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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 10, 2018, 05:36:57 PM
But if they can deny all knowledge, ain't nothing going to happen to them.
The NCAA doesn't care about cheating, and any school with some money and good lawyers can put the NCAA in its place, easy.
But, TuckNation is gonna raise that "doin it the right way" banner all day long and twice on Sunday.
In this day and age, you have to be a Pure T Dumbass like Hugh Freeze to get busted by the NCAA.
I mean look at these writer dorks trying to say there's anything to this.
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Joe Monaco, director of strategic communications for the University of Kansas, issued a statement responding to the indictment.
“Earlier today, we learned that the University of Kansas is named as a victim in a federal indictment," his statement read. "The indictment does not suggest any wrongdoing by the university, its coaches or its staff. We will cooperate fully with investigators in this matter. Because this is an active investigation, it is not appropriate for us to comment further at this time.”
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Post by: renocat on April 10, 2018, 10:39:34 PM
I am like SteveDave I hope no Squawks get jail. They likely will have to vacate the final 4 designation since De Saliva was one of the Addis crooks.
Post by: gatoveintisiet on April 10, 2018, 11:39:59 PM
The conference will ignore for money. But I don’t know why conference members would take the floor against this sham of a program, let’m Have 18 forfeits.
Post by: renocat on April 10, 2018, 11:52:23 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2018, 08:12:48 AM
The NCAA will buy that KU has been victimized but make them vacate wins with any ineligible players.De Sousa is one of the guys, so take that banner down.
The conference will ignore for money. But I don’t know why conference members would take the floor against this sham of a program, let’m Have 18 forfeits.
Post by: Cire on April 11, 2018, 08:18:38 AM
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What does this mean for De Sousa's eligibility next year?Probably starting at the 5.
Post by: deputy dawg on April 11, 2018, 09:04:04 AM
Short version: KU knew or should have known there were payoffs, they aren't a "victim".
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 11, 2018, 10:40:54 AM
Clearly they were the victim.
T&P's Bill Self and all of our TSC bros/sis's
Post by: LickNeckey on April 11, 2018, 10:59:05 AM
:curse:
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#adidastoo
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 11, 2018, 03:46:10 PM
No doubt his words will be lifting and inspiring.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 11, 2018, 03:55:16 PM
Looking forward to Coach Self standing on the Phog statue speaking to the huddled masses of victimized KU fans holding candles.
No doubt his words will be lifting and inspiring.
Self isn't dumb enough to go on the offensive. He will keep quiet and not antagonize the FBI
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2018, 03:57:25 PM
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HawkMarket said... (original post)
Let's think about the epic size of the balls it would take by the KU coaching staff if they knew Silvio/handler was getting paid. The FBI bombshell report comes out around September of 17. Not an NCAA report, The FB freaking I with handcuffs and felonies etc. Very serious stuff. So 90ish days AFTER the report comes out and while the story is still hot they decide to rush a kid into school as a backup big off the bench KNOWING that they were at least knowledgeable of money changing hands. They actually try to get a kid in EARLY while all of this is going on. They don't decide to create distance, they decide to get him in as fast as they can. That doesn't mean it didn't happen but my god that's playing with fire and border line insane.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2018, 03:58:27 PM
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Dilly Dilly.
Finally someone had a simple, rational thought.
You're absolutely right. It would take colossal balls. Like John Daly-sized balls. "I realize the FBI is arresting people for this stuff....but f*** it. I'm going to play this kid I knew was illegally bribed to come here."
If the staff was aware in any capacity that this SDS thing happened to convince him to come here, you really think Bill Self would be stupid enough to rush his eligibility to get him on the court WHILE there's a new story every week about FBI wire tapping?
F*** no. Bill Self may not be a choir boy, but he's definitely not an idiot.
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2018, 04:00:24 PM
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if ku fans had to choose between a lifetime without bud light or a lifetime without reciting adam sandler quotes, which would they choose?Death
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Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2018, 04:26:23 PM
I asked this in a very long way on KSO, but for here, how does a company like adidas make money doing this stuff?I mean, it's just part of their recruiting budget, right?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 11, 2018, 04:27:05 PM
Looking forward to Coach Self standing on the Phog statue speaking to the huddled masses of victimized KU fans holding candles.
