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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1525 on: January 30, 2017, 10:25:36 PM »
They already instructed DHS to ignore federal judges, too.

https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/826272670618640384

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1526 on: January 30, 2017, 10:26:07 PM »
Trump fires obama appointed AG who refused to do her job. :zzz:  wgaf

Checks and balances is obviously overrated if you just want to get crap done.

FSD is correct, it really isn't a big deal this woman got fired, she didn't follow a direct order and she's just a fill in. What's funny is that this baboon keeps finding himself in these shitty unprecedented situations that reflect poorly on his leadership.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1527 on: January 30, 2017, 10:29:41 PM »
Agree with mir
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1528 on: January 30, 2017, 10:30:37 PM »
They already instructed DHS to ignore federal judges, too.

https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/826272670618640384

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1529 on: January 30, 2017, 10:34:35 PM »
They already instructed DHS to ignore federal judges, too.

https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/826272670618640384

This doesn't work for me. It's the same stupid crap republicans did to delegitimize the ACA. There is nothing in the constitution that the ACA violated. There's nothing in the constitution expressly prohibiting that president to allow people from Africa as the middle east into the country. Nor does the constitution state you are entitled to disagree with your boss without consequence.

He's just a shitty human doing shitty human things. All people of faith should be leaning on their teachings here, but this isn't a constitutional battle.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1530 on: January 30, 2017, 10:36:50 PM »
Unfortunately most people's faith has been co-opted by the extremist right and people are actively using their faith to be just as, if not more shitty than Bannon's puppet. Faith isn't going to stop this

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1532 on: January 30, 2017, 10:47:59 PM »


Holy crap
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« Reply #1533 on: January 30, 2017, 10:56:36 PM »
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1534 on: January 30, 2017, 11:00:24 PM »
They already instructed DHS to ignore federal judges, too.

https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/826272670618640384

This doesn't work for me. It's the same stupid crap republicans did to delegitimize the ACA. There is nothing in the constitution that the ACA violated. There's nothing in the constitution expressly prohibiting that president to allow people from Africa as the middle east into the country. Nor does the constitution state you are entitled to disagree with your boss without consequence.

He's just a shitty human doing shitty human things. All people of faith should be leaning on their teachings here, but this isn't a constitutional battle.

Yates said she wasn't sure the order was legal. Whether or not she meant Constitutional, the takeaway is still the same. It's absolutely not her job to do whatever the President says.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1535 on: January 30, 2017, 11:09:13 PM »
Trump fires obama appointed AG who refused to do her job. :zzz:  wgaf

Checks and balances is obviously overrated if you just want to get crap done.

:lol: This level of dumbassery needs to be preserved.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1536 on: January 30, 2017, 11:22:32 PM »
Trump fires obama appointed AG who refused to do her job. :zzz:  wgaf

Checks and balances is obviously overrated if you just want to get crap done.

:lol: This level of dumbassery needs to be preserved.

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« Reply #1537 on: January 31, 2017, 02:29:49 AM »
They already instructed DHS to ignore federal judges, too.

https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/826272670618640384

This doesn't work for me. It's the same stupid crap republicans did to delegitimize the ACA. There is nothing in the constitution that the ACA violated. There's nothing in the constitution expressly prohibiting that president to allow people from Africa as the middle east into the country. Nor does the constitution state you are entitled to disagree with your boss without consequence.

He's just a shitty human doing shitty human things. All people of faith should be leaning on their teachings here, but this isn't a constitutional battle.

Yates said she wasn't sure the order was legal. Whether or not she meant Constitutional, the takeaway is still the same. It's absolutely not her job to do whatever the President says.

I have zero issues with what she did or her rationale, my issue is with the Ellison tweet.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1538 on: January 31, 2017, 04:09:01 AM »
They already instructed DHS to ignore federal judges, too.

https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/826272670618640384

This doesn't work for me. It's the same stupid crap republicans did to delegitimize the ACA. There is nothing in the constitution that the ACA violated. There's nothing in the constitution expressly prohibiting that president to allow people from Africa as the middle east into the country. Nor does the constitution state you are entitled to disagree with your boss without consequence.

He's just a shitty human doing shitty human things. All people of faith should be leaning on their teachings here, but this isn't a constitutional battle.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1539 on: January 31, 2017, 06:47:02 AM »
They already instructed DHS to ignore federal judges, too.

https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/826272670618640384

This doesn't work for me. It's the same stupid crap republicans did to delegitimize the ACA. There is nothing in the constitution that the ACA violated. There's nothing in the constitution expressly prohibiting that president to allow people from Africa as the middle east into the country. Nor does the constitution state you are entitled to disagree with your boss without consequence.

