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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: ednksu on October 27, 2013, 08:25:36 PM
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39% Brownie
43% some guy named Davis
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/26/1250796/-Shock-Early-Poll-Brownback-Trails-Democrat-Paul-Davis-in-Kansas#
Brownie 35% approval 58% disapprove
http://cjonline.com/blog-post/andy-marso/2013-10-23/dems-touting-poll-botched-their-candidates-name
Among voters who voted for Sam Brownback in 2010, 59% of them plan to vote for him again. 25% will vote for Paul Davis and 11% for a third party. 36% of people who voted for him in 2010 plan to vote for someone else in 2014.
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Is he still going to ditch the income tax for me?
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He didn't have enough pull to back Frank. I mean, I don't want my governor to have less pull than Currie. Bring on Davis.
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Brownie will still win.
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Brownie will still win.
Is Currie in his corner?
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Brownie will still win.
Is Currie in his corner?
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I think those billionaires in wichita might be.
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What is daily kos?
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I think Brownback is going to have a dogfight on his hands.
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:love:
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http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=40dc3a26-36e4-4819-9dd4-21417e3bf71d&c=12
This is interesting. In this poll, Brownback only has 59% of the republican vote. Even more surprising, Brownback is winning among cell phone users, while Davis leads among landlines.
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:love:
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Good to see Toby from The Office is now trying his hand in politics.
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http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=40dc3a26-36e4-4819-9dd4-21417e3bf71d&c=12
This is interesting. In this poll, Brownback only has 59% of the republican vote. Even more surprising, Brownback is winning among cell phone users, while Davis leads among landlines.
The oldsters on the landlines heard the name Docking and said "Oh yes :cyclist:, I vote for Docking", thinking Bob is running again.
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paul davis is a stud. he's been a friend and colleague of mine for a few years now. he's a pretty moderate democrat. we've been telling him he's an idiot for being in politics in kansas, but he'd make a great governor.
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paul davis is a stud. he's been a friend and colleague of mine for a few years now. he's a pretty moderate democrat. we've been telling him he's an idiot for being in politics in kansas, but he'd make a great governor.
Can he win, though?
I just don't know.
Maybe he can.
I'm sure that's his plan.
Is he out raising money,
Or sitting at home eating honey?
Brownback has his feet on his desk, sipping on coke,
His fundraising is taken care of, thanks to the brothers Koch.
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paul davis is a stud. he's been a friend and colleague of mine for a few years now. he's a pretty moderate democrat. we've been telling him he's an idiot for being in politics in kansas, but he'd make a great governor.
#fanningbrag
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paul davis is a stud. he's been a friend and colleague of mine for a few years now. he's a pretty moderate democrat. we've been telling him he's an idiot for being in politics in kansas, but he'd make a great governor.
#fanningbrag
yeah. pretty shameless one at that.
but it would be pretty badass to have a couple beers and a round of golf with the governor.
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Would rather a cushy appointment where you only have to show up a third of the time and still pull six figs.
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pretty cool rams
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paul davis is a stud. he's been a friend and colleague of mine for a few years now. he's a pretty moderate democrat. we've been telling him he's an idiot for being in politics in kansas, but he'd make a great governor.
#fanningbrag
yeah. pretty shameless one at that.
but it would be pretty badass to have a couple beers and a round of golf with the governor.
only if the gov isn't a dick.
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Msnbc :Woot:
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#science
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Polls don't lie, man.
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Maybe Kansas isn't beyond hope.
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Polls don't lie, man.
Bro, you watch msnbc.
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Maybe Kansas isn't beyond hope.
Kansas isn't hurting thread?
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The poll by Rasmussen, whose surveys have traditionally tilted slightly Republican, showed Brownback at 47 percent and Davis, the Kansas House minority leader from Lawrence, at 40 percent.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/22/4974743/new-poll-shows-brownback-leading.html#storylink=cpy
I find it odd that msnbc would be recycling months old polling data, wait no I dont.
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The poll by Rasmussen, whose surveys have traditionally tilted slightly Republican, showed Brownback at 47 percent and Davis, the Kansas House minority leader from Lawrence, at 40 percent.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/22/4974743/new-poll-shows-brownback-leading.html#storylink=cpy
I find it odd that msnbc would be recycling months old polling data, wait no I dont.
Did you quit reading?
But there have been polls showing Brownback as unpopular and even trailing Davis, who still is relatively unknown compared with the incumbent.
A poll of 886 Kansas voters by Public Policy Polling, which leans Democratic, earlier this month found Davis leading Brownback 45 percent to 41 percent. Fourteen percent were undecided.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/22/4974743/new-poll-shows-brownback-leading.html#storylink=cpy
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heckuva job brownie!
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The PPP poll is the one that's months old, you troglodyte
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The PPP poll is the one that's months old, you troglodyte
Months old or "earlier this month" as the article states?
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The PPP poll is the one that's months old, you troglodyte
Months old or "earlier this month" as the article states?
Why don't you go to the donkey's mouth (ppp website) and find out.
#lowinfovoter
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The PPP poll is the one that's months old, you troglodyte
Months old or "earlier this month" as the article states?
Why don't you go to the donkey's mouth (ppp website) and find out.
#lowinfovoter
Because the article said earlier in the month. The article was written on April 22. So that means that the PPP poll cited came from earlier in the month of April. Just wanted to clarify since you think it's from January apparently.
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Because the article said
Confirmed dumbass. Real bulls eye for msnbc.
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Because the article said
Confirmed dumbass. Real bulls eye for msnbc.
:lol:
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Just FYI - Rasmussen no longer "leans right." After it missed in the 2012 election cycle by underestimating the Dems' ability to turn out dumbasses to the polls, it has dramatically altered its models. In fact, Rasmussen now tilts left of many major pollsters, at least when it comes to presidential approval.
State polling this early is a complete waste if time. Let's see where things stand in September. Brownback is still the prohibitive favorite based simply on the fact that this is a midterm cycle.
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omg, :lol: at all of that
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So are we #fanningbragging about encounters with the incumbent in here too?
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The PPP poll is the one that's months old, you troglodyte
Months old or "earlier this month" as the article states?
Why don't you go to the donkey's mouth (ppp website) and find out.
#lowinfovoter
You're out of your element, Donnie.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2014/kansas/election_2014_kansas_governor
The survey of 750 Likely Voters in Kansas was conducted on April 16-17, 2014 by Rasmussen Reports.
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Just FYI - Rasmussen no longer "leans right." After it missed in the 2012 election cycle by underestimating the Dems' ability to turn out dumbasses to the polls, it has dramatically altered its models. In fact,
This is by far one of my favorite things that Republicans bring up when they lose elections. The Dems only won because they turned dumbasses (read low info voters) out to the polls. So apparently Republicans love the American system of democracy and voting, but only if you are the right kind of voter. Got it.
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Just FYI - Rasmussen no longer "leans right." After it missed in the 2012 election cycle by underestimating the Dems' ability to turn out dumbasses to the polls, it has dramatically altered its models. In fact,
This is by far one of my favorite things that Republicans bring up when they lose elections. The Dems only won because they turned dumbasses (read low info voters) out to the polls. So apparently Republicans love the American system of democracy and voting, but only if you are the right kind of voter. Got it.
Well, K-S-U doesn't speak for all Republicans, but he would like to restrict voting to property owners.
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Just FYI - Rasmussen no longer "leans right." After it missed in the 2012 election cycle by underestimating the Dems' ability to turn out dumbasses to the polls, it has dramatically altered its models. In fact,
This is by far one of my favorite things that Republicans bring up when they lose elections. The Dems only won because they turned dumbasses (read low info voters) out to the polls. So apparently Republicans love the American system of democracy and voting, but only if you are the right kind of voter. Got it.
Well, K-S-U doesn't speak for all Republicans, but he would like to restrict voting to property owners.
It's an indisputable fact that Dems kicked the GOPs collective ass in the ground game in 2012. And it's my opinion (backed by a lot of facts) that libtards are libtards. Not sue what's terribly controversial about what I said. The point remains, Rasmussen's models now reflect a more favorable electorate for Dems than many other pollsters - not less. I suspect they've over corrected, but that could be wishful thinking.
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Just FYI - Rasmussen no longer "leans right." After it missed in the 2012 election cycle by underestimating the Dems' ability to turn out dumbasses to the polls, it has dramatically altered its models. In fact,
This is by far one of my favorite things that Republicans bring up when they lose elections. The Dems only won because they turned dumbasses (read low info voters) out to the polls. So apparently Republicans love the American system of democracy and voting, but only if you are the right kind of voter. Got it.
Well, K-S-U doesn't speak for all Republicans, but he would like to restrict voting to property owners.
It's an indisputable fact that Dems kicked the GOPs collective ass in the ground game in 2012. And it's my opinion (backed by a lot of facts) that libtards are libtards. Not sue what's terribly controversial about what I said. The point remains, Rasmussen's models now reflect a more favorable electorate for Dems than many other pollsters - not less. I suspect they've over corrected, but that could be wishful thinking.
What's controversial, if you will, is that you are saying the reason the Dems beat the GOP last election cycle is because, as you put it, "dumbasses" voted. I have a sneaking suspicion if those same people would have voted for the GOP you would not call them dumbasses. You are classifying an entire group of people because they didn't vote how you wanted, so you assume they have no idea what they were doing.
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Just FYI - Rasmussen no longer "leans right." After it missed in the 2012 election cycle by underestimating the Dems' ability to turn out dumbasses to the polls, it has dramatically altered its models. In fact,
This is by far one of my favorite things that Republicans bring up when they lose elections. The Dems only won because they turned dumbasses (read low info voters) out to the polls. So apparently Republicans love the American system of democracy and voting, but only if you are the right kind of voter. Got it.
Well, K-S-U doesn't speak for all Republicans, but he would like to restrict voting to property owners.
It's an indisputable fact that Dems kicked the GOPs collective ass in the ground game in 2012. And it's my opinion (backed by a lot of facts) that libtards are libtards. Not sue what's terribly controversial about what I said. The point remains, Rasmussen's models now reflect a more favorable electorate for Dems than many other pollsters - not less. I suspect they've over corrected, but that could be wishful thinking.
What's controversial, if you will, is that you are saying the reason the Dems beat the GOP last election cycle is because, as you put it, "dumbasses" voted. I have a sneaking suspicion if those same people would have voted for the GOP you would not call them dumbasses. You are classifying an entire group of people because they didn't vote how you wanted, so you assume they have no idea what they were doing.
Right. If you voted for Obama (either time, really, but particularly in 2012), I think you're a dumbass. The more technically correct term , of course, is "libtard," which encompasses both legitimate dumbasses and perfectly intelligent closet socialists. I don't expect libtards to agree, but I wouldn't call it controversial. But libtards gonna libtard I guess.
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So are we #fanningbragging about encounters with the incumbent in here too?
Sure! I was alone with Brownie and my gf on his patio at the governor's mansion one time knocking back beers. (Thanks for the beers, Kansas taxpayers!)
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Because the article said
Confirmed dumbass. Real bulls eye for msnbc.
:lol:
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I always find it bizarre when someone, who is unquestionably proven to be wrong, continues to try and act like they weren't caught with their pants down. It's just the interwebs, bro.
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wut
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Because the article said
Confirmed dumbass. Real bulls eye for msnbc.
:lol:
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I always find it bizarre when someone, who is unquestionably proven to be wrong, continues to try and act like they weren't caught with their pants down. It's just the interwebs, bro.
so you just completely ignored the post where I went to the rasmussen website and pulled the dates the survey was conducted then?
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He tapped out.
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Because the article said
Confirmed dumbass. Real bulls eye for msnbc.
