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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: steve dave on August 24, 2011, 05:49:27 PM
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/24/steve-jobs-resigns-as-ceo-of-apple/
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he's going to die soon :frown:
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:zzz:
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I wonder if Bill Gates will try to die before him just to steal that from him too
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Do you think he's sick?
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Watching their stock is going to be fun. :gocho:
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he's going to die soon :frown:
Yep, :cry:
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He's on my 5 for 2011.
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Watching their stock is going to be fun. :gocho:
Down 5 percent after hours :barf:
Might pick up some more though, he hasn't exactly been running the day-to-day for a while. And Apple is sitting on an assload of cash right now.
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bad year for megalomaniacs.
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Do you think he's sick?
He's had pancreatic cancer for the past couple years
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:dubious:
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Time to buy fellas
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http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/8/24/2383035/with-steve-jobs-stepping-down-as-the-leader-of-the-free-world-apple-a
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:lol:
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:lol:
it's kind of a tragedy we went from the entertainment of Ron, to the boring of snyder.
Oh well. It is nice to smash KU once again.
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:lol:
it's kind of a tragedy we went from the entertainment of Ron, to the boring of snyder.
Oh well. It is nice to smash KU once again.
and OU
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:horrorsurprise:
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holy crap.
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bye steve :sadface:
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:horrorsurprise:
if that isn't photoshopped then i can't wait to see that episode of intervention
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:frown:
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:frown:
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I don't konw why you guys are sad, the guy was a genuine bad person and a prick. This is karma right here.
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called it.
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I don't konw why you guys are sad, the guy was a genuine bad person and a prick. This is karma right here.
oh really, you knew him?
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I don't konw why you guys are sad, the guy was a genuine bad person and a prick. This is karma right here.
oh really, you knew him?
jfc according to facebook everyone i know must be related to him or something :jerk:
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just don't like people dying and all.
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any correlation between macs and cancer?
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I don't konw why you guys are sad, the guy was a genuine bad person and a prick. This is karma right here.
oh really, you knew him?
Didn't know Hitler, either YFF.
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did the doctors not know they just needed to hold down menu and play at the same time?
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any correlation between macs and cancer?
Only direct.
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Hope he has money that will go to cancer research. :sdeek: (ftp://:sdeek:)How bad would it suck to be that rich, have that disease and not be able to anything about it?
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why does one get that thin? is it just that the cancer cells just suck all the energy in your body? are they very inefficient or something?
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:cry:
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why does one get that thin? is it just that the cancer cells just suck all the energy in your body? are they very inefficient or something?
More digestive system failure related, I'm guessing. As soon as someone starts looking skeletal like that, you know they don't have long.
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cachia or something?
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Also, chemo fucks your crap up. You're barely eating and the digestive system is ravaged and doesn't do it's job for crap.
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well, looks like i was wrong
For a long time, scientists believed that cancer would soak up all the incoming nutrients to fuel its own growth and thereby starve the rest of the body. This theory proved to be unlikely, however. Even small tumors, that comprise less than five percent of the patients weight, can cause cachexia. Furthermore, cachexia can be seen in cancer patients receiving excess calories intravenously.
Recent data proved these substances are cytokines, such as tumor necrosis factor alpha, interferon gamma, cachectin, interleukin 1 and interleukin 6. In fact, when these cytokines are injected into healthy animals, cachexia may ensue.
looks like it f*cks with your immune system or something. interesting. why am i an engineer? :frown:
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lol at fatty asking questions that he already more/less knew the answer to. also, what's my favorite number?
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my guess is going to be 4.01
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oops. it's actually 4. my bad fellas. sorry i was so way off on my original totally out there guess.
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lol at fatty asking questions that he already more/less knew the answer to. also, what's my favorite number?
not true rick. just not true. in fact, i realized i was wrong.
Oh well. I guess science/learning time is over. :blank:
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lol at fatty asking questions that he already more/less knew the answer to. also, what's my favorite number?
not true rick. just not true. in fact, i realized i was wrong.
Oh well. I guess science/learning time is over. :blank:
It's never over!
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I don't konw why you guys are sad, the guy was a genuine bad person and a prick. This is karma right here.
oh really, you knew him?
Didn't know Hitler, either YFF.
Oh, so you didn't know him. I see.
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lol at fatty asking questions that he already more/less knew the answer to. also, what's my favorite number?
not true rick. just not true. in fact, i realized i was wrong.
Oh well. I guess science/learning time is over. :blank:
why does one get that thin? is it just that the cancer cells just suck all the energy in your body? are they very inefficient or something?
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cachia or something?
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For a long time, scientists believed that cancer would soak up all the incoming nutrients to fuel its own growth and thereby starve the rest of the body. This theory proved to be unlikely, however. Even small tumors, that comprise less than five percent of the patients weight, can cause cachexia. Furthermore, cachexia can be seen in cancer patients receiving excess calories intravenously.
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honestly you should just go into medicine or something else that is interesting to you. even if you don't start working in your field until you are thirty five, you still have the next thirty years of your life to do it. worth giving up five years here or there to get into something that is interesting to you. thirty years is a long time. whatever though.
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Thanks rick. Go cats.
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Thanks rick. Go cats.
Listen to rick. Also listen to me. Most importantly, listen to your heart. Go cats.
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Thanks rick. Go cats.
maybe it's time for another RAB discussoPAK
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lol at fatty asking questions that he already more/less knew the answer to. also, what's my favorite number?
not true rick. just not true. in fact, i realized i was wrong.
Oh well. I guess science/learning time is over. :blank:
It's never over!
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why does one get that thin? is it just that the cancer cells just suck all the energy in your body? are they very inefficient or something?
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2008/06/13/steve-jobs-life-after-the-whipple/
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I would like to thank him for my MacBook Pro - the greatest invention the world has ever seen.
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I would like to thank him for my MacBook Pro - the greatest invention the world has ever seen.
why so? it's very expensive.
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I would like to thank him for my MacBook Pro - the greatest invention the world has ever seen.
why so? it's very expensive.
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ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
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I bet warren buffett and bill gates have a good chuckle over this at their next bridge game
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ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
:facepalm:
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ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
well, alot of it has to do with the way he died.
Cancer is totally in right now.
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ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
well, alot of it has to do with the way he died.
Cancer is totally in right now.
congrats trim
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Apple was very good at marketing. My god, i never saw this commercial before.
http://www.youtube.com/v/8rwsuXHA7RA?version=3&hl=en_US
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ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
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u mad?
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ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
well, alot of it has to do with the way he died.
Cancer is totally in right now.
congrats trim
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ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
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u mad?
no. you look really stupid minimizing what he did at apple by simply calling him the owner of the company. but that's your prerogative.
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comparisons to edison and einstein? okay, that's it. eff him.
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He tooted his own horn enough. No need for us to do it for him as well, guys.
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comparisons to edison and einstein? okay, that's it. eff him.
I just saw an article thanking him for Woody and Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, Steve Jobs thought up Toy Story by himself. In fact he even drew the whole rough ridin' trilogy by hand, didn't even have to use any computers for it.
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comparisons to edison and einstein? okay, that's it. eff him.
I just saw an article thanking him for Woody and Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, Steve Jobs thought up Toy Story by himself. In fact he even drew the whole rough ridin' trilogy by hand, didn't even have to use any computers for it.
why does this stuff piss people off so much? do you think Walt Disney did all of that for everything from the mouse to the slutty mermaid?
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comparisons to edison and einstein? okay, that's it. eff him.
I just saw an article thanking him for Woody and Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, Steve Jobs thought up Toy Story by himself. In fact he even drew the whole rough ridin' trilogy by hand, didn't even have to use any computers for it.
do you think Walt Disney did all of that for everything from the mouse to the slutty mermaid?
that point will be valid once i start seeing Walt Disney statuses.
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comparisons to edison and einstein? okay, that's it. eff him.
I just saw an article thanking him for Woody and Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, Steve Jobs thought up Toy Story by himself. In fact he even drew the whole rough ridin' trilogy by hand, didn't even have to use any computers for it.
do you think Walt Disney did all of that for everything from the mouse to the slutty mermaid?
that point will be valid once i start seeing Walt Disney statuses.
do you not think you would have been whenever he was alive/died? The fact remains, he was ultimately the most responsible person for all of them. eff, I don't even know what Jobs' relationship with Pixar was but if he was head crap or something he deserves the rec. Lea Iacoca (no idea on spelling) gets all the pub for the Mustang for eff sakes.
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i don't know SD. I cannot predict the past.
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Jobs owned Pixar after getting fired from Apple.
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Jobs owned Pixar after getting fired from Apple.
welp, sounds like he deserves the pub then.
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Jobs owned Pixar after getting fired from Apple.
He'll be missed. I wish I had known him.
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comparisons to edison and einstein? okay, that's it. eff him.
I just saw an article thanking him for Woody and Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, Steve Jobs thought up Toy Story by himself. In fact he even drew the whole rough ridin' trilogy by hand, didn't even have to use any computers for it.
why does this stuff piss people off so much? do you think Walt Disney did all of that for everything from the mouse to the slutty mermaid?
It doesn't piss me off at all but I am laughing at some of the praise being heaped on him. If I saw Walt Disney's frozen head I actually would thank him for somehow enabling a crew of animators to perve out on a mermaid.
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i don't know why people get pissed off about notre dame being spoken of like they're god's gift to football either. but eff notre dame.
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i don't know why people get pissed off about notre dame being spoken of like they're god's gift to football either. but eff notre dame.
yeah, the popular kids are assholes
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HE INVENTED THE MOUSE!!!
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Xerox invented the Mouse. Wozniak invented the PC. Some group of engineers designed the iPod and iPad. Jobs genius was putting everything together and driving the development to user-friendly products. He was a big thinker. His baby was really the Macintosh, which introduced desktop publishing to the world. MS had the good sense to copy it almost exactly with Windows. Jobs left Apple and started Next, which created the groundwork for OSX and bought Pixar from Lucasfilm. They did a computer animation demo with the jumping lamp that led to Toy Story.
The point is most everything he touched turned to Gold. A pretty amazing feat.
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Windows 1.0 copied OSX. so, apple invented windows too. sure it all goes back to xerox, but who the hell is xerox :lol:
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What's a xerox?
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Cut backs were yesterday. Woof! Never let go for 28 years and 2 in a 3 year span all of a sudden. I know I've ruffled some feathers with some of you, but let me know if you hear of any leads. Go cats!
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Ts and Ps fanman. you'll end up on your feet.
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Sorry to hear that wacky, this is a steve jobs thread though. You might have more luck in the layoffs thread.
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Sorry to hear that wacky, this is a steve jobs thread though. You might have more luck in the layoffs thread.
THATS OUR WACKY :lol:
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Whoops
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guess you shouldn't have used his coffee maker...
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WC is this going to hurt the future plans timeline with ms. WC08?
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guess you shouldn't have used his coffee maker...
Same department. :surprised:
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WC is this going to hurt the future plans timeline with ms. WC08?
Yup.
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Well this stinks. I owe you a 12 pack of beer and you are going to get that ASAP.
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Nah. I was just rough ridin' with ya. I just need your friendship. :cheers: You guys have no clue how much of a loser I feel. I do have a soft interview tomorrow however. crap like this really wakes you up.
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Congrats, bud!
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sorry wacky :frown:
hope the job search is quick and results in a good position.
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I bet cerner is hiring
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@tbt Thanks, bud! Me too.
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I bet cerner is hiring
I have contacts there, but I've never heard back. Great company tho.
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Drive for UberX while you are looking. You know KC and you are a friendly dude.
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Thx, bud. I feel humiliated by this, but that's a great suggestion.
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I'm going to need a very specific looking leading man when my 13 Ghosts prequel spinoff screenplay gets greenlit.
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driving for uber is a great idea if you have a decent car (i dunno what wackycat08 is driving these days)
sorry to hear bud, but i have to think this is a good thing in the long run. now you can badmouth that vulture company and tell us how predatory it really is.
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ipods and the other stuff are nice and everything, but people are getting way too caught up in his death. It's not like the second coming of Christ just died. It's not like you brother or sister just died either. Don't need to update your facebook status every 2 hours with another Steve Jobs quote or change your profile picture to him. Yeah, Apple has some nice inventions but he didn't make them with his own hands, or magically crap them out his ass, he just owned the company that did.
well, alot of it has to do with the way he died.
Cancer is totally in right now.
congrats trim
:gocho:
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Wacky would be an amazing uberx driver and I think he'd really enjoy it, too.
Sorry about the news, but you should have been looking for a job when I told you to a long ass time ago.
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Wacky would be an amazing uberx driver and I think he'd really enjoy it, too.
Sorry about the news, but you should have been looking for a job when I told you to a long ass time ago.
Yes. Definitely.
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driving for uber is a great idea if you have a decent car (i dunno what wackycat08 is driving these days)
sorry to hear bud, but i have to think this is a good thing in the long run. now you can badmouth that vulture company and tell us how predatory it really is.
They're will be great stories to be told some day.
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Congrats, bud!
i thought about not posting anything mean, but i decided that you posting in the wrong thread gave me the cover i needed.
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HE INVENTED THE MOUSE!!!
Xerox invented the Mouse.
Four Pinnochios! Give some love to Dougie Engelbart.
http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/of-mice-and-men/ (http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/of-mice-and-men/)
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WC is this going to hurt the future plans timeline with ms. WC08?
Yup.
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Keep your head up, friend. You'll be okay. I'll keep an ear to the ground for ya.
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Fanman, I literally cannot imagine a better driver to pick me up in an uber x. the fact that you aren't already driving for them kind of pisses me off actually.
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If you're into moving to Dallas I might know some people hiring software sales.
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Be careful with your insurance on the uber driving. Your insurer may have the ability to deny any claims(even if on road trip with mrs WC) if your have been or are using your car for commercial purposes.
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Sorry to hear this, fanman. You'll be better off in the long run.
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Be careful with your insurance on the uber driving. Your insurer may have the ability to deny any claims(even if on road trip with mrs WC) if your have been or are using your car for commercial purposes.
no negative consequences :blindfold:
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sorry to hear this fanwackster. whats the severance look like?
drive for uberx if you can while youre looking. you wont have the best hours but youll make decent money while you double dip and find another job.
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Thanks guys! My manager andI got a long really well and he's already reached out to a few companies where he has connections and I have a few interviews lined up on Monday already. Live and learn I guess. It's only a 2 week severance ftr.
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Thanks guys! My manager andI got a long really well and he's already reached out to a few companies where he has connections and I have a few interviews lined up on Monday already. Live and learn I guess. It's only a 2 week severance ftr.
Don't work in that industry again
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Agreed, this might just be a blessing in the skies.
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Honestly, I'm surprised they gave you any sort of severance at all.
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2 weeks? How long were you there? Sorry to hear about your bad fortune fanman.
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Get away from that industry
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WC, sorry to hear. Do agree to get out of that industry, though. Get back into software sales or try medical related sales stuff. Both are going to be around and strong, industry wise, for a long time.
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Agreed, this might just be a blessing in the skies.
it's a blessing in da skies, mon (cool fannings quote)
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Peggy Po: you can laugh at for-profit colleges like the rest of us
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why does wacky keep getting let go? theories?
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why does wacky keep getting let go? theories?
don't be a jackass.
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why does wacky keep getting let go? theories?
Perhaps it's his lack of attention to detail such as posting about his job status in a thread about Steve Jobs :D
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why does wacky keep getting let go? theories?
Perhaps it's his lack of attention to detail such as posting about his job status in a thread about Steve Jobs :D
Maybe he is super busy at work and doesn't like to spend too much time checking BBS details that mean crap? Speaking generally, not specifically, since he isn't at work now.
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guys knock it off sheesh
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guys knock it off sheesh
We are giving life advice, chillax.
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guys knock it off sheesh
Mine was a defense, not meant to be snark. I think it ridic that someone's BBS effort be thought to reflect their actual make-money work ethic.
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@CNS I was referring to Hemmy and Brock
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why does wacky keep getting let go? theories?
Perhaps it's his lack of attention to detail such as posting about his job status in a thread about Steve Jobs :D
that's an interesting hypothesis, brock landers.
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Sheesh guys I was just busting Wacky's chops a tiny bit, didn't you see me use the :D?
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Boy, gE sure can get emotional sometimes.
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Well I just think we should #1cat
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Fanman is down. No reason to kick. An upbeat Fanman is pretty integral to what goes on around here.
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Fanman is down. No reason to kick. An upbeat Fanman is pretty integral to what goes on around here.
he's a cancer.
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Hard to believe that Steve has been gone for over 3 years.
Wacky, get out there and find a great job. I think you knew all along that this last job was just a paycheck. Working for a paycheck sucks balls. Wake up tomorrow and write your old company a letter thanking them for paying you for an extra two weeks while you go out and find something that can become a career that you enjoy and not just a paycheck that leads to a better paycheck.
Who gives a crap about getting let go in a downsizing? That happens quite a bit. Keep your head up! :lynchmob:
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Well said. You're a class act, slobber.
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Hard to believe that Steve has been gone for over 3 years.
Wacky, get out there and find a great job. I think you knew all along that this last job was just a paycheck. Working for a paycheck sucks balls. Wake up tomorrow and write your old company a letter thanking them for paying you for an extra two weeks while you go out and find something that can become a career that you enjoy and not just a paycheck that leads to a better paycheck.
Who gives a crap about getting let go in a downsizing? That happens quite a bit. Keep your head up! :lynchmob:
Thanks, bud!
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Fanman is down. No reason to kick. An upbeat Fanman is pretty integral to what goes on around here.
he's a cancer.
What is it you think you bring to this board?
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What is it you think you bring to this board?
for one thing, i attack you every once in a while.
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What is it you think you bring to this board?
for one thing, i attack you every once in a while.
#blessed
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Important posters, what types of jobs do you have? I only know of cops and lawyers, is that all K-State is good for?
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IT
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Branding!
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Question for the faithful gE community:
If you currently have a job that you like going to and like the people at, what type of pay increase does it take for you to change jobs for more opportunity? I'm stuck in a pickle at my current job and am intrigued by another opportunity, both in the engineering field. The job i'm at pays average and it's a semi-slow advancement path, purely because the quantity of people and how the business works. The new opportunity would have quite a bit more potential for growth and career advancement but the culture is way different and I won't know anyone over there. In simple terms, it's like going from the environment of current day Google to the environment of 90's IBM...flex time, casual office, etc.
Thoughts?
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For a move to be worth your while, and you are leaving your current job of your own volition, I think it takes the total package (salary, benefits, etc.) to be at least a 10% bump. This could be offset by signing bonuses or if you're just like really geeked about the new gig.
That said, somebody did some study that lots of people are referencing these days that says once you make over $75k the correlation between pay increase and happiness/quality of life kind of plateaus.
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go work for Apple
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Question for the faithful gE community:
If you currently have a job that you like going to and like the people at, what type of pay increase does it take for you to change jobs for more opportunity? I'm stuck in a pickle at my current job and am intrigued by another opportunity, both in the engineering field. The job i'm at pays average and it's a semi-slow advancement path, purely because the quantity of people and how the business works. The new opportunity would have quite a bit more potential for growth and career advancement but the culture is way different and I won't know anyone over there. In simple terms, it's like going from the environment of current day Google to the environment of 90's IBM...flex time, casual office, etc.
Thoughts?
That kind of seems like a no brainer, but you should at least shoot for a 20% raise.
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Like, what scares you about wearing a t-shirt to work?
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wait, I may have misread
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I read this as currently having the laid back atmosphere with flex time and stuff. Correct? If so, it would have to be a pretty big raise for me to jump, assuming I was already making decent money.
How likely is it you could get back to your current job in a year if you don't like the other one?
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we just gonna adopt this thread as the job hunt thread and ignore steve?
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For a move to be worth your while, and you are leaving your current job of your own volition, I think it takes the total package (salary, benefits, etc.) to be at least a 10% bump. This could be offset by signing bonuses or if you're just like really geeked about the new gig.
That said, somebody did some study that lots of people are referencing these days that says once you make over $75k the correlation between pay increase and happiness/quality of life kind of plateaus.
I currently make over $75k, so this is definitely good info. Do you know which study it is by chance? I'd like to read it. I have read that after $75k, responsibility and expected employee ROI increases exponentially.
I read this as currently having the laid back atmosphere with flex time and stuff. Correct? If so, it would have to be a pretty big raise for me to jump, assuming I was already making decent money.
How likely is it you could get back to your current job in a year if you don't like the other one?
Currently I can wear whatever I want to work and it's very laid back. The company i'd move to would be more old school suit/tie type place. Not a huge issue to wear nicer things for me, but sometimes with that kind of culture change, there are other issues that arise and the company "feel" isn't productive anymore. The jump would be about a 30% base salary move but there are some unknowns to the equation on the new employer end.
The million dollar question of whether I can switch back to my current company if the new one doesn't work out is a tricky one. I'd like to think that I could, but at the same time, my current employer could just say F you out of spite alone.
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go work for Apple
If I could do engineering for Apple from Kansas City, sign me up. I think they're a great company, but no way in hell i'm moving to Cali...
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you seem like an old school suit/tie type guy
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just go work for burns and mac, dude.
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you seem like an old school suit/tie type guy
I am an old school suit/tie type guy and that doesn't bother me one bit. It's the culture and environment that suits/ties bring with them that is the question mark.
just go work for burns and mac, dude.
Not B&M. I've heard horror stories from over there...this is a much smaller firm that i'm looking at.
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the first thing you need to do is sit down and decide whether you currently make enough money. basically, is what you make enough for you to be happy. if your answer is yes then i would advise not to leave. if your answer is no, then yeah you might as well go ahead and take this one.
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California is pretty nice
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the first thing you need to do is sit down and decide whether you currently make enough money. basically, is what you make enough for you to be happy. if your answer is yes then i would advise not to leave. if your answer is no, then yeah you might as well go ahead and take this one.
Great advice here. Thanks RD!
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There's no dollar sign on peace of mind.
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There's no dollar sign on peace of mind.
but if he feels like he has to make more money, then he doesn't have peace of mind. it will continue to bug him and he'll eventually jump anyway, so why not just jump now?
for me personally, i decided a while ago that i make enough. could i make more by taking some other job? i mean i guess, but i don't dislike my current job. also, my current house is nice enough and i live in a town and neighborhood i like so why bother?
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Oh, not this thread again! :curse:
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I feel like I am in the same place (although I don't currently have another job offer). My current job is very laid back with just a few employees and pretty flexible if I need to take time off. Although the Pres is a micromanager and there aren't really any promotion opportunities....but I'm not actively looking for another job so I guess that means I am satisfied with the current job.
I'd say, besides the money side, you should consider where you want your career to go and whether you can get there by staying in your current job.
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There is obviously some dissatisfaction with shell's current position, or he wouldn't have gotten to a point where he was offered a job.
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Important posters, what types of jobs do you have? I only know of cops and lawyers, is that all K-State is good for?
Oh, man. I'd be the worst cop ever. I'd think everyone had a gun and I'd just start popping shots on every random speeding ticket.
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There's no dollar sign on peace of mind.
but if he feels like he has no make more money, then he doesn't have peace of mind. it will continue to bug him and he'll eventually jump anyway, so why not just jump now?
for me personally, i decided a while ago that i make enough. could i make more by taking some other job? i mean i guess, but i don't dislike my current job. also, my current house is nice enough and i live in a town and neighborhood i like so why bother?
Everything in life has a price.
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Dressing up everyday for work would be terrible.
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For a move to be worth your while, and you are leaving your current job of your own volition, I think it takes the total package (salary, benefits, etc.) to be at least a 10% bump. This could be offset by signing bonuses or if you're just like really geeked about the new gig.
That said, somebody did some study that lots of people are referencing these days that says once you make over $75k the correlation between pay increase and happiness/quality of life kind of plateaus.
I currently make over $75k, so this is definitely good info. Do you know which study it is by chance? I'd like to read it. I have read that after $75k, responsibility and expected employee ROI increases exponentially.
I read this as currently having the laid back atmosphere with flex time and stuff. Correct? If so, it would have to be a pretty big raise for me to jump, assuming I was already making decent money.
How likely is it you could get back to your current job in a year if you don't like the other one?
Currently I can wear whatever I want to work and it's very laid back. The company i'd move to would be more old school suit/tie type place. Not a huge issue to wear nicer things for me, but sometimes with that kind of culture change, there are other issues that arise and the company "feel" isn't productive anymore. The jump would be about a 30% base salary move but there are some unknowns to the equation on the new employer end.
The million dollar question of whether I can switch back to my current company if the new one doesn't work out is a tricky one. I'd like to think that I could, but at the same time, my current employer could just say F you out of spite alone.
http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2010/09/07/the-perfect-salary-for-happiness-75000-a-year/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2010/09/07/the-perfect-salary-for-happiness-75000-a-year/)
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That needs to be adjusted from 2010 dollars to 2015 dollars...which would be about $82K...also it says that the more money you make the more overall life happiness you have...so I guess Shellshock needs to take that higher paying job.
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Unless you are a workaholic, just absolutely love your job, or are super passionate about the service/product you provide, I think it is best to make enough money and find a good hobby, be involved with your family, and voluneer/etc. The job with flexibility, good vacation, and that doesn't make you work more than like 45hrs/week is the best way to go, imo. Find that with the right salary and it is pretty great.
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Unless you are a workaholic, just absolutely love your job, or are super passionate about the service/product you provide, I think it is best to make enough money and find a good hobby, be involved with your family, and voluneer/etc. The job with flexibility, good vacation, and that doesn't make you work more than like 45hrs/week is the best way to go, imo. Find that with the right salary and it is pretty great.
Yup, there's more to life than work. My boss finally figured that out after his divorce.
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There is obviously some dissatisfaction with shell's current position, or he wouldn't have gotten to a point where he was offered a job.
this is not true.
My opinion wrt salary is that I would never leave a company/job I like for less than 15%. I would never leave for a new job/company that I didn't feel I would be able to like. Culture is a big part of that.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I'm starting to consider looking for jobs outside of KC. Denver, Dallas, somewhere different. It's weird tho. Now it's even harder, because Ms. wacky would have to find a new job too.
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I'm starting to consider looking for jobs outside of KC. Denver, Dallas, somewhere different. It's weird tho. Now it's even harder, because Ms. wacky would have to find a new job too.
you could just find her a new job and you could be a stay at home dad raising the babies
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I'm starting to consider looking for jobs outside of KC. Denver, Dallas, somewhere different. It's weird tho. Now it's even harder, because Ms. wacky would have to find a new job too.
you could just find her a new job and you could be a stay at home dad raising the babies
Would take. It's sad, for profit schools have ruined my career. I'm striking out a lot on decent jobs.
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can ms wacky not transfer to the same/similar job in a different UA office?
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can ms wacky not transfer to the same/similar job in a different UA office?
It's a weird setup, she technically works for gear for sports, but specializes in their UA golf department. Gear for sports corporate is here in KC, so I don't think so. I want her to keep that job too. I think it's super cool what she gets to do. She just had a couple photos taken with Spieth at the office yesterday. I mean, what in the world?!!
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damn, that sucks!
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But she's down for moving. Specifically Colorado would be ideal for her.
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what about international? like the UA factory in indonesia or something?
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Wacks, do whatever you are going to do now or in the very near future. I mean, if you wait to the point that you have kids, or if they are even on the planning horizon, it may be a lot to overcome due to family and stuff.
Basically, if you want to get out of KC, get out now because it won't get any easier than it is now.
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Yeah, also, I love her family, but it's huge and this might be selfish of me, but we have plans every weekend with them. Kids bday, wedding, etc. I've worked 6 Saturday's in a row and now I have to run to another family event. Yikes! Make it stop.
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Yeah, also, I love her family, but it's huge and this might be selfish of me, but we have plans every weekend with them. Kids bday, wedding, etc. I've worked 6 Saturday's in a row and now I have to run to another family event. Yikes! Make it stop.
Add monthly long drives into that plan and you get what your life in Colorado will be. Close family won't just say oh well and stop with the plans. They will just start telling you that you never come around anymore and try to guilt you into that plane ticket often.
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Ugh.
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You can gradually ween yourself away from the family gatherings, making them less frequent as you go. And you can tell the people to come visit you in Colorado, instead of you having to come back to Kansas all the time.
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puni was close with the indonesia escape plan
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Move to annapolis maryland. She can work at UA hq in baltimore. You can start your broadcasting career.
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Yeah, also, I love her family, but it's huge and this might be selfish of me, but we have plans every weekend with them. Kids bday, wedding, etc. I've worked 6 Saturday's in a row and now I have to run to another family event. Yikes! Make it stop.
Add monthly long drives into that plan and you get what your life in Colorado will be. Close family won't just say oh well and stop with the plans. They will just start telling you that you never come around anymore and try to guilt you into that plane ticket often.
She's an heiress though so plane tickets are no prob :kstategrad:
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See!
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Move to annapolis maryland. She can work at UA hq in baltimore. You can start your broadcasting career.
team up with hud. Stay in kc.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I work for a school that has tech in it's letters and our computers are like from the 90's and the internet runs like the old dial up. :lol: Today, work was cancelled because somehow they shut down the power and don't know how to turn it back on. :lol:
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I work for a school that has tech in it's letters and our computers are like from the 90's and the internet runs like the old dial up. :lol: Today, work was cancelled because somehow they shut down the power and don't know how to turn it back on. :lol:
And your job is convincing poor people that it's in their best interest to attend this school.
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I'm trying to sale ppl $46,000 associate degrees when I can't find a good job with a masters. :lol:
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I'm trying to sale ppl $46,000 associate degrees when I can't find a good job with a masters. :lol:
:D
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:lol: but also, are you having a manic episode? :frown:
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I think I'm going a little crazy you guys!
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I'm trying to sale ppl $46,000 associate degrees when I can't find a good job with a masters after graduating from a school just like the one I am trying to sale them on. :lol:
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I kid because I care. How is the resume company working out for you? How many jobs did you apply for this week? What did you do to network this week to increase the awareness that there is an awesome guy in KC named WackyCat08 that some company should be trying to hire RIGHT NOW?
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can ms wacky not transfer to the same/similar job in a different UA office?
It's a weird setup, she technically works for gear for sports, but specializes in their UA golf department. Gear for sports corporate is here in KC, so I don't think so. I want her to keep that job too. I think it's super cool what she gets to do. She just had a couple photos taken with Spieth at the office yesterday. I mean, what in the world?!!
She will get sick of Gear. Everyone does
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Meh. It was free, but yeah, I get it (masters from UOP). I've done really well this week. I have a few friends at good companies (like kiewit, state street, etc.) that work in their HR departments. I applied for over 35 jobs this week and I'm getting some good feedback, but some of these jobs have really shitty bases that I'm not willing to lower to. I'm just not patient.
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Meh. It was free, but yeah, I get it (masters from UOP). I've done really well this week. I have a few friends at good companies (like kiewit, state street, etc.) that work in their HR departments. I applied for over 35 jobs this week and I'm getting some good feedback, but some of these jobs have really shitty bases that I'm not willing to lower to. I'm just not patient.
Good job!
Next week apply for 35 jobs where you don't have a good friend in HR. Cast a wider net. It would seem that applying at a place because you know somebody in HR is not a great idea to land your perfect job.
Applying for your perfect job at a place that happens to have somebody you know in HR is fortuitous.
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I'd look into dobber's qualifications before taking his advise. I mean, here's a guy who does not and will never have the money to buy a lake house. Ltsifam
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he has two A/C units, tho
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Dobber installed a drip irrigation system in his garden. That's not cheap.
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I'd look into dobber's qualifications before taking his advise. I mean, here's a guy who does not and will never have the money to buy a lake house. Ltsifam
THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!!!!
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he has two A/C units, tho
That you know of!
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:surprised:
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Dobber installed a drip irrigation system in his garden. That's not cheap.
It's not even for a garden. It's for ornamental plants. At least a garden would cut down on my food bill. This drip irrigation system serves no purpose but to provide me aesthetic pleasure.
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Meh. It was free, but yeah, I get it (masters from UOP). I've done really well this week. I have a few friends at good companies (like kiewit, state street, etc.) that work in their HR departments. I applied for over 35 jobs this week and I'm getting some good feedback, but some of these jobs have really shitty bases that I'm not willing to lower to. I'm just not patient.
Are you applying for jobs in KC or Denver?
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Wacky, I'd look into taking a new job with a lower base pay, as long as it's from a reputable company that you could see a future for yourself with.
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Wacky, I'd look into taking a new job with a lower base pay, as long as it's from a reputable company that you could see a future for yourself with.
I agree with this. Don't stay at a better paying-crappy job where you have the fear of getting let go nearly once a month. Go get a job that has some stability and opportunity for growth.
What would happen if you got let go today? Then that lower paying job would look pretty effing good.
Most of what people are trying to tell you applies to everyone. Nothing is really directed at you specifically, so don't take it personally (just in case you are taking it personally).
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Mrs. Gooch is asking another great question, and I know it was discussed yesterday, but take advantage of your fiance's willingness to move. Cast a big ass net! Do nothing to limit the possibilities. Don't think you have to 'have an in' to get every job. That is a crutch that losers use.
My bro applied for a job in an industry that he had no experience in. When he showed up for the interview, the hiring manager said, "I am going to be straight with you, this position is going to be filled from within. We have two well qualified internal candidates. That being said, I flipped through a bunch of resumes from the outside and yours is the only one that piqued my interest. I told HR I wasn't hiring anyone until I had the chance to meet you."
My bro did not have any friends in the company.
My bro spent about $1500 with a company in KC that does resumes and strength finders and such.
My bro had a really good job when he was interviewing for the new job. (he was not unemployed)
My bro got the job.
To finish this little exercise...
CASE CLOSED!
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interesting story dobbsler. did your brother get/take the job and does he like it?
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I've done really well this week. I have a few friends at good companies (like kiewit, state street, etc.)
My little bro worked there for like 3 weeks, decided it sucked ass and changed jobs immediately, FWIW
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interesting story dobbsler. did your brother get/take the job and does he like it?
Yes, he took the job and he likes it. He was wanting to do something different, but didn't want to just fall into a different position/company.
He has been there for a few years now. I know there are times that he wants to move away from corporate america, but he is happy.
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I've done really well this week. I have a few friends at good companies (like kiewit, state street, etc.)
My little bro worked there for like 3 weeks, decided it sucked ass and changed jobs immediately, FWIW
Good to know. Our friend just got promoted to VP. That's why I was considering it. Also, I've just applied to KC jobs. I'll start looking into Denver this weekend.
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interesting story dobbsler. did your brother get/take the job and does he like it?
Yes, he took the job and he likes it. He was wanting to do something different, but didn't want to just fall into a different position/company.
He has been there for a few years now. I know there are times that he wants to move away from corporate america, but he is happy.
maybe you could post the $1500 resume and wacky or anybody else could just put their name on top
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interesting story dobbsler. did your brother get/take the job and does he like it?
Yes, he took the job and he likes it. He was wanting to do something different, but didn't want to just fall into a different position/company.
He has been there for a few years now. I know there are times that he wants to move away from corporate america, but he is happy.
maybe you could post the $1500 resume and wacky or anybody else could just put their name on top
That is not quite how it works. He actually answered questions and took tests so the resume was a direct reflection of who he is and what he wanted to do career wise.
I've met Wacky and he and my bro would get along great, but they are not quite the same personality wise.
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but this is a proven resume!
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I think $1500 is a way too much money to spend trying to get a job that will be a lateral move. Wacky should just post his resume on this thread and get advice instead.
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I think $1500 is a way too much money to spend trying to get a job that will be a lateral move. Wacky should just post his resume on this thread and get advice instead.
Well, that is another idea.
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Michigancat is looking over it right now and I have a friend that works in career services looking over it too. That's what she does for a living.
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Do you have any major accomplishments career-wise? Like were you top salesman at any company you've worked for? Are you having trouble landing interviews, or are you interviewing and then getting turned down?
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I though the board was going to handle this?
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Do you have any major accomplishments career-wise?
Like chili cook off champion :cool:
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Heading to the pool guys. Great talk. I appreciate the help. Also, yeah I've led in sales for a few quarters in sales at places. I was leading at DSI before they fired me because I took a pto day to go broadcast an espn3 game up in Nebraska. Those rough ridin' pricks! :shakesfist:
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If you are getting interviews, your resume is probably ok. I'd spend more time researching the companies you are applying for if that is the case.
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Wacky, which one of these is your resume?
http://www.dose.com/lists/21795/18-Atrocious-Resumes-That-Probably-Won-t-Lead-to-a-Ton-of-Career-Opportunities-ab660-3?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Ads&utm_campaign=SaBa
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Wacky, which one of these is your resume?
http://www.dose.com/lists/21795/18-Atrocious-Resumes-That-Probably-Won-t-Lead-to-a-Ton-of-Career-Opportunities-ab660-3?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Ads&utm_campaign=SaBa
lol. :shakesfist: It's not that bad. @Michigancat looked over it this weekend and gave me some great suggestions. He also didn't totally wipe out everything with red, so that's a positive.
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Also, protips on what Michigancat likes and his address would be greatly appreciated. TIA.
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Dorothy Lynch salad dressing
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Just pick any random post from this thread.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=12688.0
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Plz tell me I'm better than life insurance sales. These mofos are zapping the crap out of on LinkedIn. Massive calls ya'll
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Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
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Well, I don't know if you've picked up a phone these days to call up your 401 k provider, credit cards, health insurance, etc. but no one speaks English when you get on the phone with them, so I don't think it's legal to not hire them for that. I'm pretty sure that's not :opcat: either, that's just the fact, jack!
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Plz tell me I'm better than life insurance sales. These mofos are zapping the crap out of on LinkedIn. Massive calls ya'll
It's better than what you are doing now.
Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
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One of the insurance companies recruiters told me she couldn't send me an email for their site and the time they wanted me to come in, because she didn't have her email setup yet. :lol: http://www.oldhamagencykc.com/about-oldham-midwest/
This is the other one: http://kansascity.mo.bankerslife.com/
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Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
Well, that doesn't answer if it is legal or illegal.
OK, but what if it is a situation where it's like we are going to hire someone if/when we find someone who is a good fit for the position we need - we might not ever hire someone if we don't find the right person (so therefore even the "best" candidate might not get hired if they are not the right fit for the position/company)...and English as a first language is just one of the criteria for being the right fit.
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Well, that doesn't answer if it is legal or illegal.
OK, but what if it is a situation where it's like we are going to hire someone if/when we find someone who is a good fit for the position we need - we might not ever hire someone if we don't find the right person (so therefore even the "best" candidate might not get hired if they are not the right fit for the position/company)...and English as a first language is just one of the criteria for being the right fit.
Yes, it's illegal. (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm) Your company should probably be ashamed of itself for even considering that.
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Well, that doesn't answer if it is legal or illegal.
OK, but what if it is a situation where it's like we are going to hire someone if/when we find someone who is a good fit for the position we need - we might not ever hire someone if we don't find the right person (so therefore even the "best" candidate might not get hired if they are not the right fit for the position/company)...and English as a first language is just one of the criteria for being the right fit.
Yes, it's illegal. (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm) Your company should probably be ashamed of itself for even considering that.
I said "what if". This is a totally hypothetical situation that doesn't really exist in real life (for the record).
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Well, that doesn't answer if it is legal or illegal.
OK, but what if it is a situation where it's like we are going to hire someone if/when we find someone who is a good fit for the position we need - we might not ever hire someone if we don't find the right person (so therefore even the "best" candidate might not get hired if they are not the right fit for the position/company)...and English as a first language is just one of the criteria for being the right fit.
Yes, it's illegal. (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm) Your company should probably be ashamed of itself for even considering that.
I'm a firm believer in companies being able to hire/fire whoever they want to. The most qualified candidate might not be the best fit for your company. The fact that people get sued for this all the time is ridiculous and all these hiring rules/laws are BS in my opinion. If I own a company, I should be able to hire/fire whoever I want, whenever I want, for whatever reason I want.
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Well, that doesn't answer if it is legal or illegal.
OK, but what if it is a situation where it's like we are going to hire someone if/when we find someone who is a good fit for the position we need - we might not ever hire someone if we don't find the right person (so therefore even the "best" candidate might not get hired if they are not the right fit for the position/company)...and English as a first language is just one of the criteria for being the right fit.
Yes, it's illegal. (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm) Your company should probably be ashamed of itself for even considering that.
I'm a firm believer in companies being able to hire/fire whoever they want to. The most qualified candidate might not be the best fit for your company. The fact that people get sued for this all the time is ridiculous and all these hiring rules/laws are BS in my opinion. If I own a company, I should be able to hire/fire whoever I want, whenever I want, for whatever reason I want.
You can. You just can't tell other people why they are being fired.
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I believe that it's probably a good idea for the government to do what it can to make it possible for minorities to succeed in life and find good jobs in the private sector.
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it's arguable whether you could legally discriminate against a candidate for not being a native english speaker. but if the position involves speaking english you can certainly discriminate among candidates based on english proficiency, including accent, which i'm sure is what mrs. gooch meant.
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it's arguable whether you could legally discriminate against a candidate for not being a native english speaker. but if the position involves speaking english you can certainly discriminate among candidates based on english proficiency, including accent, which i'm sure is what mrs. gooch meant.
Yes, the job includes speaking to your co-workers in English, giving presentations in English, telecons in English, emailing in English....
And it is not about the fact that that are not a native English speaker, but that it is so obvious that English is not their first language because they are not speaking it correctly.
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it's arguable whether you could legally discriminate against a candidate for not being a native english speaker. but if the position involves speaking english you can certainly discriminate among candidates based on english proficiency, including accent, which i'm sure is what mrs. gooch meant.
Yes, the job includes speaking to your co-workers in English, giving presentations in English, telecons in English, emailing in English....
And it is not about the fact that that are not a native English speaker, but that it is so obvious that English is not their first language because they are not speaking it correctly.
Actually it is more of a LOL that the first thing the hiring manager says after the candidate leaves is that English is not his first language....Hypothetically.
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it's arguable whether you could legally discriminate against a candidate for not being a native english speaker. but if the position involves speaking english you can certainly discriminate among candidates based on english proficiency, including accent, which i'm sure is what mrs. gooch meant.
Yes, the job includes speaking to your co-workers in English, giving presentations in English, telecons in English, emailing in English....
And it is not about the fact that that are not a native English speaker, but that it is so obvious that English is not their first language because they are not speaking it correctly.
I think it's safe to not hire him as long as you don't tell him why you aren't hiring them. The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
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it's arguable whether you could legally discriminate against a candidate for not being a native english speaker. but if the position involves speaking english you can certainly discriminate among candidates based on english proficiency, including accent, which i'm sure is what mrs. gooch meant.
Yes, the job includes speaking to your co-workers in English, giving presentations in English, telecons in English, emailing in English....
And it is not about the fact that that are not a native English speaker, but that it is so obvious that English is not their first language because they are not speaking it correctly.
I think it's safe to not hire him as long as you don't tell him why you aren't hiring them. The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
Accent isn't that same as having the incorrect sentence structure.
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it's arguable whether you could legally discriminate against a candidate for not being a native english speaker. but if the position involves speaking english you can certainly discriminate among candidates based on english proficiency, including accent, which i'm sure is what mrs. gooch meant.
Yes, the job includes speaking to your co-workers in English, giving presentations in English, telecons in English, emailing in English....
And it is not about the fact that that are not a native English speaker, but that it is so obvious that English is not their first language because they are not speaking it correctly.
I think it's safe to not hire him as long as you don't tell him why you aren't hiring them. The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
Accent isn't that same as having the incorrect sentence structure.
Well, you never mentioned that. That is not the same thing as speaking English as a second language or having an accent.
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The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
actually, it very clearly says that you can - if the accent would interfere with the applicant's job performance. accent is a part of language proficiency, it would be ludicrous to suggest that you couldn't make language proficiency a qualification for a job.
...and is not job-related or necessary to the operation of the business.
An employer can only require an employee to speak fluent English if fluency in English is necessary to perform the job effectively. An “English-only rule”, which requires employees to speak only English on the job, is only allowed if it is needed to ensure the safe or efficient operation of the employer’s business and is put in place for nondiscriminatory reasons.
An employer may not base an employment decision on an employee’s foreign accent, unless the accent seriously interferes with the employee’s job performance.
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The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
actually, it very clearly says that you can - if the accent would interfere with the applicant's job performance. accent is a part of language proficiency, it would be ludicrous to suggest that you couldn't make language proficiency a qualification for a job.
...and is not job-related or necessary to the operation of the business.
An employer can only require an employee to speak fluent English if fluency in English is necessary to perform the job effectively. An “English-only rule”, which requires employees to speak only English on the job, is only allowed if it is needed to ensure the safe or efficient operation of the employer’s business and is put in place for nondiscriminatory reasons.
An employer may not base an employment decision on an employee’s foreign accent, unless the accent seriously interferes with the employee’s job performance.
Yeah, it's legal to not hire somebody because of their accent if you can justify it with a whole bunch of vaguely defined tests that may or may not hold up in court. It's quite possible that Mrs. Gooch's office already employs somebody with poor English skills (someone like WackyCat), which would make refusing to hire this guy who very likely has a better mastery of the English language less defendable.
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Who knew I married such a racist? :dunno:
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We only have 10 employees so finding one with poor English skills might be more difficult than you think.
Also, it is NOT me who is not hiring the guy.
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The EEOC's website makes it pretty clear that you can't legally refuse to hire somebody because they have an accent, though.
actually, it very clearly says that you can - if the accent would interfere with the applicant's job performance. accent is a part of language proficiency, it would be ludicrous to suggest that you couldn't make language proficiency a qualification for a job.
...and is not job-related or necessary to the operation of the business.
An employer can only require an employee to speak fluent English if fluency in English is necessary to perform the job effectively. An “English-only rule”, which requires employees to speak only English on the job, is only allowed if it is needed to ensure the safe or efficient operation of the employer’s business and is put in place for nondiscriminatory reasons.
An employer may not base an employment decision on an employee’s foreign accent, unless the accent seriously interferes with the employee’s job performance.
Yeah, it's legal to not hire somebody because of their accent if you can justify it with a whole bunch of vaguely defined tests that may or may not hold up in court. It's quite possible that Mrs. Gooch's office already employs somebody with poor English skills (someone like WackyCat), which would make refusing to hire this guy who very likely has a better mastery of the English language less defendable.
if the dumbass who already works there and is terrible at speaking/writing the english language holds a different position that doesn't require it, then no it isn't that difficult to distinguish from the prospective hire if the job they want does.
get a load of captain thinks he knows what's legal and illegal over here. talking a steady stream of nonsense straight out of your bad person isn't knowing the law. sys tried to correct course on your dumbassery and you were all "nope, nope i'm rough ridin' doing this."
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Plz tell me I'm better than life insurance sales. These mofos are zapping the crap out of on LinkedIn. Massive calls ya'll
It's better than what you are doing now.
Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
What if the job is for an English teacher?
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ratm has personal feelings about this and he thinks that's the same as knowing what the law allows. he's got crap for his brains obvs.
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I'm trying to sale ppl $46,000 associate degrees when I can't find a good job with a masters. :lol:
:D
that's my biggest pet peeve. people who can't differentiate between the usage of SELL and SALE.
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I'm trying to sale ppl $46,000 associate degrees when I can't find a good job with a masters. :lol:
:D
that's my biggest pet peeve. people who can't differentiate between the usage of SELL and SALE.
Well, how 'bout you make like a kite and sell away.
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God bless you WackyCat08 :lol:
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I'm trying to sale ppl $46,000 associate degrees when I can't find a good job with a masters. :lol:
:D
that's my biggest pet peeve. people who can't differentiate between the usage of SELL and SALE.
Well, make like a kite and sell away.
it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. I see it all the time on CL and Facebook, and it makes me get edgy.
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Plz tell me I'm better than life insurance sales. These mofos are zapping the crap out of on LinkedIn. Massive calls ya'll
It's better than what you are doing now.
Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
What if the job is for an English teacher?
You probably had a very poor applicant pool.
Seriously, though, The best English teacher I've ever had was from India. My high school Spanish teacher's first language was English. She wasn't that great. If I were hiring an English teacher and somebody who spoke English as a second language had better experience and credentials than all of the other applicants, I'd probably hire the foreigner.
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Plz tell me I'm better than life insurance sales. These mofos are zapping the crap out of on LinkedIn. Massive calls ya'll
It's better than what you are doing now.
Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
What if the job is for an English teacher?
You probably had a very poor applicant pool.
Seriously, though, The best English teacher I've ever had was from India. My high school Spanish teacher's first language was English. She wasn't that great. If I were hiring an English teacher and somebody who spoke English as a second language had better experience and credentials than all of the other applicants, I'd probably hire the foreigner.
You know those aren't synonyms, right?
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Yeah I'm pretty sure the guy who hypothetically didn't get hired is a US Citizen (and was probably born here too).
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Plz tell me I'm better than life insurance sales. These mofos are zapping the crap out of on LinkedIn. Massive calls ya'll
It's better than what you are doing now.
Is it legal or illegal to not hire someone because English appears (sounds?) to not be their first language?
If that is the only reason you don't want to hire them, then they are probably the best candidate.
What if the job is for an English teacher?
You probably had a very poor applicant pool.
Seriously, though, The best English teacher I've ever had was from India. My high school Spanish teacher's first language was English. She wasn't that great. If I were hiring an English teacher and somebody who spoke English as a second language had better experience and credentials than all of the other applicants, I'd probably hire the foreigner.
You know those aren't synonyms, right?
Yes.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure the guy who hypothetically didn't get hired is a US Citizen (and was probably born here too).
What type of accent was it?
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This woman single-handedly murdered a Dodge City Village Square Mall institution, yet the company still offered her a position at another location.
"We were told in early June the store would be closing," Christopher and Banks manager Charnea Cecil said. "I have only been manager here for about a month and a half but did see that our store was not doing much business.
"Then people from the corporate office came in to check on the store and three hours later when they left, they called me to say the store would be closing in six weeks."
"I was offered a job at a possible Liberal location," Cecil said, "but I don’t want to live in Liberal. I grew up here and fashion has been something I have wanted to do since I was a kid.
http://www.dodgeglobe.com/article/20150708/NEWS/150709584
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Have you guys ever done a Video interview? It's like, recorded and a computer asks you the questions. I'm doing one before work tomorrow. I'm interested to see how this thing goes. Hmmm....
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Have you guys ever done a Video interview? It's like, recorded and a computer asks you the questions. I'm doing one before work tomorrow. I'm interested to see how this thing goes. Hmmm....
That sounds weird. Never heard of it....so it is just some standard questions? It can't really follow up based on your answer, can it? Unless it is like one of those make your own adventure books. LOL
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pass on this one...
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if they don't have the time to have an actual person do the interview, it's not worth giving 50% in that interview
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It's weird, because I applied w/ this company a couple of months ago for another position and I came in and did a face-to-face with them. You can record your answer, delete it if you don't like your answer, and record it again. It takes about 15 minutes. I don't work till noon tomorrow, so I'll probably do it before work. It's an up and coming company out of San Fran that just posted up shop here, downtown. It should be interesting.
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It's weird, because I applied w/ this company a couple of months ago for another position and I came in and did a face-to-face with them. You can record your answer, delete it if you don't like your answer, and record it again. It takes about 15 minutes. I don't work till noon tomorrow, so I'll probably do it before work. It's an up and coming company out of San Fran that just posted up shop here, downtown. It should be interesting.
They are probably not really going to delete your answers and then they will keep track of how many times you re-did your answers and evaluate you that way.
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Trust us! We realize this is a new tool and probably a new experience for you. We're not robots, and we know you are not either. If you are getting this invitation it means that we have reviewed your background, and you are seriously being considered for this opportunity.
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Sounds made up!
A few things to keep in mind:
-Make sure you take the test questions and watch your responses.
-Confirm that your recording volume is good so we can hear you
-Each question will give you some time to prepare your answer, when you're ready click record.
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I seriously consider not being serious about this
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i mean i guess if you arent good with interview questions it could help, but it could also give someone who wasnt prepared an advantage
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also how do they know that the person actually talking is the real one? like there could be people that could do interviews for you and you just pay them by the minute or something
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also also maybe they are weird AF and they dont want to scare away good candidates by being weird AF
idk wacky im just thinking out loud here
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They've been stalking my LinkedIn page.
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never heard of something like this.
Have done skype interviews before though.
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also how do they know that the person actually talking is the real one? like there could be people that could do interviews for you and you just pay them by the minute or something
But it is a video so they would know it wasn't him if he showed up at the job later...
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also how do they know that the person actually talking is the real one? like there could be people that could do interviews for you and you just pay them by the minute or something
But it is a video so they would know it wasn't him if he showed up at the job later...
i wasnt saying wacky was going to do that, i was just saying that someone might do that and not think it through all the way
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I had a similar interview for Kiewit Power a couple years ago
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Interesting. How did it go?
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Interesting. How did it go?
Far more awkward than a regular interview. You don't realize how much you rely on the interviewer's reactions as you answer their questions. I wouldn't sweat it too much. If they like you, you'll get a real interview.
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Cool. Thanks!
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I did one a few years ago Wacky and it was awful. Watching pre-recorded video questions and then video recording your answer to submit back seemed like a waste of time and gave me an negative perception on the company that wanted me to interview in the first place.
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Dang. Oh well, I'll give it a shot. The position would fit me well.
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have ms wacky video herself asking you some general interview questions and practice before you do the real thing, just so its not super weird and only less weird when you actually do it.
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I will. I would work as a corporate recruiter and travel to college fairs to talk to people about the company. It would fit my background very well. Here goes nothing.
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I will. I would work as a corporate recruiter and travel to college fairs to talk to people about the company. It would fit my background very well. Here goes nothing.
Oh man, I hope you get this job. I cannot wait until the subsequent thread on gE reviewing the hijinks and such that ensues.
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Is it smart to unleash Wacky on basically every college campus, give him an expense acct, and pay him to do it? Man, I just don't know.
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:fatty:
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Is it smart IT IS rough ridin' BRILLIANT to unleash Wacky on basically every college campus, give him an expense acct, and pay him to do it?!! Man, I just don't know OF ANYTHING THAT COULD BE BETTER!!!
FYP
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Also I wouldn't see the video interview as a negative about the company, necessarily. Just about every company I've worked with experiments with new HR-related software almost constantly.
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Also I wouldn't see the video interview as a negative about the company, necessarily. Just about every company I've worked with experiments with new HR-related software almost constantly.
Seems like an accurate statement. Might make it a positive that the company is exploring more efficient and effective ways of hiring people, which could also lead to a mindset of trying different things within the business.
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Sounds really hipstery
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/24/steve-jobs-resigns-as-ceo-of-apple/
Just a reminder of the OP in this thread
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:lol:
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lol. We changed the reasoning for this thread awhile ago. :D
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lol. We changed the reasoning for this thread awhile ago. :D
we?
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lol. We changed the reasoning for this thread awhile ago. :D
we?
Shut up, tonya.
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lol. We changed the reasoning for this thread awhile ago. :D
we?
Shut up, tonya.
Yes!
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I did one a few years ago Wacky and it was awful. Watching pre-recorded video questions and then video recording your answer to submit back seemed like a waste of time and gave me an negative perception on the company that wanted me to interview in the first place.
My only complaint about an interview this way is that you have no social queues to indicate how you did. Voice/body language are not available to read. The HR person I talked to was really impressed with mine though.
From my experience: Write down a few anecdotes or details that you want to get in there and have them sitting just off camera but where you can see them. Try to work them in if the question allows. As you have no social queues/follow up questions to tell when a response is adequate, don't just ramble until the end of the time. You definitely don't want just use 10 seconds or so, but no need to keep going if you have nothing else to say on the subject. They will definitely do in person interviews and this is likely just to screen idiots so my goal was to give them something that stands out early, seem confident, and seem competent.
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What did you wear, chicat? I'm doing mine tonight and I don't get off work till 9. Should I throw on a tie for this thing?
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What did you wear, chicat? I'm doing mine tonight and I don't get off work till 9. Should I throw on a tie for this thing?
Yeah, but no pants. LOL
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:thumbs:
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I did tie and no pants :)
Overdressing is really never a bad thing, imo. Worst case you are showing that you are making every effort and really interested. I've had people interview with me that were way overdressed and they pretty much always get the job
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And if you want to practice, I wouldn't have your GF read you the questions. She could write some, you take 30 seconds to prep, and you respond to your recording phone. If you watch or hear anybody, it really doesn't give the experience of no social queues justice. Its awkward but at least it is awkward for everyone interviewing.
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Thanks! :thumbs:
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today is my last day.
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today is my last day.
or it's the first day of the rest of your life :D
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today is my last day.
or it's the first day of the rest of your life :D
possibly! im excited to go back to school. should be a nice change of pace.
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Wrong thread, dumbass. Also, congrats!
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Still dead.
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I've received 3 job offers this week. It's going to be tough to decide which one to take.
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I've received 3 job offers this week. It's going to be tough to decide which one to take.
That's awesome, you should take the one that will give you the most fullfillment/opportunity, and if that happens to be the one that pays the most then Heeeyyy!
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I've received 3 job offers this week. It's going to be tough to decide which one to take.
That's awesome, you should take the one that will give you the most fullfillment/opportunity, and if that happens to be the one that pays the most then Heeeyyy!
Flexability, fullfillment, and ability to have a life outside of work. Mesh that with the right income.
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I got a call for another position today. However, none of these jobs are wanting to match my salary requirements. I reached out to a headhunter today to see what it is I'm missing. Michigancat already helped a ton with my resume. I did the interview to the computer last night and thought it went well. I agree it was pretty awkward at the same time.
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are you applying for the right kind of job, or just something you think will be similar to what you do now?
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my point being are you applying to jobs that just churn through people, or jobs that you see yourself at long term
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are you applying for the right kind of job, or just something you think will be similar to what you do now?
I'm trying to apply for the right type of job, but I'm also running out of time here. They've cut half the staff since I've been here (only 6 months here). This place is by far the worst place I've ever worked for. I really need to get out of the for profit college game. My moral compass can't take it any longer. Unfortunately, my background reads recruiter/sales and it's hard to dive into a new career outside of that, without the experience. I've definitely been a part of a lot of jobs that just churn through ppl.
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I've received 3 job offers this week. It's going to be tough to decide which one to take.
That's awesome, you should take the one that will give you the most fullfillment/opportunity, and if that happens to be the one that pays the most then Heeeyyy!
They're all pretty much doing the same thing, so the fulfillment is probably equal.
One job is with my current company, a Fortune 10 company, very stable, great benefits. Close to my home.
Second job is with a new company but selling a product that I'm very familiar with. Would work from home when not out visiting clients.
Third job has the most earning potential but is a very small company (10 employees). Would need to drive into the office every day which is about 25 miles away from the new house.
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You can't work from home without a 4 car garage and 2 basements
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are you applying for the right kind of job, or just something you think will be similar to what you do now?
I'm trying to apply for the right type of job, but I'm also running out of time here. They've cut half the staff since I've been here (only 6 months here). This place is by far the worst place I've ever worked for. I really need to get out of the for profit college game. My moral compass can't take it any longer. Unfortunately, my background reads recruiter/sales and it's hard to dive into a new career outside of that, without the experience. I've definitely been a part of a lot of jobs that just churn through ppl.
if you're trying to go a different career direction, without experience, you're not going to be able to ask to make what you're making now, i'm guessing
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Yeah, I agree. When I received my Masters, I thought that would help when negotiating salaries, but apparently nobody gaf about them. Oh well, good thing it was free.
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Yeah, I agree. When I received my Masters, I thought that would help when negotiating salaries, but apparently nobody gaf about them when they come from an online school. Oh well, good thing it was free.
FTFY
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You can't work from home without a 4 car garage and 2 basements
The down side to working from home is that my wife already works from home.
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Have you ever tried leaving it off your resume
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You can't work from home without a 4 car garage and 2 basements
The down side to working from home is that my wife already works from home.
That's what the second basement is for
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wacky, put out like 50 jobs apps to real places as quick as you can
University of Phoenix is the latest college under investigation
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/29/pf/college/university-of-phoenix-investigation/index.html
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what type of job/career are you wanting to get wacky? why are you not already snapping necks at Morgan Hunter or Robert Half?
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Wacks, did you like that software sales job? If so, try some of their competitors. I mean, I just heard that something along those lines is hiring ppl to work from home except when out visiting clients. :dunno:
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I've received 3 job offers this week. It's going to be tough to decide which one to take.
That's awesome, you should take the one that will give you the most fullfillment/opportunity, and if that happens to be the one that pays the most then Heeeyyy!
They're all pretty much doing the same thing, so the fulfillment is probably equal.
One job is with my current company, a Fortune 10 company, very stable, great benefits. Close to my home.
Second job is with a new company but selling a product that I'm very familiar with. Would work from home when not out visiting clients.
Third job has the most earning potential but is a very small company (10 employees). Would need to drive into the office every day which is about 25 miles away from the new house.
I have had several opportunities to move from my current job to other places. One came with a substantial raise and the same commute (less than twenty minutes). But one of my staff members said to me in discovering my other opportunities that "sometimes people are already where they belong." When I gave that some thought I realized that I would gain nothing from the move except setting up shop in a new environment. I decided right then to stay where I am. It was a great decision for me. Good luck in your decision.
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Wacks, did you like that software sales job? If so, try some of their competitors. I mean, I just heard that something along those lines is hiring ppl to work from home except when out visiting clients. :dunno:
LOL
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Yeah, I agree. When I received my Masters, I thought that would help when negotiating salaries, but apparently nobody gaf about them when they come from an online school. Oh well, good thing it was free.
FTFY
It was on ground from an accredited school, but yeah.
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Wacks, did you like that software sales job? If so, try some of their competitors. I mean, I just heard that something along those lines is hiring ppl to work from home except when out visiting clients. :dunno:
LOL
Yeah, I enjoyed it. Perceptive went on a hiring freeze tho, once they got bought over.
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wacky, put out like 50 jobs apps to real places as quick as you can
University of Phoenix is the latest college under investigation
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/29/pf/college/university-of-phoenix-investigation/index.html
Meh. That's every for profit right now. As long as you received that degree while it was accredited, that's all that matters.
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i wasnt talking about your degree, i was talking about your industry right now
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what type of job/career are you wanting to get wacky? why are you not already snapping necks at Morgan Hunter or Robert Half?
I'm interested in HR and recruiting future employees. Also, there's companies like DST and Garman that are looking for college recruiters to go to campuses and speak about the opportunities that the company has for entry level positions. I think I would be great at that. I wouldn't mind getting back into inside sales either. I just had a really bad experience at DSI and I think that rocked me a little bit. Honestly, I was going through a lot during that time. Anxiety attacks, losing hair, etc. Over the last two years, the doctors found out I had an underactive thyroid, high blood pressure, and a severe case of depression from a chemical imbalance. The doctors finally figured out what was triggering it and the meds have been working. I feel like myself again. I could probably take on a position like that again at this time, now that I'm feeling better.
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i wasnt talking about your degree, i was talking about your industry right now
Oh, yeah. It's rough ridin' dead. The worst part about it, is places like where I work right now, are still setting their numbers way too high. They think they'll hit their enrollments from 10 years ago and they're dropping anyone who can't come close to hitting them. It's a graveyard here.
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what type of job/career are you wanting to get wacky? why are you not already snapping necks at Morgan Hunter or Robert Half?
I'm interested in HR and recruiting future employees. Also, there's companies like DST and Garman that are looking for college recruiters to go to campuses and speak about the opportunities that the company has for entry level positions. I think I would be great at that. I wouldn't mind getting back into inside sales either. I just had a really bad experience at DSI and I think that rocked me a little bit. Honestly, I was going through a lot during that time. Anxiety attacks, losing hair, etc. Over the last two years, the doctors found out I had an underactive thyroid, high blood pressure, and a severe case of depression from a chemical imbalance. The doctors finally figured out what was triggering it and the meds have been working. I feel like myself again. I could probably take on a position like that again at this time, now that I'm feeling better.
mrs wacky cool with you going back to Manhattan all the time to "recruit" fillies?
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have ms wacky negotiate salary for you
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have ms wacky negotiate salary for you
Yeah, you don't want to get below her threshold for how much you can make for her to marry you.
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lol. She wouldn't mind me traveling. She trusts me. I'm kind of turning into a grumpy old man anyways when it comes to college towns. It would be strictly business. :thumbsup: We'll see tho, those jobs seem hard to get in line for right now. They're well paying too.
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I've received 3 job offers this week. It's going to be tough to decide which one to take.
That's awesome, you should take the one that will give you the most fullfillment/opportunity, and if that happens to be the one that pays the most then Heeeyyy!
They're all pretty much doing the same thing, so the fulfillment is probably equal.
One job is with my current company, a Fortune 10 company, very stable, great benefits. Close to my home.
Second job is with a new company but selling a product that I'm very familiar with. Would work from home when not out visiting clients.
Third job has the most earning potential but is a very small company (10 employees). Would need to drive into the office every day which is about 25 miles away from the new house.
You should stay with your current company but use your other job offers as leverage for a raise and extra vacation time.
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Wacky, if you did as well at the software place as you say, you would have to be a pretty good sales person. Find a reputable company and a good product and earn. I mean, you weren't a software guy, but lead sales there for a while. If you can do that with a product you had no clue about, you could hit homeruns on the reg for a product you do know about. Also, apply at places with good reps even if you don't know the product. Again, if you can sell software without a great IT handle, you could probably sell most other things. I would seriously look into medical sales.
Also, in my limited experience, HR depts have a higher turnover than the other depts in many orgs.
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Wacky, if you did as well at the software place as you say, you would have to be a pretty good sales person. Find a reputable company and a good product and earn. I mean, you weren't a software guy, but lead sales there for a while. If you can do that with a product you had no clue about, you could hit homeruns on the reg for a product you do know about. Also, apply at places with good reps even if you don't know the product. Again, if you can sell software without a great IT handle, you could probably sell most other things. I would seriously look into medical sales.
Also, in my limited experience, HR depts have a higher turnover than the other depts in many orgs.
Good advice. Thanks! :thumbs:
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Have you considered working for a headhunting company?
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Have you considered working for a headhunting company?
Yeah. I'm in talks with a few right now. They place nurses and other Healthcare positions. I have an interview next Tuesday with one.
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I had a similar interview for Kiewit Power a couple years ago
Nebraska!
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I did tie and no pants :)
Overdressing is really never a bad thing, imo. Worst case you are showing that you are making every effort and really interested. I've had people interview with me that were way overdressed and they pretty much always get the job
Agree.
My company (More blue collar than white collar) hired a guy who came to the interview in a 3 piece suit. His nickname for the first 6 months was 3 piece until we realized he was not good at the white collar part of the job, he now works in the blue collar department.
Point being he was well dressed and it helped get him the job.
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what type of job/career are you wanting to get wacky? why are you not already snapping necks at Morgan Hunter or Robert Half?
I'm interested in HR and recruiting future employees. Also, there's companies like DST and Garman that are looking for college recruiters to go to campuses and speak about the opportunities that the company has for entry level positions. I think I would be great at that. I wouldn't mind getting back into inside sales either. I just had a really bad experience at DSI and I think that rocked me a little bit. Honestly, I was going through a lot during that time. Anxiety attacks, losing hair, etc. Over the last two years, the doctors found out I had an underactive thyroid, high blood pressure, and a severe case of depression from a chemical imbalance. The doctors finally figured out what was triggering it and the meds have been working. I feel like myself again. I could probably take on a position like that again at this time, now that I'm feeling better.
mrs wacky cool with you going back to Manhattan all the time to "recruit" fillies?
I forgot to mention that I had an offer from Robert Half 3 years ago, but I chose the DSI position over them and they've been sour grapes ever since. I have a buddy who's a manager there and he said: "They really liked you, but once you chose that other position, you burned your bridges here". :blank:
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what a stupid company then
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what a stupid company then
Agreed. I mean, I get their point to an extent, but still, they were rolling out the red carpet for me. I would think a job placement company would understand the value of taking the better bargain.
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I had a similar interview for Kiewit Power a couple years ago
Nebraska!
Actually the Power division is headquartered in Lenexa...
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I know everyone has probably been on the edge of their seat waiting for my decision... I'm going to stay at my current company and I've accepted the new position.
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Congrats Matt. I am happy for you.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I did tie and no pants :)
Overdressing is really never a bad thing, imo. Worst case you are showing that you are making every effort and really interested. I've had people interview with me that were way overdressed and they pretty much always get the job
Agree.
My company (More blue collar than white collar) hired a guy who came to the interview in a 3 piece suit. His nickname for the first 6 months was 3 piece until we realized he was not good at the white collar part of the job, he now works in the blue collar department.
Point being he was well dressed and it helped get him the job.
Overdressing can bite you in certain cases, at least at certain companies on the bay area. The idea is that if you show up for an interview in a suit when the guy interviewing you is in a t-shirt and hoodie, you don't understand the culture and won't fit in.
It's stupid, but it's there. In KC, you should be fine overdressing just about anywhere.
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I had a similar interview for Kiewit Power a couple years ago
Nebraska!
Actually the Power division is headquartered in Lenexa...
I have a cousin that works there
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I did tie and no pants :)
Overdressing is really never a bad thing, imo. Worst case you are showing that you are making every effort and really interested. I've had people interview with me that were way overdressed and they pretty much always get the job
Agree.
My company (More blue collar than white collar) hired a guy who came to the interview in a 3 piece suit. His nickname for the first 6 months was 3 piece until we realized he was not good at the white collar part of the job, he now works in the blue collar department.
Point being he was well dressed and it helped get him the job.
Overdressing can bite you in certain cases, at least at certain companies on the bay area. The idea is that if you show up for an interview in a suit when the guy interviewing you is in a t-shirt and hoodie, you don't understand the culture and won't fit in.
It's stupid, but it's there. In KC, you should be fine overdressing just about anywhere.
you really didn't need to do this. everybody already knows you live in the bay areaa.
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I did tie and no pants :)
Overdressing is really never a bad thing, imo. Worst case you are showing that you are making every effort and really interested. I've had people interview with me that were way overdressed and they pretty much always get the job
Agree.
My company (More blue collar than white collar) hired a guy who came to the interview in a 3 piece suit. His nickname for the first 6 months was 3 piece until we realized he was not good at the white collar part of the job, he now works in the blue collar department.
Point being he was well dressed and it helped get him the job.
Overdressing can bite you in certain cases, at least at certain companies on the bay area. The idea is that if you show up for an interview in a suit when the guy interviewing you is in a t-shirt and hoodie, you don't understand the culture and won't fit in.
It's stupid, but it's there. In KC, you should be fine overdressing just about anywhere.
you really didn't need to do this. everybody already knows you live in the bay areaa.
OUR GUY WACKY IS INTERVIEWING W/ A BAY AREA COMPANY RICK DARIS
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:thumbs: I wore a suit the first time I interviewed with this company, while everyone else who worked there was wearing jeans and a polo (bright orange. That's their moto!). I didn't have a orange button up at the time either. This time I did.
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Also, congrats Matt!
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What is a moto
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What is a moto
It's like a scooter
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What is a moto
Nothin, what's a moto with you? :D
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:curse:
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:love:
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They have a bright orange scooter?
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I know everyone has probably been on the edge of their seat waiting for my decision... I'm going to stay at my current company and I've accepted the new position.
Congrats!
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You don't want to reacclimate (sp?) a new office to your stinky lunch haxors
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You don't want to reacclimate (sp?) a new office to your stinky lunch haxors
what if it was in another country with different established taste and odor norms?
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Well that is a whole lot of opportunity to offend people :Wha:
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You don't want to reacclimate (sp?) a new office to your stinky lunch haxors
what if it was in another country with different established taste and odor norms?
sounds cool!
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What is a moto
Nothin, what's a moto with you? :D
Oh man this made me laugh a lot, great job everybody
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You don't want to reacclimate (sp?) a new office to your stinky lunch haxors
what if it was in another country with different established taste and odor norms?
good luck finding the tube meat selection you have come to enjoy in any other country
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oh no, what?
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:runaway:
oh no, what?
:runaway: opportunity related, not scoop related :runaway:
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Best of luck, bud! I almost walked out on a interview today. It took them about 25 minutes for someone to acknowledge I was there. I don't know if their receptionist was out or what, but I've been emailing this guy back and forth and he knew I was using PTO time to see him at 11am. He liked me too, but I'm not sure you guys!
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Run
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Best of luck, bud! I almost walked out on a interview today. It took them about 25 minutes for someone to acknowledge I was there. I don't know if their receptionist was out or what, but I've been emailing this guy back and forth and he knew I was using PTO time to see him at 11am. He liked me too, but I'm not sure you guys!
I mean, did you just stand there at the door like a dork or did you at least get someone's attention?
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yeah elaborate, wackster
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Yeah, I stood there and looked in. They were having a team meeting and they saw me, but didn't send anyone to say: "Hey, just wait one second, we'll be right with you!". They just looked at me and continued the meeting and I went and sat in a corner awkwardly. It was kind of weird. It's working in the Healthcare arena, which would be a great opportunity, but this is definitely entry level for their company.
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Yeah, I stood there and looked in. They were having a team meeting and they saw me, but didn't send anyone to say: "Hey, just wait one second, we'll be right with you!". They just looked at me and continued the meeting and I went and sat in a corner awkwardly. It was kind of weird. It's working in the Healthcare arena, which would be a great opportunity, but this is definitely entry level for their company.
it was a test, you were supposed to barge in and take over that meeeting
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Yeah, I thought about it, but I don't think they could have handled my swag.
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Did you try calling the guy on your cell phone while sitting there?
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No. Maybe I should have.
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where are you moving to, puni?
