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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/hillsboro-high-students-walk-out-over-transgender-dispute/article_be488fab-d239-5944-9733-32f569dcdc32.html
This story really has a lot going on. A gay high school senior, Lila Perry, just came out as transgender this year.
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The school had been allowing her to use the staff restroom to do her business and change for gym. She had decided that she wants equal treatment to the rest of the girls, and with the aid of the gay-straight alliance, convinced the school board to let her use the girls' bathroom and locker room. The girls and their parents were not happy about this at all.
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Why don't they just change to a all-gender locker room, like on Starship Troopers? Problem solved.
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Surprising a mo high school worked to accommodate a trans teen like they did
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I think the school had it right when they let her use the staff facilities.
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I don't like that the US Dept. Of Education says we have to make our local schools allow any kid to go to the bathroom of the gender they identify with. I don't want a manvert go ogling at Renosissy. Renosweets would declare Holy war. A neutral John is just fine.
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Is this the appropriate thread to ask what the difference between a boy and a girl is?
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Is this the appropriate thread to ask what the difference between a boy and a girl is?
I vote biological sex, but I think that makes me politically incorrect.
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This is a very interesting case but one that I would like to see more opinions on before I form my own. Like, i don't know what trans people have done in the past or how they feel about it.
also, obviously girls weren't involved in the making of those sign(s?), amirite fellas? :fatty:
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“The way I was raised, I have no problem with a transgender, but he shouldn’t be in the women’s locker room until he has the surgery,” said parent Greg Wilson, according to local news Web site the Leader.
When you think about it, what difference does the surgery really make? I guess he's concerned about Lila having a penis that could be used to rape the other girls? I'm trying to understand here.
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What makes the parents or girls feel uncomfortable?
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“The way I was raised, I have no problem with a transgender, but he shouldn’t be in the women’s locker room until he has the surgery,” said parent Greg Wilson, according to local news Web site the Leader.
When you think about it, what difference does the surgery really make? I guess he's concerned about Lila having a penis that could be used to rape the other girls? I'm trying to understand here.
Becoming visibly aroused?
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“The way I was raised, I have no problem with a transgender, but he shouldn’t be in the women’s locker room until he has the surgery,” said parent Greg Wilson, according to local news Web site the Leader.
When you think about it, what difference does the surgery really make? I guess he's concerned about Lila having a penis that could be used to rape the other girls? I'm trying to understand here.
I think it comes back to "Why do we have separate facilities for men and women in the first place?" I think it's hard to blame the girls at the school for not wanting to change in front of a biological male and see male genitalia in the locker room. It seems a reasonable compromise to me to offer Lila the staff facilities. I would think most schools in this part of the country would tell her to keep using the men's room.
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I honestly don't give a crap. Everyone is sharing bathrooms and locker rooms with people that are looking at them naked. Except for women having stalls for showers and toilets.
If someone wants to live out their life transgender then we shouldn't stand in their way.
I'm looking forward to the first oscar jenner type that wants to play sports.
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Or someone that was born with a vagina that wants to use the boys facilities.
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“The way I was raised, I have no problem with a transgender, but he shouldn’t be in the women’s locker room until he has the surgery,” said parent Greg Wilson, according to local news Web site the Leader.
When you think about it, what difference does the surgery really make? I guess he's concerned about Lila having a penis that could be used to rape the other girls? I'm trying to understand here.
I think it comes back to "Why do we have separate facilities for men and women in the first place?" I think it's hard to blame the girls at the school for not wanting to change in front of a biological male and see male genitalia in the locker room. It seems a reasonable compromise to me to offer Lila the staff facilities. I would think most schools in this part of the country would tell her to keep using the men's room.
Yeah, it's hard to blame them. However, I'm questioning the specific quote I cited. Lila's mind doesn't necessarily change when she has the surgery. So why shouldn't she still be forced to use the unisex bathroom?
also, high school locker rooms in general are pretty mumped up places when you really think about it.