No doubt his words will be lifting and inspiring.
Self isn't dumb enough to go on the offensive. He will keep quiet and not antagonize the FBI
Oh, Coach Self is going to praise the FBI.
Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 04:27:52 PM
I asked this in a very long way on KSO, but for here, how does a company like adidas make money doing this stuff?
I mean, it's just part of their recruiting budget, right?
You mean as to adidas recruiting eventual official endorsers?
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2018, 04:28:47 PM
Yes, but also marketing for their apparel licensing deals, I'd guess.I asked this in a very long way on KSO, but for here, how does a company like adidas make money doing this stuff?
I mean, it's just part of their recruiting budget, right?
You mean as to adidas recruiting eventual official endorsers?
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Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 04:32:57 PM
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So I assume a shoe/apparel company like adidas has a primary motivation of selling more stuff and making more money. Maybe there's a very secondary pride motivation of outfitting winners while competitors outfit losers.
Is the driving factor then in paying prospective college athletes (or their families) to get them to a school that wears their stuff, with the expectation that consumers will see the stuff in action on those college teams and buy it?
Is it that there's a thought that a player who spends 4 years (or in the case of good basketball players, 9 months) wearing their stuff will then lead to them accepting an endorsement deal w/that company when they go pro over others, and having that endorsement will lead to strong sales to consumers? Is it that as unlikely as that seems, tossing $50-100K now at hundreds of kids for the off-chance one of them eventually becomes a market force and they'll have an advantage with him, is worth all the times the payment results in no benefit to sales?
How do the companies' deals w/the schools play into this? Is that the necessary step 1 in having a school to funnel kids to in order to start the above scenarios? Adidas made a giant deal with UW yesterday; it's hard to grasp how adidas gets value out of paying $120m over a decade (I'm sure a fair amount of that is in product that's worth like nothing to adidas itself).
I'll take any informed thoughts, but I mainly want @Jeffrey Martin's.
*They call JMart "Jeffrey Martin" over there
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2018, 04:39:10 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2018, 04:40:40 PM
It's like advertising/marketing 101 here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/under-armour-jordan-spieth-masters-win-2015-4
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2018, 04:42:14 PM
Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 04:45:20 PM
Kinda hard to understand due to poor writing, but yes. I'm sure it's both. And there are Excel workbooks out there that crunch the numbers and prove the profit zone. I'd bet mocat's life on it.
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You think there are a significant number of people who want to buy basketball shoes that buy adidas instead of nike because ku wears adidas? Like enough to justify whatever adidas legally pays ku as well as all of these unofficial payments?
Who has played at ku and gone pro and signed w/adidas because of their ku experience and has gone on to be someone that influences people's shoe-buying choices?
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2018, 04:48:46 PM
I don't keep tabs on such things, as I believe we should treat college sports as the semi-professional orgs they are. But reading between the lines, are you implying some sort of money laundering scheme between schools-->apparel cos.-->athletes?Kinda hard to understand due to poor writing, but yes. I'm sure it's both. And there are Excel workbooks out there that crunch the numbers and prove the profit zone. I'd bet mocat's life on it.
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You think there are a significant number of people who want to buy basketball shoes that buy adidas instead of nike because ku wears adidas? Like enough to justify whatever adidas legally pays ku as well as all of these unofficial payments?
Who has played at ku and gone pro and signed w/adidas because of their ku experience and has gone on to be someone that influences people's shoe-buying choices?
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Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 04:55:38 PM
I don't keep tabs on such things, as I believe we should treat college sports as the semi-professional orgs they are. But reading between the lines, are you implying some sort of money laundering scheme between schools-->apparel cos.-->athletes?
No. I'm trying to figure out what motivates non-nike companies, and I suppose nike also to an extent, to invest so much in kids if the endgame is for the kids to pick (not guaranteed) the company when they can get a legal endorsement deal. I suppose the answer could be that given how much a true superstar (Lebron, Jordan, Kobe) etc. could produce for a company, that spending money on all these kids is like buying lottery tickets.
