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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: HerrSonntag on December 10, 2016, 11:49:24 PM
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This team is an NCAA tourny bid team. They will get a bid. They might not make i past the first round (see Maryland) but we'll still have oscar next year.
The worst hurt will be losing to Brad, Bob, and Lon.
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Schedule is bad
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This team is an NCAA tourny bid team. They will get a bid. They might not make i past the first round (see Maryland) but we'll still have oscar next year.
The worst hurt will be losing to Brad, Bob, and Lon.
Agree on losing to Brad, Bob and Lon. Disagree on a tourney bid. Something will go wrong. That's life with oscar.
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Schedule is bad
a decent team was done no favors. it's really quite fun.
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Schedule is bad
At some point there needs to be some acknowledgement over what they have done to the teams on the schedule. This is absolutely different than what Wooly's teams did against bad schedules.
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Schedule is bad
At some point there needs to be some acknowledgement over what they have done to the teams on the schedule. This is absolutely different than what Wooly's teams did against bad schedules.
This feels and sounds right, I'd like to see the analysis done by one of our more trusted EMAWers with time on their hands.
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Schedule is bad
At some point there needs to be some acknowledgement over what they have done to the teams on the schedule. This is absolutely different than what Wooly's teams did against bad schedules.
This feels and sounds right, I'd like to see the analysis done by one of our more trusted EMAWers with time on their hands.
Wooly's best OOC.
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Schedule is bad
At some point there needs to be some acknowledgement over what they have done to the teams on the schedule. This is absolutely different than what Wooly's teams did against bad schedules.
This feels and sounds right, I'd like to see the analysis done by one of our more trusted EMAWers with time on their hands.
Wooly's best OOC.
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Thanks. What season was this? oscar is definitely faring better than that in our current run through the bottom of the barrel in the noncon.
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That was Wooly's NIT bubble season in 2005.
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Schedule is bad
At some point there needs to be some acknowledgement over what they have done to the teams on the schedule. This is absolutely different than what Wooly's teams did against bad schedules.
This feels and sounds right, I'd like to see the analysis done by one of our more trusted EMAWers with time on their hands.
Wooly's best OOC.
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Exactly what I thought, thanks. Wooly played a D2 school in January :ROFL:
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Rutgers was the free hot dog game right?
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Rutgers was the free hot dog game right?
Yes.
According to Wooly at the time, the CMSU game happened because the Cats had a high profile opponent lined up that fell through late. Wooly then asked his old school to fill the void; CMSU had just inducted him into their HOF the year before.
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Schedule is bad
At some point there needs to be some acknowledgement over what they have done to the teams on the schedule. This is absolutely different than what Wooly's teams did against bad schedules.
This feels and sounds right, I'd like to see the analysis done by one of our more trusted EMAWers with time on their hands.
Wooly's best OOC.
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Was hoping that matchup with Denver U was during 6-time Mr. Olympia-winner Phil Heath's tenure with the team...it was 3 years after. Damn, really makes that win a thousand times less impressive.
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Schedule is bad
At some point there needs to be some acknowledgement over what they have done to the teams on the schedule. This is absolutely different than what Wooly's teams did against bad schedules.
This feels and sounds right, I'd like to see the analysis done by one of our more trusted EMAWers with time on their hands.
Wooly's best OOC.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161212%2Fb37a53c0e6315701fc49b8b1f81b80b5.jpg&hash=2dfaa6f0555ea88e1383bffdcc403a64b2701056)
2 more top 100 wins than oscar will have.
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm jacked about playing in the ncaa tourn-a-ment.
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm jacked about playing in the ncaa tourn-a-ment.
It would be a lot of fun. I'd like for DJamer and Wes to get a shot.
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm jacked about playing in the ncaa tourn-a-ment.
It would be a lot of fun. I'd like for DJamer and Wes to get a shot.
first, wes and DJamer already played in the ncaa in 2013. wes even started. second, i confused wooldridge's best non-con with asbury's 98-99 - a team that i was really psyched about after their maui invitational showing. my god, how the years pass, and how terrible that whole era of cat bball was.
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Schedule is bad
At some point there needs to be some acknowledgement over what they have done to the teams on the schedule. This is absolutely different than what Wooly's teams did against bad schedules.
This feels and sounds right, I'd like to see the analysis done by one of our more trusted EMAWers with time on their hands.
Wooly's best OOC.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161212%2Fb37a53c0e6315701fc49b8b1f81b80b5.jpg&hash=2dfaa6f0555ea88e1383bffdcc403a64b2701056)
2 more top 100 wins than oscar will have.
That's your takeaway?
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm jacked about playing in the ncaa tourn-a-ment.
It would be a lot of fun. I'd like for DJamer and Wes to get a shot.
first, wes and DJamer already played in the ncaa in 2013. wes even started. second, i confused wooldridge's best non-con with asbury's 98-99 - a team that i was really psyched about after their maui invitational showing. my god, how the years pass, and how terrible that whole era of cat bball was.
Yeah, I meant to type "another" shot.
That loss to Indiana in 98 was a heartbreaker.
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When one is googling these people to see who hired and fired whom, this thread on this very blog comes up: http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=20490.0
Anyway, the same AD hired and fired Asbury, and hired Wooldridge. A different AD fired Wooldridge.
