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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1325 on: October 12, 2023, 05:20:51 PM »
well, the single game interception record is 7 held by Lynn Dickey:

https://www.huskermax.com/game/1970-kansas-state-football/

I doubt Will has a combined 8 turnovers against Texas Tech Saturday.

That sent me down quite the rabbit hole.  He got drafted in the 3rd round after a senior campaign that saw him throw 7 TD's and 26 INT's!
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1326 on: October 12, 2023, 05:23:12 PM »
You gotta imagine at some point during that season they started calling him Lynnterception

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1327 on: October 12, 2023, 05:54:32 PM »
well, the single game interception record is 7 held by Lynn Dickey:

https://www.huskermax.com/game/1970-kansas-state-football/

I doubt Will has a combined 8 turnovers against Texas Tech Saturday.

That sent me down quite the rabbit hole.  He got drafted in the 3rd round after a senior campaign that saw him throw 7 TD's and 26 INT's!
i was friends with his daughters when we were all at ksu cats u together, and met lynn many times.  nice dude.


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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1328 on: October 12, 2023, 06:08:02 PM »
well, the single game interception record is 7 held by Lynn Dickey:

https://www.huskermax.com/game/1970-kansas-state-football/

I doubt Will has a combined 8 turnovers against Texas Tech Saturday.

That sent me down quite the rabbit hole.  He got drafted in the 3rd round after a senior campaign that saw him throw 7 TD's and 26 INT's!

And he had a 15 year NFL career!

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1329 on: October 12, 2023, 06:29:15 PM »
The best example of how shitty K-State football used to be is that our most decorated football player pre-Snyder was a QB that threw for 7 TDs and 26 INTS in his senior season.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1330 on: October 12, 2023, 06:30:45 PM »
Was 1970 before the advent of pass interference?  Dickey might have been playing NFL Blitz out there.
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« Reply #1331 on: October 12, 2023, 07:08:34 PM »
Was 1970 before the advent of pass interference?  Dickey might have been playing NFL Blitz out there.
Well there was an incident in Dickey's 7 interception game where one of his receivers was kicked out for knocking a ref's hat off when he thought there should have been a pass interference call

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1332 on: October 13, 2023, 09:48:13 AM »
Jonathan Beasley was benched for Adam Helm in the second half at Iowa State in 1999.  Beas wasn’t giving up his starting spot, but a change was needed in that particular game.  This was the situation last week at OSU.  Howard was struggling.  Bench him and try to save the game.  You can still go back to him the next week.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1333 on: October 13, 2023, 12:05:20 PM »
Jonathan Beasley was benched for Adam Helm in the second half at Iowa State in 1999.  Beas wasn’t giving up his starting spot, but a change was needed in that particular game.  This was the situation last week at OSU.  Howard was struggling.  Bench him and try to save the game.  You can still go back to him the next week.

At this point, if Howard can't find a rhythm in the pass game, we ought to go back to that 1999-00 Beasley offense where 75% of the plays are runs and most of the passes are aimless hail mary's down the field to soften up the defense.

I was at this ISU game and that comeback was incredible - especially the ISU fan reaction. Priceless.

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« Reply #1334 on: October 13, 2023, 01:13:11 PM »
Jonathan Beasley was benched for Adam Helm in the second half at Iowa State in 1999.  Beas wasn’t giving up his starting spot, but a change was needed in that particular game.  This was the situation last week at OSU.  Howard was struggling.  Bench him and try to save the game.  You can still go back to him the next week.

At this point, if Howard can't find a rhythm in the pass game, we ought to go back to that 1999-00 Beasley offense where 75% of the plays are runs and most of the passes are aimless hail mary's down the field to soften up the defense.

He had one bad game. It's really his first bad game since 2021*.


*you could count Bama as a bad game but that's a bit different than all the other opponents

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1335 on: October 13, 2023, 01:23:57 PM »
What is your threshold for a bad game?
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1336 on: October 13, 2023, 01:41:32 PM »
What is your threshold for a bad game?

I didn't have a specific criteria in mind but when I when I looked back at the game log the only real stinkers since 2021 were @OSU, Bama, and @OSU. So it looks like a sub-100 QBR might work?


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« Reply #1337 on: October 13, 2023, 01:56:41 PM »
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1338 on: October 13, 2023, 02:10:26 PM »
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad

You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.

Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1339 on: October 13, 2023, 02:22:50 PM »
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad

You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.

Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)

OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1340 on: October 13, 2023, 03:25:43 PM »
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad

You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.

Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)

OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html

That's fine, but the UCF defense is atrocious (43.7 ppg in Big 12 games). It's bad enough that it almost needs an asterisk next to it.

This year, Will's passer rating is 20 points below his rating last year. He's 26 attempts shy of his total volume of throws from last year, but he had 6 more passing TDs last year and three fewer INTs. His avg. per attempt is down from 8.2 to 7.1. Even with his 80-yard run last week, his avg. yards per carry is down a full yard this year (from 5.8 ypc last year to 4.7 ypc this year). His QBR this year is 69.5 - 38th in the country.

Did we feel like Will was the 38th best QB in the country during the second half of the season last year?

By all measures, Will is playing worse this year than last year. I think that's the concern - especially given that he made an enormous leap from 2020-21 to his play last year. Expecting the same level of play - or, even better play - is/was certainly not unreasonable.

And all of that doesn't even take into account the golden child now sitting on the bench. Factor that it too and it's easy to see why people are antsy.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1341 on: October 13, 2023, 03:55:47 PM »
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad

You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.

Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)

OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html
It was 28-28 at one point in the first half!

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1342 on: October 13, 2023, 04:06:28 PM »
well, the single game interception record is 7 held by Lynn Dickey:

https://www.huskermax.com/game/1970-kansas-state-football/

I doubt Will has a combined 8 turnovers against Texas Tech Saturday.

That sent me down quite the rabbit hole.  He got drafted in the 3rd round after a senior campaign that saw him throw 7 TD's and 26 INT's!

The game seemed a lot different back then lol. Even DOD1 surprising that our stud QBs were throwing around 50%.

Back to record watch, I think we will see Avery long before Will has a chance to hit 7 ints in a game

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« Reply #1343 on: October 13, 2023, 04:43:50 PM »
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad

You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.

Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)

OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html

That's fine, but the UCF defense is atrocious (43.7 ppg in Big 12 games). It's bad enough that it almost needs an asterisk next to it.

This year, Will's passer rating is 20 points below his rating last year. He's 26 attempts shy of his total volume of throws from last year, but he had 6 more passing TDs last year and three fewer INTs. His avg. per attempt is down from 8.2 to 7.1. Even with his 80-yard run last week, his avg. yards per carry is down a full yard this year (from 5.8 ypc last year to 4.7 ypc this year). His QBR this year is 69.5 - 38th in the country.

Did we feel like Will was the 38th best QB in the country during the second half of the season last year?

By all measures, Will is playing worse this year than last year. I think that's the concern - especially given that he made an enormous leap from 2020-21 to his play last year. Expecting the same level of play - or, even better play - is/was certainly not unreasonable.

And all of that doesn't even take into account the golden child now sitting on the bench. Factor that it too and it's easy to see why people are antsy.

you're totally right that he's worse statistically, but I don't think he's in "can't find his rhythm" mode because of one bad game as we mentioned. I wonder how much Deuce boosted his numbers last year, not just in raw numbers but as a threat to be accounted for.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1344 on: October 13, 2023, 04:44:42 PM »
so many people here trying to tell our quarterback whisperer how to whisper, hilarious


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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1345 on: October 13, 2023, 04:52:56 PM »
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad

You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.

Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)

OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html

Well we are using QBR in this comparison and it was 110 against UCF which is pretty bad.  It's on par with how he ended 2021.
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1346 on: October 13, 2023, 05:07:19 PM »
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad

You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.

Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)

OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html

Well we are using QBR in this comparison and it was 110 against UCF which is pretty bad.  It's on par with how he ended 2021.
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1347 on: October 13, 2023, 05:41:03 PM »
The UCF game seemed like a stinker to me but maybe it wasn't that bad

You can call it bad but he had 250 yards passing, 64% completion, and we scored 44 points.

Plus, it was the most yards of total offense we've had against a conference opponent since at least 2011. (I stopped looking at 2011)

OK, I kept looking and the 536 yards of offense were the most against a conference opponent since 2008 when we had 550 yards in a 58-35 loss to OU. (the score was 55-28 at halftime lol)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-25-kansas-state.html
It was 28-28 at one point in the first half!
We'll always have 28-28
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1348 on: October 14, 2023, 07:42:39 AM »
i think tonight will tell us all a lot about “manhattan mahomes”

hopefully he bounces back and shows lubbock what a real mahomes looks like


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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #1349 on: October 14, 2023, 01:14:43 PM »
I hope you're right, clams.  The CKs are still on his side and so am I.  :Woot:
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