I thought of Wiggins as being someone who'd have followed adidas' ku path to endorsement, and it looks like that isn't delivering the ROI.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/8/18/16167498/andrew-wiggins-signature-shoe-adidas-timberwolves-karl-anthony-towns
Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 04:57:47 PM
And Wiggins. Check out Embiid's quote: https://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/16/joel-embiid-marcus-smart-sign-adidas-endorsement-rookies
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Sorry, referenced a different Wiggins thing before I saw this post. But speaking to my skepticism of investing in college/pre-college kids for the prospect of getting them when they go pro, didn't Smart wear nike through his college career?
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2018, 05:04:33 PM
Yes, but it's by no means a "slam dunk" for these investors. $90K isn't that much money. This is a land grab for the big dogs. These players are potential properties. At 90K, you can afford to whiff on dozens of players. It's simple speculation, in my view.And Wiggins. Check out Embiid's quote: https://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/16/joel-embiid-marcus-smart-sign-adidas-endorsement-rookies
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Sorry, referenced a different Wiggins thing before I saw this post. But speaking to my skepticism of investing in college/pre-college kids for the prospect of getting them when they go pro, didn't Smart wear nike through his college career?
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Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 05:19:49 PM
Yes, but it's by no means a "slam dunk" for these investors. $90K isn't that much money. This is a land grab for the big dogs. These players are potential properties. At 90K, you can afford to whiff on dozens of players. It's simple speculation, in my view.
Yeah, that's the lottery ticket theory. But I'd almost think there'd be more value in buying $90K of actual lottery tickets than giving it to some of these kids who clearly will never sell a thing. I had to look up now whether de sousa was even on ku or if he was just someone they were recruiting.
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 11, 2018, 05:28:31 PM
So Adidas most likely got all of that investment back whether or not the kid makes it to the association. And if he does, then I'm sure Adidas probably got the kid or the kids handler to agree to future considerations should they someday be in the market for a shoe contract.
Seems like a no brainer, I dunno
Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 05:44:11 PM
So, what's your theory, if not simple biz economics?
That it must be worth giving up to $100k each to dozens (hundreds) of kids to route them to certain schools in order to have some perceived advantage in signing them as an eventual pro multiplied by the long shot chance they become a Lebron/KD type of market force. It doesn’t seem to me that math works, but it must unless i’m missing something.
Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 05:47:23 PM
Adidas probably recoups most, if not all of that 90k before the kid ever leaves college. I mean if Adidas is funneling talent to Adidas schools, that probably goes a long way in securing future contracts/merchandising with those schools. Plus, since they are sending higher talent to those schools it stands to reason that that schools would see an uptick in successful sports, which would lead to a larger fan base and more tee-shirts sold.
So Adidas most likely got all of that investment back whether or not the kid makes it to the association. And if he does, then I'm sure Adidas probably got the kid or the kids handler to agree to future considerations should they someday be in the market for a shoe contract.
Seems like a no brainer, I dunno
I’m skeptical that college sports, especially basketball, drives consumers’ decisions enough. When KSU was wearing Reebok and LA Gear, were regular EMAWs rocking those brands because of their love for the cats?
On that last part about agreements for future considerations, is the premise that the player/handler will be ethical on THAT deal?
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2018, 05:47:38 PM
Yeah, well, you don't have access to their books. If it didn't make financial sense, I gotta believe they wouldn't be doing this. These aren't mom-and-pop shops. They hire the best folks. Probs even a few from the Wharton School!So, what's your theory, if not simple biz economics?
That it must be worth giving up to $100k each to dozens (hundreds) of kids to route them to certain schools in order to have some perceived advantage in signing them as an eventual pro multiplied by the long shot chance they become a Lebron/KD type of market force. It doesn’t seem to me that math works, but it must unless i’m missing something.
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Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 05:53:27 PM
So, what's your theory, if not simple biz economics?
That it must be worth giving up to $100k each to dozens (hundreds) of kids to route them to certain schools in order to have some perceived advantage in signing them as an eventual pro multiplied by the long shot chance they become a Lebron/KD type of market force. It doesn’t seem to me that math works, but it must unless i’m missing something.
Yeah, well, you don't have access to their books. If it didn't make financial sense, I gotta believe they wouldn't be doing this. These aren't mom-and-pop shops. They hire the best folks. Probs even a few from the Wharton School!
