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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: EMAWzifried on January 30, 2024, 06:41:07 PM
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Hoping Cats and fans give these bums the proper send off.
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I expect to blow the doors off OU tonight in front of an especially raucous student section.
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wtf N'G? So we haven't scored before the first media to in the last two games.
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God our offense sucks.
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Scoring points is kinda overrated, imo
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We suck at the core concept of the game
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Why we have N'G or McNair handle the ball 20 feet from the basket is a mystery to me. As it is, o ur five-out offense ends up spending the majority of the shot clock dribbling out front beyound the 3pt line. Ain't working.
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This is honestly kind of funny. Need some different dudes. Too bad Dick kicked out the one guy on the team who could get an easy basket or two based on sheer athleticism
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It’s those damn spies again…
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Super low BBIQ, do the Cats just stink at scoring buckets this year? Or is it just that ISU gave out all the play call signs?
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Something is very very wrong with this team
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Why we have N'G or McNair handle the ball 20 feet from the basket is a mystery to me. As it is, o ur five-out offense ends up spending the majority of the shot clock dribbling out front beyound the 3pt line. Ain't working.
Offense is putrid.
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This is honestly kind of funny. Need some different dudes. Too bad Dick kicked out the one guy on the team who could get an easy basket or two based on sheer athleticism
Kaluma is that guy
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2 field goals, 6 turnovers…
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Ames has two TOs by trying to do too much. We have six in this eyesore of a half already.
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Just when you think we can't stink more. JFC
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Call me an optimist, but I think we might just get into double digits before halftime
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We peaked against CFU.
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We were favored in this game too? Damn.. What will the apologists say?
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When you don't have primary ball handlers who can do anything without a screen and/or poop their pants every time a trap comes, this is what happens.
Perry needs to move off the ball 75% of the time and we need to take our lumps with Ames. There's just no point to it any more.
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I’m really tired of four guys watching TP dribble out the shot clock and no meaningful movement on offense.
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ok. maybe today, satan.
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When you don't have primary ball handlers who can do anything without a screen and/or poop their pants every time a trap comes, this is what happens.
Perry needs to move off the ball 75% of the time and we need to take our lumps with Ames. There's just no point to it any more.
This! Perry isn’t a point. We can’t be worse with Ames at point. Him turning the ball over fits right in with the other 30 we have a game. Let the frosh play!!!
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We peaked against CFU.
Baylor, but yeah
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I also turned this off, we're not coming back, they can prove me wrong but this team has clearly got something very wrong and hasn't done anything to address it
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When you don't have primary ball handlers who can do anything without a screen and/or poop their pants every time a trap comes, this is what happens.
Perry needs to move off the ball 75% of the time and we need to take our lumps with Ames. There's just no point to it any more.
Ames just makes too many mistakes.
This! Perry isn’t a point. We can’t be worse with Ames at point. Him turning the ball over fits right in with the other 30 we have a game. Let the frosh play!!!
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LoL. They are gonna be in bonus with 15+ to play
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Defense is a joke. Rebounding is a joke. And offense is worse than both those.
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Going to use this oppy to buy up better tickets as close as I can.
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Going to use this oppy to buy up better tickets as close as I can.
Which oppy is that exactly?
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If Perry was the 3-pt shooter he was said to be, he drains that.
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Finister with a hickey on his neck. :lol:
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Going to use this oppy to buy up better tickets as close as I can.
Which oppy is that exactly?
I imagine the want for season tickets next year may relax a little.
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Crowd still sounds decent despite being forces to watch this crime against basketball.
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Perry has stopped retreating and is attacking the rim - he HAS to do that more
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Once again this team will not give up even if it doesn't look pretty
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We know how this plays out. Every time refs huddle, Cats get effed.
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Perry has stopped retreating and is attacking the rim - he HAS to do that more
Yeah, he’s a great ft shooter too. Channeling his inner Pullen.
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Lol, Perry flopped himself into a flagrant and they didn’t even call it.
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Will be fitting if our defensive rebounding prevents a comeback
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Oof, blew our load down seven. These last couple of minutes are about the ugliest I’ve seen. Double oof.
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Cam and Kaluma are 2-for-17 (0-for-8 from 3 pt) with 6 TOs (5 from Kaluma).
Cam is worst on the team in plus/minus tonight so far at -12.
We would probably lose an exhibition game when they combine to play this poorly.
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I've never seen a player get his pocket picked as often and as easily as Cam.
