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« Reply #32225 on: August 26, 2021, 03:17:36 PM »
I'm happy about this, I think a revamped Big 12 is going to be a fun conference that will be immensely winable and whenever a new playoff format starts it will be much easier to get in as a top 3 program in the Big 12 than a top 6 programs in the Pac 12. Would visits to Tempe be better than Memphis, hell yes. Would dealing with UCLA fans be much better than dealing with UCF fuckheads, yes! But the Big 12 is our conference and I don't want to move.

from a fan perspective, in terms of matchups and short-term competitiveness, i almost agree. but the bigger picture financial implications of being stuck a downgraded B12 are potentially devastating to the university.
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« Reply #32226 on: August 26, 2021, 03:27:49 PM »


I'm happy about this, I think a revamped Big 12 is going to be a fun conference that will be immensely winable and whenever a new playoff format starts it will be much easier to get in as a top 3 program in the Big 12 than a top 6 programs in the Pac 12. Would visits to Tempe be better than Memphis, hell yes. Would dealing with UCLA fans be much better than dealing with UCF fuckheads, yes! But the Big 12 is our conference and I don't want to move.

from a fan perspective, in terms of matchups and short-term competitiveness, i almost agree. but the bigger picture financial implications of being stuck a downgraded B12 are potentially devastating to the university.

Why? You think it will hurt us with all those out of state students we pull in every year?

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« Reply #32227 on: August 26, 2021, 03:29:04 PM »
https://twitter.com/pac12/status/1430966984393457664?s=20

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I'm happy about this, I think a revamped Big 12 is going to be a fun conference that will be immensely winable and whenever a new playoff format starts it will be much easier to get in as a top 3 program in the Big 12 than a top 6 programs in the Pac 12. Would visits to Tempe be better than Memphis, hell yes. Would dealing with UCLA fans be much better than dealing with UCF fuckheads, yes! But the Big 12 is our conference and I don't want to move.

Completely agree. If they can string some extra money together by adding some schools, I'm good with being in a conference they can actually compete in.

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« Reply #32228 on: August 26, 2021, 03:39:59 PM »
"At this time"

I'm going to continue to hang on to a sliver of hope that Fox will save us with Operation Wannstedt.
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« Reply #32229 on: August 26, 2021, 03:41:47 PM »
Why? You think it will hurt us with all those out of state students we pull in every year?
no, because of whatever paltry sum we would get from the new media deal. b12 media money has been propping up our athletic dept budget. athletic budget is part of university budget. naturally something will have to give, and consequences aren't limited to athletics.

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« Reply #32230 on: August 26, 2021, 03:48:16 PM »
Anyone pretending a watered down Big 12 is as cool or fun as being with West Coast elites in the Pak-18 can go suck an egg. This bites and everyone knows it.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #32231 on: August 26, 2021, 03:50:53 PM »
Anyone pretending a watered down Big 12 is as cool or fun as being with West Coast elites in the Pak-18 can go suck an egg. This bites and everyone knows it.
The goal is to stay and/or preserve a P5 status at this point. This is many of the remaining members only options moving forward to do so. Expand already!
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #32232 on: August 26, 2021, 03:54:19 PM »
Anyone pretending a watered down Big 12 is as cool or fun as being with West Coast elites in the Pak-18 can go suck an egg. This bites and everyone knows it.

No reason we can't eventually have both.  Add rabid fan schools that are adequate to keep the big 12 relevant and from a stronger position pitch the pac 12 on merger or some relationship that benefits everyone.

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« Reply #32233 on: August 26, 2021, 04:02:19 PM »
I want roadies in Autzen and other stades where they have a big old roof because the PNW is so rainy. Instead we're eventually going to get roadies in the fuggin' Liberty Bowl :barf:
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« Reply #32234 on: August 26, 2021, 04:05:16 PM »
Anyone pretending a watered down Big 12 is as cool or fun as being with West Coast elites in the Pak-18 can go suck an egg. This bites and everyone knows it.

It bites for sure, but I don't know how anyone thought they were really going to add us.

I do think a watered down version of the B12 with Cincinnati, CF, Memphis, and Houston would be fun though.  :dunno:

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« Reply #32235 on: August 26, 2021, 04:15:23 PM »
b12 remnants have no choice but to be aggressive about expansion, but that all still hinges on when OU/UT actually leave and/or what comes of the buyout. and yeah, the competition in whatever the league morphs into will no doubt be diluted compared to the other remaining P5's, which might allow us to be more competitive in the short term. but it's not like it's an outcome we should be celebrating.

on a lighter note, Phog is apparently convinced KU is against expansion because of that imminent big 10 deal that was supposed to materialize like two weeks ago or whatever, and they still have the SEC as a backup plan , but would really prefer not to slum it up with all of those inferior schools. i wonder when reality finally sets in for them. probably when big 12 gets serious about expansion and it becomes clear everyone's in the same boat.

reading their musings (i.e total misunderstanding) of the whole AAU thing and what the BTAA actually does, and them running through the mental gymnastics of KU being such a coveted target despite the status of their football program, has been the silver lining of this whole debacle.