Ok, rather than continued bbs speculation, I’ll work on getting the books and confirm it myself.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 11, 2018, 06:08:01 PM
Adidas probably recoups most, if not all of that 90k before the kid ever leaves college. I mean if Adidas is funneling talent to Adidas schools, that probably goes a long way in securing future contracts/merchandising with those schools. Plus, since they are sending higher talent to those schools it stands to reason that that schools would see an uptick in successful sports, which would lead to a larger fan base and more tee-shirts sold.
So Adidas most likely got all of that investment back whether or not the kid makes it to the association. And if he does, then I'm sure Adidas probably got the kid or the kids handler to agree to future considerations should they someday be in the market for a shoe contract.
Seems like a no brainer, I dunno
I’m skeptical that college sports, especially basketball, drives consumers’ decisions enough. When KSU was wearing Reebok and LA Gear, were regular EMAWs rocking those brands because of their love for the cats?
On that last part about agreements for future considerations, is the premise that the player/handler will be ethical on THAT deal?
I doubt consumers are buying a shoe bc their favorite college basketball team wears it, but they'll buy the tee shirts. As for the future considerations... I'm sure they find a way to get some leverage...I don't know anything about it but if it were me I would probably frame it as the money is given as a loan with some completely ridiculous interest rate with the condition that the loan would be forgiven so long as the kids agrees to never sign an endorsement with any of their competitors
Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 06:15:50 PM
As for the future considerations... I'm sure they find a way to get some leverage...I don't know anything about it but if it were me I would probably frame it as the money is given as a loan with some completely ridiculous interest rate with the condition that the loan would be forgiven so long as the kids agrees to never sign an endorsement with any of their competitors
And the kid could tell the company to eff off should he want to sign with a competitor, as the company can’t enforce the so-called loan agreement. It’s entirely is based on some trust factor between the two.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2018, 06:17:16 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 11, 2018, 06:21:32 PM
As for the future considerations... I'm sure they find a way to get some leverage...I don't know anything about it but if it were me I would probably frame it as the money is given as a loan with some completely ridiculous interest rate with the condition that the loan would be forgiven so long as the kids agrees to never sign an endorsement with any of their competitors
And the kid could tell the company to eff off should he want to sign with a competitor, as the company can’t enforce the so-called loan agreement. It’s entirely is based on some trust factor between the two.
Why couldn't they enforce it? If they issue a loan, even if the terms are absurd, if the kid or the kids legal guardian signs it then what is to keep Adidas from calling in the agreed upon loan?
Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 06:28:30 PM
As for the future considerations... I'm sure they find a way to get some leverage...I don't know anything about it but if it were me I would probably frame it as the money is given as a loan with some completely ridiculous interest rate with the condition that the loan would be forgiven so long as the kids agrees to never sign an endorsement with any of their competitors
And the kid could tell the company to eff off should he want to sign with a competitor, as the company can’t enforce the so-called loan agreement. It’s entirely is based on some trust factor between the two.
Why couldn't they enforce it? If they issue a loan, even if the terms are absurd, if the kid or the kids legal guardian signs it then what is to keep Adidas from calling in the agreed upon loan?
The laws that the FBI are enforcing now.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 11, 2018, 06:35:24 PM
Particularly towards Keitzman.
Really takes the luster off of :tsc:
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Post by: Trim on April 11, 2018, 06:47:50 PM
Huh. So an amateur athlete is good at basketball... And in a completely unrelated incident the kids parents decide to purchase some merchandise from Adidas and opt to use in-house financing to finance the purchase, so Mom and Dad bought a $90k "one of a kind collectors item" and then if Adidas financial services LLC requires the terms of loan be repaid then the FBI can say sorry Adidas it is illegal of you to require them to pay this back?
I don't think the FBI would care about the paying back. It appears they definitely care about the transaction happening to begin with.
If you've come up with the magic lingo to pay players, then forget shoe companies, goEMAW can just start issuing loans for families to have platinum subscriptions here.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 11, 2018, 07:03:55 PM
Huh. So an amateur athlete is good at basketball... And in a completely unrelated incident the kids parents decide to purchase some merchandise from Adidas and opt to use in-house financing to finance the purchase, so Mom and Dad bought a $90k "one of a kind collectors item" and then if Adidas financial services LLC requires the terms of loan be repaid then the FBI can say sorry Adidas it is illegal of you to require them to pay this back?
I don't think the FBI would care about the paying back. It appears they definitely care about the transaction happening to begin with.
