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Title: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: ednksu on February 06, 2015, 11:21:33 AM
http://cjonline.com/news/2015-02-05/legislation-bans-professors-using-titles-newspaper-columns

newspapers are tools of the devil and liberals.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 11:25:26 AM
That's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 11:36:53 AM
I agree. When a professor sends out a tweet calling for the slaughtering of children of NRA members, he/she should def be allowed to use their title.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 11:39:02 AM
I agree. When a professor sends out a tweet calling for the slaughtering of children of NRA members, he/she should def be allowed to use their title.

Yes, absolutely.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: CNS on February 06, 2015, 11:41:24 AM
Good way to sap authority from sources of any given article.   I mean, wgaf if some rando provides a quote on any given subject, but if a prof of econ is cited in an article on Sam's dumbass tax ideas, then Sam has more blowback to worry about.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Cire on February 06, 2015, 11:51:18 AM
America, freedom hating republicans
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: nicname on February 06, 2015, 12:17:54 PM
Ridiculous. I don't think this could pass the high courts.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: star seed 7 on February 06, 2015, 12:32:20 PM
Members of government should not be allowed to use their titles either then
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 12:35:28 PM
Good way to sap authority from sources of any given article.   I mean, wgaf if some rando provides a quote on any given subject, but if a prof of econ is cited in an article on Sam's dumbass tax ideas, then Sam has more blowback to worry about.

Totally. When "David Guth" tweets "blood is on the hands of the #NRA. Next time, let it be YOUR sons and daughters" I'm all like wgaf? :dunno: But when "Associate Professor of Journalism David Guth" tweets it I for one sit up and take notice! :runaway:

Srsly though - I'm not sure what's funnier, the stupidity of this bill or how outraged the libtards get over such a stupid bill.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: ChiComCat on February 06, 2015, 12:54:11 PM
I think job title is fair game but if you mention the institution you work for then your workplace should be able to dictate their own policy.  That should go for someone working at a gas station same as someone working at K-State.

K-S-U cracks me up: "Freedom of speech for state employees?  Who cares, doesn't matter."  "THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE THE KOCH BROTHERS FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OMG! TYRANNY!!!"
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 01:02:53 PM
I think job title is fair game but if you mention the institution you work for then your workplace should be able to dictate their own policy.  That should go for someone working at a gas station same as someone working at K-State.

K-S-U cracks me up: "Freedom of speech for state employees?  Who cares, doesn't matter."  "THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE THE KOCH BROTHERS FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OMG! TYRANNY!!!"

I don't think I ever said anything like that about the Kochs. I have noted, on several occasions, how strange it is that the libtards have turned the Kochs into conservative bogeymen when they're actual libertarians. They have the same views on crony capitalism as the OWS crowd.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 06, 2015, 02:36:08 PM
I think job title is fair game but if you mention the institution you work for then your workplace should be able to dictate their own policy.  That should go for someone working at a gas station same as someone working at K-State.

K-S-U cracks me up: "Freedom of speech for state employees?  Who cares, doesn't matter."  "THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE THE KOCH BROTHERS FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OMG! TYRANNY!!!"

I don't think I ever said anything like that about the Kochs. I have noted, on several occasions, how strange it is that the libtards have turned the Kochs into conservative bogeymen when they're actual libertarians. They have the same views on crony capitalism as the OWS crowd.

For all the money the Kochs spend in conveying messages, they really don't do a very good job of letting people know where they stand.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2015, 02:53:45 PM
http://cjonline.com/news/2015-02-05/legislation-bans-professors-using-titles-newspaper-columns

newspapers are tools of the devil and liberals.

Seems extremely thin skinned. Surprised the libtards don't support it. They love to crush freedom of speech (see the irs, citizens united, fairness doctrine, etc. etc.)
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: CNS on February 06, 2015, 02:59:02 PM
I think job title is fair game but if you mention the institution you work for then your workplace should be able to dictate their own policy.  That should go for someone working at a gas station same as someone working at K-State.