:lol:
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I always find it bizarre when someone, who is unquestionably proven to be wrong, continues to try and act like they weren't caught with their pants down. It's just the interwebs, bro.
so you just completely ignored the post where I went to the rasmussen website and pulled the dates the survey was conducted then?
Nobody is disputing the date of the Rasmussen poll, metalhead. Ell is a dumbass because he linked a graphic from msnbc recycling that's over two months ago.
Tomorrow I'll teach you both how to tie your shoes
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Yes, I posted a pic from MSNBC. I don't have a clue when that poll was taken. Then you linked this article: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/22/4974743/new-poll-shows-brownback-leading.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/22/4974743/new-poll-shows-brownback-leading.html) showing Brownback w/ a 7 point lead in 1 poll. Then I quoted a paragraph later in that same article that had a PPP poll showing Davis in the lead FROM EARLIER IN THE MONTH OF APRIL. Then you said that same PPP poll was from months ago and now continue to act like a rough ridin' dumbass.
Tomorrow I'll teach you how to read you illiterate $!#*.
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If there was a PPP poll taken in April, you and that bumble eff writer you're faithfully relying on are the only people who know about it. Which is why I directed you to the PPP website to begin with, bad person.
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Because the article said
Confirmed dumbass. Real bulls eye for msnbc.
:lol:
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I always find it bizarre when someone, who is unquestionably proven to be wrong, continues to try and act like they weren't caught with their pants down. It's just the interwebs, bro.
so you just completely ignored the post where I went to the rasmussen website and pulled the dates the survey was conducted then?
Nobody is disputing the date of the Rasmussen poll, metalhead. Ell is a dumbass because he linked a graphic from msnbc recycling that's over two months ago.
Tomorrow I'll teach you both how to tie your shoes
After you get done with that I'll teach you how to read a calendar. We can be best friends that help each other learn life skills!
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Metalhead, it think we should do welding together.
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Metalhead, it think we should do welding together.
This is something that I know how to do. If you would like to learn, I can help!
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Metalhead, it think we should do welding together.
This is something that I know how to do. If you would like to learn, I can help!
ugh, welding is the worst
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Metalhead, it think we should do welding together.
This is something that I know how to do. If you would like to learn, I can help!
ugh, welding is the worst
Mr. Brading was a great shop teacher, though!
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Apparently, the State's bond rating was just lowered by Moody's, primarily due to a 45% decrease in State Rev.
So, that sounds good before an election.
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Apparently, the State's bond rating was just lowered by Moody's, primarily due to a 45% decrease in State Rev.
So, that sounds good before an election.
http://www.kansas.com/2014/04/30/3431703/kansas-revenues-off-92-million.html
Rep. Pete DeGraaf, R-Mulvane, summed up the Republican stance poetically.
“There are a natural consequences for being in an ocean, in a sea, that belongs to Obama,” he said.
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Do you guys think the federal government might bail us out?
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Do you guys think the federal government might bail us out?
Probably, but on condition a lib gets to run the state.
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What are the shortfalls in other states?
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What are the shortfalls in other states?
It's not the shortfall necessarily that caused the downgrade - its that Kansas doesn't currently have a mechanism in place to replace the lost revenue after the promised economic growth didn't materialize.
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Do you guys think the federal government might bail us out?
Probably, but on condition a lib gets to run the state.
States run by liberals are in much better shape.
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What are the shortfalls in other states?
It's not the shortfall necessarily that caused the downgrade - its that Kansas doesn't currently have a mechanism in place to replace the lost revenue after the promised economic growth didn't materialize.
That was pretty stupid of Brownback to promise an increase in economic growth and revenue within the first two years of phasing in tax reductions. Can't believe he promised that. He did promise that, right?
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:D
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Jfc we deserve it all
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Apparently, the State's bond rating was just lowered by Moody's, primarily due to a 45% decrease in State Rev.
So, that sounds good before an election.
45% CNS???
They don't call this place facepalmcity for nothing
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http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/05/06/kansas-bond-rating-cut-over-sharply-lower-revenues/ (http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/05/06/kansas-bond-rating-cut-over-sharply-lower-revenues/)
"Moody’s Investors Service last week chopped Kansas’s bond rating from Aa1 to Aa2, its third-highest rating. The change came after state budget officials said tax revenues had dropped 45 percent from a year ago; so far this year, Kansas has taken in nearly half a billion dollars less than it did in the last fiscal year"
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They don't call this place facepalmcity for nothing
I love you fsd :D
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What are the shortfalls in other states?
It's not the shortfall necessarily that caused the downgrade - its that Kansas doesn't currently have a mechanism in place to replace the lost revenue after the promised economic growth didn't materialize.
What mechanisms do other states have?
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http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/05/06/kansas-bond-rating-cut-over-sharply-lower-revenues/ (http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/05/06/kansas-bond-rating-cut-over-sharply-lower-revenues/)
"Moody’s Investors Service last week chopped Kansas’s bond rating from Aa1 to Aa2, its third-highest rating. The change came after state budget officials said tax revenues had dropped 45 percent from a year ago; so far this year, Kansas has taken in nearly half a billion dollars less than it did in the last fiscal year"
That's purposely misleading.
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http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/05/06/kansas-bond-rating-cut-over-sharply-lower-revenues/ (http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/05/06/kansas-bond-rating-cut-over-sharply-lower-revenues/)
"Moody’s Investors Service last week chopped Kansas’s bond rating from Aa1 to Aa2, its third-highest rating. The change came after state budget officials said tax revenues had dropped 45 percent from a year ago; so far this year, Kansas has taken in nearly half a billion dollars less than it did in the last fiscal year"
That's patently false.
Moodys is known for making rash decisions based off of unfounded info.
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Moody's... What's in a name? Apparently, quite a lot, says this casual observer.
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Moody's... What's in a name? Apparently, quite a lot, says this casual observer.
Maybe next year they will be in a better mood and restore our credit.
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What are the shortfalls in other states?
It's not the shortfall necessarily that caused the downgrade - its that Kansas doesn't currently have a mechanism in place to replace the lost revenue after the promised economic growth didn't materialize.
That was pretty stupid of Brownback to promise an increase in economic growth and revenue within the first two years of phasing in tax reductions. Can't believe he promised that. He did promise that, right?
Brownback State of the State speech in Jan,
"More money, more flexibility, more learning---all paid for out of a growing economy."
"A growing economy, a responsible state government, a world class education---these are wonderful legacies."
"And again, thanks to the growing economy and the work of this Legislature, it is affordable".
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What are the shortfalls in other states?
It's not the shortfall necessarily that caused the downgrade - its that Kansas doesn't currently have a mechanism in place to replace the lost revenue after the promised economic growth didn't materialize.
That was pretty stupid of Brownback to promise an increase in economic growth and revenue within the first two years of phasing in tax reductions. Can't believe he promised that. He did promise that, right?
Brownback State of the State speech in Jan,
"More money, more flexibility, more learning---all paid for out of a growing economy."
"A growing economy, a responsible state government, a world class education---these are wonderful legacies."
"And again, thanks to the growing economy and the work of this Legislature, it is affordable".
I don't think anybody expected the national recession to continue for nearly 6 years, It takes a special leader to stretch it out this long.
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Gov makes drastic tax changes. State rev drastically drops. Thanks, Obama!
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What are the shortfalls in other states?
It's not the shortfall necessarily that caused the downgrade - its that Kansas doesn't currently have a mechanism in place to replace the lost revenue after the promised economic growth didn't materialize.
That was pretty stupid of Brownback to promise an increase in economic growth and revenue within the first two years of phasing in tax reductions. Can't believe he promised that. He did promise that, right?
Brownback State of the State speech in Jan,
"More money, more flexibility, more learning---all paid for out of a growing economy."
"A growing economy, a responsible state government, a world class education---these are wonderful legacies."
"And again, thanks to the growing economy and the work of this Legislature, it is affordable".
I don't think anybody expected the national recession to continue for nearly 6 years, It takes a special leader to stretch it out this long.
Other states have rebounded and are doing fine, what's the matter with Kansas?
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What are the shortfalls in other states?
It's not the shortfall necessarily that caused the downgrade - its that Kansas doesn't currently have a mechanism in place to replace the lost revenue after the promised economic growth didn't materialize.
That was pretty stupid of Brownback to promise an increase in economic growth and revenue within the first two years of phasing in tax reductions. Can't believe he promised that. He did promise that, right?
Brownback State of the State speech in Jan,
"More money, more flexibility, more learning---all paid for out of a growing economy."
"A growing economy, a responsible state government, a world class education---these are wonderful legacies."
"And again, thanks to the growing economy and the work of this Legislature, it is affordable".
I don't think anybody expected the national recession to continue for nearly 6 years, It takes a special leader to stretch it out this long.
Other states have rebounded and are doing fine, what's the matter with Kansas?
frankly, I think Tom has covered a lot of it already.
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What are the shortfalls in other states?
It's not the shortfall necessarily that caused the downgrade - its that Kansas doesn't currently have a mechanism in place to replace the lost revenue after the promised economic growth didn't materialize.
That was pretty stupid of Brownback to promise an increase in economic growth and revenue within the first two years of phasing in tax reductions. Can't believe he promised that. He did promise that, right?
Brownback State of the State speech in Jan,
"More money, more flexibility, more learning---all paid for out of a growing economy."
"A growing economy, a responsible state government, a world class education---these are wonderful legacies."
"And again, thanks to the growing economy and the work of this Legislature, it is affordable".
I don't think anybody expected the national recession to continue for nearly 6 years, It takes a special leader to stretch it out this long.
Other states have rebounded and are doing fine, what's the matter with Kansas?
Which states are rebounding?
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Which states are rebounding?
ours.
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/gsp_newsrelease.htm
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That west coast is a hot piece of growth ass
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Texas and North Dakota hauling ass. LOL at the Northeast.
Wonder what 2013 looked like? We know GDP growth 1Q14 was an abysmal .1%. When growth would decelerate while W was president the left would declare a recession.
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dunno if this is a stable link. if not, move to 2013 and gsp. ca @ 2.3, ks @ 1.0.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/compare_state_spending_2013pZ0c
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Jerry Brown just being a huge boss right now while Brownback poops all over the place.
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dunno if this is a stable link. if not, move to 2013 and gsp. ca @ 2.3, ks @ 1.0.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/compare_state_spending_2013pZ0c
1.9% average :Yuck:
Welcome to Obamastan
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What can KS learn from CA to help it grow its economy?
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We didn't cut enough taxes or social programs.
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I bet this is all Obamacare's fault.
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Well, at least KU can say it has the same credit rating as the state of Kansas now.
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What can KS learn from CA to help it grow its economy?
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Per that website, Kansas outpaced Cali by an average of 2% from 08 through 11. I guess when you don't ride the lows you don't have to try and catch up from way behind.
Of course govt. spending is a component of GDP so the more the state spends the better it looks GDPwise, even if the poor are starving, and the middle class is out of work and out of a home
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Per that website, Kansas outpaced Cali by an average of 2% from 08 through 11. I guess when you don't ride the lows you don't have to try and catch up from way behind.
Of course govt. spending is a component of GDP so the more the state spends the better it looks GDPwise, even if the poor are starving, and the middle class is out of work and out of a home
nice job whoever the governor was from 2008-2011.
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Cali current UE rate 8.7% and foreclosure rate 1 in every 940
Kansas current UE rate 5.6% and foreclosure rate 1 in every 2760
Go Cali go! :love:
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Sebelius really laid nice ground work for the tough times.
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Cali current UE rate 8.7% and foreclosure rate 1 in every 940
Kansas current UE rate 5.6% and foreclosure rate 1 in every 2760
Go Cali go! :love:
Yet they still are more than doubling our economic growth.
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Cost of living: CA v. KS
Housing 288% more
Groceries 34% more
Transportation 17% more
Health Care 21% more
:love:
No jobs and living in a 450 sq/ft section 8 hovel! What a place! Prosperity!