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I don't know how Tang can watch turnovers over and over and over again and not go crazy. This team isn't going to make the tourney if he can't do something about it.
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:buh-bye:
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Is cam on the take?
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How bout that run to cut it to 7?
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We're getting Linton'd. :'bye cruel world: (ftp://:'bye cruel world:)
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I don't know how Tang can watch turnovers over and over and over again and not go crazy. This team isn't going to make the tourney if he can't do something about it.
This, it's so glaringly bad. I literally watched 3 minutes of the game at Houston and shut it is cause we can't help but turn the ball over. It's gross
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Good news - will will not break the all-time mark for fewest points in a game in Bramlage (41 - thanks oscar) or fewest field goals in a game at Bramlage (11 - thanks Wooly).
BUT... the lowest FG % in a game at Bramlage is still in play (23.4% - thanks Wooly). :ohno:
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The good news I suppose is the demand for Tang has cooled considerably.
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More good news - with that last bucket, Tang escapes cracking the all-time top 10 of worst offensive performances in Bramlage history.
oscar gets to keep 6 of the 10 worst, Wooly gets to keep 2 of the 10 worst and Asbury gets to keep the other 2 of the 10 worst.
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I just got a new TV for the Super Bowl and frankly I’m embarrassed for it that this was the first sporting event it displayed.
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I just got a new TV for the Super Bowl and frankly I’m embarrassed for it that this was the first sporting event it displayed.
Return it and start over
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Once again, the schedule makers did us no favors (by front loading our schedule so that we would have a fools gold perception that we don’t actually suck balls/taints) but we actually do very much suck balls and taints, in fact.
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this is the exact same team they have been all season long. nothing has changed and not much will, their ceiling will always be pretty low.
no point guard
no chemistry
of the 200 available minutes per game (5 players, 40 minutes), about 160 are going to new players
look at the roster, tang gambled and lost
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this is the exact same team they have been all season long. nothing has changed and not much will, their ceiling will always be pretty low.
no point guard
no chemistry
of the 200 available minutes per game (5 players, 40 minutes), about 160 are going to new players
look at the roster, tang gambled and lost
Losing Tomlin hurt a bunch
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of the 200 available minutes per game (5 players, 40 minutes), about 160 are going to new players
That was almost certainly true of Oklahoma, too (and, of course, of last year's Cats). Better excuse making please.
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For a minute I thought we we could be a tourney team. But unless a miraculous turnaround, no. Way too many deficiencies.
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this is the exact same team they have been all season long. nothing has changed and not much will, their ceiling will always be pretty low.
no point guard
no chemistry
of the 200 available minutes per game (5 players, 40 minutes), about 160 are going to new players
look at the roster, tang gambled and lost
I don't really understand the minutes comment or the gamble part tbh. I suppose Glover was a gamble with his injury history if that's what you meant. We lost nearly 100 minutes a game to exhausted eligibility and Dick Lint lost us another 25.
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For a minute I thought we we could be a tourney team. But unless a miraculous turnaround, no. Way too many deficiencies.
If he keeps trotting McNair out there I agree. If he plays DNG at the 5 with Art at the 4 and a three guard lineup of Perry, Carter and Finister I like our chances.
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For a minute I thought we we could be a tourney team. But unless a miraculous turnaround, no. Way too many deficiencies.
If he keeps trotting McNair out there I agree. If he plays DNG at the 5 with Art at the 4 and a three guard lineup of Perry, Carter and Finister I like our chances.
That you haven’t already disavowed any tourney ambitions is…interesting
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this is the exact same team they have been all season long. nothing has changed and not much will, their ceiling will always be pretty low.
no point guard
no chemistry
of the 200 available minutes per game (5 players, 40 minutes), about 160 are going to new players
look at the roster, tang gambled and lost
Losing Tomlin hurt a bunch
Tomlin would have been our returning leader in points, rebounds, steals, blocks and No. 2 in assists. He's tailor-made for the open-post offense we wanted to run this season.
Glover would have given us an additional ball-handler and enabled Perry to move off ball more.
We lost two of our top 6 players.
it is what it is
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For a minute I thought we we could be a tourney team. But unless a miraculous turnaround, no. Way too many deficiencies.
If he keeps trotting McNair out there I agree. If he plays DNG at the 5 with Art at the 4 and a three guard lineup of Perry, Carter and Finister I like our chances.
That you haven’t already disavowed any tourney ambitions is…interesting
We only have to go .500 the rest of the way to make it. I'm old enough to remember this team beating Baylor at home.
