"Obamacare"

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So real non partisan question, what happens when it is repealed?  Will the markets get all screwed out?  I mean, you can't flip a switch and just go back to 2012

Because the switch that turned on in 2012 ended up being some mentally challenged version of the game mouse trap, im guessing everyone would either be relieved or not actually notice.

[Cire]

They're not going to repeal it.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Gruber speaks truth yet again. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/24/jonathan-gruber-warned-of-obamacare-premium-spike-/

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Here's a fun confluence of two of Obama's biggest follies! Obamacare encourages employers to hire illegals instead of citizens because they don't have to pay a penalty for not insuring the illegals.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/

[chum1]

When is Obamacare supposed to bring down the entire health insurance industry? I've completely lost track of all its devastating consequences for our country, but that's one I was particularly intetested in.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Chuck Schumer admits Obamacare a monumental flop for democrats.

http://fusion.net/story/30263/chuck-schumer-obamacare-comments-aca/

After passing the stimulus, Democrats should have continued to propose middle class-oriented programs and built on the partial success of the stimulus, but unfortunately Democrats blew the opportunity the American people gave them. We took their mandate and put all of our focus on the wrong problem – health care reform,” Schumer said.

“The plight of uninsured Americans and the hardships caused by unfair insurance company practices certainly needed to be addressed,” he added. “But it wasn’t the change we were hired to make. Americans were crying out for an end to the recession, for better wages and more jobs — not for changes in their health care.”

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

With Mary's loss yesterday, it's now official: 4 years after a 60-Dem Senate majority rammed Obamacare down our throats, exactly half of those senators are already gone from office - a majority of them being replaced by republicans.

If there is any justice in the passage of Obamacare, it has been just as toxic for the Democrat party as it has for America.

[star seed 7]

ugh, giving people healthcare just makes me so angry that I can't even see straight 

[Dr Rick Daris]

ugh, giving people healthcare just makes me so angry that I can't even see straight 

yes! and my life is so much worse now! 

[The Big Train]

i didnt know cops worried about healthcare costs so much

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

ugh, giving people healthcare just makes me so angry that I can't even see straight 

Who's giving people healthcare?

[Rage Against the McKee]

ugh, giving people healthcare just makes me so angry that I can't even see straight 

Who's giving people healthcare?

Yeah, this system sucks. We need single payer.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

ugh, giving people healthcare just makes me so angry that I can't even see straight 

Who's giving people healthcare?

Yeah, this system sucks. We need single payer.

Sounds like Hillary's 2016 campaign message.

[Rage Against the McKee]

ugh, giving people healthcare just makes me so angry that I can't even see straight 

Who's giving people healthcare?

Yeah, this system sucks. We need single payer.

Sounds like Hillary's 2016 campaign message.

Getting health care costs under control by 2020 should be the goal, and electing Hillary might just be the best way to get there. We will just have to see who else runs.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

ugh, giving people healthcare just makes me so angry that I can't even see straight 

Who's giving people healthcare?

Yeah, this system sucks. We need single payer.

Sounds like Hillary's 2016 campaign message.

Getting health care costs under control by 2020 should be the goal, and electing Hillary might just be the best way to get there. We will just have to see who else runs.

Ok. If you really believe that more government intervention will "get healthcare costs under control" without seriously undermining quality of care, I can't help you. You would be so lacking in any common sense and rationality that any debate would be futile.

[Rage Against the McKee]

ugh, giving people healthcare just makes me so angry that I can't even see straight 

Who's giving people healthcare?

Yeah, this system sucks. We need single payer.

Sounds like Hillary's 2016 campaign message.

Getting health care costs under control by 2020 should be the goal, and electing Hillary might just be the best way to get there. We will just have to see who else runs.

Ok. If you really believe that more government intervention will "get healthcare costs under control" without seriously undermining quality of care, I can't help you. You would be so lacking in any common sense and rationality that any debate would be futile.

Define "seriously undermining quality of care". I really don't have see any problem with the way every other first world country handles health care at a much lower cost than the US pays.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

ugh, giving people healthcare just makes me so angry that I can't even see straight 

Who's giving people healthcare?

Yeah, this system sucks. We need single payer.

Sounds like Hillary's 2016 campaign message.