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:D
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What can KS learn from CA to help it grow its economy?
Add an ocean and better weather.
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Per that website, Kansas outpaced Cali by an average of 2% from 08 through 11. I guess when you don't ride the lows you don't have to try and catch up from way behind.
Of course govt. spending is a component of GDP so the more the state spends the better it looks GDPwise, even if the poor are starving, and the middle class is out of work and out of a home
nice job whoever the governor was from 2008-2011.
Good question, glad to help facilitate some critical thinking.
08 Sebelius .8%
09 Sebelius/Parkinson -3.2%
10 Parkinson/Brownback 2.6%
11 Brownback 3.2%
To be fair to the Brownbacksidehurt crowd, California is about as weak a comparable as any state. So even when Sebelius was rough ridin' up Kansas, things still looked good compared to that shithole. For a real salty comparable look to Texas or North Dakota.
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At no point in 2010 was Sam Brownback governor of Kansas.
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Revenues down 45% in one year? Holy crap
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Revenues down 45% in one year? Holy crap
Well, the tax rate was lowered by 33% (dropped from 6% to 4%), and the tax on LLCs was dropped to zero. The economy would have to get a pretty big boost to offset that. It looks like it didn't get any boost at all. Thanks, Obama.
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/05/10/5014648/kansas-tax-revenues-fall-while.html
OBAMA!!!!!!
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/05/10/5014648/kansas-tax-revenues-fall-while.html
OBAMA!!!!!!
Joe Henchman, vice president of state projects for the conservative-leaning Tax Foundation
Joe the Plumber must have been busy, so they went and got Joe the Henchman instead.
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Welocme to Brownbackistan, Obamastan. We're doing better than California.
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Where a $92 million dollar shortfall on $14.6 billion budgets equals a 45% reduction in gross revenue.
#brownbacksidehurt
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Where a $92 million dollar shortfall on $14.6 billion budgets equals a 45% reduction in gross revenue.
#brownbacksidehurt
The state is currently $463,931,168 behind where they were at the end of April 2013 in total receipts. That's only a 9% drop. The 45% was for the month of April 2014 vs April 2013.
http://budget.ks.gov/cre.htm
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Brownback is trying to entice business to come to Kansas by lowering the tax burden in order to increase tax base. 1 year isn't long enough to know whether it will work or not. Let's face it, it's going to take a lot to get companies and manufacturers to set up shop in Kansas.
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Brownback is trying to entice business to come to Kansas by lowering the tax burden in order to increase tax base. 1 year isn't long enough to know whether it will work or not. Let's face it, it's going to take a lot to get companies and manufacturers to set up shop in Kansas.
It's been almost two years now.
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Let's face it, it's going to take a lot to get companies and manufacturers to set up shop in Kansas.
Yes, especially when you're trying to pass things like we see in the Brownback Mountain thread.
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Let's face it, it's going to take a lot to get companies and manufacturers to set up shop in Kansas.
Yes, especially when you're trying to pass things like we see in the Brownback Mountain thread.
Probably true, but depends on the business and owner, I suppose.
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Revenues down 45% in one year? Holy crap
Well, the tax rate was lowered by 33% (dropped from 6% to 4%), and the tax on LLCs was dropped to zero. The economy would have to get a pretty big boost to offset that. It looks like it didn't get any boost at all. Thanks, Obama.
According to the article, the reduction was largely caused (and budgeted for) by the "fiscal cliff" a consequence of the Obama tax hikes for 2013.
I would assume this consequence isn't exclusive to Kansas, and other states are experiencing similar revenue declines.
Also, Kansas experienced gdp growth despite reductions in government spending, so your "not any at all" is just more pathetic Brownbacksidehurt
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By way of example, Cali budgeted for over $3 billion in lost income tax revenue from 2012 to 2013, and that included increased income tax rates. Not sure why the article was so deliberately misleading. Probably some big time Brownbacksidehurt
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These are the 10 states that saw revenue declines in the first half of the current fiscal year, which started July 1.
Alaska 31.9 percent
Kansas 7.3 percent
New Hampshire 6.4 percent
Arizona 5.2 percent
Kentucky 2.9 percent
Oklahoma 1.9 percent
Wyoming 1.3 percent
Delaware 0.9 percent
West Virginia 0.6 percent
New York 0.1 percent
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Kansas UE down to 4.8%. WOW
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Revenues were $217 million below projections in May.
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Revenues were $217 million below projections in May.
I'm surprised they've already recouped $257 million of the $464 million shortfall from April. Well done, Sam.
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Revenues were $217 million below projections in May.
I'm surprised they've already recouped $257 million of the $464 million shortfall from April. Well done, Sam.
The $464 million figure was 2013 vs 2014. The projected figure, which is used to set the state budget, only saw a $92 million shortfall. Things are getting worse, not better. Revenues in May are not down $257 million from last year. That is how much they missed projections by. A few more months of this and the state is going to come up a billion dollars short next fiscal year.
http://m.cjonline.com/news/2014-05-30/state-revenue-dips-217m-below-estimate-may
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McKee, the sky is not falling. Just yesterday, I heard on the radio that the state doesn't expect the shortfalls to continue after May.
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McKee, the sky is not falling. Just yesterday, I heard on the radio that the state doesn't expect the shortfalls to continue after May.
Oh, well that's good.
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Radio didn't say if that expectation was from the same portion of the govt that made the failing projections or not, but you should definitely feel relieved.
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Revenues were $217 million below projections in May.
I'm surprised they've already recouped $257 million of the $464 million shortfall from April. Well done, Sam.
The $464 million figure was 2013 vs 2014. The projected figure, which is used to set the state budget, only saw a $92 million shortfall. Things are getting worse, not better. Revenues in May are not down $257 million from last year. That is how much they missed projections by. A few more months of this and the state is going to come up a billion dollars short next fiscal year.
http://m.cjonline.com/news/2014-05-30/state-revenue-dips-217m-below-estimate-may
The fiscal year ends next month. I don't think a 1% miss in revenue projections implicates billions of dollars of shortfall in subsequent years. Its actually not bad considering the pathetic economic conditions nationwide, including GDP contraction of 1% 1Q. But, please continue projecting your Brownbacksidehurt on the blog, it's good rhetoric.
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Revenues were $217 million below projections in May.
I'm surprised they've already recouped $257 million of the $464 million shortfall from April. Well done, Sam.
The $464 million figure was 2013 vs 2014. The projected figure, which is used to set the state budget, only saw a $92 million shortfall. Things are getting worse, not better. Revenues in May are not down $257 million from last year. That is how much they missed projections by. A few more months of this and the state is going to come up a billion dollars short next fiscal year.
http://m.cjonline.com/news/2014-05-30/state-revenue-dips-217m-below-estimate-may
The fiscal year ends next month. I don't think a 1% miss in revenue projections implicates billions of dollars of shortfall in subsequent years. Its actually not bad considering the pathetic economic conditions nationwide, including GDP contraction of 1% 1Q. But, please continue projecting your Brownbacksidehurt on the blog, it's good rhetoric.
Yeah, I said next fiscal year. Coming up more than $300 million short during the first 3 or 4 months of the next fiscal year would put us on pace to come up about a billion dollars short, even if things get better and we start hitting predicted revenues.
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Since we've taken two large steps into conjecture, conversely if revenues came in $300 million ahead of projections in the first few months of next fiscal year we'd be looking at billions of dollars of surplus.
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Would be pretty pissed if the state over taxed us to the tune of a Bill. Seems like we should be shooting for even...
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Would be pretty pissed if the state over taxed us to the tune of a Bill. Seems like we should be shooting for even...
Yeah, I mean if they would just stop thinking that taxing people at 4% instead of 6% is going to create some super utopia of jobs and revenues and start making realistic predictions, they would spend less, not wreck our credit, and not necessitate tax hikes in the near future to pay off the oncoming debt.
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Would be pretty pissed if the state over taxed us to the tune of a Bill. Seems like we should be shooting for even...
Yeah, I mean if they would just stop thinking that taxing people at 4% instead of 6% is going to create some super utopia of jobs and revenues and start making realistic predictions, they would spend less, not wreck our credit, and not necessitate tax hikes in the near future to pay off the oncoming debt.
You must have been inflamed when Sebelius and Parkinson ran that $600 million deficit that drained the state's coffers and necessitated the sales tax hike.
I bet your blood boils over the thought that Kansas’s $217 million shortfall equals approximately 15 minutes of federal deficit spending.
You're both correct though, budgeting $14.6 billion is a cake walk. No reason not to hit projections down to the cent. Does it bother you that the State budgeted for a surplus, obviating your concerns of tax increases?
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Would be pretty pissed if the state over taxed us to the tune of a Bill. Seems like we should be shooting for even...
Yeah, I mean if they would just stop thinking that taxing people at 4% instead of 6% is going to create some super utopia of jobs and revenues and start making realistic predictions, they would spend less, not wreck our credit, and not necessitate tax hikes in the near future to pay off the oncoming debt.
You must have been inflamed when Sebelius and Parkinson ran that $600 million deficit that drained the state's coffers and necessitated the sales tax hike.
I bet your blood boils over the thought that Kansas’s $217 million shortfall equals approximately 15 minutes of federal deficit spending.
You're both correct though, budgeting $14.6 billion is a cake walk. No reason not to hit projections down to the cent. Does it bother you that the State budgeted for a surplus, obviating your concerns of tax increases?
We just missed the projection for 1 month by $217 million.
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I am all for hitting them on the cent. That sounds good. Let's do that. :driving:
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Why are we worried about budgets, taxes, and stuff? Just spend whatever and don't worry about it 'cause someone will pay for it all later .
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Why are we worried about budgets, taxes, and stuff? Just spend whatever and don't worry about it 'cause someone will pay for it all later .
Our credit isn't any better than KU's, so we aren't going to be able to borrow our way out of this. :frown:
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Why are we worried about budgets, taxes, and stuff? Just spend whatever and don't worry about it 'cause someone will pay for it all later .
Well we can't print our own money and we are legally required to balance our budget, so deficits are a bit more of an issue.
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Why are we worried about budgets, taxes, and stuff? Just spend whatever and don't worry about it 'cause someone will pay for it all later .
Well we can't print our own money and we are legally required to balance our budget, so deficits are a bit more of an issue.
I know, it's just funny when liberals talk about fiscal responsibility. Totally tounge in cheek.
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Why are we worried about budgets, taxes, and stuff? Just spend whatever and don't worry about it 'cause someone will pay for it all later .
Well we can't print our own money and we are legally required to balance our budget, so deficits are a bit more of an issue.
I know, it's just funny when liberals talk about fiscal responsibility. Totally tounge in cheek.
Well, the conservatives seem to be doing a fantastic job of balancing the Kansas budget.
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Why are we worried about budgets, taxes, and stuff? Just spend whatever and don't worry about it 'cause someone will pay for it all later .
Well we can't print our own money and we are legally required to balance our budget, so deficits are a bit more of an issue.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
Last I checked the State budget is balanced with room to spare, so I'm not sure why the feigned concern. Meanwhile the federal government is boasting of the demand for the bonds it is forced to buy, and is so grossly mismanaged we have vets dying in line for a doctor and can't even pull off a medieval prisoner swap.
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Money isn't really real today anyway :dunno:
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Money isn't really real today anyway :dunno:
This is sort of a variation of a Paulism.
Sadly, for fiat currency, if people stop giving it credibility it begins to no longer exist.
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Juggalo currency!
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Juggalo currency!
Do tell!
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Juggalo currency!