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This is not a tournament team. oscar will be back anyways :horrorsurprise:
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I think it will be very difficult for oscar to keep his job if we don't make the tournament. This conversation becomes difficult to have on gE because 95% of the posters on here have lost all objectivity on this subject. If we don't make the tournament but have considerable forward momentum then he stays and deserves to do so. The CBI or CIT isn't good enough. We'll need to see a couple of big wins and more importantly big crowds at Bramlage. I don't think Currie will have any tolerance for thousands.of empties in February.
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I think it will be very difficult for oscar to keep his job if we don't make the tournament. This conversation becomes difficult to have on gE because 95% of the posters on here have lost all objectivity on this subject. If we don't make the tournament but have considerable forward momentum then he stays and deserves to do so. The CBI or CIT isn't good enough. We'll need to see a couple of big wins and more importantly big crowds at Bramlage. I don't think Currie will have any tolerance for thousands.of empties in February.
Good rational post here.
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I think it will be very difficult for oscar to keep his job if we don't make the tournament.
The scenario you then laid out doesn't seem difficult at all, especially when Currie can influence the narrative on the momentum/attendance concepts, and to date, has shown he wants to inflate them positively.
If we don't make the tournament but have considerable forward momentum then he stays and deserves to do so. The CBI or CIT isn't good enough. We'll need to see a couple of big wins and more importantly big crowds at Bramlage. I don't think Currie will have any tolerance for thousands.of empties in February.
It'd be awkward if he were to cite lack of progress and down attendance when nobody's been a bigger proponent of kstatembb success in those fields than himself. However, he could shut down an NIT berth and then cite lack of being in a "major" tournament as the dealbreaker.
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I think it will be very difficult for oscar to keep his job if we don't make the tournament. This conversation becomes difficult to have on gE because 95% of the posters on here have lost all objectivity on this subject. If we don't make the tournament but have considerable forward momentum then he stays and deserves to do so. The CBI or CIT isn't good enough. We'll need to see a couple of big wins and more importantly big crowds at Bramlage. I don't think Currie will have any tolerance for thousands.of empties in February.
Good rational post here.
I have a difficult time participating in most of the men's basketball threads because of your second statement. I want to discuss things separating what I think from what I feel. I am not a Weber fan, but I can discuss his positives as well as his negatives.
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With this schedule, how on earth could you be convinced of forward momentum without an NCAA bid?
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With this schedule, how on earth could you be convinced of forward momentum without an NCAA bid?
The "you" is the key. And Corbin McGuire is up to the task.
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I think it will be very difficult for oscar to keep his job if we don't make the tournament.
The scenario you then laid out doesn't seem difficult at all, especially when Currie can influence the narrative on the momentum/attendance concepts, and to date, has shown he wants to inflate them positively.
If we don't make the tournament but have considerable forward momentum then he stays and deserves to do so. The CBI or CIT isn't good enough. We'll need to see a couple of big wins and more importantly big crowds at Bramlage. I don't think Currie will have any tolerance for thousands.of empties in February.
It'd be awkward if he were to cite lack of progress and down attendance when nobody's been a bigger proponent of kstatembb success in those fields than himself. However, he could shut down an NIT berth and then cite lack of being in a "major" tournament as the dealbreaker.
I didn't know people actually take these marketing talking points seriously, I thought you guys were gEing this entire time. Do you really think he or any other AD are going to give you true insight as to their evaluation when discussing programs publicly?
K-State Men's Basketball- "Come out to see the guy I gave one more year to in hopes that he makes my decision more tolerable. Call 1-800-221-CATS"
K-State Football- "Contact the Ahearn Fund today to renew your donation. The amount of cash this program is generating is the only thing that makes dealing with this intractable fossil tolerable."
K-State Volleyball- "Buy tickets to Saturday's matchup with Texas Tech for $3 with your football ticket because we need to squeeze every dime out of this better than average program we can. Sure we'll never allocate resources to make this program any better than it is now, but you don't care and neither do we. Did we mention like the whole team is once again academic all conference?"
K-State baseball- "Buy your season tickets today to see boring college baseball with substandard facilities...BEER!!!"
K-State women's basketball- "COME WATCH JEFF MITTIE, HE'S GOOD I HIRED HIM! PLEASSSSEEEE COME WATCH, WE CAN'T LET HIM LEAVE, I HIRED HIM GUYS!"
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With this schedule, how on earth could you be convinced of forward momentum without an NCAA bid?
I said very difficult
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I think it will be very difficult for oscar to keep his job if we don't make the tournament. This conversation becomes difficult to have on gE because 95% of the posters on here have lost all objectivity on this subject. If we don't make the tournament but have considerable forward momentum then he stays and deserves to do so. The CBI or CIT isn't good enough. We'll need to see a couple of big wins and more importantly big crowds at Bramlage. I don't think Currie will have any tolerance for thousands.of empties in February.
Good rational post here.
I have a difficult time participating in most of the men's basketball threads because of your second statement. I want to discuss things separating what I think from what I feel. I am not a Weber fan, but I can discuss his positives as well as his negatives.
Yep.
