"Obamacare"

[Spracne]

Affordable health care is a misnomer. Health insurance is not a human right, it's a financial instrument meant to mitigate against catastrophic events. To say everyone is entitled to "free" healthcare is to say everyone is entitled to food and shelter and water and education.  All of these things are already readily available and more or less provided by our society free of cost to the lowest common denominator. The problem is the overwhelming majority of the lowest common denominator flat our refuses to accept and enrich themselves with these gifts of society, and no matter how the gift is packaged, nothing changes.

So, you can act like a thoughtless idiot and pretend you're a better person for saying "healthcare is a human right", or you can critically think, identify a problem and work towards a solution that actually betters society. Libtardedness is a religion full of indoctrinated lemmings, they are serial enablers or a serious societal problem.

Let us not overlook the fact that none of these "free" "human rights" can be paid for other than by promising the income of an unborn generation.

You carelessly conflate health insurance and healthcare, but more importantly...

This is America.  We don't condemn innocent persons just so that no guilty persons escape justice. As a God-fearing American, I know that ours is not the judgment of fellow man--Ours is only the trying to live in a Christly manner.  The rest is not our business.

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being pro health insurance is such a weirdo stance

What a stupid rough ridin' thing to say. Also the most succinct demonstration of ignorance and misplaced aggression that I've seen, so congrats.

[puniraptor]

FSD, don't you think the downtrodden would perform better at all that bootstraps stuff if they weren't bankrupt and crippled by their medical concerns?

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Affordable health care is a misnomer. Health insurance is not a human right, it's a financial instrument meant to mitigate against catastrophic events. To say everyone is entitled to "free" healthcare is to say everyone is entitled to food and shelter and water and education.  All of these things are already readily available and more or less provided by our society free of cost to the lowest common denominator. The problem is the overwhelming majority of the lowest common denominator flat our refuses to accept and enrich themselves with these gifts of society, and no matter how the gift is packaged, nothing changes.

So, you can act like a thoughtless idiot and pretend you're a better person for saying "healthcare is a human right", or you can critically think, identify a problem and work towards a solution that actually betters society. Libtardedness is a religion full of indoctrinated lemmings, they are serial enablers or a serious societal problem.

Let us not overlook the fact that none of these "free" "human rights" can be paid for other than by promising the income of an unborn generation.

You carelessly conflate health insurance with healthcare, but more importantly...

This is America.  We don't condemn innocent persons just so that no guilty persons escape justice. As a God-fearing American, I know that ours is not the judgment of fellow man--Ours is only the trying to live in a Christly manner.  The rest is not our business.

Accusing me of conflating healthcare and health insurance might be the most perverted thing ever written in the pit. This is a thread about Obamacare, the Genesis of the most egregious conflation of the fundamental concepts of health insurance and health care.

You are foolish and have been manipulated into believing that our society was cold and dark before, but that somehow rebranding the existing system into bureaucratic largesse cures the contrived insensitivities of years prior. It's at best a slight of hand, and anyone with a brain can see that.

[star seed 7]

lol

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FSD, don't you think the downtrodden would perform better at all that bootstraps stuff if they weren't bankrupt and crippled by their medical concerns?

Your premise is false, as the downtrodden are in the exact same position, or worse, as they were before this abortion of legislation.

I do envy the left for successfully framing the discussion as "the sick and poor are dying on the steps of hospitals because they are denied healthcare". That is fantasy. The fact of the matter is that poor people could have purchased a shitty high deductible hmo before just like they can now (except they can't because the Web page is broken). None of them are doing it because they still don't have cash to pay premiums or deductibles.

You idiots have literally convinced yourselves that opposing the ACA means letting people die in the street and that supporting it is righteous. You sound like the rough ridin' phelps.

[star seed 7]

the aca did some good but mostly sucks.  it sucks because it's still a health insurance model and health insurance is probably the most immoral major industry in the country

[star seed 7]

i mean, fsd just laid it out perfectly why free healthcare is the only obvious solution

[michigancat]

I bet if the founding fathers would have started this country today they would have listed free health care in the bill of rights, at least for white males.

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the aca did some good but mostly sucks.  it sucks because it's still a health insurance model and health insurance is probably the most immoral major industry in the country

Aeticulate what is immoral about health insurance.

[puniraptor]

Sorry, I guess I am in the wrong thread and you are angry about it. I was reflecting on health care more generally. 

The medical industrial insurance complex is what I oppose. It is an insatiable and unsustainable tumorous beast.

I do like the individual mandate as a way to make health insurance actually function like real insurance.

I also like obamacare for getting us that much closer to burning it all down.

[Spracne]

the aca did some good but mostly sucks.  it sucks because it's still a health insurance model and health insurance is probably the most immoral major industry in the country

Health Insurance used to be a good business back in the minimize-and-shed-risk days.  It is slightly less horrible now. 

FSD, sick people aren't dying on the steps of the hospital. They're being admitted, treated for 2.5 days, then discharged with no way to continue their care or any other tools for promoting a care transition.  They then receive and are subsequently hassled with medical bills that are lolhigh to the point that they are discouraged from pursuing continuing medical care.  If they allow themselves to become sufficiently impoverished, they may qualify for Medicaid or other state programs, but even then it takes a certain amount of intelligence and savvy in order to satisfy the endless processes of qualification and re-certification, and all that before we even get to the healthcare part of the equation, not to mention that many of these people already have poor health literacy. 

[puniraptor]

*I don't think the ACA is free healthcare and I definitely don't think it is fulfilling our human American right to healthcare.

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The "medical insurance complex". Good gawd

You might as well have a pull string.

[puniraptor]

What percent of our GDP is pure health insurance industry? Probably more than 1

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the aca did some good but mostly sucks.  it sucks because it's still a health insurance model and health insurance is probably the most immoral major industry in the country

Health Insurance used to be a good business back in the minimize-and-shed-risk days.  It is slightly less horrible now. 

FSD, sick people aren't dying on the steps of the hospital. They're being admitted, treated for 2.5 days, then discharged with no way to continue their care or any other tools for promoting a care transition.  They then receive and are subsequently hassled with medical bills that are lolhigh to the point that they are discouraged from pursuing continuing medical care.  If they allow themselves to become sufficiently impoverished, they may qualify for Medicaid or other state programs, but even then it takes a certain amount of intelligence and savvy in order to satisfy the endless processes of qualification and re-certification, and all that before we even get to the healthcare part of the equation, not to mention that many of these people already have poor health literacy.

What's amazing is that you seem to have identified [a] problem, yet the solution you implicitly adopt unquestionably compounds said problem.

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What percent of our GDP is pure health insurance industry? Probably more than 1

What percentage is agriculture?

#pullstringtalkingpoints

[puniraptor]

You  are a person with no ears who doesn't listen and yells out of your two mouth sides and anus simultaneously.

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[renocat]

Real smart Democrats call it the Affordable Care Act, but premiums go up 20 to 40 percent.  Us poor stupid drooling groin scrarchers jus don't get it.

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You  are a person with no ears who doesn't listen and yells out of your two mouth sides and anus simultaneously.

I'm sorry nobody at your high school know who you are. Probably a violation of your human rights

[star seed 7]

high school smack!

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high school smack!

This is immoral.

[puniraptor]

Idea 2: whatever Denmark does?

[puniraptor]

In this thread, I became aware that FSD is from St. Louis.