Do tell!
http://juggalocoin.org/ (http://juggalocoin.org/)
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http://www.kansas.com/2014/06/06/3496739/economist-kansas-leaders-misrepresented.html (http://www.kansas.com/2014/06/06/3496739/economist-kansas-leaders-misrepresented.html)
Analyst: Kansas leaders misrepresented research into cause of state tax revenue drop
Lucy Dadayan, a policy analyst with the Rockefeller Institute of Government, says the revenue department misrepresented her research about state tax revenue and that Kansas could be forced to make cuts in the near future.
“Kansas has been affected by this one-time 2013 tax year event. This is evidenced by a 47 percent drop in April and May payments attributed primarily to capital gains,” the Department of Revenue said in its release.
But the report tells a significantly different story for Kansas, one of six states to experience a double-digit percentage decline in personal income tax revenue.
“The large declines in Delaware, Kansas, and North Dakota are mostly attributable to the legislative changes that cut income tax rates as well as restructured tax brackets,” the report states.
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http://www.kansas.com/2014/06/06/3496739/economist-kansas-leaders-misrepresented.html (http://www.kansas.com/2014/06/06/3496739/economist-kansas-leaders-misrepresented.html)
Analyst: Kansas leaders misrepresented research into cause of state tax revenue drop
Lucy Dadayan, a policy analyst with the Rockefeller Institute of Government, says the revenue department misrepresented her research about state tax revenue and that Kansas could be forced to make cuts in the near future.
“Kansas has been affected by this one-time 2013 tax year event. This is evidenced by a 47 percent drop in April and May payments attributed primarily to capital gains,” the Department of Revenue said in its release.
But the report tells a significantly different story for Kansas, one of six states to experience a double-digit percentage decline in personal income tax revenue.
“The large declines in Delaware, Kansas, and North Dakota are mostly attributable to the legislative changes that cut income tax rates as well as restructured tax brackets,” the report states.
Has Supply Side Economics worked ever? It might work in a vacuum, But when you dont control the money supply its quite the gamble, since youre not able to swollow the deficits.
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big budget cuts sound like a pretty good re-elect campaign, unless you are making such cuts because you flubbed the rev projection, that is.
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Some earth shattering investigative journalism right there. Thanks for staying on top of the story CNS
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Anything for The Pit.
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SCHOOLS! :Woohoo:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpvpost.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2FDavis_Docking.jpg&hash=fb95d399d60965dce4d5d25b8b668628e8d37ae9)
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http://www.vox.com/2014/7/8/5868717/sam-brownback-kansas-tax-cut
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I hope Davis runs on reversing Brownback's tax cuts. That should work well for him.
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I can't wait to pay for brownback's dumbass plan and paul davis' even dumber plan that "fixes" it.
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Battle of 2 dumbasses. I may have to vote against Brownback just because he won't own up to being a doofus
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/opinion/kansas-ruinous-tax-cuts.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/opinion/kansas-ruinous-tax-cuts.html?_r=0)
“Our new pro-growth tax policy will be like a shot of adrenaline into the heart of the Kansas economy,” he wrote in 2012. “It will pave the way to the creation of tens of thousands of new jobs, bring tens of thousands of people to Kansas, and help make our state the best place in America to start and grow a small business.”
But the growth didn’t show up. Kansas, in fact, was one of only five states to lose employment over the last six months, while the rest of the country was improving. It has been below the national average in job gains for the three and half years Mr. Brownback has been in office. Average earnings in the state are down since 2012, and so is net growth in the number of registered businesses.
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You're such an America hating socialist CNS. /k-s-u & fake
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Nice job as usual Kansas, you idiot
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/opinion/kansas-ruinous-tax-cuts.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/opinion/kansas-ruinous-tax-cuts.html?_r=0)
“Our new pro-growth tax policy will be like a shot of adrenaline into the heart of the Kansas economy,” he wrote in 2012. “It will pave the way to the creation of tens of thousands of new jobs, bring tens of thousands of people to Kansas, and help make our state the best place in America to start and grow a small business.”
But the growth didn’t show up. Kansas, in fact, was one of only five states to lose employment over the last six months, while the rest of the country was improving. It has been below the national average in job gains for the three and half years Mr. Brownback has been in office. Average earnings in the state are down since 2012, and so is net growth in the number of registered businesses.
What a pathetic and mis-informative article written by a pathetic newspaper.
"Although jobs are the highest they've ever been, in this one brief window of time (when gdp declined almost 3%) they paused, therefore the entire plan is a failure. We chose not to compare kansas to other states over the time period since the cuts were implemented because that would provide evidence inconsistent with our agenda."
I also enjoyed the obligatory "these taxes only helped the rich" even though all two brackets were cut and the top bracket starts at aristocratic $15k.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/opinion/kansas-ruinous-tax-cuts.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/opinion/kansas-ruinous-tax-cuts.html?_r=0)
“Our new pro-growth tax policy will be like a shot of adrenaline into the heart of the Kansas economy,” he wrote in 2012. “It will pave the way to the creation of tens of thousands of new jobs, bring tens of thousands of people to Kansas, and help make our state the best place in America to start and grow a small business.”
But the growth didn’t show up. Kansas, in fact, was one of only five states to lose employment over the last six months, while the rest of the country was improving. It has been below the national average in job gains for the three and half years Mr. Brownback has been in office. Average earnings in the state are down since 2012, and so is net growth in the number of registered businesses.
What a pathetic and mis-informative article written by a pathetic newspaper.
"Although jobs are the highest they've ever been, in this one brief window of time (when gdp declined almost 3%) they paused, therefore the entire plan is a failure. We chose not to compare kansas to other states over the time period since the cuts were implemented because that would provide evidence inconsistent with our agenda."
I also enjoyed the obligatory "these taxes only helped the rich" even though all two brackets were cut and the top bracket starts at aristocratic $15k.
Thoughts on the thought that the reserve fund will be nearly emptied by next yr?
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I read Kansas ran a $25 million surplus this past year. I would imagine they'll budget for the same. Hopefully they'll hit it. If not, that is bad.
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I read Kansas ran a $25 million surplus this past year. I would imagine they'll budget for the same. Hopefully they'll hit it. If not, that is bad.
<-$338M> vs +$25M is one hell of a discrepancy(whoever is incorrect).
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I read Kansas ran a $25 million surplus this past year. I would imagine they'll budget for the same. Hopefully they'll hit it. If not, that is bad.
<-$338M> vs +$25M is one hell of a discrepancy(whoever is incorrect).
The former is a couple months of comparing revenues collected versus projected, and has been used to mislead the general public into thinking the state is flat broke.
The latter is the difference between revenues actually collected against actual expenditures for fiscal year 2014. It's how much money the state is hording from the public.
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Sounds like Sam needs to lower taxes more, I'm voting him out
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Scott Morgan said something about being in Wichita over the weekend and that there is a push for an elimination of income tax, but a push for a 23% sales tax across the board, including home sales?
Is this true?
If that's the case, I'd have to leave Kansas because I'd be paying income tax in MO (since that's where I work) and 23% sales tax in Kansas.
Surely, that can't be right. Increasing income taxes doesn't decrease your motivation to get a job, but 23% sales tax does decrease your motivation to buy, you know, stuff.
I have left Wichita and the Tea Party love fest. They love Kobach and have great concerns about me saying voting is a right not a privilege. The whole thing was to push replacing all income tax with a 23% across the board sales tax including on home sales. I didn't even know that was what the Secretary of State does. Oh wait, it isn't. Just another issue in which Kobach inserts himself. I was invited so they could use a WSU facility for free.
So many things to cover but let me say I did not walk out of there with many votes but I do feel even stronger that Kobach must be stopped.
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I read Kansas ran a $25 million surplus this past year. I would imagine they'll budget for the same. Hopefully they'll hit it. If not, that is bad.
<-$338M> vs +$25M is one hell of a discrepancy(whoever is incorrect).
The former is a couple months of comparing revenues collected versus projected, and has been used to mislead the general public into thinking the state is flat broke.
The latter is the difference between revenues actually collected against actual expenditures for fiscal year 2014. It's how much money the state is hording from the public.
What was cut and how much?
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Scott Morgan said something about being in Wichita over the weekend and that there is a push for an elimination of income tax, but a push for a 23% sales tax across the board, including home sales?
Is this true?
If that's the case, I'd have to leave Kansas because I'd be paying income tax in MO (since that's where I work) and 23% sales tax in Kansas.
Surely, that can't be right. Increasing income taxes doesn't decrease your motivation to get a job, but 23% sales tax does decrease your motivation to buy, you know, stuff.
I have left Wichita and the Tea Party love fest. They love Kobach and have great concerns about me saying voting is a right not a privilege. The whole thing was to push replacing all income tax with a 23% across the board sales tax including on home sales. I didn't even know that was what the Secretary of State does. Oh wait, it isn't. Just another issue in which Kobach inserts himself. I was invited so they could use a WSU facility for free.
So many things to cover but let me say I did not walk out of there with many votes but I do feel even stronger that Kobach must be stopped.
Every single person in NE KS will drive to KCMO to shop for everything. KCMO is hoping like hell this happens.
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It's funny listening to libtards talk about deficits and fiscal responsibility as if they really care. :lol:
You guyz, I really think we all need to pay higher taxes in kansas. And Davis should totally run on that.
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It's funny listening to libtards talk about deficits and fiscal responsibility as if they really care. :lol:
You guyz, I really think we all need to pay higher taxes in kansas. And Davis should totally run on that.
Yeah, but conservatives like myself find this budget deficit somewhat alarming. Brownback has spent way more than he brings in. Any homeowner who makes ends meet every month knows that this is a recipe for disaster.
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I am assuming that all articles are liberal bias articles to date and that the news is just filthy with non-liberal, truth-telling-all-the-time conservative/non-bias media but that I am not seeing them across my Google News feeds. :dunno:
So far, the majority of the info that counters such liberal-loving sources is basically just FSD ITT.
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Scott Morgan said something about being in Wichita over the weekend and that there is a push for an elimination of income tax, but a push for a 23% sales tax across the board, including home sales?
Is this true?
If that's the case, I'd have to leave Kansas because I'd be paying income tax in MO (since that's where I work) and 23% sales tax in Kansas.
Surely, that can't be right. Increasing income taxes doesn't decrease your motivation to get a job, but 23% sales tax does decrease your motivation to buy, you know, stuff.
I have left Wichita and the Tea Party love fest. They love Kobach and have great concerns about me saying voting is a right not a privilege. The whole thing was to push replacing all income tax with a 23% across the board sales tax including on home sales. I didn't even know that was what the Secretary of State does. Oh wait, it isn't. Just another issue in which Kobach inserts himself. I was invited so they could use a WSU facility for free.
So many things to cover but let me say I did not walk out of there with many votes but I do feel even stronger that Kobach must be stopped.
Every single person in NE KS will drive to KCMO to shop for everything. KCMO is hoping like hell this happens.
In KC you would see the KC, MO schools get shaped up fast as every white collar worker on plaza and downtown flooded into Brookside/Waldo/Lee's Summit to live. This would kill those of us who work in Missouri but live in Kansas. Paying close to $50k on the purchase of you house would take a looooooooooooong time to make up in cutting the 5% income tax
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Yep. A tax policy change like that would be more lucrative to the ppl of KCMO than if they found plentiful and easily accessible oil.
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Aquinas would have to build a new campus
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Aquinas would have to build a new campus
Well, they are going to have to build up and not out. Land prices just got real.
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A 23% tax on home sales would make it pretty hard to leave Kansas because nobody would be willing to buy your current house from you.
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I am assuming that all articles are liberal bias articles to date and that the news is just filthy with non-liberal, truth-telling-all-the-time conservative/non-bias media but that I am not seeing them across my Google News feeds. :dunno:
So far, the majority of the info that counters such liberal-loving sources is basically just FSD ITT.
