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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 01, 2016, 08:20:30 PM
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When Carrier announced it was closing its operations in Indiana and relocating over 1000 jobs to Mexico, Donald Trump promised it would not happen if he were elected.
President Obama, cementing his legacy as both a massive weakling and condescending prick, openly mocked Trump for this promise.
When somebody says, like the person you just mentioned who I’m not going to advertise for, that he’s going to bring all these jobs back, well how exactly are you going to do that? What are you going to do? There’s — there’s no answer to it. He just says, “Well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal.” Well, how — what — how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually, the answer is he doesn’t have an answer.
Turns out Trump did have an answer.
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Yep, 7 million answers.
Who will be next to demand that we subsidise their labor or will move?
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They had already been offered that before 45 got involved and they passed. :lol:
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Fretting over $7 million not going to the mother teat.
#liblogic
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Yep, 7 million answers.
Who will be next to demand that we subsidise their labor or will move?
It's always telling when someone says that allowing a company to keep more of the money they earn is a "subsidy".
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KSUW, you're aware they're still cutting over 1000 jobs right?
He's peacocking his ass off over this meanwhile those people are still losing their jobs. The federal government just gave a company cash to lay Americans off, this is in no way a win.
Meanwhile, this jackass is taking a victory lap on this but his products are still being manufactured everywhere else but here.
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KSUW, you're aware they're still cutting over 1000 jobs right?
He's peacocking his ass off over this meanwhile those people are still losing their jobs. The federal government just gave a company cash to lay Americans off, this is in no way a win.
Meanwhile, this jackass is taking a victory lap on this but his products are still being manufactured everywhere else but here.
:lol:
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feels like something illegal is probably happening. trump getting kickbacks on the kickbacks
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'Tards this isn't complicated, carrier says we out, Indiana says how bout we return some of your money cuz we want you to stay more than we like the money you gave us, carrier says naw, Trump says it will be better for you if you keep 1100 jobs here, carrier says ok. Pubs say cool, libs say it's really bad what he did there and America still isn't great so what are you even doing?
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[redacted], are you missing that they are cutting more jobs than they would have if they closed this plant and moved to Monterrey?
I know you trump people are all about trolling, but I really don't know how objectively you can be all about jobs and the USofA and celebrate this. It is the height of the little guy losing out to corporate greed. But yeah dude keep partying and laughing at the libs, I'm sure the 1100 Carrier workers who just lost their jobs so that corporate can keep some government contracts are laughing too.
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I understand your skepticism, but let's just see what happens I think you'll like it.
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Celebrate good times, come on
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/carrier-gets-tax-breaks-but-it-s-still-sending-jobs/article_d2f958e5-1eaf-5401-93b1-c6b0990acab2.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/30/hundreds-could-still-lose-jobs-at-carriers-indianapolis-plant-despite-trump-deal.html
:party:
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I think you are assuming pubs think this is a big deal, we don't, we also don't think it's bad.
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I think you are assuming pubs think this is a big deal, we don't, we also don't think it's bad.
I mean did you see the first post in the thread? You miss the president elect on his victory tour today?
I was really happy when I heard about the deal, but incredibly pissed when I heard the details. I'm gonna be honest, I really don't care about these jobs, I don't know those people; the 800-1300 jobs are a drop in the bucket of lost jobs and jobs that will continue to leave. What pisses me off is our government getting bent by corporate greed and we're acting like we won something. I'm also angry with President Trump's hypocrisy.
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Theres nothing wrong with businesses acting in their interests, Trump plans to align the people's interests with what is best for companies through effective tax and trade policy, trust me you are gonna like it.
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I never learned anything about it, but feel like I am completely justified in believing the whole thing is a con regardless of the details.
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If you guys took this to the melting pit, nobody would argue with you or troll you :cheers:
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Not really into politics, but MIR can't be right that supporters of a political party would call an event either a win or loss based on whether their candidate was responsible for it. I mean, surely they are each researching the long term economic consequences of these decisions before voicing their opinions, right?
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Theres nothing wrong with businesses acting in their interests, Trump plans to align the people's interests with what is best for companies through effective tax and trade policy, trust me you are gonna like it.
I wish more businesses had a sense of social responsibility. Keeping those jobs in Indiana was by no means going to break United Technologies. I don't know what the tipping point was but it started to be acceptable practice to just dump a few jobs here and there for a couple of million dollars on top of the pre-existing hundreds of million and billions. Trump isn't going to shame and bully corporations into keeping jobs here, there needs to be a culture change. He can provide a great starting example by moving the manufacture of his goods back here.
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I never learned anything about it, but feel like I am completely justified in believing the whole thing is a con regardless of the details.
textbook occam's razor
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Theres nothing wrong with businesses acting in their interests, Trump plans to align the people's interests with what is best for companies through effective tax and trade policy, trust me you are gonna like it.
I wish more businesses had a sense of social responsibility. Keeping those jobs in Indiana was by no means going to break United Technologies. I don't know what the tipping point was but it started to be acceptable practice to just dump a few jobs here and there for a couple of million dollars on top of the pre-existing hundreds of million and billions. Trump isn't going to shame and bully corporations into keeping jobs here, there needs to be a culture change. He can provide a great starting example by moving the manufacture of his goods back here.
