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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: renocat on May 26, 2016, 06:30:59 AM
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Just released yesterday a OIG report that reports MG server was hacked and not reported to.state. head IT guy told concerned staffers legal guys approved system; they did not. IT guy pleads the 5th. So do Mills and Huma. Medta is.trying to blame State bureaucrats for letting her get away with this. Who the hell is the boss? If you don't find and read this or a report of this you aint American. You should have your wallies blown off with concealed handgun owned by a god fearin nongay abortion hatin banker.
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Did we really need another thread?
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renocat says it better than the rest of the pit'ers so I approve the new thread
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OIG appointed by Kerry. Important.
Report not done by hacks in Congress.
OIG is the equivalent to a DA investigator.
Report said she did not want her records subject to FOIA.
Media is trying to spin this by saying she broke some department rules.
The report said she had no approval from anyone to.set up the system.
Staff brought this up this up to head IT guy and were told to shut up and not to mention this again.
This why a separate thread is needed.
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edn hates bad news about Hillary.
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Rudy Giuliani said on Fox News O'Reilly that MG setting up a private server constitutes the breaking of 2 laws. She is a crimnal. Plus a staffer said she is dumber than me. She didnt use a password on her computer or email. I do.this. Hillary and her bitchbabes refused to talk to the IG. Why? This was just a.stupid mistake, right? New York Times is reaming MG good. When the liberals turn on her, it is swirly city.
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Hilliary's defense against the OIG report; "It was allowed". Dog fart! The report said is was not allowed, and she would have been tile if she had asked. She didn't ask because she did not want her emails subjected to the Freedom of Information Act. I guess I am too momma grit honest for this sack of horse manure she is trying to feed us. My momma raised her snotnozers to obey the letter of the law and not to wiilfully disregard it. MG can't argue ignorance. Staffers told her and her minions what they were doing was wrong. Did they say oh crap and correct their mistake? No, they told the staffers to shut up and not ever mention thjs again. All staffers connected to the wonton violation of the law did not cooperate with the IG. I haven't even touched on how this affected national security -- American Nuclear fries.
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Media is spinning this as if she broke some rules, and besides Trump has done worse. Shameful, but.expected from.the.same.media who have a butt bong connected to Obama's blowhole some.they can inhale the gasses emanating from him.
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The.Clinton spin has.started. Women should.not be held to the same standards of honesty - CBS news. On Fox it was reported.a.clinton aid is saying OIG is a political hack out to get her, mqij inspector is a man.
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OIG appointed by Kerry. Important.
Report not done by hacks in Congress.
OIG is the equivalent to a DA investigator.
Report said she did not want her records subject to FOIA.
Media is trying to spin this by saying she broke some department rules.
The report said she had no approval from anyone to.set up the system.
Staff brought this up this up to head IT guy and were told to shut up and not to mention this again.
This why a separate thread is needed.
:nono: this post wasn't worth breaking character for
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I think Reno is the guy who sums this up best. Speaks for all
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edn hates bad news about Hillary.
yes, clearly hating a pointless witch hunt that is purely for partisan reasons means I'm a hillary supporter.
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Yes, nothing says no need to investigate like unsecured servers both physically and virtually being used by the Secretary of State.
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How can anyone look at this as pointless. Sec of State is, like, top 3 of political positions whose email I wouldn't want ppl to be able to easily hack for security reasons.
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Probably shouldn't say anything important over email
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edn hates bad news about Hillary.
yes, clearly hating a pointless witch huntthat is purely for partisan reasons means I'm a hillary supporter.
Classic Clinton supporter bullshit
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Yes, nothing says no need to investigate like unsecured servers both physically and virtually being used by the Secretary of State.
okay so how many congressional investigations do we need spending millions of dollars finding next to nothing (aside from low level policy issues)?
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edn hates bad news about Hillary.
yes, clearly hating a pointless witch huntthat is purely for partisan reasons means I'm a hillary supporter.