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:runaway:
where are you moving to, puni?
it's Best Central Time Zone +14 hours
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i'm freaking out because they sent me the offer with a deadline of friday, and i am going on trip and will be away from my family until next wednesday!!!!!!!!!!!! i just sent the email of my life asking for a deadline extension.
anyone want to buy 2 season tickets, section 19, cat cushions?
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where are you moving to, puni?
I noticed in the Killer Cop thread puni spelled the word "behaviour", so possibly somewhere within the British Empire?
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oh man, there's a possibility puni's #acks will be totally pud in CST+14
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where are you moving to, puni?
it's Best Central Time Zone +14 hours
:runaway:
i'm freaking out because they sent me the offer with a deadline of friday, and i am going on trip and will be away from my family until next wednesday!!!!!!!!!!!! i just sent the email of my life asking for a deadline extension.
anyone want to buy 2 season tickets, section 19, cat cushions?
Asia! Wow! when is your trip? I say just accept it and :driving:
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Asia! Wow! when is your trip? I say just accept it and :driving:
Thanks! most people in my personal network are saying the same thing. I leave tonight.
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china? hong kong? i've just realized i don't know what you do.
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awesome :thumbs:
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do they even have peas in hong kong? you need time to research.
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Asia! Wow! when is your trip? I say just accept it and :driving:
Thanks! most people in my personal network are saying the same thing. I leave tonight.
I will add that I work w/ a lot of expats in that region and I don't know of any of them with any intention of leaving any time soon. (I'm assuming the offer is in a major city with a fairly sizable expat community.)
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i hope the 'chi mockers feel like bad people now
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My cousin lives in Beijing if you want to pak with him
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i cant say much more than that
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i cant say much more than that
:eek:
I may have miscalculated due to DST
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:love:
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I will add that I work w/ a lot of expats in that region and I don't know of any of them with any intention of leaving any time soon. (I'm assuming the offer is in a major city with a fairly sizable expat community.)
3-5 yr gig with the added emotional safety net that i can come back to my old job when its over (unless i get fired for BBSn about it)
CANT SAY MUCH MORE THAN THAT
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I would have to try it and see if I could eat sushi every meal for 3-5yrs.
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Puni is going to give us his lunch updates at 2 in the morning now. :frown:
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Grats puni, I would love an opportunity to be a spy
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Asia! Wow! when is your trip? I say just accept it and :driving:
Thanks! most people in my personal network are saying the same thing. I leave tonight.
Is this a bitch way of saying friends and family?
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food is supposed to be super expensive over there. this is going to kill your efficiency rating.
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Asia! Wow! when is your trip? I say just accept it and :driving:
Thanks! most people in my personal network are saying the same thing. I leave tonight.
Is this a bitch way of saying friends and family?
i thought it was an ubercool way :frown:
it was my way of differentiating between my friends and family whom i normally talk to with my mouth and my gE #framily whom i normally talk to with my fingers and brain.
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Congratulations puni. This probably delays our first Pak, but it sounds like a great opportunity. Good luck.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I have a phone interview with a college (D1 in basketball!!!) on Thursday. It's way better pay, more travel, and I would work in Phoenix from time-to-time. I had a friend who worked for them awhile back and she can't stop raving about them. They reached out to me today through indeed. I'd cover the Midwest territory for them. :Wha:
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Didn't you just buy a house? You could rent it to the goEMAW community
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Didn't you just buy a house? You could rent it to the goEMAW community
does anyone want to rent a house?
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LOL
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I have a phone interview with a college (D1 in basketball!!!) on Thursday. It's way better pay, more travel, and I would work in Phoenix from time-to-time. I had a friend who worked for them awhile back and she can't stop raving about them. They reached out to me today through indeed. I'd cover the Midwest territory for them. :Wha:
I'm talking to a company in Phoenix. I'll likely head there or back to Manhattan in a month or so. Remote mountain living has gotten to me.
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that school needs you, wacky
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I have a phone interview with a college (D1 in basketball!!!) on Thursday. It's way better pay, more travel, and I would work in Phoenix from time-to-time. I had a friend who worked for them awhile back and she can't stop raving about them. They reached out to me today through indeed. I'd cover the Midwest territory for them. :Wha:
I'm talking to a company in Phoenix. I'll likely head there or back to Manhattan in a month or so. Remote mountain living has gotten to me.
Very cool! Best of luck! Also, congrats Puni! This college has a former 3 point sharp shooter from the suns as their coach.
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I have a phone interview with a college (D1 in basketball!!!) on Thursday. It's way better pay, more travel, and I would work in Phoenix from time-to-time. I had a friend who worked for them awhile back and she can't stop raving about them. They reached out to me today through indeed. I'd cover the Midwest territory for them. :Wha:
I'm talking to a company in Phoenix. I'll likely head there or back to Manhattan in a month or so. Remote mountain living has gotten to me.
Very cool! Best of luck! Also, congrats Puni! This college has a former 3 point sharp shooter from the suns as their coach.
Don't invite Trim to any games
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Don't go to another for-profit school, wacky cat
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@chi :lol: I know. Also, it's not for profit, it is private tho.
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@chi :lol: I know. Also, it's not for profit, it is private tho.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Canyon_University#History
it's for profit (unless something changed in the last few weeks)
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It is one of the biggest for profits - there has been a lot written about a for profit going D1 and their business practices. No idea how that influences working for them but it absolutely is for profit.
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Crap. I guess I didn't see them in the same eyes as the previous schools I've worked for, but yeah, damn.
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I will say, their reviews are really good!
http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Grand-Canyon-University/reviews?from=SERP&jt=Account+Executive+-+Online+Division+-+College+of+Education
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I've often wondered if it was even possible for the gross food thread to get any more disgusting.
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I've often wondered if it was even possible for the gross food thread to get any more disgusting.
hoo boy
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Didn't you just buy a house? You could rent it to the goEMAW community
does anyone want to rent a house?
:dubious:
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congrats puni :thumbs:
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I've often wondered if it was even possible for the gross food thread to get any more disgusting.
i don't know if it's possible for it to get any more disgusting, but guessing the ingredients will be more challenging.
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I didn't know Puni had a family. Is he feeding them that filth too? :runaway:
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will probably be healthier with less hot dogs I would assume
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Congrats, puni. You'll be missed around here.
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Fanning and the for-profit college thing just gets me lol every time. Come on, wacky cat.
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Fanning and the for-profit college thing just gets me lol every time. Come on, wacky cat.
fortunately he left good enough clues to where people could find out what college it was, and then let him know it was a for-profit college.
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Wacky, you really should know something like that prior to the interview or even prior to get excited about an opportunity and posting your excitement on gE. In reality, I am kind of glad you didn't, because that is part of what makes you Wacky. :cheers: ;)
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you'll always have an "in" with the business
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To be fair, I always knew they were private and just assumed with them playing D1 sports now, that they couldn't be "for-profit". My friend who works for them had a sister play ball there and now coaches there. Sad news.
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My sister-in-law takes online classes through that place, fanning, and she is a complete r-word.
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She can't be close to the students I work for now, but I get it. I appreciate the heads up, fellas. I think the base they hinted at towards me, plus working from home, and the travel made me excited. I'm easily bored with my job these days.
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what happened w/ the company you did the video interview with?
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Good lord.
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what happened w/ the company you did the video interview with?
Nothing. I thought I did well, but it's been absolute crickets. I reached out to them as well and I'm getting the heisman. Kind of weird. Who knows. This is the 3rd go around with them. Weird to show that much interest, but back off like that.
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what happened w/ the company you did the video interview with?
Nothing. I thought I did well, but it's been absolute crickets. I reached out to them as well and I'm getting the heisman. Kind of weird. Who knows. This is the 3rd go around with them. Weird to show that much interest, but back off like that.
"third go round" as in you've had three interviews? Did they give you a timeline after you completed the interview? Did you ask for one?
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The first go around was a phone interview, but I took my current position because they offered what I was asking for at the time. Second go around was two months ago for a sales position, but they went a different direction. 3rd time around was for a corporate recruiter position and this is when they asked me to do the simulated computer interview. It's been very bizarre.
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So first go 'round for this position. It is not altogether uncommon to go weeks without hearing back on an interview. Some places may be interviewing their initial group of candidates over a period of a month if they have a lot to schedule
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Did you ask the computer when it was going to follow up with you on the opportunity.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Did you ask the computer when it was going to follow up with you on the opportunity.
Gonna win 'em all!
:lol:
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I know a guy who lived in Bejing for a few years and from his updates it seemed to suck - tons of pollution and people. Hopefully puni is going to Japan though so that is probably better.
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they made a godzilla movie where it attacked bejing?
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I'm not 100% on it. They are being unreasonable with the timeline and it's freaking me out.
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It's a trap!
Gonna win 'em all!
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Actually, I'd stay somewhat firm if you are just asking for a few extra days. Are they really thinking that going with a different candidate will be as fast as giving you a few more days?
Gonna win 'em all!
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they made a godzilla movie where it attacked bejing?
Huh? There was talk of China earlier, and then his pic of Godzilla indicated that he is going to Japan so I am saying that IF it had been China that might suck but since it seems to be Japan that will not suck (maybe).
Also, puni - Do you want to work for a company that can't even give you a few days to decide if you want to move to another country?
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the wacky cat jobs saga continues...
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Fanning, how many jobs have you had in the last 5 years?
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4
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Speaking of food and the far east (and awful time zones), I just had a nice chat with a noodle company in California. R&D too, which is fun.
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Also, puni - Do you want to work for a company that can't even give you a few days to decide if you want to move to another country?
It's the start date as much as the acceptance date. 45 days seems impossibly fast for something like this to me.
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Seems realistic
Gonna win 'em all!
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Seems realistic
Gonna win 'em all!
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I should have as many days as action items on my potential to do list.
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Business days
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Stop bitching out
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Get them to pay for some travel back. Like tell them you can't get all your affairs wrapped up in 45 days but you could go there and then come back for a week in about a month or 2..... But they need to pay for the travel.
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I have a phone interview with a college (D1 in basketball!!!) on Thursday. It's way better pay, more travel, and I would work in Phoenix from time-to-time. I had a friend who worked for them awhile back and she can't stop raving about them. They reached out to me today through indeed. I'd cover the Midwest territory for them. :Wha:
I'm talking to a company in Phoenix. I'll likely head there or back to Manhattan in a month or so. Remote mountain living has gotten to me.
I'll make you a deal, you find out some tricky way to comp my family and I a day or two at your current place of work before you leave and you can live in my basement for one month for free until you get things figured out if it ends up being mhk.
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I have a phone interview with a college (D1 in basketball!!!) on Thursday. It's way better pay, more travel, and I would work in Phoenix from time-to-time. I had a friend who worked for them awhile back and she can't stop raving about them. They reached out to me today through indeed. I'd cover the Midwest territory for them. :Wha:
I'm talking to a company in Phoenix. I'll likely head there or back to Manhattan in a month or so. Remote mountain living has gotten to me.
I'll make you a deal, you find out some tricky way to comp my family and I a day or two at your current place of work before you leave and you can live in my basement for one month for free until you get things figured out if it ends up being mhk.
oh man if this deal includes rick cooking you meals too you won't find a better deal anywhere
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I got the extension I wanted and they said they would work with me on the start date. I think I'm not going to birch out
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did they agree to the pea import condition?
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I got the extension I wanted and they said they would work with me on the start date. I think I'm not going to birch out
Atta boy
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this is v exciting puni :thumbs:
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did they agree to the pea import condition?
he's going to have to fashion his own peas out of whatever they use for vegetables there.
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puni are you going to use your extensive knowledge of sausages to create your own custom peas like sys said?
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also I am glad you got that extension :thumbs:
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he'll probably end up quitting his job and making a fortune over there selling his rolled seaweed mini veggie balls as an add-in for rice.
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he'll probably end up quitting his job and making a fortune over there selling his rolled seaweed mini veggie balls as an add-in for rice.
:kstategrad:
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I was promoted this past week. With the promotion comes a 50% raise and a pallet jack! :excited:
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Congrats, Sundance Man! I quit my job last week. To be fair, I gave like 9 months notice.
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Hahahah thanks. :)
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Congrats, Sundance Man! I quit my job last week. To be fair, I gave like 9 months notice.
Was it pregnancy related?
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I was promoted this past week. With the promotion comes a 50% raise and a pallet jack! :excited:
What model pallet jack you running now? ;)
Congrats. They are obviously seeing the benefits of SDK gaining control of his life. Good job, friend.
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Congrats, Sundance Man! I quit my job last week. To be fair, I gave like 9 months notice.
Was it pregnancy related?
He is birthing his education
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Congrats SDK!! :emawkid:
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I was promoted this past week. With the promotion comes a 50% raise and a pallet jack! :excited:
What model pallet jack you running now? ;)
Congrats. They are obviously seeing the benefits of SDK gaining control of his life. Good job, friend.
If you don't know SDK in real life you have no idea how amazing he is. Really one of the best.
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I was promoted this past week. With the promotion comes a 50% raise and a pallet jack! :excited:
What model pallet jack you running now? ;)
Congrats. They are obviously seeing the benefits of SDK gaining control of his life. Good job, friend.
I'm all about that Yale life while hauling around mail for the RNC. :gocho:
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Thanks guys. Haha
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Are you 18-30 years old and currently looking for employment? If you don't smell and are a decent human being, come apply at Aggie Station for the kitchen and put ERiI under "Referred by" and you'll probably get hired.
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FYI waitresses love kitchen guys :th_twocents:
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FYI waitresses love kitchen guys :th_twocents:
:thumbs:
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FYI waitresses love kitchen guys :th_twocents:
True story.
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Are you 18-30 years old and currently looking for employment? If you don't smell and are a decent human being, come apply at Aggie Station for the kitchen and put ERiI under "Referred by" and you'll probably get hired.
Some 31-year-old aspiring cook is gonna sue the crap out of you guys hahahaha.
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i did it :runaway:
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Kick ass
Gonna win 'em all!
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Congrats!
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So say you've exchanged resumes and pleasantries with a prospective boss, who adds before the interview process gets going " the job pays $XX,000."
They're trying to establish no negotiations for the salary. This is in the private sector. Is it a done deal? What should the response be?
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So say you've exchanged resumes and pleasantries with a prospective boss, who adds before the interview process gets going " the job pays $XX,000."
They're trying to establish no negotiations for the salary. This is in the private sector. Is it a done deal? What should the response be?
everything in the private sector is negotiable, but that's a bad sign. You could say something like, "that seems low, but we can talk"*. If you really like the situation, you could maybe ask for more vacation or something.
*as long as you don't run into a situation like wacky did where you're taking entire vacation days for the interview
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So say you've exchanged resumes and pleasantries with a prospective boss, who adds before the interview process gets going " the job pays $XX,000."
They're trying to establish no negotiations for the salary. This is in the private sector. Is it a done deal? What should the response be?
Just because they said that certainly doesn't make the salary non-negotiable.
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I've got my 4th interview with this company on Thursday. They want me to sit with the team again and then finish my interview with the HR Director. I think I'm getting close. Leaving for vacation delayed the process tho.
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Thanks, all. I'm going to try to ignore it for now and come up with a good answer the next time they bring it up. This just seems like a point in the process where people unintentionally box themselves in. If I'm a good enough candidate, they should want to have wiggle room for salary.
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I've got my 4th interview with this company on Thursday. They want me to sit with the team again and then finish my interview with the HR Director. I think I'm getting close. Leaving for vacation delayed the process tho.
what's the name of this school?
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Pffttt.
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Thanks, all. I'm going to try to ignore it for now and come up with a good answer the next time they bring it up. This just seems like a point in the process where people unintentionally box themselves in. If I'm a good enough candidate, they should want to have wiggle room for salary.
I would prefer to have a candidate that expressed their concern when they had it rather than ignored it.
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Thanks, all. I'm going to try to ignore it for now and come up with a good answer the next time they bring it up. This just seems like a point in the process where people unintentionally box themselves in. If I'm a good enough candidate, they should want to have wiggle room for salary.
I would prefer to have a candidate that expressed their concern when they had it rather than ignored it.
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Knowing nothing about this company, if it's a small company there is a very real possibility that they can't afford someone more expensive and would disqualify a candidate who presents his requirements as greater than they can offer for the position.
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If it's a big company, they're either trying to set the market rate (which you can/should exceed if they like you), or they view it as a pretty pud position (and can fill it at will with sufficiently qualified candidates).
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the size of the company has nothing to do with whether or not they'll negotiate a new hire salary.
how hard is the position to fill? how much do they want or need the prospective candidate?
these two things will dictate how willing they are to play ball, go cats.
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It's a company of about 150. Apparently they've had lots of applicants. Bonus, I am longtime family friends with a high ranking individual in a different department.
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It's a company of about 150. Apparently they've had lots of applicants. Bonus, I am longtime family friends with a high ranking individual in a different department.
yeah I'm sure people are lining up to make $XX,000 a year according to your family friend
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guys im kinda hoping his hologram shows up next wednesday
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It's a company of about 150. Apparently they've had lots of applicants. Bonus, I am longtime family friends with a high ranking individual in a different department.
yeah I'm sure people are lining up to make $XX,000 a year according to your family friend
Guess I gave the wrong impression. They'd had a number of applicants. They weren't impressed. Michigancat must do very well in the money department.
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It's a company of about 150. Apparently they've had lots of applicants. Bonus, I am longtime family friends with a high ranking individual in a different department.
yeah I'm sure people are lining up to make $XX,000 a year according to your family friend
Guess I gave the wrong impression. They'd had a number of applicants. They weren't impressed. Michigancat must do very well in the money department.
Ah, that's good for you then.
These guys seem like terrible negotiators.
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What do you guys do when recruiters from competing companies reach out to you on LinkedIn? Pretty confident these companies aren't as good as my current one, but there is potential I could be in a higher position sooner there. Long term possibilities are probably less with these companies, especially in KC. Listen to what they have to say? Use it for salary negotiation?
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send them a double middle finger emoticon
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Hit the Ignore button.
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What do you guys do when recruiters from competing companies reach out to you on LinkedIn? Pretty confident these companies aren't as good as my current one, but there is potential I could be in a higher position sooner there. Long term possibilities are probably less with these companies, especially in KC. Listen to what they have to say? Use it for salary negotiation?
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What do you guys do when recruiters from competing companies reach out to you on LinkedIn? Pretty confident these companies aren't as good as my current one, but there is potential I could be in a higher position sooner there. Long term possibilities are probably less with these companies, especially in KC. Listen to what they have to say? Use it for salary negotiation?
If they don't have a job you would apply for if you hadn't been contacted, politely say thanks but no thanks. Not sure how you'd use this contact effectively for salary negotiation. It seems like it would be difficult to negotiate salary at all for your current company and your current position at most companies.
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What do you guys do when recruiters from competing companies reach out to you on LinkedIn? Pretty confident these companies aren't as good as my current one, but there is potential I could be in a higher position sooner there. Long term possibilities are probably less with these companies, especially in KC. Listen to what they have to say? Use it for salary negotiation?
had one yesterday. I politely responded that I am not looking for placement in KC at this time. If you're in the market, or could be persuaded, have a go at it.
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congrats puni!
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my job is sooooo boooooooorrrrring. it is pretty much groundhog day, the movie. like everyday is just the same.
95% of the time i'm cool with this, but sometimes i just think "man i don't know if i can do this for another 20-30 years." nothing interesting or exciting ever happens. like never ever.
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my job is sooooo boooooooorrrrring. it is pretty much groundhog day, the movie. like everyday is just the same.
95% of the time i'm cool with this, but sometimes i just think "man i don't know if i can do this for another 20-30 years." nothing interesting or exciting ever happens. like never ever.
Many people's jobs are this way Rick. Like mine for example. I'm posting at work right now and sometimes for entertainment I debate myself on the color scheme of my cubicle walls. Is it light gray, or is it medium gray? I pretty much go with light gray all the time but sometimes in the right lighting conditions a case could be made for medium.
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My cube has bluish grey corduroy walls.
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I would shoot myself if I worked in a cubicle
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i'm in a customer service type job where people come to me with problems but it's always the same exact problem. like they have a bad #4 hex widget and it's the seventh bad #4 hex widget i've seen that day but they think their hex widget problem is interesting or something and i'm like oh for crying out loud do i have to listen to this for the 43rd time this week? the hours and pay are ok though and i really shouldn't complain, but sometimes i wish i was given a #8 hex widget or maybe a completely different kind of widget all together. like a jones widget or a funker widget. i'm guessing monotony is a pretty common job complaint though.
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i'm in a customer service type job where people come to me with problems but it's always the same exact problem. like they have a bad #4 hex widget and it's the seventh bad #4 hex widget i've seen that day but they think their hex widget problem is interesting or something and i'm like oh for crying out loud do i have to listen to this for the 43rd time this week? the hours and pay are ok though and i really shouldn't complain, but sometimes i wish i was given a #8 hex widget or maybe a completely different kind of widget all together. like a jones widget or a funker widget. i'm guessing monotony is a pretty common job complaint though.
I'll swap you jobs one day a week but I get to stay in your basement the evening before
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Rick, you need a creative outlet away from work.
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Rick, you need a creative outlet away from work.
i'm starting to garden. cucumbers are going crazy and i have two watermelons and one pumpkin that i'm crossing fingers on.
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What do you guys think "#4 hex widget" means in non-cop-speak
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i'm in a customer service type job where people come to me with problems but it's always the same exact problem. like they have a bad #4 hex widget and it's the seventh bad #4 hex widget i've seen that day but they think their hex widget problem is interesting or something and i'm like oh for crying out loud do i have to listen to this for the 43rd time this week? the hours and pay are ok though and i really shouldn't complain, but sometimes i wish i was given a #8 hex widget or maybe a completely different kind of widget all together. like a jones widget or a funker widget. i'm guessing monotony is a pretty common job complaint though.
I'll swap you jobs one day a week but I get to stay in your basement the evening before
i would be more lost in your job than you would be in mine
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Dat private bathroom tho :love:
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What do you guys think "#4 hex widget" means in non-cop-speak
Shooting an unarmed citizen.
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im sorry rick that sucks. if you could do it all over again, and right before you headed off to the academy you were like, 'man i really dont think i want to do this for 20 or 30 years', what would you have done instead.
my job is pretty interesting and different sometimes if that makes you feel any better.
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Rick, you need a creative outlet away from work.
i'm starting to garden. cucumbers are going crazy and i have two watermelons and one pumpkin that i'm crossing fingers on.
We could start a band. :dunno:
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Rick, you need a creative outlet away from work.
i'm starting to garden. cucumbers are going crazy and i have two watermelons and one pumpkin that i'm crossing fingers on.
We could start a band. :dunno:
i'm just a lyricist. so if you're up for like a hip hop band or something, i would consider. if you are expecting me to sing or play an instrument, then sadly this would not be possible.
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if you could do it all over again,what would you have done instead.
less peopley/more computery. maybe i just need a vacation or something.
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i'm in a customer service type job where people come to me with problems but it's always the same exact problem. like they have a bad #4 hex widget and it's the seventh bad #4 hex widget i've seen that day but they think their hex widget problem is interesting or something and i'm like oh for crying out loud do i have to listen to this for the 43rd time this week? the hours and pay are ok though and i really shouldn't complain, but sometimes i wish i was given a #8 hex widget or maybe a completely different kind of widget all together. like a jones widget or a funker widget. i'm guessing monotony is a pretty common job complaint though.
I'll swap you jobs one day a week but I get to stay in your basement the evening before
i would be more lost in your job than you would be in mine
nah, figure the weight x $$$ = price. It's easy. ;)
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rick daris, if you hadn't had children, you'd have enough money by now to retire do novel stuff everyday.
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i'm in a customer service type job where people come to me with problems but it's always the same exact problem. like they have a bad #4 hex widget and it's the seventh bad #4 hex widget i've seen that day but they think their hex widget problem is interesting or something and i'm like oh for crying out loud do i have to listen to this for the 43rd time this week? the hours and pay are ok though and i really shouldn't complain, but sometimes i wish i was given a #8 hex widget or maybe a completely different kind of widget all together. like a jones widget or a funker widget. i'm guessing monotony is a pretty common job complaint though.
I'll swap you jobs one day a week but I get to stay in your basement the evening before
i would be more lost in your job than you would be in mine
nah, figure the weight x $$$ = price. It's easy. ;)
Also highlighting. Lots and lots of highlighting.
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rick daris, if you hadn't had children, you'd have enough money by now to retire do novel stuff everyday.
Actually probably not true and I would be even more bored. Like zzzzzzzzzz.
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Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
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man one time Daris got me out of a hex widget squeeze on this very board. i'd been using the wrong widget for about 2 months and it was seriously driving me insane. Ofc. Daris to the rescue.
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Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
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rick daris, if you hadn't had children, you'd have enough money by now to retire do novel stuff everyday.
Actually probably not true and I would be even more bored. Like zzzzzzzzzz.
i am positive you'd have the money. roid was right about you needing to hobby up. bored without work, now i've heard everything.
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I just got done with my 4th interview with this company this morning. Knowing that my current company walks people out when they put in their two weeks, they asked if they offered, if I could start on Tuesday. I told them: "I believe so". They told me to expect a call tonight or tomorrow. :crossfingers:
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I've seen many people burned by that hope they get asked to leave after turning in their notice.
Good luck, Wacky!
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have you ever considered starting your own for profit university?
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yeah, be careful wacky.
you could always just not put in two weeks and say screw the reference, but sometime companies have it so they wont pay out vacation/sick time if you dont give two weeks. check on that.
good luck!
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I've seen many people burned by that hope they get asked to leave after turning in their notice.
Good luck, Wacky!
Since I've been here, I've seen 7 people walked out after putting in their two weeks. If they ask where, just say a competitor (even though it's not).
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rick daris, if you hadn't had children, you'd have enough money by now to retire do novel stuff everyday.
Actually probably not true and I would be even more bored. Like zzzzzzzzzz.
i am positive you'd have the money. roid was right about you needing to hobby up. bored without work, now i've heard everything.
i really don't think i would. i didn't start making actual money until 2003 and i have a bunch of student loans. i'm up for the hobby thing but i think it would have to be one that i could do at work as well and i can't really think of anything. goEMAW is my only work hobby. i'm open for suggestions.
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Have you considered delving further into your ears and "sound" interests?
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I just got done with my 4th interview with this company this morning. Knowing that my current company walks people out when they put in their two weeks, they asked if they offered, if I could start on Tuesday. I told them: "I believe so". They told me to expect a call tonight or tomorrow. :crossfingers:
GJ, Wacky! Are you going to spill your guts on every detail when this is all over? I sure hope so!!
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Good luck Wacky! :crossfingers:
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rick daris, if you hadn't had children, you'd have enough money by now to retire do novel stuff everyday.
Actually probably not true and I would be even more bored. Like zzzzzzzzzz.
i am positive you'd have the money. roid was right about you needing to hobby up. bored without work, now i've heard everything.
i really don't think i would. i didn't start making actual money until 2003 and i have a bunch of student loans. i'm up for the hobby thing but i think it would have to be one that i could do at work as well and i can't really think of anything. goEMAW is my only work hobby. i'm open for suggestions.
were you ever bored in past summers or is it just this weak ass combo fanning season that has you in a funk?
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I just got done with my 4th interview with this company this morning. Knowing that my current company walks people out when they put in their two weeks, they asked if they offered, if I could start on Tuesday. I told them: "I believe so". They told me to expect a call tonight or tomorrow. :crossfingers:
GJ, Wacky! Are you going to spill your guts on every detail when this is all over? I sure hope so!!
Hopefully. However, not too much. A fellow K-State'r got me in the doors on this one. It would be higher pay, some travel, out of this gross industry, and something I feel like I could thrive in. :crossfingers:
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i really don't think i would. i didn't start making actual money until 2003 and i have a bunch of student loans. i'm up for the hobby thing but i think it would have to be one that i could do at work as well and i can't really think of anything. goEMAW is my only work hobby. i'm open for suggestions.
12 years is more than enough time to generate your retirement fund. how bad was your debt situ?
since you hate animals, why don't you make travel your hobby? you already enjoy posting about trips you don't take, just transition to taking those trips.
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Go to that korean man spa you always wanted to
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Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.
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Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.
tip: don't tell prospective employer you don't plan to be around in a year.
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Have you considered delving further into your ears and "sound" interests?
I already tried to get him to join a band with me.
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Have you considered delving further into your ears and "sound" interests?
I already tried to get him to join a band with me.
Perhaps he could go around to your shows and give people tinnitus advice and tell them how far away from the stage they need to stand.
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Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.
tip: don't tell prospective employer you don't plan to be around in a year.
Oh I wouldn't. I'd just rather go into a job I already know how to do well and start contributing right away. Rather than go through growing pains. I dunno. Just doesn't feel right to me.
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You can move anywhere around the country with the union (I think, I've never been part of one)
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You can move anywhere around the country with the union (I think, I've never been part of one)
pretty much. your benefit plans may change, but they will recognize your status.
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Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.
tip: don't tell prospective employer you don't plan to be around in a year.
Oh I wouldn't. I'd just rather go into a job I already know how to do well and start contributing right away. Rather than go through growing pains. I dunno. Just doesn't feel right to me.
you would test-in and be eligible for work immediately, then receive training throughout your apprenticeship period.
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i really don't think i would. i didn't start making actual money until 2003 and i have a bunch of student loans. i'm up for the hobby thing but i think it would have to be one that i could do at work as well and i can't really think of anything. goEMAW is my only work hobby. i'm open for suggestions.
12 years is more than enough time to generate your retirement fund. how bad was your debt situ?
since you hate animals, why don't you make travel your hobby? you already enjoy posting about trips you don't take, just transition to taking those trips.
more student debt than you would think. the police academy isn't cheap.
as a whole, i think i just need to come up with a way to make my work interesting. like maybe give myself some goals or something or come up with a hobby i can get into while i'm at work. i'm currently going on my third month of not even knowing who my boss is. like nobody knows. not me, not anyone. so i just kind of show up when i think i need to and do my stuff and then just go home when i can. i've also been doing this job for a while and nothing ever changes. nothing.
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Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.
tip: don't tell prospective employer you don't plan to be around in a year.
Oh I wouldn't. I'd just rather go into a job I already know how to do well and start contributing right away. Rather than go through growing pains. I dunno. Just doesn't feel right to me.
my opinion is to make a big decision to do something real and then don't be afraid to quit if it was the wrong decision. you can't spend the rest of your life in "i'm still thinking about what i want to do mode and don't want to really do anything cause i'm not sure where i'll be or if it's the right choice or whatever." well i mean you could but i still think my suggestion is the better one long term.
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as a whole, i think i just need to come up with a way to make my work interesting. like maybe give myself some goals or something or come up with a hobby i can get into while i'm at work. i'm currently going on my third month of not even knowing who my boss is. like nobody knows. not me, not anyone. so i just kind of show up when i think i need to and do my stuff and then just go home when i can. i've also been doing this job for a while and nothing ever changes. nothing.
maybe you could get really into office politics and make that your hobby. like, for now, concentrate on making everyone think that you're your boss and also the boss of most of them. do that for a month or two and see how you like it.
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rick you need another thread bro or are you good?
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rick you need another thread bro or are you good?
i'm good. thanks, friend.
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All but got the offer after my interview today. The salary is a little below what I finished my last Ft job at. New career path, good company. Decision time.
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Anyone know of any emaw siding contractors in Topeka? I'm a little bit over this whole overnight job. For many reasons, least of it being the schedule, I'd rather work elsewhere.
have you considered joining the carpenters union? They need good help.
I have not considered that. I am also not sure that I will in the area in a year. So I'd rather not have someone invest too much time to train me. But I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.
tip: don't tell prospective employer you don't plan to be around in a year.
Oh I wouldn't. I'd just rather go into a job I already know how to do well and start contributing right away. Rather than go through growing pains. I dunno. Just doesn't feel right to me.
my opinion is to make a big decision to do something real and then don't be afraid to quit if it was the wrong decision. you can't spend the rest of your life in "i'm still thinking about what i want to do mode and don't want to really do anything cause i'm not sure where i'll be or if it's the right choice or whatever." well i mean you could but i still think my suggestion is the better one long term.
I'm joining the Navy once I am off probation for reasons similar to this. I just need a job I enjoy til then.
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All but got the offer after my interview today. The salary is a little below what I finished my last Ft job at. New career path, good company. Decision time.
How long has it been since you had a full time job? I would say ask for more money unless you've painted yourself into a corner somehow or are desperate for work.
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All but got the offer after my interview today. The salary is a little below what I finished my last Ft job at. New career path, good company. Decision time.
today's money isn't as important as the opportunity to make more tomorrow. if the new company appears to offer long term advancement opportunity with $$, it would be hard to turn down, assuming the current offer isn't significantly lower than your expectation.
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Three years. I don't need the job that badly. I've been freelancing since the last one. I think I'm just wanting to mix things up a little.
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All but got the offer after my interview today. The salary is a little below what I finished my last Ft job at. New career path, good company. Decision time.
today's money isn't as important as the opportunity to make more tomorrow. if the new company appears to offer long term advancement opportunity with $$, it would be hard to turn down, assuming the current offer isn't significantly lower than your expectation.
That's a good point. There is the promise for promotion not terribly long from now, and they've grown rapidly.
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A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush! (:fatty:)
Their promises don't mean crap.
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that being said, if you really want to stop freelancing why not
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but I'm just saying is you may be passing up a big opportunity
http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/03/news/economy/jobs-wages-salary-quitting/
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A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush! (:fatty:)
Their promises don't mean crap.
Yep. I've learned that the hard way.
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eff off, for-profit schools :excited:
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eff off, for-profit schools :excited:
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! Two week notice tomorrow, right in their rough ridin' balls!!!! Have a good weekend, dumbasses! :lol: :emawkid:
Also, shout out to my boy @Michigancat for helping me with my resume! Go qatz!
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Yeehaw wacky!!!
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congrats, bud.
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WACKY!!!!! :excited:
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Thanks, guys!
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Congrats wacky. Good luck with the two week notice.
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:thumbs:
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congrats wacks- new jobs are great
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Can't wait to hear about how much you hate something about this job! :thumbsup:
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Congrats Wacky. I'm happy for my irl buddy!
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i'd pay to see the look on the HR lady's face after she searched your social media/online presence
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Great job Wacky! Can't wait to hear about it
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i'd pay to see the look on the HR lady's face after she searched your social media/online presence
:lol:
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Thanks IRL friends! Now off to this rehearsal dinner across the street for free drinks. :Woot:
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i'd pay to see the look on the HR lady's face after she searched your social media/online presence
her own file is now labeled "#blessed"
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:lol:
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Rick Daris, as you may know, one of my hobbies is making silly ksu related pics/videos. I take this hobby to work all the time. Like today I was super duper bored in the morning so I did this and the time just flew by.
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Squertz Palledorous
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Say what you want about wacky, but the dating thread, rings thread, and the jobs thread make him a great contributor to American society
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:cheers:
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Rick Daris, as you may know, one of my hobbies is making silly ksu related pics/videos. I take this hobby to work all the time. Like today I was super duper bored in the morning so I did this and the time just flew by.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/646/21126487815_a97bd0d8a5_z.jpg)
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if you only posted once a week you would still be one of the top 7 posters on this web blog.
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when I had a boring job w/ lots of free time my MSPaint game was on point
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:lol: ok rusty
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'Grats, wacky. Knew you could pull it off.
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Rick Daris, as you may know, one of my hobbies is making silly ksu related pics/videos. I take this hobby to work all the time. Like today I was super duper bored in the morning so I did this and the time just flew by.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/646/21126487815_a97bd0d8a5_z.jpg)
Squertz Palledorous
if you only posted once a week you would still be one of the top 7 posters on this web blog.
But don't get too greedy _33, Daris has already started a thread about how I'm the best poster here so I'd say the #1 spot will be locked up for quite a while.
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ok rusty
Apparently you missed my "everyone loves Kevin Durant" masterpiece
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Rick Daris, as you may know, one of my hobbies is making silly ksu related pics/videos. I take this hobby to work all the time. Like today I was super duper bored in the morning so I did this and the time just flew by.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/646/21126487815_a97bd0d8a5_z.jpg)
Squertz Palledorous
if you only posted once a week you would still be one of the top 7 posters on this web blog.
But don't get too greedy _33, Daris has already started a thread about how I'm the best poster here so I'd say the #1 spot will be locked up for quite a while.
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Can't wait for the first wacky post itt today.
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You get walked out of the building when you give 2 weeks notice guys are so lucky
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I'm out! Going golfing! Drops mic!
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I'm out! Going golfing! Drops mic!
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I'm out! Going golfing! Drops mic!
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got their asses
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lol
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I bet wacky was smug AF when he told them what's what
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don't listen to the haterz Wacky! We did it!
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I'm out! Going golfing! Drops mic!
Did you hug your boss before you left?
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I bet wacky was smug AF when he told them what's what
i know you're naturally a piece of crap, but I'm pretty nice IRL. I thanked them for their time, told my manager how much I appreciated him, etc. my bday was Wednesday, but they were gonna present me with my cake today. :frown:
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I'm out! Going golfing! Drops mic!
Did you hug your boss before you left?
yes.
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I bet wacky was smug AF when he told them what's what
i know you're naturally a piece of crap, but I'm pretty nice IRL. I thanked them for their time, told my manager how much I appreciated him, etc. my bday was Wednesday, but they were gonna present me with my cake today. :frown:
well that's awkward. Did they go ahead and give you the cake?
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I bet wacky was smug AF when he told them what's what
i know you're naturally a piece of crap, but I'm pretty nice IRL. I thanked them for their time, told my manager how much I appreciated him, etc. my bday was Wednesday, but they were gonna present me with my cake today. :frown:
damn son, go golfing already
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I bet wacky was smug AF when he told them what's what
i know you're naturally a piece of crap, but I'm pretty nice IRL. I thanked them for their time, told my manager how much I appreciated him, etc. my bday was Wednesday, but they were gonna present me with my cake today. :frown:
well that's awkward. Did they go ahead and give you the cake?
nah. I told him I'd take him out for drinks soon. I felt bad.
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Another thing I do at work to pass the time is "space out". Most times I try to at least have my hand on my mouse when I space out so it's hard to tell. But sometimes I'm just staring at the floor or a wall or something. Try to avoid spacing out towards a person though. I've been told it comes across as creepy.
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i try to find out of the way places where i can sleep for a bit.
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thanks for your service, rusty
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Wacky, I know you are golfing and it might be a bit late to ask you this question, but do you have a signed offer?
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Wacky, I know you are golfing and it might be a bit late to ask you this question, but do you have a signed offer?
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Yes.
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Excellent. :thumbs:
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I bet wacky was smug AF when he told them what's what
i know you're naturally a piece of crap, but I'm pretty nice IRL. I thanked them for their time, told my manager how much I appreciated him, etc. my bday was Wednesday, but they were gonna present me with my cake today. :frown:
damn son, go golfing already
Sorry. I'm better now. :)
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Attorneycats can probably help me here. Say an individual in his mid-30s is considering law school, taking a lsat prep course and earned a 153 before learning much about the LSAT. He has an offer for a job that would pay 40k now, with opportunity to escalate fairly quickly. Law school will be about 12k annually without scholarships or aid.
I know many fresh out of school attorneys start in the 40s to 50s range, which could make paying back school debt a long-term deal.
Too late for the career change?
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Attorneycats can probably help me here. Say an individual in his mid-30s is considering law school, taking a lsat prep course and earned a 153 before learning much about the LSAT. He has an offer for a job that would pay 40k now, with opportunity to escalate fairly quickly. Law school will be about 12k annually without scholarships or aid.
I know many fresh out of school attorneys start in the 40s to 50s range, which could make paying back school debt a long-term deal.
Too late for the career change?
why do you want to be an attorney?
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I like the idea of being able to help people. The legal system seems to be a way of leveling playing fields for some people who are typically at a disadvantage.
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If it's something you're passionate about, go for it.
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Law school is super easy. I say go for it, but only if you can get that 153 (lol) up near 170
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Thanks Spracne . If helping the less fortunate doesn't work out, I've heard there are lots of eminent domain cases against the elderly in Lawrence.
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#blessed
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what is spracne compensating for you guys :lol:
I bet his iq isn't over 100 :ROFL:
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Are there?
Edit: @moscribe re: eminent domain cases in Lawrence
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If you are unhappy, in your mid 30's, and can do something about it without crashing your world, def do it.
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what is spracne compensating for you guys
I bet his iq isn't over 100 :ROFL:
Get off my nutz, "the big train."
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Are there?
Edit: @moscribe re: eminent domain cases in Lawrence
You probably missed this when finishing up your third year at Harvard: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3136518/posts
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Yeah, I heard about that. What a lucky old bird. What about the eminent domain cases, though?
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Google is your friend here. But you're probably right- criminal defense would have made a better argument. I bow to you and your possibly superior pre-LSAT score.
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I'm smarter than you, is what I'm getting at, here.
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but what did you guys get on your ACT/SAT?
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I'm smarter than you, is what I'm getting at, here.
If Ad hominem attacks are what define intelligence, then you're the best, bud.
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spracne is in the 97th percentile :Wha:
http://www.alphascore.com/resources/lsat-score-conversion/#chart
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spracne is in the 97th percentile :Wha:
http://www.alphascore.com/resources/lsat-score-conversion/#chart
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I'm smarter than you, is what I'm getting at, here.
If Ad Nominee attacks are what define intelligence, then you're the best, bud.
Que? Ad hominem?
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94th percentile
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i feel so sorry for your parents :frown:
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i feel so sorry for your parents :frown:
I don't. It's got to be mostly their fault. "That's not good enough, son. Go and practice your puns until dinner. No Jayhawks football until you do."
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<-- actual picture of my father upon hearing the news
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looks serious :frown:
T's
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Attorneycats can probably help me here. Say an individual in his mid-30s is considering law school, taking a lsat prep course and earned a 153 before learning much about the LSAT. He has an offer for a job that would pay 40k now, with opportunity to escalate fairly quickly. Law school will be about 12k annually without scholarships or aid.
I know many fresh out of school attorneys start in the 40s to 50s range, which could make paying back school debt a long-term deal.
Too late for the career change?
yes, too late. Pm for details
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Surprised wacky hasn't told us how awesome his new job is yet
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Surprised wacky hasn't told us how awesome his new job is yet
It's pretty awesome. I have no reception somehow at work, so a much needed bbs break is coming. I work for a corporate dental company as a national doctor recruiter for our practices. I'll travel to schools and talk to upcoming grads and also recruit from our home base. Going to Ohio State next week! :Woot:
-Posted from the side of the road, waiting for my tow, because my popped tire melted on. :frown:
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a) that sounds like a great gig wc!
b) lol
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Thanks, bud! :cheers:
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sounds like a great fun job, wacky. gratz
cars thread: what god is punishing you?
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sounds like a great fun job, wacky. gratz
cars thread: what god is punishing you?
Agreed! 8-5 too with weekends off. Unheard of for me.
I think what ever God is doing this, is trying to keep me level headed. Doesn't want me to feel too good about life. :)
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i will seriously sell you the hellantra for $999 when i leave. all your problems will be solved.
just post your signature and consider this a binding contract
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i will seriously sell you the hellantra for $999 when i leave. all your problems will be solved.
just post your signature and consider this a binding contract
Wackycat08
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i will seriously sell you the hellantra for $999 when i leave. all your problems will be solved.
just post your signature and consider this a binding contract
Wackycat08
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:lol:
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Congrats on the job and the new car!
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Congrats on the job and the new car!
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Thanks! :Woot:
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Good stuff wacky!! Sounds like some fun college town travel and nice hours. Just get the IT guy to hook your phone up to secret wifi in the office and you're set!
Sounds like you drove a little too far on the rim...
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Thanks! :thumbs:
I had to. I was driving on 69 south coming to the 435 split. I had no shoulder. :frown:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEr6K1bwIVs
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eastcat starts a new job on monday :ohno:
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eastcat starts a new job on monday :ohno:
Congrats and good luck.
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Good luck! Is it something you have been hoping for?
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Good luck! Is it something you have been hoping for?
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Thanks guys
Not sure yet but I think so.
It's an analyst position at a large bank on the east coast.
Coming from a small firm in kc, it's a jump.
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Good luck! Is it something you have been hoping for?
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Thanks guys
Not sure yet but I think so.
It's an analyst position at a large bank on the east coast.
Coming from a small firm in kc, it's a jump.
Sounds sweet. If you've never been to the east coast there is lots to see and do. Enjoy the experience.
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One week in at the new job.
It's a pretty crazy setup, 1,500 analysts in a building with no windows, job is super complex with no formal training. Expected 'learning' time is 3-6 months.
Benefits and pay are fortune 30 awesome tho.
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What's the suicide rate?
Gonna win 'em all!
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How often does the office get completely cleaned out and relocated randomly and without warning?
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I hated my accounting and finance classes rough ridin' HATED THEM. this does not seem like a job I would like eastcat
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What's the suicide rate?
Gonna win 'em all!
Cant jump out of a building with no windows
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What's the suicide rate?
Gonna win 'em all!
Cant jump out of a building with no windows
You have a point here and it does seem deliberate.
Most have been there since 08' or earlier. Nobody knows my name yet, yet I have received 440 emails this week alone :dunno:
It will take some getting used to.
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i recommend sending emails that reflect how you post on this blog
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i recommend sending emails that reflect how you post on this blog
its a brash environment, I doubt anyone would notice.
Someone used the term "get mumped" on a conference call tuesday. I'll be fine. :thumbs:
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i was silly to freak out about the date (as expected). I'm here until after thanksgiving.
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:sdeek: That is a lot of Cats FB game to not drink to much at
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:sdeek: That is a lot of Cats FB game to not drink to much at
those urinals are bound to run into some trouble at some point. nature cannot be held back forever.
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What about my car, Puni? :impatient:
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What about my car, Puni? :impatient:
its getting better every day, man!
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do you still listen to any CDs? im about to rip out [the] deck for a new media digital only deal with blutooth and crap and ill save the old one for you if you really want to listen to CDs or if you want to restore the car to collector quality with original equipment.
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:excited:
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I have an interview Wednesday!
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:thumbs:
bump in pay? something you would like better? relocation?
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Yes. 20% bump. Something I'll like about the same.
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Good luck with that, SdK
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Thank you!
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:thumbs:
Gonna win 'em all!
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Have an interview with a firm in Kansas City. :)
Due to an existing relationship with my current employer, I have to run it by my HR before I can interview. :dubious: Yeah that'll go well.
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Have an interview with a firm in Kansas City. :)
Due to an existing relationship with my current employer, I have to run it by my HR before I can interview. :dubious: Yeah that'll go well.
ouch. I have always wondered how these conversations play out.
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It's cool, michcat...he changed his screen name to Wacky Cat so nobody can trace his posts
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lol. I was joking, but yes, obviously I wouldn't.
I'm referring to actually posting your original post, too.
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Good call. I deleted it.
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Another gE success story
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great work here today, guys.
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damnit what did i miss?
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We saved wacky from having michcat update his resume
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Will he ever learn?
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Will he ever learn?
Says the guy who wants to date his coworker.
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Oh no he didn't
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Somebody DM me what wacky said.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Will he ever learn?
Says the guy who wants to date his coworker.
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"Hang in there buddy"
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Do you even know what I posted or were you just piling on with the rest of them, not having a clue?
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It appeared you made a post that was then deleted so for reasons pertaining to your employment. Something you've had to do before. If I assumed incorrectly, I apologize.
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Interview went well. Pay is even better then imagined after 90 days. 150% of what I am making now.
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50% more or 2.5 times as much? Either way.... :cheers:
Gonna win 'em all!
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50% more. Thank you.
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hope it works out sdk :thumbs:
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Thank you Tobias!
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It's official! I hired my first doctor today and I got him away from the competitor. :emawkid: :Woohoo:
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congrats on doing your job
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congrats on doing your job
Thanks, jackass! :cheers:
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:lol:
congrats on doing your job
Gonna win 'em all!
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:lol:
congrats on doing your job
Thanks, jackass! :cheers:
Gonna win 'em all!
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Good job wacky!
Gonna win 'em all!
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:thumbs:
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:peek:
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So...hopefully gonna graduate in May. Changed my major just so I can graduate because I'm tired of school basically. Major in Social Science and Minor in Mass Communications. No idea what is gonna happen once I get that piece of paper, but I'll cross that bridge when it comes. Any ideas? Thinking about moving down to Austin with a buddy who already resides there now.
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Get an MBA and get good grades
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Get an MBA and get good grades
Worst advice I've ever heard uttered by SD. Maybe "Get an MBA [at a good school] and get good grades". But get an MBA at U of whatevercommuterschool is near you and have fun paying your student loans for the next 10 years with little marginal benefit.
If I see your resume and it's clear you never attended real life classes to obtain your degree, pass.
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Maybe cross the bridge now and start getting your resume together and start getting with career services about what you can do w that degree, then start getting with the ppl in those industries and at the companies.
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Get an MBA and get good grades
Worst advice I've ever heard uttered by SD. Maybe "Get an MBA [at a good school] and get good grades". But get an MBA at U of whatevercommuterschool is near you and have fun paying your student loans for the next 10 years with little marginal benefit.
If I see your resume and it's clear you never attended real life classes to obtain your degree, pass.
Don't put words in my mouth crap brain
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Get an MBA and get good grades
Worst advice I've ever heard uttered by SD. Maybe "Get an MBA [at a good school] and get good grades". But get an MBA at U of whatevercommuterschool is near you and have fun paying your student loans for the next 10 years with little marginal benefit.
If I see your resume and it's clear you never attended real life classes to obtain your degree, pass.
Don't put words in my mouth crap brain
Wanna fight tough guy??
MBA's are the most overrated thing in this world. Way more than Beyoncé or bacon.
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I like the idea of moving to Austin with your buddy. What is it you want to do professionally?
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Get an MBA and get good grades
Worst advice I've ever heard uttered by SD. Maybe "Get an MBA [at a good school] and get good grades". But get an MBA at U of whatevercommuterschool is near you and have fun paying your student loans for the next 10 years with little marginal benefit.
If I see your resume and it's clear you never attended real life classes to obtain your degree, pass.
Don't put words in my mouth crap brain
Wanna fight tough guy??
MBA's are the most overrated thing in this world. Way more than Beyoncé or bacon.
I will kick your ass.
Gonna win 'em all!
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So...hopefully gonna graduate in May. Changed my major just so I can graduate because I'm tired of school basically. Major in Social Science and Minor in Mass Communications. No idea what is gonna happen once I get that piece of paper, but I'll cross that bridge when it comes. Any ideas? Thinking about moving down to Austin with a buddy who already resides there now.
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Work for a startup in Austin and be willing to do any type of work for them.
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So...hopefully gonna graduate in May. Changed my major just so I can graduate because I'm tired of school basically. Major in Social Science and Minor in Mass Communications. No idea what is gonna happen once I get that piece of paper, but I'll cross that bridge when it comes. Any ideas? Thinking about moving down to Austin with a buddy who already resides there now.
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Work for a startup in Austin and be willing to do any type of work for them.
Looks like Rusty wins this advice battle.
Congrats.
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Rumors that I'll be getting promoted to a 40k+ a year job. Boss told me to "keep doing what you're doing because good things are coming your way, trust me."
This is a huge deal for me. I'm excited.
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Rumors that I'll be getting promoted to a 40k+ a year job. Boss told me to "keep doing what you're doing because good things are coming your way, trust me."
This is a huge deal for me. I'm excited.
Best of luck with that, SdK. I'm sure you've earned it.
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also, :ohno:.
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Lets help ben ji out and teach him about "Offer letters" and how to get the best compensation package possible.
Backstory-
Interviewed with a company about 3 years ago but didn't get the job. I stayed in contact with the two people who interviewed me since we are in the same industry etc etc. About 3 months ago these 2 people left and started a new company (more of a new division inside an established company, around 10 employees total) and it just so happens that one of my friends is in the HR department.
Friend approaches me about working for them and sets up a meeting with the people I had previously interviewed with.
We had lunch about 2 weeks ago and things went great, talked compensation/job duties/expectations/etc etc. They were looking for someone to start in Jan/Feb and told me to contact them after thanksgiving with a time frame on when I could start and they would send me an offer letter.
Current story-
I have never received an official "Offer letter" in my 2 post college jobs and obviously don't have it yet...but assuming they send me one in the next couple of weeks how should I approach it to get the best deal possible?
What are some specifics to ask for? What should I look out for?
All advice is wecome
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Lets help ben ji out and teach him about "Offer letters" and how to get the best compensation package possible.
Backstory-
Interviewed with a company about 3 years ago but didn't get the job. I stayed in contact with the two people who interviewed me since we are in the same industry etc etc. About 3 months ago these 2 people left and started a new company (more of a new division inside an established company, around 10 employees total) and it just so happens that one of my friends is in the HR department.
Friend approaches me about working for them and sets up a meeting with the people I had previously interviewed with.
We had lunch about 2 weeks ago and things went great, talked compensation/job duties/expectations/etc etc. They were looking for someone to start in Jan/Feb and told me to contact them after thanksgiving with a time frame on when I could start and they would send me an offer letter.
Current story-
I have never received an official "Offer letter" in my 2 post college jobs and obviously don't have it yet...but assuming they send me one in the next couple of weeks how should I approach it to get the best deal possible?
What are some specifics to ask for? What should I look out for?
All advice is wecome
quick thoughts:
If they are making the first offer you should be in a good spot.
Research salaries at other companies in the area/industry to get a better idea of your worth. (I don't know if glassdoor is active in kc, but it was very helpful in my recent search). Try to get an ideal number in your head now so you're prepared and can move quickly.
Don't be afraid to negotiate even though it's people you know well.
Make sure you're clear on vacation policy and other benefits before you agree to anything.
Negotiate vacation if they can't meet your salary demands but you still want the job.
And obviously think about why you're making this move. How does it help you in the next year? In five years?
wait, it looks like you already have compensation settled, so you can ignore the others
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Do what mich suggested. Just because you guys already discussed details doesn't mean those will be the details in the letter.
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Good luck! :thumbs:
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Do what mich suggested. Just because you guys already discussed details doesn't mean those will be the details in the letter.
Yeah definitely look for discrepancies between what you discussed and what is on the letter. Ask for clarification in writing wherever it is lacking.
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All good advice, thanks.
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If you already discussed everything and indicated your salary at that time, then as long as the letter mirrors what you discussed, just sign it. Don't need to be a dick if everything is kosher.
If there is any possibility of ownership, however small, ask for that.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Good point on ownership. Especially for a new start up company, subsidiary, or division.
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If you already discussed everything and indicated your salary at that time, then as long as the letter mirrors what you discussed, just sign it. Don't need to be a dick if everything is kosher.
If there is any possibility of ownership, however small, ask for that.
Gonna win 'em all!
Good point on the ownership. How should I approach it?
From what I know the company I would work at is one of 4 or 5 other companies (related but not competitors) underneath the privately held parent company.
See if they have company stock? Any key phrases or terms to ask about so I don't look like a total noob?
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without knowing anything about the industry or company, I wouldn't worry about ownership if the salary's right. And if you don't like the salary, don't be let them convince you to take a lower salary in exchange for shares in a company that you will likely never be able to cash in. (unless it is a public company offering stock options - at least those you should be able to cash in).
Also, ownership is basically additional compensation, so if it hasn't been mentioned yet (and it sounds like you agreed on compensation) it's not part of the offer and you would probably sound like a noob discussing it now.
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make sure to get minimum fishing time in writing
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What do you think the company is worth? Tell them that you want to help build this business into X (whatever that is), and then tell them what you see the business growing in to over the next 10 years (which should be somewhat consistent with what you have already discussed). Then tell them you would like a fraction of the business if you are still there and performing at a high level in 5 years. 1 or 2 % of $100,000,000.00 company is pretty rough ridin' awesome.
Gonna win 'em all!
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My light bulb buddy (worth a crap load) is getting ready to have an IPO with a new venture and it will be worth several billions within a few years. Crap like this happens. Maybe not all of the time, but it happens. Be ready to capitalize on the opportunities you can be a part of.
Another buddy if mine left a long term gig and went to work for a start up. Negotiated a small ownership in that company, which sold less than a year after he went to work for them. Boom. Summer of Mark. He took the family on beech vacations and to Italy all summer. Now he is starting his own consulting business and smiling so wide he could eat a banana sideways. .
Gonna win 'em all!
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Are beech vacations expensive?
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Are beech vacations expensive?
he took 5 months off and went on vacations with his family.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I think this job is going to take a big bite out of my BBS'n time
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Oh crap. Renege! Renege!
Gonna win 'em all!
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Oh crap. Renege! Renege!
Gonna win 'em all!
And dishonor my ancestors???
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And dishonor my ancestors???
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
show up in workout clothes.
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
1.5 days
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
When I got the job I am currently in (14 years) thr first step was a screening interview. They told me to expect about 30 minutes. I arrived about twenty minutes early just to get myself settled and prepared. They greeted me right away and asked if I wanted to start the screening since they were ready and I was there. We started at about 10:15. When we were still visiting about my philosophy and my leadership self- reflection at about 12:40, I knew they were interested in calling me back. It was grueling. They followed that up a week later with the entire panel (11 interviewers) and an interview that lasted two hours. They had two more finalists lined up for interviews. I received a call several hours later with an offer.
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
1.5 days
Non-stop? Or are you talking about a 9-5 plus another 9-1pm the next day?
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
When I got the job I am currently in (14 years) thr first step was a screening interview. They told me to expect about 30 minutes. I arrived about twenty minutes early just to get myself settled and prepared. They greeted me right away and asked if I wanted to start the screening since they were ready and I was there. We started at about 10:15. When we were still visiting about my philosophy and my leadership self- reflection at about 12:40, I knew they were interested in calling me back. It was grueling. They followed that up a week later with the entire panel (11 interviewers) and an interview that lasted two hours. They had two more finalists lined up for interviews. I received a call several hours later with an offer.
Did you accept the offer?
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
When I got the job I am currently in (14 years) thr first step was a screening interview. They told me to expect about 30 minutes. I arrived about twenty minutes early just to get myself settled and prepared. They greeted me right away and asked if I wanted to start the screening since they were ready and I was there. We started at about 10:15. When we were still visiting about my philosophy and my leadership self- reflection at about 12:40, I knew they were interested in calling me back. It was grueling. They followed that up a week later with the entire panel (11 interviewers) and an interview that lasted two hours. They had two more finalists lined up for interviews. I received a call several hours later with an offer.
Did you accept the offer?
Since it's the job I am currently in...yes, I accepted the offer. How's it going, SdK?
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I was being silly. Life is good.
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I knew that. Glad to hear that life is good.
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
I've had all day interviews, but it was more of a series of meetings with different departments. Are you going to be in with the same group the entire time? I always like to know who I'm interviewing ahead of time so I can get my head around what I need to prepare for.
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I recently met seperately with a recruiter, a different recruiter, SVP, AVP, different AVP, manager of department I was interviewing for, guy I'd be working with in that department, manager of adjacent department, manager and three people from a different adjacent department. Four hours one day, three hours the next. No offer.
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I had 4 separate in house interviews for this job. 1. Recruiting Manager/HR Director 2. Team/Shadowing 3. COO 4. CEO
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
1.5 days
Non-stop? Or are you talking about a 9-5 plus another 9-1pm the next day?
It was a 9-dinner and like 9-11 the next day.
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Do you guys ever call in sick because you are getting stressed out being at work and you want to scream and punch someone while you are there? Just wondering.
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Do you guys ever call in sick because you are getting stressed out being at work and you want to scream and punch someone while you are there? Just wondering.
Just scream and punch them. You're a girl...it won't get you fired and you probably can't hurt them with your little girly punch anyway.
(Sorry you have to deal with an idiot MG. Christmas is just over a week away. Try to remain calm.)
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Do you guys ever call in sick because you are getting stressed out being at work and you want to scream and punch someone while you are there? Just wondering.
Just scream and punch them. You're a girl...it won't get you fired and you probably can't hurt them with your little girly punch anyway.
(Sorry you have to deal with an idiot MG. Christmas is just over a week away. Try to remain calm.)
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I'd probably get charged with assault with a deadly weapon.
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Do you guys ever call in sick because you are getting stressed out being at work and you want to scream and punch someone while you are there? Just wondering.
I just type out passive aggressive emails and then delete them.
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
1.5 days
Non-stop? Or are you talking about a 9-5 plus another 9-1pm the next day?
It was a 9-dinner and like 9-11 the next day.
We do a similar process. A decent amount is shadowing. Sometimes start after lunch instead of 9 the first day. Higher up positions generally have 4-7 interviews with different ppl plus dinners.
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If you know of anyone who's currently looking for admin work and can handle sitting by me everyday, please let me know. TIA.
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hire mrs wacky
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hire mrs wacky
OMG! NO!
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I had 7 interviews for a job one time. 6 different people, 1 twice. I had to travel for them as well so travel, hotel, food, etc was paid for each one (4 total trips).
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Anybody well qualified for a marketing communications position?
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Anybody well qualified for a marketing communications position?
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other than every 23 year old woman i know?
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Anybody well qualified for a marketing communications position?
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other than every 23 year old woman i know?
well qualified.
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Stop stealing my candidates, slobber!
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Anybody well qualified for a marketing communications position?
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other than every 23 year old woman i know?
well qualified.
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you mean like other than every 24 year old woman i know?
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Oh man guys picture slobber interviewing naive 23 year olds or rode hard and put up wet 24 year olds! :sdeek:
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Do you guys ever call in sick because you are getting stressed out being at work and you want to scream and punch someone while you are there? Just wondering.
I actually did that Friday. Needed a break from work, so I took the day off and unplugged.
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Do you guys ever call in sick because you are getting stressed out being at work and you want to scream and punch someone while you are there? Just wondering.
I actually did that Friday. Needed a break from work, so I took the day off and unplugged.
I did the same thing on Friday too. :sdeek:
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Thanks guys!
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I had 7 interviews for a job one time. 6 different people, 1 twice. I had to travel for them as well so travel, hotel, food, etc was paid for each one (4 total trips).
Sounds fun. Any decent cities? I got to travel once as well, totally worth it to learn that Cinncinati is an ugly city. Free stuff tho!
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I just got told today, that they're expanding my role/territory since i'm doing so well. Guys!!! :love:
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I just got told today, that they're expanding my role/territory since i'm doing so well. Guys!!! :love:
Congrats! Does this mean you are going to make a couple of more Arky socks?
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Thanks! Maybe I will to celebrate!
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Thanks! Maybe I will to celebrate!
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:thumbs:
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I'm proud of you WackyCat08
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Thanks guys!
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I need to take at least 1.5 days of vacation before the end of the year or I will lose them. Which days do you think are the best to take off? I already get Dec 24-25, 31 & Jan 1 off.
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Tomorrow and Wendsday at noon
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Nice work wacky
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after six months of not having a boss, it looks like I might be getting one in about 3 months. not v excited for this. :flush:
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I need to take at least 1.5 days of vacation before the end of the year or I will lose them. Which days do you think are the best to take off? I already get Dec 24-25, 31 & Jan 1 off.
Do you travel for Christmas? If so, I'd take off the 22 at noon to give yourself some sort of a weekend.
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Nice work wacky
Thanks, friend!
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like, I technically had a boss but the guy didn't know he was my boss for around four months and then he was like "I have no idea what you do but I know you're almost always here and I assume you do your job well". then he gave me a seven gold star eval on my yearly evaluation. that's the boss I need. rumor is that new guy might be kind of old and esl'ish. do not want.
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Your evals are on the seven point system :horrorsurprise:
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yours aren't?
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My most recent was /250 (I got a 250 :gocho: )
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after six months of not having a boss, it looks like I might be getting one in about 3 months. not v excited for this. :flush:
Oh, that's total bullshit.
I didn't have a boss for a while. When I finally got one, it was someone internal who didn't want the added responsibility, like, at all. It's been almost exactly like not having a boss. In fact, I didn't even know that this person was my boss for over a year.
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My most recent was /250 (I got a 250 :gocho: )
Is that stars or raccoons?
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Also, you work for an old guy who doesn't get tech much, let alone even know that BBS's exist(or what they are), right?
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Points, like baseball.
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Your evals are on the seven point system :horrorsurprise:
we're on a five point system and I got a five. he also has no idea what I do, doesn't want to know and doesn't want to be my boss. but I think he had some appreciation in the fact that I was able to do what I do without ever bothering him or causing problems for anyone.
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I need to take at least 1.5 days of vacation before the end of the year or I will lose them. Which days do you think are the best to take off? I already get Dec 24-25, 31 & Jan 1 off.
Do you travel for Christmas? If so, I'd take off the 22 at noon to give yourself some sort of a weekend.
We just drive on Christmas Eve a couple hours to my family and then back so we can go to his family on Christmas day.
Also, I can take off more than 1.5 days, those are just the days that are going to expire. Also, it is too late to take off tomorrow as lib suggested because I already have two 2 hour meetings tomorrow. :sdeek:
Also, I was thinking that I might want to work on the Wednesdays because our boss will probably tell us to leave at 3pm anyways...(maybe)
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I have no idea then
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What kind of police department is Riley county running when a patrol officer has no boss for half the year
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What kind of police department is Riley county running when a patrol officer has no boss for half the year
Shoot to kill. Don't cause problems.
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Mrs Gooch my wife can't make these kinds of decisions by herself either. :frown:
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I always thought Christmas bonuses we're made up. They're actually a thing?! Holy crap!!!! :love: "DON'T eff THIS JOB UP FANNING" "DON'T eff THIS JOB UP FANNING".... :Wha:
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I need to take at least 1.5 days of vacation before the end of the year or I will lose them. Which days do you think are the best to take off? I already get Dec 24-25, 31 & Jan 1 off.
Do you travel for Christmas? If so, I'd take off the 22 at noon to give yourself some sort of a weekend.
We just drive on Christmas Eve a couple hours to my family and then back so we can go to his family on Christmas day.
Also, I can take off more than 1.5 days, those are just the days that are going to expire. Also, it is too late to take off tomorrow as lib suggested because I already have two 2 hour meetings tomorrow. :sdeek:
Also, I was thinking that I might want to work on the Wednesdays because our boss will probably tell us to leave at 3pm anyways...(maybe)
Take off 12/29 and morning of 12/29. Wake up late, do the afternoon at work refreshed and relaxed.
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I just found out I have 3 days of PTO left when I only thought it was one. Christmas and/or NYE just got awesome-r. I could sit on them and let them roll over. Probably should use at least one, right? Already have Dec 24-27 and Dec 31-Jan 3 off. Thinking the 23rd is a good idea. Maybe the 30th
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I just found out I have 3 days of PTO left when I only thought it was one. Christmas and/or NYE just got awesome-r. I could sit on them and let them roll over. Probably should use at least one, right? Already have Dec 24-27 and Dec 31-Jan 3 off. Thinking the 23rd is a good idea. Maybe the 30th
If you were planning on working anyway, bank them all. They're the easiest work days of the year.
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That's what I'm doing!
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I'm currently just a seasonal employee. Today I was told not to worry about the upcoming decisions to be made. But was told to tell my coworker to push himself. I am not going to tell him that.
I'm more productive but not by too terribly much and I sign up for voluntary OT. He doesn't. Moral of the story: looks and people skills matter.
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Also, once it's official, giant ice cream party.
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On me.
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I just found out I have 3 days of PTO left when I only thought it was one. Christmas and/or NYE just got awesome-r. I could sit on them and let them roll over. Probably should use at least one, right? Already have Dec 24-27 and Dec 31-Jan 3 off. Thinking the 23rd is a good idea. Maybe the 30th
If you were planning on working anyway, bank them all. They're the easiest work days of the year.
True. This is why I blog on goEMAW, reality checks.
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tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.
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tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.
This is a great question. I am looking forward to the responses. Me personally, I would have hired somebody by this point.
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tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.
This is a great question. I am looking forward to the responses. Me personally, I would have hired somebody by this point.
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tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.
It is typical to do them for my field and here is how I have done them. Think of it as a statement of purpose. Why are you applying for this job. That answer is all forward looking and focused on the job you are seeking, the skills that you offer that are a match the areas of strength you bring. Kind of like a highlights of the resume.
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tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.
Yeah just go deeper into your resume and tailor it even more to the job description than you already did when tweaked your resume for the specific positron.
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its a chance to brag about yourself in a very professional way
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tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.
This is a great question. I am looking forward to the responses. Me personally, I would have hired somebody by this point.
:confused:
I haven't done one in a bazillion years. At this point, if I am ever out looking for a job, I will hire somebody to do my resume and write my cover letters (or at least guide me in writing them). The two major promotions I have gotten in the past 10 years were basically taps on the shoulder, so I didn't have to do this crap. I have tried to keep my resume up to date, but it probably pretty :lol: compared to a professional.
I know others wouldn't agree with me on paying somebody, but I have just seen how it has helped others over the past decade or so.
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If you write a cover letter I'll look it over for free.
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tell me about cover letters. what do i put on this thing? i've never put serious effort into writing one before.
This is a great question. I am looking forward to the responses. Me personally, I would have hired somebody by this point.
:confused:
I haven't done one in a bazillion years. At this point, if I am ever out looking for a job, I will hire somebody to do my resume and write my cover letters (or at least guide me in writing them). The two major promotions I have gotten in the past 10 years were basically taps on the shoulder, so I didn't have to do this crap. I have tried to keep my resume up to date, but it probably pretty :lol: compared to a professional.
I know others wouldn't agree with me on paying somebody, but I have just seen how it has helped others over the past decade or so.
Ive written cover letters for people before and have formatted resumes as well. There's nothing wrong with someone doing that for you.
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ugh, i'm horrible at talking about myself positively.
the posting asks for a "brief" cover letter though, so that's better i guess.
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I thought you were moving to kc with your current gig?
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I thought you were moving to kc with your current gig?
I am, but I apply here and there out in michigancat land when i see something interesting. i'd like to move out there eventually, but the experience i'm getting at current job will probably help that more in another year or two.
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I thought you were moving to kc with your current gig?
I am, but I apply here and there out in michigancat land when i see something interesting. i'd like to move out there eventually, but the experience i'm getting at current job will probably help that more in another year or two.
I don't know why you haven't reached out to me about this. I KNOW PEOPLE DAMMIT
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ugh, i'm horrible at talking about myself positively.
the posting asks for a "brief" cover letter though, so that's better i guess.
Let me know if I can help.
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I thought you were moving to kc with your current gig?
I am, but I apply here and there out in michigancat land when i see something interesting. i'd like to move out there eventually, but the experience i'm getting at current job will probably help that more in another year or two.
I don't know why you haven't reached out to me about this. I KNOW PEOPLE DAMMIT
hook me up bro
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I hate writing cover letters. Such a pain. That being said, they can be pretty formulaic.
Paragraph 1: Statement on who you are, and what you're applying to. Paragraph 2: Things/experiences about yourself that make you qualified for this specific job. Feel free to include details on the successes of your past projects or whatever experiences you list. Paragraph 3: What specifically attracts you about this job at this place? Paragraph 4/conclusion: Because of X, X and X I am confident that I would be a valuable addition to your team. List contact information. Thanks for your consideration.
Paragraph 2 and 3 can be switched too. That's just how I usually do them.
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Pro tip: I never look at anyone's cover letter. Mainly just resume's.
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Pro tip: I never look at anyone's cover letter. Mainly just resume's.
What is the thing belonging to the resume that you look at?
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Pro tip: I never look at anyone's cover letter. Mainly just resume's.
What is the thing belonging to the resume that you look at?
Their experience. I recruit doctors, so I guess you could say it's different. I mainly make sure to see that they have their diploma, back ground checks, license checks, reference checks, and we make them go through like 4 different interviews before they come on.
Recruiters/HR ppl get excited when resume's fly in. My manager literally wants me to call on everyone of them, whether they're a good fit or not, just to network. It really depends on the position, but if your background looks like you're qualified for that position, you'll usually at least get a call for a brief phone interview.
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Remember, HR/Recruiters have to fill positions in a certain amount of time. Sometimes they have more than one position to feel as well. When you're dealing with several candidates, the cover letter is the least of my worries. I just want to see how they sound on the phone and get them in front of my regional director.
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I don't think someone who doesn't know the proper use of apostrophes is qualified to judge a doctor's resume.
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I don't think someone who doesn't know the proper use of apostrophes is qualified to judge a doctor's resume.
I have other skills that makes up for that, but thanks! ;)
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Cover letters have got the be the dumbest thing ever conceived. They provide absolutely no value to anyone unless you just want to weed out people who can't form complete sentences.
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Cover letters have got the be the dumbest thing ever conceived. They provide absolutely no value to anyone unless you just want to weed out people who can't form complete sentences.
still not as dumb as mission statements
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Cover letters have got the be the dumbest thing ever conceived. They provide absolutely no value to anyone unless you just want to weed out people who can't form complete sentences.
What? I read the cover letters before I even look at the resume. That communication piece is huge when sorting out who might fit the work for which I am hiring. And in the business world it is fairly important that we weed out people who can't form complete sentences.
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I've never had an employer or recruiter mention anything about a cover letter.
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Cover letters have got the be the dumbest thing ever conceived. They provide absolutely no value to anyone unless you just want to weed out people who can't form complete sentences.
That actually provides pretty important insight, I would think. Communication is so much of most ppl's jobs, but it seems to be overlooked a lot.
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I think it is an extra hurdle to weed people out. It separates those who do blind resume dumps from those who actually sat back for a second and really considered the reasons they want the particular job.
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Cover letters matter to some people, which is why you should do it if it's a job you really want. I wrote one for the last two or three jobs I've gotten.