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What makes the parents or girls feel uncomfortable?
a penis in the girls room
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Or someone that was born with a vagina that wants to use the boys facilities.
http://www.whio.com/news/news/local/troy-schools-dealing-with-transgender-issue/nnTnC/
That is happening in Ohio.
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What makes the parents or girls feel uncomfortable?
a penis in the girls room
And if there's a dong flopping around all over the place, appropriate action should be taken.
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Or someone that was born with a vagina that wants to use the boys facilities.
http://www.whio.com/news/news/local/troy-schools-dealing-with-transgender-issue/nnTnC/
That is happening in Ohio.
Godspeed to that student.
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I mean, am I some kind of small minded bigot? A kid with a penis is a boy. A kid with a vagina is a girl. Locker rooms and restrooms are by design a place of segregation.
Fellas, I'm not trying to troll or anything but I'm having a hard time understanding this. I've always believed biology and birth is where the distinction of boy/girl comes from. Help me understand.
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with bathrooms, honestly, who gives a eff. I understand the why you would question the locker room, but I would be curious to hear the thoughts of more trans people who have experienced this issue and how others around them handled it.
Maybe this is a 100% new issue?
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It won't be long before some high school guys start claiming trans gender just to shower with the girls. Can you feel trans gender one day and not the next? Maybe. Who is to judge?
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I mean, am I some kind of small minded bigot? A kid with a penis is a boy. A kid with a vagina is a girl. Locker rooms and restrooms are by design a place of segregation.
Fellas, I'm not trying to troll or anything but I'm having a hard time understanding this. I've always believed biology and birth is where the distinction of boy/girl comes from. Help me understand.
There's also brain chemistry involved as well. Sometimes they don't align.
What if someone was born a hermaphrodite and the parents chose one sex but the child grows up feeling as though it is the other sex? I've always viewed it in that context. Freaks of nature happen. We shouldn't treat them likes ones.
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I mean, am I some kind of small minded bigot? A kid with a penis is a boy. A kid with a vagina is a girl. Locker rooms and restrooms are by design a place of segregation.
Fellas, I'm not trying to troll or anything but I'm having a hard time understanding this. I've always believed biology and birth is where the distinction of boy/girl comes from. Help me understand.
There's also brain chemistry involved as well. Sometimes they don't align.
What if someone was born a hermaphrodite and the parents chose one sex but the child grows up feeling as though it is the other sex? I've always viewed it in that context. Freaks of nature happen. We shouldn't treat them likes ones.
I'm not sure asking her to use a more private bathroom that female staff members use qualifies as treating her like a freak, though.
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also, obviously girls weren't involved in the making of those sign(s?), amirite fellas? :fatty:
Because girls know the correct usage of apostrophes?
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also, obviously girls weren't involved in the making of those sign(s?), amirite fellas? :fatty:
Because girls know the correct usage of apostrophes?
yes! I like how they both had them placed incorrectly
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It's a weird issue indeed. I don't blame the girls or parents for being uncomfortable, just as I don't blame the teen for being uncomfortable in the boys locker room and also uncomfortable being "singled out/special".
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Yeah the whole penis in a girls locker room is an issue for me.......hense my suggestion of an all-gender locker room. If there is going to be one penis, why not a bunch more?
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I had a girlfriend who thought the same thing...
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I mean, am I some kind of small minded bigot? A kid with a penis is a boy. A kid with a vagina is a girl. Locker rooms and restrooms are by design a place of segregation.
Fellas, I'm not trying to troll or anything but I'm having a hard time understanding this. I've always believed biology and birth is where the distinction of boy/girl comes from. Help me understand.
There's also brain chemistry involved as well. Sometimes they don't align.
What if someone was born a hermaphrodite and the parents chose one sex but the child grows up feeling as though it is the other sex? I've always viewed it in that context. Freaks of nature happen. We shouldn't treat them likes ones.
I'm not sure asking her to use a more private bathroom that female staff members use qualifies as treating her like a freak, though.
I don't either.