If you've come up with the magic lingo to pay players, then forget shoe companies, goEMAW can just start issuing loans for families to have platinum subscriptions here.
I dunno man, just seems like it would be very difficult to prove. Every day millions of people purchase goods and services and many of them use financing to do it. Seems like the FBI would have a near impossible task proving their case.
I'm a big fan of the gE platinum membership idea, however i can have no knowledge that such an entity does or does not exist as such knowledge would be inculpatory
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Post by: Trim on April 12, 2018, 07:37:07 AM
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KU’s hallowed basketball program is extremely valuable and marketable. To keep its luster, university officials should distance KU from tainted money and seek sponsorship from a different source after their original deal with Adidas expires next year.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article208641479.html#storylink=cpy
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 12, 2018, 09:15:13 AM
:lol:QuoteKU’s hallowed basketball program is extremely valuable and marketable. To keep its luster, university officials should distance KU from tainted money and seek sponsorship from a different source after their original deal with Adidas expires next year.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article208641479.html#storylink=cpy
That was so KansasCityEO/KUT-SHIRTEO
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 12, 2018, 09:19:53 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 12, 2018, 09:22:17 AM
BTW KU Karl thinks this is all a bunch of bullshit, and he'll never buy another Adidas 75% mark down item ever again.
(He will though)
Post by: Skipper44 on April 12, 2018, 09:26:59 AM
Nike, Adidas and UA combined for more than $50 billion in sales in 2016 -So, what's your theory, if not simple biz economics?
That it must be worth giving up to $100k each to dozens (hundreds) of kids to route them to certain schools in order to have some perceived advantage in signing them as an eventual pro multiplied by the long shot chance they become a Lebron/KD type of market force. It doesn’t seem to me that math works, but it must unless i’m missing something.
spreading a coupe mil around the top 50 every year may actually be the proverbial rounding error
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DajMnvSUMAAuDOY.jpg)Very good. Also that jayhawk always reminds me of this thing from super mario 2:
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on April 12, 2018, 09:58:55 AM
Post by: Trim on April 12, 2018, 09:59:45 AM
Nike, Adidas and UA combined for more than $50 billion in sales in 2016 -So, what's your theory, if not simple biz economics?
That it must be worth giving up to $100k each to dozens (hundreds) of kids to route them to certain schools in order to have some perceived advantage in signing them as an eventual pro multiplied by the long shot chance they become a Lebron/KD type of market force. It doesn’t seem to me that math works, but it must unless i’m missing something.
spreading a coupe mil around the top 50 every year may actually be the proverbial rounding error
Absolutely, but I'd distinguish Nike from the others. Nike's already won multiple times. Adidas and UA are still hoping for their investment in lottery tickets to hit. That's where I question for how long and how much they'd keep w/that strategy.
You also have to add in the money they're paying to schools to have places to stash their lottery tickets. But to your point, it's still not that much because I'm sure that out of, for example, the $197m over 12 years that ku puts out that they'll get from adidas, a decent amount of that is in product, which costs adidas essentially nothing.
Post by: TheProdigiousTalent on April 12, 2018, 10:05:19 AM
Anyone think that these payments were written in to KU's Adidas contract? Like 2% of the money given actually had an asterisk by it saying "2% to be retained by Adidas for "distribution and advertising" purposes decided by Adidas at a later date"... like KU getting a guarantee from Adidas that they will funnel money to players to keep them coming there?Yes. THIS is how it has to work. No way are players worth $100k to Adidas as potential stars. They're worth far more than that to these basketball programs and universities, though.
I would be very surprised if it's in the contract even implicitly. Just factored into the deal, I'd think.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on April 12, 2018, 10:15:22 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 12, 2018, 10:17:03 AM
There's no way Coach Self could have picked up on the sudden change in interest in KU by these guys after the alleged payouts from Adidas. I'm sure the KU stuff were all high fiving and fist pumping at their sudden good fortune, and now to a person they're likely really let down.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 12, 2018, 10:31:18 AM
Post by: Trim on April 12, 2018, 10:42:01 AM
https://twitter.com/ByJoeDavis/status/984451392143347715
Post by: deputy dawg on April 12, 2018, 12:09:15 PM
I suspect Coach Self is pretty hurt that his Adidas BFF went behind his back and did this stuff.
