"Obamacare"

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why does it matter if it's SOP? Wouldn't that make it worse?

It really is indefensible to charge for crap like that. If charges like that are ok, they could literally assign a separate nurse to perform or observe every single task and just run the meter. "Do you need a drink of water? Let me get the water drink getting and administering nurse. Someone is actually shadowing her today, but we will only charge you for half his time."

It's not like you don't have a choice.

It kind of is. Have you ever been hospitalized? Doctors and nurses just show up, whether you ask them to or not. It's sort of like homeless people cleaning your windshield when you're at a red light and expecting to get paid.

[Kat Kid]

I think there are some people that were justifiably angry in 2010 before they even could have considered that Donald Trump would be running for office in 2016.

what was justified about their anger?  My health insurance is getting worse, but that is because Kansas State has had to make across the board cuts for the past 3 years because of Brownback's tax plan.

I think it's justifiable to be angry about being promised transparency and then this massive bill being written behind closed doors and voted on by people who didn't even understand what all was in it.

This is a very dumb criticism.  Pretty much every major law is enormous in verbage to help clarify and prevent it from being too vague in implementation, to make sure it is compliant with other laws and that it is Constitutional.  The bill was widely debated in public for an extended period of time.  The people that voted on it could obviously not recite it by memory, but they understood the core parts of what the bill would achieve, some better than others.  Obviously, not many people predicted the website rollout being a disaster or so many states refusing to accept the medicaid expansion and fighting to not set up the exchanges, or the many constitutional challenges, but there was plenty of transparency.

There are lots of better examples of bills being passed in the dead of night, or secret funding or classification preventing transparency in government.

[star seed 7]

Why does it matter if it's SOP? Wouldn't that make it worse?

It really is indefensible to charge for crap like that. If charges like that are ok, they could literally assign a separate nurse to perform or observe every single task and just run the meter. "Do you need a drink of water? Let me get the water drink getting and administering nurse. Someone is actually shadowing her today, but we will only charge you for half his time."

It's not like you don't have a choice.

It kind of is. Have you ever been hospitalized? Doctors and nurses just show up, whether you ask them to or not. It's sort of like homeless people cleaning your windshield when you're at a red light and expecting to get paid.

Great analogy 

[catastrophe]

I think a better analogy would be opening the door for a client and then adding that their bill.

[star seed 7]

Great analogies all around!

[catastrophe]

I'll come up with some more.

[catastrophe]

Fixing someone's car and then charging a $40 delivery fee to bring it up to the front of the shop.

[star seed 7]

Getting my car fixed and they charged me for the time they needed a second mechanic 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Do you think this couple asked to see a lactation consultant? I'm sort of doubting they asked to have somebody come in and tell them that the baby's mouth goes on the nipple, but maybe they asked for it. Who knows?

[catastrophe]

Waiting at a reception desk and the receptionist asks you if you want some coffee and you say sure so they send someone to go to Starbucks and charge you $40 for the coffee and delivery.

[star seed 7]

You just keep getting worse, maybe try on the edn account

[catastrophe]

Getting your bill at the doctor's office and they ask you if you want a copy and you say yes please, so the doctor comes out and hand copies the bill including  free drawing the letterhead and then bills you for that time.

[Emo EMAW]

Guys, it's a child birth, you have plenty of notice.  Just shop the hospitals, ask for a detailed/itemized quote, and read everything they will ask you to sign.  If you have concerns contact your health insurance and see what's covered and what isn't.  If they bill you for something you didn't agree to tell them to get mumped.  And if they over bill you $40, maybe consider your time investment in fighting for $40 versus spending time with your new baby.

[star seed 7]

I'd like a cheeseburger, and can I add bacon to that please?

Oh wtf, these buttholes charged me for the bacon 

[catastrophe]

My analogies are better.

[catastrophe]

Do you think this couple asked to see a lactation consultant? I'm sort of doubting they asked to have somebody come in and tell them that the baby's mouth goes on the nipple, but maybe they asked for it. Who knows?

I've heard some mom's have trouble breastfeeding especially at first, so not surprised if they asked for some help and actually scheduled that.

[chum1]

It's 2% of a bill they may only get once or twice in their lives.

[sys]

i can't believe you're defending the lack of transparency in medical pricing, liblib.  emo i get, because he argues all sorts of weird crap.

[star seed 7]

I would say that line item is full transparency, personally

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I would say that line item is full transparency, personally

I wouldn't pay $212.04 for 38 Level 3's.

[Emo EMAW]

i can't believe you're defending the lack of transparency in medical pricing, liblib.  emo i get, because he argues all sorts of weird crap.

It's not lack of transparency.  All you have to do is like not be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and ask for pricing.

It's no different than a Toyota dealership.  "Hi Mr. Sys, the during the inspection the tech noticed your cabin air filter is dirty, would you like us to replace that?"

Now, here's where some of you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and the rest of you aren't.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "Sure."
Non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "How much is it?  ("It's $20.")  Oh okay, yes please do that."

[Rage Against the McKee]

i can't believe you're defending the lack of transparency in medical pricing, liblib.  emo i get, because he argues all sorts of weird crap.

It's not lack of transparency.  All you have to do is like not be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and ask for pricing.

It's no different than a Toyota dealership.  "Hi Mr. Sys, the during the inspection the tech noticed your cabin air filter is dirty, would you like us to replace that?"

Now, here's where some of you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and the rest of you aren't.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "Sure."
Non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "How much is it?  ("It's $20.")  Oh okay, yes please do that."

It's not like that at all, Emo, because the baby is your baby. You shouldn't expect a charge to hold it. It's not like the baby is the hospital's property until you leave.

[Emo EMAW]

i can't believe you're defending the lack of transparency in medical pricing, liblib.  emo i get, because he argues all sorts of weird crap.

It's not lack of transparency.  All you have to do is like not be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and ask for pricing.

It's no different than a Toyota dealership.  "Hi Mr. Sys, the during the inspection the tech noticed your cabin air filter is dirty, would you like us to replace that?"

Now, here's where some of you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and the rest of you aren't.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "Sure."
Non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):  "How much is it?  ("It's $20.")  Oh okay, yes please do that."

It's not like that at all, Emo, because the baby is your baby. You shouldn't expect a charge to hold it. It's not like the baby is the hospital's property until you leave.

The charge is for the additional nurse, not the actual holding of the baby.  We have been over this.

[Dugout DickStone]

Guys, it's a child birth, you have plenty of notice.  Just shop the hospitals, ask for a detailed/itemized quote, and read everything they will ask you to sign.  If you have concerns contact your health insurance and see what's covered and what isn't.  If they bill you for something you didn't agree to tell them to get mumped.  And if they over bill you $40, maybe consider your time investment in fighting for $40 versus spending time with your new baby.

Who has time for that crap?

[Emo EMAW]

Guys, it's a child birth, you have plenty of notice.  Just shop the hospitals, ask for a detailed/itemized quote, and read everything they will ask you to sign.  If you have concerns contact your health insurance and see what's covered and what isn't.  If they bill you for something you didn't agree to tell them to get mumped.  And if they over bill you $40, maybe consider your time investment in fighting for $40 versus spending time with your new baby.

Who has time for that crap?

It's like an extra 5 seconds.  You're already touring the hospital.  Just literally just ask "Hey can I get an itemized quote?"  "Yes, sure, be right back."  So painstakingly simple.