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I had a girlfriend who thought the same thing...
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Crapped Rights. The next big supreme Court case. Can't prohibit minorities from using bathrooms so why tranzes. If some woman would come in while I'm whizzing I'd flash her my big hairy ass. She'd either vomit, poke her eyes out or scream. She can't yell harassment
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“The way I was raised, I have no problem with a transgender, but he shouldn’t be in the women’s locker room until he has the surgery,” said parent Greg Wilson, according to local news Web site the Leader.
When you think about it, what difference does the surgery really make? I guess he's concerned about Lila having a penis that could be used to rape the other girls? I'm trying to understand here.
I don't understand how people don't believe in evolution when we hear most humans talk every day. Holy rough ridin' crap. "She'll be good once she cuts her dick off." I mean Jesus rough ridin' Christ.
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I mean, am I some kind of small minded bigot? A kid with a penis is a boy. A kid with a vagina is a girl. Locker rooms and restrooms are by design a place of segregation.
Fellas, I'm not trying to troll or anything but I'm having a hard time understanding this. I've always believed biology and birth is where the distinction of boy/girl comes from. Help me understand.
This is an issue of sexuality not gender. What you have between your legs doesn't go into play as to what is in your mind. Do you think what is in between your legs is more relevant than what is in a person's head and heart? People are concerned because they don't want some boy with a penis that wears makeup around their naked daughter, all the while it is a lot more likely that their son or daughter is sharing a locker room with someone who's gay.
IMO if someone, especially a teenager, is identifying as transgender what they are going through is much more heavy than that person seeing my daughter's tits. I'm guessing the locker room, any locker room, isn't a comfortable place for that person.
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I get that MIR, I do. I don't think this is some elaborate slow play for some bro to get his jollies. And no, what's downtown does not define who you are, but its not irrelevant either. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect that teenage girls can go to the bathroom and change clothes at school without a person with a penis present. This young person is not a martyr.
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We should ban male coaches too. What if my daughter has to use the restroom during half time? Also small schools need to build more locker rooms. I can't tell you how many times we had to share locker rooms with the girls players. Sometimes I'd even hear them pee and see them wash their hands.
People need to get over themselves. Seriously. If there is inappropriate behavior it should properly dealt with. Otherwise, who gives a crap? If someone is that worried about someone checking out there daughter or son. Keep them out of all sports. God forbid a homosexual teammate see them naked or hear them crap. Which has a lot higher likelihood than this student slinging their dong all over the locker room. Who cares someone who doesn't have to is squatting to pee in a stall next to them. I'm sure this student dislikes a penis in the locker and bathroom more than anyone.
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I dont get this. Are these dads afraid this kid has a bigger weasel than they do?
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It isn't crazy to not want a boy in the girls locker room.
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This is it. THIS is where I draw the line. THIS is where I make my stand. I'M GOING TO BE A PERSON OF IDEAS.
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Good for you Spracne.
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“The way I was raised, I have no problem with a transgender, but he shouldn’t be in the women’s locker room until he has the surgery,” said parent Greg Wilson, according to local news Web site the Leader.
When you think about it, what difference does the surgery really make? I guess he's concerned about Lila having a penis that could be used to rape the other girls? I'm trying to understand here.
I don't understand how people don't believe in evolution when we hear most humans talk every day. Holy rough ridin' crap. "She'll be good once she cuts her dick off." I mean Jesus rough ridin' Christ.
I read the term "intact male" in The New York Times.
Mr. Good said he got involved after hearing about a female student who encountered “an intact male” in the girls’ locker room.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us/teenagers-protest-a-transgender-students-use-of-the-girls-bathroom.html?referrer=&_r=0
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I hope she has a good support system. Couldn't imagine what it's like. My aunt(retired university professor) has helped several students traverse this (whatever you want to call it) process and she is amazed at the courage in every situation.
