"Obamacare"

[wetwillie]

News flash you guys are already paying for poor people going to emergency room in the form of higher insurance premiums.  Who cares if it's a constitutionally protected right, everyone receiving basic healthcare is cheaper in the long run.

[Emo EMAW]

Is anyone debating that? 

[The Big Train]

Man somebody clean up the body bags in here

[ednksu]

I can't believe that people don't think basic healthcare should be a right as an American citizen.

From where would such a "right" emanate?

Yeah the constitution definitely doesn't say anything about life and happiness in it. 

(honestly though I'd argue that it's to the point where the lack of healthcare threatens our basic liberties and equal protection under the law.  I know many wont see it that way, but I do.)

I'm sure you're purposely being obtuse here, but the right is the PURSUIT of those things.  Nowhere is the Constitution saying you have a right to be happy.

Yeah which is why I added the whole other part.  But I'd argue that the modern healthcare system is so far out of control that our forefathers would never have imagined this system.  Most importantly for me the Constitution is setting up a system of equal opportunity and chance in America.  We've progressed to such a state where healthcare is now a limiting issue for people to gain true Independence and freedom. 

[Cire]

so insurance companies are mad because they are having to insure sick people?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The entire idea behind the constitution was to create a government that didn't take everything people had every chance it got. It's probably not the best place to start as the foundation for another underfunded social welfare state tax and spend program.

[star seed 7]

Interesting take that giving people healthcare is taking everything they own

[Cire]

yeah,

"THAT COSTS WHAT TO CURE!!!"

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I wonder how tall Lib7 money tree has grown?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

What exactly do you idiots think Healthcare is, and how do you plan to "give it" to everyone.

[Emo EMAW]

lib, are you in good physical shape? 

[star seed 7]

Remove the cost barrier

[star seed 7]

lib, are you in good physical shape?

No, not at all

[Emo EMAW]

lib, are you in good physical shape?

No, not at all

Are you educated enough to know better?  Do you not have the means to acquire healthy habits?  Perhaps it's genetic?

[Tobias]

lib lost both legs above the knee

[star seed 7]

lib, are you in good physical shape?

No, not at all

Are you educated enough to know better?  Do you not have the means to acquire healthy habits?  Perhaps it's genetic?

I'm not sure what relevance this is?

[wetwillie]

What exactly do you idiots think Healthcare is, and how do you plan to "give it" to everyone.

Can only lead a horse to water unfortunately

[ednksu]

The entire idea behind the constitution was to create a government that didn't take everything people had every chance it got. It's probably not the best place to start as the foundation for another underfunded social welfare state tax and spend program.

I think you should take a lap and re-read the constitution, because that is nowhere close to what it says.  Hint, it takes a lot, and it expects a lot, all under the purpose of creating a government and society of equal opportunity. 

[Skipper44]

lib lost both legs above the knee

now I feel bad for judging his mowing habits

[Tobias]

can't even pull himself up by his own bootstraps

[slobber]

Libliblibliblibliblib? More like limplimplimplimplimplimplimp


Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)

[Ptolemy]

I think it's perfectly acceptable for one to believe that sometimes people have rights that are not explicitly listed in government documents. I also think it's perfectly acceptable for one to believe that sometimes people should be given things to which they do not have a right.

Whether "listed" or not, a natural right is something that IS. We all have an inherent right to life and liberty. Those cannot be taken away by anyone else.

"acceptable for...people to be given things to which they do not have a right"  You cannot be given anything without private property being taken from someone else, and that is depriving them of liberty. Taking from another is theft.

[Ptolemy]

so insurance companies are mad because they are having to insure sick people?

Can you purchase house insurance AFTER your house burns down. If you choose not to buy insurance, what entitles you to ask for us to replace it?

[star seed 7]

I think it's perfectly acceptable for one to believe that sometimes people have rights that are not explicitly listed in government documents. I also think it's perfectly acceptable for one to believe that sometimes people should be given things to which they do not have a right.

Whether "listed" or not, a natural right is something that IS. We all have an inherent right to life and liberty. Those cannot be taken away by anyone else.

"acceptable for...people to be given things to which they do not have a right"  You cannot be given anything without private property being taken from someone else, and that is depriving them of liberty. Taking from another is theft.

Man, I got 'lemy to be in favor of socialized medicine 

[Cire]

so insurance companies are mad because they are having to insure sick people?

Can you purchase house insurance AFTER your house burns down. If you choose not to buy insurance, what entitles you to ask for us to replace it?

Can you purchase a house that isn't insured?