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Yeah this loss was the first one I’d call an upset. We’re still .500 in the best conference in the country and 2 games behind first place.
Feels like we do need a PG though.
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For a minute I thought we we could be a tourney team. But unless a miraculous turnaround, no. Way too many deficiencies.
If he keeps trotting McNair out there I agree. If he plays DNG at the 5 with Art at the 4 and a three guard lineup of Perry, Carter and Finister I like our chances.
That you haven’t already disavowed any tourney ambitions is…interesting
We only have to go .500 the rest of the way to make it. I'm old enough to remember this team beating Baylor at home.
I predict that the team will win games that surprise a lot of people
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this is the exact same team they have been all season long. nothing has changed and not much will, their ceiling will always be pretty low.
no point guard
no chemistry
of the 200 available minutes per game (5 players, 40 minutes), about 160 are going to new players
look at the roster, tang gambled and lost
I don't really understand the minutes comment or the gamble part tbh. I suppose Glover was a gamble with his injury history if that's what you meant. We lost nearly 100 minutes a game to exhausted eligibility and Dick Lint lost us another 25.
he loaded up on 2’s and gambled that having a single true PG on his roster was good enough.
tomlin and kaluma combined would have been a force but a 6’6” kaluma alone isn’t. anything could have stopped tomlin from playing, not just Lint. with no tomlin tang had to pivot to playing mcnair significantly more than he ever planned to and without taking anything away from mcnair, he’s shouldn’t be playing this many minutes imo.
everything would have to have gone right for his vision of this roster to pile up wins. losing two critical players obviously hurts any team, but as thin as we are, it hurt us more.
my comment about minutes- the lack of chemistry is real. you can’t just roll the ball out there and expect a fluid team to form. we have a lot of new minutes on the floor. not being critical and saying it’s tangs fault, it is just an issue the team is dealing with.
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Last year was magical. All our incoming players turned out better than expected and the team had chemistry.
This year, we lost our best returning player (thanks Dick) and outside of Kaluma, nobody has met expectations. What's concerning is the misses on Ames and Jones. Those two are complete busts thus far. Maybe I expected too much out of true freshman, but that's what this game has evolved into. Sadly, nobody outside Finister has developed from the players that returned.
Bottom line, I think this is the worst possible team we will ever see under Tang. We still got a shot of getting into the tourney so I'll take it.
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Good stuff 'clams, I hope we see less of McNair going forward.
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I miss watching two games and we turn into the worst team in the conference?
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RJ and Dai Dai are by no means busts. That’s crazy.
Finister is going to be a decent player
Colbert is going to be a decent player.
We are way early in the above 4 careers to expect them to be carrying the weight.
This all comes down to being unimaginably thin at point guard.
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RJ and Dai Dai are by no means busts. That’s crazy.
Finister is going to be a decent player
Colbert is going to be a decent player.
We are way early in the above 4 careers to expect them to be carrying the weight.
This all comes down to being unimaginably thin at point guard.
I'd contend Colbert and Finister are already decent players. Colbert has been in college the exact same amount of time as Cam though so not sure it's way too early on him.
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RJ and Dai Dai are by no means busts. That’s crazy.
Finister is going to be a decent player
Colbert is going to be a decent player.
We are way early in the above 4 careers to expect them to be carrying the weight.
This all comes down to being unimaginably thin at point guard.
dude you’re responding to derpathy
RJ D2 is going to be a great player(s)/robot for us
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The Perry PG experiment should be over.
Bench McNair (and give him the 10ish minutes per game he was always supposed to get) and the primary lineup is Ames, Perry, Cam, AK and DNG. Play more tempo/push the ball and take our lumps with Ames (can we really turn the ball over that much more) and get some cheap points. If we must have two bigs, play DNG in tandem with Colbert primarily with McNair truly functioning as a way to give the other two rest on the bench.
Lots of teams trotting out 3-4 guard lineups these days and it's not like McNair is a force in the rebounding/defense department, so I question how much we'll lose if his minutes are cut by 10-15 per game. With that lineup we can also more easily switch on defense.
Bonus - Ames either develops or doesn't and we have better insight as to what to do when Castillo arrives on campus next year.
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RJ and Dai Dai are by no means busts. That’s crazy.
Finister is going to be a decent player
Colbert is going to be a decent player.
We are way early in the above 4 careers to expect them to be carrying the weight.
This all comes down to being unimaginably thin at point guard.