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I get that MIR, I do. I don't think this is some elaborate slow play for some bro to get his jollies. And no, what's downtown does not define who you are, but its not irrelevant either. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect that teenage girls can go to the bathroom and change clothes at school without a person with a penis present. This young person is not a martyr.
You've yet to articulate why having "a penis present" needs to be the prevailing factor here. Are units some kind of robotic lust monster, like 21st century sirens? I changed in sports locker rooms for every sports season for every year of middle school and high school and I had no idea what any of my former teammate's crank looked like, not sure why this has to be any different for girls. If I wanted to see what someone else's junk looked like I could have looked, I made a choice not to my life was unaffected. I'm sure I had a teammate or two who were more curious than I and had the urge to look, and I am sure they don't bear any scars from meat peeping. I don't know why girls can't be trusted to treat penises in the locker room any differently than boys do. Locker rooms are awkward for most people, I'm nearly 40 years old and I still am not comfortable in a locker room.
Look I acknowledge how this can be complicated for some, maybe even most people, but if one can't articulate what the issue is beyond, "but it's a penis," then there should be some further introspection as to what the issue is here. Can you honestly say you would have the same objection if this was a girl transitioning to a boy and wanted to change with his male teammates?
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I, for some reason, reframed this conversation to be a transgendered person on a sports team and that is not what's happening here. I am sorry for doing that, it was unintentional. That admittedly would likely be an easier situation to deal with than this one is. However, it still really shouldn't be a big deal for two reasons.
1. The most obvious is that girls restrooms have individual stalls. There isn't a scenario where the girls would be unwillingly exposed to penis nor would they be in the position if having to use the toilet with Lila watching. So again I ask what's the real issue here?
2. These people are conflating gender with sexuality. I need someone to tell me why they would be be okay with a gay male using urinals in a boys bathroom but not okay with a transgendered girl using a stall in a girls bathroom? I'm sure many of these people would also object to a gay boy using the boys bathroom but there's no way they would be so comfortable being as vocal about that. I'm also fairly certain that these same people would not have as much of a problem with a gay girl using the girls bathroom.
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I posted a fantastic photoshop in this thread but totally effed up the delivery. Was really excited to post it too. :(
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I posted a fantastic photoshop in this thread but totally effed up the delivery. Was really excited to post it too. :(
I liked it.
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When I was in high school, after gym class we were required to take a shower....and the shower was one big communal shower with a pole in the middle of the room with about 4 shower heads on it so there were 4 girls standing around it totally naked and then another 4 naked girls over on the other side of the communal shower room....
I think it would have been pretty hard to not see if one of the girls had a penis.
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Go on...
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Go on...
I never saw a penis in that locker room. No male coaches ever came into that locker room either.
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If you're staring at someone's genitalia in the locker room you are a weirdo. No matter the gender identity or sexual preference.
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When I was in high school, after gym class we were required to take a shower....and the shower was one big communal shower with a pole in the middle of the room with about 4 shower heads on it so there were 4 girls standing around it totally naked and then another 4 naked girls over on the other side of the communal shower room....
I think it would have been pretty hard to not see if one of the girls had a penis.
We had two different sets of locker rooms/showers and the old showers were set up like that. I still don't remember looking down and seeing peens. I can see how this will make it impossible not to see hoots though.
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I get that MIR, I do. I don't think this is some elaborate slow play for some bro to get his jollies. And no, what's downtown does not define who you are, but its not irrelevant either. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect that teenage girls can go to the bathroom and change clothes at school without a person with a penis present. This young person is not a martyr.
You've yet to articulate why having "a penis present" needs to be the prevailing factor here. Are units some kind of robotic lust monster, like 21st century sirens? I changed in sports locker rooms for every sports season for every year of middle school and high school and I had no idea what any of my former teammate's crank looked like, not sure why this has to be any different for girls. If I wanted to see what someone else's junk looked like I could have looked, I made a choice not to my life was unaffected. I'm sure I had a teammate or two who were more curious than I and had the urge to look, and I am sure they don't bear any scars from meat peeping. I don't know why girls can't be trusted to treat penises in the locker room any differently than boys do. Locker rooms are awkward for most people, I'm nearly 40 years old and I still am not comfortable in a locker room.