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« Reply #32236 on: August 26, 2021, 05:17:32 PM »
Check out my WaAaVY table.  In summary, a revamped Big 12 would be better than PAC and ACC.


ACC 2020         Pac 2020         Big 12+ 2020   
Team   SP+      Team   SP+      Team   SP+
Clemson   3      USC   13      BYU   7
UNC    12      Oregon   17      Cincy   8
Miami   20      Oregon St   78      ISU   11
VT   27      Washington   19      OSU   23
UL   35      Wash St.   64      UCF   29
Pitt   41      Stanford   60      TCU   37
NC St.    54      Cal   81      WVU   38
UVA   55      UCLA   46      Memphis   49
Ga Tech   75      Arizona   98      Baylor   63
BC   79      Arizona St   21      KSU   70
Wake    82      Utah   22      Tech   77
FSU   85      Colorado   67      ku   121
Duke    104                  
Syracuse   111                  
                     
AVG:   55.92      AVG:   48.83      AVG:   44.41
                     
ACC 2019         Pac 2019         Big 12+ 2019   
Team   SP+      Team   SP+      Team   SP+
Clemson   4      Utah   12      UCF   14
UNC    30      Oregon   15      Memphis   17
Miami   33      Washington   16      Baylor   18
VT   38      USC   22      ISU   24
UVA   44      Wash St.   28      Cincy   34
Pitt   49      Arizona St   45      OSU   36
Wake    57      Oregon St   65      TCU   43
FSU   58      Cal   74      KSU   46
UL   63      UCLA   79      Tech   54
Duke    68      Colorado   81      BYU   60
Syracuse   77      Stanford   88      WVU   98
BC   92      Arizona   100      ku   104
NC St.    94                  
Ga Tech   111                  
                     
AVG:   58.43      AVG:   52.08      AVG:   45.67
                     
ACC 2018         Pac 2018         Big 12+ 2018   
Team   SP+      Team   SP+      Team   SP+
Clemson   3      Washington   14      UCF   18
Miami   27      Utah   17      OSU   22
NC St.    35      Stanford   26      WVU   24
Syracuse   40      Wash St.   31      Memphis   36
UVA   42      USC   34      Tech   37
Duke    51      Oregon   41      ISU   38
VT   55      Arizona St   52      TCU   43
Wake    57      Cal   56      BYU   46
Pitt   61      Arizona   58      Cincy   50
BC   63      UCLA   76      Baylor   67
FSU   71      Colorado   80      KSU   78
Ga Tech   74      Oregon St   111      ku   100
UNC    88                  
UL   98                  
                     
AVG:   54.64      AVG:   49.67      AVG:   46.58


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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #32237 on: August 26, 2021, 05:33:38 PM »
Check out my WaAaVY table.  In summary, a revamped Big 12 would be better than PAC and ACC.


ACC 2020         Pac 2020         Big 12+ 2020   
Team   SP+      Team   SP+      Team   SP+
Clemson   3      USC   13      BYU   7
UNC    12      Oregon   17      Cincy   8
Miami   20      Oregon St   78      ISU   11
VT   27      Washington   19      OSU   23
UL   35      Wash St.   64      UCF   29
Pitt   41      Stanford   60      TCU   37
NC St.    54      Cal   81      WVU   38
UVA   55      UCLA   46      Memphis   49
Ga Tech   75      Arizona   98      Baylor   63
BC   79      Arizona St   21      KSU   70
Wake    82      Utah   22      Tech   77
FSU   85      Colorado   67      ku   121
Duke    104                  
Syracuse   111                  
                     
AVG:   55.92      AVG:   48.83      AVG:   44.41
                     
ACC 2019         Pac 2019         Big 12+ 2019   
Team   SP+      Team   SP+      Team   SP+
Clemson   4      Utah   12      UCF   14
UNC    30      Oregon   15      Memphis   17
Miami   33      Washington   16      Baylor   18
VT   38      USC   22      ISU   24
UVA   44      Wash St.   28      Cincy   34
Pitt   49      Arizona St   45      OSU   36
Wake    57      Oregon St   65      TCU   43
FSU   58      Cal   74      KSU   46
UL   63      UCLA   79      Tech   54
Duke    68      Colorado   81      BYU   60
Syracuse   77      Stanford   88      WVU   98
BC   92      Arizona   100      ku   104
NC St.    94                  
Ga Tech   111                  
                     