Businesses have one responsibility and that is to earn roi, now if a business decides an investment in something that represents "social whatever" to you would return increased profits for them then they will probably do it. The idea of them having a responsibility to do so is :lol:
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MIR's meltdown is hilarious. At least no racial slurs yet.
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Theres nothing wrong with businesses acting in their interests, Trump plans to align the people's interests with what is best for companies through effective tax and trade policy, trust me you are gonna like it.
I wish more businesses had a sense of social responsibility. Keeping those jobs in Indiana was by no means going to break United Technologies. I don't know what the tipping point was but it started to be acceptable practice to just dump a few jobs here and there for a couple of million dollars on top of the pre-existing hundreds of million and billions. Trump isn't going to shame and bully corporations into keeping jobs here, there needs to be a culture change. He can provide a great starting example by moving the manufacture of his goods back here.
Businesses have one responsibility and that is to earn roi, now if a business decides an investment in something that represents "social whatever" to you would return increased profits for them then they will probably do it. The idea of them having a responsibility to do so is :lol:
This is the rub. Small businesses can have the luxury of social responsibility, but when you're talking big business with shareholders, you're either going to get fired or sued if you fail to act in the best financial interest of the company at pretty much all times. That's the system we have now, which means the only real way for government to affect a business's decisions is by affecting the economic impact of them (either offer them financial incentives to do something or penalties if they don't).
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https://www.raygunsite.com/blogs/news/breaking-news-raygun-is-moving-to-mexico-or-canada-or-crap-maybe-just-colorado-really-well-move-wherever-were-paid-the-most
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Threaten to move jobs, get paid $7 mil, still move most of the jobs. This sets a good precedent.
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https://www.raygunsite.com/blogs/news/breaking-news-raygun-is-moving-to-mexico-or-canada-or-crap-maybe-just-colorado-really-well-move-wherever-were-paid-the-most
The owner of Raygun needs to study up on negotiating. Like, if you really want to keep more of your hard-earned money, don't publicly admit at the outset that you're only threatening to move to make a political statement.
May I suggest this book?
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Oh and I'd love to see this titan of industry actually move his t-shirt printing operation and four t-shirt stores to Mexico. That would be a funny documentary.
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Actually, I like to play the game of if Obama made the deal of paying Carrier $7 mill, and 1000-1300 jobs still left to Mexico how bad dax would talk about what a waste of money that was, and k-s-u talking what a weakling obbummerz is for caving into the corporations, what a libtard. The only person with any integrity of position would be gato talking about how businesses don't need to do jack for society and it's all about roi. At least that's typical top down economic talk I can weed through the bullshit with.
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Actually, I like to play the game of if Obama made the deal of paying Carrier $7 mill, and 1000-1300 jobs still left to Mexico how bad dax would talk about what a waste of money that was, and k-s-u talking what a weakling obbummerz is for caving into the corporations, what a libtard. The only person with any integrity of position would be gato talking about how businesses don't need to do jack for society and it's all about roi. At least that's typical top down economic talk I can weed through the bullshit with.
Lol. The only thing I've made fun of is the crony capitalism that flushed billions in taxpayer dollars into companies that went bankrupt.
But leave it to the Prog-Libs to try and compare a $7million dollar tax break that saved 1,067 $30 dollar plus an hour jobs into that same paradigm as billions in political supporters failed companies. FFS, most of those Carrier union thugs hated Trump.
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Actually, I like to play the game of if Obama made the deal of paying Carrier $7 mill, and 1000-1300 jobs still left to Mexico how bad dax would talk about what a waste of money that was, and k-s-u talking what a weakling obbummerz is for caving into the corporations, what a libtard. The only person with any integrity of position would be gato talking about how businesses don't need to do jack for society and it's all about roi. At least that's typical top down economic talk I can weed through the bullshit with.
Lol. The only thing I've made fun of is the crony capitalism that flushed billions in taxpayer dollars into companies that went bankrupt.
But leave it to the Prog-Libs to try and compare a $7million dollar tax break that saved 1,067 $30 dollar plus an hour jobs into that seem paradigm as billions in political supporters failed companies. FFS, most of those Carrier union thugs hated Drumpf.
Lol the name caller thinks I'm a prog lib. That's adorable dax, keep on daxing :thumbs:
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Actually, I like to play the game of if Obama made the deal of paying Carrier $7 mill, and 1000-1300 jobs still left to Mexico how bad dax would talk about what a waste of money that was, and k-s-u talking what a weakling obbummerz is for caving into the corporations, what a libtard. The only person with any integrity of position would be gato talking about how businesses don't need to do jack for society and it's all about roi. At least that's typical top down economic talk I can weed through the bullshit with.
Lol. The only thing I've made fun of is the crony capitalism that flushed billions in taxpayer dollars into companies that went bankrupt.