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Only fire oscar once you have a better coach or a coach with significantly better potential lined up. It should never be about firing a guy for performance. Should always be about the next guy. The poor performance only opens the the door for Currie to do his job.
I think from an AD standpoint you could fire oscar even if we make the tournament or not. An Ad could make the argument that with the currently leadership there are issues selling program from multiple standpoints, recruiting and marketing.
oscar could also not make the tournament, be around 30th in kenpom and I would also say it could be very logical not to fire him. That would show two years of improvement with a young roster, gaining 20+ spots in kenpom each year. Could Currie find a better coach than that?
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Only fire oscar once you have a better coach or a coach with significantly better potential lined up. It should never be about firing a guy for performance. Should always be about the next guy. The poor performance only opens the the door for Currie to do his job.
This is certifiably insane. Just for my own edification does anyone else reading this thread think like this? You realize using this logic we would still have Tom Asbury coaching here, right?
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yes it is the logic of a mad man. it's mixed-nutz though so
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Only fire oscar once you have a better coach or a coach with significantly better potential lined up. It should never be about firing a guy for performance. Should always be about the next guy. The poor performance only opens the the door for Currie to do his job.
This is certifiably insane. Just for my own edification does anyone else reading this thread think like this? You realize using this logic we would still have Tom Asbury coaching here, right?
I get what he's saying and in theory it sounds good to me but doesn't have real world application
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Only fire oscar once you have a better coach or a coach with significantly better potential lined up. It should never be about firing a guy for performance. Should always be about the next guy. The poor performance only opens the the door for Currie to do his job.
This is certifiably insane. Just for my own edification does anyone else reading this thread think like this? You realize using this logic we would still have Tom Asbury coaching here, right?
He was never over 500 in conference play. Would not have been that hard to find some with significantly more potential than him. With this logic might have seen Dana for a longer time. But that ended weirdly and him leaving.
Btw, Wolly ended up with a higher conference winning percentage than Tom.
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Only fire oscar once you have a better coach or a coach with significantly better potential lined up. It should never be about firing a guy for performance. Should always be about the next guy. The poor performance only opens the the door for Currie to do his job.
This is certifiably insane. Just for my own edification does anyone else reading this thread think like this? You realize using this logic we would still have Tom Asbury coaching here, right?
He was never over 500 in conference play. Would not have been that hard to find some with significantly more potential than him. With this logic might have seen Dana for a longer time. But that ended weirdly and him leaving.
Btw, Wolly ended up with a higher conference winning percentage than Tom.
dana never finished over .500 either, idiot.
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I think it will be very difficult for oscar to keep his job if we don't make the tournament.
The scenario you then laid out doesn't seem difficult at all, especially when Currie can influence the narrative on the momentum/attendance concepts, and to date, has shown he wants to inflate them positively.
If we don't make the tournament but have considerable forward momentum then he stays and deserves to do so. The CBI or CIT isn't good enough. We'll need to see a couple of big wins and more importantly big crowds at Bramlage. I don't think Currie will have any tolerance for thousands.of empties in February.
It'd be awkward if he were to cite lack of progress and down attendance when nobody's been a bigger proponent of kstatembb success in those fields than himself. However, he could shut down an NIT berth and then cite lack of being in a "major" tournament as the dealbreaker.
I didn't know people actually take these marketing talking points seriously, I thought you guys were gEing this entire time. Do you really think he or any other AD are going to give you true insight as to their evaluation when discussing programs publicly?
The team can very easily accomplish more wins, an NIT bid, "big" wins at home, high attendance figures and indicators of progress. The first 2-3 can be done in reality, the latter 2-3 can be done by continuing the M.O. of the department. My point is that you started by saying it'd be very difficult for oscar to keep his job if he missed the tournament (I'm sure you meant NCAA), but then laid out a very simple and probable scenario in which he would, and in which I agree he'd keep the job.
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Only fire oscar once you have a better coach or a coach with significantly better potential lined up. It should never be about firing a guy for performance. Should always be about the next guy. The poor performance only opens the the door for Currie to do his job.
This is certifiably insane. Just for my own edification does anyone else reading this thread think like this? You realize using this logic we would still have Tom Asbury coaching here, right?
He was never over 500 in conference play. Would not have been that hard to find some with significantly more potential than him. With this logic might have seen Dana for a longer time. But that ended weirdly and him leaving.
Btw, Wolly ended up with a higher conference winning percentage than Tom.
Your two posts here represent two different philosophies. In your first post you said a coach should never be fire for his performance but it should be about the next guy. Then in the second post you talked about Asbury never finishing above .500 in conference, isn't that a performance measure? Also Asbury was an accomplished coach, there was no reason at the time, our athletic department was truly a barren wasteland, to think we were going to find someone as accomplished as Asbury. Guess what happened, we didn't find someone as accomplished as Asbury either, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have canned him.
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I think it will be very difficult for oscar to keep his job if we don't make the tournament.
The scenario you then laid out doesn't seem difficult at all, especially when Currie can influence the narrative on the momentum/attendance concepts, and to date, has shown he wants to inflate them positively.
If we don't make the tournament but have considerable forward momentum then he stays and deserves to do so. The CBI or CIT isn't good enough. We'll need to see a couple of big wins and more importantly big crowds at Bramlage. I don't think Currie will have any tolerance for thousands.of empties in February.