This is completely incoherent, but if I'm interpreting correctly, you need to understand the difference between lying and deliberately misleading.
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A 23% tax on home sales would make it pretty hard to leave Kansas because nobody would be willing to buy your current house from you.
In this case, KS would turn blue super fast.
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Real Estate isn't subject to sales tax you rubes. Stupid idea, regardless.
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I am assuming that all articles are liberal bias articles to date and that the news is just filthy with non-liberal, truth-telling-all-the-time conservative/non-bias media but that I am not seeing them across my Google News feeds. :dunno:
So far, the majority of the info that counters such liberal-loving sources is basically just FSD ITT.
This is completely incoherent, but if I'm interpreting correctly, you need to understand the difference between lying and deliberately misleading.
No. Post the articles that aren't lying or being deliberately misleading.
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A 23% tax on home sales would make it pretty hard to leave Kansas because nobody would be willing to buy your current house from you.
Indeed. There would be some insane short sales.
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It's funny listening to libtards talk about deficits and fiscal responsibility as if they really care. :lol:
You guyz, I really think we all need to pay higher taxes in kansas. And Davis should totally run on that.
Yeah, but conservatives like myself find this budget deficit somewhat alarming. Brownback has spent way more than he brings in. Any homeowner who makes ends meet every month knows that this is a recipe for disaster.
If Kansas indeed runs a deficit, then the simplest and most paletable solution is to cut spending. I'm glad that Brownback is pushing for Kansas to have one of the lowest tax burdens in the country. Ultimately, I believe that this will be beneficial for job growth and the Kansas economy - not to mention saving us all money in the process - but that doesn't happen overnight.
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What is an adequate timeline on
Ultimately, I believe that this will be beneficial for job growth and the Kansas economy - not to mention saving us all money in the process - but that doesn't happen overnight.
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Real Estate isn't subject to sales tax you rubes. Stupid idea, regardless.
I read Pan's posted quote to mean it would be.
It's an awful idea
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What is an adequate timeline on Ultimately, I believe that this will be beneficial for job growth and the Kansas economy - not to mention saving us all money in the process - but that doesn't happen overnight.
I don't know and don't really care. Again, worst case scenario is that we cut government spending and taxpayers pay less taxes. I'm fine with the worst case scenario, so anything else is gravy.
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Worst case scenario is that we become Mississippi'ish with shitty schools, poor infrastructure, and the move doesn't attract biz. All the while prop taxes go up regionally. Sound good?
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:billdance:
I am assuming that all articles are liberal bias articles to date and that the news is just filthy with non-liberal, truth-telling-all-the-time conservative/non-bias media but that I am not seeing them across my Google News feeds. :dunno:
So far, the majority of the info that counters such liberal-loving sources is basically just FSD ITT.
This is completely incoherent, but if I'm interpreting correctly, you need to understand the difference between lying and deliberately misleading.
No. Post the articles that aren't lying or being deliberately misleading.
Is this one of those deals whereby pointing out the deception in an article in favor of one opinion makes me a stringent supporter of the inverse of said opinion?
Whatever facts you're looking for are linked in the pit or abundantly available using the interwebs. If you choose to rely on the lazy work of a journalist trained at the university of kansas making $28k per year to guide your thought process and deliver you all the facts, well that's your prerogative.
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Worst case scenario is that we become Mississippi'ish with shitty schools, poor infrastructure, and the move doesn't attract biz. All the while prop taxes go up regionally. Sound good?
In this scenario property taxes probably didn't go up.
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FYI, I am relying on the lazy Google News service with a standing search category of The State Of Kansas.
If that Is a secret liberal trap for bias-only articles, it is news to me.
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Worst case scenario is that we become Mississippi'ish with shitty schools, poor infrastructure, and the move doesn't attract biz. All the while prop taxes go up regionally. Sound good?
In this scenario property taxes probably didn't go up.
Well, then......
Utopia?
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Worst case scenario is that we become Mississippi'ish with shitty schools, poor infrastructure, and the move doesn't attract biz. All the while prop taxes go up regionally. Sound good?
Meh, we'll see but I doubt it. Even with a conservative legislature, there's still plenty of fat in the budget. To take your school funding, for example, the amount of money spent on school administration (bureaucracy), as opposed to the actual teachers, supplies, and facilities, is ridiculous. And roads will be fine. Blue states spend much more on infrastructure and get shittier results, again because of how the money is spent/stolen. It's less a matter of how much you spend than what you spend it on.
Kansas is a great place to live. We don't have mountains or a beach, but we've got an excellent cost of living and quality of life. I fully support Brownback's initiatives to reduce our tax burden, as should most Kansans. If you get your paycheck from the state government or just have a natural liberal disposition, I can understand why you'd feel otherwise.
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Targeting two or three ppl, for earning $20k too much, per small district (most districts in KS are), is not resloving anything, fyi.
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I agree that the number of administrators in the school system seems pretty high. I don't know if it's necessary to deal with crappy legislation like NCLB or what, but there are definitely more administrators per student than there were 10 years ago. :dunno:
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I agree that the number of administrators in the school system seems pretty high. I don't know if it's necessary to deal with crappy legislation like NCLB or what, but there are definitely more administrators per student than there were 10 years ago. :dunno:
a politician should suggest consolidating all the tiny ass school districts in Kansas that are HUUUUUUGE wastes of money.
Nah, let's just cut teacher salaries instead.
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I agree that the number of administrators in the school system seems pretty high. I don't know if it's necessary to deal with crappy legislation like NCLB or what, but there are definitely more administrators per student than there were 10 years ago. :dunno:
a politician should suggest consolidating all the tiny ass school districts in Kansas that are HUUUUUUGE wastes of money.
Nah, let's just cut teacher salaries instead.
It gets suggested all the time. Those cities with the tiny schools fight tooth and nail to keep them, as they should. The school is usually the only place that draws an educated populace to live in those crappy towns. I'm not sure what can be done at the state level to get rid of them, and I'm not 100% sure it's not in Kansas' best interest to keep wasting some money on them.
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I agree that the number of administrators in the school system seems pretty high. I don't know if it's necessary to deal with crappy legislation like NCLB or what, but there are definitely more administrators per student than there were 10 years ago. :dunno:
a politician should suggest consolidating all the tiny ass school districts in Kansas that are HUUUUUUGE wastes of money.
Nah, let's just cut teacher salaries instead.
It gets suggested all the time. Those cities with the tiny schools fight tooth and nail to keep them, as they should. The school is usually the only place that draws an educated populace to live in those crappy towns. I'm not what can be done at the state level to get rid of them, and I'm not 100% sure it's not in Kansas' best interest to keep wasting some money on them.
I said school districts, not schools.
Still, those kids would be better served getting bused to a larger consolidated school. And quite honestly, a town that relies on a shitty high school with 20 kids to survive probably deserves to die. Free market and crap.
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http://cjonline.com/news/state/2014-07-15/more-100-gop-politicians-endorse-democrat-davis-governor
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Those RHINO fuckers obviously don't read The New American:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors/item/18685-kansas-tax-cuts-already-improving-the-state-s-economy (http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors/item/18685-kansas-tax-cuts-already-improving-the-state-s-economy)
A close look at what is happening in the Kansas City metro area is revealing: From May 2011 through May 2012 (June numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics won’t be published until July 18), almost three-fourths of job growth took place in Kansas City, Kansas. What’s even more impressive, however, is that Kansas City, Kansas has one-fourth the population of Kansas City, Missouri: 145,000 compared to 476,000. As Will Upton modestly concluded in his blog at Americans for Tax Reform, “It is arguable that the 2012 spike [in employment on the Kansas side of town] was caused by businesses anticipating a better tax climate in Kansas after the 2012 tax cuts.”
One personal note on the small biz friendliness of Our Guy Sam: our company has been audited twice in the last 8 months by KS. Our acct said that this is happening all over her client sheet. KS is getting super aggressive in number of audits on KS biz, according to her. So, the friend of small biz is doing us a big favor by cutting taxes and then doing their best to Ruffie us at the after party. If sam wants to do small biz a favor, uncomplicate the tax laws and leave us alone.
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@KansasGOP has been pretty good today.
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Kansas is No. 5 Pro-Business State (http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article741944.html)
What's the fluttering I hear - must be all the jobs flocking their way towards Kansas. Welcome friends!
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http://ksn.com/2014/07/24/ksn-news-poll-still-shows-davis-ahead-of-brownback-in-race-for-governor/ (http://ksn.com/2014/07/24/ksn-news-poll-still-shows-davis-ahead-of-brownback-in-race-for-governor/)
WICHITA, Kansas — There are only three months remaining until the November election, and the KSN News Poll conducted exclusively for KSN-TV by SurveyUSA still shows Kansas Governor Sam Brownback losing to his Democratic challenger, Paul Davis.
In that race, Davis leads Brownback 48% to 40% with a margin of error of +/- 2.9%.
SurveyUSA interviewed 2,400 Kansan adults from July 17 – 22. Of those, 2,079 were registered to vote. Of the number of people registered, 1,208 voters were determined to be likely to vote in the General Election on November 4.
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KSN-TV = liberal rag
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basically all of the world is laughing about how horribly brownback's scheme has gone. if he is re-elected then this state truly is hopeless.
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I agree that the number of administrators in the school system seems pretty high. I don't know if it's necessary to deal with crappy legislation like NCLB or what, but there are definitely more administrators per student than there were 10 years ago. :dunno:
a politician should suggest consolidating all the tiny ass school districts in Kansas that are HUUUUUUGE wastes of money.
Nah, let's just cut teacher salaries instead.
Wage war on school children? !?!? Not the best political strategy
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If I had to lay a bet, I'd still bet on brownback. He isn't even campaigning yet and will no doubt have a war chest that dwarfs the rolling school bus.
That poll was all sorts of weird. Davis owns the 60+ demographic while brownback destroys him on the youngsters????
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Based on the constituency a rock (any rock) with the phrase Republican underneath it should win KS v. the very best Democrat the party could throw at the election 100% of the time. The fact that this is even a thing is like a mirror of the KU Football Is Hurting thread but KU is Brownback.
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Based on the constituency a rock (any rock) with the phrase Republican underneath it should win KS v. the very best Democrat the party could throw at the election 100% of the time. The fact that this is even a thing is like a mirror of the KU Football Is Hurting thread but KU is Brownback.
Kansas electing a Democrat governor isn't uncommon. Now electing a Democrat senator, that's a rare bird.
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Good point
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I love how all of KSU's claims have no basis in reality.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/kansas/kansas-overview/
Roads: C+
Bridges: D+
I mean Ds get degrees right!
Look at the tax burden for Kansas....I mean middle of the road?!?! who does that!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_tax_levels_in_the_United_States
Good thing Brownie is slashing that overly burdensome middle of the road policy.
What about pro-business policies you say?
oh wait...
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-surprise-probusiness-20140506-column.html
More rag info from Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/best-states-for-business/list/
Who does love being 44 in growth prospectus?!
Oh wait, you mean business are leaving the state or not getting started because Brownback and his cronies are destroying the health of the state?
http://www.statedatalab.org/state_data_and_comparisons/detail/kansas
Its almost as if his economic advisers haven't even taken Econ 101.
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Edna, nobody is clicking those links. :zzz:
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Edna is really down on Kansas... But you know what will fix all of Kansas's problems? Some good tax and spend liberal governance, that's what. :jerk:
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Based on the constituency a rock (any rock) with the phrase Republican underneath it should win KS v. the very best Democrat the party could throw at the election 100% of the time. The fact that this is even a thing is like a mirror of the KU Football Is Hurting thread but KU is Brownback.
Kansas electing a Democrat governor isn't uncommon. Now electing a Democrat senator, that's a rare bird.
That's true, but Davis winning in this particular national midterm would be pretty shocking.
