if health care is just such an obvious case I’d rather you just acknowledge this one.
what do you want me to acknowledge?
you know that i think the us health care system is a giant crap show and also that i don't think m4a would do much to fix it.
I'm confused as to why you all progressives only favor m4a, or why you think there's only one m4a model. Or why you think any m4a model proposed is "superficial and tiresome," if you also think the current system is broken, and your only alternative is to go to a plan that already failed. Am I misunderstanding your usage of superficial, given you haven't broken down the failings of the various m4a plans? Am I misunderstanding your usage tiresome given that you haven't conveyed a proven alternative?
I just don't understand such a disdain for a plan that is a clear alternative to what we have that everyone agrees isn't close to the answer and is part of the reason we're in this current situation. Your view on any m4a plan seems to be dripping with some unsaid agenda. We are clearly at a throw crap against the wall and see what sticks situation when it comes to health care in this country, Obamacare didn't.
Also since you said you didn't remember the details of the subsidies of obamacare, again also an odd thing to acknowledge given you're calling other proposals superficial and tiresome, the subsidies essentially consisted of offering really bad plans, with high copays and deductibles, with limited benefits, for cheaper rates. Insurance companies claimed to be losing money on those plans, more people could afford to have an actual plan, but the issue of affording medication and copays and or coinsurance never got addressed. Obamacare failed because their was no way for the insurance companies to protect their profits and there were no price controls to make health care cheaper for the consumer. The only winner it produced was the administration, that could tout higher enrollment rates. That's not even getting into the newly imposed tax penalties for not being insured. It ultimately was a half baked compromise that was designed to not shake the tree of the health care industry, that can't work.
I'm not a m4a proponent, although I do favor a government takeover of the entire health care system, but I wouldn't dare denigrate it when comparing it to the status quo or a program that failed because it was too similar to the status quo.