There's no way Coach Self could have picked up on the sudden change in interest in KU by these guys after the alleged payouts from Adidas. I'm sure the KU stuff were all high fiving and fist pumping at their sudden good fortune, and now to a person they're likely really let down.
Hell no, it wasn't Adidas money that brought those 5 star recruits to Lawrence, it was, in order:
1. The best college sports atmosphere in the entire country.
2. Massa Seff's incomparable magnetic personality
3. Harvard of the Plains
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Post by: Trim on April 12, 2018, 01:37:18 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 12, 2018, 01:39:40 PM
You guys are killing this thread by trying to figure out how marketing works and it's dreadful. Take it Wacky's world.
Wacky stop trying to funnel clicks and page views to wackys world.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 12, 2018, 01:46:25 PM
Post by: ben ji on April 12, 2018, 10:19:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DajMnvSUMAAuDOY.jpg)
I would like to purchase this for KU Karl in my office, when will this be available for purchase?
Post by: dal9 on April 12, 2018, 10:45:06 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 12, 2018, 10:59:23 PM
Post by: Justwin on April 13, 2018, 12:22:09 AM
lot of sour grapes ITT
My grapes are a lot more of the bitter sort.
Post by: TheProdigiousTalent on April 13, 2018, 03:06:23 AM
Post by: slackcat on April 13, 2018, 08:01:32 AM
lot of sour grapes ITT
My thoughts exactly. If oscar had followed Bill's lead the cats might have some banners to take down.
Post by: catastrophe on April 13, 2018, 09:57:36 AM
Anyone think that these payments were written in to KU's Adidas contract? Like 2% of the money given actually had an asterisk by it saying "2% to be retained by Adidas for "distribution and advertising" purposes decided by Adidas at a later date"... like KU getting a guarantee from Adidas that they will funnel money to players to keep them coming there?Yes. THIS is how it has to work. No way are players worth $100k to Adidas as potential stars. They're worth far more than that to these basketball programs and universities, though.
I would be very surprised if it's in the contract even implicitly. Just factored into the deal, I'd think.
This makes the most sense to me.
Although I’m also sure Adidas sees a lot of value in developing relationships with potential future clients. You think major advertising companies don’t have ridiculously high budgets for client development? I’m sure any apparel company would throw down $10k on the spot if they could just get a single one on one dinner with an NBA star. Obviously this is more speculative, but the relationship can be valuable even if the guy doesn’t turn into a star himself.
Post by: EMAWzifried on April 13, 2018, 05:41:34 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 13, 2018, 06:36:40 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/kansas-playing-victim-recruiting-scandal-rankling-many-college-basketball-204538312.html
Total trash article, but a MethU guy.
Garbage!
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 14, 2018, 07:47:48 AM
Post by: EMAWzifried on April 14, 2018, 10:16:06 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiet on April 15, 2018, 12:38:20 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 15, 2018, 08:12:49 AM
Take him to a professional wrestling match. Explain how the promoter, wrestlers, and officials work together to get over on the rubes.
nice
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 15, 2018, 01:30:57 PM
Besides BITB.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on April 15, 2018, 04:01:26 PM
Dakisch
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 15, 2018, 07:36:26 PM
That’s your lost
Post by: kso_FAN on April 16, 2018, 02:07:17 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on April 16, 2018, 03:00:42 PM
https://twitter.com/johnmartin929/status/985951348771512321?s=21
would they be eligible to play right away?
Post by: 'taterblast on April 16, 2018, 03:12:55 PM
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What victims get penalties? KU was defrauded. Not participating. Defrauded.
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I would bet money that Penny is in the dad's ear. Look how much the bad reporting by ESPN led to Arizona losing recruits. Negative recruiting works.
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Penny paying out cash to these guys...
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Well find the rough ridin' door and leave already
Post by: renocat on April 16, 2018, 03:27:04 PM
This article ponders Sousa being ruled ineligible.
I wonder will KU have to forfeit games he played in. Like NCAA semifinal.
Post by: kso_FAN on April 16, 2018, 04:31:14 PM
https://twitter.com/johnmartin929/status/985951348771512321?s=21
would they be eligible to play right away?
I don't think so and I doubt they would transfer, but the dad going on radio to talk about it is pretty funny.