K-S-U cracks me up: "Freedom of speech for state employees?  Who cares, doesn't matter."  "THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE THE KOCH BROTHERS FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OMG! TYRANNY!!!"

I don't think I ever said anything like that about the Kochs. I have noted, on several occasions, how strange it is that the libtards have turned the Kochs into conservative bogeymen when they're actual libertarians. They have the same views on crony capitalism as the OWS crowd.
I could gaf,  but you have def made the direct comparison of campaign contribution to freedom of speech.  More than once. 
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2015, 03:02:33 PM
Have you guys seen "Hillary: The Movie"?  Probably not, because freedom of speech is only for democrats.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: ChiComCat on February 06, 2015, 05:35:57 PM
Have you guys seen "Hillary: The Movie"?  Probably not, because freedom of speech is only for democrats.

Is that the biographical movie for CNN that was cancelled because republicans were pissed?  Seems like it was 'pubs stomping on freedom of speech there too.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 06, 2015, 05:57:52 PM
Have you guys seen "Hillary: The Movie"?  Probably not, because freedom of speech is only for democrats.

Is that the biographical movie for CNN that was cancelled because republicans were pissed?  Seems like it was 'pubs stomping on freedom of speech there too.

If you think CNN is citiznes united, and Hillary is a pissed of pub, then yes
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: ChiComCat on February 06, 2015, 05:58:53 PM
Have you guys seen "Hillary: The Movie"?  Probably not, because freedom of speech is only for democrats.

Is that the biographical movie for CNN that was cancelled because republicans were pissed?  Seems like it was 'pubs stomping on freedom of speech there too.

If you think CNN is citiznes united, and Hillary is a pissed of pub, then yes

Seems 6 of one half a dozen of the other when the 'pubs got a documentary and mini-series on her cancelled
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2015, 06:02:54 PM
Virgil Peck is a disgusting racist.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 06, 2015, 11:21:02 PM
I think job title is fair game but if you mention the institution you work for then your workplace should be able to dictate their own policy.  That should go for someone working at a gas station same as someone working at K-State.

K-S-U cracks me up: "Freedom of speech for state employees?  Who cares, doesn't matter."  "THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE THE KOCH BROTHERS FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OMG! TYRANNY!!!"

I don't think I ever said anything like that about the Kochs. I have noted, on several occasions, how strange it is that the libtards have turned the Kochs into conservative bogeymen when they're actual libertarians. They have the same views on crony capitalism as the OWS crowd.
I could gaf,  but you have def made the direct comparison of campaign contribution to freedom of speech.  More than once.

Oh sure, I definitely believe that. I don't think I've ever made that point specifically about the Kochs, but I do agree that freedom of speech includes freedom to spend money on speech.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2015, 08:20:12 AM
If an institution at it's sole discretion wants to have a policy, then that's fine and to be hashed out internally at the institution.

Why does there need to be legislation?   

I also concur that if non real world living academics want to take the time in between planning their next sabbatical to tweet out absurdities . . . then by all means let them do it and worry about the ramifications after-the-fact.

 

Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: renocat on February 07, 2015, 09:39:13 AM
Professors do not speak for the university in such statements.  Its okay if they clearly state its their opinion and they don't represent the school.  Second this should be handled by an internal school policy not a law that can be screwed up by a court or regulator.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: 06wildcat on February 07, 2015, 01:31:13 PM
If an institution at it's sole discretion wants to have a policy, then that's fine and to be hashed out internally at the institution.

Why does there need to be legislation?   

I also concur that if non real world living academics want to take the time in between planning their next sabbatical to tweet out absurdities . . . then by all means let them do it and worry about the ramifications after-the-fact.

