"Obamacare"

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Someone should tell these churches, synagogues,  temples, etc (they're all organized as legal entities, including corporations) they aren't allowed to have religious beliefs.

It's not that they aren't allowed to so much as that they are physically unable to.

I suppose all these building I see labeled church and what not are imaginary. The thrift stores, soup kitchen, shelters, and charitable organizations aren't really there?

They are there, but they don't have beliefs.

I think you need to develop your point into something more than butthurt about a couple corporations not being required to pay for their employees abortions.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Someone should tell these churches, synagogues,  temples, etc (they're all organized as legal entities, including corporations) they aren't allowed to have religious beliefs.

It's not that they aren't allowed to so much as that they are physically unable to.

I suppose all these building I see labeled church and what not are imaginary. The thrift stores, soup kitchen, shelters, and charitable organizations aren't really there?

They are there, but they don't have beliefs.

I think you need to develop your point into something more than butthurt about a couple corporations not being required to pay for their employees abortions.

No corporation is required to pay for an employee's abortion.

[Institutional Control]

Equating birth control to abortion is a loser talking point in my opinion.  Probably 95% of women in this country, conservative or liberal, have used some type of birth control in their lifetime.

[puniraptor]

Equating birth control to abortion is a loser talking point in my opinion.  Probably 95% of women in this country, conservative or liberal, have used some type of birth control in their lifetime.

i think these people consider IUDs and morning after pills to be abortions, not 'doms and bc pills

[Institutional Control]

Equating birth control to abortion is a loser talking point in my opinion.  Probably 95% of women in this country, conservative or liberal, have used some type of birth control in their lifetime.

i think these people consider IUDs and morning after pills to be abortions, not 'doms and bc pills

I thought IUDs prevented fertilization. Which would be the same category as a condom or BC pill.  I could be wrong, I'm not an expert.

[Mrs. Gooch]

Equating birth control to abortion is a loser talking point in my opinion.  Probably 95% of women in this country, conservative or liberal, have used some type of birth control in their lifetime.

i think these people consider IUDs and morning after pills to be abortions, not 'doms and bc pills

I thought IUDs prevented fertilization. Which would be the same category as a condom or BC pill.  I could be wrong, I'm not an expert.

The way I understand it is that they may prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. So that's why they don't like it - the egg is fertilized.
In fact one of the 2 IUDs available in the US can be inserted up to 5 days after unprotected sex and still work.

[Institutional Control]

Is birth control really so expensive that not covering it is really a big deal?  My wife's insurance has a $40 copay all RXs.  I though bc could be bought for $20 a month or so. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Is birth control really so expensive that not covering it is really a big deal?  My wife's insurance has a $40 copay all RXs.  I though bc could be bought for $20 a month or so.

I would think that not covering would make your insurance rates go up, though. If I were selling insurance, I would give a higher rate to a plan that I would associate with a higher pregnancy risk, anyway.

Plus these people work at Hobby Lobby. Any expense is a major expense.

[Institutional Control]

I heard somewhere that HL actually pays their employees more than the typical retail store. Might have just been a right wing talking point I saw on FB though.


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[slucat]

http://time.com/2941323/supreme-court-contraception-ruling-hobby-lobby/

Appears as tho IUD's and morning after pills aren't covered, everything else is.

A traditional copper IUD does prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus, however mirena (which has been heavily advertised on TV) acts more like a internal bc pill (I think). This does not equate abortion.

A lot of misinformation out there on what exactly was decided, I don't agree with it, but HL didn't block people from getting "the pill".

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I heard somewhere that HL actually pays their employees more than the typical retail store. Might have just been a right wing talking point I saw on FB though.


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They start at double the minimum wage. And they actually cover most birth control, just not a few certain "abortion" ones.

[Unruly]

[Stellarcat]

I think you need to develop your point into something more than butthurt about a couple corporations not being required to pay for their employees abortions.

WebMD:

Pill  "The hormonal contraceptive usually stops the body from ovulating. Hormonal contraceptives also change the cervical mucus to make it difficult for the sperm to find an egg. Hormonal contraceptives can also prevent pregnancy by making the lining of the womb inhospitable for implantation."

Plan B "Emergency contraception pills work by preventing ovulation, fertilization, or implantation."

IUD "There are two types of IUDs available in the United States. One type releases the hormone progestin, which causes the cervical mucus to become thicker so the sperm cannot reach the egg. The hormone also changes the lining of the uterus, so implantation of a fertilized egg cannot occur.  The other type doesn't use hormones. It contains copper, which is slowly released into the uterine cavity. The copper stops the sperm from making it through the vagina and uterus to reach the egg, thus preventing fertilization."

Just because people/corporations believe something doesn't make it so. 

[Mrs. Gooch]

http://www.atlbanana.com/supreme-court-upholds-little-caesars-right-to-feed-christian-employees-to-lions/

[SPEmaw]

Really, the government should just pay for birth control for anyone that wants it. It's bullshit we're asking Hobby Lobby to pay IMO.

Yes. And it would not take long at all for taxes to go down.

Exactly. Less people on welfare.

I hope you're joking, guys. Eugenic social cleansing stance much?

[michigancat]

I'm dead serious that the government should provide free birth control and health care. And yeah, it probably would reduce the welfare rate. Teen pregnancies especially ruin the finances of people.

[Institutional Control]

Really, the government should just pay for birth control for anyone that wants it. It's bullshit we're asking Hobby Lobby to pay IMO.

Yes. And it would not take long at all for taxes to go down.

Exactly. Less people on welfare.

I hope you're joking, guys. Eugenic social cleansing stance much?

Not advocating forced sterilization.

[Tobias]

[Institutional Control]

It would be great if everyone practiced personal accountability. We could do away with prisons and law enforcement for the most part.

A taxpayer paid IUD is cheaper than a taxpayer paid birth.

[michigancat]

damn, SPEMAW deleted his "don't get creampied by random dudes" post.

[Institutional Control]

damn, SPEMAW deleted his "don't get creampied by random dudes" post.

Son of a..... Now my post is out of context!

[michigancat]

'doms and the pill are so  readily available, many times for free. The pill is like $9/mo at your typical pharmacy. People need to take some responsibility for their actions. Use those provided methods or pay for additional measures themselves. If you depend on an implanted device paid for by someone else, you're basically a real POS. Quit getting creampied raw-dog style by some dude you're not commmitted to when you can't afford your own lifestyle much less another mouth to feed. If you're financially fortunate enough to provide for some IUD yourself and must rely on that, good for you. Don't live that lifestyle and expect it to be someone else's expense.

Oh cool, I started a reply to save it!

[SPEmaw]

Not very PC or eloquent, but this issue is a sad one to argue over. No one should be forced to pay the bill for anything beyond what is already covered. The rest is, like, a choice - definitely not a right.


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[Rage Against the McKee]

Not very PC or eloquent, but this issue is a sad one to argue over. No one should be forced to pay the bill for anything beyond what is already covered. The rest is, like, a choice - definitely not a right.


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If you were selling insurance, would you charge more or less for a plan that covers plan b?

[michigancat]

Not very PC or eloquent, but this issue is a sad one to argue over. No one should be forced to pay the bill for anything beyond what is already covered. The rest is, like, a choice - definitely not a right.


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Like I said, the government should pay for it.