I think it is an extra hurdle to weed people out. It separates those who do blind resume dumps from those who actually sat back for a second and really considered the reasons they want the particular job.
Yep. When I'm looking at applicants and someone doesn't write a cover letter while everyone else does, I assume the person who doesn't write the cover letter doesn't really want the job. It really doesn't require that much effort to write one if you've done it before.
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i generally have a template cover letter i use where i switch company names, assuming im applying for very similar positions.
my biggest fear is spelling something wrong or saying the wrong thing, so i hardly ever change it. plus, they suck to write. i know the one i have works well and imo cover letters are just to show writing skills and give something other than just a list of the places youve worked.
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I've hired entry level employees and definitely took cover letters in consideration. Same as if someone shows up to interview in a suit - not the only thing but will definitely tell me their level of commitment and interest. In hindsight, most the people that are showing that level of commitment have been pretty successful too.
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It kind of sounds like ChiCat works in a field where everyone loves to pat themselves on the back. The people I have interviewed I always told them NOT to dress up just to see if they follow directions or not. That said I still do all the things I am degrading (cover letters, wear a suit depending on the company). BUT I DON'T ENJOY IT!
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It kind of sounds like ChiCat works in a field where everyone loves to pat themselves on the back. The people I have interviewed I always told them NOT to dress up just to see if they follow directions or not. That said I still do all the things I am degrading (cover letters, wear a suit depending on the company). BUT I DON'T ENJOY IT!
Culture compels people to engage in all sorts of behavior they might not otherwise enjoy.
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Culture :curse:
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It kind of sounds like ChiCat works in a field where everyone loves to pat themselves on the back. The people I have interviewed I always told them NOT to dress up just to see if they follow directions or not. That said I still do all the things I am degrading (cover letters, wear a suit depending on the company). BUT I DON'T ENJOY IT!
I hope you're not in a position where you interview any longer, shitbag.
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It kind of sounds like ChiCat works in a field where everyone loves to pat themselves on the back. The people I have interviewed I always told them NOT to dress up just to see if they follow directions or not. That said I still do all the things I am degrading (cover letters, wear a suit depending on the company). BUT I DON'T ENJOY IT!
I hope you're not in a position where you interview any longer, shitbag.
Don't worry, you have to have more than a peanut brain to get hired.
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hmm, you wore a suit to today's interview. i have a great feeling about you, kiddo. you're going places in this world. hired!
now the guy in overalls, don't know why he wasted my time this morning.
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It kind of sounds like ChiCat works in a field where everyone loves to pat themselves on the back. The people I have interviewed I always told them NOT to dress up just to see if they follow directions or not. That said I still do all the things I am degrading (cover letters, wear a suit depending on the company). BUT I DON'T ENJOY IT!
I hope you're not in a position where you interview any longer, shitbag.
Don't worry, you have to have more than a peanut brain to get hired.
yup, that's exactly what i was getting after. you rough ridin' nailed it!
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hmm, you know what, young buck? that cover letter that you copied and pasted off the internet has proven to me that you can communicate. like a mofo. hired!
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As I said, these were entry level positions. Most the jobs I've hired for don't require a genius. I would argue that a lot of entry level jobs pretty much require an effort, ability to communicate, and a good attitude. You guys can search for the hidden genius that can't bother with a rough ridin' cover letter if you want but the obvious has served me well.
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hired!
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
I got the job :Woohoo:
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What is the longest job interview you have been in? I have one Friday that is 5 hours. I hope they at least buy me lunch, or maybe it's some sort of endurance test.
I got the job :Woohoo:
Merry Christmas!
Congrats.
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Woohoo nice!
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thanks! I'm very excited about this step up in job title (and the :kstategrad: step up)
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thanks! I'm very excited about this step up in job title (and the :kstategrad: step up)
% increase?
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42.5%
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holy crap Abe nice work
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:thumbs:
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Wow! :thumbs:
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That is pretty sweet. Nice job Abe!
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Wow. Sweet jump in pay! :party: :emawkid:
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40% raise, yikes
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Thanks guys, just trying to keep up with the Joneses. Don't want people thinking I graduated from some pig aggie school or something
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Cover letters matter to some people, which is why you should do it if it's a job you really want. I wrote one for the last two or three jobs I've gotten.
I think it is an extra hurdle to weed people out. It separates those who do blind resume dumps from those who actually sat back for a second and really considered the reasons they want the particular job.
Yep. When I'm looking at applicants and someone doesn't write a cover letter while everyone else does, I assume the person who doesn't write the cover letter doesn't really want the job. It really doesn't require that much effort to write one if you've done it before.
Agree. I tried applying for a handful of internal positions within recent weeks (resume/profile only) - nothing. Then I sent a cover letter-like email for each job (but less paragraphy and boilerplatey) - something like 70% response rate within 2 days. That's all the evidence I need that they are worthwhile. I think software is one industry where the value is questionable given that sites like github and stackoverflow provide more meaningful predictors of competency than even resumes in many cases, but I think cover letters are a really, really good indcator of how much applicants care, which has to correlate to the odds of the applicant accepting the job (i.e., not wasting the hiring team's time) if offered.
Also...I generally don't review cover letters of interviewees (interviews/resumes only), but I am genuinely shocked at how awful some of the follow-up ("thanks for ur time!", I never learned subject-verb agreement, etc.) emails are. I can only imagine how bad their cover letters must have been - would have been automatically no-piled if I'd been the one screening them. Side note: I generally assume that I overestimated someone's IQ by at least 10 points and that they are really desperate if they send a trite thank-you e-mail to my engineering team (through HR) after the interview. For eff's sake.
Recent revelation for me: "objective" statements are usually absurd and have no place in most resumes (unless your intentions are truly unclear). Ditching those 3-4 lines of nothingness allowed me to condense the old 'sume to one page and make pretty much every character breathtakingly impressive. I didn't realize that objectives have become passe. How embarrassing!
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Yes, it should be obvious that your objective should be landing the job you're applying to.
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They're bringing in a photographer to take my head shots next week, for some of our marketing stuff that we're rolling out for 2016. :blush: I might be on a few billboards in Kentucky, you guys! :ohno: :Wha:
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LOFL
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are you sure wacky? think...
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Don't let them touch you and make you feel uncomfortable
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Hey guyz, ben ji checking in here with his new job :gocho:. Got the full benefits package today and found something I thought was pretty cool in regards to time off for holidays.
My company recognizes 12 holidays. We get 6 days off for the major ones (Christmas, new years, 4th of july etc) and 6 floating "personal holidays". The 6 "personal holidays" take the place of the random gov holidays like MLK, Presidents, columbus etc. We have to work on those days but can take our 6 personal holidays whenever we please, so its basically like an extra 6 days of vacation.
They also offer a HDHP and HSA so I'm going to head over to the investing thread and get some advice about the best way to use my HSA.
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What rough ridin' Justin Bieber song is this?! :curse:
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What rough ridin' Justin Bieber song is this?! :curse:
:D
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My employer has erroneously been withholding for both employee only and family health benefits for like the past 15 months. So, I just got a check for $7500 and my paychecks will increase by like $200. :Woot:
I want to go out and get something like a 1984 Porsche, but probably won't.
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My employer has erroneously been withholding for both employee only and family health benefits for like the past 15 months. So, I just got a check for $7500 and my paychecks will increase by like $200. :Woot:
I want to go out and get something like a 1984 Porsche, but probably won't.
Congrats on being a big enough dumbass not to notice that!
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classic chodecat!
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My previous employer erroneously withheld double on my health insurance one time so I went apeshit on them and immediately began applying for new jobs. Not only did I get the money back within a week but also got a new job and bailed on those dumbasses during the busiest time of the year.i
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My previous employer erroneously withheld double on my health insurance one time so I went apeshit on them and immediately began applying for new jobs. Not only did I get the money back within a week but also got a new job and bailed on those dumbasses during the busiest time of the year.i
Sounds like you're the dumbass. You should have pretended not to notice for a year or so and then hit the jackpot like chum1.
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crap, you're right. :Wha:
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My previous employer erroneously withheld double on my health insurance one time so I went apeshit on them and immediately began applying for new jobs. Not only did I get the money back within a week but also got a new job and bailed on those dumbasses during the busiest time of the year.i
This is a great over reaction
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The woman who made the mistake was apologizing profusely, but all I could think was, "I'm getting a check for $7500! SOOOOOO AWWWWESOME!" How can you even be pissed off when you get news like that?
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The woman who made the mistake was apologizing profusely, but all I could think was, "I'm getting a check for $7500! SOOOOOO AWWWWESOME!" How can you even be pissed off when you get news like that?
How does that work with pre and post tax deductions for insurance? Do you have to pay taxes on that money?
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The woman who made the mistake was apologizing profusely, but all I could think was, "I'm getting a check for $7500! SOOOOOO AWWWWESOME!" How can you even be pissed off when you get news like that?
How does that work with pre and post tax deductions for insurance? Do you have to pay taxes on that money?
No idea. I assume my employer will handle all of that appropriately.
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They handle everything else so well!
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The woman who made the mistake was apologizing profusely, but all I could think was, "I'm getting a check for $7500! SOOOOOO AWWWWESOME!" How can you even be pissed off when you get news like that?
How does that work with pre and post tax deductions for insurance? Do you have to pay taxes on that money?
No idea. I assume my employer will handle all of that appropriately.
Just saying it would shitty if it went from being untaxed to taxed income.
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The woman who made the mistake was apologizing profusely, but all I could think was, "I'm getting a check for $7500! SOOOOOO AWWWWESOME!" How can you even be pissed off when you get news like that?
How does that work with pre and post tax deductions for insurance? Do you have to pay taxes on that money?
No idea. I assume my employer will handle all of that appropriately.
Just saying it would shitty if it went from being untaxed to taxed income.
Well nevermind it should have been taxed to start with. So make sure you aren't looking at paying those taxes in the future
Or whatever.
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The woman who made the mistake was apologizing profusely, but all I could think was, "I'm getting a check for $7500! SOOOOOO AWWWWESOME!" How can you even be pissed off when you get news like that?
How does that work with pre and post tax deductions for insurance? Do you have to pay taxes on that money?
No idea. I assume my employer will handle all of that appropriately.
They clearly knew what they were doing to begin with, why worry now?
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so had a phone call out of the blue yesterday and now I need to update my resume for the first time in 13 years. I think things are a little different on the resume front since 2003 (and really 1999) since this current job was in the bag and it was just a formality. Are bulletpoint achievements still the preferred or whats the current stylistic preference?
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just pay someone to do it, there are a lot of formats you can use. a professional would know best.
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just pay someone to do it, there are a lot of formats you can use. a professional would know best.
not sure I want the hassle of that. It's a simple resume, 2 jobs in 17 years. And my friend runs the company, so it's really more for their parent company's sake.
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just pay someone to do it, there are a lot of formats you can use. a professional would know best.
not sure I want the hassle of that. It's a simple resume, 2 jobs in 17 years. And my friend runs the company, so it's really more for their parent company's sake.
sounds like it doesn't matter what the thing looks like then
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Hire @Michigancat to do it. Also, let me look at it too if you have some free time.
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yes, definitely let wackycat08 glance at it
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yes, definitely let wackycat08 glance at it
All jokes aside, it's what I do!
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What I've seen recently are pop-up resumes. Basically resumes folded in such a way that when opened whimsical pictures of your achievements pop up off the page at your potential employer.
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What I've seen recently are pop-up resumes. Basically resumes folded in such a way that when opened whimsical pictures of your achievements pop up off the page at your potential employer.
How the glitter is used is more important to me than the pop-up but I can only speak for myself on that
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definitely include a picture of yourself standing by a tree for maximum "pop"
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Steve Jobs would be so disappointed in this thread
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You know how many resumes I get with ppl's pictures on them? Of course, there hasn't been an ugly person yet who does it.
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What I've seen recently are pop-up resumes. Basically resumes folded in such a way that when opened whimsical pictures of your achievements pop up off the page at your potential employer.
damn, I thought the hot thing was cakes
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Ms. Abe snapchatted a picture of a resume where the person didn't capitalize "i" when talking about themselves. Very lol
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Also handwritten resumes are making a comeback. It adds a personal touch that can get lost in our digital age.
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Also handwritten resumes are making a comeback. It adds a personal touch that can get lost in our digital age.
Make sure to use a page torn out of a spiral notebook.
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video resume where the person doing the review gets to keep the device. Resume with a bribe. Ppl enjoy that.
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my resume is on cucumber scented paper. it was the best $25 ive ever spent.
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What a waste. A lot of American Psycho persona in Tonya, folks!
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stop following me around you obsessive jerk
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video resume where the person doing the review gets to keep the device. Resume with a bribe. Ppl enjoy that.
I could send one of these to Wacks this afternoon and be a dentist tomorrow. Especially if I let him pick Ipad or Samsung.
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stop following me around you obsessive jerk
:D
video resume where the person doing the review gets to keep the device. Resume with a bribe. Ppl enjoy that.
I could send one of these to Wacks this afternoon and be a dentist tomorrow. Especially if I let him pick Ipad or Samsung.
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What a waste. A lot of American Psycho persona in Tonya, folks!
Talk me through your thought process here
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What a waste. A lot of American Psycho persona in Tonya, folks!
Talk me through your thought process here
Do you remember the business card scene?
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Yes, absolutely
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Yes, absolutely
Tonya does that with his resume. He's practically the same person.
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If you want to call btk bozo the clown or something I would understand, but he's def not Patrick Bateman
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If you want to call btk bozo the clown or something I would understand, but he's def not Patrick Bateman
Well I wasn't talking about appearances. I was talking about his tendencies, but yeah, bozo the clown is probably more accurate.
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oh man please stop calling me a clown
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HEY ASSHOLES STOP TALKING ABOUT CLOWNS :angry:
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:lol:
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elle woods has a scented resume in legally blonde
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Edit:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37090.0
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Jesus, as I wrote my resume last night, it occured to me I've never really HAD a real resume. When I graduated in 99 I had the standard graduate resume, had 8 interviews and 5 offers to choose from. Then I got a call in 2003 asking if I wanted a job, so I updated my resume then as a formality. Now I've had a good gig and been complacent and not kept up, and I'm terrible at talking about myself and don't really "keep score". :'bye cruel world:
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I love the challenge of trying to make everything sound exciting on your resume.
In college I wrote a silly article in some magazine that gets dropped off at frat/sor houses then promptly thrown away. I have this on my resume as "Authored an article that was distributed to over 75 universities nationwide"
My friend is an Enginerd who used to do Walmart builds and retrofits, when he was looking for a new job he never mentioned "Walmart" but played up his experience in "retail/restaurant/automotive/warehouse/etc etc" design.
---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
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I love the challenge of trying to make everything sound exciting on your resume.
In college I wrote a silly article in some magazine that gets dropped off at frat/sor houses then promptly thrown away. I have this on my resume as "Authored an article that was distributed to over 75 universities nationwide"
My friend is an Enginerd who used to do Walmart builds and retrofits, when he was looking for a new job he never mentioned "Walmart" but played up his experience in "retail/restaurant/automotive/warehouse/etc etc" design.
---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
That's my issue, I've been in one job 13 years, so it's kind of hard for me to show growth over that time. I'm almost 40, so I can't rely on my accomplishments much from my first job and college. I've taken it from essentially nothing when I was hired to over $10mil/yr largely on my back. I've been told many times I have been the majority of the company's success, especially in light of withering markets in our other divisions. But the market here limits much growth for us beyond that, and some other internal factors out of my control restrict it as well.
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I still have university wrestling champion on mine and it gets brought up a lot. :lol:
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I would probably drop the lawn mowing business from when you were a teenager.
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I would probably drop the lawn mowing business from when you were a teenager.
:cry:
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I would probably drop the lawn mowing business from when you were a teenager.
i mean, it shows he has a sense of humor, but that's about all that i would get out of it had i interviewed him
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---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
Similarly, I had really good ACT/SAT scores that I kept on my resume up through getting the job I currently have. I begrudgingly took them off my resume when applying for the job I'm starting in a week, but I'm not sure if it was a good move or not.
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---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
Similarly, I had really good ACT/SAT scores that I kept on my resume up through getting the job I currently have. I begrudgingly took them off my resume when applying for the job I'm starting in a week, but I'm not sure if it was a good move or not.
thats a thing? I mean, maybe if it was a 36 but...
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---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
Similarly, I had really good ACT/SAT scores that I kept on my resume up through getting the job I currently have. I begrudgingly took them off my resume when applying for the job I'm starting in a week, but I'm not sure if it was a good move or not.
thats a thing? I mean, maybe if it was a 36 but...
:dunno: it came across positively in interviews. Although maybe it prevented other interviews from happening... I'll never know
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---Serious Question regarding resumes-----
I owned and operated a lawn mowing business in high school that mowed about 10 yards a week and had a couple of friends that would help me.
I have this listed as a bullet point in my other experience section "Owned and operated a lawn mowing business while in high school with 4 employees".
At what age do I need to remove this? It was an awesome add when I was fresh out of college and I didn't have much experience and I still get asked about it in every interview...but now I'm in my late 20's and that was 10 years ago.
I feel like it needs to go soon or people will think "Wow, look at this 40 year old who still lists stuff from high school on his resume".
Similarly, I had really good ACT/SAT scores that I kept on my resume up through getting the job I currently have. I begrudgingly took them off my resume when applying for the job I'm starting in a week, but I'm not sure if it was a good move or not.
thats a thing? I mean, maybe if it was a 36 but...
:dunno: it came across positively in interviews. Although maybe it prevented other interviews from happening... I'll never know
interesting. I had a GPA on my college graduate resume since it was high, but never thought entrance exams were relevant in a post-graduate resumer
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I am convinced half of marketing is failing. I am just not certain which half it is.
Seems relevant?
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Some bull crap in a paragraph about why I am in the job market.
Then,
I. Failing
a. I am super good at it
i. 2008-2010: failed repeatedly at job A
ii. 2010-present: still failing a bunch
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If you have been at the same company but moved up in position, even if you are really doing the same job just a title promotion, then you can list those separately to show progression.
If you haven't had any job title change, then list all of those accomplishments in the paragraph section.
Also, ACT/SAT scores :confused: :confused: Did you also list your HS debate record?
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If you have been at the same company but moved up in position, even if you are really doing the same job just a title promotion, then you can list those separately to show progression.
If you haven't had any job title change, then list all of those accomplishments in the paragraph section.
Also, ACT/SAT scores :confused: :confused: Did you also list your HS debate record?
I didn't debate, I ain't no nerd :dubious: Just thought 790 math would look good to people hiring engineers. It isn't on there anymore anyway
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790 math was like the easiest class I took tbh
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so what do you cats think a company car is worth in equivalent salary?
Depends on how much you'd be driving, what you're driving now, etc. Maybe $15k? I'd prefer salary because it's less likely to be taken away in the future.
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always, ALWAYS, take the mileage v. the car if given the oppy. that's like non-dumbass rule numero uno.
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When I took the office job, they made a one time payment of $8,000 before tax to allow for losing the car.
At $0.50/ mile and 50,000 miles per year, yes, SD is correct again. (I wonder if being right ever gets old for him?)
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I'd rather not have one.
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When I took the office job, they made a one time payment of $8,000 before tax to allow for losing the car.
At $0.50/ mile and 50,000 miles per year, yes, SD is correct again. (I wonder if being right ever gets old for him?)
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I'd have to do the math. I'm expecting one major trip per month, to the western MO, Kansas area. So say that trip is 600 miles total. Say in the course of business I put on another 40 miles a week in local biz travel. So monthly I'd be at 800 miles x $.54 = $432. I mean, that wouldn't even cover the payment on a nice vehicle, let alone gas and maintenance.
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When I took the office job, they made a one time payment of $8,000 before tax to allow for losing the car.
At $0.50/ mile and 50,000 miles per year, yes, SD is correct again. (I wonder if being right ever gets old for him?)
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I'd have to do the math. I'm expecting one major trip per month, to the western MO, Kansas area. So say that trip is 600 miles total. Say in the course of business I put on another 40 miles a week in local biz travel. So monthly I'd be at 800 miles x $.54 = $432. I mean, that wouldn't even cover the payment on a nice vehicle, let alone gas and maintenance.
The difference is that you would actually own the nice vehicle. You can drive it for personal use, and then sell it.
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no surprise slobber is slobbering over SD again
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When I took the office job, they made a one time payment of $8,000 before tax to allow for losing the car.
At $0.50/ mile and 50,000 miles per year, yes, SD is correct again. (I wonder if being right ever gets old for him?)
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I'd have to do the math. I'm expecting one major trip per month, to the western MO, Kansas area. So say that trip is 600 miles total. Say in the course of business I put on another 40 miles a week in local biz travel. So monthly I'd be at 800 miles x $.54 = $432. I mean, that wouldn't even cover the payment on a nice vehicle, let alone gas and maintenance.
The difference is that you would actually own the nice vehicle. You can drive it for personal use, and then sell it.
Well, I have a nice vehicle now I can use for personal use, and pay no tags, taxes, insurance, maintenance, gas.
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Well, I have a nice vehicle now I can use for personal use, and pay no tags, taxes, maintenance, gas.
that's probably worth about 3-5k/year. it sounds like you wouldn't drive enough to make mileage on a personal car pay off for you. if you drove more you could make some real money on the mileage. but since you don't the company car might work out to your advantage.
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yeah, that's an incredibly low amount of mileage for a gig that even gets a car. like two round trips between omaha and kc. in most normal situations the mileage is a no brainer.
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This is one of the more frustrating series of posts I've seen on here in a while.
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Well, I have a nice vehicle now I can use for personal use, and pay no tags, taxes, maintenance, gas.
that's probably worth about 3-5k/year. it sounds like you wouldn't drive enough to make mileage on a personal car pay off for you. if you drove more you could make some real money on the mileage. but since you don't the company car might work out to your advantage.
that's my fear. I figure that a decent late model vehicle cost is probably $1,500-2000/mo all-in for payment, gas, tags, insurance, and maintenance. I need something I can haul 2 kids in car seats in.
I'm a little surprised. They know I have a company car now that allows personal use, and we discussed at the interview that they have another PM who has a company leased vehicle (though he travels a lot) and others had an allowance arrangement. I wonder if this is something they left out for negotiation purposes.
That's about right if you are buying a $100,000 vehicle.
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I figure that a decent late model vehicle cost is probably $1,500-2000/mo all-in for payment, gas, tags, insurance, and maintenance.
if you want a car that expensive, and the car they give you would be that expensive, then definitely take the company car. to make mileage pay you need a cheap car.
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Or to drive a lot
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Your est. gas cost per month seems ridiculously high. That's at least six full tanks of gas, or about 2,500 miles.
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Gas is super cheap, check your math towniemocat
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Your est. gas cost per month seems ridiculously high. That's at least six full tanks of gas, or about 2,500 miles.
that's based on my current usage, so yes, that should go down. But for comparison sake I left it.
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Gas wont be cheap forever. Regardless, i cant believe one is even in position to negotiate a company auto that's this incapable of making such an easily analyzed decision without consultation.
And we make fun of GPC for asking where to find a good mechanic, or which channel the game is on.
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gE is an amazing resource for things eff head.
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gE is an amazing resource for things eff head.
Go back to pretending like you're important eff head. Your bbs is dying.
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_______ is mean
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_______ is mean
I don't like him/her. Not one bit.
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seems sorta mean?
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i like the anger
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Don't like what he's saying, but the [redacted] has ZEAL. Mods plz change his name to TRUMP.
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i like the anger
Yes. A fine break from the monotany.
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I liked the use of we, two posts in.
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Mods, pls change _____ to anti-dobber. TIA.
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160305%2F64f248bd9ce55b9f7aa36b41e372c888.jpg&hash=5508f3903dcdb126454b1a894dc6948364b3060d)
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Mods, pls change _____ to better-than-dobber. TIA.
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i like being able to opine on other peoples' decisions and problems.
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Mods, pls change _____ to better-than-dobber. TIA.
That's cold.
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Yeah, I think Anti-dobber is better
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Yeah, I think Anti-dobber is better
That is because you don't hate me live 7 does.
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i like being able to opine on other peoples' decisions and problems.
It's dreamy
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i like being able to opine on other peoples' decisions and problems.
It's dreamy
Like a great yard orgy on an early March Saturday morning.
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_______ is mean
I don't like him/her. Not one bit.
reminds me of kim
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Kim was very good at what he did, though.
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This son of a bitch said my website was dying guys
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And you're disputing that :lol:
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I guess it's prison rules around here now?
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I haven't seen pi in so long, I don't even know what it looks like. Was that pi?
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______ is in my twitter feed. Can't decide who changed their name.
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______ is in my twitter feed. Can't decide who changed their name.
Past tweets should help
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I guess it's prison rules around here now?
prison rules is my forte.
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Question for gE: first job in a professional setting, just there for the training and experience it will add to my resume, how long is considered appropriate to stay on before I parlay this into a better opportunity?
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Question for gE: first job in a professional setting, just there for the training and experience it will add to my resume, how long is considered appropriate to stay on before I parlay this into a better opportunity?
kinda depends on the current role (responsibility, relationship to coworkers, training or other investment in you, etc.), but really it's a free for all. Your company has no loyalty to you.
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Entry level position. Was matched up with this place through a recruitment service. There will be training, but I can't imagine it will be too in-depth, sounds like the work is relatively simple. Decent pay, but non-competitive benefits, and no room to move up. If I peaced out after 8-12 months, would I invite universal scorn and disdain from this company and prospective employers?
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No, they probably expect it
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That's what I figured, but wanted to make sure it was rooted in some sort of reality.
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8-12 months should be fine almost anywhere, especially for an entry level job.
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:thumbsup:
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Thanks for all the help on my resume michigancat/wacky. Despite getting a nice offer from the new company, the benefits were a challenge and I elected to leverage a nice bump and some ownership at current company. :cheers:
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8-12 months should be fine almost anywhere, especially for an entry level job.
I honestly think 6 months is fine and don't at at feel like you need to stay a full year. Just state in future interviews that you realized it wasn't the right position for you a few months after you took the job and now you know better and are looking for a better fit.
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8-12 months should be fine almost anywhere, especially for an entry level job.
I honestly think 6 months is fine and don't at at feel like you need to stay a full year. Just state in future interviews that you realized it wasn't the right position for you a few months after you took the job and now you know better and are looking for a better fit.
Agreed, if you can get another job, that's really all that matters. A history of 6 month stints might be a problem, but one shouldn't.
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A history of 6 month stints might be a problem, but one shouldn't.
i agree with this. (even extending to 1-2 years). so if you do it now, it limits your ability to do the same in the future, but other than that, no worries.
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So I have hesitated many times whether I should post in here or not. I don't know any of you fools, I'm probably older than half of you by about a decade, and there's no reason for anyone here to actually help me, BUT...
I'm pretty much grasping at straws right now. If anyone can SERIOUSLY help me with some resume' polishing and whatnot, I would be a very appreciative Coal Grabb'r.
If anyone has some time, and serious ability to help, please PM me. I can give more details that I don't want to go posting for anyone to see.
TIA.
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Michigancat seems to be the local expert
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So I have hesitated many times whether I should post in here or not. I don't know any of you fools, I'm probably older than half of you by about a decade, and there's no reason for anyone here to actually help me, BUT...
I'm pretty much grasping at straws right now. If anyone can SERIOUSLY help me with some resume' polishing and whatnot, I would be a very appreciative Coal Grabb'r.
If anyone has some time, and serious ability to help, please PM me. I can give more details that I don't want to go posting for anyone to see.
TIA.
I am not an expert but I like to help
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So I have hesitated many times whether I should post in here or not. I don't know any of you fools, I'm probably older than half of you by about a decade, and there's no reason for anyone here to actually help me, BUT...
I'm pretty much grasping at straws right now. If anyone can SERIOUSLY help me with some resume' polishing and whatnot, I would be a very appreciative Coal Grabb'r.
If anyone has some time, and serious ability to help, please PM me. I can give more details that I don't want to go posting for anyone to see.
TIA.
I would be glad to help. I am in management, so I see lots of resumes and letters of application. I am no expert at anything, but I would give you whatever assistance I can.
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15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:
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:thumbs:
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15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:
10% on the new salary or 25% on the old salary?
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That's awesome bud! :thumbs:
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15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:
10% on the new salary or 25% on the old salary?
I don't know!
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:kstategrad:
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that's awesome!
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Where were you living that KC is +10%????
GREAT JOB!!
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I'm working on possibly parting ways unbeknownst to my current employer.. kinda stressful because its a very small office only three of us here total.. difficult to come up with reasons to take off for interviews
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do you not get vacation?
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Lunches are about to be your new best friend, yla.
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Where were you living that KC is +10%????
GREAT JOB!!
T-town is super super cheap (for a reason)
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15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:
congrats, goodbuddy!
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do you not get vacation?
Yeah.. but its a super small office and if I keep taking off a Thursday here and Tuesday there it gets odd.. Last week I took off after lunch on Thursday to "pick someone up from the KC airport."
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when i was going through the process i was taking off half days (moving/golfing/spring cleaning/doctor/need to burn time before losing it/etc)
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15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:
fantastic
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15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:
Very nice. I was all excited about my 3% bump. I wouldn't know what to do with 25%!
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15% raise + 10% cost of living adjustment for moving to kc. Today is a good day friends :Chirp:
Very nice. I was all excited about my 3% bump. I wouldn't know what to do with 25%!
SPEND IT, DUH.
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Well, DUH!
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don't spend it, liblib.
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Guy on phone just now: I've got your resume for this job you applied to. Would you be willing to train in India for 30 days?
Me: Uhhhhhhhhh........sure?
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Guy on phone just now: I've got your resume for this job you applied to. Would you be willing to train in India for 30 days?
Me: Uhhhhhhhhh........sure?
Should have said, "Where exactly in India?"
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Guy on phone just now: I've got your resume for this job you applied to. Would you be willing to train in India for 30 days?
Me: Uhhhhhhhhh........sure?
Should have said, "Where exactly in India?"
Should have said, "Sure! I love Indianapolis!"
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is there a bigger upgrade in living location than going from topeka to KC? i honestly dont think there is
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is there a bigger upgrade in living location than going from topeka to KC? i honestly dont think there is
How about Garden City to KC?
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is there a bigger upgrade in living location than going from topeka to KC? i honestly dont think there is
How about Garden City to KC?
i mean its at least open for debate, maybe coffeyville to KC could be the only viable option here tho
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living anywhere in KS to KCMO would be the biggest upgrade. i mean, hayseed redneck to city, no brainer.
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How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
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Let me know if you guys hear of any senior marketing openings. I think Ms. Wacky is about to snap on her manager and has had enough. Sucks too, because what a cool product.
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How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
M.B.A
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Let me know if you guys hear of any senior marketing openings. I think Ms. Wacky is about to snap on her manager and has had enough. Sucks too, because what a cool product.
Bummer. Maybe she should confront. I've done it. Worked wonderfully a couple of times. Managers have to learn to adapt styles. Sometimes they need prompting.
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She's done it. She even talked to HR. Her manager pretty much said that there's going to be changes soon and the company might be phasing out her position. They did the same thing to one of my buddies in my wedding. She called me today really upset. It's frustrating, because now i'm finally happy and she's where i'm at last summer.
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How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
be one, without the title
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How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
M.B.A
Got one.
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Doctorate
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How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
be one, without the title
Well, okay. As a PM there are a lot of similarities, and dissimilarities too. But these people don't know me, my work, etc. I figure it's probably pretty hard to get your first mgmt gig at a new firm in a new industry? Hope I'm wrong.
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Every manager had to start out as not a manager to begin with, so there ya go. Unless it's like your dads company or something and he's just mushing your face.
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How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
be one, without the title
yeah
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How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
M.B.A
Got one.
Then wtf are you worried bout? Unless it's one of wacky' old schools.
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How in the hell do I convince someone that I'm fit to be a manager if I've never managed anyone directly before, especially in an industry I know nothing about?
M.B.A
Got one.
Then wtf are you worried bout? Unless it's one of wacky' old schools.
Speaking of.... I got this today. Lol. Hell no!
Hi Wacky, I hope you are doing well. This is a bit of a shot in the dark but I am a Chicago-based recruiter specializing in the proprietary higher education space and am writing to see if you or someone you know might be interested in exploring a new opportunity. My client is a medium-sized, East Coast-based, growing proprietary school school group with a sterling reputation in the industry and is looking for a Master Admissions Representative. The position is based in Buffalo, NY and relocation expenses will be covered for the right candidate. Starting salary is $60-70k with a certain degree of flexibility based on experience and overall fit. Do you by chance have an interest in learning more? Feel free to let me know either way and thank you for your time and consideration. Thanks! Curtis
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eff off curtis
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Recruiting recruiters has got to be a shitty job.
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Yeah
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That guys email to you was wide right
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phone interviews.. whats everyones thoughts on those?. I get for the company that weeds out some people but you would think that the resume alone would do that
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phone interviews.. whats everyones thoughts on those?. I get for the company that weeds out some people but you would think that the resume alone would do that
I do them all day. What do you need to know? I can tell a lot from a phone interview. Cost efficient too. :thumbs:
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Yeah, unless you're mega-dumb, seems like a good thing for all involved
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phone interviews.. whats everyones thoughts on those?. I get for the company that weeds out some people but you would think that the resume alone would do that
I do them all day. What do you need to know? I can tell a lot from a phone interview. Cost efficient too. :thumbs:
my only problem with this is the phone interview followed by the face to face interview with a different person answering almost the same exact questions
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Very true. They like to throw you through the ringer. I had 5 interviews for this job. IMO, the more interviews, the legitimacy of the position shines to me. It means it's a good company, who plans carefully, and makes smart decisions. Obviously the face-to-face is the most important. But the phone interview sets the stage. I report to my regional director and she expects I should know your life story thoroughly. The face to face interview is basically kicking the tires. See how you are in front of ppl.
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I'm going to start my own company. If anyone wants a job just let me know.
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I'm going to start my own company. If anyone wants a job just let me know.
What is your interview process?
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I'm going to start my own company. If anyone wants a job just let me know.
what about a email interview followed by an instant messenger interview followed by a phone interview followed by a Skype interview followed by a face to face interview?
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Every manager had to start out as not a manager to begin with, so there ya go. Unless it's like your dads company or something and he's just mushing your face.
I understand that. I would assume (correct me if I'm wrong) it's easier to be promoted within a company to a management position. Those promoting you know and trust you, you know and have the respect of your current peers and other colleagues, and you know the industry, business, and culture of the company in general. Conversely, I would assume getting your first management job at some other company, that doesn't know you from Adam, knows you don't know crap about their industry, and everything else, would be much more difficult. It actually makes me question the shittiness of the job if they would consider hiring someone like me in this circumstance.
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Nevermind guys, I decided not to start a company because it seems like a lot of work. I didn't realize I would have to come up with an interview process.
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Nevermind guys, I decided not to start a company because it seems like a lot of work. I didn't realize I would have to come up with an interview process.
it's a shitload of work
imagine starting an llc and working your tail to the bone and then one day getting a certified letter from a to be unnamed former Texas Tech football player's attorney. it's like, did Trump put up with this? did Steve Jobs?
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Every manager had to start out as not a manager to begin with, so there ya go. Unless it's like your dads company or something and he's just mushing your face.
I understand that. I would assume (correct me if I'm wrong) it's easier to be promoted within a company to a management position. Those promoting you know and trust you, you know and have the respect of your current peers and other colleagues, and you know the industry, business, and culture of the company in general. Conversely, I would assume getting your first management job at some other company, that doesn't know you from Adam, knows you don't know crap about their industry, and everything else, would be much more difficult. It actually makes me question the shittiness of the job if they would consider hiring someone like me in this circumstance.
why is this particular management job so important? Maybe shoot for management in an industry you're qualified to work in.
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sorry some loser got the job and not you, emo
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Every manager had to start out as not a manager to begin with, so there ya go. Unless it's like your dads company or something and he's just mushing your face.
I understand that. I would assume (correct me if I'm wrong) it's easier to be promoted within a company to a management position. Those promoting you know and trust you, you know and have the respect of your current peers and other colleagues, and you know the industry, business, and culture of the company in general. Conversely, I would assume getting your first management job at some other company, that doesn't know you from Adam, knows you don't know crap about their industry, and everything else, would be much more difficult. It actually makes me question the shittiness of the job if they would consider hiring someone like me in this circumstance.
why is this particular management job so important? Maybe shoot for management in an industry you're qualified to work in.
What makes you think it's important? My questions are generally applicable, not just for this position. Frankly, I don't like the industry I'm in.
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Interview well and they will pick you
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I interviewed with this company about a year ago. It was an all day interview. Towards the end I said something like "I never imagined in all my years I could be working in the ******* ******** business." I think that one comment mumped me. Which was fine, I didn't really want that job anyway. It's funny to me that they are now considering me for a job with considerably more responsibility. I only need to go 8 hours without saying something stupid. This is going to be a challenge.
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Every manager had to start out as not a manager to begin with, so there ya go. Unless it's like your dads company or something and he's just mushing your face.
I understand that. I would assume (correct me if I'm wrong) it's easier to be promoted within a company to a management position. Those promoting you know and trust you, you know and have the respect of your current peers and other colleagues, and you know the industry, business, and culture of the company in general. Conversely, I would assume getting your first management job at some other company, that doesn't know you from Adam, knows you don't know crap about their industry, and everything else, would be much more difficult. It actually makes me question the shittiness of the job if they would consider hiring someone like me in this circumstance.
why is this particular management job so important? Maybe shoot for management in an industry you're qualified to work in.
What makes you think it's important? My questions are generally applicable, not just for this position. Frankly, I don't like the industry I'm in.
the fact that you're asking about it? :dunno:
My advice is applicable to general situations. But do what you want or whatever.
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I had a phone interview once. I was pretty underqualified for the position. I didn't get it.
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The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
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The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
Please elaborate
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The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
Please elaborate
It likely shows that you are meeting with the wrong people, or they are very indecisive. 2, maybe 3, interviews is reasonable, but 5 wastes a lot of people's time.
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The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
I agree. Just shows lots of layers of redundancy
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Redundancy can be essential though to very risk averse industries.
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I had one-on-one interviews with 5 people in 5 departments for one job and I thought it was a bit much. But then I traveled to Asia with 4 of them a couple months later and it made a lot of sense. The one I wasn't traveling with was my boss.
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It's never even been redundant in my experience. Everyone evaluates something different.
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The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
Please elaborate
It likely shows that you are meeting with the wrong people, or they are very indecisive. 2, maybe 3, interviews is reasonable, but 5 wastes a lot of people's time.
ok I agree. I think 3 is the perfect number.
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Redundancy can be essential though to very risk averse industries.
You can have multiple people interview back to back in one visit. Making someone come back multiple times is the problem IMO.
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You got to risk it to get the biscuit, at least that's what I always say
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The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
Please elaborate
It likely shows that you are meeting with the wrong people, or they are very indecisive. 2, maybe 3, interviews is reasonable, but 5 wastes a lot of people's time.
my colleague, HR director, boss, CEO, and COO. I travel with them all like Mich does.
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Did they bring you in 5 separate times? Or did you talk to 3 one time and 2 the next? I would view the first option as extremely disrespectful.
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i have never had multiple rounds of a job interview. in fact, the two jobs ive had have offered me the job on the spot. maybe i am a stud?
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Did they bring you in 5 separate times? Or did you talk to 3 one time and 2 the next? I would view the first option as extremely disrespectful.
I had a few phone and skype interviews but was only on site once (when I met all 5 people in person). They had to fly me in so it made a lot of sense.
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Nobody makes a candidate come in more than twice. That's not an issue.
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i have never had multiple rounds of a job interview. in fact, the two jobs ive had have offered me the job on the spot. maybe i am a stud?
The last time my employment situation changed, the OPS director at the time sent me a text message and asked if I wanted to come work for him. I did. Is that an interview?
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Nobody makes a candidate come in more than twice. That's not an issue.
Even twice doesn't make sense for on site. If you want to hit them with multiple phone rounds so be it.
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Did they bring you in 5 separate times? Or did you talk to 3 one time and 2 the next? I would view the first option as extremely disrespectful.
2 phone interview and then I came in 3 separate times.
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i have never had multiple rounds of a job interview. in fact, the two jobs ive had have offered me the job on the spot. maybe i am a stud?
The last time my employment situation changed, the OPS director at the time sent me a text message and asked if I wanted to come work for him. I did. Is that an interview?
Phone interview
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They travel a lot, so it was hard to have them all in the office at the same time.
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I obviously don't think you need 5 interviews tho. 3 is just fine.
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The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
I agree. Just shows lots of layers of redundancy
When I interviewed fifteen years ago for the management position I am accepted and am still with, I had to go through two interviews. In the same time period I interviewed with another organization as well. With that group, and all in the same day, I interviewed with three different teams within the organization. On the way home I was called and offered an interview with the board of directors the following week. They were flying me out there, so I thought that might be a good opportunity. However, before that, I was offered my current position. So I declined the final interview.
I don't mind interviewing, and while I considered myself ready for the position I had no previous management experience.
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Nobody makes a candidate come in more than twice. That's not an issue.
Even twice doesn't make sense for on site. If you want to hit them with multiple phone rounds so be it.
If you're in for a second time, you're their guy. They just want each side to get a final look before deciding. If I know they're that serious, I'd love the opportunity to be more careful about evaluating the workplace than I was when I was there for my interview.
There are also situations in which it makes more sense not to do things on site for every candidate that comes in for one interview. Like take a tour or speak with many potential coworkers face to face. If there are six interviewees, and one tour/meet and greet lasts 90 minutes, you save a lot of time by only doing that for the candidate you want to offer.
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Nobody makes a candidate come in more than twice. That's not an issue.
At my last job I had to come in three times. The third was to meet one specific person that was unexpectedly absent from interview #2. Anyway, it was annoying as eff, but I would do it again in a heartbeat to go back to that company the way it was in 2006.
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I hate interviewing. Any company that would try to make me do 5 interviews can go eff themselves.
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I hate interviewing. Any company that would try to make me do 5 interviews can go eff themselves.
I hate it too, but it was totally worth it. I've been hired on the spot and I hated everyone of those jobs.
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I hate interviewing. Any company that would try to make me do 5 interviews can go eff themselves.
I hate it too, but it was totally worth it. I've been hired on the spot and I hated everyone of those jobs.
The knife selling thing, huh?
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I hate interviewing. Any company that would try to make me do 5 interviews can go eff themselves.
i agree.
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I hate interviewing. Any company that would try to make me do 5 interviews can go eff themselves.
I hate it too, but it was totally worth it. I've been hired on the spot and I hated everyone of those jobs.
The knife selling thing, huh?
For profit education, so yeah.
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I'm very good at interviews when I'm moderately qualified for the job I'm interviewing for
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Is that an acquired skill?
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Is that an acquired skill?
Of course, you definitely get better the more you do.
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I feel pretty good about interviewing too, mich.
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I've received a few messages via LinkedIn from competitors wanting to "chat"/"connect" lately. I know it doesn't hurt to listen to what they have to say, but i'm in no position to want to jump ship. Pro tips on what to say to these ppl?
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I've received a few messages via LinkedIn from competitors wanting to "chat"/"connect" lately. I know it doesn't hurt to listen to what they have to say, but i'm in no position to want to jump ship. Pro tips on what to say to these ppl?
Increasing your network and contacts within your field (and out, as well) can be a benefit. I have been asked situation advice, and that just increases my contribution among same-position peers. Just welcome the conversation, let them know where you stand with your current position satisfaction, and add some positive professional contacts to your base.
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:thumbs: Good stuff, Canary. That's what i'm going to do.
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Good luck taking my advice...
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One of the guys wants to get a group of the same profession together and network for ideas/suggestions. I'm obviously a bit weary of it, but it sounds like a great idea.
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I've received a few messages via LinkedIn from competitors wanting to "chat"/"connect" lately. I know it doesn't hurt to listen to what they have to say, but i'm in no position to want to jump ship. Pro tips on what to say to these ppl?
Are these people doing the same job as you or recruiters trying to recruit you? (You are a recruiter, but you don't recruit recruiters, right?)
Anyways, I always have a bunch of recruiters trying to connect with me on LinkedIn and I am not sure whether to accept them or not.
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I've received a few messages via LinkedIn from competitors wanting to "chat"/"connect" lately. I know it doesn't hurt to listen to what they have to say, but i'm in no position to want to jump ship. Pro tips on what to say to these ppl?
Are these people doing the same job as you or recruiters trying to recruit you? (You are a recruiter, but you don't recruit recruiters, right?)
Anyways, I always have a bunch of recruiters trying to connect with me on LinkedIn and I am not sure whether to accept them or not.
I typically don't, but most of them are people looking for IT project managers, and don't seem to be able to read my profile and discern I'm not an IT PM. It's laughable.
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in my field if you accept all of these requests from recruiters, they will badger you to go to lunch or stop by your office to introduce themselves until you agree to, which is a big pita for me, I don't got time for that stuff telling you about my job and background for an hour. when you're ready to look for a different job, these people will still be there and they won't care that you gave them the cold shoulder because they'll still want your commission.
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Yeah, this guy seems to have an identical situation as mine, but for one of our main competitors. "Director of doctor relations".
Wacky, I am working on putting together a group of doctor recruiters where we can share ideas and help one another. Would you be interested? My number is .... and my email is n....
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"hey wacky, i'm here to steal your clients/ideas...interested?"
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That's what I was thinking, M^2. :cheers:
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Direct competition can get mumped. I mean, if you are setting records for docs recruited, you don't need his losery advice anyway.
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Direct competition can get mumped. I mean, if you are setting records for docs recruited, you don't need his losery advice anyway.
Also what I was thinking. But i'm also not naive enough to think I hit a hot streak and maybe I might need some good tips for down the road, but not from him.
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tell him he can work for you someday if he plays his cards right
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:thumbs:
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Legally, meeting with your competition to talk strategy would be a bad idea.
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Here are my thoughts. Head hunters are generally very trustworthy human beings so what do u have to lose? I say go for it.
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Here are my thoughts. Head hunters are generally very trustworthy human beings so what do u have to lose? I say go for it.
I agree. The livelihood of a head hunter depends on that.
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I would love to know what 'Carnes does. He's so damn ethically sound.
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I bet Kim Carnes does something really boring tho. MY top guesses and you guys can play too!
1. Engineer
2. Banker
3. Accountant
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I bet Kim Carnes does something really boring tho. MY top guesses and you guys can play too!
1. Engineer
2. Banker
3. Accountant
What is wrong with people who do those professions??? :don'tcare:
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Nothing, he's just very judgmental of others. Half the ppl on here are lawyers or engineers.
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What if he's a dentist :Wha:
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What if he's a dentist :Wha:
Probably not good enough. :D Only dental school around here anyways is UMKC, Creighton, and Oklahoma.
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He sells term life insurance I'm sure of it.
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I would never be a dentist. Messing around in people's mouths all day? That's disgusting.
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physicist
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Good answer, good answer
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What's the biggest percentage swing you've managed to achieve with a counter offer?
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surely he's a headhunter.
or shift manager at BK.
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had a phone interview today.. I think it went well.. I have no clue, I hate phone interviews
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I bet Kim Carnes does something really boring tho. MY top guesses and you guys can play too!
1. Engineer
2. Banker
3. Accountant
I would call 2 of those boring as crap, the other very interesting and fun IMO
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What's the biggest percentage swing you've managed to achieve with a counter offer?
Thanks for the help folks. Top notch.
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I bet Kim Carnes does something really boring tho. MY top guesses and you guys can play too!
1. Engineer
2. Banker
3. Accountant
I would call 2 of those boring as crap, the other very interesting and fun IMO
A banker and an engineer are in a room discussing spreadsheets......That's not the beginning of a joke, that's a story about me & my sister. :lol:
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A banker and an engineer are in a room discussing spreadsheets......That's not the beginning of a joke, that's a story about me & my sister. :lol:
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Now that made me laugh.
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"banker" is a broad term, imo.
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"banker" is a broad term, imo.
Anyone who works at a bank could be considered a banker, I guess.
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Chris in IT: banker
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A lot of bankers outing themselves in this thread. SMDH.
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Chris in IT: banker
accurate.
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What happens when you breed an engineer with an accountant? You get adorable little Baby Emo. Byproducts are heat, CO2, and water vapor.
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Some accountants could even be bankers
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I wouldn't mind banker hours but that would be so boring :Yuck:
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Have you ever thought about jobs that don't make $? Like, I love playing poker, but what does the casino gain from it? I'm taking other losers $. Cupcake and donut shops in today's ago = Not making $. Barber shop. Are you rough ridin' kidding me??!!! I think about this stuff all the time. How do independent coffee shops make it? When i'm at a new bar/restaurant, I know within two seconds if they're going to make it. For instance, whatever goes into that space that was americas pub in westport = bankruptcy. #science
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Cupcake donut barbershops do not equal casino customer. I thought you were about to say something interesting but then you transitioned it to unintelligible.
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Don't you ante or something similar in poker?
The rest I have no idea what you're trying to say
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Don't you ante or something similar in poker?
The rest I have no idea what you're trying to say
You can tip the dealer, but that's it. The other things I was saying, yeah you can make "$", but just enough to keep the lights on and pay the bills.
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Cupcake donut barbershops do not equal casino customer. I thought you were about to say something interesting but then you transitioned it to unintelligible.
I'm talking about a specific game at a casino here.
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Are you sure they aren't taking a percentage of the pot?
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Ever heard of a rake wacky? I'd almost guarantee that your casino has one
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Hmmm....
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.shutterstock.com%2Fz%2Fstock-vector-a-thinking-emoji-emoticon-smiley-face-character-looking-interested-with-hand-on-chin-333195842.jpg&hash=28c525492cdbdf8a8bd0a410afa7d85b88641d7a)
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Ever heard of a rake wacky? I'd almost guarantee that your casino has one
I looked this up, 8 man. I'm sure they're doing it somehow, but it never shows in my winnings. I'm so confused.
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I don't play poker at casinos, but cas does and he says the house takes a bit of each pot, wacky.
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Interesting. I guess I've never noticed it. Like, ever. I think it's dumb when ppl tip the dealer too. Like he had anything to do with it.
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Have you ever thought about jobs that don't make $? Like, I love playing poker, but what does the casino gain from it? I'm taking other losers $. Cupcake and donut shops in today's ago = Not making $. Barber shop. Are you rough ridin' kidding me??!!! I think about this stuff all the time. How do independent coffee shops make it? When i'm at a new bar/restaurant, I know within two seconds if they're going to make it. For instance, whatever goes into that space that was americas pub in westport = bankruptcy. #science
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It's pretty easy, M^2. You know what place I go to in westport when Beer Kitchen is too busy? I go down the street to dempsey's. There's never anyone in there. I'll bump this thread in 6 months.
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Plus, only 17% of restaurants/bars make profit, so it's not rocket science anyways.
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What happens when you breed an engineer with an accountant?
I know a couple of these.
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Poor kids :frown:
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Poor kids :frown:
No he's actually quite well off thank you. #upperclassbaby #guccidiaperbag #picksnoseforrealgold #probablywillbeantisocialtho
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What's the biggest percentage swing you've managed to achieve with a counter offer?
Thanks for the help folks. Top notch.
15%
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What's the biggest percentage swing you've managed to achieve with a counter offer?
not really what you're looking for, but I managed to swing 9% of the company.
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Are you talking about within your company? Or from job to job.
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Job to job.
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Radio to selling fake degrees was like a 50% raise. This job was like a 15-25% raise based on my bonus structure, which i'm hitting.
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Wacky, what I'm asking is, when you're interviewing with another firm and they offer x, and you counter offer y, and you ultimately agree on z, what is the percentage represented by (z-x)/x. Got it?
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Whoops. :lol: Got it! :thumbs:
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Wacky, what I'm asking is, when you're interviewing with another firm and they offer x, and you counter offer y, and you ultimately agree on z, what is the percentage represented by (z-x)/x. Got it?
It's got to be a function of y, although I would say z asymptotically approaches zero if y increases too much above x.
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wacky is trying to break his single day brags record today.
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wacky is trying to break his single day brags record today.
I think that was my first one of the day tho. It was just a major brag, but not really, because it shows you how poor I was working in radio.
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Wacky, what I'm asking is, when you're interviewing with another firm and they offer x, and you counter offer y, and you ultimately agree on z, what is the percentage represented by (z-x)/x. Got it?
It's got to be a function of y, although I would say z asymptotically approaches zero if y increases too much above x.
How in the world would z approach zero? Who counter offers with 0? I think you mean z approaches x? That doesn't make any sense either. It's like you're suggesting some sort of laffer curve relationship.
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Wacky, what I'm asking is, when you're interviewing with another firm and they offer x, and you counter offer y, and you ultimately agree on z, what is the percentage represented by (z-x)/x. Got it?
It's got to be a function of y, although I would say z asymptotically approaches zero if y increases too much above x.
How in the world would z approach zero? Who counter offers with 0? I think you mean z approaches x? That doesn't make any sense either. It's like you're suggesting some sort of laffer curve relationship.
No, I'm saying if your counter is too high they are going pull the offer altogether.
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Wacky, what I'm asking is, when you're interviewing with another firm and they offer x, and you counter offer y, and you ultimately agree on z, what is the percentage represented by (z-x)/x. Got it?
It's got to be a function of y, although I would say z asymptotically approaches zero if y increases too much above x.
How in the world would z approach zero? Who counter offers with 0? I think you mean z approaches x? That doesn't make any sense either. It's like you're suggesting some sort of laffer curve relationship.
No, I'm saying if your counter is too high they are going pull the offer altogether.
That would be a different function considering I stipulated that both parties ultimately agree on z.
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My 15% bump was an offer match by current employer when competitor offered a job.
Several years ago, hiring manager offered $x. I told him I wasn't interested unless base was $Y. He agreed. 18% higher.
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Job to job.
that's not a counter offer as I thought you meant. A counter offer is when you get a raise offered with the current employer. To me responding to an offer with a higher number is just negotiation.
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Job to job.
that's not a counter offer. A counter offer is when you get a raise offered with the current employer
I'm pretty sure a counter offer is when a company offers you a job with a salary and then you counter with a higher salary that you would like to be paid for that job. Could be a new company or a different job at the company you currently work for.
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I think it is a counteroffer. You are literally countering their offer
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To answer emo, 19%
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Man the economy appears to be really whipping ass right now.
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Wacky, what I'm asking is, when you're interviewing with another firm and they offer x, and you counter offer y, and you ultimately agree on z, what is the percentage represented by (z-x)/x. Got it?
It's got to be a function of y, although I would say z asymptotically approaches zero if y increases too much above x.
How in the world would z approach zero? Who counter offers with 0? I think you mean z approaches x? That doesn't make any sense either. It's like you're suggesting some sort of laffer curve relationship.
No, I'm saying if your counter is too high they are going pull the offer altogether.
That would be a different function considering I stipulated that both parties ultimately agree on z.
I think you are taking this hyperbola of Mrs. Gooch too hyperbole.
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Who the eff thinks a counter offer is separate from a negotiation?
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Chill, is that a statement or a legit question?
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Who the eff thinks a counter offer is separate from a negotiation?
obviously the definition of a counteroffer includes that part of a negotiation, but in the context of a job offer, common parlance is that a counteroffer is something that comes from your current employer.
Yeah, I got a great job offer, but I decided to accept a counteroffer instead.
Now, based on the above, if someone said that would you believe a) that they played hardball with a potential employer and got them to up their offer or b) they decided to stay with their current employer in exchange for a raise.
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Who the eff thinks a counter offer is separate from a negotiation?
obviously the definition of a counteroffer includes that part of a negotiation, but in the context of a job offer, common parlance is that a counteroffer is something that comes from your current employer.
Yeah, I got a great job offer, but I decided to accept a counteroffer instead.
Now, based on the above, if someone said that would you believe a) that they played hardball with a potential employer and got them to up their offer or b) they decided to stay with their current employer in exchange for a raise.
That makes sense.
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had a phone interview today.. I think it went well.. I have no clue, I hate phone interviews
face to face on Thursday :drool:
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My manager asked me if I was searching for other jobs today. It was completely random. She said she heard a rumor and I lol'd really hard in the meeting. She said she was super relieved and that the execs told her to do whatever she had to, to make sure the rumor false. Who the eff comes up with this stuff? Anyways, can't wait for my yearly review, they just showed their hand. :cheers:
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My manager asked me if I was searching for other jobs today. It was completely random. She said she heard a rumor and I lol'd really hard in the meeting. She said she was super relieved and that the execs told her to do whatever she had to, to make sure the rumor false. Who the eff comes up with this stuff? Anyways, can't wait for my yearly review, they just showed their hand. :cheers:
LOL, I had the same thing happen a couple of years ago. Turned it into a fat raise.
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Admit it guys, you started the rumor. Total stud move.
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I once was asked to help grease the wheels for someone from my current company to be contracted out to another company as I had previously done work that company was involved in. I was asked early on if I wanted to be the one to be contracted out and I said "If I want to do that line of work, I'll go work for them." So we didn't get selected, but after my bosses were confused and thought that I really wanted to go work for the other company. Big bonus that year
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Admit it guys, you started the rumor. Total stud move.
I wish I was that smart. I think I know who did it, and it was probably an effort to get me in trouble over a disagreement we'd had, little did he know it got me a 10+% raise even after I told my boss it wasn't true and I had no intention of leaving. :cheers:
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Find out today or Monday at the latest.. Be kinda awkward around here if I get it and turn in my "Hey, I'm leaving letter"
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Start a new job tomorrow. Huge raise for me but there will be a crap ton of pressure on me too. I'm looking forward to the challenge though.
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slinging software?
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show up super late, but with donuts.
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slinging software?
Yep.
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First day on the new job was super great. Who knew that the further up the ladder you go the easier it is?
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Time to sell that shack and build a new mansion?
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maybe plant a tree this time
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good oppy to ditch the pool/house #combofooting
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First day on the new job was super great. Who knew that the further up the ladder you go the easier it is?
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it makes sense, doesn't it? i mean, i don't know what your first job was but mine was at Taco Via and it rough ridin' sucked. you think your boss is gonna send you home early so you can hit the golf course while he knocks out the "tough stuff" ?
come on, son. use your damn noodle.
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my first job was at an arcade and it was pretty effin' sweet :dunno:
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First day on the new job was super great. Who knew that the further up the ladder you go the easier it is?
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it makes sense, doesn't it? i mean, i don't know what your first job was but mine was at Taco Via and it rough ridin' sucked. you think your boss is gonna send you home early so you can hit the golf course while he knocks out the "tough stuff" ?
come on, son. use your damn noodle.
This is almost always true.
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my first job was at an arcade and it was pretty effin' sweet :dunno:
i was an "intern" at an IT company. i spent most of my time getting payed to bbs on sherdog.
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my first job was at an arcade and it was pretty effin' sweet :dunno:
i was an "intern" at an IT company. i spent most of my time getting payed to bbs on sherdog.
My first job was working for a pool company. I was 15 and made minimum wage. One day I had to fish a bunch of dead crap (possums, racoons, etc) out of a dilapidated and decrepit pool, cut up the liner and haul it out on my back with all the gross water running down my body. I didn't last much longer after that.
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Concrete. It was brutal, but I made an absolute shitload of money compared to all the other kids I new, and all of the unskilled labor parents I knew too. In retrospect, I wish it wasn't something that influenced me so much.
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one summer i helped on a concrete foundation repair crew. wow, that was garbage.
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my first job was at an arcade and it was pretty effin' sweet :dunno:
i was an "intern" at an IT company. i spent most of my time getting payed to bbs on sherdog.
My first job was working for a pool company. I was 15 and made minimum wage. One day I had to fish a bunch of dead crap (possums, racoons, etc) out of a dilapidated and decrepit pool, cut up the liner and haul it out on my back with all the gross water running down my body. I didn't last much longer after that.
sounds like a typical saturday helping my dad with side jobs so that my mom could buy this season's eddie bauer lineup.
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Dairy Farm. Our families. I did everything already mentioned here. Didn't get paid. It sucked at the time, but it was a pretty great way to grow up.
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I was thinking that dairy farmers probably get an increased sense of good feelings or whatever from their jobs, more than row crop farmers or beef cattle folks. What say you dobbs?
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What's it like growing up and having cow poop smell surround you at all times
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What's it like growing up and having cow poop smell surround you at all times
you start saying really stupid things like, "that's the smell of money".
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life on a dairy farm sounds awful and your parents were bad people for not paying you
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life on a dairy farm sounds awful and your parents were bad people for not paying you
fresh cream is delicious. also, rough ridin' lol at that the second part.
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i'd pay $100/oz for fresh cream to not have to live on a dairy farm
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Concrete. It was brutal, but I made an absolute shitload of money compared to all the other kids I new, and all of the unskilled labor parents I knew too. In retrospect, I wish it wasn't something that influenced me so much.
Yes, before freshman year I was bringing home 275 a week @ 40 hours and I would put 200 in the bank and keep 75 for the week and it seemed like I had more money than I could even think of spending. What a great summer
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Gambinos. 75 hwy and 46th.
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Concrete. It was brutal, but I made an absolute shitload of money compared to all the other kids I new, and all of the unskilled labor parents I knew too. In retrospect, I wish it wasn't something that influenced me so much.
Yes, before freshman year I was bringing home 275 a week @ 40 hours and I would put 200 in the bank and keep 75 for the week and it seemed like I had more money than I could even think of spending. What a great summer
I hope this was like 1972 or something. Woof.
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pretty close
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What is all of your opinions on the best place or site to build and make a resume?
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:dunno:
That was one of the reasons I went home every summer in college. Wages in Manhattan were a joke comparatively. In 1997 I was making $12 cash in KC as second in charge of the crew. In Manhattan, I couldn't make that running a crew.
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What is all of your opinions on the best place or site to build and make a resume?
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I would go to a professional or a family member who you look up to and view there's. A lot of the stuff I had to send out was audio, so that's different, but if I was going straight out of business school or something else, I'd totally do this.
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I worked 55+ hours a week at the beef research making $7.25 base pay + OT my summer after freshman year. Was amazing.
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What is all of your opinions on the best place or site to build and make a resume?
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I would go to a professional or a family member who you look up to and view there's. A lot of the stuff I had to send out was audio, so that's different, but if I was going straight out of business school or something else, I'd totally do this.
I think I'll be okay making my own, but then I have a buddy who's dad is a lawyer and he said he could look over it for me and make it sound/look better I'm sure. Thanks!
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Good idea. :thumbs:
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I was thinking that dairy farmers probably get an increased sense of good feelings or whatever from their jobs, more than row crop farmers or beef cattle folks. What say you dobbs?
We had row crops and some beef cattle as well. Row crop was pretty great because you plant these little seeds and then, BOOM! you harvest them and somebody pays you for producing that! Plus, the thought of my family owning a bunch of ground was pretty great for some reason. We had some cows that were worth a bunch of money, but the value of my family owning the cows didn't equate to the value of owning the land.
Also....THE SMELL OF MONEY!!!!!! (cow poop and alfalfa were the best...not at the same time, but both are a great smell!)
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life on a dairy farm sounds awful and your parents were bad people for not paying you
fresh cream is delicious. also, rough ridin' lol at that the second part.
I got paid to work on the family farm starting at like age 8. (Praise be to Allah that it wasn't a dairy farm)
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are there dairy ranches?
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are there dairy ranches?
Yes. Could have a dairy and a large ranch. I know somebody that had a dairy ranch.
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life on a dairy farm sounds awful and your parents were bad people for not paying you
fresh cream is delicious. also, rough ridin' lol at that the second part.
I got paid to work on the family farm starting at like age 8. (Praise be to Allah that it wasn't a dairy farm)
You parents realized you controlled the means to production.
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As a kid, when I was scraping pig crap out of a pen every morning, I would have killed to been living on a dairy farm.
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As a kid, when I was scraping pig crap out of a pen every morning, I would have killed to been living on a dairy farm.
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I had plenty of crap to shovel, but at least the crap I shoveled was that smelly ass hog crap. Good heavens hog crap is the absolute worst.
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The last 2 posts are basically child abuse, imo.
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My parents made me mow the lawn all the time, guys. Ugh.
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My parents made me mow the lawn all the time, guys. Ugh.
We fought over who got to mow the lawn. It was like the most super pud job in the world. We even when to a push lawnmower without self propelled drive and it was still super pud to spend 4 hours mowing our big ass lawn.
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I'm okay with child abuse if it means steaks for $7.99/pound.
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are there soybeans ranchers?
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My parents made me mow the lawn all the time, guys. Ugh.
We fought over who got to mow the lawn. It was like the most super pud job in the world. We even when to a push lawnmower without self propelled drive and it was still super pud to spend 4 hours mowing our big ass lawn.
I had to mow the yard for a few months and then my dad said I "tore up the yard" and started doing it himself but then I had to do just the trimming
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are there soybeans ranchers?
Just ask yourself if it is possible. If it is possible, then there probably is.
I think in most parts of the midwest, that would just be a farmer.
In cattle country, they usually identify as ranchers and leave off the soybean or corn part. They probably have some of both.
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i got to be very good at flooding the mower
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My parents made me mow the lawn all the time, guys. Ugh.
We fought over who got to mow the lawn. It was like the most super pud job in the world. We even when to a push lawnmower without self propelled drive and it was still super pud to spend 4 hours mowing our big ass lawn.
I had to mow the yard for a few months and then my dad said I "tore up the yard" and started doing it himself but then I had to do just the trimming
I had a brother who was "allergic to cows" so he didn't have to milk. What a joke. He is probably my smartest brother.
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i got to be very good at flooding the mower
I flooded the weedeater once.
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well you can color this yankee confused then, how about you hayseeds get your terms figured out?
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
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well you can color this yankee confused then, how about you hayseeds get your terms figured out?
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
Chicken Ranchers? Maybe!
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well you can color this yankee confused then, how about you hayseeds get your terms figured out?
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
I have an interesting anecdote on this topic. Well I was talking to these 4H kids and they were trying to play a joke on me and they said say "silk" 5 times and then spell "silk". So I did, and then they said, "what do cows drink?" and I said "milk". So you understand the trick, right? And they were all like "no cows drink water LOL." And I said actually baby cows drink milk so I'm right. And they said those aren't cows they are calves. And I said well calves are just baby cows. And they said no they aren't. And I said yes they are like babies are baby humans but we don't call them humans we call them babies. I did not convince them.
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well you can color this yankee confused then, how about you hayseeds get your terms figured out?
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
I have an interesting anecdote on this topic. Well I was talking to these 4H kids and they were trying to play a joke on me and they said say "silk" 5 times and then spell "silk". So I did, and then they said, "what do cows drink?" and I said "milk". So you understand the trick, right? And they were all like "no cows drink water LOL." And I said actually baby cows drink milk so I'm right. And they said those aren't cows they are calves. And I said well calves are just baby cows. And they said no they aren't. And I said yes they are like babies are baby humans but we don't call them humans we call them babies. I did not convince them.
Calves are baby bovines.
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well you can color this yankee confused then, how about you hayseeds get your terms figured out?
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
I have an interesting anecdote on this topic. Well I was talking to these 4H kids and they were trying to play a joke on me and they said say "silk" 5 times and then spell "silk". So I did, and then they said, "what do cows drink?" and I said "milk". So you understand the trick, right? And they were all like "no cows drink water LOL." And I said actually baby cows drink milk so I'm right. And they said those aren't cows they are calves. And I said well calves are just baby cows. And they said no they aren't. And I said yes they are like babies are baby humans but we don't call them humans we call them babies. I did not convince them.
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well you can color this yankee confused then, how about you hayseeds get your terms figured out?
ranch? farm? cow? bull? crop? steer? cattle? angus?
smdh and we're an ag school? gmafb
I have an interesting anecdote on this topic. Well I was talking to these 4H kids and they were trying to play a joke on me and they said say "silk" 5 times and then spell "silk". So I did, and then they said, "what do cows drink?" and I said "milk". So you understand the trick, right? And they were all like "no cows drink water LOL." And I said actually baby cows drink milk so I'm right. And they said those aren't cows they are calves. And I said well calves are just baby cows. And they said no they aren't. And I said yes they are like babies are baby humans but we don't call them humans we call them babies. I did not convince them.
City folk just don't understand.
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I always call them baby humans just to be clear I'm not referring to any other species.
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Question?
Let's say you hire someone. Your CEO was iffy on the hire at first (She has to confirm it, before it's allowed to go through), but she gives you the benefit of the doubt, because of short term success. This person moves from Texas to south indiana for the job. Wants to be closer to home. Also, needs a license, but for some reason, the license hasn't been cleared for 4-5 months and is still pending, our office has been closed until we can place this person, both of his/her phones are off 24/7 and they only respond to their email like once a week with a vague response. CEO is starting to become a bit concerned and reminds me how she wasn't a fan of this person to begin with, but gave me the benefit of the doubt.
So my question is. This ends well, right? :dunno:
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I can't even track this person through the interwebs either. :frown: Like, how does one find a black hole in todays society? :confused:
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Sorry you messed up Wacky. Hopefully this quack won't kill anyone in the meantime.
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Tell your CEO that she was right and you appreciate learning from her experience. Turn it into less of you being wrong and more of her being right.
Everytime I've given an applicant the benefit of the doubt for their shitty communication, it has bit me in the ass. If they don't have the commitment to communicate well, they don't have the commitment to move/start a new job.
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I feel stressed when I know we're missing out on $100,000 of production per day, 3-4 days a week, because someone I hired hasn't came through yet. :frown:
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Tell your CEO that she was right and you appreciate learning from her experience. Turn it into less of you being wrong and more of her being right.
Everytime I've given an applicant the benefit of the doubt for their shitty communication, it has bit me in the ass. If they don't have the commitment to communicate well, they don't have the commitment to move/start a new job.
This is really good advice. Thank you!
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Fire the bum
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Sorry you messed up Wacky. Hopefully this quack won't kill anyone in the meantime.
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I feel stressed when I know we're missing out on $100,000 of production per day, 3-4 days a week, because someone I hired hasn't came through yet. :frown:
1 Doc can bill 100,000 of services per day?
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I feel stressed when I know we're missing out on $100,000 of production per day, 3-4 days a week, because someone I hired hasn't came through yet. :frown:
1 Doc can bill 100,000 of services per day?
In certain locations. I might be generous saying that, but yeah, I see it on my daily reports at times. Crazy, right?
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Also helps we're open 12 hours a day.
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wet, i recommend u don't take that figure too seriously
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this person/hire is not going to come through for you. make sure you understand why your boss wasn't a fan of the hire in the first place and then let your boss know that you now understand why and then don't make the same mistake again.
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Your boss isn't gonna say crap. If she does, immediately get up, go and rip the motherfucking short terms sales success board off of the wall, put it in her stupid face, and point out all of your rough ridin' short terms sales success. Be like, "SEE THAT? THAT WAS ME! AND THAT? ME! THIS ONE? ALL ME!" Problem solved.
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just take her out for drinks tonight and afterwards give her the best bone of her miserable life. welcome to the corporate world, wacky.
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Guys, fanning doesn't actually hire doctors, that's asinine. Lmao
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just take her out for drinks tonight and afterwards give her the best bone of her miserable life. welcome to the corporate world, wacky.
She's out in the field right now, so i'll have to put that one in my back pocket. Great pro tip tho.
Also, thanks for all of the advice. Had a great convo with her before lunch. She sounded way less panicky than me about the situation. Reminded me that we've dug up several candidates to fill the void until we have a permanent solution. Said some nice stuff about some feedback she's heard and even took some accountability, since they've had me reporting to several other ppl on candidates. She understood how things could get lost in the shuffle. :thumbs: :cheers:
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Stop lying about your career on a ksu sports blog site. That is just so weird I don't even know where to begin.
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why don't you believe that wackycat08 is hiring doctors for a living and a total boss at it?
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:surprised:
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:surprised:
:Chirp:
As long as nobody finds out you have a law degree, you should be fine
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:Chirp:
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This seems like a good way to make some extra cash, right?
Would you like to earn extra cash up to $450 weekly for driving with a Monster Energy Drink ad on your car.? Reply for more details
Sincerely
Joel Cohen
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The director :surprised:
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spelled it wrong
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Yearly review is in 30 minutes. Lots of :excited: and :ohno: at the same time.
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Yearly review is in 30 minutes. Lots of :excited: and :ohno: at the same time.
Tell them you need a big raise or you're walking.
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They pushed it back to 4:30. :curse:
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Well that's not a good sign if you ask me.
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If they push it back to 4:30 on Friday then you might as well just pack up now.
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Well that's not a good sign if you ask me.
I was supposed to have my review last week, but we've had PC owners in town and everyone has been in complete meltdown mode getting their presentations together. They just left this afternoon. So everyone is "backed up". My coworker and I set a record for doctors hired in a year here. So i'm not worried, but their only complaint this year, has been small admin stuff. That's mainly because it took them 6 months to finally hire us an assistant (our last one quit). I'll own it tho. I hate spreadsheets.
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wacky is the greatest doctor hirer this world has ever seen. he'll hire so many doctors it will make your head spin.
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Well that's not a good sign if you ask me.
I was supposed to have my review last week, but we've had PC owners in town and everyone has been in complete meltdown mode getting their presentations together. They just left this afternoon. So everyone is "backed up". My coworker and I set a record for doctors hired in a year here. So i'm not worried, but their only complaint this year, has been small admin stuff. That's mainly because it took them 6 months to finally hire us an assistant (our last one quit). I'll own it tho. I hate spreadsheets.
