote from: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2023, 01:09:06 PMQuote from: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2023, 11:20:59 AMQuote from: Cire on October 10, 2023, 10:42:39 AMYikesSent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm sure you had the same response when you saw or read about this right?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12615031/Hamas-terrorists-beheaded-babies-kibbutz-slaughter-IDF-soldiers-reveal-horrific-scenes-carnage-discovered-site-scores-people-massacred.htmlDefinitely not any good guys in this one.Could you elaborate a little on this answer? Who exactly are not the good guys in this?The people killing civilians.I want to thank you also for your answer. For a second I thought you might have thrown Israel as "not a good guy".
Quote from: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2023, 01:53:33 PMQuote from: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2023, 01:31:54 PMQuote from: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2023, 01:16:51 PMQuote from: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2023, 01:09:06 PMQuote from: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2023, 11:20:59 AMQuote from: Cire on October 10, 2023, 10:42:39 AMYikesSent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm sure you had the same response when you saw or read about this right?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12615031/Hamas-terrorists-beheaded-babies-kibbutz-slaughter-IDF-soldiers-reveal-horrific-scenes-carnage-discovered-site-scores-people-massacred.htmlDefinitely not any good guys in this one.Could you elaborate a little on this answer? Who exactly are not the good guys in this?The people killing civilians.I want to thank you also for your answer. For a second I thought you might have thrown Israel as "not a good guy".The Israeli government are most definitely not good guys and have spent generations killing and torturing civilians. Rubio's quote would have been fine if he stopped at eliminating Hamas. He's clearly advocating for killing all Palestinians in the Gaza Strip of the end result was no more Hamas. That's literally genocide. Unfortunately, no one at all, of any consequence, will check Rubio on that comment. American politicians are falling all over themselves to one up each other in an over the top show of support of Israel. I'm sure another politician will go even farther than Rubio did
I'm curious what advice you all would give to Israel in this situation. What could they do to be 'the good guys'?
That I am afraid is where I fear we are - on the brink of a long planned existential conflict, where Israel will be attacked on all fronts and it only needs Israel to pull the trigger for it to begin. The savage murders of children and women was designed to force Israel’s hand. The terror enacted upon innocents had to be so explicit that Netanyahu - famously reluctant to enter Gaza - would have to do so. And Hamas will gather its citizens and people for their sacrifice for their and Iran’s ultimate goal the erasure of the state of Israel. Israel can win a one front war against Hamas. It can contain a two front war against Hezbollah. It might just endure a three front war in the West Bank. It may not survive a four front war with its domestic Arab population. Everything I fear is designed to bring about the latter
Quote from: _33 on October 10, 2023, 02:34:38 PMI'm curious what advice you all would give to Israel in this situation. What could they do to be 'the good guys'?End the occupation for one. Stop building illegal settlements for another. Not cut off water, electricity and all means of escape (despite advising people to escape) to 2 million civilians while you are bombing them for another.Plenty more but those would be a good start.