Look I acknowledge how this can be complicated for some, maybe even most people, but if one can't articulate what the issue is beyond, "but it's a penis," then there should be some further introspection as to what the issue is here. Can you honestly say you would have the same objection if this was a girl transitioning to a boy and wanted to change with his male teammates?
MIR, come on bud. Its not that people are lust monsters or can't be trusted or anything else. If it makes a girl uncomfortable to have a person of the opposite sex in the bathroom or locker room then the school should honor that. Really no other reason needs to be said. JHMO.
I mean, locker rooms and restrooms are by design, places of segregation. No one is saying "Hey I won't be in English class with this kid" or something.
Society has segregated personal times for a long time, and I think that's ok.
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I get that MIR, I do. I don't think this is some elaborate slow play for some bro to get his jollies. And no, what's downtown does not define who you are, but its not irrelevant either. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect that teenage girls can go to the bathroom and change clothes at school without a person with a penis present. This young person is not a martyr.
You've yet to articulate why having "a penis present" needs to be the prevailing factor here. Are units some kind of robotic lust monster, like 21st century sirens? I changed in sports locker rooms for every sports season for every year of middle school and high school and I had no idea what any of my former teammate's crank looked like, not sure why this has to be any different for girls. If I wanted to see what someone else's junk looked like I could have looked, I made a choice not to my life was unaffected. I'm sure I had a teammate or two who were more curious than I and had the urge to look, and I am sure they don't bear any scars from meat peeping. I don't know why girls can't be trusted to treat penises in the locker room any differently than boys do. Locker rooms are awkward for most people, I'm nearly 40 years old and I still am not comfortable in a locker room.
Look I acknowledge how this can be complicated for some, maybe even most people, but if one can't articulate what the issue is beyond, "but it's a penis," then there should be some further introspection as to what the issue is here. Can you honestly say you would have the same objection if this was a girl transitioning to a boy and wanted to change with his male teammates?
MIR, come on bud. Its not that people are lust monsters or can't be trusted or anything else. If it makes a girl uncomfortable to have a person of the opposite sex in the bathroom or locker room then the school should honor that. Really no other reason needs to be said. JHMO.
I mean, locker rooms and restrooms are by design, places of segregation. No one is saying "Hey I won't be in English class with this kid" or something.
Society has segregated personal times for a long time, and I think that's ok.
Cartier, how many high schoolers are comfortable being in a locker room with people of the same gender? So you move Lila to the boys locker room, then the parents of the boys protest because their kids are uncomfortable sharing a locker room with a gay boy, what then? If comfort was the standard then no one should use locker rooms.
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95% uncomfortable, and probably 5% weirds to answer your question MIR
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actually probably 99% uncomfortable
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Right, so why now is that a standard being used to trample someone's rights?
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Right, so why now is that a standard being used to trample someone's rights?
well, why are locker rooms and bathrooms even segregated at all?
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I really do appreciate this discussion MIR. I'm not trying to troll or "win" I just want to better understand all sides of this one.
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Right, so why now is that a standard being used to trample someone's rights?
well, why are locker rooms and bathrooms even segregated at all?
Yeah, this is my point. If the reason for separate locker rooms isn't so that girls don't have to look at ugly penises then what is the reason?
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the whole idea of forcing children to get wet and naked together is weird, regardless of gender. i guess we just got used to it cause tradition. put up some rough ridin' stalls, you cheapo sickos. you don't make people crap in full view of their classmates, taking a shower should be the same.
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All the school remodels I've seen in the last 10 years have put in individual shower stalls.
Also I don't think mandatory showering is as prevalent now as when grandma gooch was in school. It wasn't forced when I was in school
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All the school remodels I've seen in the last 10 years have put in individual shower stalls.
Also I don't think mandatory showering is as prevalent now as when grandma gooch was in school. It wasn't forced when I was in school
kids now have it so easy.