You expect the firm that can't hire their two best employees an admin to act logically? I'd be worried wacky, very worried. :runaway:
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I just had a meeting with my COO and CEO on how to attack new territory for our new practices in Chicago about an hour ago. :dunno:
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what strategy are you gonna attack Chi town with wack?
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Best weird dental chain headhunter the world has ever seen
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Interview this morning for different role in same company with same boss. Hoping it's like this...
I want this job.
Good. Your replacement starts next week. Here's your pay raise.
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Interview this morning for different role in same company with same boss. Hoping it's like this...
I want this job.
Good. Your replacement starts next week. Here's your pay raise.
good luck ipa
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Git'r done
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Pending division VP approval. VP is a friend. Should be good to go. Woohoo.
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Things are good guys. I'll be making more $ than my parents ever did. I know that's a little dick syndrome kind of thing to compare yourself to, but it was my goal from day 1. :thumbs: Go cats!
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rub that crap in mom and dad's faces asap wack
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Buy them something nice to stick it to them
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rub that crap in mom and dad's faces asap wack
Not the point. Lived in a trailer until I was 10. Life goals, dude.
Buy them something nice
Will do. I want to send them to Marco Island. Mrs Wacky's grandparents said they could stay at their winter condo. :thumbs:
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Things are good guys. I'll be making more $ than my parents ever did.
i'm guessing you've already done the time value of money analysis to confirm this statement? gotta account for inflation, wacks.
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Things are good guys. I'll be making more $ than my parents ever did.
i'm guessing you've already done the time value of money analysis to confirm this statement? gotta account for inflation, wacks.
I think we both know that's the first thing he did.
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Things are good guys. I'll be making more $ than my parents ever did.
i'm guessing you've already done the time value of money analysis to confirm this statement? gotta account for inflation, wacks.
Oh man, never thought about that.
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Pending division VP approval. VP is a friend. Should be good to go. Woohoo.
Fantastic, it's great to be a cat
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Things are good guys. I'll be making more $ than my parents ever did.
i'm guessing you've already done the time value of money analysis to confirm this statement? gotta account for inflation, wacks.
Oh man, never thought about that.
it doesn't matter anyway. more money = good
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Wow some of us are just trying to make ends meet and wacky is throwing his money in our face. Real nice man.
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Wow some of us are just trying to make ends meet and wacky is throwing his money in our face. Real nice man.
pretty mumped up, keep grinding bud
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I don't know how you keep up with all your troll accounts. Pretty weird when you flip one account to another to talk to yourself. I'll pray for you, m^2
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Also, lol at everyone congratulating lib for making more $ at this point of the year vs the last, but you guys are trying to crap on me for hitting a life goal. :jerk:
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lighten up wackster, no one is doing that!
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We don't all have big fancy jobs like you man. Ok?
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this is even kim's equivalent of a top gun hi five combo
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Ride or die kim carnes
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Guys. I'm out. DFW Bound.
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what area are you moving to? stay away from nardfrog
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im sure francis is a bit more (dare i say) classy than the original nardfrog. i would recommend not going to dfw though because there are 8 million nardfrog clones there
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Good luck hating francis , start planning your escape as soon as you can
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give your valet plenty of heads up, tho
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Guys. I'm out. DFW Bound.
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So that's what that :peek: was about! Losing a couple people all at once I see
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I assume there will be others. :)
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Congrats bud!
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I assume there will be others. :)
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Hmmmmm interesting
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good stuff as always wacky
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Hope you're having a great night m^2. Beautiful weather. Go cats!
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What's the highest amount of meetings you've had in one day? I'm going to have 8 today.
:sdeek:
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Probably 3 for me. I have a lot of meetings that last 3+ hours, though. :flush:
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1
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I have my 3rd meeting of today in 5 minutes :sdeek: That's probably the most. Typical day is just 1 or 2.
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1 Regional Director meeting for region 1
2 weekly one-on-one meeting with my manager
3 Regional Director meeting for region 3
4 Meeting with my COO
5 Exec meeting to discuss new associate position for our doctors
6. HR quarterly meeting
7. Regional team meeting to discuss what's going on in each department
8. Expansion meeting
:runaway:
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Several of those meetings shouldn't involve you, if I have a good handle on your job function that is.
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All meetings are pointless. If you have more than 1 meeting in a day you should quit your job.
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i have one a month, max
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Several of those meetings shouldn't involve you, if I have a good handle on your job function that is.
Actually, they all do. I have two territories, so I report to both regional directors, my weekly manager meeting, my COO wants my thoughts on how the new regional directors are doing (Are they interviewing my candidates in a timely manner), expansion involves me, because we're opening practices in chicago now and I need the timeline on when I need to have 4 doctors in these practices. The associate program is knew and my colleague and I need to know the logistics of it to recruit for it. HR quartly meeting is what it is. They lump recruiting in with the HR teams. Regional team meeting is so all of the hr people have the doctors hr ready, so they need updates on start dates, credentialing, etc.
^^^ A lot of borrowing stuff, but ya.
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If you are really integral enough to be needed in all those meetings, you should go demand a raise right now.
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Several of those meetings shouldn't involve you, if I have a good handle on your job function that is.
Actually, they all do. I have two territories, so I report to both regional directors, my weekly manager meeting, my COO wants my thoughts on how the new regional directors are doing (Are they interviewing my candidates in a timely manner), expansion involves me, because we're opening practices in chicago now and I need the timeline on when I need to have 4 doctors in these practices. The associate program is knew and my colleague and I need to know the logistics of it to recruit for it. HR quartly meeting is what it is. They lump recruiting in with the HR teams. Regional team meeting is so all of the hr people have the doctors hr ready, so they need updates on start dates, credentialing, etc.
^^^ A lot of borrowing stuff, but ya.
All those meetings could be handled over email in a matter of minutes.
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If you are really integral enough to be needed in all those meetings, you should go demand a raise right now.
I just got one. :thumbs:
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there it is
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I had 9 in one day a few weeks ago. rough ridin' 9.
Morning overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Update from ops on where are with crap.
More detailed review/escalation meeting on a project by project basis.
Mid-day overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Meeting on product development projects.
Kick-off meeting on new project.
Meeting for update specific to one large project.
Meeting with ops to go over large projects.
End of day overview of crap that got done today.
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Seems like the morning meeting of crap getting done that day could have just been an email that read-
Good morning, nothing will be getting done today because we have 9 meetings.
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What was the duration of each meeting? Were you allowed bathroom breaks?
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I found my 4th meeting today pretty lol/ironic when she was telling me I need to really push my pipeline in Indianapolis right now and I was like this inside my head: "THAT'S WHY I NEED TO BE AT MY DESK RIGHT NOW, NOT THIS RELAY OF MEETINGS! :curse:
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1 Regional Director meeting for region 1--------15 minutes
2 weekly one-on-one meeting with my manager---------45 minutes
3 Regional Director meeting for region 3-------30 minutes
4 Meeting with my COO------20 minutes
5 Exec meeting to discuss new associate position for our doctors------ 25 minutes
6. HR quarterly meeting-------30 minutes
7. Regional team meeting to discuss what's going on in each department----5 minutes
8. Expansion meeting---------TBD
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Of course to the bathroom break question
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Seems like the morning meeting of crap getting done that day could have just been an email that read-
Good morning, nothing will be getting done today because we have 9 meetings.
It's really a matter of the whole people in the canoe without paddles thing.
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Like 4 is my max but it doesn't happen very often. I actually wish I could have more sometimes instead of email chains that replace them
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The problem at my work is not so many meetings, but long meetings. Like they are scheduled to be an hour but end up lasting 2-3 hours sometimes.
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I hate worthless meetings. I can waste my own time, thank you very much.
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Is a 1 on 1 a meeting?
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Is a 1 on 1 a meeting?
Did you leave your desk/office? Was this also pre-planned or more impromptu?
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The problem at my work is not so many meetings, but long meetings. Like they are scheduled to be an hour but end up lasting 2-3 hours sometimes.
I sometimes have 2 hour long meetings but they are usually scheduled for 2 hours. Most of them need 2 hours also.
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Is a 1 on 1 a meeting?
Did you leave your desk/office? Was this also pre-planned or more impromptu?
Yup. Confirmed. It's a meeting.
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Wacky, what company do u work for?
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O crap kim is a dentist!
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I had 9 in one day a few weeks ago. rough ridin' 9.
Morning overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Update from ops on where are with crap.
More detailed review/escalation meeting on a project by project basis.
Mid-day overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Meeting on product development projects.
Kick-off meeting on new project.
Meeting for update specific to one large project.
Meeting with ops to go over large projects.
End of day overview of crap that got done today.
These are simply ridiculous. Here's a novel concept: Doing crap instead of talking about doing crap.
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Having more than one scrum per project a day seems very wasteful
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Who is trying the most to sound impotant here?
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Just when I think _33 couldn't be a bigger stud he rocks another thread. Unbelievable.
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I had 9 in one day a few weeks ago. rough ridin' 9.
Morning overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Update from ops on where are with crap.
More detailed review/escalation meeting on a project by project basis.
Mid-day overview of current status and crap getting done today.
Meeting on product development projects.
Kick-off meeting on new project.
Meeting for update specific to one large project.
Meeting with ops to go over large projects.
End of day overview of crap that got done today.
These are simply ridiculous. Here's a novel concept: Doing crap instead of talking about doing crap.
These are attended by project and functional managers, not the people doing the work. Some communicate the status/roadblocks, the others mitigate and prioritize their resources.
There is absolutely a better way but the senior management can't secure funds for investment to create a better way. It's incredibly stupid.
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If it is not the people actually doing the work but they are having 3 meetings per day on status then that means the managers are bugging the workers several times a day to get status to report at the meeting.
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Project managers are the worst. HEY WHY DON'T YOU ASK THE GUY RESPONSIBLE FOR SHIPPING IT WHEN IT WILL SHIP INSTEAD OF SCHEDULING A MEETING TO ASK ME TO ASK THEM
I am in a shitload of meetings, the biggest problem is when they are redundant. Like, have a weekly meeting with a vendor, then a meeting to update what happened with the vendor with a slightly larger team, and then a meeting with an even larger team where every updates what happened in their meetings about the meetings.
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Hiring a doctor is a long ass process to be fair. Everything from finding/recruiting the candidate, to interviewing them personally, then I have them interview with the regional director, then they need to shadow, then they have to interview with our chief dental officer. Then seek PC approval, then the offer, a crap ton of paperwork, then we have to credential them (get them insured through our practice, wait 4-6 weeks in this process, order scrubs, get HR ready and then they're finally on boarded. Doing this with 20-25 docs in the mix at one time is a long process and everyone needs to know what stage they're in. Sigh.
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I've never considered dentists to be doctors. I think I view them as inferior.
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If you wanna make them feel important, you have to call them Dr. So and so. Mrs wacky's bros laugh when I use the term Doctor recruiter because they feel the same way about dentists
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Might resign tomorrow
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I've never considered dentists to be doctors. I think I view them as inferior.
I have since The Hangover
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Do you guys have contigency plans in place for when a handful of your dentists inevitably commit suicide?
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Might resign tomorrow
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Do you guys have contigency plans in place for when a handful of your dentists inevitably commit suicide?
Yeah, I've got a great pipeline. :D I don't know how dentists are the biggest alcoholic profession when they work with their hands all day. So bizarre.
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Might resign tomorrow
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I have two people over me. Lower boss is new. They hate each other and request meetings with me all the time trying to get dirt on each other. I take the high road and compliment each despite having deep reservations about both. Work environment is very tense, but I manage. The past two days lower new boss has called me and questioned my production despite not having a clue what goes on in the office. Lower new boss also hasn't been in the office the past couple days due to a conference. Since new boss came on I have done their job since they don't know what to do and haven't bothered to learn it.
Lower new boss requested we have a meeting tomorrow. If they try to burn me I might just tell them best wishes. I had job offers from other companies over the summer. Not sure if they are still there, but I can manage to get by a few months if they're not. I planned on leaving next year but might leave a bit more abruptly.
I've had problems with lower new boss for a while but we work through it. They never called me on my production before, and I take that personally since I am doing their job for the most part and carrying them.
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So did you get that memo?
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Why are you using a gender neutral pronoun?
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I work with some K-State alums. I don't want to leave any tracks.
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Might resign tomorrow
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I have two people over me. Lower boss is new. They hate each other and request meetings with me all the time trying to get dirt on each other. I take the high road and compliment each despite having deep reservations about both. Work environment is very tense, but I manage. The past two days lower new boss has called me and questioned my production despite not having a clue what goes on in the office. Lower new boss also hasn't been in the office the past couple days due to a conference. Since new boss came on I have done their job since they don't know what to do and haven't bothered to learn it.
Lower new boss requested we have a meeting tomorrow. If they try to burn me I might just tell them best wishes. I had job offers from other companies over the summer. Not sure if they are still there, but I can manage to get by a few months if they're not. I planned on leaving next year but might leave a bit more abruptly.
I've had problems with lower new boss for a while but we work through it. They never called me on my production before, and I take that personally since I am doing their job for the most part and carrying them.
no reason to resign before you have a job lined up. have a little composure and deal with it for a month or two.
Also sounds like you have a better relationship with the older higher boss, maybe stop taking the high road or at least let the upper boss know you're frustrated with lower new boss.
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Have a job lined up before you leave. Shouldn't have to tell you that but here we are.
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Stop doing the bosses job for him
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That will probably come up in our meeting tomorrow
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be more surly and resentful with your coworkers (stop thinking of them as bosses) and if you have do any work, only do it grudgingly. work behavior is just like any other animal behavior, if interacting with you is unpleasant and getting you do to work is difficult, the other animals will alter their behavior to avoid the unpleasantness and difficulty.
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My department lead is a quiet introvert like me and does 99% of anything over email, it's very ideal
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If it is not the people actually doing the work but they are having 3 meetings per day on status then that means the managers are bugging the workers several times a day to get status to report at the meeting.
Well that's not true. Status of simpler tasks can be monitored with a tool. When a task is completed a function is closed and every one can see it. What one cannot see is the greater health of projects, because the tool is incapable of reporting on status of multiple projects at a time. It also can't tell you what someone is currently working on (it can tell you everything they could be working on, but you never know what's #1), and how long it's expected to take them to complete what they are working on. Also does not indicate priority of tasks or projects for shared resources. It's a real rough ridin' mess. I only go to those things when 1) I need to escalate things to functional managers, or 2) I find out my resources have been plundered without prior communication to me.
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My department lead is a quiet introvert like me and does 99% of anything over email, it's very ideal
email is always ideal. paper trails and such.
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Most of you people sound like you work for this guy....
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Watch your asses if The Bobs show up.
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Sometimes we have non-mandatory meetings that you can attend if you want to learn more about some certain topic. LOL.
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Might resign tomorrow
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I have two people over me. Lower boss is new. They hate each other and request meetings with me all the time trying to get dirt on each other. I take the high road and compliment each despite having deep reservations about both. Work environment is very tense, but I manage. The past two days lower new boss has called me and questioned my production despite not having a clue what goes on in the office. Lower new boss also hasn't been in the office the past couple days due to a conference. Since new boss came on I have done their job since they don't know what to do and haven't bothered to learn it.
Lower new boss requested we have a meeting tomorrow. If they try to burn me I might just tell them best wishes. I had job offers from other companies over the summer. Not sure if they are still there, but I can manage to get by a few months if they're not. I planned on leaving next year but might leave a bit more abruptly.
I've had problems with lower new boss for a while but we work through it. They never called me on my production before, and I take that personally since I am doing their job for the most part and carrying them.
sounds like an opportunity for you to move up at the expense of lower boss
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Most of you people sound like you work for this guy....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/589603179458756609/jLgLb_M6.png)
Watch your asses if The Bobs show up.
there are a great deal of people in this world exactly like that rough ridin' guy.
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Most of you people sound like you work for this guy....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/589603179458756609/jLgLb_M6.png)
Watch your asses if The Bobs show up.
there are a great deal of people in this world exactly like that rough ridin' guy.
There are a good portion of the pop that are idiots and a good portion of the pop that only do what they have to. Just because someone is higher in the hierarchy, doesn't mean they don't belong in one or both of those portions of the pop.
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We literally had a couple of consultants doing process stuff here a few months ago, and one of them was named Bob. He had been a consultant most of his life, but now is fully employed by my company, and just travels around and consults for all the subsidiary companies. He had no clue what we actually do here. And he actually implemented a process that makes us dependent on paper files. rough ridin' paper! It's ridiculous. He was also the implementer of the three status update meetings a day thing.
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JFC you people and your meetings. Granted I only have 3 FTE working for me, but typically at the beginning of a week I'll send them each the tasks I want to see done that are beyond their normal daily duties. At the end of the week I follow up with them. Every other week we all get together, have some beers, and discuss changes we want to see/new ideas.
I've never worked for a large company that requires working with tons of different people on a daily basis, but meetings seem super counter-productive. When Mrs. KCFD started working at her current job she took over a team of about 45 people that were terribly mismanaged, mostly spend all their days in meetings and got nothing done. She now meets with her managers on Monday to talk about the week, then usually takes them out for a drink on Friday. If an emergency pops up she sits down with the team involved and figures it out.
This is not rocket science.
TLDR: meetings are pointless, avoid them at all costs.
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Not to be a dick but what else is there to talk about?
Hey what beer do you wanna make this week?
Idk how about the same one we did last time?
Ok sounds good.
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Not to be a dick but what else is there to talk about?
Hey what beer do you wanna make this week?
Idk how about the same one we did last time?
Ok sounds good.
yes. that is all that goes into running a brewery. or any company really.
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Damn. Way too many meetings. Seven each month is plenty for me. All are by telephone.
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Meetings are absolutely essential in matrix organizations and especially projects with cross-functional resources. It's important to meet when communication goes across functions, for the sake of creating clarity, and (counter-intuitive for some of you) time efficiency. And time efficiency doesn't mean that someone with 8 hours of available work time completes 8 hours of work. It means that it doesn't take you two years to develop and release a product that your competitor can do in 18 months. Going fast means you have to quickly generate consensus from functional experts/leaders. And you can do that with meetings. It's not foreign to me that worker-bee types have a stimulus/anti-body response to meetings, especially engineers, they don't like begin put on the spot. They like to receive data, interpret, mull it over, and then offer the most complete response with a million asterisks so that their ass isn't on the line if it doesn't work. Anyway, fully agree that meetings can be time wasters. But some meetings are perceived to be time wasters by people who aren't high enough to have the whole picture.
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I wouldn't be able to do my job very well without some meetings, but I would assume that's the case with most people
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Sounds like your companies should have weekly meetings to remind people of the importance of meetings.
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Meetings are absolutely essential in matrix organizations and especially projects with cross-functional resources. It's important to meet when communication goes across functions, for the sake of creating clarity, and (counter-intuitive for some of you) time efficiency. And time efficiency doesn't mean that someone with 8 hours of available work time completes 8 hours of work. It means that it doesn't take you two years to develop and release a product that your competitor can do in 18 months. Going fast means you have to quickly generate consensus from functional experts/leaders. And you can do that with meetings. It's not foreign to me that worker-bee types have a stimulus/anti-body response to meetings, especially engineers, they don't like begin put on the spot. They like to receive data, interpret, mull it over, and then offer the most complete response with a million asterisks so that their ass isn't on the line if it doesn't work. Anyway, fully agree that meetings can be time wasters. But some meetings are perceived to be time wasters by people who aren't high enough to have the whole picture.
IMO most meetings could just involve directors/managers and they go relay that information to the so-called "worker bee" employees. I'm not saying meeting with a whole team to achieve project consensus/speed is not important. But most every day mundane meetings can be eliminated.
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manager bee life
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Meetings are absolutely essential in matrix organizations and especially projects with cross-functional resources. It's important to meet when communication goes across functions, for the sake of creating clarity, and (counter-intuitive for some of you) time efficiency. And time efficiency doesn't mean that someone with 8 hours of available work time completes 8 hours of work. It means that it doesn't take you two years to develop and release a product that your competitor can do in 18 months. Going fast means you have to quickly generate consensus from functional experts/leaders. And you can do that with meetings. It's not foreign to me that worker-bee types have a stimulus/anti-body response to meetings, especially engineers, they don't like begin put on the spot. They like to receive data, interpret, mull it over, and then offer the most complete response with a million asterisks so that their ass isn't on the line if it doesn't work. Anyway, fully agree that meetings can be time wasters. But some meetings are perceived to be time wasters by people who aren't high enough to have the whole picture.
This post is very meeting-esque. Long, boring, self important, pointless.
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JK emo I'm sure meetings are necessary at your confusing job. But I just couldn't resist that zinger. :D
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The problem is when all the worker-bee types are really rough ridin' smart but poor communicators and you know what I don't know how the eff this doo-hickey works here let's get you in a room with you and you and then you tell them and then I can't eff up the translation which would invariably happen if you told me and then I told you.
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I worked in a corporation that had 77,000 plus employees spread across the globe. Most of our in-house meetings with field supervisors were great and very meaningful (i.e. made us more money). However, we had endless bullshit meetings where some out of town "dignitaries" came to visit and wanted to wow us with crap that didn't apply to our market and constantly asked for information from us that they could use to prepare presentations to justify their position.
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The problem is when all the worker-bee types are really rough ridin' smart but poor communicators and you know what I don't know how the eff this doo-hickey works here let's get you in a room with you and you and then you tell them and then I can't eff up the translation which would invariably happen if you told me and then I told you.
Obviously. If someone doesn't understand this well I feel sorry for them because they're clearly stupid which is the opposite of a smart person like me.
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I've been in a meeting for almost 2 hours now. At least I've made some progress on the dog front.
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Goddamnit how appropriate I'm in a crap storm right now because someone didn't have a meeting in my absence last week. We have product ready to ship except we didn't incorporate a late customer change and now we gotta scramble!
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Matrix organizations :barf:
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this all sounds truly miserable
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Emo's buzzword salad pro-meeting post made me vomit irl
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Also I now understand why Emo feels like he needs to kill things
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It is certainly true that many meetings I am a part of are productive, but that is in spite of some of the other idiots I have to meet with. Most of my motivation at work is to run the meetings. I run probably 60-70% of the meetings I attend which I am always trying to improve.
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Emo, you sound like a person who just got enough responsibility to have meetings and are taking this responsibility at maximum
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You know, my gripes with my employment situation don't seem all that bad. You poor, schmucks.
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I thought emo was complaining about his nine meeting day, but I guess it was a brag about how many meetings he could make people attend in one day?
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Sometimes meeting are about managing risk. You don't want to spend $2MM and then find out no one want to buy your stuff because it sucks or something.
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Hey fucktards, you don't want to go to a meeting? Then decline it. But don't not respond. Hate that passive aggressive bullshit.
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Also, be on time. Or I will embarrass you in front of everyone when you show up late.
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What's your product Emo? Pm if necessary
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Monday I have meetings from 9am to 3pm solid (including a weekly catered lunch staff meeting). All the others are for different projects with different groups. I'll probably have one at 3pm, too. :frown:
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what kind of catering
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i have one meeting a week and i don't have to go if i'm already working on a project. i don't mind it much, the only bad part is i have to get to the office in time for the meeting, which is at 9:30.
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what kind of catering
It's usually from a random ethnic restaurant. And usually pretty good.
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i love catered lunches. the mystery, the suspense, i wonder what they're going to get for us? so much fun.
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i love catered lunches. the mystery, the suspense, i wonder what they're going to get for us? so much fun.
I get the menu for the week every Monday morning. :-
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I've looked at some jobs in San Fran and NY and they cater lunch every single day
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I've looked at some jobs in San Fran and NY and they cater lunch every single day
A friend in Chicago has the same thing
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I've looked at some jobs in San Fran and NY and they cater lunch every single day
A friend in Chicago has the same thing
What kind of industry, IT or engineering?
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I've looked at some jobs in San Fran and NY and they cater lunch every single day
A friend in Chicago has the same thing
What kind of industry, IT or engineering?
Network engineer at a trading firm
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I've looked at some jobs in San Fran and NY and they cater lunch every single day
A friend in Chicago has the same thing
What kind of industry, IT or engineering?
Network engineer at a trading firm
EVILCORP
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I've looked at some jobs in San Fran and NY and they cater lunch every single day
A friend in Chicago has the same thing
What kind of industry, IT or engineering?
Network engineer at a trading firm
EVILCORP
That would be the perfect spot for a Elliot
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At one of the numerous meetings my company had yesterday there was a meeting where it was mentioned that the annual productivity loss from people needlessly attending meetings or just pointless meetings in general is the equivalent of us hiring 60 new people. That number seems high but hey some smart person probably crunched some numbers to prove it.
Ironically enough this tidbit was passed on during a meeting that I attended today.
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I couldn't imagine life with meetings. :Woot:
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Do I still need to be rejecting the ios 10 update for my ipad or did all that stuff I heard people freaking out about get fixed?
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Do I still need to be rejecting the ios 10 update for my ipad or did all that stuff I heard people freaking out about get fixed?
wrong thread bruh
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Tomorrow I have four separate meetings dealing with THE SAME PROJECT.
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Do I still need to be rejecting the ios 10 update for my ipad or did all that stuff I heard people freaking out about get fixed?
wrong thread bruh
Looks on point to me.
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:lol:
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I never had any issues but I think they have fixed it
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Do I still need to be rejecting the ios 10 update for my ipad or did all that stuff I heard people freaking out about get fixed?
I think you're good
https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/10/ios-10-hits-two-thirds-of-devices/
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Skipping a company wide meeting right now. Love those things, gets so quiet.
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know what's worse than work meetings? the dumbasses who love to hear themselves speak and talk about off-topic other crap and/or ask questions every single time no matter how relevant the question is.
also i hate the guy who always shows up late and then asks to rehash crap that's already been covered. nope, sorry sonny.
also hate the girl who sits on her laptop while in my meeting, that crap doesn't fly. pay attention, i wouldn't invite you to attend if i didn't want you to be there.
then there's the guy who schedules an hour long meeting and immediately starts the meeting with a "this shouldn't take long/the whole time" and then the meeting goes the whole time. why get my hopes up?
also, no meetings during my lunch time or on monday mornings or friday afternoons
these rules are all pretty simple
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Obviously 'clams isn't in a cross functional matrix organization with independent resources
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just some simple guidelines to follow, that's all
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My least favorite meeting person is the meeting person who creates a hypothetical situation in order to ask a hypothetical question at a meeting. Then my second least favorite person at a meeting is the person running the meeting who indulges hypothetical question asker with an actual answer that takes actual time instead of just saying we'll cross that hypothetical bridge when we never come to it.
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I have meetings on Tuesdays and Wednesdays at 10-11am, and they both usually last longer and cut into my lunch plans. :curse:
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start bringing puni #acks to the meeting to get your point across
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Got a new boss. rough ridin' micromanager. First one I've ever had. Goddamnit.
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Got a new boss. rough ridin' micromanager. First one I've ever had. Goddamnit.
pwned
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He'll back off. Most of the ppl I have worked for that were micromanagers seemed to do so until they got a good feel for the fact that I wasn't going to eff anything up, then they backed off and gave me a crap load of rope.
Could end up well.
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Well it's going to suck in the interim. I've already sent 5 short/snarky email responses to her this morning.
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Well it's going to suck in the interim. I've already sent 5 short/snarky email responses to her this morning.
Oh, she's a woman. She's just trying to establish her dominance in a male-oriented world, so you don't initially get the idea that you can run all over her just because she is a woman.
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Well it's going to suck in the interim. I've already sent 5 short/snarky email responses to her this morning.
Yes, very good approach.
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Couldn't have happened to a better person
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She's asking me stupid status type questions when we have an update meeting on this very soon (that's the point of the meeting), and doesn't know the process even though she is and has been the process owner since I've been here.
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tell her if she doesn't watch it, she'll be working for you someday.
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Start calling her toots and hon. That will get her off your case.
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Oh man when she finds out I make a lot more money than her. :sdeek:
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show her a picture of your paystub. then a picture of your junk.
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[trump]
grab her by the pussy!
[/trump]
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Start calling her toots and hon. That will get her off your case.
This is great advice.
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Maybe ask for some sandwich making tips.
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Maybe ask for some sandwich making tips.
:sdeek:
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0 emails so far today! :party:
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Email her and give her the info/update she normally wants before she asks for it. She will think you have your crap together. Stuff like that over short term will clear the path.
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Why would I email her an update on things at 8AMish when in theory we should have had an update meeting the previous day at 4PM and the next one is at 930AM? Like why can't she just wait till the rough ridin' meeting? That's the point of the meeting.
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Your earlier emails stated that you don't think she understands. She is obvsly trying to get a handle on it so she doesn't look like a fool in the meeting. Help that.
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Why would I email her an update on things at 8AMish when in theory we should have had an update meeting the previous day at 4PM and the next one is at 930AM? Like why can't she just wait till the rough ridin' meeting? That's the point of the meeting.
Is she the highest rank in the meeting? If not, she is trying to make sure you don't say anything that she gets surprised by in front of her boss.
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I'm thinking the snarky responses worked because we went from 5 emails to 0 in just one day. Ima just do that if this arises again.
FWIW, I would act differently if I were pursuing a lengthy career here.
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Why would I email her an update on things at 8AMish when in theory we should have had an update meeting the previous day at 4PM and the next one is at 930AM? Like why can't she just wait till the rough ridin' meeting? That's the point of the meeting.
Is she the highest rank in the meeting? If not, she is trying to make sure you don't say anything that she gets surprised by in front of her boss.
Sometimes. She needs to get over it. It's not like it's her fault if something changes between 4PM on a Monday and 930 AM on a Tuesday.
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I'm thinking the snarky responses worked because we went from 5 emails to 0 in just one day. Ima just do that if this arises again.
FWIW, I would act differently if I were pursuing a lengthy career here.
Would you react differently if your boss were a man?
What are your relative ages? Would you react differently if your boss was significantly older (i.e. maybe more experienced) than you?
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Sometimes. She needs to get over it. It's not like it's her fault if something changes between 4PM on a Monday and 930 AM on a Tuesday.
Her boss may not see it that way or react according to that logic. Or perhaps she's had bosses in the past that reacted badly to that situation. She just started right? Maybe once she sees how this office works she will adjust accordingly.
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What happened to the old boss?
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I'm thinking the snarky responses worked because we went from 5 emails to 0 in just one day. Ima just do that if this arises again.
FWIW, I would act differently if I were pursuing a lengthy career here.
Would you react differently if your boss were a man?
What are your relative ages? Would you react differently if your boss was significantly older (i.e. maybe more experienced) than you?
I don't know, I've never had a male micromanager boss before. At my previous employer I had 9 different bosses in 9 years, 2 of them female, and I got along with one great and the other not so great, but at least she wasn't a micromanager, we just didn't agree on the direction of the department. Of the 7 male bosses I really liked most of them. One I hated for legitimate reasons. One I ended up not liking because he was a failure as a manager, but like I'd have beers with him or whatever, no hard feelings or anything. Good guy otherwise.
She's older than me, not sure of her age, maybe like 50 (I'm 34). She has worked her way up from like the blue collar side of the business, and I can respect that. This is the first time she's managed folks with a college degree.
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Sometimes. She needs to get over it. It's not like it's her fault if something changes between 4PM on a Monday and 930 AM on a Tuesday.
Her boss may not see it that way or react according to that logic. Or perhaps she's had bosses in the past that reacted badly to that situation. She just started right? Maybe once she sees how this office works she will adjust accordingly.
I'm not sensitive to that situation. She's going to have to get over it.
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What happened to the old boss?
He had more than two dozen direct reports including some functional managers and was overloaded. They kinda shifted who reports to whom, did hire one other manager, too. This was all spurred by "learnings" from when we had a consultant come in. The consultant was an idiot, BTW, just on cruise control before retirement.
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sounds like everyone is an idiot, but you
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I've only said two people were idiots. There are some good people here, but no doubt this is a dying company and I don't jive with the culture.
Actually the consultant thing was two people, one of whom quit just after the project completed. The other (idiot), is a huge advocate of paper files. Everything should be paper. Computers are for emails, that's it.
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I've only said two people were idiots. There are some good people here, but no doubt this is a dying company and I don't jive with the culture.
Actually the consultant thing was two people, one of whom quit just after the project completed. The other (idiot), is a huge advocate of paper files. Everything should be paper. Computers are for emails, that's it.
Were both of the consultants named Bob?
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I've only said two people were idiots. There are some good people here, but no doubt this is a dying company and I don't jive with the culture.
Actually the consultant thing was two people, one of whom quit just after the project completed. The other (idiot), is a huge advocate of paper files. Everything should be paper. Computers are for emails, that's it.
Were both of the consultants named Bob?
One Bob, one Chris. Chris sorta had a mullet thing and drove a brand new orange Dodge Charger or something like that.
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I've gotten burned out on every full time job I've ever had within a year. I think it probably has to do with the jobs I choose to accept, but I think I also just hold an extreme dislike for working (at jobs, especially for someone else/ a company, not getting crap done in other ways). It's totally a -- up to this point -- necessary evil.
I never got the same feeling with part-time jobs.
eff me.
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Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
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:thumbs:
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Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?
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No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:
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I'm thinking the snarky responses worked because we went from 5 emails to 0 in just one day. Ima just do that if this arises again.
FWIW, I would act differently if I were pursuing a lengthy career here.
Would you react differently if your boss were a man?
What are your relative ages? Would you react differently if your boss was significantly older (i.e. maybe more experienced) than you?
I don't know, I've never had a male micromanager boss before. At my previous employer I had 9 different bosses in 9 years, 2 of them female, and I got along with one great and the other not so great, but at least she wasn't a micromanager, we just didn't agree on the direction of the department. Of the 7 male bosses I really liked most of them. One I hated for legitimate reasons. One I ended up not liking because he was a failure as a manager, but like I'd have beers with him or whatever, no hard feelings or anything. Good guy otherwise.
She's older than me, not sure of her age, maybe like 50 (I'm 34). She has worked her way up from like the blue collar side of the business, and I can respect that. This is the first time she's managed folks with a college degree.
I am in management (one boss above me in the organization), and have just over 70 staff directly under my supervision. I do not micromanage, as I trust my folks to do what they are hired to do. And I manage the reviews honestly and directly. On a day-to-day basis I am clear in my expectations, and conference with those who are not meeting them.
However, I don't want to go to any meetings where I will be surprised by the folks under my supervision. I expect communication prior to meetings, particularly if I sent out the agenda in advance. I have staff much older than I and some who were not born when I started by career. I don't think it is unreasonable to communicate both directions; my staff knows they may be honest with me about their assessments of my decisions. They also know that as management, the decision becomes mine after getting whatever input is shared. From the outside I may appear to be hard to work for, but I believe that most of my staff is confident that my decisions are always based on what is best for the organization and the folks we impact.
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Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?
I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.
No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:
Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
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Can I program a Nest 3 to run the heat pump during the day and then switch to gas every night?
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Big DDoS
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Can I program a Nest 3 to run the heat pump during the day and then switch to gas every night?
I'll have to look at the setup, but it's usually based on outdoor temperature vice time of day.
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Be careful about installing a nest with an older geothermal heat pump system. I hooked ours up and it worked great for about 4 months. Late this summer, it developed an issue where it wouldn't trip the solenoid that allows well water to flow through our system. After having a qualified nest installer look at the situation, he said that it looked like there was a small power backfeed issue which caused the thermostat to not function correctly. He said it was pretty common for older systems. We switched back to a regular thermostat for the time being. When the time comes to replace the system, I will go back to a nest.
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Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?
I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.
No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:
Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
What additional hardware does the Gen 3 Nest have that the earlier models do not?
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Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?
I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.
No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:
Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
What additional hardware does the Gen 3 Nest have that the earlier models do not?
Improved internal components that would overheat leading to erratic operations.
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Can I program a Nest 3 to run the heat pump during the day and then switch to gas every night?
I'll have to look at the setup, but it's usually based on outdoor temperature vice time of day.
Outdoor temperature lockout only.
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Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?
I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.
No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:
Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
What additional hardware does the Gen 3 Nest have that the earlier models do not?
Improved internal components that would overheat leading to erratic operations.
If that's true, that's mumped up. They should have recalled the old ones and offered free replacements.
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canary must be loaded and drive a big car
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Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?
I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.
No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:
Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
What additional hardware does the Gen 3 Nest have that the earlier models do not?
Improved internal components that would overheat leading to erratic operations.
If that's true, that's mumped up. They should have recalled the old ones and offered free replacements.
Quit crashing the Internet u guys
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well I just got an ecobee, so I guess I'm glad I don't have to worry about that
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well I just got an ecobee, so I guess I'm glad I don't have to worry about that
Excellent choice. Phenomenal data logging capabilities. :love:
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well I just got an ecobee, so I guess I'm glad I don't have to worry about that
Excellent choice. Phenomenal data logging capabilities. :love:
cool. I will probably install this weekend, I need to use the adapter as I don't have a C-wire.
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Good grief. Corporate hiring processes are slow. New job. Bigger paycheck. Finally.
Go Cats!
now we can all buy Nests in peace?
I actually like Gen 3 Nest. They've fixed their issues.
No, now he has to push big Honeywell even more :frown:
Honeywell, Nest, Building36, Braeburn... Tell what you'd like. I'll make it happen. :)
What additional hardware does the Gen 3 Nest have that the earlier models do not?
Improved internal components that would overheat leading to erratic operations.
If that's true, that's mumped up. They should have recalled the old ones and offered free replacements.
In most industries, recalls only happen for safety issues. Funky operations are covered under warranty.
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Getting really bored with my job. Dunno what to do.
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Traveling to Denver with my boss tomorrow, was thinking about bringing it up to him. What do you buds think
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Yesterday in update meeting she asks me "so what's up with project A?" I say I just got our submittal package to review as I was leaving my desk for this meeting. Then 5 minutes later she asks "hey did you review that submittal for project A?" I'm like "you mean the one we just talked about 5 minutes ago?" "Yes." "No I haven't reviewed it yet, I've been in this meeting the last 5 minutes." "Okay."
Then I make eye contact with another PM and I'm like "wtf?!" and he like "haha wtf," <-- but like in eye contact face expressions only.
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lib sometimes the natural step after you master your job and start getting bored is to start spending some time making your job better, process improvement type stuff.
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maybe invest less time and effort in your job and spend more time rough ridin' around on the internet?
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#blocked
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Lib, what do you want as the resolution to your boredom issue? Have a solution in mind before you bring it up with your boss.
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I have done that Emo and I have now moved on to the sys approach
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Lib, what do you want as the resolution to your boredom issue? Have a solution in mind before you bring it up with your boss.
My solution is a different job, but that is complicated
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Lib, what do you want as the resolution to your boredom issue? Have a solution in mind before you bring it up with your boss.
My solution is a different job, but that is complicated
Another job within the same company?
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Ideally
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Does that other job include rough ridin' around on the internet?
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I couldn't support lib moving to that job if it didn't.
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Ideally
Then there is no reason to mention it to your boss.
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Why
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i'm glad i could help, liblib.
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Why
Oh crap. Sorry I read your answer wrong. (Or I forget how I phrased the question.) I was thinking you wanted to leave the company.
If you want another job within the same company, then yes tell your boss. But have what other job you want in mind. Would your current boss be the boss of the other job you want?
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bored at work? cool- the MW2 remastered maps release tomorrow. just play them or overwatch for 11 months or so, that's what i'd do
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tell your boss you're going to have his head on a pike
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i haven't shown up to work all week. also haven't called or emailed to tell anyone i won't be showing up. feels incredible, but also like it might be a little weird if i do finally go in later today or tomorrow. can't decide whether to risk it or if it would be better to not show up tomorrow either.
have been responding to work related emails promptly from my house.
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We're growing like crazy right now at my work. It's been pretty fun and stressful at the same time. We're extending our practices up into Chicago now, so i'm pretty stoked about that, because I'm bored of Indianapolis and Denver right now. However, with this growth, I had to hand over Kentucky to our new doctor recruiter. :( It was liking giving away a beautiful baby. I really enjoy Louisville. Oh well.
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Why
Oh crap. Sorry I read your answer wrong. (Or I forget how I phrased the question.) I was thinking you wanted to leave the company.
If you want another job within the same company, then yes tell your boss. But have what other job you want in mind. Would your current boss be the boss of the other job you want?
No he would not. It would be a different department.
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I can't even imagine how stressful it is hiring dentists. What a logistical nightmare.
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You're right, you wouldn't understand.
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Getting really bored with my job. Dunno what to do.
This is the main reason I'm changing jobs. I am very bored with my current role. Time to expand and challenge myself. More money and leadership opportunities are just gravy on the challenge biscuit.
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I can't even imagine how stressful it is hiring dentists. What a logistical nightmare.
such is the life of a traveling doctor recruiter
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What do you guys do KC and M^2? I bet it's something amazing too because cats.
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meow meow sells grain seed or fertilizer or something like that. kc runs a State Farm office.
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Kim is a dentist I think.
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Mm is probably a soulless cubicle warrior in some massive company
KC is probably a venture capitalist
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I know you just got a raise Lib. Is there any opportunities for advancement or more projects that you might be interested in taking over? More responsibilities to keep you going?
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I need a good 5 day weekend.
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What do you guys do KC and M^2? I bet it's something amazing too because cats.
lawyer recruiter
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I need a good 5 day weekend.
did you see where i haven't gone to work this week (making today day five of my weekend)? might be worth trying.
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That sounds great sys. I have a lot of leeway here, but I don't think I could do that
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yeah, i don't think i can either.
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What do you guys do KC and M^2? I bet it's something amazing too because cats.
lawyer recruiter
You're apparently good at lying, so that would make sense. :love:
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What do you guys do KC and M^2? I bet it's something amazing too because cats.
lawyer recruiter
You're apparently good at lying, so that would make sense. :love:
:dubious:
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Spracs is a lawyer? :Lurk: :thumbs:
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probably, he seems pretty good at lying his ass off
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probably, he seems pretty good at lying his ass off
remember when he told everyone he's black? yeah, as if :rolleyes:
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I need a good 5 day weekend.
did you see where i haven't gone to work this week (making today day five of my weekend)? might be worth trying.
I bet i could miss two maybe the days before it got serious
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how many days do you think chum1 could miss before it was a problem? like 20?
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I bet i could miss two maybe the days before it got serious
that's a four day weekend, chingon!
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Sys, what is going on? You did not go to work but are still responding to work emails? In the emails, did anyone ask you why you haven't gone to work?
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Responding to work emails sounds alot like work.
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@sys is conditioning his manager to value his performance, not his presence.
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if they would give me remote access to our servers, I could work from home. i don't think that would be ideal for me, though.
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Sometime next summer, I am transitioning to a home office. It's going to be great! I am out and about much of the day for work, but being able to come back and do my estimates from my laptop on my deck overlooking my tranquil back yard is going to be super great.
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Oak mites doe.
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I am, evidently, mostly impervious. While my wife and kids are getting ravaged by them, I have only had one all summer! :billdance:
Suck it, mites!
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i am also impervious to unicorn gorings
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i am also impervious to unicorn gorings
I bet that feels pretty great!
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Sys, what is going on? You did not go to work but are still responding to work emails? In the emails, did anyone ask you why you haven't gone to work?
nope, no one has asked.
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i would be in trouble if i did not show up. unless i informed somebody that i was using a sick day, but i only have so many of those
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I hope this saga continues. I want to see if he can go on indefinitely.
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@sys
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117
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If I didn't show up for even like 10 minutes I would be in major troubs.
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I hope this saga continues. I want to see if he can go on indefinitely.
today's the last day. i have to do billable work that requires a physical presence next week.
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@sys
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117
that guy's a hero.
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If I didn't show up for even like 10 minutes I would be in major troubs.
I was an hour late today. I'm going to leave an hour early today. Nothing will be said about it.
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Last week my new boss complained about me coming in late and leaving early. I defended the practice by stating that even if I were here 12 hours a day I wouldn't get done what she expects me to get done. She did not refute that.
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did she complain to you or to someone else?
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To me. We were arguing over her style of management.
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oh. if she just complained in retaliation for you complaining about something she does then that's fine.
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Ya I'm not going to alter anything. I couldn't even if I wanted to anyway.
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Have any of you experienced your best friend at work/colleague who does what you do, getting promoted to manager? We canned our other one two weeks ago and now my boy is going to move into that roll. We also fired our other person in our position today, so now i'm on a lonely island of recruiting for 4 regions until we hire some more doctor recruiters. My life is over for the next few months. Yikes!
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Ideally
new job, or new location (Denver?)
honestly, if I was a full time estimator I'd be bored to death. You thinking PM?
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Ideally
new job, or new location (Denver?)
honestly, if I was a full time estimator I'd be bored to death. You thinking PM?
Pretty much where I'm at.
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did you see where i haven't gone to work this week (making today day five of my weekend)?
they fired two people in my office today, neither of whom was me.
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:D
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how many days do you think chum1 could miss before it was a problem? like 20?
Do I call in? What reason do I give and when do I give it?
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No call/no show.
Sys was brave enough for 4 days, can you beat it?
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I could maybe go two weeks and not get fired without even responding to work email. It would be noticed pretty much right away, I'd get lectured over it, but I'd survive with a whopper of an excuse. The thing that makes it tough is that the CFO will have a problem with paying for someone who is not there.
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I feel for you that must be in the office daily. I'd lose my mind. Manager told me and day he didn't care if I was on the beach as long as the phone was answered.
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Starting to dabble in this. Went home at 2 yesterday unannounced. No one has said anything yet.
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What kind of jobs do you people have that you can just not show up at work?
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What kind of jobs do you people have that you can just not show up at work?
They're really trying hard to fanning brag about how much these lazy POS can get away with at work. It's really bizarre.
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The company I work for is a joke. It's embarrassing. Terrible management.
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We recently let a person go because they lied on their weekly report. I mean it was a bunch of other stuff, but this was the final nail in the coffin. They don't micromanage us here, but don't give false reports. For example: saying you made over a 100 calls in a week, when your phone is accessible and it says you only made 6 and half of those numbers are area numbers. :lol:
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What kind of jobs do you people have that you can just not show up at work?
They're really trying hard to fanning brag about how much these lazy POS can get away with at work. It's really bizarre.
Really it's about how efficient we are (at least me) with our time. Had I stayed longer yesterday I'm not sure what I could have accomplished.
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I guess I've had more PTO to know what to do with in this last year, so I feel guilty when i'm not producing on the clock. I also have a very front heavy position, so that's also where the guilt can kick in being gone too long.
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I have crap PTO. It sucks. I can't wait to get out of here for that reason alone.
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I'm in a sales support role. The bulk of my time is on the phone or quoting special projects. I don't need to be in an office to do my job and my manager doesn't expect it.
I do meet with clients on targeted sales calls a few times s week. So the majority of my time is spent in my three state territory. Excursions to the beach or mountains are not the norm but it does happen.
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Starting to dabble in this. Went home at 2 yesterday unannounced. No one has said anything yet.
I do this a lot. For the most part I can make my own schedule though. I have 5-6 deadlines a month and as long as I hit those deadlines no one cares about anything
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I have crap PTO. It sucks. I can't wait to get out of here for that reason alone.
When my mom was fighting through her cancer this year, they let me stay at the hospital all week without docking me anything. It was pretty amazing. They knew I had used a lot for my wedding and honeymoon too and they wanted to be with me through that time.
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Since I drew this special elk tag I wanted to take an extra week off unpaid. My boss didn't know how to do that so I went to HR. They were gutless, said "have to check with corporate." They basically came back and said no. I asked for copy of employee handbook. "We don't have one." "We're a seven billion dollar company without an employee handbook? "Yes." What's the policy on paternity leave? "Two weeks. I think it's two weeks. Yes, I think so." :facepalm:
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:sdeek:
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Lol. That's nuts.
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Lol
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we sure don't appreciate elk hunting time like the danes do
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hahaha
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Since I drew this special elk tag I wanted to take an extra week off unpaid. My boss didn't know how to do that so I went to HR. They were gutless, said "have to check with corporate." They basically came back and said no. I asked for copy of employee handbook. "We don't have one." "We're a seven billion dollar company without an employee handbook? "Yes." What's the policy on paternity leave? "Two weeks. I think it's two weeks. Yes, I think so." :facepalm:
if you're an exempt employee, short of firing you there isn't much they can do about it.
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This isn't the Danes. That was my old job (which I miss, which had an employee handbook, 4.5 weeks of vacay, 2 weeks paternity, basically awesome, but was underpaid probably).
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that's why i typed what i did
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Ah, right. :facepalm:
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Starting to dabble in this. Went home at 2 yesterday unannounced. No one has said anything yet.
I do this a lot. For the most part I can make my own schedule though. I have 5-6 deadlines a month and as long as I hit those deadlines no one cares about anything
DO NOT GIVE THIS UP TO BE A PM!
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Super boring tho
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Since I drew this special elk tag I wanted to take an extra week off unpaid. My boss didn't know how to do that so I went to HR. They were gutless, said "have to check with corporate." They basically came back and said no. I asked for copy of employee handbook. "We don't have one." "We're a seven billion dollar company without an employee handbook? "Yes." What's the policy on paternity leave? "Two weeks. I think it's two weeks. Yes, I think so." :facepalm:
if you're an exempt employee, short of firing you there isn't much they can do about it.
Ya I ended up taking off some days anyway. Got sick.
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Super boring tho
Find several things outside of work that you like and dig in, or go work somewhere smaller where you can be estimator and a PM on projects.
PM, in my experience, can swing you to the far opposite end of the spectrum for pretty similar money.
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I'm posting this in here because it reminded me of all you guys who can get away with not going to work.
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I'm posting this in here because it reminded me of all you guys who can get away with not going to workwho don't work, but get a paycheck.
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Fixed your post
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Complete misuse of tealizard
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Holy crap at emo's company
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The bureaucracy of my company sucks (80,000+ employees so to be expected), but i do get 5 weeks of PTO, 8 holidays(1 floating, so can be used just about any day), 2 weeks of paternity, and every other friday off. So I can't complain about that.
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@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Yikes
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If u guys don't like your job then quit, otherwise the rest of us don't want to hear about it. Ya know?
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@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:
I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
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@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:
I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
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@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:
I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.
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@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:
I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
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@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:
I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
Well you'd be very surprised then.
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@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:
I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
Well you'd be very surprised then.
Isn't there like 100% traceability requirement?
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@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:
I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
Well you'd be very surprised then.
Isn't there like 100% traceability requirement?
Correct but people buy from people with minimal certifications if any. It's really quite scary when you see how the sausage (planes) are made. Also there are people like Mrs. Gooch doing very technical crap on them. She couldn't even figure out how to open the garage door when the electricity went out. :lol:
Edit - In all fairness Mrs's Gooch doesn't build them she breaks them or tells them when it will break.
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@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:
I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
Well you'd be very surprised then.
Isn't there like 100% traceability requirement?
Correct but people buy from people with minimal certifications if any. It's really quite scary when you see how the sausage (planes) are made. Also there are people like Mrs. Gooch doing very technical crap on them. She couldn't even figure out how to open the garage door when the electricity went out. :lol:
:dubious:
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@michigancat, we were having an ISO audit, and mgmt found out we weren't following our own standards/procedures, so they went and obsoleted everything that they knew we weren't following. Because I guess it's better not to have a defined process than to know you're not following a defined process. I found this out because as part of a contract requirement I was supposed to send info on some processes to a customer, and I got in the document and everything had big red X across the whole page and the words OBSOLETE. :facepalm: / :lol: / :facepalm: :facepalm:
I worked at a VERY mumped up aircraft parts manufacturer and not even those idiots would have tried something this stupid.
I'd have to believe there are a lot of safety/federal regulations involved in aircraft.
But yes this is pretty stupid, not discounting that.
ISO is ISO bud. doesn't matter if you build widgets or jet engines.
Ya but I'm sure aircraft folks comply with stuff other than ISO.
Well you'd be very surprised then.
Isn't there like 100% traceability requirement?
Correct but people buy from people with minimal certifications if any. It's really quite scary when you see how the sausage (planes) are made. Also there are people like Mrs. Gooch doing very technical crap on them. She couldn't even figure out how to open the garage door when the electricity went out. :lol:
:dubious:
I made an edit.
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:lol:
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In my company's defense I bet a lot of people here could both break an airplane and operate a garage door without electricity.
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Breaking it is the easy part. Knowing when it is and when it isn't going to break is the hard part.
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crap, i could break a plane and i don't know anything about planes
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Breaking it is the easy part. Knowing when it is and when it isn't going to break is the hard part.
Cool job! Destructive engineering has always been something that I've found to be pretty neat focus.
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Company Christmas party is at THE DOTTE SPOT BAR AND GRILL!!! :excited:
http://www.thedottespotbarandgrill.com/
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81st and Parallel has got it going on. Was Danny's too expensive or something?
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Company Christmas party is at THE DOTTE SPOT BAR AND GRILL!!! :excited:
http://www.thedottespotbarandgrill.com/
They had me at complimentary pork rinds.
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*Spray tan not included with order of buffalo wings*
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So I had a phone interview for a job in California today, and it went pretty well, but the question of how much time I would need to give notice and get moved was asked and I had not even thought about that. I know a few of you have made big moves like that for employment, how much time did you take? What complications did you hit?
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i'd say it depends on a few things. you don't want to leave your current employer in a bind, is there others who can pick up where you left off?
i guess what i'm saying is to avoid burning a bridge if possible but always look out for #1 first. try to appease both sides if possible, if not, then make the new employer happy while trying to not make current employer too mad.
2 weeks is standard, a lot of employers accept 2 weeks and walk you out after 1 day. if this was the screening interview or 1st interview, you've got a long way to go. also tell them you can get moved quicker if they help financially, temp housing/points on house/moving expenses, etc.
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I gave 2 months last time I did that, but was pm'ing a large project that needed transition time. If you don't have something like that going, how often do you get paid? Give that much notice. That way you don't find yourself out of a paycheck.
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two weeks for the notice and then however much time you want to move.
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the people in charge of my job told me (and everyone else) at the all-staff meeting that they'll be cutting the 401k match from 50% to 33% for next year. motherfuckers.
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Lmao
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two weeks for the notice and then however much time you want to move.
I said 6-8 weeks total but that seems really long.
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two weeks for the notice and then however much time you want to move.
I said 6-8 weeks total but that seems really long.
Can you break your lease early?
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Yes, that's not a problem at all
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the people in charge of my job told me (and everyone else) at the all-staff meeting that they'll be cutting the 401k match from 50% to 33% for next year. motherfuckers.
Sounds about right. Especially if most of you are just sitting at home for weeks on end and not showing up to work. Glad they finally grew some balls.
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Just make it's clear you can adjust as needed, but you'd like to make sure you leave your old job on good terms. If they're interviewing someone halfway across the country, there's a good chance they have some flexibility as well.
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So I had a phone interview for a job in California today, and it went pretty well, but the question of how much time I would need to give notice and get moved was asked and I had not even thought about that. I know a few of you have made big moves like that for employment, how much time did you take? What complications did you hit?
2 weeks minimum. In your case, if you have a major project you may be the lead on, I'd either offer to stay until it is complete (assuming it's a typical bid cycle), or let them know ASAP so it may be reassigned. I saw below you said 6-8 weeks, yeah, that's a bit of stretch IMHO given your role.
I gave my last employer 4 weeks notice due to my role and the fact he fired my only cohort right before I gave notice (I mean, like the day before) and I was also basically his IT person. He tried hard to get me to stay, but ended up never replacing either of us.
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Yeah, the notice is no problem given what I do, I was more wondering about the moving part. I've never moved more than an hour or so away so I was wondering if people had unexpected problems or things they would do differently.
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Yeah, the notice is no problem given what I do, I was more wondering about the moving part. I've never moved more than an hour or so away so I was wondering if people had unexpected problems or things they would do differently.
Depends on whether or not the company offers a relocation package. Usually those come with a period of temp housing so you can move a little faster. If they are telling you up front there's none of that you'll definitely need more time. But just communicate - if they like you, they'll make it work.
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You're going to love California.
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When I moved from KC to Milwaukee (same company, so didn't stop working my old job until the day I packed the Uhaul), I think I accepted the new position in mid November and moved the first week of January. I got a small compensation package which covered the cost of the Uhaul, gas, and flight to check out homes, etc..(Keep receipts as all of this is deductible from your taxes as well) The hardest part is finding a place to live. I was working an on-site project in Michigan at the time so I would drive over on weekends and try to look at places. I would definitely ask if they offer any moving compensation (moving your stuff, travel out there to check out places to live, etc...) As for time. Since getting out of the lease isn't an issue, it's basically your standard 2 weeks for your current job and then the extra time you think it will take to secure a place to live and move yourself there. An extra 2-4 weeks isn't unreasonable.
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moving is a giant pain in the ass. taking 6-8 weeks doesn't seem excessive to me at all. have you/are you going to accept and where in california is it? if in the valley or coastal fresno, i may see you at work (please don't talk to me).
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San Jose.
And I'm not sure if I'd accept, have to see what the pay is like. I definitely have a minimum amount in mind to keep a similar quality of life, and that minimum falls right at "average" for the title and location, but I don't know how much faith to put in salary reporting sites (like glassdoor).
There are some other factors too, but pay would probably be the largest decider, San Jose is stupidly expensive.
And if I ever see you sys, I'm going to give you a big aspie on aspie hug
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comparing QoL in san jose to QoL in crime infested waldo isn't a valid comparo because your life will be led differently in both areas
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Your rent is going to be at least 3k and it will be a dump
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3 weeks is more than enough. Two weeks for your current employer and then you can get packed and moved in a week, easy. It's not like you've got kids to get into new schools or anything. Get on apartments.com and find something in your budget reasonably close to your office. Unless you have super nice furniture that you just bought, I would sell it and not bother moving anything but the bare minimum.
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san jose col will kill you. i don't know how people live there. you should prolly pad whatever your figure is even a little more. decent climate, tho.
people i know that try to commute from cheaper housing hate that too. it's no kind of life.
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Even with no dependents, you need to make at least 130k to live there
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Well Kim, that's why I have a minimum figure in mind after researching the the housing costs.
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i'd just build a lean-to in a small forest outside of san jose. shower at the gym on your way to work. also hitch hike a lot.
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One of the houses I saw was a guest house in the mountains about 20 minutes outside of sj. It looked p great but they said no dogs :Grr:
Anyway all of this has like a 10% chance of happening, I'm just a researcher by nature and like to have as much information as possible.
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One of the houses I saw was a guest house in the mountains about 20 minutes outside of sj.
20 minutes at what time of day? maybe you'd have to go in early enough that traffic wouldn't completely destroy your life?
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It would have been about an hour to the office in traffic.
The office is in a pretty good location geographically and I'm "budgeting" for places under 30min in traffic, so I don't expect traffic to be much of a concern for commutes between home and office. The job would include quite a bit of travel around the entire bay during the day though, so I'd probably hit more traffic issues coming back from a site visit and that's pretty much unavoidable for the region
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I don't know if I would enjoy living in the Bay much if I couldn't take bart to work every day. I definitely would enjoy it less.
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I don't know if I would enjoy living in the Bay much if I couldn't take bart to work every day. I definitely would enjoy it less.
Yes, one major drawback is this office is a mile or more from the light rail, but having a company vehicle makes that difficult to utilize anyway.
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someone ate a half burrito that i had in the office fridge. it was a burrito paid for and distributed by the company, nonetheless, it was stacked on top of other food that i'd brought from home. and i'd eaten half of it.
also, they fired another person. there's not that many people left to fire. (the fired person did not eat the half burrito).
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also, they fired another person. there's not that many people left to fire. (the fired person did not eat the half burrito).
they fired another person today. they're down to 11 people in this office. a year ago they had 18. eighteen months ago they had 23. hopefully i'll last long enough to snag an extra half burrito to make up for the one i that was stolen from me.
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this is exciting, sys. guessing today's victim is some dumbass who is there all the time?
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they can't fire you if they can't find you, tobias.
it was an administrator (secretary). they'll be back in on the professional staff next time.
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You should get a different job and see how long they keep paying you for the old one
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Govt office sys?
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Govt office sys?
don't be silly, of course not.
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You should get a different job and see how long they keep paying you for the old one
This is a great idea.
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Guys, not #fanningbragging here, just want to tell my friends on this blog the great news! So I got a bonus last month and I was happy with it. However, I had a really bad day at work yesterday and I was pretty frustrated, because I've been sicker than a dog and things had been piling up. Anyways, I've been training the new guy a lot (he's a total stud) and management has noticed. So based on my production and going the extra yard to help out, they offered me a Senior role today and another raise. :emawkid: Then he finished the meeting off by telling me my Christmas bonus is coming Friday as well. Good day for the Fanning's, guys! :cheers: Good day to be a cat alum!
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Guys, not #fanningbragging here, just want to tell my friends on this blog the great news! So I got a bonus last month and I was happy with it. However, I had a really bad day at work yesterday and I was pretty frustrated, because I've been sicker than a dog and things had been piling up. Anyways, I've been training the new guy a lot (he's a total stud) and management has noticed. So based on my production and going the extra yard to help out, they offered me a Senior role today and another raise. :emawkid: Then he finished the meeting off by telling me my Christmas bonus is coming Friday as well. Good day for the Fanning's, guys! :cheers: Good day to be a cat alum!
:cheers: try not to eff this one up...
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:ROFL: :cheers:
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nice work wacks
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Nice job, wacks
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also, this may be the gold standard for gE affecting real life
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Thanks friends and I totally agree Tobias.
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:thumbs:
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Very nice. Congratulations.
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congrats wacks on job and on getting sick. way better to be sick during the week rather than during optimal boozing times (fri-sat).
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:thumbs: Speaking of that. My schedule is wide open this weekend. :cheers:
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:thumbs: Speaking of that. My schedule is wide open this weekend. :cheers:
Say hi to my buddy in the poker room
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:thumbs: Man, I had forgotten all about that. What a night.
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I'm in the middle of an interview to create my own position. Very odd.
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Same company or new?
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I'm in the middle of an interview to create my own position. Very odd.
tell them about selflessness
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New.
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Does this one have disgusting bathrooms too?
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Sup
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Sup
Nm, u?
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This new gig is a definite change of pace. Holy impatient mofos. People act like a quote is life and death. Chill. Turn on the space heater.
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Sup
Nm, u?
i passed a v important exam so i'm pretty happy rn
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stamp that dining table
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Sup
Nm, u?
i passed a v important exam so i'm pretty happy rn
Merry Christmas... It's such a great feeling to see that result
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Sup
Nm, u?
i passed a v important exam so i'm pretty happy rn
Merry Christmas... It's such a great feeling to see that result
yes
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Good job mocat! :thumbs:
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'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
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'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
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:love: Nice work! :ksu:
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'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
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Are you asking MO(cat) what state he took it for? :Keke:
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'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
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'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
Gotcha. That's awesome man! :thumbs:
Using snail mail makes total sense for KS. I mean I don't think their mainframe infrastructure could handle an exchange server for certifications lol
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'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
Yeah this is pretty late, I took mine Oct 30 last year and got results on Dec 11th (Illinois)
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'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
Yeah this is pretty late, I took mine Oct 30 last year and got results on Dec 11th (Illinois)
grats 8mpe :cheers:
idk why i waited so long to take it (6 years :sdeek: )
c'est la vie
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I'm a n00b with engineering talk, but wouldn't you take this thing right out of college? what's the difference in pay before taking said test? Don't they still hire you on as a enginner at said company out of college, before taking this thing? I have so many questions, guys!
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you must have 4-5 years eng experience before you can take the exam
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Interesting, that makes since. Then when you pass the test, said employer bumps the crap our of your salary?
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I mean, that's kind of a big rough ridin' deal. I wouldn't last one week at the engineering school.
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Interesting, that makes since. Then when you pass the test, said employer bumps the crap our of your salary?
idk yet but i hope so!
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Engineering in any discipline is fun Wacky!
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Congrats Wacky! Maybe you can throw in a pool with that Christmas bonus, eh?
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Engineering in any discipline is fun Wacky!
I bet, I just don't have the brain for it.
Also, thanks Pett. We booked a Puerto Rico trip (had free flight coupons from my buddy), so I'll be in the pool there! :cheers:
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You can come work with me now if you want mocat
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My job title has the word engineer in it, and I was in the college of engineering. Thats all the professional I need.
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'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
Congratulations
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You can come work with me now if you want mocat
San jose sounds awful to me
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how about western shawnee?!
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'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
How hard is it to get it for multiple states after you get the first outta the way?
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'Grats! For non-engineers, can you describe what this test is for?
the test is taken to become a licensed engineer
It's actually called a PE(professional engineer) but I think mocat is just being modest.
What state did you take it for?
kansas, because that is where i took the FE and got my degree so it was easier to transfer the required info.
my coworker took it in missouri and was notified two weeks ago via email. my notice arrived yesterday in the physical IRL mail. LOL BROWNBACK amirite
How hard is it to get it for multiple states after you get the first outta the way?
any decent state has reciprocity with any other decent state. stay away from hobo states
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How about a j-stamp?
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someone ate a half burrito that i had in the office fridge. it was a burrito paid for and distributed by the company, nonetheless, it was stacked on top of other food that i'd brought from home. and i'd eaten half of it.
i have acquired a full burrito that i am storing in my cubicle. there are five identical full burritos in the fridge, which i believe to be unclaimed. if i were to take one of the fridge burritos, it would provide me with full recompense, with interest, for my stolen half burrito. however, i might be erroneously stealing someone's claimed burrito.
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"adventures in sys's work refrigerator" would be a decent enough blog
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i bet it was joe rogan
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someone ate a half burrito that i had in the office fridge. it was a burrito paid for and distributed by the company, nonetheless, it was stacked on top of other food that i'd brought from home. and i'd eaten half of it.
i have acquired a full burrito that i am storing in my cubicle. there are five identical full burritos in the fridge, which i believe to be unclaimed. if i were to take one of the fridge burritos, it would provide me with full recompense, with interest, for my stolen half burrito. however, i might be erroneously stealing someone's claimed burrito.
from where did the burritos originate? a local taqueria? a grocery store?
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they're from whole foods. filled with eggs and some other stuff that i can't remember.
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If they are unclaimed, how did they get in the fridge?
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i believe that the person responsible for purchasing the burritos gathered up the unclaimed burritos and put them in the fridge.
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So someone at the office buys burritos at Whole Foods for everyone at the entire office? And leftovers/unclaimed burritos go into the fridge?
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This is very confusing
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Sys, go eat half of every one of them.
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i believe that the person responsible for purchasing the burritos gathered up the unclaimed burritos and put them in the fridge.
Now you're thinking like a man whose belly is full of burritos.
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And these are egg Burritos, amazing
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He's not responding right now because he is at the fridge, stashing burritos in his clothes.
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So someone at the office buys burritos at Whole Foods for everyone at the entire office? And leftovers/unclaimed burritos go into the fridge?
only on the first monday of the month (all staff meeting day). i was caught off guard today because i thought it would be cancelled since monday was a holiday, but they held it today instead and i had already eaten breakfast at home.
i'm not sure on the disposition of unclaimed burritos, i've never seen them in this fridge before, but in previous months they may have been stored in a different fridge that is no longer in regular use.
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He's not responding right now because he is at the fridge, stashing burritos in his clothes.
i have not yet taken a second burrito.
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Bring a cooler tomorrow and take home a weeks worth of lunch.
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Bring a cooler tomorrow and take home a weeks worth of lunch.
i'll be amazed if they are still there tomorrow.
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i bet it was joe rogan
:Wha:
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they fired so many people they had to consolidate fridges?
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they fired so many people they had to consolidate fridges?
yes.
update: i went back to fix a cup of tea and see how the burritos were doing. one had been removed (prob eaten), one had been half eaten and the remainder moved to a higher shelf and a third burrito (whole burrito) had been moved to the highest shelf and placed atop a food stack. good luck to that trusting soul. i removed my second burrito and have now secured it in my cubicle.
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they fired so many people they had to consolidate fridges?
yes.
update: i went back to fix a cup of tea and see how the burritos were doing. one had been removed (prob eaten), one had been half eaten and the remainder moved to a higher shelf and a third burrito (whole burrito) had been moved to the highest shelf and placed atop a food stack. good luck to that trusting soul. i removed my second burrito and have now secured it in my cubicle.
You should get a minifridge and keep it at your desk
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You should get a minifridge and keep it at your desk
they'd fire me if i was around enough to get value out of it.
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:lol:
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:surprised:
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/pf/2017/01/05/best-jobs-2017/index.html
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Well folks, I accepted a new job offer.
Pluses: Way more pay
Minuses: Less vacation.
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Have any of you experienced your best friend at work/colleague who does what you do, getting promoted to manager? We canned our other one two weeks ago and now my boy is going to move into that roll. We also fired our other person in our position today, so now i'm on a lonely island of recruiting for 4 regions until we hire some more doctor recruiters. My life is over for the next few months. Yikes!
I would not wish this on my worst enemies, guys! He's totally changed and it's been really stuffy around here. All the things he said he disliked about our past manager, he does x10. Micro manages, talks over ppl, is super fake and overly nice to the new ppl, and he tries to act like a hard ass now. I still like my job, but i'm less motivated these days.
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It's business, man. Don't take it personal.
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It's business, man. Don't take it personal.
:thumbs: I know man, it just sucks. I'll be fine. I know he's super stressed too.
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I don't make friends with the people I work with, very simple solution
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We travel together a lot and we took pride in breaking our companies record for most doctors hired in a year last year. You tend to bond with someone like that, when you're both shooting for a common goal together. It is what it is tho. I think I just need a vacation soon.
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Go somewhere warm before this apocalypse ice storm wacky :ohno:
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Mrs wacky and I still have two plane tickets to anywhere in the states southwest flys. I'm talking to her tonight so we can gtfooh for a few days to a week. Might fly into L.A. to see my buddy and then maybe just drive up the coast.
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I've been feeling the same way bud. Winter is a grind on the soul
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I've been feeling the same way bud. Winter is a grind on the soul
It really is. Seasonal depression, right?
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I don't make friends with the people I work with, very simple solution
This. I keep it distinctly separated. It helps that I work from home.
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I've been feeling the same way bud. Winter is a grind on the soul
It really is. Seasonal depression, right?
It's a mother rough ridin' bitch, guys.
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Confirmed.
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I am feeling that too. I get next to nothing done outside of work during the cold, dark winters. I don't even use my gym membership, which seems like a waste until golfing is possible. Hoping for a few warmer days throuout this winter until the time change. At least some sun during the days.
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The idea that having to go through a ton of interviews adds legitimacy to a position or company is laughable.
Please elaborate
It likely shows that you are meeting with the wrong people, or they are very indecisive. 2, maybe 3, interviews is reasonable, but 5 wastes a lot of people's time.
ok I agree. I think 3 is the perfect number.
11 :sdeek:
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Are you becoming a CEO, dlew? Yikes!
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Eleven!
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I met 8-9 different people when I interviewed for my job, but I would only consider it 2 interviews.
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Law firm interviews are different. Even for law students, it's pretty normal to "interview" with 10+ people among a screening interview and a call-back interview. Granted, most of those are mere associates, sometimes multiple at a time, and usually 20-30 minutes a piece.
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Yeah. I had an initial screener with hiring partner. Got a call-back where I met for 30 minutes a piece with 6 people (4 partners, 2 associates), and I'm meeting with them again next week for what they said would be about 2 hours - so I'm assuming 4 more people.
Honestly I assumed that I'd hear one way or the other after the call back, but regardless, pretty excited about this.
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Yeah. I had an initial screener with hiring partner. Got a call-back where I met for 30 minutes a piece with 6 people (4 partners, 2 associates), and I'm meeting with them again next week for what they said would be about 2 hours - so I'm assuming 4 more people.
Honestly I assumed that I'd hear one way or the other after the call back, but regardless, pretty excited about this.
Hope you get it! I lucked into one of those biglaw jobs my 1L summer, and I'll probs just ride that sombitch into permanent--such that it is--employment.
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Though come to think of it, I only interviewed with two (2!) people to get that job. :lol:
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Ride that train. Much easier to stay in that club than it is to get in after school.
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i interned with a federal judge from the 9th circuit which was great - bad news was traveling to sacramento on the regular and preparing for epa arguments. BAD! anywho, she was a decent lay but we had to break it off when her husband found out. case closed on the internship and job afterwards
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That's tough clams, sorry to hear that. I guess it's true, monogamy is too cruel a rule.
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Bonus at the new job is 4 times what is was at the old job :love:
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Resume advice. Good free sites? Templates? Other advice. Will be retail, warehouse, nothing too skilled. I'll apply to jobs that I'm not qualified for as well in an attempt to get an interview where I always do well. I'll end up having to make a lateral most likely but always good to challenge oneself.
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i just searched jobs listings for jobs i was looking for and took the skills that they wanted and added them to my resume
you can find a million templates online, no one should ever create one from scratch
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I just handed in Michigancat's resume to get my job.
But all joking aside, I definitely had a few ppl close to me help me out SdK. If you want, you can send me what you have, and I can try and help. I look at resume's all day long.
Even having someone you admire and asking to look at theirs helped me.
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If there are any apostrophes in your resume, don't trust Wacky.
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Hahaha @Mrs.Gooch. I'll be posting for a wide range of jobs from Topeka to KC. Preferably paying 17 dollars or more. If I have to go to KC for that I'll commute. I have 5 years of college education. 2 years at a Juco and 3 and Washburn. I'd love to just go back to school but not really the time for it. Worked a wide range of jobs but all entry level. If you consider being lead housekeeper for 3 years and running a siding crew management. I have that skill too. Hard working. Positive. And a leader. Etc.