Classic Clinton supporter bullshit
Actually I wouldn't mind if she got the Petraeus deal and rode off into the sunset doing speaking tours.
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LOL policy issues? Only a partisan Whack-A-Doodle thinks that, thus EDN. It's against a myriad of Federal Laws to conduckt Federal business over a not Federally operated IT system. Everyone with a clue (thus, not EDN) knows she was hacked, and probably hacked by just about every intelligence entity and bad guy with an Internet connection.
I guess if you're trying to launder money and sell access through your fake foundation, running a private email server does make sense.
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It is a witch hunt but I'm glad it's coming to light regardless of motive. It has been an issue in the past and I have to think it will make future members of government comply with the laws more strictly.
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There should be much more strict legislation enacted that clearly, and in no uncertain terms, squashes this crap. It has to be all about avoiding FOIA and that should infuriate anyone who wants transparent govt.
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LOL policy issues? Only a partisan Whack-A-Doodle thinks that, thus EDN. It's against a myriad of Federal Laws to conduckt Federal business over a not Federally operated IT system. Everyone with a clue (thus, not EDN) knows she was hacked, and probably hacked by just about every intelligence entity and bad guy with an Internet connection.
I guess if you're trying to launder money and sell access through your fake foundation, running a private email server does make sense.
LOL sorry you've been told that. Get off foxnews for a bit. There is a reason why this has been going on for years and has been of no result. The best hope is that the FBI is digging up dirt on the Clinton Foundation for tax/fundraising issues. But still, LOL at your entire perspective.
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Fox News? Lol, classic coming from whackadoodle who only regurgitates the DNC new release, whatever the editors of Daily Kos or Salon tell him to think.
It's been going on for years because they are dealing with people who are purposely foot dragging and trying to slow roll this long enough in hopes it just goes away.
This is classic Clinton, obfuscate, redirect and slow roll in hopes of dragging it on forever.
Figures whackadoodle is an unclosted Clintonite.
In this day an age any server that resides in an environment of almost no real online security is going to get hacked.
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Fox News? Lol, classic coming from whackadoodle who only regurgitates the DNC new release, whatever the editors of Daily Kos or Salon tell him to think.
It's been going on for years because they are dealing with people who are purposely foot dragging and trying to slow roll this long enough in hopes it just goes away.
This is classic Clinton, obfuscate, redirect and slow roll in hopes of dragging it on forever.
Figures whackadoodle is an unclosted Clintonite.
In this day an age any server that resides in an environment of almost no real online security is going to get hacked.
Many paragraphs. Such rage.
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But seriously though. No one is finding what you want to find. Her game is too strong. We've gone from Benghazi, to email, to now maybe clinton foundation. Nothing. She is dominating the eff out of your mind. Most here don't like here but love what she is doing to people like you.
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But seriously though. No one is finding what you want to find. Her game is too strong. We've gone from Benghazi, to email, to now maybe clinton foundation. Nothing. She is dominating the eff out of your mind. Most here don't like here but love what she is doing to people like you.
I dunno, it's really easy for people to get mad about things, so I don't find much entertainment value in it.
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But seriously though. No one is finding what you want to find. Her game is too strong. We've gone from Benghazi, to email, to now maybe clinton foundation. Nothing. She is dominating the eff out of your mind. Most here don't like here but love what she is doing to people like you.
I dunno, it's really easy for people to get mad about things, so I don't find much entertainment value in it.
Cat let's realize that Dax and crew had built up all their hopes that this was finally going to be what broke the dam the Clinton family. They've been running at them for 20 years with nothing sticking. People like Dax hoped they finally had a smoking gun they could tear down the entire Clinton legacy with. Instead, smoke and mirrors later, NOTHING. I find it funny because they act like this is a legitimate hunt to root out corruption/security leaks/ or to protect American security. Nothing could be further from the truth. They thought they had a clue boner and the Clintons just slammed the door on it.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/state-department-report-j_b_10160816.html
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Democrats want Clinton's head more than Republicans.