He's just a shitty human doing shitty human things. All people of faith should be leaning on their teachings here, but this isn't a constitutional battle.

Yates said she wasn't sure the order was legal. Whether or not she meant Constitutional, the takeaway is still the same. It's absolutely not her job to do whatever the President says.

I have zero issues with what she did or her rationale, my issue is with the Ellison tweet.

My issue is with what Trump did. I'm not at all surprised by it. And maybe there would have been zero transition and she would have been out the second Trump's guy was approved, anyway. But the general principle acted on here, and the message that was sent, is that Trump will fire anyone he can who doesn't do whatever he wants regardless. That's very bad.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1540 on: January 31, 2017, 07:08:51 AM »

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« Reply #1541 on: January 31, 2017, 07:45:31 AM »
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1542 on: January 31, 2017, 07:54:16 AM »
Republican hypocrisy is at an all time high. Please KSU-W and dax, defend your boy Sessions and that video. Sally Yates did exactly what she should have

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1543 on: January 31, 2017, 07:55:44 AM »
I think a lot of people are waking up to the fact that the old way of things that included very serious deliberation and norms and Institutions was just a gaudy mask for the true nature of power. Trump doesn't care about any of these things and has ripped off the mask to reveal the ugly gears of power grinding away.  It is just people in power doing what they can with the power they have.

People tend to get reacquainted with the incredible power the President has each time the president isn't from their party. The post-9/11 presidential powers that W/Obama have amassed (NSA/FBI/FISA, CIA deep state, vast covert action powers/drones) combined with the post WW2 permanent war powers given to the President regarding nuclear weapons leave the opposition rightly being able to charge that we have an imperial presidency.

Hopefully, people begin to question how we can unwind some of this. I'm not overly optimistic about it given the bipartisan consensus on the imperial presidency, but if Trump is going to careen from one crisis to another and people are motivated to resist him, then perhaps some powers can be rolled back, if not now, then based on the memories of Trump's failings.

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« Reply #1544 on: January 31, 2017, 07:57:31 AM »
So the Supreme Court pick is "live at 8pm" what crazy crap does he do before then?  :excited:
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1545 on: January 31, 2017, 09:27:47 AM »
They already instructed DHS to ignore federal judges, too.

https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/826272670618640384

This doesn't work for me. It's the same stupid crap republicans did to delegitimize the ACA. There is nothing in the constitution that the ACA violated. There's nothing in the constitution expressly prohibiting that president to allow people from Africa as the middle east into the country. Nor does the constitution state you are entitled to disagree with your boss without consequence.

He's just a shitty human doing shitty human things. All people of faith should be leaning on their teachings here, but this isn't a constitutional battle.

Yates said she wasn't sure the order was legal. Whether or not she meant Constitutional, the takeaway is still the same. It's absolutely not her job to do whatever the President says.

It absolute is, and she has an ethical duty to advocate or withdraw. This reflects poorly on her as an attorney and on the administration that assured everyone they'd cooperate in the transition.
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« Reply #1546 on: January 31, 2017, 09:33:28 AM »
It absolutely is not.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #1548 on: January 31, 2017, 11:31:55 AM »
I think a lot of people are waking up to the fact that the old way of things that included very serious deliberation and norms and Institutions was just a gaudy mask for the true nature of power. Drumpf doesn't care about any of these things and has ripped off the mask to reveal the ugly gears of power grinding away.  It is just people in power doing what they can with the power they have.

People tend to get reacquainted with the incredible power the President has each time the president isn't from their party. The post-9/11 presidential powers that W/Obama have amassed (NSA/FBI/FISA, CIA deep state, vast covert action powers/drones) combined with the post WW2 permanent war powers given to the President regarding nuclear weapons leave the opposition rightly being able to charge that we have an imperial presidency.

Hopefully, people begin to question how we can unwind some of this. I'm not overly optimistic about it given the bipartisan consensus on the imperial presidency, but if Drumpf is going to careen from one crisis to another and people are motivated to resist him, then perhaps some powers can be rolled back, if not now, then based on the memories of Drumpf's failings.

Pretty much the heart of it. The presidency as an office has grown leaps of power since LBJ and Nixon were in office. The :lol: part I'm enjoying is at anyone defending though the orange one. I mean, he's doing what he said he do, but the insanity he brings to the whole thing is going to collapse on itself eventually.
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« Reply #1549 on: January 31, 2017, 11:54:03 AM »
If I was one who supported what Trump said he would do I'd be most pissed that he is fumbling each of these things from a PR perspective and boiling the water too fast