Shockers

[kso_FAN]

Its a really simple and hackneyed talking point, guess I expected him to take up a cause more nuanced and unexplored like how may Florida be helped by playing in a garbage conference.

Why?

Most college fans care about how good Wichita State is right now. The undefeated thing in the regular season is a big deal. The discussion of "would Florida go undefeated in the MVC" simply isn't interesting for most people. Plus Florida still has 7 wins over Top 50 teams.

I think you are reading something different than what I'm saying re Florida.

My larger point isn't that we shouldn't be discussing whether or not we should be discussing how good Wichita State is. Speculating whether or not they would lose in Ames does not advance that discussion, nor would it for any other team in America. The discussion about every other team and their worthiness is revolves around who they put on the floor. Is it too much to ask that one of the preeminent voices in the sport move the conversation beyond what we would hear on Mike and Mike or some random local hacky sports talk show in Cleveland?

It's just sports so I think discussing whatever you want is fine.  I could be wrong though because I have no clue what you guys are talking about.

I'm kind of with you 33.

[kim carnes]

i think its weird/very weird that you guys listen to sports radio or whatever it is that you're talking about

[kim carnes]

i think its weird/very weird that you guys listen to sports radio or whatever it is that you're talking about

[Headinjun]

Its a really simple and hackneyed talking point, guess I expected him to take up a cause more nuanced and unexplored like how may Florida be helped by playing in a garbage conference.

Why?

Most college fans care about how good Wichita State is right now. The undefeated thing in the regular season is a big deal. The discussion of "would Florida go undefeated in the MVC" simply isn't interesting for most people. Plus Florida still has 7 wins over Top 50 teams.

I think you are reading something different than what I'm saying re Florida.

My larger point isn't that we shouldn't be discussing whether or not we should be discussing how good Wichita State is. Speculating whether or not they would lose in Ames does not advance that discussion, nor would it for any other team in America. The discussion about every other team and their worthiness is revolves around who they put on the floor. Is it too much to ask that one of the preeminent voices in the sport move the conversation beyond what we would hear on Mike and Mike or some random local hacky sports talk show in Cleveland?

And there you have the overratedness of one Doug Gotleib. I think he was great when he was coming up in the ranks but I think he's starting to take his game to the middle aged level where Colin Cowherd resides.

His show is becoming a lil dry to me when I hear it now. 

Great analysis MIR..

[#LIFE]

I think it's more weird how MIR is getting all Beems Gridiron Club butthurt about a Shocker team that has nothing to do with the Cats...maybe the bandwagon didn't want to stop to pick him up in his neighborhood?

[Bloodfart]

I think it's more weird how MIR is getting all Beems Gridiron Club butthurt about a Shocker team that has nothing to do with the Cats...maybe the bandwagon didn't want to stop to pick him up in his neighborhood?

Shut up butthole.

[MakeItRain]

Its a really simple and hackneyed talking point, guess I expected him to take up a cause more nuanced and unexplored like how may Florida be helped by playing in a garbage conference.

Why?

Most college fans care about how good Wichita State is right now. The undefeated thing in the regular season is a big deal. The discussion of "would Florida go undefeated in the MVC" simply isn't interesting for most people. Plus Florida still has 7 wins over Top 50 teams.

I think you are reading something different than what I'm saying re Florida.
My larger point isn't that we shouldn't be discussing whether or not we should be discussing how good Wichita State is. Speculating whether or not they would lose in Ames does not advance that discussion, nor would it for any other team in America. The discussion about every other team and their worthiness is revolves around who they put on the floor. Is it too much to ask that one of the preeminent voices in the sport move the conversation beyond what we would hear on Mike and Mike or some random local hacky sports talk show in Cleveland?

It's just sports so I think discussing whatever you want is fine.

I'll acknowledge this post now so you don't feel the need to post it a third time

[Spracne]

i think its weird/very weird that you guys listen to sports radio or whatever it is that you're talking about

And I'll ack. this post so HE doesn't feel the need to post it a third time.

[MakeItRain]

I think it's more weird how MIR is getting all Beems Gridiron Club butthurt about a Shocker team that has nothing to do with the Cats...maybe the bandwagon didn't want to stop to pick him up in his neighborhood?

get out of the thread then, simp

25-0.