Never would have guessed Dax was so anti-intelligence. Sad, really.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 07, 2015, 01:48:08 PM
Guys, it's totally okay for corporations and the wealthy to engage in free speech and make campaign donations and form PACs, as long as they are democrats.  When conservatives get into the mix, the speech must be outlawed. This is what true free speech is.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 07, 2015, 01:48:59 PM
In a neo-fascist police state
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2015, 08:43:35 AM
How is commenting that certain academic types don't live in the real world anti-intelligence?   LOL, absurd.


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Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Headinjun on February 09, 2015, 01:26:20 AM
I think job title is fair game but if you mention the institution you work for then your workplace should be able to dictate their own policy.  That should go for someone working at a gas station same as someone working at K-State.

K-S-U cracks me up: "Freedom of speech for state employees?  Who cares, doesn't matter."  "THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE THE KOCH BROTHERS FREEDOM OF SPEECH, OMG! TYRANNY!!!"

I don't think I ever said anything like that about the Kochs. I have noted, on several occasions, how strange it is that the libtards have turned the Kochs into conservative bogeymen when they're actual libertarians. They have the same views on crony capitalism as the OWS crowd.
I could gaf,  but you have def made the direct comparison of campaign contribution to freedom of speech.  More than once.

Oh sure, I definitely believe that. I don't think I've ever made that point specifically about the Kochs, but I do agree that freedom of speech includes freedom to spend money on speech.

Bribing people with enrichment to sway the laws in your favor should not be considered free speech, but more of an unfair advantage.

It would be nice to have real solutions that were based off of the merits of ideas.

Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 09, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
LOL, at the notion that any money spent on politics is for any reason other than manipulate policy for one's own benefit.  My god
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 09, 2015, 09:00:52 AM
I'll put this here. http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21174/ (http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21174/)
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2015, 11:38:33 AM
I'll put this here. http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21174/ (http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21174/)

There's $16K they'll never get back.



Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: star seed 7 on February 09, 2015, 12:22:06 PM
I'll put this here. http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21174/ (http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21174/)

What's the problem?
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: michigancat on February 09, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
I'll put this here. http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21174/ (http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21174/)

What's the problem?

I didn't know "gypped" referred to Gypsies, and now I do. I'd say that was $16k well spent.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: steve dave on February 09, 2015, 12:48:43 PM
I'll put this here. http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21174/ (http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21174/)

What's the problem?

I didn't know "gypped" referred to Gypsies, and now I do. I'd say that was $16k well spent.

yes, agreed
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2015, 12:56:43 PM
Dear (insert university/college here):

Gypped means Gypsies.

Please find my bill for $16K that is included in this mailing.

Warmest Regards:

Dax

P.S. Net 30 or there's a 1.5% late payment fee



Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: steve dave on February 09, 2015, 01:13:27 PM
Dear Dax:

We know.

We spent the money delivering the message to students, not researching the history of the word.

Sincerely:

insert university/college here

P.S. we sold your student loan to NelNet
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 09, 2015, 04:24:34 PM
Dear University,

You got gypped.  Enclosed is my bill for $15,999*.

Sincerely,
Sugar Dick

*denotes discount from usual charge.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2015, 07:53:46 PM
Dear Steve Dave:

We're sorry your (insert college/university name here) wastes a lot of money.

Enclosed you will find our hourly rate sheet and a step-by-step explanation of what we do save schools money.

Regards:

Dax

P.S.  For an extra $16K we'll remind you about the origins of the word:  Gypped




Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: star seed 7 on February 09, 2015, 08:05:30 PM
was it wasteful?  it's 30 cents or less per student and if it helps avoid even a single lawsuit then wouldn't it be worth it?
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: star seed 7 on February 09, 2015, 08:10:24 PM
what's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) is we actually do need to tell students that saying that stuff in a public setting is inappropriate, but the right will fight tooth and nail to keep raghead mommy a everyday term
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 09, 2015, 08:31:18 PM
was it wasteful?  it's 30 cents or less per student and if it helps avoid even a single lawsuit then wouldn't it be worth it?