It'd be awkward if he were to cite lack of progress and down attendance when nobody's been a bigger proponent of kstatembb success in those fields than himself. However, he could shut down an NIT berth and then cite lack of being in a "major" tournament as the dealbreaker.
I didn't know people actually take these marketing talking points seriously, I thought you guys were gEing this entire time. Do you really think he or any other AD are going to give you true insight as to their evaluation when discussing programs publicly?
The team can very easily accomplish more wins, an NIT bid, "big" wins at home, high attendance figures and indicators of progress. The first 2-3 can be done in reality, the latter 2-3 can be done by continuing the M.O. of the department. My point is that you started by saying it'd be very difficult for oscar to keep his job if he missed the tournament (I'm sure you meant NCAA), but then laid out a very simple and probable scenario in which he would, and in which I agree he'd keep the job.
The difference is that if he went 8-10 with wins over KU, OSU, and WVU or Baylor I would give him credit for relevant progress, I'm not sure you would. That's not to say I think he's the long term solution, but I wouldn't mock Currie for keeping him. I also think a season like this does not remove oscar from the hot seat, I don't think he can afford to take a step back or a lateral step until he finishes in the top four with a tournament win. He was able to survive the previous two years because he really didn't have anywhere to go but down. He's now bottomed out and he will not get the luxury of doing this again.
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Only fire oscar once you have a better coach or a coach with significantly better potential lined up. It should never be about firing a guy for performance. Should always be about the next guy. The poor performance only opens the the door for Currie to do his job.
This is certifiably insane. Just for my own edification does anyone else reading this thread think like this? You realize using this logic we would still have Tom Asbury coaching here, right?
I could agree with Mixed Nuts statement if we are talking about a guy like Jaime Dixon or Matt Painter - guys with a track record of success that have had some tough years and are young enough that their best days might be ahead of them. Not a 60 year old that hasn't won a NCAA game in 5 years.
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I'm not trim, but for me personally, I mock currie for hiring him and giving him the job in the first place. so in that sense, every day that goes by in which oscar is still the coach is a day that I will continue to mock currie.
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The difference is that if he went 8-10 with wins over KU, OSU, and WVU or Baylor I would give him credit for relevant progress, I'm not sure you would. That's not to say I think he's the long term solution, but I wouldn't mock Currie for keeping him. I also think a season like this does not remove oscar from the hot seat, I don't think he can afford to take a step back or a lateral step until he finishes in the top four with a tournament win. He was able to survive the previous two years because he really didn't have anywhere to go but down. He's now bottomed out and he will not get the luxury of doing this again.
It doesn't matter what I give him credit for w/respect to whether he keeps his job.
I don't mock Currie for keeping him. I mock Currie for hiring him. Now I want Currie to keep him and live w/him for as long as Currie's at KSU.
Your example of what he could do to keep his job - more Ws, NIT, "progress" - isn't difficult. Yes, being able to accomplish progress w/that is a result of being so shitty. I'm in agreement with you other than your very initial premise that it would be difficult for him to keep his job if he didn't make the tournament.
However, I think it'll be difficult for him to lose his job under almost any realistic outcome of this season, and I'm glad.
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I think oscar just needs 6 conference wins to be safe.
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Only fire oscar once you have a better coach or a coach with significantly better potential lined up. It should never be about firing a guy for performance. Should always be about the next guy. The poor performance only opens the the door for Currie to do his job.
This is certifiably insane. Just for my own edification does anyone else reading this thread think like this? You realize using this logic we would still have Tom Asbury coaching here, right?
He was never over 500 in conference play. Would not have been that hard to find some with significantly more potential than him. With this logic might have seen Dana for a longer time. But that ended weirdly and him leaving.
Btw, Wolly ended up with a higher conference winning percentage than Tom.
Your two posts here represent two different philosophies. In your first post you said a coach should never be fire for his performance but it should be about the next guy. Then in the second post you talked about Asbury never finishing above .500 in conference, isn't that a performance measure? Also Asbury was an accomplished coach, there was no reason at the time, our athletic department was truly a barren wasteland, to think we were going to find someone as accomplished as Asbury. Guess what happened, we didn't find someone as accomplished as Asbury either, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have canned him.
Its still always about the next guy. Firing a bad coach to hire another bad coach is just a waste of buyout money. It only hurts the program. Firing and coach and hiring a worse coach is how you get in the position that KU football is in.
If oscar starts to struggle, Currie needs not only understand the coaching market but have relations, tie ins and ect to the next guy. OSU showed last year how you perform a coaching search, from my understanding they were talking to Brad for sometime. Otherwise it is just a waste.
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Only fire oscar once you have a better coach or a coach with significantly better potential lined up. It should never be about firing a guy for performance. Should always be about the next guy. The poor performance only opens the the door for Currie to do his job.
This is certifiably insane. Just for my own edification does anyone else reading this thread think like this? You realize using this logic we would still have Tom Asbury coaching here, right?
He was never over 500 in conference play. Would not have been that hard to find some with significantly more potential than him. With this logic might have seen Dana for a longer time. But that ended weirdly and him leaving.
