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Don’t forget other UN countries and the most prominent member of the American Catholic Church. They too were disgustingly complicit until the recent policy change.

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in August, 2017, a group of officials at the Department of Homeland Security gathered to brainstorm new ways to toughen immigration enforcement. Among those leading the discussion was an official named Gene Hamilton, a former aide to Jeff Sessions, the Attorney General, and a close ally of Stephen Miller, the President’s chief immigration adviser. “Hamilton told us that over the next few days we’d need to generate paperwork laying out everything we could do to deter immigrants from coming to the U.S. illegally,” a person who attended the meeting told me. Memos were drafted outlining a range of possible policies; one of them was separating parents from their kids at the border. “All the memos sucked,” the person said. “The outcome was predetermined. We didn’t have time to work out any of the policy differences. Some of the ideas didn’t make sense. Some were illegal, and some, like separating kids, were just immoral.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-the-trump-administration-got-comfortable-separating-immigrant-kids-from-their-parents
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Clearly we need to process these kids through so they can either become "lost children" or send them back after interrogations to determine any relations to Mexican gangs, so the Mexican gangs can then deal with them.   That was policy numerous times under the previous administration, and apparently that was okay, because we never heard anything about it from Perpetually Triggered LibBot nation.

Or, route #3 which is catch and release, and then deport those claiming U.S. born children.   Happened thousands of times in the past, and again, apparently that was perfectly fine because we didn't hear a word about it from Triggered LibBot Nation.
Pretty sad that this exact same thing had been happening and dax, fox, and Republicans sat in silence. Monsters.

Whataboutism at its finest!

It got very little coverage.   I'm just sorry that the heroes of the left implemented such policies and short of a little article in the WP/NYT we didn't hear much about it.   To think, said policies originated out of the Clinton administration. 

The outcomes of a complicit media.

Sad.
Zero tolerance started last month. You know this but hard to take responsibility...we understand. Monsters don't like being called monsters.....

Yet there was clear precedence for separating children, of which the possible outcomes of the processes in place then were absolutely horrific compared to what's occurring now.    Never heard a peep from you guys.
Or from international watchdog groups....that now suddenly have filed emergency requests.... they must be in on it!

Apparently you didn't read the scant few articles that were done discussing this issue from when before Trump was president.   One process was to question the kids to gather intelligence about Mexican and Central American drug gangs . . . and then send the kid back.   Never heard a word from you guys.

Like I keep saying, you're all triggered about separating kids from parents, but stood complicity by as Obama deported 73,000 adults claiming U.S. born children.   

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Obama never put 2,000 kids in prison camp over a one and a half month period, dax.

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If you’re going to defend this ridiculousness, you have to admire Dax’s approach. Classic whataboutism but with the twist that the greatest travesty of all is the media wasn’t covering the previous atrocities so there’s no real proof.

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Obama never put 2,000 kids in prison camp over a one and a half month period, dax.

True, he apparently separated 73,000 plus children from their parents. 

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apparently

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Dax hasn’t posted actual facts in a decade and you guys still eat his crap up.


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apparently, some people can't wrap their feeble little minds around the difference between a policy and a law

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Dax hasn’t posted actual facts in a decade and you guys still eat his crap up.


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He is crack.

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"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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WASHINGTON — Immigration and Customs Enforcement last year carried out more than 72,000 deportations of parents who said they had U.S.-born children, according to reports to Congress obtained Wednesday by The Huffington Post.

The reports were sent by ICE in April to the Senate Appropriations Committee and the Senate Judiciary Committee, as required by law. ICE confirmed the authenticity of the two reports, which lay out 72,410 removals of immigrants who said they had one or more U.S.-born children in 2013.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/25/parents-deportation_n_5531552.html

It's absolutely sad how spoonfed the Triggered LibBot has to be all the time.

ICE said 71,214 parents of U.S.-born children who were deported fit its priorities. The priorities include convicted criminals, people caught attempting to enter the country illegally, people who had returned after a previous deportation, and people who failed to report to ICE


. . . and one of the chief reasons why we have "lost children". 




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yes that is the same thing dax

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yes that is the same thing dax

the crux is seperating parents from children, it was on the original Triggered LibBot memo.


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Dax just owned you triggered libbots that don't get boners over taking children away from their parents because you don't like the color of their skin
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Dax just owned you triggered libbots that don't get boners over taking children away from their parents because you don't like the color of their skin

Unfortunately LibBots (like you) were completely flaccid when your hero was ripping tens of thousands of parents away from their children.   Not a peep from you as the brown people got shipped out of the country and away from their loved ones.




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yes that is the same thing dax

the crux is seperating parents from children, it was on the original Triggered LibBot memo.
It's not the same thing...

“For parents who are ordered removed, it is their decision whether or not to relocate their children with them. If parents choose to take their children with them, ICE assists in every way possible including helping to obtain travel documents for the minors or, when possible, allow for the family’s voluntary departure.”

There was no forced separation.

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yes that is the same thing dax

the crux is seperating parents from children, it was on the original Triggered LibBot memo.
It's not the same thing...

“For parents who are ordered removed, it is their decision whether or not to relocate their children with them. If parents choose to take their children with them, ICE assists in every way possible including helping to obtain travel documents for the minors or, when possible, allow for the family’s voluntary departure.”

There was no forced separation.

They were being forced to make a choice about children who were already U.S. citizens.  What do you suspect the situation was like back in the home country for many of these people? 


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no phil it's the exact same thing

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Flailing, sad
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Dax appears to be a person who gets off on chastising people concerned about the welfare of innocent children. His enjoyment is especially sweet it if he can point out their hypocrisy. That is the valuable contribution he makes here.

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Obama deporting 3 million people was bad. The unaccompanied minors issue was talked about, reported on, and debated extensively. Obama absolutely does not deserve a pass for his bad immigration policies, but he also didn't separate families awaiting hearings on asylum and it is disingenuous to argue that he separated detained families at the border when the policy is newly created and specifically designed to be inhumane as a deterrent to others.

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yes that is the same thing dax

the crux is seperating parents from children, it was on the original Triggered LibBot memo.
It's not the same thing...

“For parents who are ordered removed, it is their decision whether or not to relocate their children with them. If parents choose to take their children with them, ICE assists in every way possible including helping to obtain travel documents for the minors or, when possible, allow for the family’s voluntary departure.”

There was no forced separation.

They were being forced to make a choice about children who were already U.S. citizens.  What do you suspect the situation was like back in the home country for many of these people?
So you are against deportation. Got it.