 

Why the woohoo? Do you want them to keep winning so they could potentially be the first 1 seed to lose to a 16, because I do

[MakeItRain]

Its a really simple and hackneyed talking point, guess I expected him to take up a cause more nuanced and unexplored like how may Florida be helped by playing in a garbage conference.

Why?

Most college fans care about how good Wichita State is right now. The undefeated thing in the regular season is a big deal. The discussion of "would Florida go undefeated in the MVC" simply isn't interesting for most people. Plus Florida still has 7 wins over Top 50 teams.

I think you are reading something different than what I'm saying re Florida.

My larger point isn't that we shouldn't be discussing whether or not we should be discussing how good Wichita State is. Speculating whether or not they would lose in Ames does not advance that discussion, nor would it for any other team in America. The discussion about every other team and their worthiness is revolves around who they put on the floor. Is it too much to ask that one of the preeminent voices in the sport move the conversation beyond what we would hear on Mike and Mike or some random local hacky sports talk show in Cleveland?

And there you have the overratedness of one Doug Gotleib. I think he was great when he was coming up in the ranks but I think he's starting to take his game to the middle aged level where Colin Cowherd resides.

His show is becoming a lil dry to me when I hear it now. 

Great analysis MIR..

I don't know what it is but he has annoyed me quite a bit since he went to CBS Sports, especially on Twitter, it just seems to be a giant troll job.

[_33]

Its a really simple and hackneyed talking point, guess I expected him to take up a cause more nuanced and unexplored like how may Florida be helped by playing in a garbage conference.

Why?

Most college fans care about how good Wichita State is right now. The undefeated thing in the regular season is a big deal. The discussion of "would Florida go undefeated in the MVC" simply isn't interesting for most people. Plus Florida still has 7 wins over Top 50 teams.

I think you are reading something different than what I'm saying re Florida.

My larger point isn't that we shouldn't be discussing whether or not we should be discussing how good Wichita State is. Speculating whether or not they would lose in Ames does not advance that discussion, nor would it for any other team in America. The discussion about every other team and their worthiness is revolves around who they put on the floor. Is it too much to ask that one of the preeminent voices in the sport move the conversation beyond what we would hear on Mike and Mike or some random local hacky sports talk show in Cleveland?

And there you have the overratedness of one Doug Gotleib. I think he was great when he was coming up in the ranks but I think he's starting to take his game to the middle aged level where Colin Cowherd resides.

His show is becoming a lil dry to me when I hear it now. 

Great analysis MIR..

I don't know what it is but he has annoyed me quite a bit since he went to CBS Sports, especially on Twitter, it just seems to be a giant troll job.

I know what it is, and you're not going to like it.

[pissclams]

i could be wrong but i don't think most people look at the strength of schedule thing in a way that i think is most important.  at this point in the season, the biggest issue w/ SoS is the cumulative effect (or lack thereof) that playing shitty teams all season has on a team, not the singular event of playing a shitty team on a random tuesday night.  the opposite is true of those teams playing in tougher conferences.  i know it's obvious but i'm not sure people really consider it a whole lot when having these discussions.

[kso_FAN]

i could be wrong but i don't think most people look at the strength of schedule thing in a way that i think is most important.  at this point in the season, the biggest issue w/ SoS is the cumulative effect (or lack thereof) that playing shitty teams all season has on a team, not the singular event of playing a shitty team on a random tuesday night.  the opposite is true of those teams playing in tougher conferences.  i know it's obvious but i'm not sure people really consider it a whole lot when having these discussions.

Yes, good post.

[catzacker]

i could be wrong but i don't think most people look at the strength of schedule thing in a way that i think is most important.  at this point in the season, the biggest issue w/ SoS is the cumulative effect (or lack thereof) that playing shitty teams all season has on a team, not the singular event of playing a shitty team on a random tuesday night.  the opposite is true of those teams playing in tougher conferences.  i know it's obvious but i'm not sure people really consider it a whole lot when having these discussions.

this is exactly why I discount WSU.  It's not that they played Southern Illinois (226)...it's that they then played @ Evansville (226) and then @ Loyola (279)...up next is Drake (181) then a roadie at Bradley (248). 

sure, Syracuse lost to BC (166) but that was after playing Duke (8), ND (108), Clemson (68), @ Pitt (31), NC St (63)...and then after playing BC, they have to @ Duke (8), @ Maryland (74), @ Virginia (14). 