My favorite part of her "do whatever the eff I want and shamelessly lie about it later" was right after they first found out her dumass was using a home server, when she told everyone that she went ahead and permanently erased forever all the emails that she unilaterally decided weren't relevant to her time as SoS. That's right, she openly admitted to destroying evidence that would become part of a criminal investigation, and basically acted like she was doing everyone a favor.
Such a psychopath. I'm sure to this day she honestly believes she's done nothing wrong. Trump is nowhere near as dangerous to this country as she is.
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That was a pretty alpha move
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Hill and Yall Qaeda, alpha peas in an alpha pod
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Polictico is report Obama and the DOJ has filed a.court motion blocking the.deposition by Judicial Watch on their FOIA lawsuit. A federal judge approved the deposing of MG. Cheryl Mills said hilliar,s records were not available for a FOIA request. Why was Hillary trying to hide information? Russian uranium deal.that resulted in a big.donation to the Clinton foundation? Or a.big donation from a guy who gave money to chelsea man to set up a hedge ; fat cat got goodies.
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Polictico is report Obama and the DOJ has filed a.court motion blocking the.deposition by Judicial Watch on their FOIA lawsuit. A federal judge approved the deposing of MG. Cheryl Mills said hilliar,s records were not available for a FOIA request. Why was Hillary trying to hide information? Russian uranium deal.that resulted in a big.donation to the Clinton foundation? Or a.big donation from a guy who gave money to chelsea man to set up a hedge ; fat cat got goodies.
please repost this when your meds have kicked in
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Democrats want Clinton's head more than Republicans.
My favorite part of her "do whatever the eff I want and shamelessly lie about it later" was right after they first found out her dumass was using a home server, when she told everyone that she went ahead and permanently erased forever all the emails that she unilaterally decided weren't relevant to her time as SoS. That's right, she openly admitted to destroying evidence that would become part of a criminal investigation, and basically acted like she was doing everyone a favor.
Such a psychopath. I'm sure to this day she honestly believes she's done nothing wrong. Trump is nowhere near as dangerous to this country as she is.
I disagree just because we don't know what Trump will bring, and if it's anything like his campaign, it's proto fascist. Hillary will bring us 4/8 more years of the last 24 we've already had. Status quo mediocrity. Nothing grand, nothing really that bad.
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Only an Uber-partisan like EDN Whack-A-Doodle would spew forth the bilge that he's put out in this thread.
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Hillary will bring us 4/8 more years of the last 24 we've already had. Status quo mediocrity.
yeah, I hate hillary clinton. I think she's awful and very cringey in everything she does. that said, I have to vote for her because I have a pretty amazing life. with stupid hillary I know I'll continue to live in the same world I've lived in these last tons of years. that is comforting. bernie sanders terrifies me because I make a decent amount of coin. donald trump terrifies me for literally every reason. there is more upside to either bernie or donald, I actually believe that. hillary doesn't terrify me though, she just makes me sad. #i'mwithstupidher.
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/27/with-clintons-nixonian-email-scandal-deepening-sandes-must-demand-answers/
When it comes to Hillary Clinton’s State Department email scandal, reporters — and even her right-wing critics in the Republican Party — are asking the wrong question.
Sure, doing all her official business on an unprotected, unscrambled private server in her own home and on an unsecured private Blackberry phone device means that any two-bit spy outfit, not to mention sophisticated ones like those of Russia, Iran, Israel or China, could easily hack it and read secret State Department and other agency communications. But really, those entities have ways of getting that kind of secret stuff anyhow.
The real question is what kind of private conversations Clinton, in her role as Secretary of State, was having with powerful people both at home and abroad that may have involved cash donations to the Clinton Foundation and to her and Bill’s personal enrichment or her future campaign for president.