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i just searched jobs listings for jobs i was looking for and took the skills that they wanted and added them to my resume
you can find a million templates online, no one should ever create one from scratch
I'd imagine we were looking for different types of jobs given our income gap. But I'll definitely take this advice. Thank you. And I'm sure you have a degree. This would all be a lot easier if I had one.
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I just handed in Michigancat's resume to get my job.
But all joking aside, I definitely had a few ppl close to me help me out SdK. If you want, you can send me what you have, and I can try and help. I look at resume's all day long.
Even having someone you admire and asking to look at theirs helped me.
Canary is going to help me. He has a BS and two Masters. I just like to cast a wide net for advice. When I get one finished I'll send it your way. I'll just look for typos. :)
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I posted my resume for review on a message board for people in my industry and the concensus was it's "all over the place" and that I don't sell myself. Probably fair criticism, but no one would offer advice on how to improve it so now I'm just like :dunno:
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My mom is my editor. :D
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I posted my resume for review on a message board for people in my industry and the concensus was it's "all over the place" and that I don't sell myself. Probably fair criticism, but no one would offer advice on how to improve it so now I'm just like :dunno:
I would look at what specific items are important to the job you are applying for and expand on those. Take things you've done in the past that they won't really care about and take them off the resume. Of course, save an old copy of your current resume so you have something that is easy to work with if you ever apply for a job where those things might matter more.
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Just had the first skype interview of my life.
I can't tell if it went great or terrible.
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tru tv: i put my office chili cook off champion title on my resume. kiss the rings
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tru tv: i put my office chili cook off champion title on my resume. kiss the rings
there's a reason why they exiled you to halfway around the world
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Phone interview Tuesday ya'all
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I'm hoping I hear from a few more as well. More applications this weekend. I'd like to have my pic.
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tru tv: i put my office chili cook off champion title on my resume. kiss the rings
there's a reason why they exiled you to halfway around the world
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I posted my resume for review on a message board for people in my industry and the concensus was it's "all over the place" and that I don't sell myself. Probably fair criticism, but no one would offer advice on how to improve it so now I'm just like :dunno:
michigancat gave me some good pointers
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Just had the first skype interview of my life.
I can't tell if it went great or terrible.
I can't imagine a skype interview.
I interviewed on 2 phone interviews for the recent job offer I had. First met in person with my buddy (VP) and an old college prof (Pres) informally, then had a phone interview with a VP of a large contractor that is a sister company to the hiring company and the Pres of hiring company and someone else from the ownership group, then did about 5 hours of online screening including a 90 minute psych profile, then a phone interview with a VP of the ownership group ($2B), the hiring company Pres, and a VP from yet another sister company.
I couldn't imagine doing all that on video. So awkward.
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i couldn't imagine doing all that period
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Tobias is the goalie from Miracle.
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just use headhunters, imo. let the pros do all the annoying dirty work.
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i couldn't imagine doing all that period
I was surprised. I've never worked for a large corporation, so I thought that the local company culture was still going to be small timey, but the $2B ownership company has it's fingers in everything the $50mil company does. Very disappointing. The above process took about 6 weeks to get through by the way to the point I received the offer, and I was the sole candidate.
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I posted my resume for review on a message board for people in my industry and the concensus was it's "all over the place" and that I don't sell myself. Probably fair criticism, but no one would offer advice on how to improve it so now I'm just like :dunno:
michigancat gave me some good pointers
Ironically the only positive feedback was on the part mc had me change.
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i couldn't imagine doing all that period
I was surprised. I've never worked for a large corporation, so I thought that the local company culture was still going to be small timey, but the $2B ownership company has it's fingers in everything the $50mil company does. Very disappointing. The above process took about 6 weeks to get through by the way to the point I received the offer, and I was the sole candidate.
that's called leverage my guy
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I did a video interview a couple weeks ago. Their camera fell off the wall so I was staring at the floor for a couple minutes. Back in college looking for my first job out of school I did a phone interview with a company in Atlanta. They allowed dogs in the office apparently and every 20 seconds a dog would start barking.
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I've accepted a position in Topeka and am moving my family back to Kansas in a few weeks. Anything good going on in Topeka?
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Turn back now. There was a triple homicide on Sunday.
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I've accepted a position in Topeka and am moving my family back to Kansas in a few weeks. Anything good going on in Topeka?
move them to MHK, and commute. that is, if you love them.
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Don't live in Topeka. Lawrence or MHK.
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Can confirm MHK is a good choice
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Topeka is fine
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I posted my resume for review on a message board for people in my industry and the concensus was it's "all over the place" and that I don't sell myself. Probably fair criticism, but no one would offer advice on how to improve it so now I'm just like :dunno:
michigancat gave me some good pointers
Ironically the only positive feedback was on the part mc had me change.
lol whoops! :lol:
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No, I mean yours was the only good part
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Living outside of Shawnee county isn't an option for us unfortunately or a commute would be a possibility. (even though I despise driving). I am excited to take the oldest boy to his first cats game though. (and my first in 4 years)
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No, I mean yours was the only good part
:driving:
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Topeka is fine. You just have to pick a nice neighborhood. I'd suggest the west side. That's where I live and just stay on Wanamaker and use the interstate.
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I lived near campus for a couple years and that was fine as I just worked close by was in campus a lot of the time. It wasn't a great place to live though. Hearing gunshots fairly regularly and being told to stay out of certain neighborhoods after dark because I was white.
The city is what you wake it though. Lacks a lot of the youthful feeling of MHK and Lawrence. But there are good parts and it's all good.
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Payless tried to recruit me that direction a couple of years ago. They said they'd help with placement inside "45 miles". Somehow that ended up being Tonganoxie as the closest to KC and my biggest fear in life is dying from a Tornado, so I had to pass. I would suggest Lawrence.
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^^^ made up story
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i believe there's a frito lay factory in topeka, kansas
#chips
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i believe there's a frito lay factory in topeka, kansas
#chips
My best bud in the whole wide world works there. He's got more free chips than he knows what to do with
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I have a phone interview with them tomorrow.
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the opportunity to have free frito lay chips :love:
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^^^ made up story
Weird, if so.
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i believe there's a frito lay factory in topeka, kansas
#chips
My best bud in the whole wide world works there. He's got more free chips than he knows what to do with
my buddy/neighbor is in charge of production. Can confirm, chips for all events. They get a small amount free then have to buy the rest at deep discount. But they eat free in the lunch room. Also when we work there they give us chips if we want them in the lunch room.
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i believe there's a frito lay factory in topeka, kansas
#chips
My best bud in the whole wide world works there. He's got more free chips than he knows what to do with
my buddy/neighbor is in charge of production. Can confirm, chips for all events. They get a small amount free then have to buy the rest at deep discount. But they eat free in the lunch room. Also when we work there they give us chips if we want them in the lunch room.
When I worked for RF adding on to the trail mix factory in Manhattan, they gave us like 50lb Tupperwares worth of crap. I was like ok but I don't like trail mix.
Not a damn thing from Tallgrass smdh
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I was interested in working at Frito Lay out of college but decided on KC over Topeka. Probably a good idea or I'd be 300 lbs by now.
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miegecat worked at Fritolay for some time. he abruptly left the job one day to pursue an MBA.
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Anyone know what the Parker Hannefin plant in MHK does?
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Anyone know what the Parker Hannefin plant in MHK does?
Rubber hoses
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My uncle works there!
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free hoses for everyone
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Knew an EMAW guy who worked for a major beef jerky producer. Dude was rollin' in the perks.
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Favorite drink: vodka proteini
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Knew an EMAW guy who worked for a major beef jerky producer. Dude was rollin' in the perks.
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So, would making rubber hoses suck if you were living in/around MHK?
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I guess that would depend on how you were involved
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Topeka is fine. You just have to pick a nice neighborhood. I'd suggest the west side. That's where I live and just stay on Wanamaker and use the interstate.
we'll eventually try to find some land on the outskirts of town.
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Seaman and Washburn rural are both good school districts and you'll find plenty of sub-rural houses with large lots in both
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SE of town is good too. If I were to ever move back to Topeka I would probably look outside of town on the SE. Shawnee Heights is fine.
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SE of town is good too. If I were to ever move back to Topeka I would probably look outside of town on the SE. Shawnee Heights is fine.
Where is SE? I must have never been there. All I can think of is Topeka and Kansas Blvd and yuck. Or are you talking about out by lake and Croco?
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my motto when it comes to topeka living is "live as close to baby dolls as possible"
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Topeka is fine. You just have to pick a nice neighborhood. I'd suggest the west side. That's where I live and just stay on Wanamaker and use the interstate.
we'll eventually try to find some land on the outskirts of town.
Good call. I know out west there are plenty of nice houses with land. I'm sure you'll find a great spot where ever you look and a good school district.
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my motto when it comes to topeka living is "live as close to baby dolls as possible"
Hahahaha eff that
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my motto when it comes to topeka living is "live as close to baby dolls as possible"
Hahahaha eff that
I hear the sports cab ladies go the extra mile though
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Phone interview I'm 20 minutes and I'm going to kick it straight in the face!
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SE of town is good too. If I were to ever move back to Topeka I would probably look outside of town on the SE. Shawnee Heights is fine.
Or are you talking about out by lake and Croco?
Yeah. I know some people who live out on Berryton rd. It's a nice area.
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Anyone know what the Parker Hannefin plant in MHK does?
rdphff (rick daris parker hannefin fast facts)
1) I played on a parker hannefin mprd baseball team when I was around 8.
2) a friend of mine named matt managed the whole ph place for a few years. he was from ohio and had worked with them there and then moved to mhk to manage the ph here and then got moved back a couple of years ago. still works for them I think.
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SE of town is good too. If I were to ever move back to Topeka I would probably look outside of town on the SE. Shawnee Heights is fine.
Or are you talking about out by lake and Croco?
Yeah. I know some people who live out on Berryton rd. It's a nice area.
That is a nice area that I forgot about.
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Phone interview I'm 20 minutes and I'm going to kick it straight in the face!
eff yeah. Face to face interview Tuesday at 930!
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Nice work
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Thanks man.
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Yes, our eventual goal will be to get in one of the Washburn Rural/Seaman/Heights school districts. The oldest will be attending Montessori preschool this coming year and either K or pre-K the year after and the youngest still has a couple years until preschool, so not overly concerned about our school district right now. In a one month turnaround I just rented a small house, so once we get settled I can start looking for vacant land and/or houses in an area we'd like to move out to.
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Phone interview I'm 20 minutes and I'm going to kick it straight in the face!
eff yeah. Face to face interview Tuesday at 930!
congrats
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Thanks my man.
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Or woman. I'm so sexist.
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those free chips are so close to reaching the harbor
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Hahahahaha yes they are! I'm not a huge chip guy though. I'll have to see what all Frito lay even makes.
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Well they make Ruffles so I'm in. Cheddar and Sour Cream dipped in sour cream is my jam.
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Phone interview I'm 20 minutes and I'm going to kick it straight in the face!
eff yeah. Face to face interview Tuesday at 930!
Let them know you've got a chip on your shoulder.
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Pfffft oh man
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Anyone know what the Parker Hannefin plant in MHK does?
rdphff (rick daris parker hannefin fast facts)
1) I played on a parker hannefin mprd baseball team when I was around 8.
2) a friend of mine named matt managed the whole ph place for a few years. he was from ohio and had worked with them there and then moved to mhk to manage the ph here and then got moved back a couple of years ago. still works for them I think.
Do you know if they have any R&D functions there?
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http://parkercareers.ttcportals.com/jobs/1786231-intern-engineering
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http://parkercareers.ttcportals.com/jobs/1750726-plant-quality-manager
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Hahahahaha yes they are! I'm not a huge chip guy though. I'll have to see what all Frito lay even makes.
Topeka makes cheetos, corn chips, functions, and potato chips.
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Hahahahaha yes they are! I'm not a huge chip guy though. I'll have to see what all Frito lay even makes.
Topeka makes cheetos, corn chips, functions, and potato chips.
eff. I'll just working there til I can find a better job anyway or go back to school. Perhaps in KC.
Thanks for dashing hopes early though. :cheers:
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Or woman. I'm so sexist.
Last I checked I had the appropriate male parts.
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Look into UMKC SDK. We have a guest bedroom if you need to check it out.
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Look into UMKC SDK. We have a guest bedroom if you need to check it out.
I will this summer. I know they have a great 6 year MD program but my transcripts aren't great. At this point I'm just wanting to get a bachelor's and start working post grad. I have a few options in KC but I'll definitely keep you in mind. Thanks brother. :D
I really want to get out of Topeka. Too many bad memories here.
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Hope you get that job SdK! You got this bud!
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Anyone know what the Parker Hannefin plant in MHK does?
rdphff (rick daris parker hannefin fast facts)
1) I played on a parker hannefin mprd baseball team when I was around 8.
2) a friend of mine named matt managed the whole ph place for a few years. he was from ohio and had worked with them there and then moved to mhk to manage the ph here and then got moved back a couple of years ago. still works for them I think.
Do you know if they have any R&D functions there?
did you just see some random factory on a google earth fantasy tour of mhk and dream of getting a job there?
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Hope you get that job SdK! You got this bud!
Thank you, man!
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Good luck, SdK!
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That you, friend!
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Anyone know what the Parker Hannefin plant in MHK does?
rdphff (rick daris parker hannefin fast facts)
1) I played on a parker hannefin mprd baseball team when I was around 8.
2) a friend of mine named matt managed the whole ph place for a few years. he was from ohio and had worked with them there and then moved to mhk to manage the ph here and then got moved back a couple of years ago. still works for them I think.
Do you know if they have any R&D functions there?
did you just see some random factory on a google earth fantasy tour of mhk and dream of getting a job there?
No I saw a job posting and had heard of them before, but they're huge so I wasn't sure what this place did. I wouldn't mind relocating, but it's tough enough to find one good job let alone two.
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when it rains it pours. good jobs woof like rabbits
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Was just offered a job to work for my uncle in the Littleton area. I'd be responsible for sales at a steel building company. I am going to give him a call this week. Frito Lay interview tomorrow.
They have a big house in Centennial that'd I'd be able to stay at until I got on my own feet.
So this is a twist and good news.
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Was just offered a job to work for my uncle in the Littleton area. I'd be responsible for sales at a steel building company. I am going to give him a call this week. Frito Lay interview tomorrow.
They have a big house in Centennial that'd I'd be able to stay at until I got on my own feet.
So this is a twist and good news.
How desperate are you? It's generally a bad idea to work for family. Double bad if you live with them.
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Not desperate at all. Just something to think about. A much better opportunity than driving a forklift moving pallets of chips around.
While I'd say it's generally a bad idea. I don't think that's the case here.
I was just excited about the ability to wear nice clothes to work everyday, live in Colorado, and have a job that would involve competition.
I'll be talking to him later this week to gain more information. I was a middle man tonight between him and my BIL. BIL's company wants to expand their steel building footprint and my uncle is in that business. At the end of the convo, he said I should work for him.
This was all over text.
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With Colorado law the way it is, would that be anything to consider? I know smoking is different, but just something to consider.
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I mean I have looked at jobs in CO just because of the mountains and stuff(which I love). It's also expensive as eff depending on where you live. One of my best friends lives in a Denver suburb and it's always tempting to get back to the mountains.
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since when was it bad to work for or with family?
family owned and operated businesses are everywhere. isn't that what a farm is?
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rusty is too corporate to work for family anymore so i guess he sees it as bad news which it usually isnt
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since when was it bad to work for or with family?
family owned and operated businesses are everywhere. isn't that what a farm is?
Family farms are often more partnerships than boss/employee relationships, which is a subtle difference. And the family business relationship can work fine, but if it doesn't, it can easily ruin the personal/family side at the same time.
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rusty is too corporate to work for family anymore so i guess he sees it as bad news which it usually isnt
I had a really bad family business experience. And it carried over to the personal side, as well.
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rusty is too corporate to work for family anymore so i guess he sees it as bad news which it usually isnt
I had a really bad family business experience. And it carried over to the personal side, as well.
well thanks for making me look like a bad person dumbass with the exception :frown:
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With Colorado law the way it is, would that be anything to consider? I know smoking is different, but just something to consider.
I can't do the pot. Just not my jam.
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Yeah so it can work great but just be prepared for additional potential issues when things end that you won't have to deal with when you leave Frito-Lay
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I mean I have looked at jobs in CO just because of the mountains and stuff(which I love). It's also expensive as eff depending on where you live. One of my best friends lives in a Denver suburb and it's always tempting to get back to the mountains.
Snowboarding. Mountains. Rapids. I was born in Co Springs. Spent a year in Aurora when my parents were separated. My aunt was a chemical engineer for Exxon Mobil but left to be a stay at home mom. They have also offered to pay for my school in the past. They are a very nice family and are very caring and a bit eccentric.
I'll talk to him this week and get the low down. Apparently the money is very good as well.
Either way I'm taking the Frito Lay job.
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Can always quit and move
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Yeah so it can work great but just be prepared for additional potential issues when things end that you won't have to deal with when you leave Frito-Lay
I don't want to get into all of the specifics of my family dynamic, but I can assure you that won't be an issue.
You're also operating under the assumption that I won't kick ass. :)
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I would take the Colorado job.
I spent a few years in the Springs and then moved back to Kansas. Miss it like crazy. Reasons to go back include:
- Way more activities/things to do.
- Wake up to amazing scenery every day.
- Better weather (no humid ass sticky hot summers).
Throw in the better job and it would be a no-brainer for me.
Reasons to stay in Kansas and work in a warehouse:
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metal building salesman is a notch above corner lot used car salesman.
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They may be paying a lot but rent/housing is a lot different than KC so I would recommend checking cost of living and comparing some similar apartments online. While it's nice of them to offer and have you stay with them, living arrangements and job is a lot to add to a family relationship. Still could be worth doing, but I would probably try to move out as soon as financially feasible.
If you need a fresh start, which it sounds like you've been looking for, could be a great opportunity.
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Yes, cost of living will be higher. But, you have to factor in all of the perks. You pay extra for mountains/weather/more activities. How much value do you place on those things?
I agree with ChiCat on the family living arrangement. If they can hold the job open a little longer for you, I would recommend commencing penny pinching mode and save up as much as you possibly can. Then you'll be well positioned to grab your own pad after getting your feet wet in the new gig.
Exciting stuff though. I had a similar path to a fresh start when I moved to the Springs.
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Yeah. I looked at apartments in the area. They would be more than I'm paying now. My rent in Topeka is 760 a month for this one bedroom. Granted, it is one of the top 3 complexes in Topeka. I anticipate having to spend more in the 1k region in the Denver greater area. My lease is up in June here. I talked to the landlord and she said I could then go month to month. The interview with Frito went great today. They all but guaranteed me the job, but of course had to be diplomatic about it. I think cutting back and saving and tidying up some things in Topeka would be the best course of action. Perhaps do that over the summer and stay in contact with my uncle. Perhaps do some studying on sales as well.
Given that it was kind of a spur of the moment offer, I'm not sure that it was about holding a spot for me, more as seeing potential and they will make room for me as necessary.
I lived in Montana for a year and it was great to get off work and head to the mountains. Jump in Hardy creek and just get lost in nature.
They get passes to Aspen, Veil, and A-Basin every year. I have all I need for snowboarding aside from the board as I always rented. So that would be a major plus.
Moving in two months seems awfully sudden and I don't want to make a knee jerk reaction. I nixed the idea of KC in favor of spending a year working on myself and not trying to fix everything with a change of scenery. I've got some thinking to do.
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I think, work/career aside, if this makes for a healthier and happier sdk I don't know how you can turn it down.
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Anyone looking for a licensed Mechanical Engineer (HVAC background but would consider doing MEP pre-con for the construction side as well)?? I may be in the market for a change of scenery soon...
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Anyone looking for a licensed Mechanical Engineer (HVAC background but would consider doing MEP pre-con for the construction side as well)?? I may be in the market for a change of scenery soon...
Can you pull/fill teeth with that type of degree? Trying to get these new practices to launch in Northwest, Indiana. TIA.
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SS I just met with a buddy and he says they can't hire them fast enough. PM me and I'll send you their way.
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Is SDK uncle a good stable influence?
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I'd say a man who married a chemical engineer from Exxon Mobil and who owns two badaas corvettes and two homes and is able to pay for his sons to play hockey all over the US and Canada may have some wisdom to impart. I'd say his wife, my aunt, may even have more to share. It's not like I'd be moving to help support a household or that my performance would influence them in any way. When my parents were separated he owned, bought outright, two brand new corvettes. In addition, owned two boats, and a car for my aunt. They don't hurt for money at all. It's more about giving me a chance and a new start and less about an investment.
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In short, he has never been in my shoes, but the person within the family that he is closest too and that he took under his wing, has been sober for 8 years.
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Speaking of the sober uncle, stick broker, the last time I was in. N.Y. he wouldn't let me go to NYC alone. He told me a story about waking up in his suit covered in rat crap from falling down.
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He was deep in the tunnels and clung to the walls and found his way out. He knows if a train had come by he would have been dead
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He also used to get off at the twin towers atop on the subway. He was running behind that day
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Thank God for gE. It allows me to speak without regard. I appreciate that
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I think that if he offered you a job and a place in his home he really wants to help you. That combined with the fact that he has a track record of successfully helping people this may be a good opportunity for you.
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getting out of your cycle is a good step toward breaking it. by staying you are not changing any variables in an equation which the outcome has been repeatedly resolved.
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getting out of your cycle is a good step toward breaking it. by staying you are not changing any variables in an equation which the outcome has been repeatedly resolved.
Good point. However. The uncle owns two corvettes.
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If you're not happy without two Corvettes, you won't be happy with them.
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If you're not happy without two Corvettes, you won't be happy with them.
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I see now that my use of the word "stable" may have been word-associated with financial material success. I meant it in the mental/emotional/temperamental sense, which is not necessary correlated with the financial/material version.
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SS I just met with a buddy and he says they can't hire them fast enough. PM me and I'll send you their way.
PM sent! Thanks bud! :thumbs:
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SS I just met with a buddy and he says they can't hire them fast enough. PM me and I'll send you their way.
PM sent! Thanks bud! :thumbs:
Just sent you email.
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My brother is a recruiter. He asked me if I knew any java or .NET developers that were looking for remote work. Sounds like a good gig with a cool company and good compensation.
If anyone is interested let me know.
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I have a good friend, a delightful French woman. She may be open to being my roommate. She works a variety of jobs and has a master's in linguistics. Her main goal in life is to grow her Dream Builder business. KC is fairly stagnant on that front it appears. She may be open to being my roommate in Denver. It'd be great to have that emotional support. Working together as a team to make our lives what we want them to be. We dated briefly. But realized we were better as friends. Honestly the fact that she is 6' and I'm 5'11" bothered me a bit. I'm insecure at times. Anywho, the more I think about this the more I love it.
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The opportunity. Having my friend as a roommate would be an added bonus
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NO NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES!
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Sdk you're not supposed to eat the potpourri FYI.
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Haha ok. I'll think on it a while longer
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End of an era for me. I have zero explanation for anything that happened over the past three and a half years.
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Huh? What happened?
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End of an era for me. I have zero explanation for anything that happened over the past three and a half years.
You ate that chili didn't you
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Huh? What happened?
I had this unbelievably crazy job and that is over now.
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:lol:
I already know that I don't want to work there. And that they won't fire me. And I don't mind not being completely honest with clients. I just can't determine if I'd be sticking my nose into her scheme or doing something she'd appreciate.
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:lol:
UPDATE!!! My coworker/"boss" sent me an email to proceed with the report she wants even after the client specifically requested more! She didn't mention the client email at all. So, I guess it is her intention to be shady and I'll just give her what she's asking for. Whatever.
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:users:
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:love:
I work with so many crazy people that I never even know where to begin in the co-worker thread.
When I first met the guy who got fired, though, he was standing at his desk chugging water straight out of a gallon sized milk carton. Like, he just held it in one hand like it was a coffee mug. He was basically a body builder. Big muscles. He put the water down on his desk, said "wusup", shook hands, and then went directly back to chugging.
The second time I saw him was on Friday of that week. He was out in back of the building, standing behind this enormous grill loaded with burgers and brats and dancing to whatever music he had on. He was occasionally calling for someone to throw a football to him and then he'd throw it back really high and far. He was wearing shorts and flip-flops and these gigantic sunglass that weren't ski goggles, but the lens in them was like the size of the lens in ski goggles. I later learned that they were several hundred dollars and Italian.
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:lol:
He was like 27 and dating an older woman. A woman who is like seventeen years his senior. A woman who also happened to work in our office.
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this place sounds interesting af
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What ended this magical partnership? Did you finally take the sys challenge?
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What ended this magical partnership? Did you finally take the sys challenge?
I finally landed a good job!
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Well that's disappointing
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My company once fired someone with cause. That person hired a lawyer. My company opted to let them come back to work rather than fight it. That person has been back at work for like two years.
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Huh? What happened?
I had this unbelievably crazy job and that is over now.
Well I hope you find a less crazy job, friend. Sending good vibes your way.
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So, yeah just chatting with a dude and he shares with me that he drove twelve rough ridin' hours to New rough ridin' Orleans just to see, GET THIS, Widespread rough ridin' Panic. AAAAND he had never even them or really even heard of them before! He was just like, "Yeah, they were pretty good." WHAT. IN. THE. eff!?
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Halloween costume day! This may be the nerdiest costume I've ever seen. This guy has a shark's head coming out of the front of his shirt with fake blood and all and he has a toy chainsaw as a prop. Sharknado, right? But GET THIS. He also has, hanging from around his neck, a photo of himself talking to Ian Ziering at a comic book convention in front of a Sharknado backdrop. Haha.
The photo is terrible, too, because he didn't buy the official $100 promo photo, but had someone else take it from a distance on their phone. You can't even see his face in it - just the back of his head.
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that one was one of my faves
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that one was one of my faves
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Halloween costume day! This may be the nerdiest costume I've ever seen. This guy has a shark's head coming out of the front of his shirt with fake blood and all and he has a toy chainsaw as a prop. Sharknado, right? But GET THIS. He also has, hanging from around his neck, a photo of himself talking to Ian Ziering at a comic book convention in front of a Sharknado backdrop. Haha.
The photo is terrible, too, because he didn't buy the official $100 promo photo, but had someone else take it from a distance on their phone. You can't even see his face in it - just the back of his head.
holy crap these are amaze :love:
DO NOT LEAVE THIS PLACE!
wait, can sdk replace you?
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Sounds like you worked with some really interesting people, chum. I hope your new gig isn't full of boring normal people.
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I just got off the phone with my uncle. He's going to email some literature as pre training. Then send some leads my way to get my feet wet over the summer. I have the option to work remotely, but I said I'd rather move to Denver and get some more intensive training so that I could have a great chance to succeed and be a greater asset to the company. They are expanding within the next few months and may be looking to open offices in different cities. I told him that we would keep in contact and that I would start saving money for the move.
He closed off the conversation, as he should, by asking me about how my substance abuse issues are going. I let him know that I would not be moving out to Denver if I did not have a firm grasp on them. He let me know that as long as I am committed to working hard he would be committed to me.
In short, the job would fit very well with my skill set, and it is mine if I want it down the road (this summer or whenever) but I need to make sure that I have a solid grasp on sobriety and good contacts in the Denver area before I go.
This is great news guys and makes SdK very happy. SdK enjoys sobriety very much and looks forward to his future.
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Halloween costume day! This may be the nerdiest costume I've ever seen. This guy has a shark's head coming out of the front of his shirt with fake blood and all and he has a toy chainsaw as a prop. Sharknado, right? But GET THIS. He also has, hanging from around his neck, a photo of himself talking to Ian Ziering at a comic book convention in front of a Sharknado backdrop. Haha.
The photo is terrible, too, because he didn't buy the official $100 promo photo, but had someone else take it from a distance on their phone. You can't even see his face in it - just the back of his head.
omg
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I just got off the phone with my uncle. He's going to email some literature as pre training. Then send some leads my way to get my feet wet over the summer. I have the option to work remotely, but I said I'd rather move to Denver and get some more intensive training so that I could have a great chance to succeed and be a greater asset to the company. They are expanding within the next few months and may be looking to open offices in different cities. I told him that we would keep in contact and that I would start saving money for the move.
He closed off the conversation, as he should, by asking me about how my substance abuse issues are going. I let him know that I would not be moving out to Denver if I did not have a firm grasp on them. He let me know that as long as I am committed to working hard he would be committed to me.
In short, the job would fit very well with my skill set, and it is mine if I want it down the road (this summer or whenever) but I need to make sure that I have a solid grasp on sobriety and good contacts in the Denver area before I go.
This is great news guys and makes SdK very happy. SdK enjoys sobriety very much and looks forward to his future.
Congrats, SdK. Sounds great.
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Thank you. It feels great to not feel so pigeon holed by my choices in life. I'm very appreciative of him letting me work remotely while I save money.
It's a huge risk for him, not just with me but with any new guy, financially. Time he takes away from his duties to train takes 4k out of his pocket a month.
I enjoy pressure and competition.
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be sure to be in a good place sobriety/support wise, as you seem to clearly know, before thinking this will resolve it
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My first goal will be to see if Schultz is interested. My uncle's company doesn't need the business, but it'd be a great way to get my feet wet and be a liaison. No pressure on my BIL, but it'd be nice to have that as my first customer. Both companies would benefit greatly. Oh and it'd help me out a ton. :D
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be sure to be in a good place sobriety/support wise, as you seem to clearly know, before thinking this will resolve it
In all honesty, I'd rather be a miserable warehouse worker in Topeka than move to Denver and blow up a relationship and sever some family ties. I'd rather let booze kill me than take advantage of family.
I'll devote my remaining time in Topeka to sobriety and savings. My lease is up the end of May. I'll move into one of Canary's spate bedrooms and pay rent and save. I'll be safe and sober there while networking for business and sobriety. As it is now, I spend most days and nights at Canary's anyway. (He doesn't let me know loose women there though smh).
I'm just glad to know that I have a solid offer for a better life. It rough ridin' sucks to try to subdue yourself into accepting manual labor.
Cheerio my friends. I love you all. Can't wait to be able to post in the hiking thread.
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Btw Canary has saved my life at least 4 times over. He is the father I never had.
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You fucko. I don't want to cry tonight. Take a compliment and move along.
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Glad to hear all of this, Sdk. I look forward to future updates on your successes.
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Thank you.
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First day at new job! There was no discussion about what time I should come in. I showed up about 8:30. I learned that my boss was out on vacation and his boss, a VP, was running late. So, the receptionist called the lone colleague in my department for me.
This is a German girl who seems maybe a tad shy of being fully proficient at speaking English. We introduced ourselves and then she just marched me straight to the VP's office and told me I could sit in there and wait if I wanted. I was like "Maybe I'll go find the bathroom and check out the gym. Or even leave and come back in an hour." She said okay and then turned around and walked off.
So, I went to the store and picked up some $6 reading glasses to leave at work and $10 worth of lottery tickets.
The VP was there when I got back. He said and did a bunch of totally normal stuff for the next several hours. BUT THEN, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to share something with me. I'd learned earlier that he was a wrestling coach and has a son who is a star wrestler. He then told me that he'd taken his son to Nationals as a 14 year old and felt terrible because his son lost immediately. His reaction was to write a letter to his son. The letter is what he wanted to share with me. So, I sat there as he read verbatim this 3/4 page, single spaced, deeply personal letter about winning and losing and trying and getting back up and learning life lessons. As he's reading it, I'm like, "Oh crap. How am I supposed to respond to this? Is my response going to sound phony? What's going on here!?" Luckily, he kept right on talking after reading and the conversation flowed naturally.
Tomorrow, my boss will be in! One of the things I remember about him from my interview is that he started out by saying, "Basically, our crap is all mumped up."
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Needs own thread
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That is incredible
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Agreed. Like, why a letter? Does he not live with his son?
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Also could have been a test where you were supposed to say you don't tolerate losing.
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and people thought chum1 shouldn't have left his old job.
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I'm pretty happy about all this. write him a letter thanking him for reading you the letter
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Today was my first day at a new job as well. Just paperwork, orientation, and tours. Nothing in the same realm as the above strangeness/awesomeness.
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The gift that keeps giving :love:
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No negative consequences
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I would quit that job immediately.
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I also don't yet have a place to sit, which I don't think is a big deal in itself. What's kind of weird about it, though, is that the VP mentioned a couple of seating options and both involved cubicles that do not currently exist. So, there is no plan in place right now and it seems like it will be AT LEAST several days before I have a place to sit.
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Glad to hear things are already getting weird. Looking forward to the next boss update.
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I also don't yet have a place to sit, which I don't think is a big deal in itself. What's kind of weird about it, though, is that the VP mentioned a couple of seating options and both involved cubicles that do not currently exist. So, there is no plan in place right now and it seems like it will be AT LEAST several days before I have a place to sit.
do you just stand around in the breakroom or work from home or what's the deal here
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He's going to have to sit in the VP's office all day and it is going to get super weird.
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If you have to sit in the VP's office all week, I could see it being a 21st century version of the buddy cop movie-- Office Buds.
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I told the VP that I'd wait in a sort of hang out area until my boss gets in. That's where I am now.
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slap a nametag on one of those and start leaving papers and stuff on the desk part
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Did they just create the job position you are in?
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Did they just create the job position you are in?
Yeah, they say they're outgrowing the area they currently occupy.
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Nice chair. Nice view. Looks like a good place to camp out.
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First days are always great, luckily you seem to be getting multiple
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I have a place to sit. When my boss got in, he was like, "You need a computer. Let's go to the store." So, we went out and got a whole setup. We brought it all back to a conference room and he was like, "We'll just set it up in here until we figure out what's going on long term." He added that he'd go ahead and move into the conference room, too, and then walked off. So, I just went ahead and started setting up my computer.
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I have 3 of those same monitors at work. What a great view too!
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Yeah, that parking lot is beautiful!
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this is great
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I hope this never ends
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Where does chum live FTR? If you want to be discrete, just give me a state and a nswe area so I can wrap my brain around this.
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Midwest
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Midwest
metro or a Salina/Hays/mhk/ Colby type of feel?
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Looks like corporate woods
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You got that from a few boxes, a few computer screens, trees, and a parking lot? I'll put $100 down it's west of KC.
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I'll take that bet, I say east
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If chum does live in KC, plz contact me immediately to get out of this hell.
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Kc is a push, deal?
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You got that from a few boxes, a few computer screens, trees, and a parking lot? I'll put $100 down it's west of KC.
I mean I'm just guessing, idk why it has to be some kind of competition. I know with the pattern of behavior that you've had you think I'm just talking out my ass.
How about we put $200 on it?
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Kc is a push, deal?
This
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You got that from a few boxes, a few computer screens, trees, and a parking lot? I'll put $100 down it's west of KC.
I mean I'm just guessing, idk why it has to be some kind of competition. I know with the pattern of behavior that you've had you think I'm just talking out my ass.
How about we put $200 on it?
You're the one with the new sig line from me. I have no behavior line, just calling things how I see them. Chum is definitely west of KC, but I don't trust groupies on this board. I only bet things I know are certain. That's how you pay for a wedding moon for free!
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My pee test for new job is on 4/20. Do I make a joke? Thinking no.
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:lol: alright you giant pussy
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Fine I'll make a joke TBT, no need for name calling.
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I thought it was a specific town east of kc that, instead of cinnamon rolls, serves up chili with spaghetti
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"Knows" chum is defiantly west of KC. Then follows it up with "only bet things I know are certain". You just can't make this stuff up guys
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He added that he'd go ahead and move into the conference room, too.
what a lovely gesture.
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I thought it was a specific town east of kc that, instead of cinnamon rolls, serves up chili with spaghetti
i hope he hasn't moved. but he is starting a new job.
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:lol: alright you giant pussy
wanna play poker? :dunno:
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Chum make sure and keep us updated on tomorrow's proceedings
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wacky definitely has his finger on the pulse of this thing
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Tbt you're so salty these days. Kinda sad. :frown:
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It's just a friendly wager
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It's just a friendly wager
yeah, but you study this board more than me. I'm up $500 on bets from last year and I don't want to give over easy cash. I would bet tho he's not working in KC.
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Oh well
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Good thing I didn't just bet $100 or I would be out $100 on that easy bet
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wacky definitely has his finger on the pulse of this thing
He is irl closer to chum1 than anyone else, but the green green grass and budding trees screams desert wasteland to ol wackycat
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Some ppl live and die from this board for self confidence and knows every ounce of a person, some have life's and don't. :frown: You're welcome for the drinks last time TBT. Now study politics and regroup for the pit.
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its the carpet.
that carpet screams Cincinnati quite clearly.
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Tell him to take a lap wacky.
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Good stuff u guys
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Good stuff u guys
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Hit the freeway kim
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Haha
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Tell him to take a lap wacky.
Clearly this. GTFO out of shitty small Kansas towns guys. Stop trolling ppl with lifes and make something of yourselves. Someday you might see the big picture. 5* hotels are the crap!
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Wacky is making a lot of great points itt
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i'm a pretty confident guy but if my boss took me to microcenter and blew a few grand on computer crap on my second day, i'd really start worrying about stuff working out at the company.
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Some people just have a gift 'clams
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i'm a pretty confident guy but if my boss took me to microcenter and blew a few grand on computer crap on my second day, i'd really start worrying about stuff working out at the company.
#concerning
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You got that from a few boxes, a few computer screens, trees, and a parking lot? I'll put $100 down it's west of KC.
I mean I'm just guessing, idk why it has to be some kind of competition. I know with the pattern of behavior that you've had you think I'm just talking out my ass.
How about we put $200 on it?
You're the one with the new sig line from me. I have no behavior line, just calling things how I see them. Chum is definitely west of KC, but I don't trust groupies on this board. I only bet things I know are certain. That's how you pay for a wedding moon for free!
A wedding moon? :confused:
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Wacky did you go to German village
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A wedding moon? :confused:
its just like a honeymoon EXCEPT FOR ONE CRUCIAL DETAIL
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A wedding moon? :confused:
its just like a honeymoon EXCEPT FOR ONE CRUCIAL DETAIL
wow I googled it and it is actually a thing
I don't know if wacky knows that though
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Yowza.
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I went back to the records and wacky did indeed have a weddingmoon and probably knows what it is for that reason.
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Never heard of a weddingmoon til now. Interesting.
Someone pm me when chum1 reveals his home and office address. The bickering in here saddens me.
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I went back to the records and wacky did indeed have a weddingmoon and probably knows what it is for that reason.
So like, a destination wedding? This is frustrating because I searched "wedding moon" and "weddingmoon" before commenting :buh-bye:
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Chum1 lives Northeast of me wacky. ;)
Y'all need to pay attention better to the board.
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Yeah, that's the northern suburbs of Cincinnati. I haven't moved.
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I never knew Chum was in Cincy!
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Would have donated to the fattyfund anyway. It is funny someone with over twice as many posts and double the time spent of this blog tells me I live and die by this blog and don't have a life.
Learn something new everyday I guess.
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I never knew Chum was in Cincy!
so true
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I'm trying to follow chum's awesome and topical story and you browns are just browning up the entire place. GTFO.
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I like the wooded parking lot view.
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OT: chum, do you ever look up that abandoned fire station on Zillow and imagine what might have been?
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Very weird about the lack of desk space though.
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Are there conferences in the conference room you won't be invited to? Will you just sit in the corner at your desk working away or will they ask you to leave?
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Holy crap :Wha:
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OT: chum, do you ever look up that abandoned fire station on Zillow and imagine what might have been?
The place I thought about buying? No, that worked out for the best. Would not have been feasible.
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Very weird about the lack of desk space though.
My boss said yesterday that he wants us to work from home full time. So, I think it's kind of part of a scheme.
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Very weird about the lack of desk space though.
My boss said yesterday that he wants us to work from home full time. So, I think it's kind of part of a scheme.
Sweet. I work from home. It is fantastic
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Are there conferences in the conference room you won't be invited to? Will you just sit in the corner at your desk working away or will they ask you to leave?
I asked my boss if the finance department would be mad about us taking their room. He said no. We'll see!
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:lol:
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How many employees at your office chum1?
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did they talk about working from home when you interviewed?
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i'm a pretty confident guy but if my boss took me to microcenter and blew a few grand on computer crap on my second day, i'd really start worrying about stuff working out at the company.
what i meant by this is i would be like, oh crap this better be a good fit b/c otherwise they just went and blew a bunch of money on me and this computer crap
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Consult the dossier
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get out of Kansas you guys. And get out of this thread
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How many employees at your office chum1?
About 50
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did they talk about working from home when you interviewed?
Nope
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I'm liking the feel of this company, tbh
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i'm a pretty confident guy but if my boss took me to microcenter and blew a few grand on computer crap on my second day, i'd really start worrying about stuff working out at the company.
what i meant by this is i would be like, oh crap this better be a good fit b/c otherwise they just went and blew a bunch of money on me and this computer crap
Yeah, he wanted me to pick everything out. So, I was trying to be as frugal as possible.
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deductible
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So you bought a bunch of desktop stuff to set up in the conference room and then your boss said he wants you to work from home?
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did they talk about working from home when you interviewed?
Nope
what in the name of the flying spaghetti monster
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The buying of the computer stuff is maybe the most bizarre part of this for me.
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Chum sure knows how to pick jobs with lots of intrigue!
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Sounds like the job is probably a front for a major drug operation. First the test if you could keep personal stuff secret (failed), then the fact that office space and equipment seems like an afterthought to getting someone on the payroll so expenses are more in line with revenue, then telling everyone to stay out of the office (or just chum because he failed #1).
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Sounds like the job is probably a front for a major drug operation. First the test if you could keep personal stuff secret (failed), then the fact that office space and equipment seems like an afterthought to getting someone on the payroll so expenses are more in line with revenue, then telling everyone to stay out of the office (or just chum because he failed #1).
He failed #1 because he told us about the father/son letter? But how would they know that?
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You obviously don't know anything about the mafia.
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We call it la cosa nostra newb.
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I don't think either of you understand our thing
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The buying of the computer stuff is maybe the most bizarre part of this for me.
yeah that's pretty great
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is this some kind of startup? does cincy have startups?
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i want chum to keep a detailed diary of everything his boss says.
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is this some kind of startup? does cincy have startups?
well it's located out west in the heart of silicon valley, so you tell me smart guy
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if he starts working at home, the humorous stories are done for. :frown:
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is this some kind of startup? does cincy have startups?
Not a startup. I did interview with one. It was terrible. Like we weren't speaking the same language. The "our crap is all mumped up" guy was much more my speed.
Cincinnati looks pretty average for startups. http://cin.ci/2bqrquF
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if he starts working at home, the humorous stories are done for. :frown:
A colleague of mine once tuned in to a group Skype thing and a salesman was working from home, very clearly in his whitey tighteys, and thought he had turned off his camera.
So...have faith.
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Day 3:
My boss moved into the conference room, too. The VP comes in for the first time, smiles real big, and says, "I LOVE IT! Wires and computers everwhere!" He approvingly nods his head a few times, turns and walks to the door, and says another "love it" as he's leaving.
My boss plugged speakers into my computer and said, "Alright, dude, you're the DJamer."
Some of the odds and ends I've learned about my boss: He just took his family to Florida. There were five or six kids/friends of kids along and they rented a van. The kids are all his wife's and the youngest is 14. He met his wife two years ago. They took the kids to Florida so they could go to their dad's wedding. Their dad works at Disney as a costume character, makes like $9/hour, and ended up divorced because he liked partying with 20 year-olds too much. He told my boss that he'd take care of the rooms and my boss discovered three days before they left that he only meant that he was making hotel reservations, not paying for them.
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:lol:
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Are you rocking on the network with an out of the box pc with zero IT interaction?
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IT :lol:
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how come the vp won't relocate to the conference room? he doesn't seem like much of a team player.
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Who needs a firewall? :lol:
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Everyone that drives a vehicle. Smh.
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Any more brain busters? :D
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My boss plugged speakers into my computer and said, "Alright, dude, you're the DJamer."
This is pretty awesome. At the same time, that's a lot of pressure.
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Are you rocking on the network with an out of the box pc with zero IT interaction?
Yeah. Not cool, man.
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My boss plugged speakers into my computer and said, "Alright, dude, you're the DJamer."
This is pretty awesome. At the same time, that's a lot of pressure.
yeah, the pressure is intense.
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Always gotta have a playlist ready for any situation
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Classic Rock is the go to
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I pulled up NPR and selected an alternative rock station in Seattle from their list of featured streams.
I forgot my headphones, so I'm thinking about gifting him with Talk of the Townies today.
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when i read that you were the DJamer i just assumed that you put in a sufjan mix
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You could play "my crap's mumped up" by Warren zevon
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pipe in a 2012 turntable.fm sesh from the archives
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Holy crap. I just check this thread after having not looked at it a billion years and wow. Chum's situation would make my head explode from uncomfortableness.
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Team catlab YouTube channel is a can't miss
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that whalers song would get him promoted (if that's what he wants).
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Def begin each day with Let's Get it Started / BEP's.
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Spoiler Alert: This is going to end with Chum's boss buying a convertible and them going on a road trip to Vegas
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YES PLZ :excited:
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Start slinging chips Tuesday. It'll be good to get back to work. Not sure what the status of the Denver job is. But for now I'll focus on me and improving my quality of life.
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NO DAY 4 RECAP :curse:
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Day 4:
On day 3, the VP, trying to be hospitable and make a good impreesion on the new guy, told me that they have some unclaimed box seat tickets for a Reds/Cubs game if I'm interested. On day 4, German girl came into the conference room office and announced the same thing. My boss, with zero hesitation, says, "Sure! I'll take them!"
Day 5 recap is better. I'm off. Company holiday. Good Friday!
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Well you had day 3 to claim those tickets if you wanted them and you didn't so why shouldn't someone else get them? :dunno:
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I don't want the tickets. It's funny because I'm pretty sure VP had just told German girl to go offer them to me in particular, she didn't make it clear she was talking directly to me, and my boss swooped right in.
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I don't want the tickets. It's funny because I'm pretty sure VP had just told German girl to go offer them to me in particular, she didn't make it clear she was talking directly to me, and my boss swooped right in.
yeah, pretty great that he didn't give you an opportunity to accept. You know he's taken them before.
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you should have taken the tickets even if you didn't want them. then offered one to him even though you know he couldn't go. it's bonding crap. like when your father in law offers you a pint of his famous home brew that has mold on it and looks and smells like crap, you just take it and force it down.
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you should have taken the tickets even if you didn't want them. then offered one to him even though you know he couldn't go. it's bonding crap. like when your father in law offers you a pint of his famous home brew that has mold on it and looks and smells like crap, you just take it and force it down.
Wow! Do you live in my brain? :love:
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you should have taken the tickets even if you didn't want them. then offered one to him even though you know he couldn't go. it's bonding crap. like when your father in law offers you a pint of his famous home brew that has mold on it and looks and smells like crap, you just take it and force it down.
Wow! Do you live in my brain? :love:
I am confused by this. Obviously the boss could go because he took the tickets.
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I was referring to drinking the shitty homemade beer/or wine to make the father in law/or grandpa happy.
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That's just lying
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you should have taken the tickets even if you didn't want them. then offered one to him even though you know he couldn't go. it's bonding crap. like when your father in law offers you a pint of his famous home brew that has mold on it and looks and smells like crap, you just take it and force it down.
Wow! Do you live in my brain? :love:
I am confused by this. Obviously the boss could go because he took the tickets.
the VP boss
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How many employees at your office chum1?
About 50
and no formalized IT dept. and staff?? :sdeek:
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Anyone have any experience working with friends? My company is pretty small but growing like crazy, one of my BFF's is looking for a new job and I'm about 99% sure I can get him hired.
Pro's Con's? It's probably going to happen anyways, just looking for some feedback. Thanks, I'll listen off air.
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I think it's a great idea if you are wanting to ruin your friendship.
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Actually it probably just depends on the type of job.
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Actually it probably just depends on the type of job.
And the type of relationship (both private and at work)
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I would never do the hire the friend thing if I had to supervise them or manage them in any way. No way jose. And, I'd only get a friend a job if I thought that they were very trustworthy and willing to put forth effort. Just hooking a bro up ain't going to happen...you gotta deserve the shot, IMO.
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I would never do the hire the friend thing if I had to supervise them or manage them in any way. No way jose. And, I'd only get a friend a job if I thought that they were very trustworthy and willing to put forth effort. Just hooking a bro up ain't going to happen...you gotta deserve the shot, IMO.
Yes, this is risky. I'm not sure I would feel comfortable
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I always tell buds that I'll get them the interview. It's up to them to get the job. I'd never hire a friend as a direct report.
I recommended a friend for a peer position a few years ago. He's kicking ass and running a different division now.
Put another friend's resume on my boss's desk as a courtesy. We reviewed it with some others. Didn't make the cut.
I don't know if I'd do it in a small company though. Not enough separation of duties perhaps.
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Depends on the job. Is it a pud sales job? Get him in then he either sells or doesn't. Generally grunt or easily filled positions it's nbd.
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i've hired and supervised friends, nbd
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i've hired and supervised friends, nbd
You have elite management style
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The extent that you go out of your way to get the friend the job is the extent that their performance will reflect on you.
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The two other guys that I work with played ball together in college and worked at another company previous to this together. They get along great. We're all competitve and have fun. One of them is a former globetrotter and still does events on the side. :surprised:
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^^^ no one believes that wacky, fyi
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What a weird story to make up.
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I would never get a job for a friend where I was responsible for their work product. I'm too nice as it is, and if they didn't do good work I'd have to do it myself and act like it was all them and nobody got time for that.
Working with a buddy as a peer would be fine as long as it's a job where the duties are very segregated.
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What a weird story to make up.
i agree
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You sure are a wackadoodle.
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not sure why you need to name call so much
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Not sure why you have to keep up with this obsessive, sad posting of yours. :cry:
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My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
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My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
On one hand I want to know what happens. On the other hand I feel like there is a 60% chance you won't live to tell the story.
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Those wacky west coasters
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My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
This sounds like an excellent way to bust through the afternoon slump. All fired up, guns a blazin.
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My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
your boss is sleeping with kevin spacey's wife.
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My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
does your boss look like this?
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My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
your boss is sleeping with kevin spacey's wife.
ooh, mods make this one my post instead
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Our assistant at work just lost her sister due to suicide like less then a month ago. I've felt very bad for her and it's been so awkward this last week, because another recruiter won't shut up about what a great show "13 reasons why" is. Like, she talked about it all week, and just talked about it to my cube neighbor who sits next to her. How do you tell someone to stfu about stuff like that?
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But telling them to stfu.
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^this, but do it 1 on 1 and discreetly.
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Also empower your coworker to stand up for themselves if possible.
Take the rude one aside, and use I statements about her talk of the show being in poor form in your opinion. Don't speak on behalf of the friend that lost someone, they can do that for themselves if they feel they need too.
I don't know if that even made sense.
Here is what i would do. Take rude coworker aside. Hey, I've heard a lot about that show and that it is pretty good. Thanks for the recommendation. However, so and so just lost someone to suicide and perhaps it's best to keep conversations about the show a little more private. If I had (or if I actually have) recently lost someone in that way it'd be painful to hear about at work where I want to focus on my job. I know that was not your intent. I just wanted to share how it made me feel. Thank you.
Unless the coworker that lost someone is close to me, I wouldn't ever mention that I had that chat to them. I did it as a a kindness not for recognition.
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I contradicted myself. If the coworker is close to you. Tell her and empower her. If not, just let it ride and feel good about a good deed.
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Interview at the HD DC on Tuesday. Been at Frito for 2 weeks. This place is for the birds.
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It sure smells like farts from the road
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It's fine in the warehouse. But good grief this place.
They hire everyone as a temp. Then you can bid on jobs but they go by seniority. Asked for a resume and mine showed 2.5 years of warehouse and fork lift experience. So they hired me as a temp to load trailers. But are in desperate need of for lift drivers. It's stupid.
All the employees say they keep cutting wages and benefits.
I didn't know how great I had it at Target. I miss it a lot.
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I mean I'm glad they hired me and I'm collecting a pay check and the work us easy. The pay is mediocre. I'd rather just my ass for the 20 an hour i was making them this 13 for pud work. I messed up when I quit Target
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Recruiter... Hi. You'd be a good fit for a job in Louisville. What are your salary requirements?
Me... I make X. Car allowance is X. Standard health and 401K bennies. Three weeks vacation. Ten paid holidays. Work from home.
I need pay to be higher and be flexible on working from home if I'm going to change jobs.
Recruiter... Oh. No worries. Here's the perfect job. Pay is 10% less but a perfect fit. Since you'd be a manager, you'd need to be in the office most days.
Me... Click.
Why would you even bother offering the interview if it doesn't meet my requirements?
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Shitty recruiter. Only way you could sell that is if you hated where you were living and you knew going into it you had family in said part of Louisiana.
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Shitty recruiter. Only way you could sell that is if you hated where you were living and you knew going into it you had family in said part of Louisiana.
*Louisville, aka IPA4me's locale
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My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
No follow up?! wth
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My boss just invited me to go to the gun range with him sometime over lunch.
No follow up?! wth
Haven't talked about it since. I'll put together a brief week four update.
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Week Four:
When I walk through the office in the mornings, I'm always one of the first people here. Sometimes, I come in at like 7:30. Other times, it's more like 9:00. Doesn't matter. The place will be dead. My boss usually comes in between 10:00 and 10:30.
You might assume that this means a whole bunch of people are working past 5:00. But you would be wrong. Both my boss and the VP have explicitly said to me that they don't care when I work as long as the work gets done. So, it appears that this principle applies to the entire office. Yesterday, I left an hour earlier than normal to go mow my lawn.
There are two main groups of people in the office. The first is very religious, very Christian. Not scary radical zealot types, though. They're hyper positive, love everybody Tim Tebow types. Good things aren't just good things. They're blessings. They meet every Friday at lunchtime to talk about servant leadership. I plan to go tomorrow!
The second main group meets every Friday, too. After work. At a bar just down the road. The bar has happy hour double wells for $2.50. This group likes rum and coke keeps the bartender plenty busy. A few in this group will vape inside the bar. And then they'll go outside to smoke cigarettes along with all of the others who don't also vape. I went to their meeting last week.
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is your company hiring? i'm not too worried about their remote office/telecommuting policy.
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There are two main groups of people in the office.
Kentucky pod: The first is very religious, very Christian. Not scary radical zealot types, though. They're hyper positive, love everybody Tim Tebow types. Good things aren't just good things. They're blessings. They meet every Friday at lunchtime to talk about servant leadership. I plan to go tomorrow!
Ohio pod: The second main group meets every Friday, too. After work. At a bar just down the road. The bar has happy hour double wells for $2.50. This group likes rum and coke keeps the bartender plenty busy. A few in this group will vape inside the bar. And then they'll go outside to smoke cigarettes along with all of the others who don't also vape. I went to their meeting last week.
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Mocat nailed it
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It sure smells like farts from the road
I've had the contract to fix that twice, and it keeps getting cancelled by corporate. :shakesfist:
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It's kind of sad when I talk to long time employees there tbh. This is their career and how they take care of themselves. I was surprised to hear they had a union at orientation, less surprised when I started to talk to workers.
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It's kind of sad when I talk to long time employees there tbh. This is their career and how they take care of themselves. I was surprised to hear they had a union at orientation, less surprised when I started to talk to workers.
Why is that sad?
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It's sad To hear people disheartened.
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I have partied with line workers a few times and they very fun, but the company dicks them over constantly. My friend was working 70-80 hours a week until he took a paycut to become a supervisor so he could see his kids on the weekend
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Yes. For the most part all of my coworkers are cool. And they aren't whiney about anything. It just comes up when they ask where I worked and they ask about how Target paid, etc.
One of the guys said He used to say with pride that he worked at Frito. Now he mumbles it.
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well regardless of how you feel about it I'm happy for SdK to have a job again :thumbs:
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well regardless of how you feel about it I'm happy for SdK to have a job again :thumbs:
Ditto!
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well regardless of how you feel about it I'm happy for SdK to have a job again :thumbs:
I don't hate it. It's pud work and the pay reflects that. I didn't appreciate target as much as I should have. I thought with my experience I'd be able to bounce right into another fork lift job with close to the 20 an hour i was making. I was wrong.
I'm glad I have a job too. It's very important to me.
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They meet every Friday at lunchtime to talk about servant leadership. I plan to go tomorrow!
This thing is led by the owner/CEO, who is a 50ish former D1 basketball player. Things I learned:
We are not competing against each other in this company. We are striving to be as awesome as we can be (aka fulfilling God given potential) as individuals and as a company. We are here to make a positive difference in people's lives.
When we are as awesome as we can be, then we have the biggest impact. When this happens, we'll be KILLING the competition. Just absolutely leaving them in the dust. (I didn't understand why we aren't at all competitive within the company yet are super competitive with other companies, but did not question this.)
There was also a whiteboard diagram that looked like a wagon wheel and had words like 'prayer' and 'forgiveness' written on it. I did not really pay attention during that part.
The CEO also mentioned that he missed using his old nap room since it was moved to another location in the office. A girl offered that she had used the new room to take a nap earlier this week. He replied, "DID YOU!? THAT'S AWESOME!!!"
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Amazing, i think wacky was right and you actually work in colorado springs
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fellowship of christian insurers?
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I didn't understand why we aren't at all competitive within the company yet are super competitive with other companies, but did not question this.
you have probably joined god's chosen company. he likes to choose things. look and see if you can find a covenant in one of the filing cabinets.
i'm glad to hear about your coworker's nap.
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fellowship of christian insurers?
actually, it could be one of those faith based insurance plan places
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One of my dentist were in town recently and he brought me this to say thanks. @IPA4me have you had this stuff? Omg! :lick:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170511/05a6ca7f42b8c7ee499c6cd48fd4dc35.jpg)
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That looks great. I needed to stop at Liquor Barn anyhow.
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The new job requires that I spend next spring studying at the University of Virginia School of Law. :driving:
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The new job requires that I spend next spring studying at the University of Virginia School of Law. :driving:
That's great man :thumbs:
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:thumbs:
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The new job requires that I spend next spring studying at the University of Virginia School of Law. :driving:
Watch out for the secret societies. You can't swing a dead cat there without hitting one.
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The new job requires that I spend next spring studying at the University of Virginia School of Law. :driving:
Watch out for the secret societies. You can't swing a dead cat there without hitting one.
That's very interesting because a stoic, matter-of-fact coworker described his experience in Charlottesville as "magical."
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Charlottesville is great. It's like Manhattan except pretty much better across the board. Unfortunately UVA is kinda known for having the most douches per capita, but the law school is not as bad.
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absolutely beautiful part of this great country (USA)
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The new job requires that I spend next spring studying at the University of Virginia School of Law. :driving:
well look at 'Hoo
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I applied for a job (which didn't involve studying law at UVA) and they had me take a roughly hour-long standardized test (complete with algebra and analogies) and a personality profile thing before the initial interview.
Is this a thing? Seems really weird to me.
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Was it the predictive index?
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Step 1: Go to an AA meeting
Step 2: Share
Step 3: Be approached by a very nicely dressed woman in her 50s after the meeting.
Step 4: Have a conversation about what she does for a living and what she is looking for.
Step 5: Sell yourself
Step 6: Receive a business card and be told to give them a call.
I'll be calling tomorrow.
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Step 1: Go to an AA meeting
Step 2: Share
Step 3: Be approached by a very nicely dressed woman in her 50s after the meeting.
Step 4: Have a conversation about what she does for a living and what she is looking for.
Step 5: Sell yourself
Step 6: Receive a business card and be told to give them a call.
I'll be calling tomorrow.
What was your price?
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50k+ a year.
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i was thinking maybe a couple hundy a night, but good work if she'll prepay like that
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Thank you. :gocho: ;)
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that's pretty cool
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I thought so. It was quite fortuitous. I think it bodes well that she approached me based upon being well dressed and well spoken.
We shall see!
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I thought so. It was quite fortuitous. I think it bodes well that she approached me based upon being well dressed and well spoken.
We shall see!
it wasn't that you were well dressed and spoken, it also shows a certain level of maturity and a lot of hard work to be where you both were. whatever you've both been through will undoubtedly be harder than any work she may offer you and it shows that you potentially are up to the task. she knows these things.
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I thought so. It was quite fortuitous. I think it bodes well that she approached me based upon being well dressed and well spoken.
We shall see!
it wasn't that you were well dressed and spoken, it also shows a certain level of maturity and a lot of hard work to be where you both were. whatever you've both been through will undoubtedly be harder than any work she may offer you and it shows that you potentially are up to the task. she knows these things.
This is very true and I had not looked at it that way. You are probably right. I'm sure the content of what I had to say in the meeting aided in that sign of maturity as well.
It is also a national company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. I'm fairly excited about the opportunity.
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yeah, i wasn't trying to discount the fact that you were well dressed/spoken, just adding more to it
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yeah, i wasn't trying to discount the fact that you were well dressed/spoken, just adding more to it
I didn't take it that way at all. We on that same page, brah.
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I thought so. It was quite fortuitous. I think it bodes well that she approached me based upon being well dressed and well spoken.
We shall see!
it wasn't that you were well dressed and spoken, it also shows a certain level of maturity and a lot of hard work to be where you both were. whatever you've both been through will undoubtedly be harder than any work she may offer you and it shows that you potentially are up to the task. she knows these things.
This is very true and I had not looked at it that way. You are probably right. I'm sure the content of what I had to say in the meeting aided in that sign of maturity as well.
It is also a national company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. I'm fairly excited about the opportunity.
look out wacky, SDK is coming for your dentists! :eye:
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Hahaha. Yes Wacky, look the eff out!
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I applied for a job (which didn't involve studying law at UVA) and they had me take a roughly hour-long standardized test (complete with algebra and analogies) and a personality profile thing before the initial interview.
Is this a thing? Seems really weird to me.
yes, my recent job dalliance involved about 6 hours of online testing and full psych phone convo
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Meeting Monday at 3!
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Good news/bad news. Good news is there is a position open. Bad news it is JC. Good news is 90 days of paid training to build a client base.
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Possibly a position in Topeka before too long. Was hoping to be moving to KC and working in Topeka. Decisions.
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any particular reason for kc?
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oh man.. sdk is going to be wacky2.0.. make sure you have a fun account reserve built up sdk
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Possibly a position in Topeka before too long. Was hoping to be moving to KC and working in Topeka. Decisions.
what line of business?
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any particular reason for kc?
I'm done with Topeka. Nothing for me in mhk.
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oh man.. sdk is going to be wacky2.0.. make sure you have a fun account reserve built up sdk
Hahaha I'm single. Don't have to worry about such things. Though I already have 4 bank accounts.
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Possibly a position in Topeka before too long. Was hoping to be moving to KC and working in Topeka. Decisions.
what line of business?
Sales. I don't want to really say more.
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it's not prostitution is it?
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it's not prostitution is it?
I'd rather not say...
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it's not prostitution is it?
That falls under customer service
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it's not prostitution is it?
That falls under customer service
True. No it is not prostitution.
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Prostitution is both sales and ops, a real entrepreneurial endeavor.
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I was told it's the oldest profession and that they started the first bank.
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Big grain loan has a great potential employee.
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Big grain loan has a great potential employee.
Huh?
Oh and I don't want to say anymore about the company because of how I started this all off on here. Anonymity and whatnot.
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Big grain loan has a great potential employee.
Huh?
Oh and I don't want to say anymore about the company because of how I started this all off on here. Anonymity and whatnot.
I was just making a joke.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_banking
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Ahhh apparently I was misinformed.
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Submitted my cover letter and resume last night. I was a bit nervous as this would be my first grown up attempt. I reached out to Canary to assist. I'm glad I did, I wouldn't have come up with such a fantastic cover letter.
My name is SdK, and I am writing this letter in pursuit of a ----------- position with your company. I have work experience in many areas, and am now pursuing work in the sales industry. I am at a position in life where I am ready to settle into a career in which I am able to contribute my skills and abilities, while looking forward to advancement along the way.
I began working at age fifteen. I have experience in food service, sales, construction, and warehouse. While these are all very different industries, many of the personal skills required are similar. I am hard-working and pay close attention to detail. I make sure that my work reflects the expectations of my supervisor and the company. I have met work completion quotas, and have always been able to, at the very least, keep up with my coworkers. I am not afraid to do my share, and I do it diligently. I am always motivated to work well, make my mark, and meet expectations
I am a person who knows myself well; the limitations and the gifts that I possess. I want to be a part of an organization where my skills will be put to use, I will be challenged to improve myself, and my contributions will be necessary and appreciated. I am an honest person, with myself and others. I expect a lot of myself, and can be my own biggest critic. I do, however, seek out feedback on my performance in an effort to improve. That being said, I believe I can bring some very positive characteristics to the organization. I am very accepting of others, their personalities and their situations. I work to find common ground with them, and fully engage in the conversation and discussion. I am intelligent, outgoing, and respectful. I have always been able to work well with the others on the job team, and I can follow or lead, depending on what is necessary.
I appreciate any consideration you would make towards my application. If I can give any further information or provide a reference for you please let me know. I look forward to hearing from you.
Given that I don't have much experience in the field, I think it works. If anyone has any advice on its content and advice moving forward, id love to get feedback. I've already submitted that one, but I feel I'll probably have to do another one later in life. Also will probably want resume help next time as well.
I mainly made this post because I am thankful for the wording and phrasing that Canary helped me create.
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I emailed my friend to let them know I had submitted for the jobs we had spoken about on Monday. They are the regional manager for the company, I'm hoping they will have some HR pull. This was their reply.
Thank you so much. I really appreciated meeting with you the other day. I will let HR know you have applied. I hope it works out as I think you would have a bright future with us.
Fingers crossed!
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Nice.
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There are a number of changes I would make. At the very least, you need to clean up your grammar. In terms of content, you've said a lot of good, but generic, things about yourself. It would be better to take the further step of making the connection between those general traits and how those traits will benefit the company w/r/t the specific role you're applying for.
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For which you're applying.
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For which you're applying.
And I suppose you think it's not "proper grammar" to begin a sentence with a conjunction? :ROFL:
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Thanks for the advice. What specifically is wrong with the grammar?
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Thanks for the advice. What specifically is wrong with the grammar?
Comma usage. Some shouldn't be there; some should be added. Also, the semicolon is used incorrectly (unlike the previous sentence). And you were inconsistent with your use of the Oxford Comma--either use it, or don't.
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Fair enough
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Wgaf about an Oxford comma
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Not me, but I asked for advice and now have to listen to it.
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Wgaf about an Oxford comma
Well, well, well... Looks like a-punk just showed up itt.
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I thought so. It was quite fortuitous. I think it bodes well that she approached me based upon being well dressed and well spoken.
We shall see!
it wasn't that you were well dressed and spoken, it also shows a certain level of maturity and a lot of hard work to be where you both were. whatever you've both been through will undoubtedly be harder than any work she may offer you and it shows that you potentially are up to the task. she knows these things.
Yep. Well put, clams.
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Wgaf about an Oxford comma
:love:
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the Oxford Comma--either use it, or don't.
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the Oxford Comma--either use it, or don't.
yes
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Also:
Thanks for the advice. What specifically is wrong with the grammar?
Oxford Comma--either use it, or don't.
Don't use a comma there.
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Also:
Thanks for the advice. What specifically is wrong with the grammar?
Oxford Comma--either use it, or don't.
Don't use a comma there.
Wrong. (You) either use it, or (you) don't.
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3 of the most successful ppl I know have worse grammar than I do, so you all can get mumped!
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Also:
Thanks for the advice. What specifically is wrong with the grammar?
Oxford Comma--either use it, or don't.
Don't use a comma there.
Wrong. (You) either use it, or (you) don't.
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You don't use commas with correlative conjunctions.
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I would think you would if you have two independent clauses
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I would think you would if you have two independent clauses
This. To be fair, you could use a comma or not, and it would be perfectly fine either way. If you use a comma, then you're repeating the implied imperative subject (you).
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i quit using them for a while but that didn't stick oh well
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=5726.0
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Hate grammar, love commas, I use the eff out of them, probably incorrectly,
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goEMAW. Come for the #LUNCHACKERS thread, stay for the grammar discussion.
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For which you're applying.
And I suppose you think it's not "proper grammar" to begin a sentence with a conjunction? :ROFL:
how do you feel about using a colon immediately following a verb? that one is irritating
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i just put in a comma or period wherever i would pause when speaking and call it a day. the only thing that can go wrong is dumbasses not reading it in my voice
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3 of the most successful ppl I know have worse grammar than I do, so you all can get mumped!
imagine how much farther they could've gotten
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i just put in a comma or period wherever i would pause when speaking and call it a day. the only thing that can go wrong is dumbasses not reading it in my voice
This is the standard that writing should have, grammar is for anal nerds
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I agree. I try to follow the rules as best I can, but I am terrible at grammar. I'll just keep a grammar friend for editing as necessary.
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3 of the most successful ppl I know have worse grammar than I do, so you all can get mumped!
imagine how much farther they could've gotten
further*
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I think "farther they could have went" works best here.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37461.msg1541934#msg1541934
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i just put in a comma or period wherever i would pause when speaking and call it a day. the only thing that can go wrong is dumbasses not reading it in my voice
this is my method also.
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3 of the most successful ppl I know have worse grammar than I do, so you all can get mumped!
imagine how much farther they could've gotten
further*
see what i mean
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For which you're applying.
And I suppose you think it's not "proper grammar" to begin a sentence with a conjunction? :ROFL:
how do you feel about using a colon immediately following a verb? that one is irritating
Big fan. I usually use it after saying something along the lines of "I have to crap."
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Not only is Spracne a law student, but apparently, he is a distinguished linguist. I, for one, am not surprised.
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@mocat get in here and suck my diction.
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Is there anything better than giving your two week notice and being told you can leave now with your two weeks pay? The answer is no. I should have given a months notice.
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Is there anything better than giving your two week notice and being told you can leave now with your two weeks pay? The answer is no. I should have given a months notice.
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Um, you just said there is nothing better and then immediately listed something that would have been better. :dunno:
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He clearly said the answer is no, smdh lady gooch
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Is there anything better than giving your two week notice and being told you can leave now with your two weeks pay? The answer is no. I should have given a months notice.
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Um, you just said there is nothing better and then immediately listed something that would have been better. :dunno:
Good point.
I'm not sure if they would have paid me for a month.
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Is there anything better than giving your two week notice and being told you can leave now with your two weeks pay? The answer is no. I should have given a months notice.
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Nice work I expect to see your BBS efforts doubled and re doubled this next week.
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My boss was looking for something yesterday, mentioned that he's real bad about losing things, and added that that's why he can't prove that he's a U.S. citizen.
So, here's the story. His dad was in the CIA. My boss was born in Italy and lived all over Europe and Africa as a boy. His parents got divorced when he was a teenager and he moved to the U.S. for the first time with his mom. He said his mom gave him his birth certificate after he turned 18 and, being bad about losing things, he'd lost track of it before he even got back to his house.
The first time he attempted to replace it was only a few years ago. He learned that, in the interim, the hospital he was born in had flooded, the old embassy had burned to the ground, and all records of his birth were lost. He called the State Department about it and they informed him that he could get a new birth certificate made if he and a parent came to Washington DC and paid a $2500 fee. But by that time, both of his parents were dead.
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Amaze
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Is there anything better than giving your two week notice and being told you can leave now with your two weeks pay? The answer is no. I should have given a months notice.
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Nice work I expect to see your BBS efforts doubled and re doubled this next week.
Well, I've got a huge list of things to do to get our house on the market.
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Is there anything better than giving your two week notice and being told you can leave now with your two weeks pay? The answer is no. I should have given a months notice.
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Nice work I expect to see your BBS efforts doubled and re doubled this next week.
Well, I've got a huge list of things to do to get our house on the market.
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You could have a dead hooker in the living room with a massive blood stain on the carpet and sell your house 10k above asking in the Dallas housing market right now.
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Thank you, Toyota.
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Working at a golf course this summer getting paid 9 bucks an hour, free golf, free pool. Pretty great imo
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Working at a golf course this summer getting paid 9 bucks an hour, free golf, free pool. Pretty great imo
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Golf course work is pretty cool. Free golf is always a huge benny.
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Country Club, Gregg? Or are you back home for the summer?
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Working at a golf course this summer getting paid 9 bucks an hour, free golf, free pool. Pretty great imo
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Golf course work is pretty cool. Free golf is always a huge benny.
Pro tip. DO NOT BECOME A CADDY.
ESPECIALLY DO NOT BECOME A CADDY IF YOUR AN IMPRESSIONABLE TEENAGER WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT GOLF BUT REALLY LOVE THE MOVIE CADDYSHACK AND THINK, "WOW, THIS WOULD BE REALLY FUN".
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Country Club, Gregg? Or are you back home for the summer?
Back home for the summer
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Working at a golf course this summer getting paid 9 bucks an hour, free golf, free pool. Pretty great imo
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Golf course work is pretty cool. Free golf is always a huge benny.
Pro tip. DO NOT BECOME A CADDY.
ESPECIALLY DO NOT BECOME A CADDY IF YOUR AN IMPRESSIONABLE TEENAGER WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT GOLF BUT REALLY LOVE THE MOVIE CADDYSHACK AND THINK, "WOW, THIS WOULD BE REALLY FUN".
Not a caddie they don't have those here. I'm an outside maintenance person
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Country Club, Gregg? Or are you back home for the summer?
Back home for the summer
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Damn haha. I play the Manhattan CC from time to time.
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My boss was looking for something yesterday, mentioned that he's real bad about losing things, and added that that's why he can't prove that he's a U.S. citizen.