IMO, a team from the Big 12, Big 10, Pac-12, ACC, and possibly Florida deserve a #1 seed over WSU.

[MakeItRain]

Its a really simple and hackneyed talking point, guess I expected him to take up a cause more nuanced and unexplored like how may Florida be helped by playing in a garbage conference.

Why?

Most college fans care about how good Wichita State is right now. The undefeated thing in the regular season is a big deal. The discussion of "would Florida go undefeated in the MVC" simply isn't interesting for most people. Plus Florida still has 7 wins over Top 50 teams.

I think you are reading something different than what I'm saying re Florida.

My larger point isn't that we shouldn't be discussing whether or not we should be discussing how good Wichita State is. Speculating whether or not they would lose in Ames does not advance that discussion, nor would it for any other team in America. The discussion about every other team and their worthiness is revolves around who they put on the floor. Is it too much to ask that one of the preeminent voices in the sport move the conversation beyond what we would hear on Mike and Mike or some random local hacky sports talk show in Cleveland?

And there you have the overratedness of one Doug Gotleib. I think he was great when he was coming up in the ranks but I think he's starting to take his game to the middle aged level where Colin Cowherd resides.

His show is becoming a lil dry to me when I hear it now. 

Great analysis MIR..

I don't know what it is but he has annoyed me quite a bit since he went to CBS Sports, especially on Twitter, it just seems to be a giant troll job.

I know what it is, and you're not going to like it.

tell me because I'm not foolish enough to think that he's changed so why do I see him differently

[michigancat]

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_invisible_hand_of_home_court_advantage

[catzacker]

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_invisible_hand_of_home_court_advantage

i have no idea what he was trying to say.  apparently, Syracuse is the only team that benefits from home court advantage.  so eff them and everyone who thinks they are the #1 team.  meanwhile, wsu plays Bishop Carroll this week.

[michigancat]

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_invisible_hand_of_home_court_advantage

i have no idea what he was trying to say.  apparently, Syracuse is the only team that benefits from home court advantage.  so eff them and everyone who thinks they are the #1 team.  meanwhile, wsu plays Bishop Carroll this week.

that's exactly what he's saying

[lopakman]

28-0. Only undefeated team in the country.

 

[catzacker]

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_invisible_hand_of_home_court_advantage

i have no idea what he was trying to say.  apparently, Syracuse is the only team that benefits from home court advantage.  so eff them and everyone who thinks they are the #1 team.  meanwhile, wsu plays Bishop Carroll this week.

that's exactly what he's saying

well, then I guess I do know what he's saying.

[bones129]

29-0.

[lopakman]

29-0.

 

[scottwildcat]

[PvtLamb]

i could be wrong but i don't think most people look at the strength of schedule thing in a way that i think is most important.  at this point in the season, the biggest issue w/ SoS is the cumulative effect (or lack thereof) that playing shitty teams all season has on a team, not the singular event of playing a shitty team on a random tuesday night.  the opposite is true of those teams playing in tougher conferences.  i know it's obvious but i'm not sure people really consider it a whole lot when having these discussions.

Seems like there are examples on both sides of that - #2 Missouri losing in the 2nd round and of course KU losing in the 2nd or 3rd round after playing in the Big 12.

The biggest difference b/t WSU's schedule last year and this year, is not playing Creighton 3x.  Three games against Creighton, who lost their 2nd NCAA game, will make all of the difference?

Florida Gulf Coast last year smoking #2 Georgetown after playing in the Atlantic Sun.

[ChiComCat]

i could be wrong but i don't think most people look at the strength of schedule thing in a way that i think is most important.  at this point in the season, the biggest issue w/ SoS is the cumulative effect (or lack thereof) that playing shitty teams all season has on a team, not the singular event of playing a shitty team on a random tuesday night.  the opposite is true of those teams playing in tougher conferences.  i know it's obvious but i'm not sure people really consider it a whole lot when having these discussions.

Seems like there are examples on both sides of that - #2 Missouri losing in the 2nd round and of course KU losing in the 2nd or 3rd round after playing in the Big 12.

The biggest difference b/t WSU's schedule last year and this year, is not playing Creighton 3x.  Three games against Creighton, who lost their 2nd NCAA game, will make all of the difference?

Florida Gulf Coast last year smoking #2 Georgetown after playing in the Atlantic Sun.

Georgetown's consistency in the tournament says more about them than the win did for FGCU