Btw, Wolly ended up with a higher conference winning percentage than Tom.
Your two posts here represent two different philosophies. In your first post you said a coach should never be fire for his performance but it should be about the next guy. Then in the second post you talked about Asbury never finishing above .500 in conference, isn't that a performance measure? Also Asbury was an accomplished coach, there was no reason at the time, our athletic department was truly a barren wasteland, to think we were going to find someone as accomplished as Asbury. Guess what happened, we didn't find someone as accomplished as Asbury either, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have canned him.
Its still always about the next guy. Firing a bad coach to hire another bad coach is just a waste of buyout money. It only hurts the program. Firing and coach and hiring a worse coach is how you get in the position that KU football is in.
If oscar starts to struggle, Currie needs not only understand the coaching market but have relations, tie ins and ect to the next guy. OSU showed last year how you perform a coaching search, from my understanding they were talking to Brad for sometime. Otherwise it is just a waste.
Mixed-Nutz, no one thinks they are going to hire a bad coach when you have to get a guy. There is no such thing as a sure thing. Two of the top three winningest programs in college basketball history have missed on "sure things" within their last two hires. You have no idea what you're going to get when you make a hire, that shouldn't stop you from evaluating what you currently have on his or her own merits. Man, you sound like someone hiring a coach for Iowa State football.
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TBH I don't really care if oscar does well and/or is fired or not. :ck:
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I think oscar just needs 6 conference wins to be safe.
yep
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Could Currie find a better coach than that?
He couldn't, but an AD that gives a crap about basketball could. A top 25 program shouldn't have to pull a fired oscar Weber out of his hat.
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I think oscar just needs 6 conference wins to be safe.
yep
I'd be willing to bet the both of you you're wrong but the only way there can be a payoff is if we win exactly 6. I already have trim on the hook from football season, either of you want to take me up? If we win six conference games, he's gone baby gone.
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Longbones :drool:
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On the "you never know if a new hire is going to succeed or not" talking point:
Be honest...did people think Huggins would be a success at KSU when first hired?
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My favorite part of the irrational oscar hate is the contrived conspiracy that currie is misleading mimd-controlling our fans into believing oscar is doing well to abvance some ulterior motive. They act as if Currie's actions to promote the bball program are outlandish and unbelievable, and intimate that he's betraying the fan base by not openly criticizing oscar's unusual mannerisms. It's hard to believe seemingly intelligent people can be that disjointed from reality.
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My favorite part of the irrational oscar hate is the contrived conspiracy that currie is misleading mimd-controlling our fans into believing oscar is doing well to abvance some ulterior motive. They act as if Currie's actions to promote the bball program are outlandish and unbelievable, and intimate that he's betraying the fan base by not openly criticizing oscar's unusual mannerisms. It's hard to believe seemingly intelligent people can be that disjointed from reality.
Interesting post, especially if true. Keep it coming.
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Exhibit A
I think it will be very difficult for oscar to keep his job if we don't make the tournament.
The scenario you then laid out doesn't seem difficult at all, especially when Currie can influence the narrative on the momentum/attendance concepts, and to date, has shown he wants to inflate them positively.
If we don't make the tournament but have considerable forward momentum then he stays and deserves to do so. The CBI or CIT isn't good enough. We'll need to see a couple of big wins and more importantly big crowds at Bramlage. I don't think Currie will have any tolerance for thousands.of empties in February.
It'd be awkward if he were to cite lack of progress and down attendance when nobody's been a bigger proponent of kstatembb success in those fields than himself. However, he could shut down an NIT berth and then cite lack of being in a "major" tournament as the dealbreaker.
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On the "you never know if a new hire is going to succeed or not" talking point:
Be honest...did people think Huggins would be a success at KSU when first hired?
Yeah, most did that was a very fun summer.
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On the "you never know if a new hire is going to succeed or not" talking point:
Be honest...did people think Huggins would be a success at KSU when first hired?
With the recruiting he was doing, I thought he was going to be great. Going to the press conference when he was hired and sitting by fatty was great.
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On the "you never know if a new hire is going to succeed or not" talking point:
Be honest...did people think Huggins would be a success at KSU when first hired?
Yeah, most did that was a very fun summer.
I immediately called about getting season tickets.
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On the "you never know if a new hire is going to succeed or not" talking point:
Be honest...did people think Huggins would be a success at KSU when first hired?
With the recruiting he was doing, I thought he was going to be great. Going to the press conference when he was hired and sitting by fatty was great.
was there anyone who didn't think he'd dominate?
i mean, rough ridin' grcoat
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Cleveland should get a pass if he's a young dude, it was a decade ago.
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Cleveland probably doesn't even know the difference between GRCOAT and SNOWCOAT.
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The coaching search/Huggins hiring/Grcoat were more :emawkid: than anything KSU had experienced in my lifetime, and we hadn't even played a game.
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Huggins was top 5 in active wins when we hired him. You can't really make a better call than that.
Hires like Miles at Nu and Groce at Illinois always had a high probability of failing. I haven't looked completely into, but how mid/low major coaches like Bread and Underwood tend to be a coin flip or less at the p5 level in terms of success probability. But that is just a quick look at surface level.