So, here's the story. His dad was in the CIA. My boss was born in Italy and lived all over Europe and Africa as a boy. His parents got divorced when he was a teenager and he moved to the U.S. for the first time with his mom. He said his mom gave him his birth certificate after he turned 18 and, being bad about losing things, he'd lost track of it before he even got back to his house.
The first time he attempted to replace it was only a few years ago. He learned that, in the interim, the hospital he was born in had flooded, the old embassy had burned to the ground, and all records of his birth were lost. He called the State Department about it and they informed him that he could get a new birth certificate made if he and a parent came to Washington DC and paid a $2500 fee. But by that time, both of his parents were dead.
There is like a 90+% chance your boss is a compulsive liar.
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My boss was looking for something yesterday, mentioned that he's real bad about losing things, and added that that's why he can't prove that he's a U.S. citizen.
So, here's the story. His dad was in the CIA. My boss was born in Italy and lived all over Europe and Africa as a boy. His parents got divorced when he was a teenager and he moved to the U.S. for the first time with his mom. He said his mom gave him his birth certificate after he turned 18 and, being bad about losing things, he'd lost track of it before he even got back to his house.
The first time he attempted to replace it was only a few years ago. He learned that, in the interim, the hospital he was born in had flooded, the old embassy had burned to the ground, and all records of his birth were lost. He called the State Department about it and they informed him that he could get a new birth certificate made if he and a parent came to Washington DC and paid a $2500 fee. But by that time, both of his parents were dead.
There is like a 90+% chance your boss is a compulsive liar.
Not compulsive. That's the only story like that he's told. Plus, outside of occasional human error, he's like never wrong about anything. Like, he's very smart, knows the difference between what he knows and what he doesn't, and doesn't bullshit. I'd be willing to bet that the story is true.
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I don't think there is much need for a birth certificate once you get a Drivers license or passport. Maybe the birth certificate could help him get dual citizenship in Italy or something?
That story would make a good set up for Bourne type mystery movie - I can see the montage of the hospital flooding and the embassy burning as I type this
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Hey guys... I'm totally bored and ready to go to work. I feel like such a loser.
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you have a pool bud, enjoy
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You are.
Get ripped or something.
Go volunteer.
Help someone do something.
Visit a library.
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Drink beer in the pool till you look like this
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdudespaper.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F03%2Fuli-pool.jpg&hash=129b7c14016b4179b03265f212125ba3479f9053)
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The owner of my company thinks I should visit his family's place on Flathead Lake in Montana. They'll put me up, he says. They have a number of cabins, he says.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rwink.com%2Frobwinkmontana%2Fimages%2Fsunrise2.jpg&hash=f267dcaa95e99c82994f5229c5f2907342a4d6cb)
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:thumbs:
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these people are Mormons, huh?
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i have been to flathead lake. one of the most beautiful places i've ever been.
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these people are Mormons, huh?
Or maybe even an actual cult.
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these people are Mormons, huh?
Hutterites
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Start my new job tomorrow! Half day of orientation! I get my own desk and computer! I won't be a cubiclista, though! I will be in a glass bubble, however! I will be working with the public in a nationwide capacity! My strong suit, shirt and tie!!!! (pants optional)!!!!! :gocho:
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Start my new job tomorrow! Half day of orientation! I get my own desk and computer! I won't be a cubiclista, though! I will be in a glass bubble, however! I will be working with the public in a nationwide capacity! My strong suit, shirt and tie!!!! (pants optional)!!!!! :gocho:
this the 12 step lead?
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Nope. Lost touch with that person. Found another lead in the same line of work. My mismanagement of my financial aid loans inhibited me from obtaining that job. Found that out Tuesday. Encouraged to set up a payment plan and reapply. I most likely will. They and I were both very disappointed.
This job I'm starting is not a sales job.
The woman I dated isn't in the program. I wouldn't date inside the rooms.
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Just because I worked in the business and I know loans too well, did you hit default by chance? You don't have to answer that, but I did help a lot of students get out of that situation back in the day. If you're still considering going back to school in the long scheme of things and want to get out of default. Try making 6 consecutive payments (easier said then done, I know) and then you can apply for loans again to go back to school. Just some friendly advice.
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Oh yeah I defaulted big time. The job I was pursuing required getting licensed and with the defaults they wouldn't do it.
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It happens to a lot of ppl, friend. Hope this job goes great for you.
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We shall see! Thank you.
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I've had a job for 5 weeks, guys! :billdance:
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you're welcome, sdk.
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Thank you, Don Jon.
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So, about two weeks ago I was talking to a coworker who had just returned from a vacation. I asked her how it was. Her eyes got big, she shook her head in disbelief, and couldn't find the words to describe it. She's currently going through a divorce and she tells me that she ended up on this vacation with her parents and her soon to be ex-husband's parents because the travel arrangements were paid for prior to the break up. She says, "I just learned some things about my ex that I did not know about before." I was like, "Ohh, oh no." Then she says that he's no longer allowed to see their daughter. A few seconds later she adds that he's definitely in some legal trouble. I didn't want to be nosy, so I just told her that I was sorry to hear it and wished her well. She said something about meeting with the best divorce lawyer in the city and repeated that the ex would never see their daughter again.
I kept wondering if the ex was arrested for drugs or what. Finally, my curiosity got the best of me and I got his name via facebook and then googled it. It turns out he was chatting with someone online who he thought was a 15 year-old girl, drove two hours to have sex with her, and was arrested To Catch a Predator style when he arrived.
The end.
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This this happen before or after the break up?
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This this happen before or after the break up?
Almost positive after. And I'm really hoping that the arrest didn't cause the breakup and what she then found out about on vacation was something WORSE.
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I've had a job for 5 weeks, guys! :billdance:
Nice work. Also, change your LinkedIn profile pic to something more professional. My work pays for premium for us, so I know when someone views my profile.
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Hahahaha I plan on it. Ill do it when I update my title with the company shortly. :)
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Canary approves of your message, Wacky. He said the same thing.
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:thumbs: I live on that site. Good things can come from it.
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:thumbs: I live on that site. Good things can come from it.
I spend a fair amount of time on there actually myself. Got my first connection today with someone I had been working on an estimate for.
Was able to take a 60k sale to 120k and a new link in my network.
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Nice
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Changed the pic. Haha
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New job starts monday. Will be happy to have a paycheck again.
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Congrats, Dlew.
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Congratulations D12
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:emawkid:
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:kstategrad: :gocho: :comeatme: :Woot:
:D :D :D :D
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deets!
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Promoted to a salaried position (my first ever) with the company I started with a couple months ago.
I countered their initial offer and they accepted my counter. Which means I didn't counter high enough but oh well.
100% of insurance premiums covered.
Assorted other incentives and bonuses.
Flexible work hours and freedom to work from home some days. It's a relaxed environment in a small company. I'll be working directly under the owner and he's very accessible but also very hands off.
I'm excited about the new opportunity. The potential for growth and travel. The challenges it will provide. Also the fact that a lot of my strengths will be put to use. Most of all, I am appreciated and respected.
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That's awesome SdK! Congrats man!
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Thanks, TBT. :D
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Sweet deal. Congrats!
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you are the man sdk
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Nice job dude!
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well done sdk
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Thanks, gents.
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Congratulations SdK!
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So I was the first to congrats, I'm also here to say, because it's a salary position, don't let them take advantage.
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If you're as valued as you think, don't let it become more than the job. I'm hourly which allows me to flex hours. I'm sure you have it under control SdK, but just want you to be aware.
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Congratulations SdK!
Thank you, sir.So I was the first to congrats, I'm also here to say, because it's a salary position, don't let them take advantage.
If you're as valued as you think, don't let it become more than the job. I'm hourly which allows me to flex hours. I'm sure you have it under control SdK, but just want you to be aware.
I thank you for the advice. I will watch for that. I had a much longer reply written that I just deleted. Suffice to say, my happiness is my highest priority. I will make professional decisions as such.
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It was just a long winding explanation as to why I don't think I'll be taken advantage of. The truth is, I don't know. We shall see and I'll keep my eyes open. :D
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Congratulations SdK!
Thank you, sir.So I was the first to congrats, I'm also here to say, because it's a salary position, don't let them take advantage.
If you're as valued as you think, don't let it become more than the job. I'm hourly which allows me to flex hours. I'm sure you have it under control SdK, but just want you to be aware.
I thank you for the advice. I will watch for that. I had a much longer reply written that I just deleted. Suffice to say, my happiness is my highest priority. I will make professional decisions as such.
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I no longer have one.
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i have 2, maybe 3-4, depending on the fall. 1) an independent pizza place in white center, seattle, that is universally adored, chill af, and full of punks with tats and other great staff. free pizza, fam/punky atmosphere, and zero mental responsibility after i leave. 2) a job teaching special ed at a middle school. wonderful kids, great school, much free swag, and every day i feel good about what i do.
3) prolly selling tulips at pike place market on saturday mornings
4) prolly gillnetting in puget sound oct/november, bc i hate my life and am an inveterate fisherman who hates my body
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I no longer have one.
:frown:
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Or :D?
Retired? Come into a lot of money?
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So, last week, we had a company wide meeting regarding open enrollment. Going in, we'd been told that the owner/CEO of the company was going to give us some info on a second voluntary life insurance product available starting in 2018. Once we were in there, I started realizing that it sounded more like a sales pitch and that the owner/CEO must be getting some sales commission. THEN, I get this in my email this morning:
As a follow up to [redacted]’s conversation with everyone on Friday regarding our new whole life insurance product, we will be reaching out to each of you to schedule 30 minutes to explain exactly how the new product will work for you personally and what the cost will be for you and your family. Thank you!
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Holy mother of god. I have a "client" that was cleared to go with us, but needed to drive up to the Canadian border to get her Visa stamped from Indiana to proceed. Turns out our lawyers forgot to put the address down on the contract and now she's driving back because they turned her down. Doesn't want to stop for us to send her a new one. She's just going to drive back there tomorrow.
:sdeek:
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Holy mother of god. I have a "client" that was cleared to go with us, but needed to drive up to the Canadian border to get her Visa stamped from Indiana to proceed. Turns out our lawyers forgot to put the address down on the contract and now she's driving back because they turned her down. Doesn't want to stop for us to send her a new one. She's just going to drive back there tomorrow.
:sdeek:
I don't understand any of this, but I especially don't understand the bolded.
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Holy mother of god. I have a "client" that was cleared to go with us, but needed to drive up to the Canadian border to get her Visa stamped from Indiana to proceed. Turns out our lawyers forgot to put the address down on the contract and now she's driving back because they turned her down. Doesn't want to stop for us to send her a new one. She's just going to drive back there tomorrow.
:sdeek:
I don't understand any of this, but I especially don't understand the bolded.
my guess is he meant to type India instead of Indiana but it's still pretty confusing
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When you have a Work Visa, you have to have your new contract stamped at the border for proof of your new job. Unfortunately, whatever the contract the lawyers put together wasn't enough and said candidate was just going to turn around and come back tomorrow. I finally stopped them in South Mich and put them up in a hotel for the night and fedex the new legal document they'd need. Been a crazy day.
This work visa candidate is from Canada.
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They've been working in Indiana if that clears anything up. Maybe it doesn't tho. On a work visa you need a new stamp for each change of employment.
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Damn, mocat deleted his idiotic post. :frown:
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When you have a Work Visa, you have to have your new contract stamped at the border for proof of your new job. Unfortunately, whatever the contract the lawyers put together wasn't enough and said candidate was just going to turn around and come back tomorrow. I finally stopped them in South Mich and put them up in a hotel for the night and fedex the new legal document they'd need. Been a crazy day.
This work visa candidate is from Canada.
Which don't get me started on this either. They drove 2 hours north past Detroit to another border. :confused:
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Damn, mocat deleted his idiotic post. :frown:
it sounds like you stopped them like 45 minutes from the border wacks, but then again i don't have a geography minor
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They were about 2 hours away from the border when they called me (heading back). Heading west from Sarnia, Canada . They drove up from Indy today. It's a crazy weird scenario. Why did they go so far north to hit a border?
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USA only performs immigration actions at the borders? that doesn't make sense.
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None of it makes sense to me. That's why management and our lawyers handle it. Not that you care, but there's this: http://canadiansinusa.com/Working-in-the-US/h-1b-visa.html
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I'm completely lost. At the same time, I feel like the story is most enjoyable that way.
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I'm lost too, I was just told today they'd need the stamp and they are supposed to start tomorrow. :runaway: I literally was like "what?" in the meeting.
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cant they just go to the nearest airport or ice office or post office or some such?
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I would think so, but we just signed this candidate a few weeks ago, so maybe there wasn't enough time. :dunno: I honestly don't know how any of this works.
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I will say this, Trump has mumped a lot of this type of stuff up in the last year. It's 10X harder.
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So, last week, we had a company wide meeting regarding open enrollment. Going in, we'd been told that the owner/CEO of the company was going to give us some info on a second voluntary life insurance product available starting in 2018. Once we were in there, I started realizing that it sounded more like a sales pitch and that the owner/CEO must be getting some sales commission. THEN, I get this in my email this morning:
As a follow up to [redacted]’s conversation with everyone on Friday regarding our new whole life insurance product, we will be reaching out to each of you to schedule 30 minutes to explain exactly how the new product will work for you personally and what the cost will be for you and your family. Thank you!
what in the world lol? is your boss selling aflac on the side?
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I will say this, Drumpf has mumped a lot of this type of stuff up in the last year. It's 10X harder.
Indeed, my gf got here visa renewal rejected today for insufficient evidence, whatever tf that means (haven't read the letter yet). We're hoping to get some of this sorted out tomorrow. She's been here for 4 years for fucks sake.
She's been applying to get it renewed since January, and everything was fine until you can guess what day. Got a lawyer helping her out and everything. The whole thing is stupid.
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I had an Irish friend with a master's degree in mathematics from Northwestern, been here 4 years and employed in his field. His Visa renewal was denied in May, so he had to leave. Silliness.
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I've lost 4 docs this year because of this.
Also, found out why they went to the other border location. I guess it takes 3X as long in Detroit to be seen vs this other border. Makes sense.
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Good job trump
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So, last week, we had a company wide meeting regarding open enrollment. Going in, we'd been told that the owner/CEO of the company was going to give us some info on a second voluntary life insurance product available starting in 2018. Once we were in there, I started realizing that it sounded more like a sales pitch and that the owner/CEO must be getting some sales commission. THEN, I get this in my email this morning:
As a follow up to [redacted]’s conversation with everyone on Friday regarding our new whole life insurance product, we will be reaching out to each of you to schedule 30 minutes to explain exactly how the new product will work for you personally and what the cost will be for you and your family. Thank you!
what in the world lol? is your boss selling aflac on the side?
This reminded me that I haven't heard a good update on chum's job and didn't know where to go to find one. Is it this thread?
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This reminded me that I haven't heard a good update on chum's job and didn't know where to go to find one. Is it this thread?
The last good update was the Charlie Sheen door. That may have been in the hilarious things at the office thread.
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:thumbs:
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I've been at my job for over six months now. I'm feeling totally comfortable with everything, so I figured it's time to do some scheming to start working from home part time. For Phase I of my plan, I told my boss that I'm setting up a workstation at my house for those winter days when kids are home sick from school or the weather is bad. He was like, "Aww, yeah, dude. I'm all about working from home." (He does himself a fair amount.) "What do you need? Docking station, monitors? I'll get those ordered." Apparently, there is neither a need for me to go to the store this time nor for any additional phases to my plan.
My job is so insanely cushy that part of the reason I want to work from home is to see if I can pull off working another job remote. Full time, part time, permanent, contract, whatever. I figure, even if I only last a couple of months, that'll be a shitload of extra money to have without much difficulty.
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:Chirp:
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I've been at my job for over six months now. I'm feeling totally comfortable with everything, so I figured it's time to do some scheming to start working from home part time. For Phase I of my plan, I told my boss that I'm setting up a workstation at my house for those winter days when kids are home sick from school or the weather is bad. He was like, "Aww, yeah, dude. I'm all about working from home." (He does himself a fair amount.) "What do you need? Docking station, monitors? I'll get those ordered." Apparently, there is neither a need for me to go to the store this time nor for any additional phases to my plan.
My job is so insanely cushy that part of the reason I want to work from home is to see if I can pull off working another job remote. Full time, part time, permanent, contract, whatever. I figure, even if I only last a couple of months, that'll be a shitload of extra money to have without much difficulty.
I roll something like that. Consulting work a few times a month for some nice extra coin.
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I no longer have one.
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Never saw this reply. I went full-time gambool. It's been great so far. Super-stressful sometimes but usually a breeze.
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@chum1 You should see if there's some sort of PT job out there for retweeting MSNBC hottakes 24/7/365 :thumbsup:
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So, last week, we had a company wide meeting regarding open enrollment. Going in, we'd been told that the owner/CEO of the company was going to give us some info on a second voluntary life insurance product available starting in 2018. Once we were in there, I started realizing that it sounded more like a sales pitch and that the owner/CEO must be getting some sales commission. THEN, I get this in my email this morning:
As a follow up to [redacted]’s conversation with everyone on Friday regarding our new whole life insurance product, we will be reaching out to each of you to schedule 30 minutes to explain exactly how the new product will work for you personally and what the cost will be for you and your family. Thank you!
what in the world lol? is your boss selling aflac on the side?
Certainly seems that way. Like, if he was just doing a favor or quid pro quo for a friend or whatever, wouldn't the friend be the one doing the selling? Here is the follow up:
Thank you for those of you that participated in the open enrollment meeting last Friday. I appreciated the opportunity to share with you a little bit about the new product we will be offering through Mass Mutual this year. I would like to invite you to set up a time to meet with me one on one and learn a little bit more about the product and its potential value for you and your family. Please reach out to myself or [redacted] via email and I will look forward to sitting down and discussing the details of the offering. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
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So, last week, we had a company wide meeting regarding open enrollment. Going in, we'd been told that the owner/CEO of the company was going to give us some info on a second voluntary life insurance product available starting in 2018. Once we were in there, I started realizing that it sounded more like a sales pitch and that the owner/CEO must be getting some sales commission. THEN, I get this in my email this morning:
As a follow up to [redacted]’s conversation with everyone on Friday regarding our new whole life insurance product, we will be reaching out to each of you to schedule 30 minutes to explain exactly how the new product will work for you personally and what the cost will be for you and your family. Thank you!
what in the world lol? is your boss selling aflac on the side?
Certainly seems that way. Like, if he was just doing a favor or quid pro quo for a friend or whatever, wouldn't the friend be the one doing the selling? Here is the follow up:
Thank you for those of you that participated in the open enrollment meeting last Friday. I appreciated the opportunity to share with you a little bit about the new product we will be offering through Mass Mutual this year. I would like to invite you to set up a time to meet with me one on one and learn a little bit more about the product and its potential value for you and your family. Please reach out to myself or [redacted] via email and I will look forward to sitting down and discussing the details of the offering. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
bet when he's "working from home" he's really enrolling at other companies.
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:Chirp:
So are you gonna be making decisions instead of just estimating what decisions could be made?
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I will say this, Drumpf has mumped a lot of this type of stuff up in the last year. It's 10X harder.
Indeed, my gf got here visa renewal rejected today for insufficient evidence, whatever tf that means (haven't read the letter yet). We're hoping to get some of this sorted out tomorrow. She's been here for 4 years for fucks sake.
She's been applying to get it renewed since January, and everything was fine until you can guess what day. Got a lawyer helping her out and everything. The whole thing is stupid.
Sounds like someone is turning up the pressure for a proposal.
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I will say this, Drumpf has mumped a lot of this type of stuff up in the last year. It's 10X harder.
Indeed, my gf got here visa renewal rejected today for insufficient evidence, whatever tf that means (haven't read the letter yet). We're hoping to get some of this sorted out tomorrow. She's been here for 4 years for fucks sake.
She's been applying to get it renewed since January, and everything was fine until you can guess what day. Got a lawyer helping her out and everything. The whole thing is stupid.
Sounds like someone is turning up the pressure for a proposal.
Yea not to derail this thread but cfbandyman should be on high alert.
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I will say this, Drumpf has mumped a lot of this type of stuff up in the last year. It's 10X harder.
Indeed, my gf got here visa renewal rejected today for insufficient evidence, whatever tf that means (haven't read the letter yet). We're hoping to get some of this sorted out tomorrow. She's been here for 4 years for fucks sake.
She's been applying to get it renewed since January, and everything was fine until you can guess what day. Got a lawyer helping her out and everything. The whole thing is stupid.
Sounds like someone is turning up the pressure for a proposal.
Yea not to derail this thread but cfbandyman should be on high alert.
She's had a rough go already with this sort of stuff, I won't get into details but suffice to say she's been through a marriage already, guy was a POS, she doesn't want to deal with that angle. Trust me I was the one who broached that approach.
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So you guys who work from home, do you have an “office” that you work from? When I say “office” it could be an extra bedroom or an actual in home office. Somewhere you go that when you walk in that area it’s just for work.
I’m currently evaluating my living situation and wanting to scale up. I have a million ideas for applications and stuff. My issue is I don’t have a dedicated office space to focus. When I leave work and come home, I don’t want to intermingle watching TV with working on projects. Right now i just leave and go to Radinas/Bluestem/Hale/etc.
When I’m at work I am focused all day because that’s my work space. Money calls and eventually I’ll have the opportunity to make exponentially what I make now. In the mean time I have ideas that could be making me money, but have no space at home to be in the proper mindset.
Thoughts?
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So you guys who work from home, do you have an “office” that you work from? When I say “office” it could be an extra bedroom or an actual in home office. Somewhere you go that when you walk in that area it’s just for work.
I’m currently evaluating my living situation and wanting to scale up. I have a million ideas for applications and stuff. My issue is I don’t have a dedicated office space to focus. When I leave work and come home, I don’t want to intermingle watching TV with working on projects. Right now i just leave and go to Radinas/Bluestem/Hale/etc.
When I’m at work I am focused all day because that’s my work space. Money calls and eventually I’ll have the opportunity to make exponentially what I make now. In the mean time I have ideas that could be making me money, but have no space at home to be in the proper mindset.
Thoughts?
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:dubious:
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If you can't trust yourself around a TV, working from home is not for you.
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If you can't trust yourself around a TV, working from home is not for you.
I’ve worked from home before. I don’t now it’s just development ideas that I work on for fun. Like i said it’s more of a mindset, instead of working on stuff sitting on the couch I would like my desk to not be where I sleep or relax.
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Sounds like you need a home office dude
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:dubious:
both my bros work from home and both have a separate office. one is in the basement and the other has an adjacent room to the living room.
they both like the flexibility but think they don't like having any office mates to chat with.
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I don't find there is anything on TV during the day that is distracting at all. I'm perfectly capable of getting work done with The People's Court going on in the background.
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I don't find there is anything on TV during the day that is distracting at all. I'm perfectly capable of getting work done with The People's Court going on in the background.
I like the background noise. Parks and rec has me lol'ing while I work from home.
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10-11 I'd be glued to price is right if I was home
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I have an office space in my home. No TV in there. I run a box fan for white noise or stream some tunes.
Having a separate space definitely helps me with focus. I can crank through projects quite well. If I'm just monitoring email, I'll move to the couch for some ESPN noise and a focus break.
Don't miss co-worker interruptions at all. I get enough of that when I travel to one of the locations I support.
I have co-workers that will dress for the day as they would for a meeting. They claim it gets them in work mode. I'm in stretchy pants and sweatshirt when I'm home.
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A couple of people I work with listen to TV while they work. Like Seinfeld or whatever. They say it makes they day go by super fast.
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Looking to get into the job market and maybe looking to network with some fellow tech cats. I'm a Computer Science major and currently looking for IT jobs over the summer in either MHK or Wichita. If you know any stud cats that are willing to help an undergrad out pm me! I have been looking and applied for internships one of em I won't hear back from til next week. TIA
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Convinced my work to put in double monitors at home for "late night working". Best sale I've ever made.
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Looking to get into the job market and maybe looking to network with some fellow tech cats. I'm a Computer Science major and currently looking for IT jobs over the summer in either MHK or Wichita. If you know any stud cats that are willing to help an undergrad out pm me! I have been looking and applied for internships one of em I won't hear back from til next week. TIA
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I don't know how much pull he has, but i'd reach out to @The Big Train
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Looking to get into the job market and maybe looking to network with some fellow tech cats. I'm a Computer Science major and currently looking for IT jobs over the summer in either MHK or Wichita. If you know any stud cats that are willing to help an undergrad out pm me! I have been looking and applied for internships one of em I won't hear back from til next week. TIA
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I don't know how much pull he has, but i'd reach out to @The Big Train
We had 2 internship spots this past summer and one still works for us. I don’t know if we will have another one this summer or not. We usually don’t advertise it until late tho.
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when I "work from home" I go to my local library and I LOVE IT. I probably get twice as much work done in an afternoon at the library as I do two full days in the office.
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Yeah I like going to a public place. I find that if someone can view my screen I tend to stay off of the ole message boards and social sites and stick to doing what I actually needed to get done
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Looking to get into the job market and maybe looking to network with some fellow tech cats. I'm a Computer Science major and currently looking for IT jobs over the summer in either MHK or Wichita. If you know any stud cats that are willing to help an undergrad out pm me! I have been looking and applied for internships one of em I won't hear back from til next week. TIA
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I don't know how much pull he has, but i'd reach out to @The Big Train
We had 2 internship spots this past summer and one still works for us. I don’t know if we will have another one this summer or not. We usually don’t advertise it until late tho.
Who is we? Pm me.
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I don't find there is anything on TV during the day that is distracting at all. I'm perfectly capable of getting work done with The People's Court going on in the background.
ESPN is good background noise until Highly Questionable comes on then I'm f'd for 30 min.
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Tbt I did my #coding homework at aggie station while pounding booze and got a's on all the projects just saying :th_twocents:
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Looking to get into the job market and maybe looking to network with some fellow tech cats. I'm a Computer Science major and currently looking for IT jobs over the summer in either MHK or Wichita. If you know any stud cats that are willing to help an undergrad out pm me! I have been looking and applied for internships one of em I won't hear back from til next week. TIA
Are you looking to intern at a computer place or to do computer things at any sort of place?
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Looking to get into the job market and maybe looking to network with some fellow tech cats. I'm a Computer Science major and currently looking for IT jobs over the summer in either MHK or Wichita. If you know any stud cats that are willing to help an undergrad out pm me! I have been looking and applied for internships one of em I won't hear back from til next week. TIA
Are you looking to intern at a computer place or to do computer things at any sort of place?
Anything I can get my hands on Trim.
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think he meant "any trim i can get my hands on" :Keke:
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I don't find there is anything on TV during the day that is distracting at all. I'm perfectly capable of getting work done with The People's Court going on in the background.
I like the background noise. Parks and rec has me lol'ing while I work from home.
but cube farms rule!
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They don't necessarily rule, but I enjoy lol'ing over dumb crap with my coworkers
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Working from home is great because I just get all my crap done in a few hours and can do whatever I want from there.
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Working from home is great because I just get all my crap done in a few hours and can do whatever I want from there.
Pretty novel idea here!
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My boss and his boss are like work BFFs. My boss didn't come in yesterday (surprise!). So, my boss's boss stopped in to chat with me a couple of times. He seemed kinda antsy or nervous. When I tried to respond to what he was saying, it was like I hadn't said anything and he just kept right on babbling. He picked up plastic bubble packing material, said he almost mistook it for his pool floaties, and held it up to his arm to demonstrate. (He's right that it does actually look like pool floaties.) I laughed/did my best fake laugh and he nervously laughed.
When I came in this morning, I saw an email announcement that two people were fired after I left for the day. In hindsight, my boss's boss was probably dying to talk to someone about what was going on yesterday.
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I feel bad for your bosses boss after that story
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reading that made me nervous
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I think they look like floaties too and have done the same thing with them
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I would think your boss would be kind of old to still be wearing arm floaties in the pool.
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This is a German girl who seems maybe a tad shy of being fully proficient at speaking English. We introduced ourselves and then she just marched me straight to the VP's office and told me I could sit in there and wait if I wanted. I was like "Maybe I'll go find the bathroom and check out the gym. Or even leave and come back in an hour." She said okay and then turned around and walked off.
German girl is now my boss. I have to move into a room with her and some other girl. This will probably be a good time to do some more posting to this thread.
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german huh? what a beautiful case of schadenfreude
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can a job disqualify you for not being vegan or vegetarian? just came across a capital management job that has that requirement. i eat meat.
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I don't think carnivore is a protected class
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Random meat tests for compliance
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Hey friends. Its ben ji here looking for some serious career advice from my IRL buds.
Scenario - Took a new job in sales at a start up company 2.5 years ago. I was the 10th employee and now we have 55ish. I really like my job and the people I work with but my base pay and responsibilities have not risen with the company. About a month ago a recruiter reached out to me on Linkedin about a position with a new company/division a major established player in our industry was starting up that does the exact same thing I currently do.
I interviewed and just killed it (Duh, emaw), they asked about my salary requirements and I told them I was competitively compensated and asked what is the range for this position. "Well we are working on that but will have an offer for you shortly".
2 weeks later the offer comes and the base pay is 17% higher than my current job, bonus structure would be about the same. My baseline for leaving was a 25% increase in base pay but I think the opportunity at the new position would be greater. Only issue is I have a couple of Bonus's at my current job that will pay out in the next 3 months and equal the difference in the base pay.
I mentioned that to the new company and told them I could take the current offer but couldn't start until November. If they want me to start sooner I would need an increase in my base pay to 25% of my current level or would need a signing bonus to offset the difference.
They are working on the signing bonus since they want me to start ASAP and I should find out in a couple of weeks.
Other factors to consider
- Benefits are pretty stupid great at my current job(21 days PTO etc), new job would have like half the PTO starting out.
- I would love to stay at my current job but we just had our year end review a couple of weeks ago. I asked for an increase in base pay of exactly what the other company offered me(17%) saying "With my Skills/Experience, in this economy I think I am worth X BECAUSE X, Y, Z." My current company said "Yeah, here is your 2.25% increase in base pay, congrats. If you want to make more money go sell more".
- I just landed some new clients that should easily knock out my sales number for our fiscal year which started in June.
- New company is poised to grow faster than current company as they already have an existing customer base that already utilize the services we would be offering.
- New company would also have many more layers of bureaucracy to wade through as they have like 500 times more employees. (Hence why it takes forever for their HR to make an offer/counter)
- I want to make/save as much money as possible in the next 10+ years until I become the old sales guy and get a severance package and become a teacher/farmer.
Options - I keep going back and forth and would appreciate suggestions on what I believe my options are.
1. Get signing bonus and take new job.
2. Get signing bonus but bring offer from new company to current company to see if they want to counter offer. If they counter with a better offer than I would stay. (Not sure if I would want to do this as 2 weeks ago they told me I was not worth what I would be asking for and I am afraid they would consider me a person "Looking to leave" etc, but at the same time I really like everyone I work with and the direction the current company is going")
3. Don't get signing bonus and see if they can hold job until after I get my bonuses in Sep/Oct. If not stay at current job and be perfectly content and not mention the fact that I even interviewed for the new job.
4. Don't get singing bonus and turn down new job but show current job my offer letter, tell them I turned it down because I believe in them Yada Yada Yada and ask that they increase my base pay so I wouldnt be tempted by other offers.
Thoughts?
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That’s quite the pickle, bud.
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I had a talk about this with @pissclams recently. The competition was trying to pouch me and I wanted to leverage that for a increase in pay at my current job. ‘Clams said if I’m happy with them, don’t ever try to play your current employer like that, because they’ll never trust you again. I turned down that opportunity and my manager somehow found out about the competition contacting me, because it’s a small market in my world. He asked me what he could do to keep me around. I told him I’m very happy and let’s just chat about a promotion, if possible, when my annual comes up in September. Hoping my loyalty pays off.
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I had a talk about this with @pissclams recently. The competition was trying to pouch me and I wanted to leverage that for a increase in pay at my current job. ‘Clams said if I’m happy with them, don’t ever try to play your current employer like that, because they’ll never trust you again. I turned down that opportunity and my manager somehow found out about the competition contacting me, because it’s a small market in my world. He asked me what he could do to keep me around. I told him I’m very happy and let’s just chat about a promotion, if possible, when my annual comes up in September. Hoping my loyalty pays off.
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Its quite the pickle. As much as I want to shove the new job offer in my Boss's face and say "TOLD YA SO" I also don't want to thought of as the guy that might leave as soon as the next best thing came along so we probably shouldn't promote him.
I'm leaning towards leaving if the money is right but honestly enjoy coming to work everyday and interacting with my fellow employees, but that could just be the beer friday we just had talking....no beer fridays at new company :(
But at the same time I'm here to make as much money as possible before I'm obsolete and have to raise goats in western KS
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Totally get it bud. Feel fortunate that you have these options. Many don’t these days. Mrs. Wacky wanted me to jump ship, but I finally feel like I have a career where I’m at and my boss is amazing and literally let’s me do what I want because my numbers are there. I decided not to risk a good thing, because higher pay doesn’t always mean happiness. I’m actually really happy right now and don’t want to mess that up. Kids could change these type of decisions in the future however. We shall see. Best of luck bud.
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This may seem like a flippant answer but is 100% sincere. I think you should keep your current job and start a side hustle. It would allow you to stay at a job you like and likely allow you to grow your income quicker for your goal to farm/teach.
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this is just me and it's probably not good negotiation advice, but i'd just leave (once the signing bonus is confirmed). you already gave your company a chance to compensate you fairly, they declined. that's all the chance i'd give them. eff them.
that's just me. i don't have the mindset to look at negotiation like some sport where you shake hands at the end and say well played, old man. i'd hate them for it, at least a little bit and it's not good to hate your employer. i've been in situs where i hated an employer, at least a little bit, and it just doesn't turn out great.
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This may seem like a flippant answer but is 100% sincere. I think you should keep your current job and start a side hustle. It would allow you to stay at a job you like and likely allow you to grow your income quicker for your goal to farm/teach.
But if I do stay should I shove the offer letter in their face to let them know that I am worth more than they are paying me and staying just because I like everyone there and think we are heading in the right directions?!?!?
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It sounds like your decision is largely contingent on the signing bonus. My first advice is to not bring in an offer letter or the new salary offer to try and leverage a raise that way. If you don't take the job, don't mention it. If you plan on taking the job and have a good relationship with your boss, mention to him/her (a day or two before you're ready to hand in the 2 week notice) that you've been offered a position with another firm and are considering taking the opportunity. I've always had good luck with just being real with my bosses. I don't play games with them because a: you could lose your job, and/or b: lose a good relationship/reference down the road. If they value you as an employee, the 2 week notice could trigger a better offer from your current company. Basically, let them start that raise convo at that juncture. If they don't start it, it was never coming.
Just always be prepared to be fired on the spot. If you catch someone on a bad day, you never know how they'll react.
Hell, i told my current boss that i was applying for a different job. We have a great relationship though and she knows it would be a big opportunity for me. The only problem is the job is in st louis. :Yuck:
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This may seem like a flippant answer but is 100% sincere. I think you should keep your current job and start a side hustle. It would allow you to stay at a job you like and likely allow you to grow your income quicker for your goal to farm/teach.
But if I do stay should I shove the offer letter in their face to let them know that I am worth more than they are paying me and staying just because I like everyone there and think we are heading in the right directions?!?!?
Indirect is more effective IMO. Figure out a way to let your employer know you have been offered other positions without saying it outright.
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Easier said then done tho. If a coworker tells the boss what they heard, then they think you’re fishing for a new job. Be careful.
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I know I’ve bitched about gE at times for being PI’d from time to time, but it really is amazing how @michigancat changed my life by prepping me for this current job and looking over my resume. This board is a really good source for helping ppl out in their careers. We have a lot of successful ppl on here. PM mich if you want some really good IRL advice, bud. Dude has a handle on things and is super smart.
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Agree w/ sys
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Aren’t you comparing previous employers tho, lib? Topeka to KC? Not trying to be a dick at all, but I would jump too in those circumstances.
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I transferred to kc, it's the same company.
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Are you happier or dgaf because you’d rather stay in. Again, no judgement, that’s all I do these days.
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Contrary to the bbs character, I do leave the house.
KC is great imo
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Agreed :cheers:
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Didn’t read others’ advice too closely so maybe this has been covered and/or sounds dumb:
If I were you it would 100% come down to how portable your skills are. And by that I mean is a salesperson like yourself valued based on achieving a certain rank within your current company, raw sales numbers, or purely based on demonstrated skills. If it is #3 then nuCompany is the obvious choice. If it is closer to #1 or #2 I’d be weary.
That’s because it is easy for a company (especially a big one) to hire away new talent and then completely bone said talent on actual opportunities, regardless of what was promised at the outset. Depending on the size of the company and the region it operates, it could be just as valuable to them to NOT have you working for a competitor (as opposed to actually doing anything productive within their ranks). You don’t want to take the risk of a miserable 1-3 year detour that damages your brand, even if it makes some extra money in the interim. On the other hand, if you think it would maintain or improve your brand regardless then I’d take the new job for sure.
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It sounds like your decision is largely contingent on the signing bonus. My first advice is to not bring in an offer letter or the new salary offer to try and leverage a raise that way. If you don't take the job, don't mention it. If you plan on taking the job and have a good relationship with your boss, mention to him/her (a day or two before you're ready to hand in the 2 week notice) that you've been offered a position with another firm and are considering taking the opportunity. I've always had good luck with just being real with my bosses. I don't play games with them because a: you could lose your job, and/or b: lose a good relationship/reference down the road. If they value you as an employee, the 2 week notice could trigger a better offer from your current company. Basically, let them start that raise convo at that juncture. If they don't start it, it was never coming.
Just always be prepared to be fired on the spot. If you catch someone on a bad day, you never know how they'll react.
Hell, i told my current boss that i was applying for a different job. We have a great relationship though and she knows it would be a big opportunity for me. The only problem is the job is in st louis. :Yuck:
Here is the thing....I'm about 90% sure that the day I tell my boss I am taking/considering a new job will be my last day. I have a non compete and my industry is super anal about stealing clients etc.
Hell the reason my current company was able to grow so fast is the 6 people that started it brought over all their accounts from their previous job that didn't have a non compete.
I'm not worried about the non compete as I wouldn't need to bring any clients with me.
The ideal situation in my head is I put in my 2 weeks, they say this is your last day but we will keep paying you for 2 weeks. Not sure how likely that is but it's what I'm gunning for if I do leave.
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Also the head of HR at my current company is married to one of my good buddy's.
Like how do you assign a monetary value to being able to say to HR "Hey, remember when you projectile vomited all over that big screen TV in college?"
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understood. I don't do sales or anything like that, so the industry is foreign to me. I still would not throw around an offer letter or offered base salary to my current employer as leverage. That offer letter is toilet paper with words on it until you are physically sitting at a desk for your new job. More bad than good can happen using that as a bargaining chip. It's definitely easier to use a salary you currently have to negotiate with your prospective company, than the other way around.
As far as working relationships you have. Those always factor into my decisions. I've been lucky to work with great people wherever I've gone and have made lifelong friends from almost every stop I've made. Some people consider being friends with colleagues weird, but I guess I'm different. If I ended up at a place where I loved my job but hated my coworkers, it would suck. Generally why I try to get a good feel for personalities in an interview. If they seem stuffy, boring, too serious, etc... I'm generally over it quickly. The last 3 I interviewed had the personality of a pet rock. Luckily they didn't quite have the skills to do the job either.
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Don't rub anything in anyone's face. Also you should have countered the 17% offer (unless you already had) and two weeks of vacation is bullshit.
Are these the only two companies where you could do what you can do? I'd personally consider staying put and trying to get that 25% at a third company since it's pretty clear you're about worth it.
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Don't rub anything in anyone's face. Also you should have countered the 17% offer (unless you already had) and two weeks of vacation is bullshit.
I did counter the 17% offer, told them I was looking to be at 25% because of XYZ and mentioned having 21 days of PTO now and looking for at least 15 days. The person I am interviewing with(would be my boss) made it sound like they had to fight tooth and nail to get the 17% offer and doubted they could get anything higher but submitted the request to HR.
I met with them again on Monday and told them I could make the 17% offer work but I wouldn't be able to start until November after some bonuses for my current job are paid (This would be my ideal scenario). They want me to start ASAP (Launching new service soon) so I told them if I can get a signing bonus to make up the difference I could start immediately, they are working on making that happen.
Are these the only two companies where you could do what you can do? I'd personally consider staying put and trying to get that 25% at a third company since it's pretty clear you're about worth it.
There are tons of companies in the area/Industry I could work at but I don't think I would get a better offer than what I just got. My current company has been hiring away a lot of people from these companies for more pay so I'm pretty confident that I am already on the higher end of what I could be paid but I haven't really interviewed anywhere else in the last 2 years and was not expecting this kind of an offer.
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Scenario - I take the new job and when I put in my 2 weeks at my current job they counter offer at the full 25% increase in base pay. Should I take it and stay?
Everything I have read online and advice from here says "NO" but I really like the current company and just want to get paid more. This seems like it would solve the only issue I have :dunno:
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I don't like the idea of accepting a job then changing your mind, but that maybe more of a personal thing than a real world consequence thing. I would ask for a few days to a week to think about it and give the current company that amount of time to counter prior to two weeks notice.
The new company may expect a pretty quick reply if they meet your counter though.
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I don't like the idea of accepting a job then changing your mind, but that maybe more of a personal thing than a real world consequence thing. I would ask for a few days to a week to think about it and give the current company that amount of time to counter prior to two weeks notice.
The new company may expect a pretty quick reply if they meet your counter though.
I agree about accepting and changing your mind but I might not have a choice. As soon as I tell my current company I am leaving/have an offer from a competitor it will be my last day, just how it is in my industry/role. They don't want me to head back to my desk, download all of our customer contact info/send emails to all my customers saying "I'm leaving but you can find me over at XYZ company" etc.
So basically I have to have a firm offer and accept it, get my start date set in stone with the new company before I can even bring up the fact that I am leaving with my current company.
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I have Dentist accept offers and change their minds all the time. They use us as leverage to get what they want at their current employer. They dgaf.
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Don't rub anything in anyone's face. Also you should have countered the 17% offer (unless you already had) and two weeks of vacation is bullshit.
I did counter the 17% offer, told them I was looking to be at 25% because of XYZ and mentioned having 21 days of PTO now and looking for at least 15 days. The person I am interviewing with(would be my boss) made it sound like they had to fight tooth and nail to get the 17% offer and doubted they could get anything higher but submitted the request to HR.
I met with them again on Monday and told them I could make the 17% offer work but I wouldn't be able to start until November after some bonuses for my current job are paid (This would be my ideal scenario). They want me to start ASAP (Launching new service soon) so I told them if I can get a signing bonus to make up the difference I could start immediately, they are working on making that happen.
Are these the only two companies where you could do what you can do? I'd personally consider staying put and trying to get that 25% at a third company since it's pretty clear you're about worth it.
There are tons of companies in the area/Industry I could work at but I don't think I would get a better offer than what I just got. My current company has been hiring away a lot of people from these companies for more pay so I'm pretty confident that I am already on the higher end of what I could be paid but I haven't really interviewed anywhere else in the last 2 years and was not expecting this kind of an offer.
Well then probably go to the new place but be nice about it. HOWEVER
One thing to consider is there's a good chance you won't have better career growth potential at the larger company unless they're somehow increasing revenue at a much higher rate than your current company. Lots of huge companies have a ton of qualified people waiting on promotions that rarely open up and I would guess you would be better off in that career growth/promotions if you stay in your current company...
Did you go into detail with your manager as to why you only got 2.25%? Was that raise company-wide? Are there growth roles within the company you want, and if so, do you have a plan with your manager on how to get there? Are you explicit with the new company about growth opportunities being important?
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ANOTHER THING
given the fact that your company is poaching folks with pay, there's a good chance the other companies are going to have to react to that. You're in a pretty good spot if you do the following (all at the same time):
-Update the resume and apply to a few positions in your industry, get a feel for salaries/benefits as soon in the conversation as possible without revealing what you want
-slow play the 17% offer as much as you can, turn it down if they pressure you
-work with your company on a plan to get bigger raises in the future beyond "selling more". <-side note:are you on commission? If so, why is this unreasonable? If you aren't on commission, what are you doing outside of sales that would justify a larger increase?
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Good stuff Michigancat
Well then probably go to the new place but be nice about it. HOWEVER
One thing to consider is there's a good chance you won't have better career growth potential at the larger company unless they're somehow increasing revenue at a much higher rate than your current company. Lots of huge companies have a ton of qualified people waiting on promotions that rarely open up and I would guess you would be better off in that career growth/promotions if you stay in your current company...
Did you go into detail with your manager as to why you only got 2.25%? Was that raise company-wide? Are there growth roles within the company you want, and if so, do you have a plan with your manager on how to get there? Are you explicit with the new company about growth opportunities being important?
Definitely more opportunity at the new place. All the other major players in the industry offer this service and it makes up about 20% of their revenue, new company is just now starting this service(Will be a brand new company under parent company) and their goal is to make it a 1 billion dollar company in 5 years(Revenue). I would also have more responsibility and not just be focused on sales. For the first year I would basically be a knowledge resource to help the sales reps that already have relationships with the customers sell this new service and then get that new business rolling and manage it.
Just typing that out makes me think I definitely need to take the job.
Current company said that the 2.25% pay raise was company wide. I did talk with them about new roles and responsibilities but they have not gotten back to me about that (It was only 2 weeks ago and my manager just had his second kid and was out all last week)
ANOTHER THING
given the fact that your company is poaching folks with pay, there's a good chance the other companies are going to have to react to that. You're in a pretty good spot if you do the following (all at the same time):
-Update the resume and apply to a few positions in your industry, get a feel for salaries/benefits as soon in the conversation as possible without revealing what you want
-slow play the 17% offer as much as you can, turn it down if they pressure you
-work with your company on a plan to get bigger raises in the future beyond "selling more". <-side note:are you on commission? If so, why is this unreasonable? If you aren't on commission, what are you doing outside of sales that would justify a larger increase?
I feel like their HR department is slow playing it enough for me but will definitely take a couple of days to think it over after they send the updated offer.
I do get commission so its not unreasonable to say "Go sell more". The thing that irked me was after I laid out why my skills/experience/results is worth a higher base pay there was no discussion about it, current company basically said "Yeah, where else are you going to go and find a higher base pay? Here is your 2.25% increase everyone in the company is getting".
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Good stuff Michigancat
Well then probably go to the new place but be nice about it. HOWEVER
One thing to consider is there's a good chance you won't have better career growth potential at the larger company unless they're somehow increasing revenue at a much higher rate than your current company. Lots of huge companies have a ton of qualified people waiting on promotions that rarely open up and I would guess you would be better off in that career growth/promotions if you stay in your current company...
Did you go into detail with your manager as to why you only got 2.25%? Was that raise company-wide? Are there growth roles within the company you want, and if so, do you have a plan with your manager on how to get there? Are you explicit with the new company about growth opportunities being important?
Definitely more opportunity at the new place. All the other major players in the industry offer this service and it makes up about 20% of their revenue, new company is just now starting this service(Will be a brand new company under parent company) and their goal is to make it a 1 billion dollar company in 5 years(Revenue). I would also have more responsibility and not just be focused on sales. For the first year I would basically be a knowledge resource to help the sales reps that already have relationships with the customers sell this new service and then get that new business rolling and manage it.
Just typing that out makes me think I definitely need to take the job.
Current company said that the 2.25% pay raise was company wide. I did talk with them about new roles and responsibilities but they have not gotten back to me about that (It was only 2 weeks ago and my manager just had his second kid and was out all last week)
ANOTHER THING
given the fact that your company is poaching folks with pay, there's a good chance the other companies are going to have to react to that. You're in a pretty good spot if you do the following (all at the same time):
-Update the resume and apply to a few positions in your industry, get a feel for salaries/benefits as soon in the conversation as possible without revealing what you want
-slow play the 17% offer as much as you can, turn it down if they pressure you
-work with your company on a plan to get bigger raises in the future beyond "selling more". <-side note:are you on commission? If so, why is this unreasonable? If you aren't on commission, what are you doing outside of sales that would justify a larger increase?
I feel like their HR department is slow playing it enough for me but will definitely take a couple of days to think it over after they send the updated offer.
I do get commission so its not unreasonable to say "Go sell more". The thing that irked me was after I laid out why my skills/experience/results is worth a higher base pay there was no discussion about it, current company basically said "Yeah, where else are you going to go and find a higher base pay? Here is your 2.25% increase everyone in the company is getting".
Would the increased responsibilities take away from your opportunities to earn commissions? If not, go for it but be very nice to your old company because it sounds like you could cross paths with some of them again. Sounds like a cool opportunity at the new place.
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Update- Still have not heard back from new job but I am staying at current job.
My bonus for last fiscal year(ended in June) was more than I expected....also commish/bonus plan is different for this year(paid quarterly instead of yearly) and after the first 2 months of this quarter I'm already at 28% of my total sales from last year.
My only remaining question is do I tell my current company I was offered the other job and turned it down? The only reason I am considering it is because this new company the established player is opening will be a competitor.
Nothing has been announced publicly so it would be a good inside scoop to give my current company but if I tell them they would ask how I know and I'd have to tell them about the offer.
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I don't see any reason to tell them.
If you do, just say you were contacted, you listened to them and turned them down. There is no reason to tell your company how far along you went or that you seriously considered the offer.
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Yeah, don't say anything unless they ask and then be honest and tell them how loyal you are and crap.
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Will keep it to myself for now. Thanks for all the insights during this process buds.
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Starting a new job next week. Big pay bump. Woohoo. :ksugrad:
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Starting this fall, I will be a reporter for the Great Bend Tribune covering Kansas State home football games.
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wtf
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Starting this fall, I will be a reporter for the Great Bend Tribune covering Kansas State home football games.
seriously? that's incredible news
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Starting a new job next week. Big pay bump. Woohoo. :ksugrad:
nice job IPA
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great bend tribune insiders have known about this dlew news for many days (over a week even)
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gbtribuneextra.com%2Fsportheaders%2Fsportspage2.jpg&hash=da27f782fb2f1d37bb30a17d0806712823918101)
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I like this hashtag
https://twitter.com/GB_Tribune/status/925771213791690758
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https://twitter.com/Russtribune/status/649291385879728128
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I HAVE been to great bend before :Wha:
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I am eager to start grinding on the beat and churning out the best ~300 word game recaps Central Kansas has ever seen.
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Do you ever have to step foot in GB to do the job?
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I am eager to start grinding on the beat and churning out the best ~300 word game recaps Central Kansas has ever seen.
Congrats!
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I am eager to start grinding on the beat and churning out the best ~300 word game recaps Central Kansas has ever seen.
Are you getting a press pass/credentials?
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Best lunchdate: Dlew and BTK go to Pizza Hut this afternoon Porters for dinner?
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:blush: of course
no deal. get bent.
it took a while but it looks like karma has caught up with ol dlew12, who has now himself gotten bent. great bent.
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I am eager to start grinding on the beat and churning out the best ~300 word game recaps Central Kansas has ever seen.
Are you getting a press pass/credentials?
We'll find out. Applied for it a couple weeks ago.
Do you ever have to step foot in GB to do the job?
Nah
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I am eager to start grinding on the beat and churning out the best ~300 word game recaps Central Kansas has ever seen.
Are you getting a press pass/credentials?
We'll find out. Applied for it a couple weeks ago.
Do you ever have to step foot in GB to do the job?
Nah
This dream could be in jeopardy.
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The press pass or having to step foot in GB for the job?
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The pass
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Damn, those things are tough to come by.
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You don’t need to be part of the system to cover the cats, see The Boscoes Boys.
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You don’t need to be part of the system to cover the cats, see The Boscoes Boys.
Being part of the system was kind of the whole point
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DLew, if you want to somehow throw some gE weight behind your pass request you have my blessing. I have no idea how it works but you can work PRO BONO for gE and we'll just link articles from the Great Bend newspaper or some crap. Also that may actually hurt your request.
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Yeah, don't do that.
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DLew, if you want to somehow throw some gE weight behind your pass request you have my blessing. I have no idea how it works but you can work PRO BONO for gE and we'll just link articles from the Great Bend newspaper or some crap. Also that may actually hurt your request.
Doesn't work. They have weirdly strict rules about sites with message boards.
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DLew, if you want to somehow throw some gE weight behind your pass request you have my blessing. I have no idea how it works but you can work PRO BONO for gE and we'll just link articles from the Great Bend newspaper or some crap. Also that may actually hurt your request.
Doesn't work. They have weirdly strict rules about sites with message boards.
Guess it’s time for us to start a “separate” newspaper that is “unassociated” with goEMAW.
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how does fitz and his goons get passes for everything then? aren't they just a message board now? no publications of any sort?
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They're grandfathered into it and they started with the publication.
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They're grandfathered into it and they started with the publication.
grandfathered in? that's absurd and I refuse to believe that's a thing. like "well we'd love to take their passes away too but you know they are grandfathered in and all...".
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Web sites that sponsor “message boards” or “chat rooms” where people are allowed to post anonymous information or rumors are ineligible for credentials or access to media functions.
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/2015/6/16/_131476205476699775.aspx (http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/2015/6/16/_131476205476699775.aspx)
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They're grandfathered into it and they started with the publication.
grandfathered in? that's absurd and I refuse to believe that's a thing. like "well we'd love to take their passes away too but you know they are grandfathered in and all...".
You think you're going to shutdown D Scott from a pass? They've been covering K-State Sports way before it was cool to do so. They have also turned over a lot of written content. I'm sure they take each "message board" by a case by case scenario. Just my :th_twocents:. Every press box I've been to has always had a rivals/24/7 rep or more.
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i wonder if the scout site ever got one.
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Web sites that sponsor “message boards” or “chat rooms” where people are allowed to post anonymous information or rumors are ineligible for credentials or access to media functions.
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/2015/6/16/_131476205476699775.aspx (http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/2015/6/16/_131476205476699775.aspx)
Perhaps Because they require membership and a credit card it's not considered an anonymous message board :dunno:
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Got it all sorted out. :gocho:
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:excited: :thumbs:
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Anyone been through a CEO change before? Like in a smaller corporate company where you actually see and work with them from time to time? The transition is starting this week at my company and my anxiety is through the roof. I was really close with my previous CEO who's retiring. Not sure how much this will change things.
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Is it an inside or outside hire?
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Outside or else I'd be cruising per usual.
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I’ve only seen it at larger companies and it’s usually a bloodbath at the senior management level
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watch your back and start kissing loads of ass
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Yeah, I've been really comfortable and happy where things have been for the past 3 years. I'm concerned.
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Is it like a really old person or someone younger?
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Some intimidating 50 something dude, who's been VP at several competitors for over a decade. Was a National Sales Director too. :ohno:
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Just keep cruising, you'll have his job in 10 years :driving:
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Things are unlikely to change much unless the new CEO is really good or really bad.
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:thumbs: I think he's really good. We're moving him here from Florida.
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Are you good at your job? If yes, then don't worry about it. If no, get better or start looking.
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Yes, I'm good at my job, but I had a really good relationship with my previous CEO and it made it feel like a relaxed, fun environment. I'm afraid that part of it will change.
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My experience has been that most bosses aren't that bad to work for. I wouldn't be too worried.
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I’ve only seen it at larger companies and it’s usually a bloodbath at the senior management level
yes, it's a tremendous opportunity or a tremendous opportunity to go find somewhere else to work.
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I’ve only seen it at larger companies and it’s usually a bloodbath at the senior management level
yes, it's a tremendous opportunity or a tremendous opportunity to go find somewhere else to work.
Ditto. Our leader deported and I was loyal to him. New guy not so much. Hello new job, new company, and bigger checks.
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What are some tangible goals you've came up with when it comes to yearly reviews?
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you're in sales, focus on year over year growth/results. nothing else that you do at work matters.
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fanningbrag the crap out of everything
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I was supposed to get a new title this review, but now they have to put it on hold another 6 months because of the transition. :bang:
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yeah, only sales guys who don't sell need to worry
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I heard sales is about the ABCS
A B C S
l e e
ways lling
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yeah, only sales guys who don't sell need to worry
YTD I've already surpassed where I was last year at the end of the year. I just wanted that new title for respect purposes when working with candidates. It will come, just hate that we have to pause things for now.
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Just start using it anyway
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Yeah, when you introduce yourself to the new CEO, just tell him that you are whatever title you have been expecting.
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I don't think anyone cares about sales guy titles at all anyway. Other than Dr, Partner, and Principal, titles are pretty useless.
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I don't think anyone cares about sales guy titles at all anyway. Other than Dr, Partner, and Principal, titles are pretty useless.
This.
Any candidate who is fooled into thinking you are not a salesman by a title is not someone you want
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I’ve had several recruiters contact me on LinkedIn within the past 2 weeks with job opportunities that would double my salary. I make good money and really like where I’m at. I should at least explore the possibilities tho....right?
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As a recruiter myself, I’d say what do you have to lose from a convo? Nice to make connections just in case things ever change. Most of the ppl I’ve hired lately are ppl who have came back to me a year or two later when the atmosphere at there work has tanked. Always good to be on someone’s radar just in case.
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I usually talk if it's a better opportunity.
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For a job, is it better to barely make any money but be happy, or make tons of money and be miserable? And just pretend these are the only 2 options.
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Tons of money and be miserable
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Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commission
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A lot goes into “and be happy.”
I am in a position where I am the only bread winner in my family, for a few unavoidable reasons. So, if I were to chose “barely make any money and be happy,” I would very likely end up unhappy as a result of other things my family would have to go without. Maybe not, but I really do think so.
So, personally, I go for the money. I need to be grateful though, and have some rough ridin' humility and be thankful that I am in a position to do that. Instead, I am always at risk of being resentful about it...I really, really, really dislike that about myself. That’s why I am posting about it...need to remind myself that I should be honored to be able to provide for my family, and not petty and selfish.
Having said that, if I were 25 and kidless, I would do something fun. When I was 25, I was a goddamn chowder keg of anxiety and fear, and needed an awful damn lot of self medication to get by. I had it all wrong, man.
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Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commission
Not how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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Thanks for sharing, Pete
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i think he means his canadian friend did a lot of self medicating
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Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commission
Not how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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Can I try to educate just a lil bit here? Let’s say there’s 30 firms of your caliber and 2 main swinging dicks like yourself at each office. One of them desides they could prosper on their own on greater gains and leave the company. Well, we need to replace that badass with another badass within company terms. That’s what they regulate as a replacement, a new ‘stone. There’s not a lot of stones out there and you’ve contacted maybe every ‘stone qualification, but your company still says no because they’re unsure and he’s only 25. Does this make sense?
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Every time a “Doctor” leaves, if they don’t qualify for what we do, or can come close to ‘stone work, that’s a no. I bet on human beings every day. It’s been profitable, but it’s not easy.
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School is in session!
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For a job, is it better to barely make any money but be happy, or make tons of money and be miserable? And just pretend these are the only 2 options.
If you are talking long term, then #1 is the only logical choice. On the other hand, if you have an opportunity to grind out a few years for some serious money (and have a decent landing spot after) then I'd recommend that option, especially if you're 40 or under. Just make sure you actually save up the excess money (and put it to work, either in investments or whatever else will generate future cash flow) to make the pain worthwhile.
Excess income in your 20s is worth vastly more than excess income in your 50s. End up at the low-paying happy job either way, as weird as that might sound.
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Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commission
Not how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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Can I try to educate just a lil bit here? Let’s say there’s 30 firms of your caliber and 2 main swinging dicks like yourself at each office. One of them desides they could prosper on their own on greater gains and leave the company. Well, we need to replace that badass with another badass within company terms. That’s what they regulate as a replacement, a new ‘stone. There’s not a lot of stones out there and you’ve contacted maybe every ‘stone qualification, but your company still says no because they’re unsure and he’s only 25. Does this make sense?
I mean, that doesn't make sense but I know very well what search firms do. Spencer Reed is my go to
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I'd choose low money and happy, unfortunately only doing nothing makes me happy so irl might as well make piles of money while being miserable
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Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commission
Not how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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Can I try to educate just a lil bit here? Let’s say there’s 30 firms of your caliber and 2 main swinging dicks like yourself at each office. One of them desides they could prosper on their own on greater gains and leave the company. Well, we need to replace that badass with another badass within company terms. That’s what they regulate as a replacement, a new ‘stone. There’s not a lot of stones out there and you’ve contacted maybe every ‘stone qualification, but your company still says no because they’re unsure and he’s only 25. Does this make sense?
I mean, that doesn't make sense but I know very well what search firms do. Spencer Reed is my go to
Got it that it doesn’t make sense and that you guys don’t pay internal recruiters to fit your firm. Turnover makes sense.
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Btw spencer is working your ass over. DM for a better business plan. Ftr. I’d get nothing out of this. Just trying to help a fellow cat.
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Btw spencer is working your ass over. DM for a better business plan. Ftr. I’d get nothing out of this. Just trying to help a fellow cat.
Nah I’m good
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Sucks that your company loves to blow money. :frown:
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So my Canadian friend really likes what he does and makes good money while living in MHK(LRWTP!). He could start making 6 figures if he moved to KC for a new job. However he really likes MHK and has good friends here. However he also really likes KC and has some good friends there too.
His current job gives him a lot of flexibility and is involved with many different disciplines. This new job would be a lot more specialized and while he likes what that specialization is, the other specialization that he does a lot of at the current job wouldn’t be something he would do at the new job and it’s his favorite by far.
Pros? Cons? Thoughts?
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Don't want to steal your thunder, TBT. Just had to tell you guys, they changed their minds and after my meeting this morning and my region being fully staffed, they decided to give me the new title and a raise. :excited:
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If your passion for crypto and block chain is as much as I think it is, you should move wherever you have the highest probability of making a career out of that. You only get one life to live, grab it by the balls.
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Don't want to steal your thunder, TBT. Just had to tell you guys, they changed their minds and after my meeting this morning and my region being fully staffed, they decided to give me the new title and a raise. :excited:
:emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :kstategrad: :kstategrad: :kstategrad:
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Wtg, Wackster!
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If your passion for crypto and block chain is as much as I think it is, you should move wherever you have the highest probability of making a career out of that. You only get one life to live, grab it by the balls.
I would drop everything I was doing right now and go work on crypto if I was offered a job. I’ve already started working on BTCPay and use the NBitcoin library a lot, never know where that could lead :excited:
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Wtg, Wackster!
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:thumbs: Thanks, guys!
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Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commission
Not how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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Can I try to educate just a lil bit here? Let’s say there’s 30 firms of your caliber and 2 main swinging dicks like yourself at each office. One of them desides they could prosper on their own on greater gains and leave the company. Well, we need to replace that badass with another badass within company terms. That’s what they regulate as a replacement, a new ‘stone. There’s not a lot of stones out there and you’ve contacted maybe every ‘stone qualification, but your company still says no because they’re unsure and he’s only 25. Does this make sense?
I mean, that doesn't make sense but I know very well what search firms do. Spencer Reed is my go to
Got it that it doesn’t make sense and that you guys don’t pay internal recruiters to fit your firm. Turnover makes sense.
Quite a few firms use outside recruiters. Maybe not the goliaths, but definitely firms that paid at or above market -- at least that was the case in Chicago.
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Interesting. I just figure it would be cheaper to have internal recruiters. Makes sense, I just know how much some of those agencies cost. It's cut throat. I also worry about the quality of the candidate, since they're strictly working based off commission.
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Interesting. I just figure it would be cheaper to have internal recruiters. Makes sense, I just know how much some of those agencies cost. It's cut throat. I also worry about the quality of the candidate, since they're strictly working based off commission.
You don't think they care about repeat business?
The costs may seem high at first blush, but not compared to how much big firms already spend recruiting and developing talent. In fact, at least in the legal field, it's wayyy cheaper than recruiting law students in-house.
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Fair. I just figure internally they'd know the product better and exactly what the company is looking for.
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Sucks that your company loves to blow money. :frown:
You get what you pay for.
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Fair. I just figure internally they'd know the product better and exactly what the company is looking for.
It is very possible and even common to use both mechanisms on a case by case basis.
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Interesting. I just figure it would be cheaper to have internal recruiters. Makes sense, I just know how much some of those agencies cost. It's cut throat. I also worry about the quality of the candidate, since they're strictly working based off commission.
let me tell you an irl true story about internal recruiters: they rough ridin' suck and are lazy and I basically have to do their jobs for them.
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Yea all the good ones go to independent search firms or start their own.
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Who's hiring those internal recruiters? Maybe they suck? :dunno:
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Interesting. I just figure it would be cheaper to have internal recruiters. Makes sense, I just know how much some of those agencies cost. It's cut throat. I also worry about the quality of the candidate, since they're strictly working based off commission.
let me tell you an irl true story about internal recruiters: they rough ridin' suck and are lazy and I basically have to do their jobs for them.
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Well obviously case closed then
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Make the recruiter promise to give you 40% of any commission
Not how it works when you recruit for the company itself and not an outside staffing agency.
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Can I try to educate just a lil bit here? desides
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So my Canadian friend really likes what he does and makes good money while living in MHK(LRWTP!). He could start making 6 figures if he moved to KC for a new job. However he really likes MHK and has good friends here. However he also really likes KC and has some good friends there too.
His current job gives him a lot of flexibility and is involved with many different disciplines. This new job would be a lot more specialized and while he likes what that specialization is, the other specialization that he does a lot of at the current job wouldn’t be something he would do at the new job and it’s his favorite by far.
Pros? Cons? Thoughts?
If you'd be happy in KC, I'd take that job and stack cash in retirement. Keep living on the old wage. I'm a big fan of earlier retirement.
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So my Canadian friend really likes what he does and makes good money while living in MHK(LRWTP!). He could start making 6 figures if he moved to KC for a new job. However he really likes MHK and has good friends here. However he also really likes KC and has some good friends there too.
His current job gives him a lot of flexibility and is involved with many different disciplines. This new job would be a lot more specialized and while he likes what that specialization is, the other specialization that he does a lot of at the current job wouldn’t be something he would do at the new job and it’s his favorite by far.
Pros? Cons? Thoughts?
If you'd be happy in KC, I'd take that job and stack cash in retirement. Keep living on the old wage. I'm a big fan of earlier retirement.
I lived in KC for a few years and loved it. I may explore a little further. If I could find the specialization I really enjoy doing at work I would take it immediately.
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take what money you can, the opportunity won’t always be there but mhk will (assuming nbaf doesn’t end it)
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just commute, dctrain
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https://fox4kc.com/2018/09/20/company-seeks-pizza-taste-testers-make-up-to-1000-a-day-working-from-home/
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Somebody needs to tag our video production guys.
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They are hiring pizza chefs, not pizza taste testers. What a stupid article.
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take what money you can, the opportunity won’t always be there but mhk will (assuming nbaf doesn’t end it)
That’s the thing tho, I will continue to start getting more and more of these opportunities, not less. So when I do pull the trigger it’s for something I really want.
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just commute, dctrain
Maybe telecommute
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Cybercommute
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I work remote. I fly into the Chicago office about once a month for meetings. I fly around a bit for other crap. I don't think I can go back to every day in the office and don't think I'll ever hire anyone that requires that atmosphere. even though we have a large omaha office. not just because our business unit gets billed for their space but because I don't want to have to drag my gym shorts wearing ass into the office and glad hand a bunch of nerds just to spend time with the person. I currently meet people at a local craft beer bar with good wifi for meetings and crap. it's incred.
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I do the same but driving everywhere. Absolutely love it. I have an office with a name on the door. It's rarely occupied.
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I don't like travelling much, but maybe I will now that I have a nice suitcase with 360 wheels.
Have an opportunity to go to Montevideo in December.
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I work remote. I fly into the Chicago office about once a month for meetings.
And this mother roughrider never PMs me to go to Snickers smdhamh
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Have an opportunity to go to Montevideo in December.
please report back, i've had a uruguay thing for a while now. also, i'm going to argentina in october.
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I work remote. I fly into the Chicago office about once a month for meetings.
And this mother roughrider never PMs me to go to Snickers smdhamh
This needs to be a coordinated gE rager once a month.
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Have an opportunity to go to Montevideo in December.
please report back, i've had a uruguay thing for a while now. also, i'm going to argentina in october.
Uruguay is like Argentina but with more Germans of dubious parentage.
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Have an opportunity to go to Montevideo in December.
please report back, i've had a uruguay thing for a while now. also, i'm going to argentina in october.
Both of you report back. I am particularly interested in how well gringo's of the gringo looking and American speaking variety can exist in these places.
I need a central or south american place that is safe, super cheap, very good and accessible medical, AND (here is the kicker) let's my dogs both into that country AND back into the US without issue.
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Sup friends! Its your IRL bud ben ji here again looking for some advice about applying for a new job inside of your same company.
I am currently in sales and just crushing it left and right but know that I don't want to be in sales forever, just so happens that is where I can make the most money right now. Our company recently created a new position as a "Pricing Manager/Analyst" that I have applied for and will have a formal interview in about 2 weeks with the boss 1 level above my boss and another person in our company(We only have 55 employees and the big boss hired me 3 years ago as the 10th employee so I know them both very well). The main focus of the position will be to price out our services for large RFP's that come in and then track our results.
Currently each sales manager completes their own RFP's and the last 3 I have completed have led to the most new sales since our fiscal year started in June... so I know I can do the job.
My question is how should I treat the interview process? My initial thought is to prepare for it and treat it the same way as if I was an outsider applying for the same job. I have updated my Resume to reflect the skills needed for the job and plan to bring it to the interview. I am also working on developing a standard process to follow each time we receive an RFP and a process to check results 3/6/9/12 months after the bid is completed etc.
Couple of questions I have -
1.Our dress code is business casual casual (Jeans and a polo basically and shorts on friday/monday in the summer). Should I dress up in a full suit on the day of the interview? I'm leaning towards yes but figured I'd get some feedback from everyone here. If I do dress up in a suit I will stand out all day at work and I'm sure I'll get about 3 questions for co-workers on if I'm visiting a client or why I'm dressed up.
2. How should I approach the Compensation Question? I do not know what the salary range is the for position and obviously they know how much I currently make. My usual approach to the salary question in a interview is to say I'm competitively compensated and then ask what the salary range is to get them to throw out a number first...That doesn't work as well if they already know what your salary is.
3. Any other pro tips?
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treat it like an outside interview but no suit
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suit
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no suit.
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Suit
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definitely suit if you want to feel like a gigantic dumbass in front of your coworkers
there’s no expectation in a company your size that you’re rocking a suit to an internal interview
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Did you discuss this with your current manager and do they support it? I'd lean on them for advice on how to approach the interview and salary question if they support you (and let them know about it even if they might not support it). Chances are they already have a range in mind and they hopefully wouldn't be talking to you if they didn't think their salary expectations were somewhat in line with yours. Your boss would know more than this group.
And don't wear a suit but wear the dressiest business casual shirt you have.
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There’s a giant middle ground between jeans/shorts and suit.
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if you don't wear a suit be prepared to be asked by the interviewer why you decided not to.
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if you don't wear a suit be prepared to be asked by the interviewer why you decided not to.
Not wanting to look like a giant tool bag all day at work seems like a nice reason
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if you don't wear a suit be prepared to be asked by the interviewer why you decided not to.
Not wanting to look like a giant tool bag all day at work seems like a nice reason
This is kind of a joke, but if you need to make face to face contact with clients I'm guessing it would be odd to wear a suit.
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if you don't wear a suit be prepared to be asked by the interviewer why you decided not to.
Not wanting to look like a giant tool bag all day at work seems like a nice reason
it is not
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I work in a small, casual office as well and I can't imagine wearing a suit to an internal interview. Agree with wearing the dressiest version of business casual.
Also what route did you take with the last jobs thread topic?
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Open collar. Bring a jacket.
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It's honestly very cultural dependent. I've interviewed internal candidates and had no idea what they wore but would have thought it was strange if they wore something even remotely business casual, and I'm sure sd's company is in the opposite end of the spectrum. Benji, I think you're gonna have to take the temperature of the office yourself.
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It's honestly very cultural dependent. I've interviewed internal candidates and had no idea what they wore but would have thought it was strange if they wore something even remotely business casual, and I'm sure sd's company is in the opposite end of the spectrum. Benji, I think you're gonna have to take the temperature of the office yourself.
I think the fact they wear shorts in the office tells us all we need to know
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It's honestly very cultural dependent. I've interviewed internal candidates and had no idea what they wore but would have thought it was strange if they wore something even remotely business casual, and I'm sure sd's company is in the opposite end of the spectrum. Benji, I think you're gonna have to take the temperature of the office yourself.
I think the fact they wear shorts in the office tells us all we need to know
lol I missed that detail... Stopped reading at "business casual"
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like, do you ever see people in suits in your office? if yes, then wear a suit. if no, then don't.
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Open collar. Bring a jacket.
gameday decision with a sports jacket is a pretty good boyscout solution.
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Suits....how far have you went before wearing one to an interview?
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don’t wear a suit, wear a tuxedo
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Dressing for interviews isn't what it used to be. If it's a business casual office, definitely do not wear a suit. My go to in this situation is oxford plus sport coat.
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New CEO's first week in the office. He's been out in the field for the first month. This place is blowing up. :runaway:
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Is that good or bad?
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I believe good in the long run, but some of the execs that are going bye bye, I had really good relationships with. Just a bit nervous to have to start over in a way.
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Ben ji, did you suit up?
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Wow! Just met the new CEO. Talk about a sexy mother rough rider. :love: I'm intimidated.