Hillary Clinton is a lawyer, and while she’s slippery, she’s no dummy. She may have played dumb when asked earlier by reporters about her server’s hard drive being wiped clean of data before she turned it over to the FBI, saying, “What, like with a cloth or something? I don’t know how it works at all,” but she surely was involved in the deletion of her private emails — over 30,000 of which were reportedly erased.
And those erasures were made without any involvement of State Department security or legal officials. The decision, according to Clinton, on which emails were “private communications,” was made by her personal attorney, whose interest, by definition, was her and not the public or even national security for that matter.
As the Washington Post has reported, the Clintons went from being, as Hillary Clinton has said, “dead broke” upon leaving the White House in January 2000, to earning some $230 million by this year — a staggering sum of money even in a new Gilded Age of obscene wealth. Most of this money has been little more than influence buying by corporations and wealthy people trying to curry favor with a woman who was already Secretary of State, perhaps the second-most powerful position in the US government and whom many expected to become the next president after Obama.
The power couple’s two foundations, the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative, now together reportedly worth more than $2 billion, both function effectively as money-laundering operations providing salaries to Clinton family members and friends. And Hillary Clinton, particularly while serving as President Obama’s secretary of state, was in a perfect position to do favors for unsavory foreign leaders seeking to have their countries kept off of State Department lists of human rights violators, and for US businesses seeking lucrative business deals abroad. It’s those kinds of email conversations that would have benefited from a private server, since US State Department official computers have dedicated back-up systems that would be hard or impossible to wipe, and are also by law subject to Freedom of Information inquiries from journalists and the public.
It beggars belief to think that Hillary Clinton wasn’t hiding such conversations when she had her private emails deleted from her server.
The FBI is known to be investigating Clinton’s private emails, with as many as 100 FBI personnel assigned to the investigation. Already, one key privately hired tech assistant who worked on Clinton’s private server, Bryan Pagliano, has become a cooperating witness, granted immunity from prosecution by the US Justice Department in that investigation (usually an indication that the FBI is expecting to indict someone else). Key Clinton aides, notably her top aide Huma Abedin, have also been interviewed by FBI agents, with the expectation that Clinton will be interviewed herself soon by federal agents. But there is no indication from the Justice Department or the FBI as to when, if ever, the results of that investigation will be released.
However Politico reports that on Wednesday, a report by the State Department’s Office of Inspector General, has issued its report on the emails. It is a scathing indictment, concluding that Clinton failed to comply with US government and State Department policies on records, and that counter to assertions made publicly by her, she never sought permission from the department’s legal staff to use a private server — a request which if made, the report insists “would not” have been approved. The inspector general’s report states, “At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business before leaving government service and, because she did not do so, she did not comply with the Department’s policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act.”
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It’s not as though Clinton didn’t know what she was doing was wrong and even illegal. The just released report states that technology staff in the State Department’s Office of Information Resource Management, who raised concerns about her private server, were instructed by the department’s director, a Clinton appointee, “not to question the arrangement.” When one staffer mentioned that her private account could contain federal records that needed to be preserved “in order to satisfy federal recordkeeping requirements,” the report says the director of that office “stated that the Secretary’s personal system had been reviewed and approved by the department legal staff and that the matter was not to be discussed any further.” Yet the inspector general says that assertion by the director was false, as there was in fact no evidence that in the State Department’s office of the legal advisor had ever reviewed or approved the private system, or even been asked to do so by Clinton.
Again and again through her four years at State, Clinton is found to have resisted efforts to get her to stop using exclusively her private email to conduct official business. On several occasions, the report says, she expressly said her concern was having her mail subjected to FOIA, or in other words, public discovery. Clinton tried to claim that since her communications with State Dept. personnel ended up on their servers, there were records of her communications there. But as the report notes, that wouldn’t include any State Department-related communications she had with persons outside of the State Department or the government. And those are precisely the kinds of conversations that the public really needs to know about — particularly when we’re talking about someone who is running for the top position in government, and who has demonstrably spent years with her hand out to powerful people and organizations. After all, it is those communications that would include any discussions of financial transactions involving foreign or domestic interests seeking beneficial assistance from the Madam Secretary.