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Huggins was top 5 in active wins when we hired him. You can't really make a better call than that.
Hires like Miles at Nu and Groce at Illinois always had a high probability of failing. I haven't looked completely into, but how mid/low major coaches like Bread and Underwood tend to be a coin flip or less at the p5 level in terms of success probability. But that is just a quick look at surface level.
Honestly, one of the biggest reach hires was when we hired Martin, but it turned out well for us. It could have imploded in spectacular fashion though.
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Huggins was top 5 in active wins when we hired him. You can't really make a better call than that.
Hires like Miles at Nu and Groce at Illinois always had a high probability of failing. I haven't looked completely into, but how mid/low major coaches like Bread and Underwood tend to be a coin flip or less at the p5 level in terms of success probability. But that is just a quick look at surface level.
Honestly, one of the biggest reach hires was when we hired Martin, but it turned out well for us. It could have imploded in spectacular fashion though.
I don't know if it is fair to say. But it seems promoting from within has a solid success rate. But it only being one year, makes it kinda of weird. I do think you need to examine the momentum of the program when you do hire from within.
Martin rode the wave of change Huggins started. Sean Sutton and Pat Knight both took over programs after their peaks.
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It felt shitty to me when Frank got the job because Huggins had mumped us over and his buddy was then benefiting from it. But it was nonetheless the obvious correct move b/c of the players we'd get that could turn the whole thing around and really no risk. If it had failed spectacularly it'd just be another shitty (but interesting!) year of KSU hoops to go along with the prior decade + and we'd be in the same spot of having to get a non-Huggs tree coach.
A lot of similarities to the basis for taking a flyer on Gottlieb, post-Frank.
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On the "you never know if a new hire is going to succeed or not" talking point:
Be honest...did people think Huggins would be a success at KSU when first hired?
With the recruiting he was doing, I thought he was going to be great. Going to the press conference when he was hired and sitting by fatty was great.
was there anyone who didn't think he'd dominate?
i mean, rough ridin' grcoat
Exactly. Huggins actually did worse than I expected. But I was high on that grcoat life.
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Huggins was top 5 in active wins when we hired him. You can't really make a better call than that.
Hires like Miles at Nu and Groce at Illinois always had a high probability of failing. I haven't looked completely into, but how mid/low major coaches like Bread and Underwood tend to be a coin flip or less at the p5 level in terms of success probability. But that is just a quick look at surface level.
Honestly, one of the biggest reach hires was when we hired Martin, but it turned out well for us. It could have imploded in spectacular fashion though.
https://twitter.com/33KSU/status/186168611222720513
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Cleveland should get a pass if he's a young dude, it was a decade ago.
My question was meant as a way to assess earlier claims in the thread -- that you just never know with the next hire versus the don't fire current coach until you know the next hire is an improvement. Earlier in the thread people were arguing that you just never know, therefore let's can oscar and see what happens. Others were arguing, don't fire oscar until we know we can land something higher quality. The Huggins question is a just a more direct way, grounded in reality, to assess how strong those opinions of people are. Seems the consensus is that people viewed Huggs as an instant success (as did I). Maybe this is just an outlier, lucky case, but it suggests to me that maybe we do need to wait until we have a legitimate shot at somebody of higher quality than oscar? I hate to say that, but maybe it is true? I didn't feel strongly (other than oscar is an irritating douche) about either camp, but am prone to think at KSU we can't really know with much certainty that we are going to land a top echelon guy. I mean, if we would've really gone after Brad do you think he may have just picked Okie Lite anyways? Me thinks there is a good possibility of it.
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Cleveland should get a pass if he's a young dude, it was a decade ago.
My question was meant as a way to assess earlier claims in the thread -- that you just never know with the next hire versus the don't fire current coach until you know the next hire is an improvement. Earlier in the thread people were arguing that you just never know, therefore let's can oscar and see what happens. Others were arguing, don't fire oscar until we know we can land something higher quality. The Huggins question is a just a more direct way, grounded in reality, to assess how strong those opinions of people are. Seems the consensus is that people viewed Huggs as an instant success (as did I). Maybe this is just an outlier, lucky case, but it suggests to me that maybe we do need to wait until we have a legitimate shot at somebody of higher quality than oscar? I hate to say that, but maybe it is true? I didn't feel strongly (other than oscar is an irritating douche) about either camp, but am prone to think at KSU we can't really know with much certainty that we are going to land a top echelon guy. I mean, if we would've really gone after Brad do you think he may have just picked Okie Lite anyways? Me thinks there is a good possibility of it.
Huggins was a once or twice in a program type hire for K-State. He was a proven guy and likely a hall of fame coach who we gave a 2nd chance.
I absolutely think Brad is here now if we would've made any attempt to get him. I don't think he is some type of sure thing hire, but I think his chances of being good are high.
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Cleveland should get a pass if he's a young dude, it was a decade ago.