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When I started my current job, this German girl and I reported to dude#1 who reported to dude#2. dude#1 left. Now, dude#2 and I both report to German girl. Super awkward. I'm pretty certain that dude#2's days are numbered.
I don't even know where to begin with all this. AMA.
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Things have really shifted here. My boss is leaving next Friday (just found this out on Monday), he was like my BFF from day 1 here when we started as colleagues. Should be interesting to see what we do from here.
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At this moment, dude#2 is training someone on how to do something he's been doing. Over the past few months, they've been assigning all his work to other people, telling him that he'll be working on something else. I think it's so they can get rid of him and that he may not completely realize what's happening.
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At this moment, dude#2 is training someone on how to do something he's been doing. Over the past few months, they've been assigning all his work to other people, telling him that he'll be working on something else. I think it's so they can get rid of him and that he may not completely realize what's happening.
lmao, he’s absolutely gone.
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Wait, so using letters as initial rank, Dude 2 started as A, Dude 1 as B, you and German girl as C1 and C2. Now B is gone and both A and C1 work for C2 but A is getting slowly pushed out?
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Wait, so using letters as initial rank, Dude 2 started as A, Dude 1 as B, you and German girl as C1 and C2. Now B is gone and both A and C1 work for C2 but A is getting slowly pushed out?
Yep
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Wait, so using letters as initial rank, Dude 2 started as A, Dude 1 as B, you and German girl as C1 and C2. Now B is gone and both A and C1 work for C2 but A is getting slowly pushed out?
Yep
I don’t even know where to start, but how did German girl come to be Dude #2’s boss?
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Wait, so using letters as initial rank, Dude 2 started as A, Dude 1 as B, you and German girl as C1 and C2. Now B is gone and both A and C1 work for C2 but A is getting slowly pushed out?
Yep
I don’t even know where to start, but how did German girl come to be Dude #2’s boss?
They are an industrious people.
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I don’t even know where to start, but how did German girl come to be Dude #2’s boss?
I'll have to give some thought to how to answer. It's a long, long story.
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dude#2 talks A LOT. And it's not like interesting conversation or even conversation at all. He just always wants you to reassure him that he did the right thing or be totally exasperated with bullshit along with him or whatever. rough ridin' annoying. He just moved into the same room as me and German girl this week. A few days ago, she asks me how I'm coping with the extra noise. I said fine. She replied that I wouldn't have to deal with it much longer and winked.
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Oh, God. dude#2 just finished training and came back in totally elated to have that task off his plate.
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Try not to murder him Chum, no matter how tempting
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At this point, I just feel bad. Poor dumb bastard.
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Oh, God. dude#2 just finished training and came back in totally elated to have that task off his plate.
ohhhh damn
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Haha. Also, VP = dude#2.
This is a German girl who seems maybe a tad shy of being fully proficient at speaking English. We introduced ourselves and then she just marched me straight to the VP's office and told me I could sit in there and wait if I wanted. I was like "Maybe I'll go find the bathroom and check out the gym. Or even leave and come back in an hour." She said okay and then turned around and walked off.
German girl is now my boss. I have to move into a room with her and some other girl. This will probably be a good time to do some more posting to this thread.
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Oh, God. dude#2 just finished training and came back in totally elated to have that task off his plate.
oh no :lol:
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More on dude#2!
So, I went to the store and picked up some $6 reading glasses to leave at work and $10 worth of lottery tickets.
The VP was there when I got back. He said and did a bunch of totally normal stuff for the next several hours. BUT THEN, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to share something with me. I'd learned earlier that he was a wrestling coach and has a son who is a star wrestler. He then told me that he'd taken his son to Nationals as a 14 year old and felt terrible because his son lost immediately. His reaction was to write a letter to his son. The letter is what he wanted to share with me. So, I sat there as he read verbatim this 3/4 page, single spaced, deeply personal letter about winning and losing and trying and getting back up and learning life lessons. As he's reading it, I'm like, "Oh crap. How am I supposed to respond to this? Is my response going to sound phony? What's going on here!?" Luckily, he kept right on talking after reading and the conversation flowed naturally.
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More on dude#2!
So, I went to the store and picked up some $6 reading glasses to leave at work and $10 worth of lottery tickets.
The VP was there when I got back. He said and did a bunch of totally normal stuff for the next several hours. BUT THEN, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to share something with me. I'd learned earlier that he was a wrestling coach and has a son who is a star wrestler. He then told me that he'd taken his son to Nationals as a 14 year old and felt terrible because his son lost immediately. His reaction was to write a letter to his son. The letter is what he wanted to share with me. So, I sat there as he read verbatim this 3/4 page, single spaced, deeply personal letter about winning and losing and trying and getting back up and learning life lessons. As he's reading it, I'm like, "Oh crap. How am I supposed to respond to this? Is my response going to sound phony? What's going on here!?" Luckily, he kept right on talking after reading and the conversation flowed naturally.
Hahaha how did I miss this???
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More on dude#2!
So, I went to the store and picked up some $6 reading glasses to leave at work and $10 worth of lottery tickets.
The VP was there when I got back. He said and did a bunch of totally normal stuff for the next several hours. BUT THEN, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to share something with me. I'd learned earlier that he was a wrestling coach and has a son who is a star wrestler. He then told me that he'd taken his son to Nationals as a 14 year old and felt terrible because his son lost immediately. His reaction was to write a letter to his son. The letter is what he wanted to share with me. So, I sat there as he read verbatim this 3/4 page, single spaced, deeply personal letter about winning and losing and trying and getting back up and learning life lessons. As he's reading it, I'm like, "Oh crap. How am I supposed to respond to this? Is my response going to sound phony? What's going on here!?" Luckily, he kept right on talking after reading and the conversation flowed naturally.
so dude #2 is the VP?
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More on dude#2!
So, I went to the store and picked up some $6 reading glasses to leave at work and $10 worth of lottery tickets.
The VP was there when I got back. He said and did a bunch of totally normal stuff for the next several hours. BUT THEN, as I was getting ready to leave, he told me that he wanted to share something with me. I'd learned earlier that he was a wrestling coach and has a son who is a star wrestler. He then told me that he'd taken his son to Nationals as a 14 year old and felt terrible because his son lost immediately. His reaction was to write a letter to his son. The letter is what he wanted to share with me. So, I sat there as he read verbatim this 3/4 page, single spaced, deeply personal letter about winning and losing and trying and getting back up and learning life lessons. As he's reading it, I'm like, "Oh crap. How am I supposed to respond to this? Is my response going to sound phony? What's going on here!?" Luckily, he kept right on talking after reading and the conversation flowed naturally.
so dude #2 is the VP?
Yes, but I don't think anyone would call him that any longer.
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Any of you ever have to interview your potential next boss? it's pretty wild.
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That's quite different.
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Our new CEO is from the East Coast and wanted the next Manager to work from remote out there (with some of his connections) and one that has a past with many of our competitors. I get the logic, our company looks totally different than it did 7 months ago. It will be weird having a manager that doesn't work here. It's kind of weird busting your future managers balls over how they manage, resource, etc. while I have to help him teach him our background and how/why where we're at today.
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Working in a different location than your boss is fantastic and I highly recommend it to anyone.
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Yeah, pretty excited for it.
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Definitely a huge bonus.
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There is nothing better than a boss that works remotely.
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There is nothing better than a boss that works remotely.
can confirm
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:excited:
Going to Silicon Valley?!
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Going to Silicon Valley of the Midwest?!
Yep!
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Congrats man, I’ve heard Lincoln is a pretty great place to be.
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I’ve heard the same!
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Congrats!
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There is nothing better than a boss that works remotely.
can confirm
I work remotely and my dudes and dudettes liked it better when I didn’t. They could be just saying that to make me feel good though.
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Going to Silicon Valley of the Midwest?!
Yep!
!!! Hit me up with details.
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I’ll soon be working remotely. Very excited to not spend an hour+ commuting every day, but unsure how effectively it will work. It’s nice to be able to walk to someone’s desk to talk to them.
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Going to Silicon Valley of the Midwest?!
Yep!
!!! Hit me up with details.
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By Silicon Valley of the Midwest I meant KC, I’ve heard Lincoln is nice tho!
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I’ll soon be working remotely. Very excited to not spend an hour+ commuting every day, but unsure how effectively it will work. It’s nice to be able to walk to someone’s desk to talk to them.
I use Biz Skype frequently in lieu of actual desk chatting.
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I'm helping train my new boss for his job this week. They flew him in from Virginia yesterday. He seems to be leaning on me since I'm Senior. Should be an interesting dynamic. I'm looking forward to working from home mostly here in a few weeks. I think we're downsizing our home office anyways. We've dropped like 6-7 executives since the new CEO showed up in the fall.
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This is not fanning bragging, I need honest advice. I've filled up both of my territories for the first time in the 4 years I've been here and I'm bored AF. We just transitioned in a new manager here and I'm sure he'd happily have me work in another territory to help out, but that would also cause a lot of stress in house with my fellow coworkers who own the territory. I need to keep hiring for bonus purposes, but I'm kind of in a pickle. What would you do?
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Play more golf, Wacky.
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At work, you're responsible to your company, your boss, and yourself. You are not responsible to your coworkers or their hurt feelings. Provided it doesn't have a huge potential to hurt you later (one of these people getting promoted over you, etc), do what is best for you.
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Tell them you want to start 'cruitin Europe
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tell them you want to start recruiting real doctors (the big leagues)
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At work, you're responsible to your company, your boss, and yourself. You are not responsible to your coworkers or their hurt feelings. Provided it doesn't have a huge potential to hurt you later (one of these people getting promoted over you, etc), do what is best for you.
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Play more golf, Wacky.
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Man, we setup our home work stations this week. Pretty geeked out about it. We only need to be in the office now when our Manager flies in from DC. Hitting the range this afternoon, tourney next weekend in the flint hills. :thumbs:
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Pro-Tip that recently worked for me: Ask for a Raise BEFORE your annual review.
Last year I waited until my actual yearly review meeting to bring up the fact that I thought my base pay was lower than what I would get at another company. When the review meeting finally happened I presented my argument for a raise but at that point everything had been decided and there was not much room for negotiation, I got a 2.25% raise.
This year when I emailed my self review to my manager I brought up the conversation from last year and said I wanted to revisit increasing my base pay to where I thought it should be and included some reasons of why. Had my review the other day and got a 7% raise. If I had said nothing last year I probably would of got the same 2-3% raise in base pay.
TL:DR - Always ask for a raise and make sure your manager knows what you are expecting (Include research/reasons etc on why you deserve it)
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Yeah pro tip: your annual raise and any raise you are going to ask for and also any promotion you are going to get for the next 12 months has already been decided and budgeted for. Anything outside of that is a giant PITA to get if you work for a big international company.
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Along those lines, I’ve never been in a position to negotiate my wage, but the Mrs has said that whenever her boss has said “let me know if you have anything we need to consider/add to the budget” it’s code for “let me know now if you’re gonna ask for a raise.”
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Since September: CEO-gone, COO- gone, Marketing Director- Gone, HR Director- Gone, Credentialing Director- Gone, ITT Director- Gone, CFO- Cutting benefits. New CEO- "Fanning, You covered your territory, I need you in Ohio now by cutting your bonuses". @michigancat I'll pay you a fee for you to update my resume these days.
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Classic sinking ship. Best of luck to you.
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Yeah pro tip: your annual raise and any raise you are going to ask for and also any promotion you are going to get for the next 12 months has already been decided and budgeted for. Anything outside of that is a giant PITA to get if you work for a big international company.
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finance person here- when making these types of decisions no one but finance really cares what's in/out of budget. the other orgs will just blame finance for not budgeting enough for merit/market adjustments/promotions if they go over. also, budgeting usually just considers a certain percentage by organization, usually 3-5%%, it's not budgeted by individual. your boss can award that however they want.
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I've never once in my life asked for a raise :peek:
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Since September: CEO-gone, COO- gone, Marketing Director- Gone, HR Director- Gone, Credentialing Director- Gone, ITT Director- Gone, CFO- Cutting benefits. New CEO- "Fanning, You covered your territory, I need you in Ohio now by cutting your bonuses". @michigancat I'll pay you a fee for you to update my resume these days.
What does we need you in Ohio now by cutting your bonuses mean?
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He’s restructuring our bonus plan and it’s not for the better. I’m legit pissed. I don’t wanna go job shopping right now with my first born coming in 4 months.
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you also don't want to be the last one on a sinking barge that's on fire
#bargegas
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True dat
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Such a good movie
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Such a good movie
thanks. we wouldn't have gone viral without cat dude_33's marketing efforts though
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sorry, not to derail this thread, but now i can't stop thinking about that hot and steamy scene between Diane Lane's character and Violin. some of the most intense cinema i've seen in quite some time.
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woah that scene rewrote how the world thinks about cinema
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Guys, my friend posted it downstairs in the dungeon.
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When keeping it real goes wrong...
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Just a quick FYI for your information: Just switched careers after 11 years in the teaching biz. Sucks having to work in the summer but it's amazing not being in charge of 150 dumbass kids the entire day. Any pro-tips about working in an office are appreciated.
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Stay above the drama and corporate kissassing. There are lots more idiots in the office than not.
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Use all of your vacation and don't save it for Christmas unless you're actually traveling. Bring decent coffee. Don't accept social media friend requests from coworkers. My number one rule: don't bang a co-worker. Nobody needs that drama.
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Stay above the drama and corporate kissassing. There are lots more idiots in the office than not.
I liked these. People will try to create drama just like kids in school. It's pretty easily avoidable in most cases.
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Do not question the companies intentions when it starts to sink. Especially when they hire a dime store for a hooker as their new HR Manager. :Keke:
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my advice....take seriouscat69's advice and no one elses
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the best guidance can be found in the hilarious things at your office thread
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Just a quick FYI for your information: Just switched careers after 11 years in the teaching biz. Sucks having to work in the summer but it's amazing not being in charge of 150 dumbass kids the entire day. Any pro-tips about working in an office are appreciated.
You hate to see it.
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Go out and crush it in your first few months to a year so everyone is like “hey this guy is a really good employee” and then coast on your reputation from then on, doing just enough not to get fired.
This strategy 100% works.
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Just a quick FYI for your information: Just switched careers after 11 years in the teaching biz. Sucks having to work in the summer but it's amazing not being in charge of 150 dumbass kids the entire day. Any pro-tips about working in an office are appreciated.
You hate to see it.
It’s a tragedy really.
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Go out and crush it in your first few months to a year so everyone is like “hey this guy is a really good employee” and then coast on your reputation from then on, doing just enough not to get fired.
This strategy 100% works.
This is correct, also dress slightly above whatever your dress code is when you first start. First impressions last a long time.
When I started at a new job a couple of years ago the person I was working with/ training me wore slacks/dress shirt to the office every day while most employees wore jean/khaki's and a polo.
My first impression was "Wow, this guy knows his stuff". After working there a couple of months I realized this guy was terrible at his job and didn't know anything.
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Don't talk crap about your co-workers to other co-workers.
HR is there to protect the company and not you.
Ask for a raise every chance you can but make sure you have developed your argument on why you deserve the raise.
Go to outside of work company events like Happy HR etc to help build relationships with your co-workers.
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some of this probably applied to teaching as well as general office environment so disregard if so:
- after you've spent enough time there to figure out who the most respected and highest ceiling people are in positions at least two levels above yours pick out the best candidate and ask them to mentor you. in the opening discussion find out how much time they could invest (like 1 hour every two weeks or a month or whatever) and set a meeting for those times and come prepared for that meeting with questions and seeking advice (even if you don't have anything you need come with open ended questions and let them talk). You can also ask to be involved in projects they are working on. you'll a) learn a lot and b) attach yourself to their coat tails to get a piece of their rise through the company.
- you'll eventually have a ton of time to goof off and message board and just waste away. doing some of that is good but use a lot of that time to develop yourself. get a designation, take a class, take on additional work, volunteer for projects, whatever. again, multiple things here, you'll a) learn a lot and b) make people see you have drive.
- ask a lot of questions. don't "fake it till you make it" because you'll take some black eyes. also it shows you are really paying attention. BUT, when you are told to do something do it to the best of your knowledge and THEN ask if you did it correctly. be a self starter and all that.
- agree on dress above requirements (but don't go nuts), agree on attending all after work stuff you are able to.
- if there is a society in the space your company is in join it and be relatively active in the society.
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Don't be friends with these people on social media. They're not your friends. Most of them would eat their own to get a head of you.
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I fail so hard on the work events stuff and know it probably holds me back some but I just can't stand that crap.
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some of this probably applied to teaching as well as general office environment so disregard if so:
- after you've spent enough time there to figure out who the most respected and highest ceiling people are in positions at least two levels above yours pick out the best candidate and ask them to mentor you. in the opening discussion find out how much time they could invest (like 1 hour every two weeks or a month or whatever) and set a meeting for those times and come prepared for that meeting with questions and seeking advice (even if you don't have anything you need come with open ended questions and let them talk). You can also ask to be involved in projects they are working on. you'll a) learn a lot and b) attach yourself to their coat tails to get a piece of their rise through the company.
- you'll eventually have a ton of time to goof off and message board and just waste away. doing some of that is good but use a lot of that time to develop yourself. get a designation, take a class, take on additional work, volunteer for projects, whatever. again, multiple things here, you'll a) learn a lot and b) make people see you have drive.
- ask a lot of questions. don't "fake it till you make it" because you'll take some black eyes. also it shows you are really paying attention. BUT, when you are told to do something do it to the best of your knowledge and THEN ask if you did it correctly. be a self starter and all that.
- agree on dress above requirements (but don't go nuts), agree on attending all after work stuff you are able to.
- if there is a society in the space your company is in join it and be relatively active in the society.
omg hai warren buffet. :drool:
srs tho catdude_33 don't do anything sd said to do because honestly i think he made the stuff up. just go to work and have a good time, that's what life is all about.
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Coworkers love it when you say "working hard or hardly working?"
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always say, "livin' the dream" when people at your office ask you how it's going
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always say, "livin' the dream" when people at your office ask you how it's going
Great water cooler talk
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another day, another dollar
thats my go to
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Find a female coworker to refer to as "trouble"
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Don't be friends with these people on social media. They're not your friends. Most of them would eat their own to get a head of you.
I'm buds with alot of my coworkers on social media and "Like" pictures of their kids and ask them how the activity their kid was participating in went. You know, normal stuff.
Just don't post anything on social media yourself and you are good to go.
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like i said, only listen to seriouscat69's advice
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I’ve got a Canadian friend and he said the trick is kick someone's ass the first day, or become somebody's bitch.
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Only take SD’s advice if you want to be a big shot some day.
I really can’t oversell the coasting lifestyle enough though.
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always say, "livin' the dream" when people at your office ask you how it's going
I just say "well, I'm here."
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I loled the first time I heard "living the dream." Then, I heard it like a thousand more times right after that.
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I loled the first time I heard "living the dream." Then, I heard it like a thousand more times right after that.
i always come back with "somebody elses'" it usually gets a chuckle
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"this is really what you dream about?"
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i say "just doing my thing"
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Can I use emojis in inter office emails? I love using the "thumbs up".
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some of this probably applied to teaching as well as general office environment so disregard if so:
- after you've spent enough time there to figure out who the most respected and highest ceiling people are in positions at least two levels above yours pick out the best candidate and ask them to mentor you. in the opening discussion find out how much time they could invest (like 1 hour every two weeks or a month or whatever) and set a meeting for those times and come prepared for that meeting with questions and seeking advice (even if you don't have anything you need come with open ended questions and let them talk). You can also ask to be involved in projects they are working on. you'll a) learn a lot and b) attach yourself to their coat tails to get a piece of their rise through the company.
- you'll eventually have a ton of time to goof off and message board and just waste away. doing some of that is good but use a lot of that time to develop yourself. get a designation, take a class, take on additional work, volunteer for projects, whatever. again, multiple things here, you'll a) learn a lot and b) make people see you have drive.
- ask a lot of questions. don't "fake it till you make it" because you'll take some black eyes. also it shows you are really paying attention. BUT, when you are told to do something do it to the best of your knowledge and THEN ask if you did it correctly. be a self starter and all that.
- agree on dress above requirements (but don't go nuts), agree on attending all after work stuff you are able to.
- if there is a society in the space your company is in join it and be relatively active in the society.
:thumbs:
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sucking up really works.
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sucking up really works.
Fo Sho
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Steve Dave’s advice on the out of work stuff is very good. I hated doing all the social crap, but it helped. The mentoring idea is fantastic too. Just being someone who is willing to help (while not bitching) and not loaf is like over half the battle...Every younger person I have worked with at my company over the last 15+ years who really did these things has moved up rapidly.
I am now at a point where I have almost zero desire to move up, and am looking to not move down. Ironically, avoiding social situations suits this goal quite well!
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Can I use emojis in inter office emails? I love using the "thumbs up".
Constantly use this
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Can I use emojis in inter office emails? I love using the "thumbs up".
Constantly use this
a gold star was my go to
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Can I use emojis in inter office emails? I love using the "thumbs up".
Constantly use this
Same
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I also use the a lot in work texts
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very patriotic
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I use a lot of egg plant emojis with my female coworkers.
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show an example like steve dave did serious69
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Coworker: Hey 420, would you mind helping me with.....
Me: :fatty:
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Coworker: Hey 420, what did you think about....
Me:
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I also use the a lot in work texts
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This is exactly how I assume business people talk.
“Hey Jim did you do that business today?”
“Oh sorry I got caught up on other business. I’ll try to do that business next week.”
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we also celebrate who did the most/best business this month and rub it in other people's faces because they did less or not as good business. rough ridin' own them with that. this is what we call a pro-business move.
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I follow lots of coworkers on instagram but not facebook or twitter. But I usually look pretty closely at who else from the company is following first. It's fine for some and not for others. Generally, it's the equivalent of going to a social event after work - you're just getting to know your coworkers better.
**This of course assumes you don't post crap on your instagram that you wouldn't want people at work to know about.
A big one is make sure your job has clear deliverables or objectives or whatever. Your manager should lay that out when you start but if they don't write your own down and discuss it with them after you get the lay of the land
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Got a call from the receptionist to my office today and she said "Your 2 O'Clock is here". It made me feel like a real business person. Maybe someday I'll be able to tell an assistant to "clear my afternoon" or something along those lines. :love:
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ha, classic office stuff. I'd give anything to be in your shoes and experiencing that for the first time. not really but you know.
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sounds like my guy _33 is really grabbing that business life by the proverbial nutsack
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I think I want a different job, thoughts?
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Do it!!!
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like you hate your company, hate your current role, or want to do something different altogether like my guy _33?
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I believe _33 was a teacher beforehand. A lot of Mrs. Wacky's friends seem to be teachers that have discussed getting out of the industry. I always wanted to know how that process looks and how a interview would go from that. If you could provide any pro tips, I'd appreciate it. :cheers:
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like you hate your company, hate your current role, or want to do something different altogether like my guy _33?
I like the company and people in it a lot, but I'm super bored.
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if it's a decent sized company i would figure out what other roles you'd be interested in realistically based on your skills and qualifications, and let your boss/mentor/whoever know so they can try and get you other opportunities when they become available, or stretch opportunities to get involved in other projects in your current role. if it's a company with other locations, and you're young/single/open to moving, maybe it's a good time to do that or at least consider it.
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be like the guy in wolf of wall street
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Do coke at lunch?
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That was on last night. So good. :love:
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Do coke at lunch?
I think he means you should be like the FBI agent.
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I hate being bored at work, part of why I got a new job.
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Do coke at lunch?
I think he means you should be like the FBI agent.
Coach a high school football team?
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being bored at work means you are super good at your job, congrats lib
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Get a job where people take you to lunch/dinner to beg for you to hire them.
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That sounds horrible
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That sounds horrible
really? I like nice meals with someone who needs my business.
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I really enjoy vendors taking me to lunch. Had three of them this week.
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I always dread it. I don't want to talk to these people
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vendor lunch is way better than a vendor dinner. vendor dinners take FOREVER
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Vendor drinks >
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Vendor golf >
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vendor golf is too much of a time sink for me. hooch gives me freedom to run that bill up or jet depending on the vibe.
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I'm gonna play anyhow. Might as well be free at a nice course with free booze.
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Midwestern engineer vendor lunches blow gigantic sack. It's always fing panera or some bs
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Thank god I'm not enough of a big shot to have to deal with vendor golf. I seriously might quit over that
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Every day that passes I start having more irrational 'office space' type thoughts. Sometimes I start laughing uncontrollably. Starting to alienate some old friends by saying disgruntled angry stuff. Then I laugh about it.
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If you guys can ever find a way to work strictly remote, I strongly advise it. It’s been a blessing. No office politics, just put up numbers and peace out. Lib, I’m not sure what you do, but you seem good at it. Maybe start applying at companies where their corporate head quarters are not here and kick ass from home if possible.
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If you guys can ever find a way to work strictly remote, I strongly advise it. It’s been a blessing. No office politics, just put up numbers and peace out. Lib, I’m not sure what you do, but you seem good at it. Maybe start applying at companies where their corporate head quarters are not here and kick ass from home if possible.
I disagree with like 90% of what wacky posts, but this is true. Been working remotely for 7 weeks so far and it is fantastic.
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Ive worked from home a couple times and am absolutely worthless besides the bare minimum of responding to emails etc, I actually kind of enjoy my office environment.
Last time I worked from home a couple months ago (moving offices) I spent the afternoon pouring concrete to patch my driveway.
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It’s different when they know you’re solely remote. Put up or shut up, I think the term is. I sucked ass as well with my old company working from home when everything was in place.
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I could work 100% remote but I do enjoy the causal social interaction.
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Could never do with 3 kids and I’m like Ben Ji, the office is a fun place for me
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Dream scenario is work 90% of the time from home, 10% from the company office conveniently located near a Marriott (Cat 6 or higher) that is paid for and I get per diem.
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I live that life
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I definitely don't have the self discipline to work from home.
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Working from home is great and I think I am more productive than when I was in an office and had to be there for X hours. Now I get crap done and get on with my day vs knowing I'm at my desk for 5 more hours to go and 1 hour of actual work left.
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Yup! :cheers:
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I live that life
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So 3 separate times from 3 different people in the past couple of weeks I have gotten an email with the greeting “I hope this email finds you well...” What? Are you emailing me from Valley Forge in 1778?
Is this a normal business email greeting?
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haha
are they trying to sell you something?
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Beats starting your email with hey eff face but ymmv.
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Definitely sounds like how a salesperson or someone who does not know you would start an email (I'm in sales but never use that intro for an email).
I do have a fairly large customer who will start every email like this
Hello ben ji,
I hope you are doing well.
I had a questions on XYZ BLAH BLAH BLAH WORK STUFF
I will respond with
Hello Customer,
I'm doing great, just got back from a trip to XYZ and had a great time. What have you been up to?
The answer to your question is ABCDEF.
This goes back and forth for a while and eventually I call them and ask about their daughters XYZ thing that they mentioned and say about 10 words during the 10 minute call. I've known this customer for around 5 years and this exact scenario happens a couple of times each year without fail.
SALES 101
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Alright guys I need some feedback.
I’ve been at my new job for a little over 4 months now. It was a monster pay bump, I like the people I work with and it’s a really good company. However, I feel like I’m being under utilized. I’m really rough ridin' good at what I do and I feel like I could be contributing a lot more.
There’s all kinds of growth and upward movement that will happen in time, but I’m impatient. Should I just keep my head down and work and just wait OR should I look elsewhere where I could make more of an impact sooner? I’ve really been struggling with this because I do like where I’m at, it’s just I could be contributing so much more.
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how are you gonna explain it in an interview when they ask you why you've only been at your current position for 4 months?
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Cash checks and wait for the opportunity to grow there. That's what I'm doing.
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Depending on your overall job description and responsibilities 4 months may not be enough time for you and your company to really figure out where and how you fit in and let you hit your stride. What does your boss say when you mention this in 1 on 1s?
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never leave a company unless you've been there at least 11 months is my new motto. it's a motto i adopted after leaving my last company after 6 months. prior to this motto, my motto was never leave a company in unless you've been there at least 7 months.
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Alright guys I need some feedback.
I’ve been at my new job for a little over 4 months now. It was a monster pay bump, I like the people I work with and it’s a really good company. However, I feel like I’m being under utilized. I’m really rough ridin' good at what I do and I feel like I could be contributing a lot more.
There’s all kinds of growth and upward movement that will happen in time, but I’m impatient. Should I just keep my head down and work and just wait OR should I look elsewhere where I could make more of an impact sooner? I’ve really been struggling with this because I do like where I’m at, it’s just I could be contributing so much more.
talk to your manager. do you meet regularly? If not you should, even if it's just something like a half hour every two weeks. A decent manager will give you an idea of where you stand and tell you to shut up and keep your head down, but a really good one will try to find new ways to challenge you.
Regardless, I'd also suggest going to your manager conversations prepared with specific ways you think you could utilize more of your potential. Managers are generally pretty lazy and like it when employees do the work for them.
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Might of been buzzed during the chiefs game and responded to an email from my boss with "Lets get this bread". He was confused
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Might of been buzzed during the chiefs game and responded to an email from my boss with "Lets get this bread". He was confused
Could have been much worse/awkward.
Buddy of mine at work several years ago was dating a girl with the same name as our boss texted our boss at 1AM. "I Love you, wish I was next to you" - or something like that. We still laugh about that one.
This same boss, who I've had at 2 different stops, got a text from a current coworker about a year ago. He was dating another one of our colleagues with a similar name. And drunkenly texted our boss, "it was so great meeting your friends and spending time with you. I love you. blah blah blah" Earlier he had said he was going to her birthday party so my boss knew who the text was meant for. Nobody knew they were dating until that text (although we had our suspicions).
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Those aren’t as bad as this one dude I know who messaged a coworker accusing her of whoring around.
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LOL
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oh dear
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lmao
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Those aren’t as bad as this one dude I know who messaged a coworker accusing her of whoring around.
That's top notch
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There was no accusing, just spitting straight facts, homie.
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There was no training at the location that I had in my calendar so I'm heading home for the day
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So the company I work for has bought a few other local companies recently and kept them as separate divisions. One of these has a position open that I'm interested in, what's the protocol here? Let my supervisor know? Let hr know? Procrastinate and feel regret later?
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get that bread
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So the company I work for has bought a few other local companies recently and kept them as separate divisions. One of these has a position open that I'm interested in, what's the protocol here? Let my supervisor know? Let hr know? Procrastinate and feel regret later?
Tell your boss you have interest before applying.
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I would agree on letting your boss know for the most part.
However, have a friend who was offered a position in a different office within my old company. He let his boss know. Boss countered the offer. Buddy declined and said he wanted to try out the other office(moving from Atlanta to Chicago). Boss fired him on the spot because he was pissed he wouldn't take the counter. Didn't end up getting either job. to be fair, he said f the company altogether and went somewhere else. The other offer was still on the table.
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Moral of story. If your boss is an a-hole. Screw him. If not, let him know. A good boss is supportive of advancement.
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Thanks for the advice but I've decided to go with procrastinate and feel regret later
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I've decided to go with procrastinate and feel regret later
i thought that was probably the best option all along, but i didn't want to say so and appear unsupportive.
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Change is scary and doing the same thing is cozy.
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Source: I’ve worked for the same company since I left college and will probably never work anywhere else.
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Source: I’ve worked for the same company since I left college and will probably never work anywhere else.
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Do you feel like you've left money on the table staying there?
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Yes, but not a substantial amount. And the pros far outweigh the cons with this much employment equity imo. I’ve reached the point that I have freedom to build my team however I want, wherever I want. Also I work for a Swiss company and the Euros have some pretty ridiculous incentives for tenure. At this point (15 years with Co) I get a 14%(!!) salary match for my 401k (I have a pension that they quit funding and now they just dump an assload more to my 401k), better than industry bonus structure, long term incentive plans on top of that, 36 days of paid time off a year + the usual holidays, a bunch of other crunchy perks.
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Yes, but not a substantial amount. And the pros far outweigh the cons with this much employment equity imo. I’ve reached the point that I have freedom to build my team however I want, wherever I want. Also I work for a Swiss company and the Euros have some pretty ridiculous incentives for tenure. At this point (15 years with Co) I get a 14%(!!) salary match for my 401k (I have a pension that they quit funding and now they just dump an assload more to my 401k), better than industry bonus structure, long term incentive plans on top of that, 36 days of paid time off a year + the usual holidays, a bunch of other crunchy perks.
:thumbsup:
Next time I look to see what is out there, I'm going to probably have to weigh current comfort into the equation way more than in the past. Previously, it's almost always been about salary.
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I get a 14%(!!) salary match for my 401k
:surprised:
Do you plan to retire early and have an idea about when you'd be able to?
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I get a 14%(!!) salary match for my 401k
:surprised:
Do you plan to retire early and have an idea about when you'd be able to?
I’ve got several dozen children of undetermined intelligence/drive so right now there are no plans
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That's a sweet match. My IRL bud has been with same company since graduation as well. He's retiring at 52. No kids bleeding him dry. So he's been fully funding for 20+ years.
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Yes, but not a substantial amount. And the pros far outweigh the cons with this much employment equity imo. I’ve reached the point that I have freedom to build my team however I want, wherever I want. Also I work for a Swiss company and the Euros have some pretty ridiculous incentives for tenure. At this point (15 years with Co) I get a 14%(!!) salary match for my 401k (I have a pension that they quit funding and now they just dump an assload more to my 401k), better than industry bonus structure, long term incentive plans on top of that, 36 days of paid time off a year + the usual holidays, a bunch of other crunchy perks.
Sounds like you're an airline pilot. They get 15-16% direct contribution because the company expects half of them to croke/medical out by age 50.
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I miss my unlimited time off. imo, most people who crap on it haven't had it. I thought it was great.
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That's a sweet match. My IRL bud has been with same company since graduation as well. He's retiring at 52. No kids bleeding him dry. So he's been fully funding for 20+ years.
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How do you access your 401K at 52?
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That's a sweet match. My IRL bud has been with same company since graduation as well. He's retiring at 52. No kids bleeding him dry. So he's been fully funding for 20+ years.
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How do you access your 401K at 52?
What is Rule 72(t)?
Rule 72(t) allows penalty-free withdrawals from IRA accounts and other tax-advantaged retirement accounts like 401(k) and 403(b) plans. It is issued by the Internal Revenue Service. To take advantage of this rule, the owner of the retirement account must take at least five substantially equal periodic payments (SEPPs), and the amount of the payments depend on the owner’s life expectancy as calculated through IRS-approved methods.
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i'll be goddamned. i had no idea.
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or Roth conversion ladder if you have money to bridge the 5 year waiting period
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I miss my unlimited time off. imo, most people who crap on it haven't had it. I thought it was great.
I don't even know what unlimited time off means.
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It's in the name
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It's in the name
What, you can just work whenever you feel like it? Is it paid time off?
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It's unlimited until you take too much, and then you just get fired.
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It's in the name
It’s a scam
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Most studies agree iirc
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Yeah, I too get "unlimited vacation." Can confirm it's a scam.
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Unlimited time off means all vacations are working vacations.
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I have unlimited vacation and I've tried to make the most of it and not work when I go on vacation.
The biggest advantage is I started taking days off to go to weekday day Oakland A's games. I would never take a paid day to go to a dumb baseball game, but hell yeah I will with unlimited PTO. Plus I can send a few emails in the morning and not really miss much.
But yeah overall I'd rather just get 4 weeks or whatever.
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That's a sweet match. My IRL bud has been with same company since graduation as well. He's retiring at 52. No kids bleeding him dry. So he's been fully funding for 20+ years.
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How do you access your 401K at 52?
What is Rule 72(t)?
Rule 72(t) allows penalty-free withdrawals from IRA accounts and other tax-advantaged retirement accounts like 401(k) and 403(b) plans. It is issued by the Internal Revenue Service. To take advantage of this rule, the owner of the retirement account must take at least five substantially equal periodic payments (SEPPs), and the amount of the payments depend on the owner’s life expectancy as calculated through IRS-approved methods.
Thank you sir.
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Do you guys measure vacation in full 7 day weeks or 5 day business weeks? This is something I've always wondered about other people.
Like is 4 weeks 28 days or 20 days?
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Do you guys measure vacation in full 7 day weeks or 5 day business weeks? This is something I've always wondered about other people.
Like is 4 weeks 28 days or 20 days?
20 everywhere that I've been. I've seen people shocked it's not 28 but can't imagine a business exists that does it that way.
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We moved into a new office a couple of months ago that has TV's mounted on the walls. For the first couple of months they were not setup but on Monday they magically started working but there are only 3 channels we can choose from.
1. Fox News
2. The Weather Channel
3. CNBC
On monday the TV closest to my desk was on the weather channel most of the day and I changed it to CNBC.
This morning I came in and it was on Fox News so I changed it back to CNBC as I was walking to my desk.
I just got back from lunch and it had been changed back to Fox News.
How far/petty should I take the changing of the channel war that has just started? I'm about 90% sure I know who is changing the channel but they have not done it in front of me and honestly I don't care besides the whole "Winning the channel changing war" thing.
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Stay late and block the other two channels
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Take the remote
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Do you guys measure vacation in full 7 day weeks or 5 day business weeks? This is something I've always wondered about other people.
Like is 4 weeks 28 days or 20 days?
Just in days. I’ve never heard it referred to as weeks.
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Do you guys measure vacation in full 7 day weeks or 5 day business weeks? This is something I've always wondered about other people.
Like is 4 weeks 28 days or 20 days?
Just in days. I’ve never heard it referred to as weeks.
military and federal law enforcement will refer to it as weeks sometimes.
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steve dave has only worked one place so of course he's only heard of it one way. I have worked many places and have always heard it measured in weeks (1 week = 5 days) when like looking at bullet points as a job offer. Like, 2 weeks vacation or 1 week vacation in year 1, 2 weeks year 2, 3 weeks year 5 or something. Increases generally go up in 1week/5 day/40 hour increments.
And then it's usually translated into a rate where you get 1/26 of 2 weeks or whatever added to your PTO balance every paycheck. That's how it's been at most functioning organizations I've worked for.
Granted I've only worked at one place for the last four years where it's been unlimited. Recently they asked us to put the vacation requests into ADP! Even though it's unlimited! (really it's probably good because more people take not enough rather than too much)
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I’ve only worked for one company but interview and hire shitloads of people from other companies and adjacent sectors. I think it’s probably industry culture on time off/vacation/PTO. In financial services (and being a professional pilot) it’s days.
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My last interview was weeks but my current job is/was days :th_twocents:
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I’ve only worked for one company but interview and hire shitloads of people from other companies and adjacent sectors. I think it’s probably industry culture on time off/vacation/PTO. In financial services (and being a professional pilot) it’s days.
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My last job separated vacation (increases by weeks/five days) and "flex holidays" or some bullshit. I think you had to take a flex day every quarter or something. Made no sense to me
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Week equals five days in most civilian jobs. I currently get three weeks plus ten holidays.
When I was in the Navy, we did days and weekends counted. :(
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Take the remote
No remote, just some small box connected to TV that lets you go up or down 1 channel.
Just changed it to the weather channel when I came it...
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I'm curious if the person changes from TWC to Fox News. Or if they only change from CNBC to Fox News.
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It's in the name
What, you can just work whenever you feel like it? Is it paid time off?
It just means its not tracked, and you can take however much vacation your boss will allow you to take - yes its paid.
Sounds like people in this thread have crap jobs/bosses.
Some think its a scam because some people are too stupid to use it. When there is no accrued time to "lose" people often end up taking less time off. But that is their own fault for being dumbasses.
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It's in the name
What, you can just work whenever you feel like it? Is it paid time off?
It just means its not tracked, and you can take however much vacation your boss will allow you to take - yes its paid.
Sounds like people in this thread have crap jobs/bosses.
Some think its a scam because some people are too stupid to use it. When there is no accrued time to "lose" people often end up taking less time off. But that is their own fault for being dumbasses.
Agreed. It's only a problem when the employee is already a problem.
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Drink less.
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I believe Sdk was in IT as well, must be a thankless job
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Kickball season in November? :love:
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My advice is to just get your work done and leave, why are you trying to have fun at work?
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Working remote is the best thing that has ever happened to me. Who gaf about your coworkers who also don't gaf?
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Sounds like you're conditioned like me to the daily grind of "being present". I feel guilty too if I leave early, come in late, etc. I know I shouldn't because I get my crap done in a timely manner...but our corporate culture of the past 20 years has been beaten into me.
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Myself and half of my employees are full time work from wherever and nobody has to be anywhere at any specific time outside of client and internal meetings. There are positives and negatives about it but ultimately it works very well if you have driven people and you hold them accountable to getting results.
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i have a travel/mostly remote job with very few in-office expectations and i don't know that i'll ever be able to go back
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i have a travel/mostly remote job with very few in-office expectations and i don't know that i'll ever be able to go back
I spent the last two weeks in the office with a new hire and it was very refreshing. But I’m happy to be back at my home office in joggers.
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I do get excited when they fly me in to the home office from time to time. They're flying me in, in December, just for the Holiday party. That should be fun.
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make sure to get loaded and air your grievances with the people you work with
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:lol: No Negative Consequences
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i have a travel/mostly remote job with very few in-office expectations and i don't know that i'll ever be able to go back
i'll never voluntarily go back and i don't think i'd be capable if it was forced upon me.
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i have a travel/mostly remote job with very few in-office expectations and i don't know that i'll ever be able to go back
i'll never voluntarily go back and i don't think i'd be capable if it was forced upon me.
I would convince myself that I liked the change for a week and then realize how much I missed the home office.
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Data point: I was so hung over I laid in my bed for 2 hours this morning with my laptop next to me so I could respond to IM’s.
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Man I was pretty faced last night.
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The last month at work has just sucked major ass/balls/taints. My car transmission might have went out on Tuesday. It’s just been a long month, guys.
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Data point: I was so hung over I laid in my bed for 2 hours this morning with my laptop next to me so I could respond to IM’s.
you did good.
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Hey guys, I still work at work. So old school, I know. :Censored:
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Drink less.
LOL what did I miss
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Man I was pretty faced last night.
@michigancat
Choo choo has removed it from the record. I will respect his privacy. If he wants to tell you, he can.
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Well played, spracs. You’ve always been my favorite hawk for a reason and my wife doesn’t even mind it. ;)
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Well played, spracs. You’ve always been my favorite hawk for a reason and my wife doesn’t even mind it. ;)
Two days ago, I was abruptly informed I needed to be in the federal court in Kansas City for an emergency hearing today! Quite unusual, given economics. It ended up getting cancelled, but if the siren's song ever brings me that way for real we should get TBT-level drunk.
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i have a travel/mostly remote job with very few in-office expectations and i don't know that i'll ever be able to go back
I’ve only been remote for 5 months, but they are going to have to pry it from my cold dead hands
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Well played, spracs. You’ve always been my favorite hawk for a reason and my wife doesn’t even mind it. ;)
Two days ago, I was abruptly informed I needed to be in the federal court in Kansas City for an emergency hearing today! Quite unusual, given economics. It ended up getting cancelled, but if the siren's song ever brings me that way for real we should get TBT-level drunk.
Yes please!
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Just made a pot of coffee if you want to know how work is going.
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Just made a pot of coffee if you want to know how work is going.
Yep. Still working. :chainsaw:
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I'll be working from home full time due to COVID19. :Woot:
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I'll be working from home full time due to COVID19. :Woot:
NOOOOOOOOOOO!
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I'm also thinking that this is a good opportunity never to go back.
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You shut your mouth, buy some Purell and get back in that office
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Season 3- Off-Site Coronas
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Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
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Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
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Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
I'm curious about this, too. Will check back at 3 A.M. to find out.
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Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
I'm curious about this, too. Will check back at 3 A.M. to find out.
Been thinking about job searching since late last year. The best time to move on would be May. I think I will be sticking around.
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Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
I'm curious about this, too. Will check back at 3 A.M. to find out.
Heh
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Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
I'm curious about this, too. Will check back at 3 A.M. to find out.
:ROFL: 2:56AM to be precise.
I am concerned about the offer being rescinded. The job is essentially monitoring a state funded program in roughly a dozen secondary schools statewide. With school possibly being done for the rest of the year, I don't know what is going to happen. In addition to this, the timing of leaving my current job any later than mid-April accounts to a death sentence and would flush nearly a decade of work down the toilet. Having to cancel summer camp on account of the rona may, ironically enough, actually help me personally.
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Accepted a new job on Friday afternoon, an hour after the governor of Iowa announced we don't have community spread, 36 hours later, first case of community spread and of course it's in the Des Moines area. Good thing I didn't turn in a letter of resignation, yet.
Like the new job will rescind or what?
I'm curious about this, too. Will check back at 3 A.M. to find out.
:ROFL: 2:56AM to be precise.
I am concerned about the offer being rescinded. The job is essentially monitoring a state funded program in roughly a dozen secondary schools statewide. With school possibly being done for the rest of the year, I don't know what is going to happen. In addition to this, the timing of leaving my current job any later than mid-April accounts to a death sentence and would flush nearly a decade of work down the toilet. Having to cancel summer camp on account of the rona may, ironically enough, actually help me personally.
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I feel for you, tough choice there. Is your camp going to do any goofy digital camp stuff? Could be fun to set some of that stuff up. Campfire stories etc.
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No plans for that now. Our program is almost wholly outdoor based, sans technology so it might be weird for them to do. We have the bandwidth to do whatever they want though.
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Wanna see some business owner email content that I should NOT have been copied on?
This shows just how out of touch Washington is with Small business - once again. This could easily put us out of business. If I recall we may get a full tax credit sometimes in 2021- it will all be over well before then. It seems to me that I’d be better if closing all my stores and warehouse now - and push all to unemployment- thus avoiding the above penalties for those that fall into the above as the virus progresses.
Can we have a call tomorrow to confirm or deny my fears?? It is possible I could be completely wrong on this- I hope so!
Please advise.
Can we talk at 9:30 tomorrow?
On Average - $12 per hour/8 hrs per day- 10 days- 275 employees= $264k? Possible exposure ?! Hopefully I’m way over calculating...
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Forgot to update here, I was finally given a contract and signed it. I have one month left as a camp director, on to the next. 20 years, Damn.
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Congrats and good luck! Apologies if I missed it but what industry? Same location?
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Staying locally, actually moving to Des Moines. I'm working in education, for a partially government funded partially privately funded program focused on secondary school retention. I'll be supervising programs in 15 schools, statewide.
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nice. congratulations.
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Congrats MIR!
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Congrats IRL friend!
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Thanks y'all.
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Congrats MIR
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Forgot to update here, I was finally given a contract and signed it. I have one month left as a camp director, on to the next. 20 years, Damn.
Congrats!
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Maybe not the right thread, but our leadership is so rough ridin' worried about not being able to keep a close eye on everything that we are spending 1-2 hours a day for planning and update meetings.
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Maybe not the right thread, but our leadership is so rough ridin' worried about not being able to keep a close eye on everything that we are spending 1-2 hours a day for planning and update meetings.
Do you work at Apple?
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Maybe not the right thread, but our leadership is so rough ridin' worried about not being able to keep a close eye on everything that we are spending 1-2 hours a day for planning and update meetings.
Do you work at Apple?
I do not. Do you?
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Maybe not the right thread, but our leadership is so rough ridin' worried about not being able to keep a close eye on everything that we are spending 1-2 hours a day for planning and update meetings.
Do you work at Apple?
I do not.
Not the right thread.
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I started a new job on the 16th and I was worried the entire week leading up to it that they might rescind it.
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Maybe not the right thread, but our leadership is so rough ridin' worried about not being able to keep a close eye on everything that we are spending 1-2 hours a day for planning and update meetings.
Do you work at Apple?
I do not.
Not the right thread.
Yeah I’ve been that guy ITT too :blush:
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Had a job interview today on zoom. Kids were upstairs and we were in the last 15 mins of said interview. One of their tablets went dead and they decided to unplug my wifi router so they could plug in their tablet... I know one of my interviewers and sent her a text telling her what happened. Once i got back in to the interview everyone was laughing hysterically. Can only help my chances right?
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Had a job interview today on zoom. Kids were upstairs and we were in the last 15 mins of said interview. One of their tablets went dead and they decided to unplug my wifi router so they could plug in their tablet... I know one of my interviewers and sent her a text telling her what happened. Once i got back in to the interview everyone was laughing hysterically. Can only help my chances right?
Anyone who isn't a monster is finding joy in interruptions or disruptions from kids, pets, or family.
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Had a job interview today on zoom. Kids were upstairs and we were in the last 15 mins of said interview. One of their tablets went dead and they decided to unplug my wifi router so they could plug in their tablet... I know one of my interviewers and sent her a text telling her what happened. Once i got back in to the interview everyone was laughing hysterically. Can only help my chances right?
The only way it could hurt is if it isn’t a place you would want to be
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you nailed it
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Had a job interview today on zoom. Kids were upstairs and we were in the last 15 mins of said interview. One of their tablets went dead and they decided to unplug my wifi router so they could plug in their tablet... I know one of my interviewers and sent her a text telling her what happened. Once i got back in to the interview everyone was laughing hysterically. Can only help my chances right?
The only way it could hurt is if it isn’t a place you would want to be
100%
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Had a job interview today on zoom. Kids were upstairs and we were in the last 15 mins of said interview. One of their tablets went dead and they decided to unplug my wifi router so they could plug in their tablet... I know one of my interviewers and sent her a text telling her what happened. Once i got back in to the interview everyone was laughing hysterically. Can only help my chances right?
yes. also what 8man said
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Yeah, if they were stuffy after that happened I'm pretty sure I would have ended the interview myself. This was interview 2, so I had already met 3 of the 7 on the panel. (And 1 I've known for a decade)]
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pre ordered the iphone SE (2020). body of an iphone 8 but same guts as the newer iphones. only $400
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This thread is hilarious.
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I’m waiting for bqqkie to start a gates thread and it eventually becoming all about fence doors and crap.
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I’m waiting for bqqkie to start a gates thread and it eventually becoming all about fence doors and crap.
:lol:
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Got the job. Start in 3 weeks. It was actually really hard to step down from my current job.
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Got the job. Start in 3 weeks. It was actually really hard to step down from my current job.
What's the office situation with shelter in place? Essential business?
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changing jobs at this point in time is some serious balls. so is hiring new employees, so i'm glad you found a suitable match.
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I actually got a promotion that took effect the Monday of the crap storm week. Like that Wednesday was when the NBA shut down and dominoed stay at homes happened. Absolutely dodged a bullet on potentially changing/switching companies/jobs.
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Got the job. Start in 3 weeks. It was actually really hard to step down from my current job.
What's the office situation with shelter in place? Essential business?
I work in government. I've been working from home for a month. I'm just changing jobs to a different government. Onboarding is all virtual. On my first day, I'll go in, get my badge and my computer and then proceed to go home and work. Very different. I'll also meet my employees for the first time via zoom. I've met most of them at conferences or cross meetings before, so I won't be going in ice cold. The biggest change will be going from a highly technical position to a position where I'm managing employees.
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changing jobs at this point in time is some serious balls. so is hiring new employees, so i'm glad you found a suitable match.
When I applied, I assumed interviews and onboarding would be delayed until the lockdowns were lifted. I was officially hired 14 days after applying(contingent offer was 10 days after) and they are eager for me to start. In government, there are hiring freezes or slowdowns, but they will break those guidelines if they want/need to fill a position.
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changing jobs at this point in time is some serious balls. so is hiring new employees, so i'm glad you found a suitable match.
I hired a guy on 4/1. it's been a bizarre onboarding experience.
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Is this new job going to take away your bread pron time?
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Is this new job going to take away your bread pron time?
Nah, I am on my last loaf right now, so a new batch will be baking here pretty soon. Until we move I will have to commute for a bit so it will cut out of family time for a couple months (once I am actually able to go to the office)
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changing jobs at this point in time is some serious balls. so is hiring new employees, so i'm glad you found a suitable match.
I'm still on board to start on 5/4. I got an email today asking for a bio for the board and the website, starting to feel like it's actually going to happen. I was told my first week will be on site :ohno: :runaway: :pray:
Today, the start of my last week at my new job, is the first day I "worked" from home. The work has consisted of setting up the internet, all of the Rokus, and after I slam this pizza, I'm going to assemble my mower and arrange my garage.
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So hey guyz, been a crazy day at work...I'll start with a little backstory
Around 4 years ago 6 people including a couple I knew from previous jobs started a new company under the umbrella of a larger parent company. I was the 12th employee hired and over the past couple of years we have grown to around 80 employee's(pre covid), just rocking and rolling.
Back in March (not sure if it was all covid related or not) our parent company, which had pretty much left us alone, started to get more involved in our company and I could tell some higher ups in our company were not happy with it.
In June our VP (2nd in command and one of the founders) left the company. Then today 2 employee's (director level and hired before me) resigned. I called one of them up and we chatted for a bit but he was kind of vague saying "I just wasn't happy, I've saved some money and am going to take a couple of months off before taking a new job in October, have a couple of offers. We can discuss more later, just keep your head down and grind away". All 3 of these people have been my boss at some point and I have good relations with all of them.
Anyone had anything like this happen? I've got a couple of thoughts on the situation and will list them in order of likely hood.
1. They are totally going to start a new company in the same industry. (If not I now have 3 solid contacts in the industry that will be working elsewhere)
2. They just got pissed at the parent company meddling in our business and peaced out.
3. Our company or our parent company is not in a good financial position. (I'm pretty confident our company is good but I have no idea about the parent company).
Either way its not good, our Managing Director (#1 in our company) sent out an email around 5 basically saying "I know lots of you have questions and I will have more updates on Thursday"
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I'm in sales and landed a whale back in March which will pay some phat commission checks until next summer so I'm not really looking to leave unless they stop paying those checks.
Also this brings into focus some advice I've seen multiple times about how your loyalty(not sure if thats the right word) should be to your bosses/co-workers and not to the company. As the great Darcy Sears from Varsity Blues once said "Things Change Mox"
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So hey guyz, been a crazy day at work...I'll start with a little backstory
Around 4 years ago 6 people including a couple I knew from previous jobs started a new company under the umbrella of a larger parent company. I was the 12th employee hired and over the past couple of years we have grown to around 80 employee's(pre covid), just rocking and rolling.
Back in March (not sure if it was all covid related or not) our parent company, which had pretty much left us alone, started to get more involved in our company and I could tell some higher ups in our company were not happy with it.
In June our VP (2nd in command and one of the founders) left the company. Then today 2 employee's (director level and hired before me) resigned. I called one of them up and we chatted for a bit but he was kind of vague saying "I just wasn't happy, I've saved some money and am going to take a couple of months off before taking a new job in October, have a couple of offers. We can discuss more later, just keep your head down and grind away". All 3 of these people have been my boss at some point and I have good relations with all of them.
Anyone had anything like this happen? I've got a couple of thoughts on the situation and will list them in order of likely hood.
1. They are totally going to start a new company in the same industry. (If not I now have 3 solid contacts in the industry that will be working elsewhere)
2. They just got pissed at the parent company meddling in our business and peaced out.
3. Our company or our parent company is not in a good financial position. (I'm pretty confident our company is good but I have no idea about the parent company).
Either way its not good, our Managing Director (#1 in our company) sent out an email around 5 basically saying "I know lots of you have questions and I will have more updates on Thursday"
it could be a combination of 2 and 3. sounds like the outgoing folks signed non-competes of some sort.
Was one of them your boss? You might have opportunities to step up/have more freedom regardless. My advice is try to make it a positive as much as possible - turnover like that sucks but make the most of it.
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I'm in sales and landed a whale back in March which will pay some phat commission checks until next summer so I'm not really looking to leave unless they stop paying those checks.
Also this brings into focus some advice I've seen multiple times about how your loyalty(not sure if thats the right word) should be to your bosses/co-workers and not to the company. As the great Darcy Sears from Varsity Blues once said "Things Change Mox"
your loyalty should be to whoever's paying you the most money/making you happiest. eff your bosses and coworkers (and current company) tbh
(granted good people can factor into the happiness equation but I've been mumped by good bosses before, assume they will always put themselves ahead of you)
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I'm in sales and landed a whale back in March which will pay some phat commission checks until next summer so I'm not really looking to leave unless they stop paying those checks.
Also this brings into focus some advice I've seen multiple times about how your loyalty(not sure if thats the right word) should be to your bosses/co-workers and not to the company. As the great Darcy Sears from Varsity Blues once said "Things Change Mox"
your loyalty should be to whoever's paying you the most money/making you happiest. eff your bosses and coworkers (and current company) tbh
(granted good people can factor into the happiness equation but I've been mumped by good bosses before, assume they will always put themselves ahead of you)
Valid point but I would trust 2 of the 3 people that left not to eff me....the point I was trying to get across was that with them in charge I felt confident about the direction of the company, now...not so much.
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I'm in sales and landed a whale back in March which will pay some phat commission checks until next summer so I'm not really looking to leave unless they stop paying those checks.
Also this brings into focus some advice I've seen multiple times about how your loyalty(not sure if thats the right word) should be to your bosses/co-workers and not to the company. As the great Darcy Sears from Varsity Blues once said "Things Change Mox"
your loyalty should be to whoever's paying you the most money/making you happiest. eff your bosses and coworkers (and current company) tbh
(granted good people can factor into the happiness equation but I've been mumped by good bosses before, assume they will always put themselves ahead of you)
Valid point but I would trust 2 of the 3 people that left not to eff me....the point I was trying to get across was that with them in charge I felt confident about the direction of the company, now...not so much.
that makes sense. I'd hear the managing director out. (is this a euro company or what)
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I've always held the the view that I will be as loyal to my employer as my employer is to me. Which is hardly at all. But I feel like my working life improved immensely when I started thinking of my employer as less of a partner and more of an adversary.
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I’m pretty loyal to my employer but they have earned that loyalty
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I've always held the the view that I will be as loyal to my employer as my employer is to me. Which is hardly at all. But I feel like my working life improved immensely when I started thinking of my employer as less of a partner and more of an adversary.
That seems weird to me, could you elaborate? I work for a small company so it's hard for me to think that way
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I've always held the the view that I will be as loyal to my employer as my employer is to me. Which is hardly at all. But I feel like my working life improved immensely when I started thinking of my employer as less of a partner and more of an adversary.
That seems weird to me, could you elaborate? I work for a small company so it's hard for me to think that way
My last two employers have been small businesses. I don't mean not to be friendly or work well with anyone. Much better to get along well with everyone! I mean don't let yourself get taken advantage of. Get all the money you can out of them. Don't feel obligated to work after hours. Or obligated to work too hard for them. Kinda be your own union, I guess. But nicely!
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I’m pretty loyal to my employer but they have earned that loyalty.
same.
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I've always held the the view that I will be as loyal to my employer as my employer is to me. Which is hardly at all. But I feel like my working life improved immensely when I started thinking of my employer as less of a partner and more of an adversary.
That seems weird to me, could you elaborate? I work for a small company so it's hard for me to think that way
My last two employers have been small businesses. I don't mean not to be friendly or work well with anyone. Much better to get along well with everyone! I mean don't let yourself get taken advantage of. Get all the money you can out of them. Don't feel obligated to work after hours. Or obligated to work too hard for them. Kinda be your own union, I guess. But nicely!
yeah. Basically, be loyal to yourself because the company will drop you like a bad habit. Maximize your earnings/personal growth/happiness at the expense of the company every time. Obviously there's a bit of a balance in that you can't completely eff them over but nothing wrong with taking an afternoon nap when you WFH if everyone's satisfied
and obviously if you work for a weird euro golden goose company you probably won't find many better deals everywhere so you end up in a rare case where companies maximize your earnings/personal growth/happiness and everyone's loyal to everyone
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I don’t think I’ve held a job in my life for less than like 1-2 years, but I’ve never considered myself loyal. More of a combo of lazy + fairly certain there are not better options elsewhere.
I’m also a believer in building “good will” equity that gives you a lot more flexibility to call your own shots when you’ve been around for a while.
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I'm in sales and landed a whale back in March which will pay some phat commission checks until next summer so I'm not really looking to leave unless they stop paying those checks.
Also this brings into focus some advice I've seen multiple times about how your loyalty(not sure if thats the right word) should be to your bosses/co-workers and not to the company. As the great Darcy Sears from Varsity Blues once said "Things Change Mox"
your loyalty should be to whoever's paying you the most money/making you happiest. eff your bosses and coworkers (and current company) tbh
(granted good people can factor into the happiness equation but I've been mumped by good bosses before, assume they will always put themselves ahead of you)
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I don’t think I’ve held a job in my life for less than like 1-2 years, but I’ve never considered myself loyal. More of a combo of lazy + fairly certain there are not better options elsewhere.
I’m also a believer in building “good will” equity that gives you a lot more flexibility to call your own shots when you’ve been around for a while.
I generally feel this way. I do in general like my employer, and there are a lot of great people and decent to good bosses. I though definitely feel like though any job I jump to would not be significantly better or worse than this one (cause in general unless I make a huge career change, they are all going to be more or less similar, so why bother).
I am also though under no illusions about how my company operates when it comes to you. They will stick with you, but only to a point, and they will not hesitate to ask more and more out of you with not much extra in return. I don't need them to ride or die with me, just I know there is more expectation of loyalty from the company from you than they are willing to give in return. You sacrifice, they don't.
I def get michigancat on just be loyal to yourself, that is the better way.
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I’ve seen too many people axed when someone, usually above their direct report, decides people have to go. Factor in your bosses power in the organization into your loyalty to them/your job.
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hell yeah folks
https://twitter.com/pearkes/status/1410971311405424641
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Good stuff!
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Got a bonus today, just because. Boss said he really appreciated my kick ass efforts lately and threw some $ at me today. #Blessed :kstategrad: :gocho:
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We just moved to unlimited PTO as long as you're doing your job. I know this is popular at software companies and has been successful. Any of you have experience with it? The only thing that's sucked at my job is our benefits, so this is a huge win for wacky today.
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It's so they don't have to pay out any saved up pto when they can your ass
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We just moved to unlimited PTO as long as you're doing your job. I know this is popular at software companies and has been successful. Any of you have experience with it? The only thing that's sucked at my job is our benefits, so this is a huge win for wacky today.
Unlimited PTO is generally complete bullshit, especially if you don't have a clear backup for your job (which is common in most companies that offer unlimited PTO). There are a few people that abuse it, but most people end up taking less time off than if they had guaranteed PTO + they can't get paid out for days when they leave the company.
That said, my #1 recommendation is to go to weekday day MLB games on like Wednesday or Thursdays. So much fun and something I would never do if I had to take a real vacation day.
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Yep, or if you were able to use comp time for working extra hours while earning actual PTO before, now it's moot because comp time is no different than unlimited PTO.
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I've been in talks about moving to a new company and they have unlimited pto. It's one of the things I'm a bit apprehensive of because I prefer defined boundaries. The company, obviously, is trying to sell it as a perk because I mentioned that I want to maximize time for personal travel.
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I've been in talks about moving to a new company and they have unlimited pto. It's one of the things I'm a bit apprehensive of because I prefer defined boundaries. The company, obviously, is trying to sell it as a perk because I mentioned that I want to maximize time for personal travel.
push them for what it really means. 3 weeks? 4 weeks? 6 weeks? expectations during PTO? for me it's been "around 4 weeks" but I doubt I've ever taken that much unless you add up random afternoons or sick days.
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It's so they don't have to pay out any saved up pto when they can your ass
Yeah, a lot of ppl who are shitty at their jobs seemed really concerned about this.
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We just moved to unlimited PTO as long as you're doing your job. I know this is popular at software companies and has been successful. Any of you have experience with it? The only thing that's sucked at my job is our benefits, so this is a huge win for wacky today.
Unlimited PTO is generally complete bullshit, especially if you don't have a clear backup for your job (which is common in most companies that offer unlimited PTO). There are a few people that abuse it, but most people end up taking less time off than if they had guaranteed PTO + they can't get paid out for days when they leave the company.
That said, my #1 recommendation is to go to weekday day MLB games on like Wednesday or Thursdays. So much fun and something I would never do if I had to take a real vacation day.
:thumbs: Sounds amaze!
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I've had like 2 and half weeks at this spot and it's been annoying, because it usually means I'm working a few days from said resort, when I'm there with the fam, trying to get away. I think I'm ok with this, since they've been flying me up for exec meetings recently and obviously have a plan for me moving forward. I could see how this might suck in my 20's and I had no motivation of being successful.
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NE apparently had some paid time off case a couple years ago and now all NE employees for my company cash out PTO at the end of each year after rolling 5. so I get like an absolute truckload of PTO because I've worked here a long time and they are generous with it to begin with because they are euros. I think I currently get 39 days plus the usual holidays (including juneteenth and mlk) and one "floater" that I don't understand but I believe is to compensate for other non-traditional religious holidays. I got a massive paycheck at the end of the year for like 10 days of PTO that I cashed out after rolling 5. it rules but it also sucks because now instead of just taking PTO whenever I want I have to think about the cost of doing so because I'd otherwise get paid for that. I wish it was back to where it was where I had to use it or lose it. we also have a weird euro culture that you get shamed if you accumulate too much PTO and don't take time off.
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Interesting.
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Wacky, do not allow yourself to be deceived that "unlimited vacation" is a good thing for you as an employee. Listen to what people are telling you.
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Wacky, do not allow yourself to be deceived that "unlimited vacation" is a good thing for you as an employee. Listen to what people are telling you.
nah we're all just lazy
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Teachers have a pretty good system in the sense that we only work like 190 days a year but bad in the sense that you can’t really miss any of those days with any ease at all and also most districts use accumulated PTO days as a retirement benefit to either pay out or as a way to stay on healthcare plan as a bridge to Medicare. Both are pretty unfair if you leave before retirement (as many districts don’t pay out unused days for just quitting) and sick days etc are all over the map. Obviously for women that took FMLA they had to burn their sick days for each pregnancy and are even more adversely affected.
Unfortunately the current plan in Congress, even if it passes, is a terrible fix because it just takes all the worst parts about our for profit health insurance industry and uses those to construct a cumbersome and inefficient system for adding paid leave.
I hate this crap.
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Wacky, do not allow yourself to be deceived that "unlimited vacation" is a good thing for you as an employee. Listen to what people are telling you.
nah we're all just lazy
No way, man. I'm just happy I can unplug for a week off now, from time to time, without ZERO CONSEQUENCES!
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Wacky, do not allow yourself to be deceived that "unlimited vacation" is a good thing for you as an employee. Listen to what people are telling you.
nah we're all just lazy
No way, man. I'm just happy I can unplug for a week off now from time to time without ZERO CONSEQUENCES.
If true, good for you. But I have "unlimited vacation," and I wasn't able to take any "vacation" time until three years into my job. I can't imagine actually being able to take a week off here, a week off there, with ZERO CONSEQUENCES.
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It's so they don't have to pay out any saved up pto when they can your ass
Yeah, a lot of ppl who are shitty at their jobs seemed really concerned about this.
People are much more likely to quit their job than they are to be fired.
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It's so they don't have to pay out any saved up pto when they can your ass
Yeah, a lot of ppl who are shitty at their jobs seemed really concerned about this.
People are much more likely to quit their job than they are to be fired.
Now a days, for sure.
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Wacky, do not allow yourself to be deceived that "unlimited vacation" is a good thing for you as an employee. Listen to what people are telling you.
nah we're all just lazy
No way, man. I'm just happy I can unplug for a week off now from time to time without ZERO CONSEQUENCES.
If true, good for you. But I have "unlimited vacation," and I wasn't able to take any "vacation" time until three years into my job. I can't imagine actually being able to take a week off here, a week off there, with ZERO CONSEQUENCES.
yeah, you'll be more likely to face consequences completely unplugging during "unlimited PTO" than you would with traditional PTO. Unlimited PTO is looked at as "fake" to many employers. Like can you really turn off when it's unlimited?
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Wacky, do not allow yourself to be deceived that "unlimited vacation" is a good thing for you as an employee. Listen to what people are telling you.
nah we're all just lazy
No way, man. I'm just happy I can unplug for a week off now from time to time without ZERO CONSEQUENCES.
If true, good for you. But I have "unlimited vacation," and I wasn't able to take any "vacation" time until three years into my job. I can't imagine actually being able to take a week off here, a week off there, with ZERO CONSEQUENCES.
I haven't used PTO since July I believe. My wife had a vacation freeze at work due to a project they had. I believe I had 4 days left for the year and I was going to use 3 of those Thanksgiving week for our trip to Florida and save a day for around the holidays. I was going to work that Monday down there. Now I put in a PTO day for that Monday and it got accepted right away and my boss said, "well deserved!". I'm definitely not going to take advantage of it. We usually have to put in our requests weeks in advance anyways.
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I'm a finalist for an executive director job and if I get it I will put an unlimited pto plan in place but I will give the employees the option to grandfather themselves in to the plan. I think unlimited pto is a great perk if you didn't already spend years building up pto. Luckily this organization already has a cap on the amount of pto that can be carried over and paid out.
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Yeah, they weren't letting us carry over PTO days or sick time either. They needed to fix something here. I believe this is just a start.
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I've lost a lot of candidates due to our shitty benefits and I think they're trying to show initiative of changes coming. They also talked about a 1% matching 401K for 2022, but dropped the ball there. 1/2 I guess isn't bad.
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https://twitter.com/TheBenRyan/status/1451577106111008771?s=20
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I'm a finalist for an executive director job and if I get it I will put an unlimited pto plan in place but I will give the employees the option to grandfather themselves in to the plan. I think unlimited pto is a great perk if you didn't already spend years building up pto. Luckily this organization already has a cap on the amount of pto that can be carried over and paid out.
well, you shouldn't have to spend years building up PTO either
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I've lost a lot of candidates due to our shitty benefits and I think they're trying to show initiative of changes coming. They also talked about a 1% matching 401K for 2022, but dropped the ball there. 1/2 I guess isn't bad.
Do they not currently match any of your 401k contributions?!
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No, it blows.
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I'm a finalist for an executive director job and if I get it I will put an unlimited pto plan in place but I will give the employees the option to grandfather themselves in to the plan. I think unlimited pto is a great perk if you didn't already spend years building up pto. Luckily this organization already has a cap on the amount of pto that can be carried over and paid out.
well, you shouldn't have to spend years building up PTO either
That isn't the point. Even at 1 year employed losing four weeks of a pto payout isn't fair if you've contractually earned it already.
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I believe some states mandate that your unused PTO is rolled over into the next year. At least that is how it worked in CA when I lived there. People had a bank of vacation days. Was a sweet deal when they retired. Probably why a lot of companies moved to the 'no PTO just take days off when you want' model. No obligation to pay anything upon retirement or termination.
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"Unlimited PTO" isn't really unlimited. They just choose to not tell you what the limit is, and you don't get any credit for falling under that limit.
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"Unlimited PTO" isn't really unlimited. They just choose to not tell you what the limit is, and you don't get any credit for falling under that limit.
Great way to put it
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Clams texted me that all of you guys were right with your analysis today via text and this was my response. I need to see it on paper, because they’re still keeping track of our “PTO bank”, so I’m confused:
“Sigh. I’ll look into it. Honestly, they didn’t sound 100% like they knew what they were talking about when they rolled it out on the call this morning 🤣. So I’ll wait and see what it looks like on paper.”
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Papa 'Clams is always good for good advice :thumbs:
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And if you need a facial in the KC area, he can hook you up.
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My place only offers PTO, no sick days or anything else.
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Took today off to bike with my brother which was incred (xpost October thread)
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I started a new job in August with "unlimited PTO" and rolled my eyes at it, definitely a ploy to make sure they don't have to pay out X weeks when people quit/retire/get fired...my goal is to make sure I take at least the 3 weeks a year I had at my old job.
Also hold your horses for this, no one can take PTO in December . It's our busiest month of the year (financial services company, FY year end etc/ large amount of our revenue comes in Dec) but then they make everyone take a week off during January.
So I'll be chasing birds the second week of January or maybe going to a beach, haven't decided yet.
From talking with people who have been here a while they are pretty good with approving PTO the rest of the time so we will see.
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I'm a finalist for an executive director job and if I get it I will put an unlimited pto plan in place but I will give the employees the option to grandfather themselves in to the plan. I think unlimited pto is a great perk if you didn't already spend years building up pto. Luckily this organization already has a cap on the amount of pto that can be carried over and paid out.
Hope this means you can move south again.
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I started a new job in August with "unlimited PTO" and rolled my eyes at it, definitely a ploy to make sure they don't have to pay out X weeks when people quit/retire/get fired...my goal is to make sure I take at least the 3 weeks a year I had at my old job.
Also hold your horses for this, no one can take PTO in December . It's our busiest month of the year (financial services company, FY year end etc/ large amount of our revenue comes in Dec) but then they make everyone take a week off during January.
So I'll be chasing birds the second week of January or maybe going to a beach, haven't decided yet.
From talking with people who have been here a while they are pretty good with approving PTO the rest of the time so we will see.
I’m pretty tight with my boss and I know I’m one of the main reasons for this new implementation, because I bitched to him about how bad our benefits are. He heard me and addressed it & I feel I have to be on board with it at this point. He literally singled me out on the call this morning in front of 100 colleagues of why this movement is important for our company and families, etc. I think the new movement was meant in the best intentions, but there was a 1,000 questions afterwards, when they announced it and they weren’t ready to answer them. Hopefully it will be clearer soon.
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I honestly cannot imagine unlimited PTO being considered a benefit.
It is absolutely a boundaries issue to me: “hey hope you’re enjoying your vacation, obviously take all the time you want as long as your work is getting done. Speaking of, we’re you able to do X, Y, Z? Something came up and we need that ASAP now.”