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I took weightlifting as one of my gym classes. Guess what... No other girls, so I had the locker room all to myself.
So maybe Lila could enroll in weightlifting as her gym class.
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Social Services should just go ahead and take the kids away from those parents complaining immediately.
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the whole idea of forcing children to get wet and naked together is weird, regardless of gender. i guess we just got used to it cause tradition. put up some rough ridin' stalls, you cheapo sickos. you don't make people crap in full view of their classmates, taking a shower should be the same.
Yes. It should be noted that this girl isn't in PE, so she really just wants to use the girls' restrooms. As I said earlier, who gives a crap about that?
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the whole idea of forcing children to get wet and naked together is weird, regardless of gender. i guess we just got used to it cause tradition. put up some rough ridin' stalls, you cheapo sickos. you don't make people crap in full view of their classmates, taking a shower should be the same.
Yes. It should be noted that this girl isn't in PE, so she really just wants to use the girls' restrooms. As I said earlier, who gives a crap about that?
My understanding was that she isn't currently enrolled in PE, but she does want to be allowed to use the girls locker room - and then she might enroll in a PE class the next semester....not sure.
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I get that MIR, I do. I don't think this is some elaborate slow play for some bro to get his jollies. And no, what's downtown does not define who you are, but its not irrelevant either. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect that teenage girls can go to the bathroom and change clothes at school without a person with a penis present. This young person is not a martyr.
You've yet to articulate why having "a penis present" needs to be the prevailing factor here. Are units some kind of robotic lust monster, like 21st century sirens? I changed in sports locker rooms for every sports season for every year of middle school and high school and I had no idea what any of my former teammate's crank looked like, not sure why this has to be any different for girls. If I wanted to see what someone else's junk looked like I could have looked, I made a choice not to my life was unaffected. I'm sure I had a teammate or two who were more curious than I and had the urge to look, and I am sure they don't bear any scars from meat peeping. I don't know why girls can't be trusted to treat penises in the locker room any differently than boys do. Locker rooms are awkward for most people, I'm nearly 40 years old and I still am not comfortable in a locker room.
Look I acknowledge how this can be complicated for some, maybe even most people, but if one can't articulate what the issue is beyond, "but it's a penis," then there should be some further introspection as to what the issue is here. Can you honestly say you would have the same objection if this was a girl transitioning to a boy and wanted to change with his male teammates?
MIR, come on bud. Its not that people are lust monsters or can't be trusted or anything else. If it makes a girl uncomfortable to have a person of the opposite sex in the bathroom or locker room then the school should honor that. Really no other reason needs to be said. JHMO.
I mean, locker rooms and restrooms are by design, places of segregation. No one is saying "Hey I won't be in English class with this kid" or something.
Society has segregated personal times for a long time, and I think that's ok.
Would you have a problem with Lila in the locker room if her penis was chopped off?
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the whole idea of forcing children to get wet and naked together is weird, regardless of gender.
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FYI they don't chop off wieners
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FYI they don't chop off wieners
Yeah how do people not know this? It was on a South Park episode for goodness sake. Inside out.
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FYI they don't chop off wieners
Yeah how do people not know this? It was on a South Park episode for goodness sake. Inside out.
Cartier is new to this, I'm speaking in terms he can understand.
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My mind is blown that MIR didn't see weens in locker rooms... How does that even work?
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I didn't really see weens either. I mean, I'm sure I did with my peripheral vision. But I don't count my peripheral vision when checking out a lady.
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The only penis I specifically remember seeing was the uncut kid, but I'm sure other dongs crossed my path of vision
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I am sure you all saw a ton of dongs and you have just repressed the memories because it was so traumatic.
I saw lots of boobs in my locker room.
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I would not say a ton, people were rarely in less than underwear, but I didn't grow up in Coffeyville
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There were a few weirdos at my school who refused to get into the showers. That's fine if your gym class is during the last period of the day, but you just smell terrible otherwise. Nobody would willingly stand or sit within 6 feet of those guys.