Post by: MakeItRain on April 17, 2018, 09:28:44 PM
Can someone compile a list of members of the media who are the KU T-shirt nation crap list now?
Besides BITB.
Gary Parrish
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 02, 2018, 11:14:37 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 10, 2018, 10:10:40 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 10, 2018, 10:11:47 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 10, 2018, 10:17:23 AM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 10, 2018, 10:29:07 AM
Post by: pissclams on July 10, 2018, 12:39:29 PM
Post by: chum1 on July 10, 2018, 12:40:29 PM
Post by: EMAWforever on July 10, 2018, 12:58:24 PM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 10, 2018, 01:26:56 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on July 24, 2018, 08:59:36 PM
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article215457680.html
Tom
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 11:33:32 PM
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In addition, Girod put a provision in Long’s contract that stated if KU was put on probation or had NCAA restrictions in football, volleyball, men’s basketball or women’s basketball based on events that took place before July 4, 2018, the duration of Long’s contract would be extended “equal to the length of the penalties.”
“That language was ours in discussion with our consultant,” Girod said then. “Knowing of course that story (FBI investigation) is out there, that that conversation continues, we wanted to demonstrate our confidence in where we were with this and our ability to go through this and our belief we are not at risk in this.”
Do people actually believe this crap???
Post by: Trim on July 24, 2018, 11:51:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ByJoeDavis/status/1021941442917408769
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 04:41:08 PM
Kansas University is the victim, Kansas Athletics is the perp.
Post by: catastrophe on August 01, 2018, 01:10:47 PM
:emawkid:
https://twitter.com/ByJoeDavis/status/1021941442917408769
Very strange to see a victim that KU fans are not blaming for once.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2018, 09:50:04 AM
:emawkid:
https://twitter.com/ByJoeDavis/status/1021941442917408769
Very strange to see a victim that KU fans are not blaming for once.
hah
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 10:06:13 AM
The FBI's case into college basketball brought about mounds of documents of information. Previously, the NCAA did not allow for information and findings from outside investigations at established agencies to be used in its infractions process. Effective immediately, the NCAA and its Committee on Infractions can use information obtained in other probes as a means to an end for its own investigations. This will be implemented immediately by the NCAA with the schools currently caught up in the Department of Justice's case regarding multiple schools -- and alleged violations of multiple federal laws.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rules-changes-ncaa-makes-major-overhaul-to-rulebook-in-wake-of-fbi-probe/
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 11, 2018, 08:18:30 AM
Wonder if they'll retroactively apply their new agents are okay rule????
Lookout women's volleyball, the ncaa is gettin serious about cheating in men's bball.
Post by: bucket on October 01, 2018, 12:41:02 PM
Post by: meow meow on October 01, 2018, 05:15:12 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 04, 2018, 09:09:50 PM
https://twitter.com/TomKCTV5/status/1047958269984223232?s=19
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2018, 09:28:41 PM
https://twitter.com/DickieV/status/1049361902982365191?s=19
Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 09, 2018, 10:46:23 AM
:bwpopcorn:
https://twitter.com/DickieV/status/1049361902982365191?s=19
:impatient: :impatient: (ftp://:impatient: :impatient:)
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 04:15:44 PM
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1050121080621490176?s=19
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 04:21:09 PM
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1050122156150013963?s=19
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 10, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2018, 04:57:15 PM
Once these guys from Adidas get out of prison, we need to hire them, fantastic feel for talent, projection and fit.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2018, 04:57:55 PM
Nothing will happen
No way the NCAA can turn their head if this is true.
Post by: 8manpick on October 10, 2018, 05:14:31 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 10, 2018, 06:47:01 PM
De Sousa should be gone but that’s about it.Nothing will happen
No way the NCAA can turn their head if this is true.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 08:18:48 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 10, 2018, 08:27:32 PM
I dunno, bill self telling Adidas which players to pay seems problematic to me. :dunno:
If they have testimony that Bill directed Addidas to go pay a player to come to KU, I think Bill would be done. Surely they can’t have that tho
Obviously they would need to prove this beyond reasonable doubt, they can’t just Kavanaugh Bill ffs
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 08:48:09 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 10, 2018, 08:53:05 PM
They got that testimony today. More coming tomorrow
Please post the testimony you're referring to.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 10, 2018, 09:28:58 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 10, 2018, 09:32:10 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 10, 2018, 09:36:35 PM
They got that testimony today. More coming tomorrow
Please post the testimony you're referring to.
