Author Topic: This team... (Read 19407 times)

EllRobersonisInnocent · « **Reply #125 on:** March 02, 2015, 02:40:20 PM »

This team would make a F4 run in the NIT. Do I really need to explain to you idiots why that's better than losing first round as a 13 seed?

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #126 on:** March 02, 2015, 02:57:24 PM »

Quote from: EllRobersonisInnocent on March 02, 2015, 02:40:20 PM

This team would make a F4 run in the NIT. Do I really need to explain to you idiots why that's better than losing first round as a 13 seed?

that's not what he's saying, I don't think.

the way I see it (and what I thought he was saying), is this team is similar other elite programs that play uninspired in the NIT and get worked, but if they can slip into the tourney when the lights are brightest, they can play more focused and make a run. And that's exactly where I see this team (minus the neutral court/away record which is lol)

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #127 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:00:13 PM »

Quote from: Shooter Jones on March 02, 2015, 02:57:24 PM

Quote from: EllRobersonisInnocent on March 02, 2015, 02:40:20 PM
This team would make a F4 run in the NIT. Do I really need to explain to you idiots why that's better than losing first round as a 13 seed?

that's not what he's saying, I don't think.

the way I see it (and what I thought he was saying), is this team is similar other elite programs that play uninspired in the NIT and get worked, but if they can slip into the tourney when the lights are brightest, they can play more focused and make a run. And that's exactly where I see this team (minus the neutral court/away record which is lol)

You missed ERII's troll job last year. "He'd rather win the NIT than lose early in the dance".

EllRobersonisInnocent · « **Reply #128 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:06:22 PM »

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #129 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:07:28 PM »

The NCAA tourney is the only one that matters. I wouldn't even care if K-State turned down an NIT bid.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #130 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:07:38 PM »

The tangible route to the NCAAs without winning the Big 12 tournament.

Win at Texas. That likely makes the Cats the 6 seed in the Big 12s.

Then they would have to go through 2 of OU/BU/ISU to make the title game, which would mean 2 more Top 50 and Top 25 wins.

So with a loss in the title game, K-State would finish 18-16, but would have at least 9 wins over RPI top 50 teams and 7 over RPI Top 25 teams. Even with that record, it would be tough for the committee to leave them out.

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #131 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:07:47 PM »

well that's just silly, @ERII.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #132 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:08:32 PM »

Quote from: EllRobersonisInnocent on March 02, 2015, 02:40:20 PM

This team would make a F4 run in the NIT. Do I really need to explain to you idiots why that's better than losing first round as a 13 seed?

you have to define better

the 13 seed is better for oscar and i think it's better for a oscar led basketball program to be able to say he has never missed the tournament at KSU

The NIT run is better for the kind of fans that only watch the cats and don't see a failure of a season being saved by a couple of pretty meaningless wins. Also cheap ass townies can go to the home games and/or sit in much better seats.

steve dave · « **Reply #133 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:09:18 PM »

Quote from: EllRobersonisInnocent on March 02, 2015, 02:40:20 PM

This team would make a F4 run in the NIT. Do I really need to explain to you idiots why that's better than losing first round as a 13 seed?

I'd be curious to know your thinking behind this because I think it's, like, opposite day thinking

TownieCat · « **Reply #134 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:11:28 PM »

As a rule of thumb, I always take whatever ERiI says/does/believes and then say/do/believe the exact opposite. In this case I firmly believe it is better to lose in the 1st round of the NCAAs than to win the NIT.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #135 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:13:10 PM »

Quote from: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 03:11:28 PM

In this case I firmly believe it is better to lose in the 1st round of the NCAAs than to win the NIT.

I think this is true (and should be) for like 98.7% of college basketball fans.

pvegs · « **Reply #136 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:18:01 PM »

We are receiving votes in the Coaches Poll. Additional "this team" evidence.

I have luked myself. Apologies.

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #137 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:19:04 PM »

it would be so oscar to win a couple NCAA tourney games if we finagle our way in.

pvegs · « **Reply #138 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:23:23 PM »

Quote from: Shooter Jones on March 02, 2015, 03:19:04 PM

it would be so oscar to win a couple NCAA tourney games if we finagle our way in.

24-16 (possibly 25-16) NCAA champs. We would need to make t-shirts and stuff.

TownieCat · « **Reply #139 on:** March 02, 2015, 03:26:24 PM »

Quote from: Shooter Jones on March 02, 2015, 03:19:04 PM

it would be so oscar to win a couple NCAA tourney games if we finagle our way in.

That would be the Bruciest thing possible.