DNR article, but there's no way the university would be held liable if a student said gypped. If a faculty member did, still no, because no quantifiable money damages.

I suppose if a superior went around saying gypped all day and a subordinate was a gypsy and felt uncomfortable to the point of quitting he could sue, but would still probably lose.

Regardless,  spending $16k per lesson in etymology is an egregious waste of resources. It's hilarious people would defend it.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: star seed 7 on February 09, 2015, 08:34:41 PM
that's not at all what the campaign was about
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2015, 08:35:14 PM
lib   :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 09, 2015, 08:37:22 PM
that's not at all what the campaign was about

Well, that's what I get for trying to formulate context from your whimsical posts.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: star seed 7 on February 09, 2015, 08:40:15 PM
that's not at all what the campaign was about

Well, that's what I get for trying to formulate context from your whimsical posts.

please provide a link where i said anything about etymology
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 09, 2015, 08:45:12 PM
that's not at all what the campaign was about

Well, that's what I get for trying to formulate context from your whimsical posts.

please provide a link where i said anything about etymology

Okay
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 10, 2015, 11:10:57 AM
Liberals -- Finding solutions to problems that don't exist.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 10, 2015, 11:12:42 AM
Liberals -- Finding solutions to problems that don't exist.

These are conservatives, though.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 10, 2015, 11:55:30 AM
Liberals -- Finding solutions to problems that don't exist.

It aligns well with their conjecture v. facts debates.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: DQ12 on February 10, 2015, 12:05:44 PM
Liberals -- Finding solutions to problems that don't exist.

It aligns well with their conjecture v. facts debates.
Didn't you just admit you didn't read the article?  And now you're criticizing people for arguing based on conjecture?
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 10, 2015, 12:39:50 PM
Liberals -- Finding solutions to problems that don't exist.

It aligns well with their conjecture v. facts debates.
Didn't you just admit you didn't read the article?  And now you're criticizing people for arguing based on conjecture?

No, I opined that the university wouldn't be liable if a student said gypped.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: DQ12 on February 10, 2015, 12:51:08 PM
Liberals -- Finding solutions to problems that don't exist.

It aligns well with their conjecture v. facts debates.
Didn't you just admit you didn't read the article?  And now you're criticizing people for arguing based on conjecture?

No, I opined that the university wouldn't be liable if a student said gypped.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you on that point, but you're still missing the point and breadth of the campaign because you didn't read the article.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 10, 2015, 03:09:12 PM
I know, I'm wondering if I'll survive.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 10, 2015, 03:12:30 PM
Quote
Words declared unacceptable through the campaign include “crazy,” “insane,” “Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!),” “gay,” “tranny,” “gypped,” “illegal alien,” “mommy,” “ghetto” and “raghead.” Phrases such as “I want to die” and “that test raped me” are also verboten.

So if you complain about how "crazy" it is that "illegal aliens" get in-state tuition, is that automatic grounds for expulsion, or is it more of a three strikes policy?
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: michigancat on February 10, 2015, 03:18:26 PM
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Words declared unacceptable through the campaign include “crazy,” “insane,” “Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!),” “gay,” “tranny,” “gypped,” “illegal alien,” “mommy,” “ghetto” and “raghead.” Phrases such as “I want to die” and “that test raped me” are also verboten.

So if you complain about how "crazy" it is that "illegal aliens" get in-state tuition, is that automatic grounds for expulsion, or is it more of a three strikes policy?

Ted Pickles is also confused!

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsnag.gy%2F00Hds.jpg&hash=e4d66fefe64857b153ef10bf994120f48e39b8e2)
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 10, 2015, 05:21:50 PM
I bet if somebody sends a link of this inclusive language campaign to governor Brownback, we can get this sort of thing outlawed in Kansas.
Title: Re: Freedom of speech? Not for you ivory tower lib profs, but you're okay coach
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 11, 2015, 12:41:57 AM
LOL, illegal alien is the only non-misnomer in the whole "undocumented citizen" PC campaign.