I'd contend Colbert and Finister are already decent players. Colbert has been in college the exact same amount of time as Cam though so not sure it's way too early on him.
Not too early for "a player" but too early for Colbert. He didn't play last year and, though he has grown quite a bit the last month, he didn't get crap for PT early this season. Cam got there earlier. That happens. Some kids come ready(hoping Castillo is that), some are old school college players that hit their stride in time to play 2 solid years and then graduate. Colbert seems to be the later.
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The Perry PG experiment should be over.
Bench McNair (and give him the 10ish minutes per game he was always supposed to get) and the primary lineup is Ames, Perry, Cam, AK and DNG. Play more tempo/push the ball and take our lumps with Ames (can we really turn the ball over that much more) and get some cheap points. If we must have two bigs, play DNG in tandem with Colbert primarily with McNair truly functioning as a way to give the other two rest on the bench.
Lots of teams trotting out 3-4 guard lineups these days and it's not like McNair is a force in the rebounding/defense department, so I question how much we'll lose if his minutes are cut by 10-15 per game. With that lineup we can also more easily switch on defense.
Bonus - Ames either develops or doesn't and we have better insight as to what to do when Castillo arrives on campus next year.
I don't disagree that we should move some folks around, just to see what happens if nothing else. However, I think our current line up would be better if we just actually played the 5-wide we set up in all the time. Actually move the ball.
KU is almost always excellent for 2 reasons:
1. They get cream crop kids
2. They move the rough ridin' ball at lightspeed around the arc. We pass once, kid looks around, maybe dribbles or fakes once or twice, then they pass to a kid that is just standing in place and not moving toward the ball or basket, and we wonder why we never get open looks or good drives. KU swings the ball several passes fast as eff and the D has no hope of adjusting in time for complete coverage. We dribble around for 15 seconds before we do anything nearly every trip down. Tang isn't stupid. He is obviously doing so intentionally and that pretty much has to be to waste time within each game since he knows our ability to score is going to be far less than almost all of our opponents.
Maybe this is our adjustment. Maybe this is the best plan. If that is the case, pretty much every practice should be a hard session of defensive drills and how to stop creating turnovers.
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The Perry PG experiment should be over.
Bench McNair (and give him the 10ish minutes per game he was always supposed to get) and the primary lineup is Ames, Perry, Cam, AK and DNG. Play more tempo/push the ball and take our lumps with Ames (can we really turn the ball over that much more) and get some cheap points. If we must have two bigs, play DNG in tandem with Colbert primarily with McNair truly functioning as a way to give the other two rest on the bench.
Lots of teams trotting out 3-4 guard lineups these days and it's not like McNair is a force in the rebounding/defense department, so I question how much we'll lose if his minutes are cut by 10-15 per game. With that lineup we can also more easily switch on defense.
Bonus - Ames either develops or doesn't and we have better insight as to what to do when Castillo arrives on campus next year.
OU had a stretch in the first half where they were playing 4 guards and N'Guessan had to guard Oweh. I love David, I think he's versatile and still very underrated. That being said, having him guard someone as skilled as Oweh stretches probability.
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If you take Nowell or Johnson off last years team, are they better or worse than this years?
I want to say they’re pretty similar. Like 99% of teams are screwed without their best player This is a lost season just develop the young dudes. I think it’s an accomplishment that we even have a sliver of a shot at the tourney with this janky roster
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This is not a lost season
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This is not a lost season
Agree.
Honestly, if we can cut our turnovers to an acceptable level, we can still do quite well, imo.
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An outside perspective, but I've been impressed by the cats thus far. Definitely shouldn't be considered a lost or discarded season.
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The Perry PG experiment should be over.
Bench McNair (and give him the 10ish minutes per game he was always supposed to get) and the primary lineup is Ames, Perry, Cam, AK and DNG. Play more tempo/push the ball and take our lumps with Ames (can we really turn the ball over that much more) and get some cheap points. If we must have two bigs, play DNG in tandem with Colbert primarily with McNair truly functioning as a way to give the other two rest on the bench.
Lots of teams trotting out 3-4 guard lineups these days and it's not like McNair is a force in the rebounding/defense department, so I question how much we'll lose if his minutes are cut by 10-15 per game. With that lineup we can also more easily switch on defense.
Bonus - Ames either develops or doesn't and we have better insight as to what to do when Castillo arrives on campus next year.
I don't disagree that we should move some folks around, just to see what happens if nothing else. However, I think our current line up would be better if we just actually played the 5-wide we set up in all the time. Actually move the ball.