Unruly · « **Reply #140 on:** March 02, 2015, 04:03:12 PM »

Quote from: pvegs on March 02, 2015, 03:23:23 PM

Quote from: Shooter Jones on March 02, 2015, 03:19:04 PM
it would be so oscar to win a couple NCAA tourney games if we finagle our way in.

24-16 (possibly 25-16) NCAA champs. We would need to make t-shirts and stuff.

We would need to make entire Tshirt factories.

Bqqkie Pimp · « **Reply #141 on:** March 02, 2015, 04:19:21 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 02, 2015, 03:07:38 PM

The tangible route to the NCAAs without winning the Big 12 tournament.

Win at Texas. That likely makes the Cats the 6 seed in the Big 12s.

Then they would have to go through 2 of OU/BU/ISU to make the title game, which would mean 2 more Top 50 and Top 25 wins.

So with a loss in the title game, K-State would finish 18-16, but would have at least 9 wins over RPI top 50 teams and 7 over RPI Top 25 teams. Even with that record, it would be tough for the committee to leave them out.

I think we are basically a lock with the above scenario...

With that said, I also think we'd get very serious consideration and might possibly get in with a win at Texas and a win in the quarterfinals of the BigXII tourney. That puts us at 17-16 with a crap ton of RPI Top 25/50 wins.

Have to beat UT or it's all a moot point anyway.

Mikeyis4dcats · « **Reply #142 on:** March 02, 2015, 04:29:55 PM »

Quote from: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 01:57:23 PM

Quote from: Mikeyis4dcats on March 02, 2015, 11:39:15 AM
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Kansas & Kansas State are the only 2 teams in college basketball with 5 wins against teams in the top 50.

Not sure where you got that, but it's not even close to being correct.

from a former sportscaster/sports fanatic buddy of mine.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #143 on:** March 02, 2015, 04:30:45 PM »

Quote from: Mikeyis4dcats on March 02, 2015, 04:29:55 PM

Quote from: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: Mikeyis4dcats on March 02, 2015, 11:39:15 AM
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Kansas & Kansas State are the only 2 teams in college basketball with 5 wins against teams in the top 50.

Not sure where you got that, but it's not even close to being correct.

from a former sportscaster/sports fanatic buddy of mine.

I think he meant top 25 wins.

Mikeyis4dcats · « **Reply #144 on:** March 02, 2015, 04:35:02 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 02, 2015, 04:30:45 PM

Quote from: Mikeyis4dcats on March 02, 2015, 04:29:55 PM
Quote from: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: Mikeyis4dcats on March 02, 2015, 11:39:15 AM
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Kansas & Kansas State are the only 2 teams in college basketball with 5 wins against teams in the top 50.

Not sure where you got that, but it's not even close to being correct.

from a former sportscaster/sports fanatic buddy of mine.

I think he meant top 25 wins.

must be, I check the RPI charts and yeah, TONS of teams have 5 wins against Top 50 RPI teams.

TownieCat · « **Reply #145 on:** March 02, 2015, 04:39:16 PM »

Granted that these numbers change daily, but at the moment Villanova and KU have 6 top 25 RPI wins, and K-State, Baylor and UK each have 5.

Trim · « **Reply #146 on:** March 02, 2015, 05:17:55 PM »

I hope the 'cats squeak in to the tournament and get shipped to seattle and pvegs and I can pay like $10 each to lol at the game live. Probably need to sneak in booze and a chat machine though.

mocat · « **Reply #147 on:** March 02, 2015, 05:54:10 PM »

Quote from: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 04:39:16 PM

Granted that these numbers change daily, but at the moment Villanova and KU have 6 top 25 RPI wins, and K-State, Baylor and UK each have 5.

Check top 20 rpi

MakeItRain · « **Reply #148 on:** March 02, 2015, 06:21:33 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 02, 2015, 03:13:10 PM

Quote from: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 03:11:28 PM
In this case I firmly believe it is better to lose in the 1st round of the NCAAs than to win the NIT.

I think this is true (and should be) for like 98.7% of college basketball fans.

The actual first round, in Dayton? Not sure if I agree, it certainly merits a discussion. I mean losing on a Tuesday night on TruTV isn't something you should be snooty about.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #149 on:** March 02, 2015, 06:23:31 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on March 02, 2015, 06:21:33 PM

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 02, 2015, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: TownieCat on March 02, 2015, 03:11:28 PM
In this case I firmly believe it is better to lose in the 1st round of the NCAAs than to win the NIT.

I think this is true (and should be) for like 98.7% of college basketball fans.

The actual first round, in Dayton? Not sure if I agree, it certainly merits a discussion. I mean losing on a Tuesday night on TruTV isn't something you should be snooty about.

Yeah, I would probably exclude play-in 12s or 11s.