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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4075 on: April 01, 2022, 11:39:36 AM »
"I GIVE THE AUCTION ABOUT A C+, THE BUYERS CAME IN LATE BUT REMEMBER THE MARKET MAKERS ARE WAITING ON THE FED TO PICK UP THE SLACK"
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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4076 on: April 01, 2022, 12:06:35 PM »
I successfully talked the lady friend out of rolling her old 401k's into a managed account with an advisor who was a friend of a friend. They were going to put her money into funds with 5% load fee's on top of a 1.5% annual fee.

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4077 on: April 01, 2022, 12:12:06 PM »
I successfully talked the lady friend out of rolling her old 401k's into a managed account with an advisor who was a friend of a friend. They were going to put her money into funds with 5% load fee's on top of a 1.5% annual fee.

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Should be illegal. Also annuities 99% of the time. Also whole life.

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« Reply #4078 on: April 01, 2022, 12:14:02 PM »
As something of an expert in timing investments poorly (maxed out retirement accounts right before COVID; bought crap tons of BTC at $60k and ETH at $4k), you can bet your behind I am not going to do anything with this new bond yield info malarkey.

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4079 on: April 05, 2022, 10:14:15 AM »
I’m working with a new grad that needs a Roth IRA.

Where should they start.
I got a guy on the other line about some white walls

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4080 on: April 05, 2022, 10:38:11 AM »
I’m working with a new grad that needs a Roth IRA.

Where should they start.
www.fidelity.com then click open Roth IRA

Deposit money into it

Invest the money


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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4081 on: April 05, 2022, 10:58:41 AM »
I’m working with a new grad that needs a Roth IRA.

Where should they start.
www.fidelity.com then click open Roth IRA

Deposit money into it

Invest the money
This and invest in an S&P index or total stock market IMO

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4082 on: April 05, 2022, 11:04:43 AM »
I’m working with a new grad that needs a Roth IRA.

Where should they start.
www.fidelity.com then click open Roth IRA

Deposit money into it

Invest the money
This and invest in an S&P index or total stock market IMO

Get automatic contributions and investments set up as well. It will be most effective if this is on autopilot.

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4083 on: April 05, 2022, 11:06:24 AM »
I’m working with a new grad that needs a Roth IRA.

Where should they start.
www.fidelity.com then click open Roth IRA

Deposit money into it

Invest the money
This and invest in an S&P index or total stock market IMO

Yeah, a monthly bank draft going into VOO is about as easy as it gets.

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« Reply #4084 on: April 05, 2022, 12:05:31 PM »
And FTR there are endless options of places to open IRAs. If they’ve already got an investment account it can likely be the same place, just make sure there are no BS fees.

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4085 on: April 05, 2022, 06:22:15 PM »
I successfully talked the lady friend out of rolling her old 401k's into a managed account with an advisor who was a friend of a friend. They were going to put her money into funds with 5% load fee's on top of a 1.5% annual fee.

 :Wha:
Should be illegal. Also annuities 99% of the time. Also whole life.
I've heard compelling arguments from both sides of whole life. I can't ever decide.
I once blew clove smoke in a guy's face that cut in front of me in the line to KJ's.

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4086 on: April 05, 2022, 06:54:31 PM »
Whole life is garbage.

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4087 on: April 05, 2022, 07:54:52 PM »
I successfully talked the lady friend out of rolling her old 401k's into a managed account with an advisor who was a friend of a friend. They were going to put her money into funds with 5% load fee's on top of a 1.5% annual fee.

 :Wha:
Should be illegal. Also annuities 99% of the time. Also whole life.
I've heard compelling arguments from both sides of whole life. I can't ever decide.
Absolute scam.

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4088 on: April 05, 2022, 08:23:06 PM »
Maybe. But I've listened to be people with considerable incomes and net worth disagree. I won't argue for either point as I don't know enough, but think I know enough to believe it's not that one sided.