This scandal is not about someone simply ignoring some arcane rules. As Secretary of State, Clinton had a legal obligation to operate in an above-board, legal and transparent manner in conducting the business of government. Instead, for our years in office, she conducted that business in a manner that can only be called Nixonian, opting to openly violate the rules, to hide her communications from government oversight and public review, to dissemble about her allegedly having received clearance to do so, and even to attempt to erase records from her server when ordered to turn them over. Furthermore, suspicions have to be raised because if Clinton’s concerns were about people accessing her genuinely personal emails, she had only to set up a State Department email address and obtain a State Department secure Blackberry phone, and limit her personal server and personal Blackberry to genuinely personal emails and calls, conducting all State Department business on State Department systems. According to the IGO report, she studiously avoided doing that kind of segregation for four years despite frequent instructions and advice to do so.
Bernie Sanders so far has declined to make an issue of Clinton’s email scandal, but as more information comes out from the Inspector General’s Office, from a FOIA lawsuit currently in the deposition stage in federal court, and ultimately from the ongoing FBI investigation reportedly nearing its conclusion, it is becoming obvious that Sanders is being far too kind to her. When he pooh-poohed the scandal in response to a debate moderator’s question during the first televised public debate he had with Clinton, the scandal was still fairly new. Today, with release of the IGO report, it has become much more serious.
Now that Sanders has agreed to a pre-California-primary televised debate with Donald Trump, following Hillary Clinton’s refusal to honor an earlier agreement to debate him, he will obviously be asked about her email scandal before a riveted national audience. If he doesn’t raise the issue sooner on the campaign trail, Sanders must take that opportunity to denounce her illegal behavior, to question her motives in hiding her communications as secretary of state, and to demand that she come clean by providing copies of all her emails during that period. If it is important for her to release the transcripts of her closed-door and lucrative speeches to Wall Street banks, it is far more so for her to explain why she was conducting State Department business on her private email and trying so hard to avoid Freedom of Information Act scrutiny.
Sanders should start pointing out the obvious reality that should Clinton not come clean, and should she become the Democratic nominee for president this July, she faces the possibility of an embarrassing and damaging final report from the FBI during the election campaign, or perhaps even an indictment, and the certainty of five-months of hammering on the issue by her Republican opponent. Furthermore, if somehow elected, there will follow an inevitable and interminable campaign by Republicans in Congress to try and impeach her for her “high crimes and misdemeanors” committed while serving as Secretary of State in the prior administration. That would make a joke of her campaign slogan: “A president who gets things done.”
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Hillary will bring us 4/8 more years of the last 24 we've already had. Status quo mediocrity.
yeah, I hate hillary clinton. I think she's awful and very cringey in everything she does. that said, I have to vote for her because I have a pretty amazing life. with stupid hillary I know I'll continue to live in the same world I've lived in these last tons of years. that is comforting. bernie sanders terrifies me because I make a decent amount of coin. donald trump terrifies me for literally every reason. there is more upside to either bernie or donald, I actually believe that. hillary doesn't terrify me though, she just makes me sad. #i'mwithstupidher.
That's a very sad, but very perfect breakdown. :frown:
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Yah Corruption!
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/13/hillarys-im-not-a-crook-moment/
She also approved huge weapons deals that benefited proverbially lavish GCC petrodollar sponsors of the Clinton Foundation – side by side with Bill Clinton collecting massive fees for speeches to House of Saud cronies.
As much as Clinton refused to release the amount of fees paid for her Wall Street speeches when she could have easily done it, all sorts of pesky questions related to the Clinton Foundation persist. In parallel, public opinion is required to believe that oil and gas money makes up just an infinitesimal part of her fundraising universe.[/b
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I read SD's post and just decided that I have to vote Trump.