My question was meant as a way to assess earlier claims in the thread -- that you just never know with the next hire versus the don't fire current coach until you know the next hire is an improvement. Earlier in the thread people were arguing that you just never know, therefore let's can oscar and see what happens. Others were arguing, don't fire oscar until we know we can land something higher quality. The Huggins question is a just a more direct way, grounded in reality, to assess how strong those opinions of people are. Seems the consensus is that people viewed Huggs as an instant success (as did I). Maybe this is just an outlier, lucky case, but it suggests to me that maybe we do need to wait until we have a legitimate shot at somebody of higher quality than oscar? I hate to say that, but maybe it is true? I didn't feel strongly (other than oscar is an irritating douche) about either camp, but am prone to think at KSU we can't really know with much certainty that we are going to land a top echelon guy. I mean, if we would've really gone after Brad do you think he may have just picked Okie Lite anyways? Me thinks there is a good possibility of it.
Huggins was a once or twice in a program type hire for K-State. He was a proven guy and likely a hall of fame coach who we gave a 2nd chance.
I absolutely think Brad is here now if we would've made any attempt to get him. I don't think he is some type of sure thing hire, but I think his chances of being good are high.
Also it was absolutely known by everyone that Huggins was bringing in an amazing class. It was no secret that he was recruiting without NCAA restrictions. Actually, it was an upset that the class wasn't better than it turned out to be.
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I'm not trim, but for me personally, I mock currie for hiring him and giving him the job in the first place. so in that sense, every day that goes by in which oscar is still the coach is a day that I will continue to mock currie.
Absolutely.
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This isn't hard.
Currie ran Frank off without an improved upgrade in place. That alone should be a fireable offense.
Currie has stuck by a guy that has lost more league games in every season he's been here.
Why settle for 9th place when 1st place is available?
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This truth, for me? This still makes me :frown:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fold.post-gazette.com%2Fimages4%2F20070406wAPhuggins_450.jpg&hash=5ce3a76994719d3522a2cbfbc9d1abc4025c1888)
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Also, I'm fine with so called "reach" hires versus hiring someone for being a proven failure.
Has anyone found an example of a P5 coach who was canned for being a loser who went on to have success somewhere else? Seems like all the good second chance stories are because of recruiting, academics, or rough ridin' a cheerleader.
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Steve Alford is pretty close
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I see your point, I'm not quite sure it's exact, as you yield. I'm ignorant here, but did he leave Iowa before being fired; more of a Frank Haith leaving Mizzou because he knew his firing would happen sooner rather than later so just quit now?
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McNeck is doing well at Creighton and will probably get another shot at a P5 at some point.
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McNeck is doing well at Creighton and will probably get another shot at a P5 at some point.
Not fired for being a loser.
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Also, I'm fine with so called "reach" hires versus hiring someone for being a proven failure.
Has anyone found an example of a P5 coach who was canned for being a loser who went on to have success somewhere else? Seems like all the good second chance stories are because of recruiting, academics, or rough ridin' a cheerleader.
oscar Weber
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McNeck is doing well at Creighton and will probably get another shot at a P5 at some point.
Not fired for being a loser.
Pffffttt
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It felt shitty to me when Frank got the job because Huggins had mumped us over and his buddy was then benefiting from it. But it was nonetheless the obvious correct move b/c of the players we'd get that could turn the whole thing around and really no risk. If it had failed spectacularly it'd just be another shitty (but interesting!) year of KSU hoops to go along with the prior decade + and we'd be in the same spot of having to get a non-Huggs tree coach.
A lot of similarities to the basis for taking a flyer on Gottlieb, post-Frank.
i was the opposite. do anything you had to do to keep grcoat. didn't care who our coach is or who benefitted from it.
the grcoat bbsing era was the golden age of the bloging-o-sphere and was largely fueled by stunner and fatty. they were so incredibly over the top in love with that team, the recruits, and the staff at that time. those two set the tone that we've all latched onto and carry on to this day.
fatty's dalonte hill themed roller coaster tycoon park :love:
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pretty much my life's greatest regret is not bbs'n back then
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yeah that really sucks. i'd spend my time working on a time machine or something. could make you a little extra dough on the side and you could time travel to back then and bbs.
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will report back in the handyman thread
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It felt shitty to me when Frank got the job because Huggins had mumped us over and his buddy was then benefiting from it. But it was nonetheless the obvious correct move b/c of the players we'd get that could turn the whole thing around and really no risk. If it had failed spectacularly it'd just be another shitty (but interesting!) year of KSU hoops to go along with the prior decade + and we'd be in the same spot of having to get a non-Huggs tree coach.
A lot of similarities to the basis for taking a flyer on Gottlieb, post-Frank.
i was the opposite. do anything you had to do to keep grcoat. didn't care who our coach is or who benefitted from it.
That's the same as me. I was 100% in on promoting Frank for the recruits regardless of how it was effectively allowing Huggins to run our AD after just kicking us out of bed.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27JvePHWdME
Greatest ever or greatest thing ever? I'd hire Frank 10 times over to make this happen.