Getting health care costs under control by 2020 should be the goal, and electing Hillary might just be the best way to get there. We will just have to see who else runs.

Ok. If you really believe that more government intervention will "get healthcare costs under control" without seriously undermining quality of care, I can't help you. You would be so lacking in any common sense and rationality that any debate would be futile.

Define "seriously undermining quality of care". I really don't have see any problem with the way every other first world country handles health care at a much lower cost than the US pays.

You should tell that to the Canadians who migrate here in droves for surgical procedures. But if you want to pay higher taxes for a "free" hosptial system that will do a bang-up job prescribing you some antibiotics or pain relievers - just don't expect more serious care in a timely fashion - then Canada's just the system for you! 

[Rage Against the McKee]

ugh, giving people healthcare just makes me so angry that I can't even see straight 

Who's giving people healthcare?

Yeah, this system sucks. We need single payer.

Sounds like Hillary's 2016 campaign message.

Getting health care costs under control by 2020 should be the goal, and electing Hillary might just be the best way to get there. We will just have to see who else runs.

Ok. If you really believe that more government intervention will "get healthcare costs under control" without seriously undermining quality of care, I can't help you. You would be so lacking in any common sense and rationality that any debate would be futile.

Define "seriously undermining quality of care". I really don't have see any problem with the way every other first world country handles health care at a much lower cost than the US pays.

You should tell that to the Canadians who migrate here in droves for surgical procedures. But if you want to pay higher taxes for a "free" hosptial system that will do a bang-up job prescribing you some antibiotics or pain relievers - just don't expect more serious care in a timely fashion - then Canada's just the system for you! 

Wow, that sounds terrible. How much longer are we living than Canadians on average?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

ugh, giving people healthcare just makes me so angry that I can't even see straight 

Who's giving people healthcare?

Yeah, this system sucks. We need single payer.

Sounds like Hillary's 2016 campaign message.

Getting health care costs under control by 2020 should be the goal, and electing Hillary might just be the best way to get there. We will just have to see who else runs.

Ok. If you really believe that more government intervention will "get healthcare costs under control" without seriously undermining quality of care, I can't help you. You would be so lacking in any common sense and rationality that any debate would be futile.

Define "seriously undermining quality of care". I really don't have see any problem with the way every other first world country handles health care at a much lower cost than the US pays.

You should tell that to the Canadians who migrate here in droves for surgical procedures. But if you want to pay higher taxes for a "free" hosptial system that will do a bang-up job prescribing you some antibiotics or pain relievers - just don't expect more serious care in a timely fashion - then Canada's just the system for you! 

Wow, that sounds terrible. How much longer are we living than Canadians on average?

Oh, ok, so life expectancy is the relevant metric! Sorry grandma, you'll have to wait 18 months for that hip replacement - but the good news is that statistics say you're expected to live longer than those hosers to the south, eh?

You know what you should do? Head on up to the northern border and scoff at all those Canadian medical tourists - "dumbasses, statistically speaking, your life expectancy is already better than ours."

[Spracne]

You know what would really make a long-term impact on the cost of healtchare?  Banning shitty foods.  #FoodForThought

[Rage Against the McKee]

What metric would you suggest to evaluate a country's healthcare system? Life expectancy makes the most sense to me. I take it the Canadians are living longer than we are, then? How do you explain that?

[Spracne]

What metric would you suggest to evaluate a country's healthcare system? Life expectancy makes the most sense to me. I take it the Canadians are living longer than we are, then? How do you explain that?

Lifestyle

[Rage Against the McKee]

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/press-releases/2010/jun/us-ranks-last-among-seven-countries

This seems like a fair evaluation to me.

[Brock Landers]

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/press-releases/2010/jun/us-ranks-last-among-seven-countries

This seems like a fair evaluation to me.

USA doesn't finish last in anything buddy.

More like 6th runner up to having the best healthcare system

[Rage Against the McKee]

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/press-releases/2010/jun/us-ranks-last-among-seven-countries

This seems like a fair evaluation to me.

USA doesn't finish last in anything buddy.

More like 6th runner up to having the best healthcare system

Yeah, in some categories we finished 6th out of 7, and that isn't too bad. Money well spent, imo.