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Quote from: BIG APPLE CAT on March 03, 2023, 09:53:14 AMthis thread is reminding me i want to go re-watch season 2 of the hit HBO series THE WIREthe best season, dont @ me
this thread is reminding me i want to go re-watch season 2 of the hit HBO series THE WIRE
Quote from: Trim on March 03, 2023, 08:57:04 AMQuote from: Cire on March 03, 2023, 08:05:29 AMA neighbor's kid was saved from a fentanyl overdose.the kid bought "Oxy" pills that had fentanly.Apparently the dealers get X number of Oxy and some fentanyl, grind it all up into chowder, add some sort of stable filler, the fentanyl is to make it hit harder. But they can turn 100 pills into 5000 pills or whatever. so X number of pills out of the thousand they made are deadly T-Y. This succinctly shows the economic pros/cons to suppliers of using fentanyl in their biz model, but fentanyl isn’t the real problem here.Yeah, they call them “presses”. I’m terrified of this stuff going around and my moron 9 year old who will currently do literally any dangerous crap any of his friends are doing coming across them. We’ve had some local HS kids OD. Absolute nightmare fuel for me.Sent from my iPhone usingthey also "press" the pills to look as much like regular oxy/vicodin etc. I've seen images of side by sides and "how to tell" kinds of things that law enforcement makes. Like how to spot the counterfeit. Because the dealers don't advertise that they've been watered down and have fentanyl. The people OD'ing don't know there's fentanyl in the pill they are popping/snorting
Quote from: Cire on March 03, 2023, 08:05:29 AMA neighbor's kid was saved from a fentanyl overdose.the kid bought "Oxy" pills that had fentanly.Apparently the dealers get X number of Oxy and some fentanyl, grind it all up into chowder, add some sort of stable filler, the fentanyl is to make it hit harder. But they can turn 100 pills into 5000 pills or whatever. so X number of pills out of the thousand they made are deadly T-Y. This succinctly shows the economic pros/cons to suppliers of using fentanyl in their biz model, but fentanyl isn’t the real problem here.
A neighbor's kid was saved from a fentanyl overdose.the kid bought "Oxy" pills that had fentanly.Apparently the dealers get X number of Oxy and some fentanyl, grind it all up into chowder, add some sort of stable filler, the fentanyl is to make it hit harder. But they can turn 100 pills into 5000 pills or whatever. so X number of pills out of the thousand they made are deadly
Quote from: Gooch on March 02, 2023, 09:51:58 AMQuote from: BIG APPLE CAT on March 02, 2023, 09:45:03 AMQuote from: Trim on March 02, 2023, 09:42:25 AMQuote from: BIG APPLE CAT on March 02, 2023, 09:32:12 AMWorth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictiveI think a lot of Dr's were duped by the manufacturers. My Dr in no way is a pill pusher. He rarely even gives me antibiotics. When I had my first kidney stone about 15 years ago I had to wait about a week for surgery since it was stuck. He threw a giant bottle of oxy at me for the pain.Doctors don't do that now from what I've observed. Anecdotally it takes substantial, usually orthopedic surgeries to get prescribed opioid based pain killers, and it's tightly monitored.
Quote from: BIG APPLE CAT on March 02, 2023, 09:45:03 AMQuote from: Trim on March 02, 2023, 09:42:25 AMQuote from: BIG APPLE CAT on March 02, 2023, 09:32:12 AMWorth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictiveI think a lot of Dr's were duped by the manufacturers. My Dr in no way is a pill pusher. He rarely even gives me antibiotics. When I had my first kidney stone about 15 years ago I had to wait about a week for surgery since it was stuck. He threw a giant bottle of oxy at me for the pain.
Quote from: Trim on March 02, 2023, 09:42:25 AMQuote from: BIG APPLE CAT on March 02, 2023, 09:32:12 AMWorth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.The good folks at Perdue have assured us that these drugs are perfectly safe and non-addictive
Quote from: BIG APPLE CAT on March 02, 2023, 09:32:12 AMWorth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.
Worth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately
Quote from: DQ12 on March 02, 2023, 10:05:22 AMQuote from: Trim on March 02, 2023, 09:42:25 AMQuote from: BIG APPLE CAT on March 02, 2023, 09:32:12 AMWorth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.I think they're getting the message with some of these 11-figure settlements.Yeah, I'm sure they are going to lobby congress very aggressively to make themselves immune from future lawsuits so they can keep prescription costs low and continue to research new lifesaving drugs.