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4089 on: April 05, 2022, 09:48:14 PM »
Maybe. But I've listened to be people with considerable incomes and net worth disagree. I won't argue for either point as I don't know enough, but think I know enough to believe it's not that one sided.

considerable income or net worth is lmao

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4090 on: April 05, 2022, 10:46:39 PM »
95% of people (or some other real high number) would be better off buying term life insurance and investing the difference in their 401k/IRA/Brokerage account.

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4091 on: April 06, 2022, 06:27:36 AM »
Maybe. But I've listened to be people with considerable incomes and net worth disagree. I won't argue for either point as I don't know enough, but think I know enough to believe it's not that one sided.

considerable income or net worth is lmao
I don't know what that means
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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4092 on: April 06, 2022, 06:29:43 AM »
95% of people (or some other real high number) would be better off buying term life insurance and investing the difference in their 401k/IRA/Brokerage account.
True. I think most people I'm referring to basically use it as cash to temporarily fund projects while still accruing interest to benefit themselves. Sort of like a savings account. The whole "be your own bank" thing.
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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4093 on: April 06, 2022, 06:30:11 AM »
Not as a primary investment tool.
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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4094 on: April 06, 2022, 08:36:49 AM »
considerable income or net worth is lmao
I don't know what that means

he means that observing that wealthy people have chosen that investment vehicle is not good evidence that it is a competitive investment vehicle.
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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4095 on: April 06, 2022, 09:09:17 AM »
considerable income or net worth is lmao
I don't know what that means

he means that observing that wealthy people have chosen that investment vehicle is not good evidence that it is a competitive investment vehicle.
Like I said, I won't argue either side. I could see it being good tool for some of my needs, but would never consider it as a primary wealth building investment either.

Also, mimicking people richer and smarter than I has served me well so far. 
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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4096 on: April 06, 2022, 09:12:21 AM »
In my experience, rich and smart don't correlate nearly as much as most people assume.

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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4097 on: April 06, 2022, 09:13:04 AM »
considerable income or net worth is lmao
I don't know what that means

he means that observing that wealthy people have chosen that investment vehicle is not good evidence that it is a competitive investment vehicle.
Like I said, I won't argue either side. I could see it being good tool for some of my needs, but would never consider it as a primary wealth building investment either.

Also, mimicking people richer and smarter than I has served me well so far.
I feel like this could be settled with a spreadsheet

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« Reply #4098 on: April 06, 2022, 09:34:05 AM »
In my experience, rich and smart don't correlate nearly as much as most people assume.
But some people are both
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Re: New To Investing Thread
« Reply #4099 on: April 06, 2022, 09:40:46 AM »
considerable income or net worth is lmao
I don't know what that means

he means that observing that wealthy people have chosen that investment vehicle is not good evidence that it is a competitive investment vehicle.
Like I said, I won't argue either side. I could see it being good tool for some of my needs, but would never consider it as a primary wealth building investment either.

Also, mimicking people richer and smarter than I has served me well so far.
I feel like this could be settled with a spreadsheet
It could. But it would require how it's being used.

Example, and keep in mind I absolutely might be rough ridin' up some of what I remember. But from what I was told, you can have whole life and get loans from the whole life company using your policy as the collateral. And the interest you pay, or at least a portion (?), goes back to you. So if you have $100k in your whole life policy, and you take out $50k, you pay yourself the interest on that $50k loan. All the while, your complete $100k is accruing interest at its full value. So if it's 3%, you still make $3k that year in normal interest plus whatever interest you're paying yourself for the $50k loan.

If that is true, then you're essentially using it like a "high" interest savings account. People like me often need liquidity for the short-ish term (say 6 months to 2 years), but hate leaving money in a checking or shitty savings account. So I do think there are some quality uses for whole life, assuming what I was told is somewhat accurate. To use whole life as your retirement plan, probably not a great idea.
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