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Edna, nobody is clicking those links. :zzz:
sorry for trying to provide facts :nono: :frown:
CN: Brownbackistan since 2012 has become a shithole that no business want to come to.
Edna is really down on Kansas... But you know what will fix all of Kansas's problems? Some good tax and spend liberal governance, that's what. :jerk:
Yeah all that spending we did under Graves or Sibelius when the state was actually growing and had money for schools, roads, and other socialist pieces of terrorism.
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Edna, nobody is clicking those links. :zzz:
sorry for trying to provide facts :nono: :frown:
CN: Brownbackistan since 2012 has become a shithole that no business want to come to.
Edna is really down on Kansas... But you know what will fix all of Kansas's problems? Some good tax and spend liberal governance, that's what. :jerk:
Yeah all that spending we did under Graves or Sibelius when the state was actually growing and had money for schools, roads, and other socialist pieces of terrorism.
Yes, Sebelius and Graves clearly had much better economic policies and that's why KS prospered in the 90s and early 2000s, and Brownback clearly tanked the KS economy in 2008. This and no other reason. That damned Brownback and all his anti-business policies!! :shakesfist:
It's times like these that I wish Sebelius were still in charge. Now that's a woman who knew how to manage things...
:lol:
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Edna, nobody is clicking those links. :zzz:
sorry for trying to provide facts :nono: :frown:
CN: Brownbackistan since 2012 has become a shithole that no business want to come to.
Edna is really down on Kansas... But you know what will fix all of Kansas's problems? Some good tax and spend liberal governance, that's what. :jerk:
Yeah all that spending we did under Graves or Sibelius when the state was actually growing and had money for schools, roads, and other socialist pieces of terrorism.
Yes, Sebelius and Graves clearly had much better economic policies and that's why KS prospered in the 90s and early 2000s, and Brownback clearly tanked the KS economy in 2008. This and no other reason. That damned Brownback and all his anti-business policies!! :shakesfist:
Why do you not give obama the same pass you give brownback
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Edna, nobody is clicking those links. :zzz:
sorry for trying to provide facts :nono: :frown:
CN: Brownbackistan since 2012 has become a shithole that no business want to come to.
Edna is really down on Kansas... But you know what will fix all of Kansas's problems? Some good tax and spend liberal governance, that's what. :jerk:
Yeah all that spending we did under Graves or Sibelius when the state was actually growing and had money for schools, roads, and other socialist pieces of terrorism.
Yes, Sebelius and Graves clearly had much better economic policies and that's why KS prospered in the 90s and early 2000s, and Brownback clearly tanked the KS economy in 2008. This and no other reason. That damned Brownback and all his anti-business policies!! :shakesfist:
It's times like these that I wish Sebelius were still in charge. Now that's a woman who knew how to manage things...
:lol:
Because one is implementing pro-business policies, while the other does everything conceivable to make it harder to do business? I dunno, just for starters...
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Edna, nobody is clicking those links. :zzz:
sorry for trying to provide facts :nono: :frown:
CN: Brownbackistan since 2012 has become a shithole that no business want to come to.
Edna is really down on Kansas... But you know what will fix all of Kansas's problems? Some good tax and spend liberal governance, that's what. :jerk:
Yeah all that spending we did under Graves or Sibelius when the state was actually growing and had money for schools, roads, and other socialist pieces of terrorism.
Yes, Sebelius and Graves clearly had much better economic policies and that's why KS prospered in the 90s and early 2000s, and Brownback clearly tanked the KS economy in 2008. This and no other reason. That damned Brownback and all his anti-business policies!! :shakesfist:
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It's times like these that I wish Sebelius were still in charge. Now that's a woman who knew how to manage things...
:lol:
Because one is implementing pro-business policies, while the other does everything conceivable to make it harder to do business? I dunno, just for starters...
So pro business they're fleeing the state! :ROFL:
And Brownines troubles have only accelerated since 2012 because of his policies, taken a nose dive in 2013, and are grinding the state's economy to a halt in 2014. But hey, I'm sure it was all those potential capital gains taxes or something. :billdance:
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Please explain the actions Brownback has taken to cause businesses to "flee the state" and "grind the state's economy to a halt." Thanks, and I'll listen off the air.
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Wow, Kansas sure does elect some $hitty gov's.
I mean really: Brownie, Kathy . . . wow, just wow.
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lol at thinking any politician really has much at all to do with jobs/the economy.
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lol wut
Democrat>Liberal>Liberal Lawrence>University of Kansas - Lawrence>HATES KSTATE
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Why would any liberal hate K-State, the K-State teaching core is filled with hardcore liberals.
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Why would any liberal hate K-State, the K-State teaching core is filled with hardcore liberals.
Most hardcore liberals I know could give a crap about what school is what. They just want to throw money at schools.
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Corporations aren't real and can't flee, only people can flee.
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lol at thinking any politician really has much at all to do with jobs/the economy.
Ya, companies would be knocking down the rough ridin' door if it weren't for brownback. :lol:
Guy A: "hey, let's move the company to kansas"
Guy B: "no, they aren't business friendly, otherwise really great idea, I would love to relocate there"
:lol:
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#5 :woot:
http://m.bizjournals.com/wichita/blog/2014/07/kansas-ranked-fifth-best-state-for-business.html?r=full
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#5 :woot:
http://m.bizjournals.com/wichita/blog/2014/07/kansas-ranked-fifth-best-state-for-business.html?r=full
Texas is pretty business friendly too. We wouldn't have oil and gas resources, a major port or a technology hub but for Gov. Perry.
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Rest easy libtard fiscal hawks:
Kansas revenue exceeds expectations after three-month shortfall
http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/morning_call/2014/08/kansas-revenue-exceeds-expectations-after-three.html?ana=e_wich_rdup&s=newsletter&ed=2014-08-01&u=11045160944f58d24b7e6e962a206e&t=1406902655
I wonder if the NYT will pick up this story as a follow-up to their scathing, "Kansas tax plan is an unmitigated dumpster fire --- see!!!!, look at the last 3 months" article.
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Rest easy libtard fiscal hawks:
Kansas revenue exceeds expectations after three-month shortfall
http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/morning_call/2014/08/kansas-revenue-exceeds-expectations-after-three.html?ana=e_wich_rdup&s=newsletter&ed=2014-08-01&u=11045160944f58d24b7e6e962a206e&t=1406902655
I wonder if the NYT will pick up this story as a follow-up to their scathing, "Kansas tax plan is an unmitigated dumpster fire --- see!!!!, look at the last 3 months" article.
That is good news. Now we just need to exceed expectations by another $337 million before the end of the year to make up for the shortfalls. If Brownback can get about halfway there by November, I will vote for him.
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lol at thinking any politician really has much at all to do with jobs/the economy.
Ya, companies would be knocking down the rough ridin' door if it weren't for brownback. :lol:
Guy A: "hey, let's move the company to kansas"
Guy B: "no, they aren't business friendly, otherwise really great idea, I would love to relocate there"
:lol:
Don't forget Guy C, who says: "yeah, I heard it's pretty hard to get an abortion there and gays can't get married, so we should definitely not move there."
This conversation is no doubt taking place in board rooms all across the country. Damned Brownback and his job-killing policies. :shakesfist: A good liberal Democrat governor will fix all this.
Here's a clue to the libtards. This is Kansas. We've got certain strengths and weaknesses. We don't have an ocean, we don't have mountains, we're not a cultural mecca. We are the heart of Flyover, USA. We can't change those things, but we make up for it with low taxes, low cost of living, and a pretty darned nice lifestyle. Don't eff this up.
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Rest easy libtard fiscal hawks:
Kansas revenue exceeds expectations after three-month shortfall
http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/morning_call/2014/08/kansas-revenue-exceeds-expectations-after-three.html?ana=e_wich_rdup&s=newsletter&ed=2014-08-01&u=11045160944f58d24b7e6e962a206e&t=1406902655
I wonder if the NYT will pick up this story as a follow-up to their scathing, "Kansas tax plan is an unmitigated dumpster fire --- see!!!!, look at the last 3 months" article.
That is good news. Now we just need to exceed expectations by another $337 million before the end of the year to make up for the shortfalls. If Brownback can get about halfway there by November, I will vote for him.
Wrong. The fiscal year ended in June with a net surplus.
The new fiscal year is off to a hot start. Go Kansas!!!! :billdance:
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Most recent CBS/NYT poll has Sam out in front by 12.
Not sure what this poll's credibility is compared to Survey USA.
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Most recent CBS/NYT poll has Sam out in front by 12.
Not sure what this poll's credibility is compared to Survey USA.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/28/qa-what-the-new-york-times-polling-decision-means/
This is actually a pretty interesting read. The methods and results are a lot different from Survey USA. It will be interesting to find out who is more accurate.
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I'm skeptical of both these polls. The SurveyUSA poll found that 1/4 of registered Republicans planned to vote for Davis, which seems bizarre, particularly in Kansas. The YouGOV methodology also seems questionable. I'm still guessing that Brownback wins by 4 or 5 points.
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Are you worried that once a republican is registered, the Government will come and take it?
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Are you worried that once a republican is registered, the Government will come and take it?
They can't even poll the republican registry accurately, you really think they can organize confiscation?
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Are you worried that once a republican is registered, the Government will come and take it?
More worried about my ability to simply go to a Republican show and buy a republican without going through background checks (which is bullshit, and a god given right, imo).
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I feel like polls that rely on dialing landlines are old - fashioned
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I feel like polls that rely on dialing landlines are old - fashioned
There are certainly flaws with both systems. I really don't know which is more accurate.
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I feel like polls that rely on dialing landlines are old - fashioned
I think most pollsters would agree with you. But I also think that such polls would tend to over-sample an older, more conservative demographic. Ultimately, polls results are weighted to reflect what the pollster believes is a more accurate demographic composition, which is far from an exact science. Then throw in the added complication of weighting to forecast not just the right demographics, but turnout of the various demographic groups.
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OT: Dave Lewis lost his seat on the county commission. To a Kstate student.
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I feel like polls that rely on dialing landlines are old - fashioned
I was just stating something. This comment has nothing to do with any of the polls.
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Jennifer Winn has 37% of the vote right now. That seems really high.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-06/brownback-s-tax-cuts-prompt-s-p-to-reduce-kansas-s-credit-rating.html
Liberal Standard and Poor's libtard policies, of liberalness, cause Kansas debt to be downgraded again. Has nothing to do with non-libtard Sam Brownback's policies.
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http://www.kansas.com/2014/08/05/3583534/brownbacks-primary-performance.html
Brownback theorized that some of the votes against him were from people who don’t think he is conservative enough, but Winn did not run on a particularly conservative platform.
“I think you’ve got a number of people very mad about the direction of America and what President Obama has done, so I think you could see these things moving forward,” Brownback said when asked if he was disappointed by his showing against the relatively unknown Winn.
:lol:
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Wut
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I heard an excerpt from his victory speech this morning on KCUR. He said something to the effect of, "[Paul Davis] is a LIBERAL...from LAWRENCE..." He really emphasized Lawrence in a negative way.
I mean, sure, Lawrence will probably slide heavily to Davis, but I'm not sure you want to attack a city like that when they're estimating that this is going to be a close election. I'm not sure what he was trying to do there.
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I heard an excerpt from his victory speech this morning on KCUR. He said something to the effect of, "[Paul Davis] is a LIBERAL...from LAWRENCE..." He really emphasized Lawrence in a negative way.
I mean, sure, Lawrence will probably slide heavily to Davis, but I'm not sure you want to attack a city like that when they're estimating that this is going to be a close election. I'm not sure what he was trying to do there.
It's probably a good move on his part, really. Doesn't K-State have more undergrads than KU now?