Quote from: Trim on March 02, 2023, 09:42:25 AMQuote from: BIG APPLE CAT on March 02, 2023, 09:32:12 AMWorth noting that the overwhelming majority of heroin users are not people who just decided one day “hey ya know what? I think I’ll dabble with heroin because why not?” It’s almost always a less potent opioid like oxy, Abe’s in many cases those ppl were not interested in being drug users, their doctors just gave them opioids bc they fell off the ladder when they were hanging their Christmas lights and the doc said “yeah an opioid is appropriate” and then bam they addicted and yes it really can (and does!) happen that way bc of the frighteningly addictive properties of opioids. A then when they can’t get any more refills, it’s not like the addiction just magically goes away, unfortunately This fentanyl uproar should serve as a call to action in the medical industry or regulation world as to such prescriptions and not making them or only making them when there's some control involved for avoiding that addiction and having plans for getting those people transitioned out of the prescription.I think they're getting the message with some of these 11-figure settlements.
Just to be clear, I don’t think illegal drug users/purchasers are entitled to fentanyl-free illegal drugs. This new risk is an additional one to those that already existed when participating in that game.
It can contaminate cocaine as well (the fancy man’s drug). I actually know someone who died from that.
Quote from: catastrophe on March 04, 2023, 10:20:26 AMIt can contaminate cocaine as well (the fancy man’s drug). I actually know someone who died from that.I've heard rumblings, but I don't understand why someone would cut an upper with a downer. Like, pick a lane, you know?
Quote from: Spracne on March 04, 2023, 10:49:27 AMQuote from: catastrophe on March 04, 2023, 10:20:26 AMIt can contaminate cocaine as well (the fancy man’s drug). I actually know someone who died from that.I've heard rumblings, but I don't understand why someone would cut an upper with a downer. Like, pick a lane, you know?You don't understand that?
ok just making sure you meant to come off sounding like a total idiot there, carry on
Is alcohol a downer? Cause I'd wager the majority of cocaine is consumed with alcohol.
Quote from: star seed 7 on March 04, 2023, 11:36:24 AMIs alcohol a downer? Cause I'd wager the majority of cocaine is consumed with alcohol.Ok, but usually the purpose for cutting cocaine is to artificially increase the weight/volume, i.e., dilute the product. Cutting with fentanyl won't do that. Maybe I'm wrong and it's a banger power combo though. Et tu, BAC?
Quote from: Trim on March 03, 2023, 01:30:03 PMJust to be clear, I don’t think illegal drug users/purchasers are entitled to fentanyl-free illegal drugs. This new risk is an additional one to those that already existed when participating in that game.If we can prevent heroin and opiate junkies from overdosing we should but yes, if you are ripping heroin and illegal opioids I think you have signed up for a level of risk that even includes death.
Quote from: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2023, 08:20:14 AMQuote from: Trim on March 03, 2023, 01:30:03 PMJust to be clear, I don’t think illegal drug users/purchasers are entitled to fentanyl-free illegal drugs. This new risk is an additional one to those that already existed when participating in that game.If we can prevent heroin and opiate junkies from overdosing we should but yes, if you are ripping heroin and illegal opioids I think you have signed up for a level of risk that even includes death.Also if you buy percocets from a snapchat delivery guy. MIR, add this one to your bedtime horror story list.https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article272839335.html
Quote from: Trim on March 20, 2023, 05:39:14 PMQuote from: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2023, 08:20:14 AMQuote from: Trim on March 03, 2023, 01:30:03 PMJust to be clear, I don’t think illegal drug users/purchasers are entitled to fentanyl-free illegal drugs. This new risk is an additional one to those that already existed when participating in that game.If we can prevent heroin and opiate junkies from overdosing we should but yes, if you are ripping heroin and illegal opioids I think you have signed up for a level of risk that even includes death.Also if you buy percocets from a snapchat delivery guy. MIR, add this one to your bedtime horror story list.https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article272839335.htmlThat's sad as eff but there's almost certainly no way that was the first time he ingested fentanyl.