I recently took a week off just cause and no one bugged me until literally the day the notification fell off their calendars: Saturday morning.
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When my boss is out, I cover for him and vice versa. We’re pretty great about not bugging the crap out of each other when we’re away on vacay, unless he’s asking for some family pics. Last week he was in Boston for his anniversary and I asked for a pic of the green monster and the bastard actually got a tour of Fenway and sent me a crap ton. It was great!
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I'm a finalist for an executive director job and if I get it I will put an unlimited pto plan in place but I will give the employees the option to grandfather themselves in to the plan. I think unlimited pto is a great perk if you didn't already spend years building up pto. Luckily this organization already has a cap on the amount of pto that can be carried over and paid out.
Hope this means you can move south again.
Sticking my happy ass right here, if I take the position it's in River Bend though. We really gotta do lunch, I'm not available at all next week, but the week of the 1st we gotta make it happen. I want to go to Zora.
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"Unlimited PTO" isn't really unlimited. They just choose to not tell you what the limit is, and you don't get any credit for falling under that limit.
No. I had unlimited PTO for a long time. It all depends on who your boss is. Obviously you can't actually take 6 months of vacation per year.
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"Unlimited PTO" isn't really unlimited. They just choose to not tell you what the limit is, and you don't get any credit for falling under that limit.
No. I had unlimited PTO for a long time. It all depends on who your boss is. Obviously you can't actually take 6 months of vacation per year.
This is what I was thinking. Who’s your boss and have far have you gone with him before getting a new one.
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In my experience, unlimited PTO is a con, but I work in consulting, where billable hours matter...kinda like at a law firm, accounting firm, or engineering firm. My company had a regular PTO plan, and when they switched they paid us out for our current PTO balances, then switched everyone over to "unlimited" and all new hires then got the "unlimited." Which is to say you get nothing of any monetary value. IMO, our company culture when we had fixed PTO was much more conducive to taking vacation or time off. We had a "use it or lose it" system after X amount of hours, and it was widely accepted that people needed to make sure and take time off to maximize that benefit and not lose it.
So now it's really about whether you can hit your billable hours targets for the year. If you aren't on track to hit your billable hours targets (even through no fault of your own, like not being staffed on good gigs) then you better not take PTO unless you are cool with your raise and bonus being compromised.
But, it's hilarious how the campus hires are like "I really love how this firm has unlimited PTO!" LOL. :lol:
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Yes, big con.
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I can see a new grad who gets no more than 1 week in year 1 and no more than 2 weeks until after year 5 could see it as a very real benefit. And they might be right! but again, hard to know, which is part of the con
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I can see a new grad who gets no more than 1 week in year 1 and no more than 2 weeks until after year 5 could see it as a very real benefit. And they might be right! but again, hard to know, which is part of the con
Yep. If you work for a firm that focuses on billable hours, and are in the rare situation where as a know-nothing new college grad you can add enough value to rack up a ton of hours early in the year, then you could theoretically have a super fun last quarter taking time off....assuming they don't get staffed immediately on yet another gig, which is probable if you are valuable enough to have been highly billable on your last one. :fatty:
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To sum up, the "unlimited PTO" seems to be most effective for people who want to do barely enough to not get fired, and not care about promotions and such. It rewards those folks most.
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In my experience being at a place where billable is the thing, PTO, unlimited or set at a cap like we are has been a lollers benefit no matter which way you take it.
What's the point of being given time off if you are always too busy so it's hard to even take it, if you do take it you are constantly being pinged for crap while trying to throw you phone into the nearest body of water out of frustration for being pinged, and also if you do take it the amount of extra work you worked over the *pick a time frame* means you aren't coming close to ever being rested or ready to do anything, you're in a hole you can't even come out of.
PTO is the biggest sham in the modern workplace it's not even close. And it is probably the one thing that gets me more up in arms about work than anything else.
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Sounds like a lot of you guys are too successful for your own good. I just took a week off and didn't have a single communication from my company. Sometimes being a nobody has its benefits :gocho:
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Billable hours are just as big of a scam as unlimited pto
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Got promoted today, friends. I’ve came a long way in the last 7 years. I just wanted to thank @michigancat for help grooming me and my resume to get into this new field after meeting him IRL and say this is huge for my family and friends. Go cats and go friends and Happy Holidays! :cheers:
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Got promoted today, friends. I’ve came a long way in the last 7 years. I just wanted to thank @michigancat for help grooming me and my resume to get into this new field after meeting him IRL and say this is huge for my family and friends. Go cats and go friends and Happy Holidays! :cheers:
Congrats irl friend. Awesome work.
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Thanks, bud! Means a lot!
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Nice work! Guess when you’re on LinkedIn 24/7/366 like mich you better know the nuances
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honest to god there are so many tremendously talented people on this tiny old ass BBS that anyone who irl wants advice on life or career stuff you can find it here, if you come looking in good faith.
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Got promoted today, friends. I’ve came a long way in the last 7 years. I just wanted to thank @michigancat for help grooming me and my resume to get into this new field after meeting him IRL and say this is huge for my family and friends. Go cats and go friends and Happy Holidays! :cheers:
nice, but it was all you my friend!
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honest to god there are so many tremendously talented people on this tiny old ass BBS that anyone who irl wants advice on life or career stuff you can find it here, if you come looking in good faith.
It's very true!
Got promoted today, friends. I’ve came a long way in the last 7 years. I just wanted to thank @michigancat for help grooming me and my resume to get into this new field after meeting him IRL and say this is huge for my family and friends. Go cats and go friends and Happy Holidays! :cheers:
nice, but it was all you my friend!
Thank you! :combofan:
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Congratulations 420seriouscat69
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Promotions right before Christmas are the tits! Nice job buddy.
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Make all the dentists your bitch now wackster
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Thanks, friends! And promos right before Christmas is the tits for sure! I can't get this grin off my stupid face.
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great job wacks
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I've only had the joy of giving one person a promotion right before end of year and I still remember how fun it was!
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Congrats wacks.
I'm considering looking myself. Rumor that my employer is for sale and I'm not interested in working for the two possible buyers.
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Congrats wacks.
I'm considering looking myself. Rumor that my employer is for sale and I'm not interested in working for the two possible buyers.
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might as well wait it out! if you have unvested shares sometimes they'll get vested as part of the sale
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michigancat?
more like jimcramercat
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Congrats wacks.
I'm considering looking myself. Rumor that my employer is for sale and I'm not interested in working for the two possible buyers.
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might as well wait it out! if you have unvested shares sometimes they'll get vested as part of the sale
We fully vest immediately in 401K. I will likely wait to see if it happens. I'm pretty comfortable with my role and income. Will still put out the feelers and have a few discreet conversations.
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Congrats Wacky!
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Congrats wacks.
I'm considering looking myself. Rumor that my employer is for sale and I'm not interested in working for the two possible buyers.
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might as well wait it out! if you have unvested shares sometimes they'll get vested as part of the sale
We fully vest immediately in 401K. I will likely wait to see if it happens. I'm pretty comfortable with my role and income. Will still put out the feelers and have a few discreet conversations.
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that sounds like a good plan
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Mich cat how is my plan of working 20-24 more years and then taking my pension?
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Mich cat how is my plan of working 20-24 more years and then taking my pension?
You left out the keystone of your plan…..
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Oh yeah crypto gains
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I need crypto to do half as well as it did previous five years for the next five years. Would be oh so nice.
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I got a little bit of a promotion. One of the perks is unlimited PTO. Made me think of this thread.
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I got a little bit of a promotion. One of the perks is unlimited PTO. Made me think of this thread.
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oh no
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I got a little bit of a promotion. One of the perks is unlimited PTO. Made me think of this thread.
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How much paid do you have now?
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I only had 2 weeks with the old position.
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ok, carry on
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Yeah unlimited PTO is a scam in general, but I think a lot of the big boys offer tons of benefits where you are limited only by your shame. Especially in this labor market my advice to anyone is keep doing a kickass job and take full advantage of your benefits like “unlimited PTO” without reservation.
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I’ve had unlimited PTO for years and have hardly taken any time off.
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I’ve had unlimited PTO for years and have hardly taken any time off.
Yeah, no crap
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I’ve had unlimited PTO for years and have hardly taken any time off.
Same. At this job I knew the owners before. I had 5 weeks at my previous job. When they were trying to hire me my wife told one of the owners I needed to have a lot of vacation. He just laughed & said I’d get unlimited because he knew I wouldn’t use it.
Apparently the accounting manager made them put in something so they put in 4 weeks. I never turned anything in. My office is next to hers. She kept track & I didn’t use half of it.
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Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
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Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
That's the beauty of unlimited vacation
(If you're an employer)
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2 weeks sounds awful, hopefully our guy hamburgular rectifies that in 2022.
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I’ve had unlimited PTO for years and have hardly taken any time off.
Yeah, no crap
Pfft. Hello Mr. Disney four times a year.
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Known capitalist republic of independent states and non-EU member Switzerland REQUIRES all employees (public and private) to take 5 weeks off a year. That would be a good law.
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Yea that’s great.
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Every once in awhile I think about Keynes predicting a 15 hour work week by 2030 and try to push it out of my mind before I self harm.
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Honestly mandatory vacation would also be a great business policy. I can see a perk like that potentially helping with productivity but definitely helping as a recruiting & retention tool.
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Honestly would also be a great business policy. I can see a perk like that potentially helping with productivity but definitely helping as a recruiting & retention tool.
It's an interesting thought, but get back to work. Those billable hours aren't going to bill themselves, are they?
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a big startup in SF just started a 4 day work week.
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-businesses/article/startup-implements-four-day-workweek-16751826.php
you see it quite a bit in manufacturing but generally not the corporate world. I had an internship that was a four day week and I rough ridin' loved it
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4x8 or 4x10? I've worked 4x10 and it's preferable to 5x8 imo, 4x8 would be like the greatest thing ever.
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I feel like WFH killed even the 5 day work week for most white collar jobs. I wouldn’t trust it.
Fun fact: we tried “summer Fridays” last year at my work (Fridays off all month of August I think) and it didn’t make a bit of difference in people’s work schedules or satisfaction.
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We're officially 5x8. I rarely work that much. Get my crap done and answer emails as necessary. WFH 'rona policy has been huge for me. Nobody even wonders why I'm not in the office.
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we have too many fires to put out to just have nobody available on fridays
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Work Tuesday-Fri then
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also i have 5 weeks and that feels about right. i usually take a 2-week VQ, another week long trip here or there, and some rando days for 3-day weekends. most people at my work don't use even that many
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Work Tuesday-Fri then
it's not friday-specific
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Unlimited PTO has been pretty badass so far. Can't complain. I might do some more Monday golf tournaments this year with the guys.
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I have an exorbitant amount of PTO and NE passed some law that requires my employer to pay it out each year (other than 5 days I can roll) if I don't use it all.
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4x8 or 4x10? I've worked 4x10 and it's preferable to 5x8 imo, 4x8 would be like the greatest thing ever.
My experience was 4x10's. I imagine a startup would be similar but without set hours
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NE passed some law that requires my employer to pay it out each year (other than 5 days I can roll) if I don't use it all.
i wonder if MO passed something similar because my company's policy just changed to this. previously you could roll over 5 days but you lost whatever you didn't use over that
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MO and NE running laps around KS per usual
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companies don’t like carrying it on their balance sheet
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I have an exorbitant amount of PTO and NE passed some law that requires my employer to pay it out each year (other than 5 days I can roll) if I don't use it all.
No PTO for us, just a bunch of vacation and some personal days. Vacation time goes up based on years worked. I don't even know how much I get, but its plenty. We used to be able to carry over whatever we wanted but they decided to cut it at like 2 or 3 weeks. That year we got paid out for everything above the limit was amaze.
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I just picked up a 4th week of paid vacation 4 years earlier than company policy. I use the majority of my vacation time for my farming habit. Now I'm thinking I'll have to buy more farm ground.
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I get 3 weeks that accrues and never expires. I like to keep a minimum of a week banked but like 2020 I barely used any time and had shitloads saved up. Late 2021/2022 has been a vacation/day off bonanza.
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4x8 or 4x10? I've worked 4x10 and it's preferable to 5x8 imo, 4x8 would be like the greatest thing ever.
4x10s is far better than 5x8s. back when i was on salary we had a project for a while where we did 7 days every two weeks. that was really nice.
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That's amazing
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Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
Because they bought a place that was a mess, put me in charge of operations with very little oversight & I effectively have equity.
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Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
Because they bought a place that was a mess, put me in charge of operations with very little oversight & I effectively have equity.
What is effective equity, if you don't mind me asking?
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Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
Because they bought a place that was a mess, put me in charge of operations with very little oversight & I effectively have equity.
Sounds terrible, hopefully you get to make up for it this year with some nice vacations.
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Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
Because they bought a place that was a mess, put me in charge of operations with very little oversight & I effectively have equity.
What is effective equity, if you don't mind me asking?
I’ll have ownership 5 years. There’s a free different paths for me to get it, depending on how well the company does & what I want to execute. There’s also paths to ownership in sister businesses I’ve started to invest in with cross pollinated investors.
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Why did you only take two weeks off when you had four?
Because they bought a place that was a mess, put me in charge of operations with very little oversight & I effectively have equity.
What is effective equity, if you don't mind me asking?
There’s also paths to ownership in sister businesses I’ve started to invest in with cross pollinated investors.
Not the Bees, I hope?
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I'm leaving education administration this week, Friday is my last day, and I couldn't be happier. I am going back to the summer camp industry. I have to set up a home office because I will be working from home September-May but at camp during the late spring and summer. Running a nonprofit camp is what brought me to Iowa. I will not be running two for profit camps that are a part of a corporation, I report to the corporate CEO. Time for a new adventure, hopefully the last one. I am too damn old to keep switching jobs.
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I'm leaving education administration this week, Friday is my last day, and I couldn't be happier. I am going back to the summer camp industry. I have to set up a home office because I will be working from home September-May but at camp during the late spring and summer. Running a nonprofit camp is what brought me to Iowa. I will not be running two for profit camps that are a part of a corporation, I report to the corporate CEO. Time for a new adventure, hopefully the last one. I am too damn old to keep switching jobs.
Now you can grift magas by writing a tell all about how education was indoctrinating kids to communism so you left.
Sell books and charge for speaking etc.
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I want a different job. I make great money but this job is boring as eff. Same crap. Every month. Rinse and repeat. I need something less repetitive.
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Grats MIR, sounds like a great gig.
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Every once in awhile I think about Keynes predicting a 15 hour work week by 2030 and try to push it out of my mind before I self harm.
:lol: :cry: :lol:
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I want a different job. I make great money but this job is boring as eff. Same crap. Every month. Rinse and repeat. I need something less repetitive.
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Does the opportunity for the variety you want exist in your company or industry?
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congratulations, mir.
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sounds like a good move MIR, congrats and good luck
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I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
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I also want a different job but I would settle for being bored doing my job at home. My company is anti-wfh tho so probably will just have to find a different job.
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I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
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I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
Well I’ve already done one of those things.
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I want a different job. I make great money but this job is boring as eff. Same crap. Every month. Rinse and repeat. I need something less repetitive.
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Small-ish company for my level. So probably have to look elsewhere. I'll keep cashing checks and looking. Might contact an industry headhunter or enable my job search on LI.
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I want a different job. I make great money but this job is boring as eff. Same crap. Every month. Rinse and repeat. I need something less repetitive.
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Does the opportunity for the variety you want exist in your company or industry?
Small-ish company for my level. So probably have to look elsewhere. I'll keep cashing checks and looking. Might contact an industry headhunter or enable my job search on LI.
could you stay where you are and find the options you're looking for? would you move, maybe after you're an empty nester?
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I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
my neighbor is a retired firefighter and he works for big construction companies as like a safety inspector or OSHAA compliance guy or something. He's quit like 3 times and then they offer more money to come back and work.
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I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
Well I’ve already done one of those things.
Oh that’s right I forgot lol, is there an adjacent industry to the FD that is a lot more lucrative in private sector? Like selling fire equipment to the department or doing trainings?
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I know firefighters that work in burn test labs. Most of them are active and do it on days off but a few are retired. I imagine there aren't a ton of burn labs though.
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I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
Well I’ve already done one of those things.
Oh that’s right I forgot lol, is there an adjacent industry to the FD that is a lot more lucrative in private sector? Like selling fire equipment to the department or doing trainings?
I think if I left I would rather just get away from all things FD related. I'm pretty burnt out and can't really imagine myself selling fire apparatus or equipment. (I do know a lot of retirees that do those things though, seems like a decent part time gig)
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I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
Well I’ve already done one of those things.
Oh that’s right I forgot lol, is there an adjacent industry to the FD that is a lot more lucrative in private sector? Like selling fire equipment to the department or doing trainings?
I think if I left I would rather just get away from all things FD related. I'm pretty burnt out and can't really imagine myself selling fire apparatus or equipment. (I do know a lot of retirees that do those things though, seems like a decent part time gig)
heh
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flip to the other side of the business and be an arsonist or just a really clumsy fire starting guy
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I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
my neighbor is a retired firefighter and he works for big construction companies as like a safety inspector or OSHAA compliance guy or something. He's quit like 3 times and then they offer more money to come back and work.
I've definitely considered construction industry. Have also considered going to PA school, wouldn't be interested in emergency medicine but I could see myself being happy in a clinic or family practice type setting
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flip to the other side of the business and be an arsonist or just a really clumsy fire starting guy
man I'd be so great at this.
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Get into the ice business.
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flip to the other side of the business and be an arsonist or just a really clumsy fire starting guy
man I'd be so great at this.
gE was once looking to fill this position figuratively.
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Fire and Ice, Fire and Ice, every single day is fire and ice.
Based on my experience, fireplace repair people ought to be billionaires.
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Insurance subrogation. Quite lucrative. Easy AF. Busy in the winter when morons are burning down their houses with diy fireplaces and furnaces. Slow rest of the year.
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I've really been thinking about changing careers. I have about 2 years until I am vested in the state pension, so would be really dumb to leave before then. But that gives me enough time to go back to school in the meantime. Don't really know what I want to do though.
I think it’s mandatory that firefighters open up a brewery or flip real estate
Well I’ve already done one of those things.
Oh that’s right I forgot lol, is there an adjacent industry to the FD that is a lot more lucrative in private sector? Like selling fire equipment to the department or doing trainings?
I think if I left I would rather just get away from all things FD related. I'm pretty burnt out and can't really imagine myself selling fire apparatus or equipment. (I do know a lot of retirees that do those things though, seems like a decent part time gig)
I used to know a retired FD guy who would inspect and sign-off on fire extinguishers, etc. at businesses annually.
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I started texting with an old co-worker who used to post here about how F'd up our old company was. We both went there straight out of college in 2009 to a small 30-40ish people family run company and had no idea how F'd up it actually was because it was our first "real job". I'm meeting up with him for lunch later this week but I was just reminded of a WTF story that happened while I worked there.
One of the owners sons had dropped out/got kicked out of KU etc and was working for the company while he "went" to JUCO and lived at home...Also he couldn't drive because he had a dui...but he was close to my age so we were kind of work friends. This was around 2010'ish
One day he asked me if I wanted to buy his flat screen TV he was selling for $100 because he was getting a new one. This was a hell of a deal back in the day so I said sure and told him I'd give him a ride home after work to grab it (remember, he can't drive).
We leave work and head to his parents house (AKA my bosses) to grab the TV. On the way there he calls up his weed dealer to place an order with the money he is getting from selling the TV, whatever dude, I dont care. Then he tells me to stop by the liquor store by his house so he can grab some beer...whatever dude, I just want this TV for dirt cheap.
Finally we pull into his parents McMansion in south OP and he causally mentions...Alright, lets hurry up before my parents get home...I'm kind of shocked but I'm fully committed at this point.
We go down into the basement where his little brother (16ish?) is playing video games on this 32inch flatscreen and he just starts unplugging everything, says "GAME OVER", then hands it to me and says "You should probably leave before my parents get home"
:horrorsurprise:
I left the company a couple of months later and that guy still works there along with his little brother.
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Lmao
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lmao
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game over
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What's the issue? Sounds like a normal Tuesday to me.
(https://c.tenor.com/E3WCe-24PIsAAAAd/obama-why.gif)
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Holy crap. "Game over."
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:lol: :lol:
Lil Flip'd his ass
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Lil Flip'd his ass
Lol at "Lil flip'd his ass"
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:lol: :lol:
Lil Flip'd his ass
:lol:
That's the best story I've read on here in quite a while
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20% raise this morning. What is this life? I've definitely been through it lately at work and this was their way of rewarding me.
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That's awsome, grats wacks!!!
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Thanks, brother!
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So you're the reason baseball players are wanting more money! ha! Congrats man!
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Question for gE
During the hours you consider to be "at work", how much of your time is actually spent working?
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Between zero and
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Over an average month I'm probably at 5-10%
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I'd say 25-30%.
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Tomorrow feels like a zero day. And I’ll probably not even set foot in my office. Some days are sun up to sun down and pretty dang intense. But I like those days too, I like putting deals together (#dealmaster? many are saying it).
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I'd say about 50%. I really like what I do.
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My job is super boring but I'm rough ridin' great at it so I just do nothing for a long time then work a few hours for a few days and then go back to doing nothing. Definitely rarely go over 50% in a day. I really wish my industry was more remote friendly because I could easily chum1 this bitch.
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I had to lay someone off for the first time recently.
Granted the employee sucked but it still wasn't very much fun.
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Ugh, that's a tough thing to do :frown:
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https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1499350855908265992
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Softest generation, EVER!
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Softest generation, EVER!
Idk man, I've been getting some massive raises recently based largely on the fact that most of my peers don't like their jobs. Maybe this generation is actually smart and realizes that employers have a lot more cash to cough up to labor than they've been letting on.
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https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1499350855908265992
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Softest generation, EVER!
Idk man, I've been getting some massive raises recently based largely on the fact that most of my peers don't like their jobs. Maybe this generation is actually smart and realizes that employers have a lot more cash to cough up to labor than they've been letting on.
It's also alot easier to know what other people in your position/experience level make compared to 20 or so years ago.
Think you're underpaid? Just responded to a couple of Wackys that are jumping in your LinkedIn DMs and ask what the salary range is for that position.
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Yup! You can learn a lot. Especially if you go into the conversation with nothing to lose.
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My job is super boring but I'm rough ridin' great at it so I just do nothing for a long time then work a few hours for a few days and then go back to doing nothing. Definitely rarely go over 50% in a day. I really wish my industry was more remote friendly because I could easily chum1 this bitch.
This is the same for me. I do work remote though, but a lot of what I do has to be done after hours. So during actual work hours I don't really do much, and have considered taking on a second gig.
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Softest generation, EVER!
Idk man, I've been getting some massive raises recently based largely on the fact that most of my peers don't like their jobs. Maybe this generation is actually smart and realizes that employers have a lot more cash to cough up to labor than they've been letting on.
It's also alot easier to know what other people in your position/experience level make compared to 20 or so years ago.
Think you're underpaid? Just responded to a couple of Wackys that are jumping in your LinkedIn DMs and ask what the salary range is for that position.
I really need to set up a LinkedIn. I have been passively looking for a new job for about a year and about a month ago I decided it was time to leave so now I'm actively looking.
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I live on indeed daily. Hope you're on their too. Probably how I hire over half of my candidates.
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Yes, that's the only place I've looked so far. Had an interview last week and another tomorrow.
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:thumbs:
I used Linkedin a lot at my old job. Not so much anymore, but I have way too many resources to know what to do with these days. It's a good problem to have.
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Man, I'm not complaining, because what my company has done for me lately is amazing. Just something I wanted to reflect on.
Why are people in the Northeast such cocksuckers to deal with? Where did their sense of bad person entitlement come from? Thanks, I'll hang-up and listen off the air.
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been a while since I seen the ole cocksuckers used on a BBS. exciting.
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Man, I'm not complaining, because what my company has done for me lately is amazing. Just something I wanted to reflect on.
Why are people in the Northeast such cocksuckers to deal with? Where did their sense of bad person entitlement come from? Thanks, I'll hang-up and listen off the air.
probably because they have to deal with assholes from San Francisco moving to their area. :D
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been a while since I seen the ole cocksuckers used on a BBS. exciting.
Not gonna lie, It felt good to get it off my chest. :)
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It’s cultural. They don’t intend it to be rude or mean. And old southern ladies calling you “shugga” can basically mean cocksucker based on tiny little subtleties that our Midwest brains/ears can’t hear.
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It’s cultural. They don’t intend it to be rude or mean. And old southern ladies calling you “shugga” can basically mean cocksucker based on tiny little subtleties that our Midwest brains/ears can’t hear.
I think the stereotype is that east coast tells you what they're thinking to your face whereas Midwesterners are nice to your face but talk a lot of crap behind your back.
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Must be why they always lol at me for working remote in Kansas City.
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You would be a grumpy cocksucker too if you had to live with 100 people on top of your house and thousands more within a block.
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It’s cultural. They don’t intend it to be rude or mean. And old southern ladies calling you “shugga” can basically mean cocksucker based on tiny little subtleties that our Midwest brains/ears can’t hear.
I think the stereotype is that east coast tells you what they're thinking to your face whereas Midwesterners are nice to your face but talk a lot of crap behind your back.
That pretty much is it, it's like everyone thinking Canadians are nice when really they're hyper passive aggressive and you don't realize it.
FTR also wacky we got a vendor who's based out of NJ, and one of the guys is just the worst type of human being to deal with, regardless of being from NJ or not. They are in general more in your face.
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It’s cultural. They don’t intend it to be rude or mean. And old southern ladies calling you “shugga” can basically mean cocksucker based on tiny little subtleties that our Midwest brains/ears can’t hear.
I think the stereotype is that east coast tells you what they're thinking to your face whereas Midwesterners are nice to your face but talk a lot of crap behind your back.
That pretty much is it, it's like everyone thinking Canadians are nice when really they're hyper passive aggressive and you don't realize it.
FTR also wacky we got a vendor who's based out of NJ, and one of the guys is just the worst type of human being to deal with, regardless of being from NJ or not. They are in general more in your face.
The Canadians I have interacted with are all super nice.
(ben ji making a sales call to the northeast)
"Yeah, I know about your product and told the last guy to stop rough ridin' calling me so now I'm telling you the same thing"
(ben ji making a sales call to Canada)
"Oh ya, I remember your company. In fact we looked into it last year with one of your co-workers. It's a great product but we just don't have a need for it right now, ya know? Sure sure, follow up with me in 6 months."
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Also I had no idea the accent from Trailer Park Boys was a real accent until I called up some Canadian company in New Brunswick or something. It was all I could do to keep from bursting out laughing just thinking about Ricky and the boys up to no good.
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Must be why they always lol at me for working remote in Kansas City.
People in places with a high cost of living need to feel superior to justify living there.
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Must be why they always lol at me for working remote in Kansas City.
People in places with a high cost of living need to feel superior to justify living there.
Yeah, I usually wouldn't even bring up where I'm located. They just ask me where the hell I am, because my cell phone number starts off with 785...
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everyone I work with is really nice. :dunno:
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everyone I work with is really nice. :dunno:
Yikes! Mich is already in too deep and has lost his Midwestern roots. He thinks they're being nice to him. :frown:
JK
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I think there's a lotta truth here. And a lot applies to me personally.
https://twitter.com/girdley/status/1511316479106453511
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That all just seems like common sense
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Gen Xers sound just as whiney as boomers.
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everyone is just as whiney as everybody else
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Nothing on that list is whiney, what the heck?
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No one forgets about Gen X, because God knows they never shut up about it
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That all just seems like common sense
I'm not a manager of people, so it's not something I ever think about. But it's interesting to me that there are generation specific ways to motivate people at work.
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i would think individual personalities (which transcend generational divides) are a better way to tailor your people managing skills, but maybe it's helpful in these broad terms. (although the claim that millennials don't appreciate being delivered straight facts is a little lol)
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Yeah, I 100% do not understand what he meant by millenials want the "crap sandwich"
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i think he meant compliment sandwich
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Ah, ok
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I had to Google that. It means deliver bad news in a thoughtful, nice way.
I worked with quite a few millennials for a couple of years. They were all about crap sandwiches, being part of a team, and doing good in the world as part of their job. I admired all of these traits, but ultimately was not as into that stuff as much as they were.
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That is not at all how I've ever interpreted crap sandwich.
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As a manager, I deliver the poop sandwich quite often with my reps. The older folks on my team seem to need it more than the younger one's but not always. I don't think it depends on your generation, I've found where you're from is more of a variable.
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I haven't really noticed too much of difference between x'rs and 'lenials except 'lenials do expect and assert more work/life balance. The zoomer interns we are starting to get seem like they just want work to be a party, which is weird to me but whatever. That could just be part of being young.
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That is not at all how I've ever interpreted crap sandwich.
yeah to me a crap sandwich is just a terrible situation.
a compliment sandwich is where you deliver good news, followed by bad news, followed by good news.
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I haven't really noticed too much of difference between x'rs and 'lenials except 'lenials do expect and assert more work/life balance. The zoomer interns we are starting to get seem like they just want work to be a party, which is weird to me but whatever. That could just be part of being young.
Yeah zoomers are weird but I think a lot of that is a function of labor being so scarce right now. They feel like they can just bounce whenever it feels right and they’re not wrong.
I try to avoid managing people as much as I can. I hate it so much.
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I haven't really noticed too much of difference between x'rs and 'lenials except 'lenials do expect and assert more work/life balance. The zoomer interns we are starting to get seem like they just want work to be a party, which is weird to me but whatever. That could just be part of being young.
Yeah zoomers are weird but I think a lot of that is a function of labor being so scarce right now. They feel like they can just bounce whenever it feels right and they’re not wrong.
I try to avoid managing people as much as I can. I hate it so much.
Micromanaging is one of my least favorite things to do.
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That tweet guy should make one about zoomers. I feel like the second half of us X'ers are similar enough to Millennials that it feels easy enough to relate. The zoomers I have recently interviewed, hired, fired, etc are a conundrum. I literally had one of their moms call me recently about his job. He quit, then his mom called two weeks later and said he wanted to unquit but was too embarrassed to call me himself, so she wanted to try to work out the details and then for me to call him.
So, moms calling companies to help their kids communicate with the boss is a thing now.
Also, as of like 10 years ago, I used to hate when someone would deliver bad or unwanted news via text rather than calling. Now I am comfortable with that, as it seems to be the way most people are comfortable doing such things. However, now, the new way to deliver bad or unwanted news is just to never ever show up, text, or call ever again. Texting is now too hard to do, emotionally, so ghosting is the new thing.
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Those items apply to every generation
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I haven't really noticed too much of difference between x'rs and 'lenials except 'lenials do expect and assert more work/life balance. The zoomer interns we are starting to get seem like they just want work to be a party, which is weird to me but whatever. That could just be part of being young.
Yeah zoomers are weird but I think a lot of that is a function of labor being so scarce right now. They feel like they can just bounce whenever it feels right and they’re not wrong.
I try to avoid managing people as much as I can. I hate it so much.
Yeah, all our newbies are very um, unengaged imo for any sort of long time commitment, they definitely walk around with zero care about having a job or not and well due to the labor market I also can't blame them, and I think psychologically compared to them coming out from college where having any job was a minor miracle in the last 2000s/early 2010s makes me very :sdeek: at how cavalier they are with doing anything remotely difficult or inconvenient for them.
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That tweet guy should make one about zoomers. I feel like the second half of us X'ers are similar enough to Millennials that it feels easy enough to relate. The zoomers I have recently interviewed, hired, fired, etc are a conundrum. I literally had one of their moms call me recently about his job. He quit, then his mom called two weeks later and said he wanted to unquit but was too embarrassed to call me himself, so she wanted to try to work out the details and then for me to call him.
So, moms calling companies to help their kids communicate with the boss is a thing now.
Did the kid know his mom was calling or was she working independently on this?
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Those items apply to every generation
To the same degree, though? They obviously vary a great deal by culture. And American society hasn't remained constant over time.
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Those items apply to every generation
To the same degree, though? They obviously vary a great deal by culture. And American society hasn't remained constant over time.
Yeah pretty much. Maybe younger generations are more likely to have work friends but I just always assume people can choose to be friends with coworkers if they want. But like treating people as individuals? Sorry gen x, wanting that doesn't make you special.
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As a Millennial, I am giddy that we are approaching the point in time where we will start punching down at the younger generations. Also, "managing" people based on stereotypes and tropes is really dumb, imo. People who think they know individuals' personalities based on when they were born is also dumb.
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As a Millennial, I am giddy that we are approaching the point in time where we will start punching down at the younger generations. Also, "managing" people based on stereotypes and tropes is really dumb, imo. People who think they know individuals' personalities based on when they were born is also dumb.
Yes to all of this
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As a fellow millennial, I agree wholeheartedly. We just think alike!
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Those items apply to every generation
To the same degree, though? They obviously vary a great deal by culture. And American society hasn't remained constant over time.
Yeah pretty much. Maybe younger generations are more likely to have work friends but I just always assume people can choose to be friends with coworkers if they want. But like treating people as individuals? Sorry gen x, wanting that doesn't make you special.
My experience is very different. To such an extent that I wonder if any of the skeptics here have actually worked with many people outside their own generation.
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Those items apply to every generation
To the same degree, though? They obviously vary a great deal by culture. And American society hasn't remained constant over time.
Yeah pretty much. Maybe younger generations are more likely to have work friends but I just always assume people can choose to be friends with coworkers if they want. But like treating people as individuals? Sorry gen x, wanting that doesn't make you special.
My experience is very different. To such an extent that I wonder if any of the skeptics here have actually worked with many people outside their own generation.
You are a very special individual!
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As a fellow millennial, I agree wholeheartedly. We just think alike!
Ah, now I see the blind spot.
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That tweet guy should make one about zoomers. I feel like the second half of us X'ers are similar enough to Millennials that it feels easy enough to relate. The zoomers I have recently interviewed, hired, fired, etc are a conundrum. I literally had one of their moms call me recently about his job. He quit, then his mom called two weeks later and said he wanted to unquit but was too embarrassed to call me himself, so she wanted to try to work out the details and then for me to call him.
So, moms calling companies to help their kids communicate with the boss is a thing now.
Did the kid know his mom was calling or was she working independently on this?
She said he didn't know. He said he did. :dunno: Didn't rehire.
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I’ve definitely observed a generational divide in thinking and expectations. Just like anything cultural, there’s no one size fits all but having a baseline understanding helps immensely in knowing how to approach someone.
And to be clear, I’m not suggesting I’m actually good at bridging those divides, it just has become very apparent they exist in observing how the oldest and youngest at my work interact.
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That tweet guy should make one about zoomers. I feel like the second half of us X'ers are similar enough to Millennials that it feels easy enough to relate. The zoomers I have recently interviewed, hired, fired, etc are a conundrum. I literally had one of their moms call me recently about his job. He quit, then his mom called two weeks later and said he wanted to unquit but was too embarrassed to call me himself, so she wanted to try to work out the details and then for me to call him.
So, moms calling companies to help their kids communicate with the boss is a thing now.
Did the kid know his mom was calling or was she working independently on this?
She said he didn't know. He said he did. :dunno: Didn't rehire.
My wife just interviewed a recent college grad who asked if her dad could sit in on the (virtual) interview.
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I’ve definitely observed a generational divide in thinking and expectations. Just like anything cultural, there’s no one size fits all but having a baseline understanding helps immensely in knowing how to approach someone.
And to be clear, I’m not suggesting I’m actually good at bridging those divides, it just has become very apparent they exist in observing how the oldest and youngest at my work interact.
Is it truly a "generational divide," or is it more about power gradient and pecking order?
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Younger bosses don't care as much about how people dress as older bosses do.
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Younger bosses don't care as much about how people dress as older bosses do.
False.
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Younger bosses don't care as much about how people dress as older bosses do.
False.
Am only talking about myself though.
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I’ve definitely observed a generational divide in thinking and expectations. Just like anything cultural, there’s no one size fits all but having a baseline understanding helps immensely in knowing how to approach someone.
And to be clear, I’m not suggesting I’m actually good at bridging those divides, it just has become very apparent they exist in observing how the oldest and youngest at my work interact.
Is it truly a "generational divide," or is it more about power gradient and pecking order?
And just general experience?
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I don’t think so. We hire a new crop of associates every year and I don’t think there were any generalized complaints (from mid to upper levels) about the newest class until last year. If anything I’d assume the shift to remote dominated work has played a role, but even millennials (who aren’t impressed with the up and comers) are strongly resisting returning to the office.
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I don’t think so. We hire a new crop of associates every year and I don’t think there were any generalized complaints (from mid to upper levels) about the newest class until last year.
Huh I wonder what might have happened in the last year or two. Probably a new generation line started 22-23 years ago.
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Like, even if we establish by the numbers that boomers aren't actually more loyal or dedicated or whatever, the mere fact that they think they are could be a tool (and maybe not a good one) to use to manage them. Generally speaking, that is.
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I have employees from 60 yo to 25 yo. They are all very unique and like to be treated very differently. Which I try to do. Platinum rule or whatever, follow for more incredibly unique insights from thousands of hours of LinkedIn Learning and Book Clubs I’ve participated in because my company is bugged out eyes cartoon wolf guy horny for that crap.
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You fuckers extraordinarily horny (non sexually) for Brene Brown around here? You love jerking it (not irl, but brain jerking) to Simon Sinek? Let’s dance (and influence people).
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I don’t know Brene Brown but everyone I’ve come across that talks about liking her I don’t like.
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I refuse to believe that something like having your mom call into the place you just quit to see if she can get your job back is at all normal for any generation.
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Also, that story makes the millennial parent look even worse than the zoomer worker.
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You guys really gen x'd this thread up
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I don’t know Brene Brown but everyone I’ve come across that talks about liking her I don’t like.
that's right
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I don’t know Brene Brown but everyone I’ve come across that talks about liking her I don’t like.
I was supposed to read Brene Brown but a few chapters in I couldn't take anymore. I then made it known that if they assigned another one of her books I would not be participating.
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I’ve read like 3 of them. They are pretty good. Also she does her own readings for her audio books which I always appreciate. She provides good free materials for book club stuff too. I hate when we do business book club and I have to make up my own conversation starters and talking points.
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We once read some Christian servant leadership focused business book. One lesson talked about how Jesus washed some other dude's dirty feet. And someone in the group suggested that we, as a company demonstration of this idea, could all get together and literally not figuratively wash each other's feet.
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We once read some Christian servant leadership focused business book. One lesson talked about how Jesus washed some other dude's dirty feet. And someone in the group suggested that we, as a company demonstration of this idea, could all get together and literally not figuratively wash each other's feet.
That person should have been fired on spot because if you are willing to suggest that then you are capable of anything.
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I would quit my job before I touched someone else's feet.
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Depends on the feet :peek:
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WTAF. My initial reaction would be to laugh and mock them directly in their stupid face but first I would need a few minutes to overcome being stunned by the sheer ridiculousness of the suggestion.
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Sounds like a scene straight from Righteous Gemstones season 3.
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We once read some Christian servant leadership focused business book. One lesson talked about how Jesus washed some other dude's dirty feet. And someone in the group suggested that we, as a company demonstration of this idea, could all get together and literally not figuratively wash each other's feet.
Should've advised them that the lowest person in the household (company) is the one who would wash the feet. And the highest up in the HH(company) get's to anoint them with oil.
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You telling me Jesus Christ of Nazareth was the low man? FOH. CEO needs to get his bucket and start scrubbing toes.
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Depends on the feet :peek:
:D
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I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
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I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Impossible to know without knowing the year of their birth.
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I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
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I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
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Not if I file a complaint with the NRLB you bitch.
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I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
I’m not sure how your HR operates but I would say with about a 95% certainty yes.
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I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
No idea what NY labor laws are like but I want to say yes. Or you could just manage them out, pull some office space Lumburg type stuff and make them work weekends or something until they leave.
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I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
absolutely you can. or for even dumber reasons.
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I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
The answer is "it depends." What form did "going over your head" take? Is this person a member of any protected groups? Do you have any electronic communications trashing this person, other than in this thread? Is this person the litigious type?
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I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
Maybe he feels the same way about you :dunno: Reach out and just try and get him moved and maybe you will both be happy.
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I recently started managing someone who I just cannot stand as a person. Like their voice is nails on a chalkboard to me and they also went over my head to say they didn't want to report to me like immediately after they were told to report to me. (My boss immediately told me and made fun of them for not having an alternative in mind). I like to separate the fact that I hate their guts from the work, but the work isn't all that great and they could easily be replaced.
any tips on how to manage this situation?
Seems like you’ve made up your mind to replace them. So I’d say find their replacement and then give them notice.
Can I just fire someone because I don't like them?
Maybe he feels the same way about you :dunno: Reach out and just try and get him moved and maybe you will both be happy.
The fact they went over his head and didn't even take the time to have an alternative to suggest tells you they are not intelligent. If their work is already so-so, it's not going to get better.
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Just tell HR that "you don't like their energy". It worked for Rebekah Paltrow Neuman.
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I had a direct report like that. I was a professional and just dealt with it because annoying dudes need to feed their families too. He eventually left on his own which was awesome.
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I had a direct report like that. I was a professional and just dealt with it because annoying dudes need to feed their families too. He eventually left on his own which was awesome.
To be fair I think I'm also annoyed with this person's performance too
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Well yeah, this dude was barely above acceptable and took way more of my time than his peers. He would have been first on the list if we needed to cut people but barely above acceptable is still above acceptable.
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I had a direct report like that. I was a professional and just dealt with it because annoying dudes need to feed their families too. He eventually left on his own which was awesome.
To be fair I think I'm also annoyed with this person's performance too
your job is to manage your employees, who’s failing who?
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I had a direct report like that. I was a professional and just dealt with it because annoying dudes need to feed their families too. He eventually left on his own which was awesome.
To be fair I think I'm also annoyed with this person's performance too
your job is to manage your employees, who’s failing who?
I started managing this person like a month ago
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Sounds like you need to hit the portal for a grad transfer
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doesn't sound like micat is here to elevate
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My favorite thing about this is that one of the things I remember most about working in an office is how often people simply pretended to work. Some had it down to a rough ridin' art form. Like, I think I'll just grab this random piece of paper off my desk and go for an afternoon long walkabout.
https://twitter.com/technology/status/1532036282708373506
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My favorite thing about this is that one of the things I remember most about working in an office is how often people simply pretended to work. Some had it down to a rough ridin' art form. Like, I think I'll just grab this random piece of paper off my desk and go for an afternoon long walkabout.
https://twitter.com/technology/status/1532036282708373506
My first job out of college was a small family company (40 ish employees) and the daughter was some sort of VP who didn't do much but would constantly walk past my desk looking like she was in a hurry to go do something like pickup stuff from the printer.
My coworker and I would make a bet in the morning on how many times she would walk by that day. O/U was usually close to 20.
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The most important thing you can do working in an office environment is walk like you're on a mission.
I think Musk is probably dumb to force people back in the office but if he's only talking about execs, whatever. We'll see if his jobs are good enough to retain the talent.
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if you’re not miserable, you’re not working!
gmafb with this crap. inefficiency is built into the workforce.
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Call me crazy, but isn’t he a manufacturer? Not sure how a lot of that can be done from home.
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I work for a manufacturer and I can do my job fully from home
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My favorite thing about this is that one of the things I remember most about working in an office is how often people simply pretended to work. Some had it down to a rough ridin' art form. Like, I think I'll just grab this random piece of paper off my desk and go for an afternoon long walkabout.
https://twitter.com/technology/status/1532036282708373506
haha, when I first started my job a couple of guys asked me if I wanted to take a walk with them. I was like, uh, sure, thinking we were going to go down the street and grab a starbucks or something. Those fuckers walked like 3 miles and for over an hour. My feet were killing me from my shitty dress shoes at the time. They did this pretty much every day and sometimes a couple of times. These dumbasses that think people actually work when in the office are hilarious. I work more from home and instead of going on stupid 3 mile walks to waste time in the office, I take time and get crap done around the house.
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Lol. A 3 mile walk is like 45 minutes. Call me crazy, almost the length of a lunch break. Sorry for your exercise.
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I can consistently tell who is working remote and who is in the office by the quality of their work.
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I can consistently tell who is working remote and who is in the office by the quality of their work.
Yea the quality of work from people in the office is usually considerably worse in my experience.
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The most important thing you can do working in an office environment is walk like you're on a mission.
I think Musk is probably dumb to force people back in the office but if he's only talking about execs, whatever. We'll see if his jobs are good enough to retain the talent.
In my experience, it is the greenest employees who legitimately benefit from being in office since remote training and feedback is generally pretty bad.
My guess is the execs have to come in cause it’s the only way to coax the lower levels in without a riot.
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Lol. A 3 mile walk is like 45 minutes. Call me crazy, almost the length of a lunch break. Sorry for your exercise.
yeah, but those guys were in the office. They should be at their desks working the whole time....
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Who is ready for a LOL?
So I work in sales and the rule of thumb here is that when you have an interested client you open an "opportunity" in salesforce. These were never really tracked that hard and were full of a bunch of old opportunities etc.
In the middle of last month my company decides that they want to clean up the opportunities to better forecast future sales so a new policy was announced that starting August 1st if an opportunity was been open more than 2 months without being closed the account will automatically be transferred to a new salesperson.
Our sales cycle can last anywhere from a week to 6-12 months so I told my boss what a terrible idea it was "So if I get someone interested in our product and open an opportunity I will lose that account unless I remember to close the opportunity after 60 days even if they are still interested?".
Bossman said he would run it up the flagpole but I came up with my own solution. I closed out all of my open opportunities and told him I wouldn't be opening any new opportunities until the day the customer buys our product.
Guess who just got 5 new accounts that are interested in our product assigned to him today from reps who didn't close out all their old opportunities? :gocho:
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I completely understand why they want to be able to better forecast new revenue but by threatening to take away accounts that have open opportunities for longer than 2 months when the sales cycle can last 5x that long they are shooting themselves in the foot.
It's one of those things that sounds great in the boardroom but in execution it is a terrible idea. Looking forward to the conversation with my manager in a month where he asks me why I don't have any open opportunities.
As long as my actual sales numbers are good I don't think I will have any issues. I give it 2 months tops before they change the policy but until then I'm looking forward to some new interested accounts from other reps.
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Instead of bitching and whining ole ‘ji is playing chess on their asses
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it’s funny how bad that every company that’s ever bought salesforce is at actually using it.
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I can't imagine why they would move the opps to a new rep after only 2 months. My boss would be on me to have some activity on the opportunity but would not move it to another rep if I was still working it.
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So I have a friend that makes good $, but crap is burning down at the company. Director of 12 years… GONE. Regional Director… GONE! Many others are leaving and they’re trying to throw $ at my friend to stay. It’s getting toxic and lateral moves pay less. What should I tell him. Also, RIP Steve Jobs.
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Tell your friend to soak them for everything it’s worth while he has any semblance of leverage and see how long he can last.
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:thumbs: Kinda what I’m thinking, but I hear he’s on the verge of a mental breakdown and he doesn’t want to go to jail. We’re talking 200K here, but is it worth it?!
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Mental breakdowns can be managed, jail is an entirely different animal though. I would try to get as much money as possible up front.
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:thumbs:
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Or take the $200, quiet quit and save the extra money until it becomes apparent you need to gtfo.
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I’ll let him know. Not sure crisis management is his thing, but I bet he can figure it out.
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This wouldn't have to do with some rural Missouri hospitals and clinics, would it?
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This wouldn't have to do with some rural Missouri hospitals and clinics, would it?
No. people rushed to the dentist when they thought the “pandemic” was done and now they’re over it. My friend is finally seeing over comp per service
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I think I agree with the advice here. Assuming your friend is on the younger side, getting the extra money and investing in the current market will set them up well down the line. That said, mental health is extremely important. If they can’t get into the mindset that everything will work out, there’s no amount of money that will make up for it.
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I'd bail as soon as possible. Money isn't everything
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Personally, I'd be thinking about how it'd affect my next job. How is the experience going to reflect on me? I imagine your work environment is different than mine, but I'd be worried about it affecting my job search if I was overseeing a toxic office and had a mental breakdown.
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I don't understand why this person would go to jail - if it's from illegal activity from the company they should GTFO immediately and consider reporting the company to cover their ass. If it's from then doing stupid due to a mental breakdown they should get into therapy and probably see a psychiatrist in addition to GTFO.
AND I don't understand the $200k - is it an increase in salary of that amount? New total salary? Retention bonus?
If this person is a dentist I can't imagine staying or leaving having much impact on their career long term unless his involvement, but prison due to either mental health breakdowns or illegal activity absolutely would.
A dentist (or recruiter) should be able to live comfortably about anywhere in the country WITHOUT STRESS OF GOING TO JAIL so they should do that unless they have some sort of aspersions to being a regional director of their own someday. And even then they should probably get out.
Also LMAO at putting "pandemic" in quotes.
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I mean, how much jail time are we talking about here? Days? Months? Years?
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Money is easy to come by today. Mental health is hard to come by today. Jail, in this situation, is confusing but avoid that for sure. Find a better place to work or different career immediately imo.
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I hear bootstraps are useful. Maybe your friend should look into using them instead of blaming everything else?
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Lol. He said jail, because he wants to strangle some of the people he’s working for/with. The bump would get him to a base like that. He appreciates all of the advice. And Chong’s, bootstrapping is what got him here. Don’t you worry!
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Lol. He said jail, because he wants to strangle some of the people he’s working for/with. The bump would get him to a base like that. He appreciates all of the advice. And Chong’s, bootstrapping is what got him here. Don’t you worry!
Is he a dentist?
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I’m kind of slow but the friend is actually Wacky, right?
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I’m kind of slow but the friend is actually Wacky, right?
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Probably
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God, we're all getting old.
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God, we're all getting old.
How many times have we told you to take care of your mental health? What does it tell you when we maybe thought it wasn't you and still recommended it?
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Check-in with a professional if you're concerned about mental health. Do it for your fam.
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So I have a friend that makes good $, but crap is burning down at the company. Director of 12 years%u2026 GONE. Regional Director%u2026 GONE! Many others are leaving and they%u2019re trying to throw $ at my friend to stay. It%u2019s getting toxic and lateral moves pay less. What should I tell him. Also, RIP Steve Jobs.
also knowing this is you and you are very dramatic, it's probably not really that bad, and in fact probably is a nice opportunity. Take the extra money and hopefully more responsibility and try to get yourself an elevated title to go with the money and throw on your resume. Even if crap goes down you'd get money and a title to help with the next gig.
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Not to derail the wacky train, but I changed jobs recently after being at the last job for a decade. This job is less rewarding, less responsibility, a little bit more of a drive, extremely boring, but a significant bump in pay.
I leave the office every day and don’t think about work until I get back the next morning…it’s been a few months and been great for my mental health and stress level. I highly suggest it for us old guys who just want to relax and bank some money before our kids go to college.
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Not to derail the wacky train, but I changed jobs recently after being at the last job for a decade. This job is less rewarding, less responsibility, a little bit more of a drive, extremely boring, but a significant bump in pay.
I leave the office every day and don’t think about work until I get back the next morning…it’s been a few months and been great for my mental health and stress level. I highly suggest it for us old guys who just want to relax and bank some money before our kids go to college.
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Congrats!
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Not to derail the wacky train, but I changed jobs recently after being at the last job for a decade. This job is less rewarding, less responsibility, a little bit more of a drive, extremely boring, but a significant bump in pay.
I leave the office every day and don’t think about work until I get back the next morning…it’s been a few months and been great for my mental health and stress level. I highly suggest it for us old guys who just want to relax and bank some money before our kids go to college.
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This is it. Huge for work/life balance.
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Wacks, labor market is kinda weird right now. You should at least try to leverage it, imo. Tell them you want $300k, 2 more weeks of vacation, and some kind of profit sharing or something else big. They can come down from there.
The big secret about your boss, their boss, and any other boss higher up is that most of them don't totally know what the hell they are doing either. Most ppl don't have their crap together and are all just worried about getting through today. If you are able to actually look forward a couple months, work on some 50k ft level view stuff rather than ground level view stuff, and just figure out problems as they come up and how to prevent them the next time they want to come up, you will be better than 90% of the bosses in any industry. Accept that, move up, solve problems, and be comfy doing so. You've been slanging dentists for a long time. You can definitely do this. Top level management is great. Hit them with a big ask.
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Pro tip:
Never say no without a number.
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Good stuff, gents!
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I changed jobs recently after being at the last job for a decade. This job is less rewarding, less responsibility, a little bit more of a drive, extremely boring, but a significant bump in pay.
I leave the office every day and don’t think about work until I get back the next morning.
i second this sentiment. having a well-paid, no-responsibility and boring job can be quite nice.
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So I have a friend that makes good $, but crap is burning down at the company. Director of 12 years%u2026 GONE. Regional Director%u2026 GONE! Many others are leaving and they%u2019re trying to throw $ at my friend to stay. It%u2019s getting toxic and lateral moves pay less. What should I tell him. Also, RIP Steve Jobs.
also knowing this is you and you are very dramatic, it's probably not really that bad, and in fact probably is a nice opportunity. Take the extra money and hopefully more responsibility and try to get yourself an elevated title to go with the money and throw on your resume. Even if crap goes down you'd get money and a title to help with the next gig.
The past two times I got dramatic about my toxic work environments, the companies folded in less than a year after leaving them (not because of me, obviously). Just saying, not sure it's dramatic when you see the writing on the wall. :dunno:
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So I have a friend that makes good $, but crap is burning down at the company. Director of 12 years%u2026 GONE. Regional Director%u2026 GONE! Many others are leaving and they%u2019re trying to throw $ at my friend to stay. It%u2019s getting toxic and lateral moves pay less. What should I tell him. Also, RIP Steve Jobs.
also knowing this is you and you are very dramatic, it's probably not really that bad, and in fact probably is a nice opportunity. Take the extra money and hopefully more responsibility and try to get yourself an elevated title to go with the money and throw on your resume. Even if crap goes down you'd get money and a title to help with the next gig.
The past two times I got dramatic about my toxic work environments, the companies folded in less than a year after leaving them (not because of me, obviously). Just saying, not sure it's dramatic when you see the writing on the wall. :dunno:
Well if you're just going to walk into another truly toxic situation you should take the money and hang on for dear life
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Here it goes then... :crossfingers: :pray:
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:ohno:
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Go Wacks!
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Here it goes then... :crossfingers: :pray:
Wacky, how did we do?
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I have a busy work week. They told me to think on it and reconnect with them on Monday after I get back from my work trip. Even if I don't take the main "Director" role, they want to increase my salary and be a mentor for my position as we hire new staffing for our department. Said they can't afford to lose me. Only thing that sucks right now, with all the turnover, is my workload has tripled, which is probably for the best, because it's keeping me out of trouble.
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I have a busy work week. They told me to think on it and reconnect with them on Monday after I get back from my work trip. Even if I don't take the main "Director" role, they want to increase my salary and be a mentor for my position as we hire new staffing for our department. Said they can't afford to lose me. Only thing that sucks right now, with all the turnover, is my workload has tripled, which is probably for the best, because it's keeping me out of trouble.
Sounds like that job title may be able to help you down the line. I would probably take it and the big raise but also make sure that you have a good emergency fund in case it goes tits up.
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I am glad that the modern generation has learned to appreciate their work and professional skills. My peers were willing to work on a song as a student. Many people who have reached the age of 30 or 40 experience impostor syndrome, which does not allow them to reach their potential. While young professionals are 20 years old, they feel confident and are ready to learn new professions at https://www.becomeopedia.com/ (https://www.becomeopedia.com/). The modern generation will make it possible to develop new work standards and more clearly form the concept of personal boundaries and recreation for the world community.
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I am glad that the modern generation has learned to appreciate their work and professional skills. My peers were willing to work on a song as a student. Many people who have reached the age of 30 or 40 experience impostor syndrome, which does not allow them to reach their potential. While young professionals are 20 years old, they feel confident and are ready to learn new professions at https://www.becomeopedia.com/ (https://www.becomeopedia.com/). The modern generation will make it possible to develop new work standards and more clearly form the concept of personal boundaries and recreation for the world community.
eff yeah, dude.
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https://twitter.com/verge/status/1592538554642575360
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https://twitter.com/verge/status/1592538554642575360
:)
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I obviously stayed, but now have a global company asking if I can do a start up as the main guy for the US for them now. They found me on LinkedIn and want to grow by 50% in the next year with my recruiting abilities. Do I leverage this with my current company and ask for another raise or take a jump with a crap ton of responsibility to grow their brand in the US for 40K more a year starting out, with opportunity to fail?
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If it is Carvana then definitely say no.
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If it is Carvana then definitely say no.
lmao
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Wacky, as your (non legal) attorney and personal wealth advisor (not financial advice) and mortician (probably ok here) I feel qualified to say that your career is fast and exciting and it will always be risky. Is the new gig that much riskier than the current one? I don’t know. But is taking a flier on it a risk worth taking? I also don’t know that. What I do know is you. And you’ll do fine in the end.
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Thanks, friend! I think the most responsible thing to do here, without the unknown, is to ask for an increase, but I’m scared they’ll use it against me in the long run.
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I have a friend who threatened to leave for a promotion/raise and it definitely backfired after he got it. (He got fired because his boss left and the new boss didn't think he deserved it and to be fair he did a skip level promotion)
But if you're worth it, you're worth it
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Do you get equity in the startup on top of your salary?
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More thoughts
40k more cash? you should leave if it will be an interesting experience that gives you new skills or responsibilities.
Have you done anything to deserve $40k more at your current company or are you underpaid for the industry in your market? Are you struggling financially? If you like the stability and want to coast, I would recommend explaining why you deserve a raise at review time, but having a recruiter contact you on LinkedIn is not a reason you deserve a raise. If you don't feel like you have a good business case and want to coast, I'd shut up and coast.
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I’m probably paid at the highest tier I could get at for my line of work right now. My current employer pays me very well and that’s why I haven’t left after all of the transition the past 8 months. I do feel very established and happy where I’m at. However, I should see all these offer details by tomorrow by the “competitor”. They’re might be some equity with it. They’ve just thrown potential numbers at me right now. I should know more by tomorrow.
If I did leverage for a raise, I wouldn’t ask them to match. Maybe just a 10% bump. Only reason why I feel comfortable doing it, is because I see these types of transactions daily in my line of work, to keep top talent around.
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Also, it was more than a message from LinkedIn. I had 5 zoom calls this week. 1 with the CEO in Spain and another with the COO in Germany. I don’t know why, but global crap gets me excited. Corporate HQ’s would be Barcelona. As a peasant who barely traveled the world before the age of 18, that kind of stuff is exciting for me.
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with DW69 jr a few years away from kicking ass in youth sports this may be a good time to go worldwide
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I’m probably paid at the highest tier I could get at for my line of work right now. My current employer pays me very well and that’s why I haven’t left after all of the transition the past 8 months. I do feel very established and happy where I’m at. However, I should see all these offer details by tomorrow by the “competitor”. They’re might be some equity with it. They’ve just thrown potential numbers at me right now. I should know more by tomorrow.
If I did leverage for a raise, I wouldn’t ask them to match. Maybe just a 10% bump. Only reason why I feel comfortable doing it, is because I see these types of transactions daily in my line of work, to keep top talent around.
So you're wanting your line of work to go above and beyond what they pay anyone because you see candidates in other industries stay for more money? My experience is a 10% raise won't keep people around for long :dunno:
And if you're comfortable financially, you shouldn't give up a great opportunity for 10% more money with your current employer.
Also, it was more than a message from LinkedIn. I had 5 zoom calls this week. 1 with the CEO in Spain and another with the COO in Germany. I don’t know why, but global crap gets me excited. Corporate HQ’s would be Barcelona. As a peasant who barely traveled the world before the age of 18, that kind of stuff is exciting for me.
is your family prepared for you to travel on longer international trips?
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Travel is only 10-15% of my job, so yeah, the Mrs seems on board, but she’s not pushing either decision.
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I obviously stayed, but now have a global company asking if I can do a start up as the main guy for the US for them now. They found me on LinkedIn and want to grow by 50% in the next year with my recruiting abilities. Do I leverage this with my current company and ask for another raise or take a jump with a crap ton of responsibility to grow their brand in the US for 40K more a year starting out, with opportunity to fail?
bet on yourself wacks. always
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wacks traveling abroad is exactly what this blog needs
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wacks traveling abroad is exactly what this blog needs
I can't wait for wacky to get to France and drive on the left side of the road.
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wacks traveling abroad is exactly what this blog needs
I can't wait for wacky to get to France and drive on the left side of the road.
is it possible to check a bag full of ice. I have to have ice in my drinks
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Def bet on yourself.
One thought: time and ownership. If you are building the US for them, that is a huge market, regardless of industry. You said it will increase their company by 50%. That is crazy. That will require work like you may have not done before, assuming they are already large, based on them being a global company and having officers in different countries. This might require the kind of work where you sleep a lot less, get a lot less weekend, and make fewer soccer games. If you are down, cool. If you aren't, cool. You should definitely find a way to get a measure of what that might look like/require and you should definitely weight that against $40k or and/or any % of ownership you can squeeze out of them.
Balance is really rough ridin' hard. You are about to enter a family period of time where it might be the hardest. My advice would be to keep balance in mind during this process unless you are the kind of workaholic that likes work being #1. If you are, cool, no judgement, one of my besties is that guy. Just don't go into something like that without evaluating workload and balance against a gig you like and already have.
This is a mental health PSA, here.
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congrats on the new job and grabbing that Blumhouse bag wacks
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1603812713674817562?s=20&t=ZfaihwfwicBOo7r_TGg3Ww
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Saw that! :love:
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Update: I had a zoom call with the founder of the company today. What a crazy process this has been. 3 weeks of interviews. I guess I really appreciate them doing their due diligence. I'm going to laugh at myself if they don't offer after all of this. lol
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Update: I had a zoom call with the founder of the company today. What a crazy process this has been. 3 weeks of interviews. I guess I really appreciate them doing their due diligence. I'm going to laugh at myself if they don't offer after all of this. lol
Kind of a red flag if it's like a big company imo but also that might mean they just have a lot of room to improve with recruiting?
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Yeah, they definitely have a lot of room to improve with their recruiting. I think they’ve grown faster than they thought they would right away and they need a lot of help with the fast growing expansion.
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Ripple Labs must have made you an offer you couldn’t refuse
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Got an offer for a new job with a 45% base pay bump. Obvi gonna take it, super excited!
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Got an offer for a new job with a 45% base pay bump. Obvi gonna take it, super excited!
That's impressive, 'grats!
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It's a shame that you always have to change jobs to get a bump like that. Congrats!
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Not to derail the wacky train, but I changed jobs recently after being at the last job for a decade. This job is less rewarding, less responsibility, a little bit more of a drive, extremely boring, but a significant bump in pay.
I leave the office every day and don’t think about work until I get back the next morning…it’s been a few months and been great for my mental health and stress level. I highly suggest it for us old guys who just want to relax and bank some money before our kids go to college.
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MEH! I left that job, it became too boring and I gained weight sitting on my ass too much. Back to public education for this guy. :gocho:
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should have used the extra coin/time to get a gym membership or a trainer
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should have used the extra coin/time to get a gym membership or a trainer
:dubious:
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I guess it’s true what they say, those who can’t do, teach.
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I'm an IT guy, I can't even teach. :Take the Bait:
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Wait why do you have to go back to public education then
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I like days off
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I start my new job tomorrow.
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If you are the “this could have been an email guy,” then you better rough ridin' never ever say to me “gosh I must have missed that email.”
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And guess what, Iverson, some of your rough ridin' teammates benefit from discussing something that you seem to take for granted. A rising tide raises all boats, you ungrateful bastard.
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Whew. I feel a bit better now.
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If you are the “this could have been an email guy,” then you better rough ridin' never ever say to me “gosh I must have missed that email.”
I do both of these all the time. I also need people to stop copying me on irrelevant emails. (LMAO @ my drafts too)
(https://i.imgur.com/nAMur4k.png)
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Just mark everything in your inbox as “read” and start over. It’s liberating.
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Just mark everything in your inbox as “read” and start over. It’s liberating.
I think now's a good time but I still get like 100 per day that I don't want to read.
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Just mark everything in your inbox as “read” and start over. It’s liberating.
I think now's a good time but I still get like 100 per day that I don't want to read.
If it’s not from one of my bosses or key customer counterparts, then I don’t read it unless they put my name at the top.
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Just mark everything in your inbox as “read” and start over. It’s liberating.
I think now's a good time but I still get like 100 per day that I don't want to read.
If it’s not from one of my bosses or key customer counterparts, then I don’t read it unless they put my name at the top.
lmao you need meetings so people can read you the emails they send you and you ignore
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Just seeing 10K unread emails give me anxiety. I hate coming back from vacation and having a couple hundred.
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Just seeing 10K unread emails give me anxiety. I hate coming back from vacation and having a couple hundred.
I get so much industry spam e-mail through various bar associations and vendors that I would bet the ratio of e-mails I need to read vs. e-mails I know I don't need to read is like 1:6. Outlook does a good job of sorting it into the "Other" tab, though.
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I get plenty of industry spam emails but I quickly delete them to get them out of my way.
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I get plenty of industry spam emails but I quickly delete them to get them out of my way.
I'm one of those people, whom some consider insane, that is not bothered by the indicator showing the number of unread e-mails, messages, etc. I have a process that ensures I see everything I need to see, so that unread indicator doesn't bother me a bit.
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yeah I went through a phase of marking every sales email as spam but it's still way more work than it's worth
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i have over 300,000 "items" in my outlook
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Have a weekly virtual meeting and a few years ago someone apparently did not have their mic turned off. At the end of said meeting the guy goes well that's an hour of my life I'll never get back. Which then led to the leader trying to figure out who said it :D
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You haven't lived until you've Toob'd a Zoom.
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I get plenty of industry spam emails but I quickly delete them to get them out of my way.
I'm one of those people, whom some consider insane, that is not bothered by the indicator showing the number of unread e-mails, messages, etc. I have a process that ensures I see everything I need to see, so that unread indicator doesn't bother me a bit.
Not sure how you can do this. I see everything I need to but can't stand the number showing unread emails. I also use a lot of rules and stuff and make use the of 'mark as read' a lot.
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I'm learning that gmail has some glitches when you try to mark 10000 emails as read
Productive afternoon at the office
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I get plenty of industry spam emails but I quickly delete them to get them out of my way.
I'm one of those people, whom some consider insane, that is not bothered by the indicator showing the number of unread e-mails, messages, etc. I have a process that ensures I see everything I need to see, so that unread indicator doesn't bother me a bit.
Not sure how you can do this. I see everything I need to but can't stand the number showing unread emails. I also use a lot of rules and stuff and make use the of 'mark as read' a lot.
It just doesn't bother me, but I have known many people whom it bothers a great deal. It's just one of those things that affects some people profoundly and others not at all. I'd be curious to see a survey on this phenomenon. To me, it comes across as obsessive behavior, but I pass no judgment.
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I’m an inbox zero kind of guy
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I’m an inbox zero kind of guy
same. I have like 7 emails in my work box right now and I've already went through them. I just need to get motivated to either delete or move them to the appropriate keep folder.
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I’m an inbox zero kind of guy
Yep same. Used it for a long time and works great for me.
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I’m an inbox zero kind of guy
It is literally impossible for me. It would be more than a full time job reading and sorting without taking any action. I am team rusty.
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I’m an inbox zero kind of guy
It is literally impossible for me. It would be more than a full time job reading and sorting without taking any action. I am team rusty.
This is where i’m at. I’ve got filters fixed to put emails to where they need to go and i can still tell there is a problem due to rapid unread email growth. I just verified i have one filter/folder with 1.9 million unread. Might mark all as read
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Team zero
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i try to read them but don’t care if I don’t read them. i’m pretty good at knowing what’s important in my job without needing outlook to tell me.
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LMAO at sorting emails, ever heard of search?
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The real trick is training people to not send you emails in the first place
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Mine are moved to each individual project's folder :Rusty:
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The real trick is training people to not send you emails in the first place
I'm so close to telling my team to do this. Some of them are worse than others
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The real trick is training people to not send you emails in the first place
I'm so close to telling my team to do this. Some of them are worse than others
My boss that was the best at this would just respond in as few words as possible while still getting his point across. People would send long ass emails explaining something and their spirit would be broken when he would respond with "Ok"
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feel good for UPS drivers. these delivery drivers are the most hustling profession out there right now. ours basically sprint to our door to drop off packages every single day and then haul ass two houses over to do it again. probably 1,000 twenty yard sprints a day. these guys deserve this much and more imo.
https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1688895862913613824
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This seems like a really good example of organized labor working out pretty well
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This seems like a really good example of organized labor working out pretty well
Yeah, win for everyone involved
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And to think, it was all because Oliver Wendell Holmes made some young communist friends.
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feel good for UPS drivers. these delivery drivers are the most hustling profession out there right now. ours basically sprint to our door to drop off packages every single day and then haul ass two houses over to do it again. probably 1,000 twenty yard sprints a day. these guys deserve this much and more imo.
https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1688895862913613824
had a buddy do this for a year or so.. absolutely HATED it, had a pee bottle even just to stay on track of all of the deliveries. those dudes are definitely hustling.
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I saw some podcast(!) clip on twitter where they were complaining that this might increase your shipping costs from like $8 to $10 and so it was a bad deal for people.
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I saw some podcast(!) clip on twitter where they were complaining that this might increase your shipping costs from like $8 to $10 and so it was a bad deal for people.
It doesn’t have much impact on high earners like steve and yourself
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Rates w/ go up with UPS. Folks will begin utilizing FedEx Ground (contracted service provider that is non-union) more frequently. UPS market share will decrease. Less UPS drivers will be required.
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I'd take that bet.
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I'd take that bet.
Same
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The ups guy at my building is lol slow and is nonstop watching things on his phone as he lol slow delivers with his other hand.
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I was really not looking forward to only having FedEx available during a UPS strike. Not sure about the over all sitch, but fedex is rough ridin' awful here, you guys.
UPS are pros. Love those guys/girls.
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I was really not looking forward to only having FedEx available during a UPS strike. Not sure about the over all sitch, but fedex is rough ridin' awful here, you guys.
UPS are pros. Love those guys/girls.
Yes, they aren’t even comparable services
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FedEx is the gold standard
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I think maybe what’s happening here is you guys are confusing FedEx with ups??
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FedEx is the gold standard
Of being shitty and slow and losing packages
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:lol:
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FedEx isn't a delivery service, they are the new up and coming WWE star and my deliveries are the new "bad guy" wrestlers.
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FedEx isn't a delivery service, they are the new up and coming WWE star and my deliveries are the new "bad guy" wrestlers.
Think UPS would be the babyface, Amazon prime would be the heel and Fedex would be the jobber
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100% true story, our ups guy leaves 3 dog biscuits at our door when he drops off packages (which is all the god damn time), because we have 3 dogs.
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I honestly have no idea what fed ex delivers. I don't think I've gotten a package from them in years.
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I honestly have no idea what fed ex delivers. I don't think I've gotten a package from them in years.
I hope you continue not being served.
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I honestly have no idea what fed ex delivers. I don't think I've gotten a package from them in years.
This is true for everyone (whether they were supposed to have gotten one or not)
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Everything I receive that ships via FedEx is actually delivered by the post office
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I had a medication that was fulfilled by a specialty pharmacy and shipped via FedEx. They usually arrived a day or two late.
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I had a medication that was fulfilled by a specialty pharmacy and shipped via FedEx. They usually arrived a day or two late.
That’s like the greatest performance in the history of fedex
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There's a big difference between FedEx Ground and FedEx Express. Express is similar to UPS in many respects. That said, they integrating the Express and Ground lines and that will likely result in a drop of service......
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This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
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This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
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This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
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This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
Gotcha. This crap is totally going to be cigarettes to a generation or two down the line. man. also :cyclist:
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This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
I saw somewhere it's also a way to get around copyright issues, it makes it harder to identify and take down a video. I think I saw this in reference to movie clips split with Subway surfers or something
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michigancat is a JRE listener, confirmed.
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This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
I saw somewhere it's also a way to get around copyright issues, it makes it harder to identify and take down a video. I think I saw this in reference to movie clips split with Subway surfers or something
this makes me feel better than, "our analysis discovered that people can't even watch a 12 second video without getting distracted anymore so we need to add another video to keep them engaged so we can send them more ads".
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this makes me feel better than, "our analysis discovered that people can't even watch a 12 second video without getting distracted anymore so we need to add another video to keep them engaged so we can send them more ads".
Another perspective is that people have always done more than one thing at a time. The only difference here is that two of the things a person is doing at the same time are on the same screen.
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This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
I appreciated the DIY hacks, because I saw the standalone video like 1,000 internet years ago, you old man. Almost certain it was posted on this very blog.
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This is pretty clever
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8MWFJYb/
This may be for the old man thread, but I think this is the first time I've been to tiktok. Do they always have two videos going at the same time? Like, I saw and heard the guy screaming about circuit city and twitter, but right next to it was also a video of DIY type "hacks" that completely distracted me from what this guy was yelling about.
Not usually. But the rationale is that you'll get less bored and tempted to swipe away if you have more stimulation. More to do than just listen to one person talk. I'm guessing that it's a highly effective tactic.
I appreciated the DIY hacks, because I saw the standalone video like 1,000 internet years ago, you old man. Almost certain it was posted on this very blog.
There's a decent chance I was the one who posted it and then completely forgot I ever saw it.
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I'm bad with names but remember faces. I could never forget that huge-headed neard.