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It seems stupid to believe that Hillary won't do everything she says she is going to do, but believe trump is going to do everything all his antagonists say he is going to do. Real libtard logical thought process.
I remain completely unconvinced that Hillary is the lesser of two evils. She is proven to be incompetent, corrupt, unethical and criminal. That is a recipe for disaster. Trump is only all of those things by way of partisan conjecture.
We're all better off not voting in protest of the two party system, than voting for either or against either.
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It seems stupid to believe that Hillary won't do everything she says she is going to do, but believe trump is going to do everything all his antagonists say he is going to do. Real libtard logical thought process.
I remain completely unconvinced that Hillary is the lesser of two evils. She is proven to be incompetent, corrupt, unethical and criminal. That is a recipe for disaster. Trump is only all of those things by way of partisan conjecture.
We're all better off not voting in protest of the two party system, than voting for either or against either.
What is Hillary saying she's going to do that is any different than the Obama agenda?
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I don't have to believe he will do everything his antagonists say if I believe people he has garnered support from such as David Duke, Kim Jong Un, and Putin. Those 3 aren't collectively singing praises of a candidate that has a vision for America that I agree with. Then again, maybe Kim Jong Un wants what is best for America :dunno:
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I don't have to believe he will do everything his antagonists say if I believe people he has garnered support from such as David Duke, Kim Jong Un, and Putin. Those 3 aren't collectively singing praises of a candidate that has a vision for America that I agree with. Then again, maybe Kim Jong Un wants what is best for America :dunno:
Just like the koch brothers
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It seems stupid to believe that Hillary won't do everything she says she is going to do, but believe trump is going to do everything all his antagonists say he is going to do. Real libtard logical thought process.
I remain completely unconvinced that Hillary is the lesser of two evils. She is proven to be incompetent, corrupt, unethical and criminal. That is a recipe for disaster. Trump is only all of those things by way of partisan conjecture.
We're all better off not voting in protest of the two party system, than voting for either or against either.
Seems like a double negative, I'm gonna stick with #Trump45
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Oh and stevedave is unprincipled and merely votes his wallet like a rube.........
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Oh and stevedave is unprincipled and merely votes his wallet like a rube.........
I tend to believe that voting my wallet is voting what's best for America.
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Vote your wallet.*
* - unless it's to the detriment of your children
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Another thread exposing Clintonites who love corruption and war, apparently
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I don't have to believe he will do everything his antagonists say if I believe people he has garnered support from such as David Duke, Kim Jong Un, and Putin. Those 3 aren't collectively singing praises of a candidate that has a vision for America that I agree with. Then again, maybe Kim Jong Un wants what is best for America :dunno:
Accepts donations from people who fund terrorists in exchange for arms deals vs. unsolicited endorsements from attention whores :dunno:
Becoming more convinced hillary is worse than trump...
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I predict CBI will recommend an indictment on very serious charges, but Obama will say he has ordered that charges not be brought against her for sake of the country, and he is.doing so under his executive authority of prosecutorial discretion (illegal aliens).
Four of Hillary's minions who put together her money laundering and payola scheme have all hired the same lawyer to defend them. Why? I thought there was no wrongdoing. This says to me serious.crap. The FBI has devoted a great deal of resources to this; the Clinton Bureau of Investigation.
Obama is reported to be eager to campaign bigtime for Hillroids, and.shred trump. Why would you leach on to a piece of rotten meat like Hillory? Obama has chosen not to enforce our immigration laws because he says it is bad for the U.S. He uses executive discretion about prosecution to defend his position. Trump in his mind would be a.disaster for Amerca. Thus justification to use this prosecutorial discretion ruse to protect Hillary.
Stupid voters will accept it.
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Hiring a lawyer is about as big of an admission of guilt as you can get