But leave it to the Prog-Libs to try and compare a $7million dollar tax break that saved 1,067 $30 dollar plus an hour jobs into that seem paradigm as billions in political supporters failed companies. FFS, most of those Carrier union thugs hated Drumpf.
Lol the name caller thinks I'm a prog lib. That's adorable dax, keep on daxing :thumbs:
Prog-Lib is "name calling". Fascinating
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Everyone knows that businesses will move for the right tax incentive. trump acting like he won something makes him look just dumb.
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Everyone knows that businesses will move for the right tax incentive. trump acting like he won something makes him look just dumb.
Well hell then every proclamation, press release and news conference by every politician ever when a company moves, expands etc within their purview is dumb then.
#goodnewssucks
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I wish Carrier would have moved all the jobs: Resident Prog Libs
#badnewsisgood
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MIR's meltdown is hilarious. At least no racial slurs yet.
It heartens me knowing you're the only dipshit willing to troll this and act like this is some kind of victory. Looking at your post that started this thread is safe to assume you had no idea the details of the deal before you came in here beating your chest like an illiterate Tarzan, but now you don't want to walk it back. You don't want to look like a fool, I get it, unfortunately for you the genie is way out of the bottle on that one.
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Mods please move MIR's posts to the lib meltdown thread.
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Everyone knows that businesses will move for the right tax incentive. trump acting like he won something makes him look just dumb.
Well hell then every proclamation, press release and news conference by every politician ever when a company moves, expands etc within their purview is dumb then.
#goodnewssucks
I mean, if you don't want to differentiate between the degree of lying that Trump engages in and that of other politicians, that's certainly a thing you could choose to do. And if you didn't during the campaign, why start now?
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Everyone knows that businesses will move for the right tax incentive. trump acting like he won something makes him look just dumb.
Well hell then every proclamation, press release and news conference by every politician ever when a company moves, expands etc within their purview is dumb then.
#goodnewssucks
I mean, if you don't want to differentiate between the degree of lying that Trump engages in and that of other politicians, that's certainly a thing you could choose to do. And if you didn't during the campaign, why start now?
WTF does that even mean in the context of this topic?
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I wish Carrier would have moved all the jobs: Resident Prog Libs
#badnewsisgood
Oops, nevermind KSUW I was wrong. Dax's one true chance to show he's the moderate he claims to be but he goes lockstep into partisan stooge mode given the first opportunity. I'm sure stunted will join you guys when he eventually wakes up from sleeping off the 72 hour call of duty binge session.
I can't wait to see how we get the prog lib tie/excuse for Mad Dog Mattis and the merry band of warmongers trump has assembled for his security team.
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I wish Carrier would have moved all the jobs: Resident Prog Libs
#badnewsisgood
Oops, nevermind KSUW I was wrong. Dax's one true chance to show he's the moderate he claims to be but he goes lockstep into partisan stooge mode given the first opportunity. I'm sure stunted will join you guys when he eventually wakes up from sleeping off the 72 hour call of duty binge session.
I can't wait to see how we get the prog lib tie/excuse for Mad Dog Mattis and the merry band of warmongers trump has assembled for his security team.
All I said was 1067 jobs are not going to Mexico. While yes, some are going to Mexico. Everything I've read (in sources that are hardly DJT fans) said that originally all 1067 (or so) jobs that are staying were originally scheduled to be shipped off. (I guess the happy people who were told they were losing their job, but now aren't, we're all paid off #conspiracy).
I'd also note again that the Union thugs hammered DJT pretty good in the election cycle. Now they sing his praises, I guess they got bought off as well #shrug. (Doubtful HRC War Pig lifts a finger for them if the roles were reversed, she's a globalist after all).
Everything I've read on Mattis is that he's very wary of wars of intervention and regime change.
Nice meltdown tho
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:ROFL:
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:ROFL:
#tapout
As expected.
#sad
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Everyone knows that businesses will move for the right tax incentive. trump acting like he won something makes him look just dumb.
Obama does not know this. He believes Trump used a magic wand.
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Oh dear
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So, others don't have to google like I did.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/carrier-factory-layoffs-indianapolis-factory-trump-touted/
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Congrats guys. Fives all around for people losing their jobs.
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Congrats guys. Fives all around for people losing their jobs.
Your job saving president did this wouldn't happen....
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I don’t think anyone here is super happy about it. Just the non-Trumpers have had a longer time to process it because they’re not gullible rubes.
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I understand your skepticism, but let's just see what happens I think you'll like it.
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Clearly, Trump shouldn’t try to save jobs. And if he does, you can bet your ass we’re gonna take a lap if he fails!
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Clearly, Trump shouldn’t try to save jobs. And if he does, you can bet your ass we’re gonna take a lap if he fails!
His mindless followers took his stunt hook line and sinker....he is a great con man...don't feel bad.
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he's a brilliant con man, of that there is no doubt
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Good lord you need help if you still believe a word he says. Holy fuk
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I feel like this is #fakenews because there aren’t any facts to back it up
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holy crap, KSU-W still doesn't know where jobs come from
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It's OK ksw Donald Trump has fooled lots of people as smart and successful as you are
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