AVG:   58.43      AVG:   52.08      AVG:   45.67
                     
ACC 2018         Pac 2018         Big 12+ 2018   
Team   SP+      Team   SP+      Team   SP+
Clemson   3      Washington   14      UCF   18
Miami   27      Utah   17      OSU   22
NC St.    35      Stanford   26      WVU   24
Syracuse   40      Wash St.   31      Memphis   36
UVA   42      USC   34      Tech   37
Duke    51      Oregon   41      ISU   38
VT   55      Arizona St   52      TCU   43
Wake    57      Cal   56      BYU   46
Pitt   61      Arizona   58      Cincy   50
BC   63      UCLA   76      Baylor   67
FSU   71      Colorado   80      KSU   78
Ga Tech   74      Oregon St   111      ku   100
UNC    88                  
UL   98                  
                     
AVG:   54.64      AVG:   49.67      AVG:   46.58

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« Reply #32238 on: August 26, 2021, 06:08:25 PM »
Anyone pretending a watered down Big 12 is as cool or fun as being with West Coast elites in the Pak-18 can go suck an egg. This bites and everyone knows it.

It bites for sure, but I don't know how anyone thought they were really going to add us.

I do think a watered down version of the B12 with Cincinnati, CF, Memphis, and Houston would be fun though.  :dunno:

This part definitely sucks. I think Nipert could be cool. I like CSU as a roadie, but they aren’t getting in. The rest will suck. I have no desire to go to Houston’s stadium or UCF’s aluminum bleachers on steroids stadium. Hopefully we don’t lose Pullman & Tucson off future schedules.
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« Reply #32239 on: August 26, 2021, 06:29:27 PM »
I’d rather play in revamped big 12 than go to Pac with OSU fwiw. 


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« Reply #32240 on: August 26, 2021, 06:42:47 PM »
Aren’t we going to take a 20M / year haircut as an athletic dept?  I don’t see how the football program can maintain a positive trajectory if we are paying way less than the new P4 schools.  I think cincy pays fickell about what Klieman makes so maybe it’s possible. Does Rick Daris have 20M a year in Matic profits to give kstate?
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« Reply #32241 on: August 26, 2021, 06:45:24 PM »
I’d rather play in revamped big 12 than go to Pac with OSU fwiw.
I agree, even with less money. But this pretty much hinges on ISU/OSU/KU staying with us in the revamped conference.

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« Reply #32242 on: August 26, 2021, 07:00:31 PM »
I’d rather play in revamped big 12 than go to Pac with OSU fwiw.
Terrible take. Way less money, even worse recruiting, less exciting opponents. Even though that big 12 would likely be as competitive as the PAC on the field...maybe even better, the perception would never be the same. There simply is no NC contenders in that big 12. That is really the difference between a power conference and the other ones nobody really cares about.
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« Reply #32243 on: August 26, 2021, 07:02:25 PM »
1. Fox Operation Wannstedt elims Big 12. RIP.
2. Stay at 8 (new Big 8)
3. Pac 12/Big 12 whatever thing
4. Mountain West (you can't fire me, I quit)
5. Reconstruct Big 12 and accept fate as new AAC

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« Reply #32244 on: August 26, 2021, 07:26:15 PM »
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« Reply #32245 on: August 26, 2021, 07:38:55 PM »


I’d rather play in revamped big 12 than go to Pac with OSU fwiw.
Terrible take. Way less money, even worse recruiting, less exciting opponents. Even though that big 12 would likely be as competitive as the PAC on the field...maybe even better, the perception would never be the same. There simply is no NC contenders in that big 12. That is really the difference between a power conference and the other ones nobody really cares about.

I honestly don't care if we don't contend for national titles. Seasons like Boise or UCF have had would be incredibly fun

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« Reply #32246 on: August 26, 2021, 07:45:39 PM »
We’ll have access to the playoff and remain a P5. Recruiting can’t get any worse. It’s the best case scenario here. We still have access to Texas too. None of the recruits we’ve pulled in had offers from Texas or OU either, so other than $, as a fan, what are you losing here? You still have a shot!

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« Reply #32247 on: August 26, 2021, 07:56:18 PM »


I’d rather play in revamped big 12 than go to Pac with OSU fwiw.
Terrible take. Way less money, even worse recruiting, less exciting opponents. Even though that big 12 would likely be as competitive as the PAC on the field...maybe even better, the perception would never be the same. There simply is no NC contenders in that big 12. That is really the difference between a power conference and the other ones nobody really cares about.

I honestly don't care if we don't contend for national titles. Seasons like Boise or UCF have had would be incredibly fun
My comment wasn't about kstate competing for a national championship.
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« Reply #32248 on: August 26, 2021, 07:58:14 PM »
Recruiting can’t get any worse.
Numbers go higher than the 50s.
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« Reply #32249 on: August 26, 2021, 08:47:26 PM »
Recruiting can’t get any worse.
Numbers go higher than the 50s.
Only in the Snyder areas.