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Ok here is the deal. Being a student at KSU Cats U, the things I hate about oscar are that no one and I mean no one on my floor in the dorm, Marlatt 4 has absolutely zero interest in Brucketball. Me and 3 other guys go to the games out of everyone on my floor. It's pretty rough ridin sad to see what has came out of this program since Frank. Our SOS is hot garbage and I wish we could schedule more exciting non cons like OU or OSU who both played the Wheat shockers this non con schedule. It would be fun but we can' t because we have been ripped apart and had to essentially start over within the last couple of years. I drove up for the games over thanksgiving break and the student section was 4 rows strong and they didn't check for ICAT bands which is crazy to me. I feel like if this team gathers some conference wins then we will have more purple people in the #OOD but right now the state of KSU Bball all depends on what is next in the upcoming stretch. I have faith in these players because I have seen good things from them but the mistakes made so far need to change and fast because conference play is approaching very quickly. I plan on attending every home game in the #OOD this season and supporting this year's squad but if Oscar needs to leave then so be it but I will enjoy the highs and hate the lows just like with any other team. I love goEMAW and yeah some people come here to bbs (me included) but this is how I feel and I am proud to be a student here. This team can build from the success it had last year like knocking off #1 OU and the "close" UNC game but they need to step up, make free throws and have confidence moving forward otherwise the Oscar train will derail as we have seen in the past.
#thetruth
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27JvePHWdME
Greatest ever or greatest thing ever? I'd hire Frank 10 times over to make this happen.
:love: :love:
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Ok here is the deal. Being a student at KSU Cats U, the things I hate about oscar are that no one and I mean no one on my floor in the dorm, Marlatt 4 has absolutely zero interest in Brucketball. Me and 3 other guys go to the games out of everyone on my floor. It's pretty rough ridin sad to see what has came out of this program since Frank. Our SOS is hot garbage and I wish we could schedule more exciting non cons like OU or OSU who both played the Wheat shockers this non con schedule. It would be fun but we can' t because we have been ripped apart and had to essentially start over within the last couple of years. I drove up for the games over thanksgiving break and the student section was 4 rows strong and they didn't check for ICAT bands which is crazy to me. I feel like if this team gathers some conference wins then we will have more purple people in the #OOD but right now the state of KSU Bball all depends on what is next in the upcoming stretch. I have faith in these players because I have seen good things from them but the mistakes made so far need to change and fast because conference play is approaching very quickly. I plan on attending every home game in the #OOD this season and supporting this year's squad but if Oscar needs to leave then so be it but I will enjoy the highs and hate the lows just like with any other team. I love goEMAW and yeah some people come here to bbs (me included) but this is how I feel and I am proud to be a student here. This team can build from the success it had last year like knocking off #1 OU and the "close" UNC game but they need to step up, make free throws and have confidence moving forward otherwise the Oscar train will derail as we have seen in the past.
#thetruth
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Wooly-esque
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:love:
https://twitter.com/kstatembb/status/810181285498888192
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So is #thetruth that our game is on TV today or no? I don't see it anywhere
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CBS sports network
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:love:
https://twitter.com/kstatembb/status/810181285498888192
how is there footage of sneed against Colo State in this
CGI or am I nuts
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CBS sports network
Someone got a link? Please.
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:love:
https://twitter.com/kstatembb/status/810181285498888192
how is there footage of sneed against Colo State in this
CGI or am I nuts
Pretty sure that was just a shot of him vs another green team from this year
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CBS sports network
Someone got a link? Please.
They might have a streaming app, _fan.
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Or if you guys need my Time Warner account, just let me know.
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CBS sports network
Someone got a link? Please.
They might have a streaming app, _fan.
I don't think it would matter, I don't get the channel with my cable.
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But I do, friend :cheers:
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But I do, friend :cheers:
:cheers:
...about that time warner info... (pm)
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FWIW, my mom and dad added the channel today to watch the game for only $5.99. Just cancel it Monday, guys. I did this when we played Tulane that one year at the garden.
But I do, friend :cheers:
:cheers:
...about that time warner info... (pm)
Yes sir! I'll PM you our info once Mrs Wacky gets off the phone and tells me it.
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Just PM'd you, _fan
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Just PM'd you, _fan
Thanks, I really appreciate that.
For whatever reason, CBS sports network doesn't have a Time Warner login for streaming. Darn.
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Dang. Any time. Hopefully there's a free stream.
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Frank's boys are on that channel right now. Playing at South Florida. Currently tied up at 48.
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This is dumb
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Gottlieb is on the call today! :love: No it is not!
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Just PM'd you, _fan
Thanks, I really appreciate that.
For whatever reason, CBS sports network doesn't have a Time Warner login for streaming. Darn.
Do they have Wave Broadband? I get the channel and this game on my regular tv.
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crap!
https://twitter.com/steinlaget/status/810211519250202624
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thanks gipson, lol
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crap!
https://twitter.com/steinlaget/status/810211519250202624
hot horndogs just fist pumped his try hard ass right off
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hope its just a 3 game doobie break for IM.
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Can't expect oscar to get to the tourney now w/this adversity. Extend him.
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If this makes us smaller and gives Sneed more minutes it's going to be a positive.
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I bet Maurice sits more games than Bragg. That goddamn Randolph character strikes again!
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can HotHorndogs still redshirt, gonna be a ton of minutes available next season
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can HotHorndogs still redshirt, gonna be a ton of minutes available next season
I'm sure they'll go after some shitty JUCO big with the open scholarship
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Steve Alford is pretty close
ucla CANNED HIS ASS today
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Steve Alford is pretty close
ucla CANNED HIS ASS today
And he is better for it.