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I heard an excerpt from his victory speech this morning on KCUR. He said something to the effect of, "[Paul Davis] is a LIBERAL...from LAWRENCE..." He really emphasized Lawrence in a negative way.
I mean, sure, Lawrence will probably slide heavily to Davis, but I'm not sure you want to attack a city like that when they're estimating that this is going to be a close election. I'm not sure what he was trying to do there.
Heard that too. It doesn't matter. It is pretty much the only blue spot on his map and he just riled up the reds by pointing it all out.
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The phrase "Liberal Lawrence" induces a lot of sable rattling among the rural Kansas folk. I don't see how this harms him politically.
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The phrase "Liberal Lawrence" induces a lot of sable rattling among the rural Kansas folk. I don't see how this harms him politically.
yup. He doesn't have to go throw a barrel of tea in the Kaw either.
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Brownback should have a television ad featuring KU's new turf. Tell everyone what happens when you let the libs run things.
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Brownback should have a television ad featuring KU's new turf. Tell everyone what happens when you let the libs run things.
Yup.
Cats = lots of discretionary cash in hand to build cool stuff.
Hawks = relying on donated time and machinery from local construction company.
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The phrase "Liberal Lawrence" induces a lot of sable rattling among the rural Kansas folk. I don't see how this harms him politically.
He doesn't need rural Kansas folk. He has them.
He needs moderate Republicans from Topeka/Lawrence/JoCo. How attacking Lawrence doesn't hurt him there seems weird to me.
I haven't seen a lot of reporting on it, so it will probably slide without issue. I just thought it was a pretty stupid gaffe to toss out at the Overland Park Marriott.
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The phrase "Liberal Lawrence" induces a lot of sable rattling among the rural Kansas folk. I don't see how this harms him politically.
He doesn't need rural Kansas folk. He has them.
He needs moderate Republicans from Topeka/Lawrence/JoCo. How attacking Lawrence doesn't hurt him there seems weird to me.
I haven't seen a lot of reporting on it, so it will probably slide without issue. I just thought it was a pretty stupid gaffe to toss out at the Overland Park Marriott.
I don't think Brownback can get any of the moderates back. He has already said that he thinks he hasn't been conservative enough. He's not going to move toward the center for the primary. He's going to move even further right and try to get every single one of the ultra-conservative republicans in Kansas to believe that if Brownback doesn't get reelected, we essentially get Barack Obama as governor.
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Brownback might be able to squeak through in November, but his national ambitions will be complete crap by 2016
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/1df595b230ad41a886d5de14a0c8445d/KS--Kansas-Budget-Shortfall (http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/1df595b230ad41a886d5de14a0c8445d/KS--Kansas-Budget-Shortfall)
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The phrase "Liberal Lawrence" induces a lot of sable rattling among the rural Kansas folk. I don't see how this harms him politically.
Sorry Spracne, but sable rattling?
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The phrase "Liberal Lawrence" induces a lot of sable rattling among the rural Kansas folk. I don't see how this harms him politically.
Sorry Spracne, but sable rattling?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.car.com%2Fimages%2F2008%2FMercury%2FSable_Staff%2F400%2F08_Mercury_Sable_01.jpg&hash=4ec94843650798717f0d164b1605495a2febed21)
I was somewhat referring to my late grandfather who lived in Western Kansas and drove an old shitty Sable. I figured it was the car of his people.
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http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-a-newspaper-factchecks-20140805-column.html
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The phrase "Liberal Lawrence" induces a lot of sable rattling among the rural Kansas folk. I don't see how this harms him politically.
Sorry Spracne, but sable rattling?
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I was somewhat referring to my late grandfather who lived in Western Kansas and drove an old shitty Sable. I figured it was the car of his people.
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http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-a-newspaper-factchecks-20140805-column.html
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http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-a-newspaper-factchecks-20140805-column.html
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I'm sure everyone has seen it, but Davis is up 51% to 41% over Brownback in a Rasmussen survey released today. (Link has futher details/issues polled.)
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article1203184.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article1203184.html)
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NJ gov is roaming around KC with Brownback. Seems like the pub base would be upset that their ultra right wing guy would be hanging with a RINO who hugs Obama in his free time.
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NJ gov is roaming around KC with Brownback. Seems like the pub base would be upset that their ultra right wing guy would be hanging with a RINO who hugs Obama in his free time.
I think most people realize he hugged Obama for federal storm relief money. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
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NJ gov is roaming around KC with Brownback. Seems like the pub base would be upset that their ultra right wing guy would be hanging with a RINO who hugs Obama in his free time.
I think most people realize he hugged Obama for federal storm relief money. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
he also won him a bear at the carnival because they're best buds 4life.
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NJ gov is roaming around KC with Brownback. Seems like the pub base would be upset that their ultra right wing guy would be hanging with a RINO who hugs Obama in his free time.
I think most people realize he hugged Obama for federal storm relief money. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
he also won him a bear at the carnival because they're best buds 4life.
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Christie knows how to schmooze. Good quality for a Prez. Obama is not a schmoozer.
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Good to know Sam is equally as cool as B.O. explains why he's trouncing Davis in the younger demographic.
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NJ gov is roaming around KC with Brownback. Seems like the pub base would be upset that their ultra right wing guy would be hanging with a RINO who hugs Obama in his free time.
So is this Christie starting to set up his inevitable move right? Presidential politics are so :Yuck:
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Ha
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http://on.cc.com/1CuuGtM
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I see the leftists are still entrenched in their fantasy
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Per something called Remington research, Brownback has a 3 point lead. Per Fox 6 point lead. Per the PPP Davis is up 1.
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Bill Maher is a stud and I will also post this in the Bill Maher stud thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqDBz4M9Jkg
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So let me get this straight, cutting taxes causes revenue reduction in the short term? Who knew? And because of these tax cuts, Brownback has "bankrupted" Kansas to the extent that, instead of running a $700mil surplus, we're only projected to run a $27mil surplus in 2015?! I'm outraged!
Getting your news/opinions from Bill Maher appears to be damaging your ability to think rationally, or maybe vice versa. The stripper-gate thing was pretty funny, tho.
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Polls are too close to call, each party will need to stir up their base to win.
Brownback created the surplus and he can spend it. If he was holding the cash in the treasury the left would be throwing a fit. Another thin i find amusing is how, per the left, the second he became governor schools all of the sudden became underfunded and test scores lagged.
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Based on polling to date, I've gotta give Davis the edge. Brownback is polling the low 40s. The recent influx of cash and negative ads - particulary highlighting Davis's extremism on abortion and connections to Obama - will help Brownback somewhat, but the undecided-tards aren't going to break his way.
Brownback's only hope is if there is a significant turnout disparity. Hopefully the visits paid by Romney, Ryan, Dole, and other prominent Republicans will help rally the forces for both Brownback and Roberts.
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Do you actually think brownback and roberts are good for kansas and the country?
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Do you actually think brownback and roberts are good for kansas and the country?
I think Brownback is doing a good job so far in reducing taxes to make Kansas a more competitive job climate. Whether the current tax levels can be sustained or lowered will depend upon how quickly the economy improves and how much spending can be reduced. Brownback has also refused the Obamacare medicaid expansion, which both increases dependency on government and will cost the state more money down the road.
I don't specifically favor Roberts over any other Republican senator - the important thing is that he is a reliable vote for a Republican Senate majority, which is essential to getting any meaningful bills through the legislature in the next two years. Even if Obama has to veto 90% of it, he will at least be forced to finally exercise his veto power, setting up an important contrast in the 2016 elections. Currently, Harry Reid won't even allow a vote on any legislation that is even remotely problematic for the Dems (Keystone XL, Obamacare reforms, tax reforms, etc.) which is why Obama has only had to exercise his veto power twice in 6 years.
The folks who buy into Greg Orman's "government is broken" mantra don't seem to understand that a vote fro Greg Orman jeopardizes the best chance to finally break the stalemate in Congress.
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So you're going to vote for people that you don't like just so (maybe) you can really stick it to obama and make him veto your stupid bills?
This is the american neocon people, jesus christ
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So you're going to vote for people that you don't like just so (maybe) you can really stick it to obama and make him veto your stupid bills?
No. I don't think the bills will be "stupid" and I don't necessarily know that Obama would veto all of them. But a Congress that can actually advance bills to the White House is better than a Congress that can't even do that. We can't do anything about the occupant of the White House for another two years, but we can at least get Congress up and running again.
As a libtard, I don't expect you to agree. For you, if you can't have an all Dem controlled Congress like back in 2008 - and the House is lost for the foreseeble future - you would prefer the gridlock. As a conservative, I see a real opportunity for a unified Republican Congress to actually pass legislation.
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JFC KSUW you are the exact reason why this country is broken. Guess what, having Reps in charge in the Senate will do JACKSHIT to fix Washington and will in fact only make it worse. Congrats I guess if your idea of fixing things is to send more crap to Obama only to be vetoed. The reason why bills aren't being advanced is because you vote for eff faces like Huelskamp who have no interest in passing laws, only in slowing down the legislative process and making Kansas look like a collective bunch of mouth breathers.
As far as Brownback doing a good job :sdeek:
wrecking education while you pass if off as liberal activist judges messing 'round with my tax money! while failing to realize it is hurting our future.
NO LEGITIMATE economist projects Kansas as being on a sound debt footing nearly entirely because of Brownback's policies. And you can't even blame this on the economy improving. Look at the facts, Kansas is lagging behind while neo-con utopia is faltering and moving backwards. Nothing will improve with people like you running the show because time and time again we've tried this experiment and it always fails. Laffer was a rough ridin' idiot and his curve doesn't work.
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I am a Republican and consider myself somewhat conservative. Did not vote for Brownback. All I heard from his campaign was about "tax cuts". While my income has remained essentially the same, our taxes have risen year over year. I have also witnessed nothing from his tenure that shows me he is moving the state in a better direction. Time to give someone else a shot. FWIW, that's also my attitude regarding the Roberts/Orman race.
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I am a Republican and consider myself somewhat conservative. Did not vote for Brownback. All I heard from his campaign was about "tax cuts". While my income has remained essentially the same, our taxes have risen year over year. I have also witnessed nothing from his tenure that shows me he is moving the state in a better direction. Time to give someone else a shot. FWIW, that's also my attitude regarding the Roberts/Orman race.
total libtard
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Heard some pundit talk about runoffs in states where a candidate doesn't get a majority of the votes (eg, wins 49% to 48% for the retards). We dont have that in kansas do we? Because that's the road we're going down.
Also, lol at Edna and libs last couple retorts. Such anger and delusion
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Heard a radio thing on wisconsin today. No matter who wins, at least we aren't wisconsin. Good grief.
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I like how electing Davis creates the exact same scenario in Kansas edna is furiously advocating against at the Fed level.
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I am a Republican and consider myself somewhat conservative. Did not vote for Brownback. All I heard from his campaign was about "tax cuts". While my income has remained essentially the same, our taxes have risen year over year. I have also witnessed nothing from his tenure that shows me he is moving the state in a better direction. Time to give someone else a shot. FWIW, that's also my attitude regarding the Roberts/Orman race.
Well I am a registered independent and consider myself somewhat liberal, but after careful deliberation and much soul searching, determined that reelecting Brownback and Roberts is what's best for KS and the country, for all the reasons stated above. See? Two can play that game !
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you guys both telling the truth?
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I am a Republican and consider myself somewhat conservative. Did not vote for Brownback. All I heard from his campaign was about "tax cuts". While my income has remained essentially the same, our taxes have risen year over year. I have also witnessed nothing from his tenure that shows me he is moving the state in a better direction. Time to give someone else a shot. FWIW, that's also my attitude regarding the Roberts/Orman race.
Well I am a registered independent and consider myself somewhat liberal, but after careful deliberation and much soul searching, determined that reelecting Brownback and Roberts is what's best for KS and the country, for all the reasons stated above. See? Two can play that game !