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I would not say a ton, people were rarely in less than underwear, but I didn't grow up in Coffeyville
Well, like I said we were required to take communal showers.
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My mind is blown that MIR didn't see weens in locker rooms... How does that even work?
How often do you notice the groin area of your coworkers? Maybe it's different for tall dudes? I'm 6'3" maybe my crank was swinging in everyone else's face? :dunno:
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I'm 6-1 and I notice penises in the locker room constantly. So far I haven't been threatened by a single one.
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I'm 6-1 and I notice penises in the locker room constantly. So far I haven't been threatened by a single one.
Oh, unfortunately I notice them now, I was talking about then. I notice them now because old men make no effort not to swing around. We have a TV in our locker room and we have dudes that will stand in front of the TV with their wangs out. That absolutely does not happen in a high school locker room. I still wear my towel around my waist as soon as I get out of the shower.
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My mind is blown that MIR didn't see weens in locker rooms... How does that even work?
How often do you notice the groin area of your coworkers? Maybe it's different for tall dudes? I'm 6'3" maybe my crank was swinging in everyone else's face? :dunno:
Specifically, not often, but if i see them from more than a few feet away, it's more than a face in my field of vision. If they were naked for some reason, I (and every human being honest with themselves) would almost certainly notice their groin area more.
6'2" fellow face-crank swinger here
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I think eyes down, glancing at penis is probably less awkward than nude eye contact.
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I don't think I've ever really cared whether other people were naked or I was naked. It's a body. I've seen plenty.
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If you're staring at someone's genitalia in the locker room you are a weirdo. No matter the gender identity or sexual preference.
There's a difference in staring at and seeing. Been in locker rooms all throughout my life. I've seen plenty. Not that big of a deal to me to see naked people in a locker room. Or really anywhere for that matter.
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If you are a guy and you see a penis, no big deal. You already know what a penis looks like and see one every day.
If you are a girl who has never seen a penis before and you are forced to see one against your will, you are like "WTF! AUGHHH! I feel so violated!"
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If you are a guy and you see a penis, no big deal. You already know what a penis looks like and see one every day.
If you are a girl who has never seen a penis before and you are forced to see one against your will, you are like "WTF! AUGHHH! I feel so violated!"
I don't disagree with you. My point was more to the comment about staring at genitalia.
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Right, so why now is that a standard being used to trample someone's rights?
well, why are locker rooms and bathrooms even segregated at all?
Yeah, this is my point. If the reason for separate locker rooms isn't so that girls don't have to look at ugly penises then what is the reason?
Misandry.
It's normal and logical that society doesn't cater to .3% of the population. Would be like if an ethnic group got angry and demanded everything to be in English and their native language. That doesn't happen, if you belong to some niche group, you make do. It sounds like the school tried to make do, but that wasn't enough. Think it's selfish on her part and part social issue whoring.
So part of this trans movement is for tgirls to be treated as women? In my opinion they'll always be different. Even though mind can be 100% girl, their bodies never will be. In Thailand ladyboys are considered as a 3rd sex, and they accept it. Don't know what they do for restrooms though. Fun fact, in Chinese, ladyboy translates to people monster. Side fun fact, lobster translates to dragon shrimp.
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Some kid at my hs got a boner in the shower, and then transferred schools after being relentlessly made fun of.
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Is this the appropriate thread to ask what the difference between a boy and a girl is?
I vote biological sex, but I think that makes me politically incorrect.
Not really, but you need to better define biological. Are you sticking to morphology (physical features) or endocrinology and neurology? The latter two would yield a very different definition for gender/sex than the former. Know your science, bruh.
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It would seem that a majority of posters in this thread think that high schoolers would behave like 40 year old adults.
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It would seem that a majority of posters in this thread think that high schoolers would behave like 40 year old adults.
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I think most of the people in this thread acknowledge a locker room is awkward as hell for high schoolers regardless of situation.