KU is almost always excellent for 2 reasons:
1. They get cream crop kids
2. They move the rough ridin' ball at lightspeed around the arc. We pass once, kid looks around, maybe dribbles or fakes once or twice, then they pass to a kid that is just standing in place and not moving toward the ball or basket, and we wonder why we never get open looks or good drives. KU swings the ball several passes fast as eff and the D has no hope of adjusting in time for complete coverage. We dribble around for 15 seconds before we do anything nearly every trip down. Tang isn't stupid. He is obviously doing so intentionally and that pretty much has to be to waste time within each game since he knows our ability to score is going to be far less than almost all of our opponents.
Maybe this is our adjustment. Maybe this is the best plan. If that is the case, pretty much every practice should be a hard session of defensive drills and how to stop creating turnovers.
That is a fair given, esp the turnovers.
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At least we don't suck as bad as when the Cats lost by 41 to the UMKC Kangaroos.
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What is going on with Buddy Rich? Pretty sure he didn’t see the floor last night. Hope he isn’t portalling out.
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I would venture to guess he isn't doing what Tang wants him to do in practice
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Glad you guys are still so bullish on these cats. I hope I'm wrong here, but I think they just won games against inferior competition, the one exception being when they pulled a rabbit out of their hat against Baylor. As soon as we started playing good teams it's been a crap show. We lose at Gallagher Iba and we might be staring down the barrel of a 1 win month of February
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Glad you guys are still so bullish on these cats. I hope I'm wrong here, but I think they just won games against inferior competition, the one exception being when they pulled a rabbit out of their hat against Baylor. As soon as we started playing good teams it's been a crap show. We lose at Gallagher Iba and we might be staring down the barrel of a 1 win month of February
Crazier things have happened, but that seems extremely unlikely given our play this year. Baylor isn't the only good team we have beaten this year.
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This is not a lost season
Not sure what the definition of a lost season is, but it's definitely an NIT season.
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We are currently 1-4 in Q1 games - ammo for the people who say Baylor is our only truly good win.
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I guess I'm in an early stage of grief than the rest of you because I still think we make the tourney
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I’m prob in the minority in that this team has seemed like an NIT-side bubble team all year, and especially without Tomlin and Glover. That being the case, the early expectation exceeding returns this conference season and the thought that we may actually be an NCAA team are/were gravy. Thus no reason to be real bent out of shape during the recent struggles.
Don’t get me wrong, OU loss was really bad, and we’re definitely reeling a bit.
We were probably a 70/30 NCAA/NIT team with Tomlin and Glover. Without them probably 40/60 at best and now probably really more like 30/70 or worse.
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Fire everybody and rebuild the whole team IMO
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Was just thinking today how big it would have been to hold on to Ish.
If Ish and Tomlin were both here, we would be a completely different team.
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Ish couldn't get his own shot either, not sure what that would have accomplished.
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Ish couldn't get his own shot either, not sure what that would have accomplished.
Clutch 3s when it really counted
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Ish couldn't get his own shot either, not sure what that would have accomplished.
Clutch 3s when it really counted
Setup by one Marquis Nowell. Don't have one of those anymore unfortunately.
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Ish couldn't get his own shot either, not sure what that would have accomplished.
Clutch 3s when it really counted
Setup by one Marquis Nowell. Don't have one of those anymore unfortunately.
If memory serves, he didn't need much space to create his own shot. Ball was out of his hands the second the pass got to him
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Ish couldn't get his own shot either, not sure what that would have accomplished.
Clutch 3s when it really counted
Setup by one Marquis Nowell. Don't have one of those anymore unfortunately.
If memory serves, he didn't need much space to create his own shot. Ball was out of his hands the second the pass got to him
I don't share this memory, in fact my memory was the exact opposite. I feel like I was frequently upset at how slow his shot was
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Massoud shooting/scoring highlights with the KSU Cats...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1c60131huQ
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Ish couldn't get his own shot either, not sure what that would have accomplished.
Clutch 3s when it really counted
Setup by one Marquis Nowell. Don't have one of those anymore unfortunately.
If memory serves, he didn't need much space to create his own shot. Ball was out of his hands the second the pass got to him
I don't share this memory, in fact my memory was the exact opposite. I feel like I was frequently upset at how slow his shot was
I dunno, based on that highlight vid nic posted it looked like a pretty quick release. Maybe not a hairpin trigger but he wasn't dilly dallying around