You're wrong. ... Go Royals.
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One thing that's certain, X chocolate, Brownback had nothing to do with your taxes going up.
Fun fact I learned the other day: democrats have been governor of kansas 30 of the last 50 years. Time to give someone else a shot.
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I am a Republican and consider myself somewhat conservative. Did not vote for Brownback. All I heard from his campaign was about "tax cuts". While my income has remained essentially the same, our taxes have risen year over year. I have also witnessed nothing from his tenure that shows me he is moving the state in a better direction. Time to give someone else a shot. FWIW, that's also my attitude regarding the Roberts/Orman race.
Well I am a registered independent and consider myself somewhat liberal, but after careful deliberation and much soul searching, determined that reelecting Brownback and Roberts is what's best for KS and the country, for all the reasons stated above. See? Two can play that game !
You're wrong. ... Go Royals.
No you're wrong. But also Go Royals!
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I am a Republican and consider myself somewhat conservative. Did not vote for Brownback. All I heard from his campaign was about "tax cuts". While my income has remained essentially the same, our taxes have risen year over year. I have also witnessed nothing from his tenure that shows me he is moving the state in a better direction. Time to give someone else a shot. FWIW, that's also my attitude regarding the Roberts/Orman race.
Well I am a registered independent and consider myself somewhat liberal, but after careful deliberation and much soul searching, determined that reelecting Brownback and Roberts is what's best for KS and the country, for all the reasons stated above. See? Two can play that game !
You're wrong. ... Go Royals.
No you're wrong. But also Go Royals!
:cheers:
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http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article3729756.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article3729756.html)
TOPEKA
Kansas will collect $1 billion less in revenue in 2015 and 2016 than its projected expenses following massive income tax cuts signed into law by Republican Gov. Sam Brownback.
The new revenue estimates released Monday revealed that Kansas would burn through about $380 million in reserves and still need to cut $280 million to balance its current budget for fiscal year 2015, which ends next June 30.
The problem continues in 2016 when revenues are projected to run $436 million short of expenditures, the estimates show.
The revenue estimates were developed by a panel of fiscal experts that includes university economists, a legislative policy analyst, a representative from the governor’s budget office and the state revenue department.
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:lol:
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Sounds like we may need to cut spending. :runaway:
But I'd also be on board with a regressive tax like maybe a sales tax.
Just as long as my income taxes are lower, and it's a real PItA to kill babies in this state, Sam's my man.
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I mean, good lord, people in this state are so rough ridin' stupid.
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Going to be a lot of cheap unskilled labor in KS in like 18 yrs, or so.
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$720 million less of a shortfall than libtard think tanks projected when the tax cuts were enacted, so something must be going right. Also state employees got their first raise in 8 years thanks to Sam.
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And we can thank god the tooth fairy stuck 380 million cash behind sams pillow after the huge budget shortfall we ran last year.
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I had heard $1.3B. :dunno:
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$720 million less of a shortfall than libtard think tanks projected when the tax cuts were enacted, so something must be going right. Also state employees got their first raise in 8 years thanks to Sam.
:sdeek:
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Going to be a lot of cheap unskilled labor in KS in like 18 yrs, or so.
He's trying to turn KS into Mexico to work in Koch factories.
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Man, Brownback, what a stud. The Court says he has to spend more on education, so he takes the money out of KPERS! :billdance:
http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article4413431.html (http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article4413431.html)
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Yeah, take that teachers!
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Damn education dragging down the economy
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Yep. Under funding pension by $7.4billion? eff it, make a withdrawl.
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Man, Brownback, what a stud. The Court says he has to spend more on education, so he takes the money out of KPERS! :billdance:
http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article4413431.html (http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article4413431.html)
Well, it is kind of weird that he rolled KPERS in to "per pupil" spending earlier when the state tried to work on the pension hole, but now he is using the term "classroom" spending because he raided the pension because of the budget short fall. Brownback is certainly creative.
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Man, Brownback, what a stud. The Court says he has to spend more on education, so he takes the money out of KPERS! :billdance:
http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article4413431.html (http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article4413431.html)
Well, it is kind of weird that he rolled KPERS in to "per pupil" spending earlier when the state tried to work on the pension hole, but now he is using the term "classroom" spending because he raided the pension because of the budget short fall. Brownback is certainly creative.
I cannot verify, but this sounds right. Huge stud. Are SC Justices part of KPERS? :Woot:
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Just doing what Sebelius did. Not sure I see what the source of outrage is.
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Government pensions are unsustainable and at some point yearly expenditures will be more than entire state and city budgets. New employees need to be put in 401k's like the rest of us.
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Government pensions are unsustainable and at some point yearly expenditures will be more than entire state and city budgets. New employees need to be put in 401k's like the rest of us.
401k's are also unsustainable because people fail to adequately provide for their own retirements. The nexus of low savings rates, unpredictable markets, stagnant wages, decreasing labor force, and the increasing reliance on 401ks will cause huge problems that are completely unrelated to pensions, but will ultimately result in remedies that will probably be more costly than adequately funding pensions.
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Government pensions are unsustainable and at some point yearly expenditures will be more than entire state and city budgets. New employees need to be put in 401k's like the rest of us.
401k's are also unsustainable because people fail to adequately provide for their own retirements. The nexus of low savings rates, unpredictable markets, stagnant wages, decreasing labor force, and the increasing reliance on 401ks will cause huge problems that are completely unrelated to pensions, but will ultimately result in remedies that will probably be more costly than adequately funding pensions.
So what's the answer? If the governments are failing to adequately provide for their employees retirements, it seems the people need to do it themselves. 401k is the next best option.
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Government pensions are unsustainable and at some point yearly expenditures will be more than entire state and city budgets. New employees need to be put in 401k's like the rest of us.
401k's are also unsustainable because people fail to adequately provide for their own retirements. The nexus of low savings rates, unpredictable markets, stagnant wages, decreasing labor force, and the increasing reliance on 401ks will cause huge problems that are completely unrelated to pensions, but will ultimately result in remedies that will probably be more costly than adequately funding pensions.
This is humorously libtarded on many levels. So, 401ks are "unsustainable" because people are too stupid to fund them? Sounds like that's a problem with the people - not the investment vehicle.
I also like the acknowledgement of stagnant wages and a dimishing labor force. You know what will fix that? More liberal tax and spend redistribution of weath, like stuffing pension funds, amiright?
And then there's the "welp, we're better off just stuffing tax dollars into pensions instead of paying to take care of people later on" - 'cause those are totally the only two choices.
You know what would be a good policy? Phase in a complete dismanteling of KPERS, replacing it with modest wage raises.
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A study by the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research more recently pegged the combined total unfunded pension liabilities of CalPERS, the California State Teachers Retirement System (CalSTRS) and the University of California retirement plan at $485 billion.
that's about $44,000 for each taxpayer in the state.
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A study by the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research more recently pegged the combined total unfunded pension liabilities of CalPERS, the California State Teachers Retirement System (CalSTRS) and the University of California retirement plan at $485 billion.
that's about $44,000 for each taxpayer in the state.
Impossible. Cali has really high taxes.
Per the libtards, deficits are good and budgets are bad, so this really doesn't move the needle for me.
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Who here is amazed that when you operate a pension, with a very large amt of employees, for a certain period of time, yet don't contribute adequately to it, that it creates a huge neg number?
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Who here is amazed that when you operate a pension, with a very large amt of employees, for a certain period of time, yet don't contribute adequately to it, that it creates a huge neg number?
It's the "contribute adequately" part that keep tripping me up. I don't think we should contribute at all. Pay them a bit more and let them scrimp and save for their own damned retirement, like the rest of us.
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I have both a 401k and a pension but I work for euros
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Who here is amazed that when you operate a pension, with a very large amt of employees, for a certain period of time, yet don't contribute adequately to it, that it creates a huge neg number?
It's the "contribute adequately" part that keep tripping me up. I don't think we should contribute at all. Pay them a bit more and let them scrimp and save for their own damned retirement, like the rest of us.
That is fine. Just don't hire the employee with a given stated benefit package then underfund it without an alternate plan.
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Who here is amazed that when you operate a pension, with a very large amt of employees, for a certain period of time, yet don't contribute adequately to it, that it creates a huge neg number?
It's the "contribute adequately" part that keep tripping me up. I don't think we should contribute at all. Pay them a bit more and let them scrimp and save for their own damned retirement, like the rest of us.
My employer matches my 401k contribution. I wouldn't work for anyone who didn't offer a pension or some sort of retirement benefit.
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Who here is amazed that when you operate a pension, with a very large amt of employees, for a certain period of time, yet don't contribute adequately to it, that it creates a huge neg number?
It's the "contribute adequately" part that keep tripping me up. I don't think we should contribute at all. Pay them a bit more and let them scrimp and save for their own damned retirement, like the rest of us.
My employer matches my 401k contribution. I wouldn't work for anyone who didn't offer a pension or some sort of retirement benefit.
Yeah and he can't go dip into that money when he fucks up the financial management of his company.
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Are state employees allowed to opt out???
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Are state employees allowed to opt out???
Even if you can opt out, it's probably not a good idea.
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I mean, are people paying in that won't see the money again?
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I contribute quite a bit to my 401k, and I'm worried about the market crashing like the depression or a complete economy collapse but in that case I figure pretty much everyone is mumped and there are bigger problems to worry about than a stock portfolio.
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You don't have to buy stocks in your 401k retards.
The most glaring example as to why a government can't be trusted with a defined benefit retirement plan is social security.
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I contribute quite a bit to my 401k, and I'm worried about the market crashing like the depression or a complete economy collapse but in that case I figure pretty much everyone is mumped and there are bigger problems to worry about than a stock portfolio.
you just work another 3-5 years
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I contribute quite a bit to my 401k, and I'm worried about the market crashing like the depression or a complete economy collapse but in that case I figure pretty much everyone is mumped and there are bigger problems to worry about than a stock portfolio.
you're relatively young. a gigantic and long market crash is the best thing that could possibly happen to your retirement fund.
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I contribute quite a bit to my 401k, and I'm worried about the market crashing like the depression or a complete economy collapse but in that case I figure pretty much everyone is mumped and there are bigger problems to worry about than a stock portfolio.
you're relatively young. a gigantic and long market crash is the best thing that could possibly happen to your retirement fund.
sys makes a weird point
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I contribute quite a bit to my 401k, and I'm worried about the market crashing like the depression or a complete economy collapse but in that case I figure pretty much everyone is mumped and there are bigger problems to worry about than a stock portfolio.
you're relatively young. a gigantic and long market crash is the best thing that could possibly happen to your retirement fund.
sys makes a weird point
i'm making the assumption that he doesn't get fired. are you already on your second child?
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STILL ONLY ONE!
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good choice.
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Government pensions are unsustainable and at some point yearly expenditures will be more than entire state and city budgets. New employees need to be put in 401k's like the rest of us.
So you want to make the projected shortfall even worse?
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Government pensions are unsustainable and at some point yearly expenditures will be more than entire state and city budgets. New employees need to be put in 401k's like the rest of us.
So you want to make the projected shortfall even worse?
The pension should just invest more aggressively to make up the short fall. No reason to set a bunch of cash aside when you can live in the moment. That's what I always say.
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Just trust the banks and don't have oversight amirite?
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20 people have applied to run as governor of Kansas. First, who in the Helfer would want to be the governor of Kansas? Boy there are some real doozies running like a bunch of kids, out of state doofers, gay activist from the liberal northwest, Kobarf, and Mr. Sominex Collyer. I don’t know what to vote for.
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Been in front of a closed Taco Bell on Shawnee Mission Parkway for the past several weeks.
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how many teens are left in the race?