You're barking up the wrong user truth tree if you are looking for real answers. They are fine.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 09:50:29 PM
They got that testimony today. More coming tomorrow
Please post the testimony you're referring to.
Sorry, not testimony. A report
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1050122156150013963?s=19
And don't come at me with "it doesn't say bill knew they were paying them" :Rusty:
Post by: Spracne on October 10, 2018, 09:54:34 PM
This was the "testimony" you affirmed, and yet your concession that it was a mere report doesn't come close to alleging the same material facts. Yawn.I dunno, bill self telling Adidas which players to pay seems problematic to me. :dunno:
If they have testimony that Bill directed Addidas to go pay a player to come to KU, I think Bill would be done. Surely they can’t have that tho
Obviously they would need to prove this beyond reasonable doubt, they can’t just Kavanaugh Bill ffs
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Post by: DaBigTrain on October 10, 2018, 09:58:23 PM
They got that testimony today. More coming tomorrow
Please post the testimony you're referring to.
Sorry, not testimony. A report
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1050122156150013963?s=19
And don't come at me with "it doesn't say bill knew they were paying them" :Rusty:
So are these confirmed sources, or anonymous?
Post by: wetwillie on October 10, 2018, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 10:04:57 PM
They got that testimony today. More coming tomorrow
Please post the testimony you're referring to.
Sorry, not testimony. A report
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1050122156150013963?s=19
And don't come at me with "it doesn't say bill knew they were paying them" :Rusty:
So are these confirmed sources, or anonymous?
Gassanola testified today. The trial is ongoing. I assume the report is being admitted into evidence.
I know you are a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and don't know the difference between evidence, and patchwork conjecture and anonymous hearsay uopn hearsay, but good grief get literate
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 10:11:27 PM
There were only a few addidas guys doing this with a few coaches.
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 10, 2018, 10:12:41 PM
They got that testimony today. More coming tomorrow
Please post the testimony you're referring to.
Sorry, not testimony. A report
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1050122156150013963?s=19
And don't come at me with "it doesn't say bill knew they were paying them" :Rusty:
So are these confirmed sources, or anonymous?
Gassanola testified today. The trial is ongoing. I assume the report is being admitted into evidence.
I know you are a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and don't know the difference between evidence, and patchwork conjecture and anonymous hearsay uopn hearsay, but good grief get literate
So since the trial is on going you have made a conclusion? Seems other ongoing investigations and trials you have done the same. Just trying to get a baseline here.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 10:17:59 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 10, 2018, 10:18:18 PM
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Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 10, 2018, 10:20:13 PM
I mean if anyone thinks bill has a sniff of this on him you are a bigger rube than the people who buy clay travis books.
I have to agree. As we know Bill is smooth as hell. No way he would ever get close to this but damn I do like thinking that greed got the best of him.. :fatty: (ftp://:fatty:)
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 10:24:34 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 10:27:59 PM
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Gassnola, 46, said he worked with Adidas to make payments to Smith Jr., Ayton and three other players: Brian Bowen (Louisville) and Silvio de Sousa and Billy Preston (Kansas). All but Ayton committed to Adidas schools. Bowen never played at Louisville after the FBI learned that his father, Brian Bowen Sr., worked with Adidas on a scheme to funnel him $100,000 for his son to play at Louisville.
”These players were either going to our (Adidas) Universities or we wanted them to go to our Universities,” Gassnola testified as to why their families were targeted for payments.
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Memo shows NC State concerned about Mark Gottfried having contact with agent runners
Memo shows NC State concerned about Mark Gottfried having contact with agent runners
Gassnola, who has pled guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud, is a government witness in the case. He did not mention any specific payment amounts to Judge Lewis A. Kaplan and the jury on Wednesday, but is due back on the stand Thursday morning.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 10:28:55 PM
Post by: Trim on October 10, 2018, 10:49:10 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 10, 2018, 11:05:48 PM
Apparently no amount of money was enough to get him there.
Post by: 8manpick on October 11, 2018, 08:56:35 AM
Post by: CHONGS on October 11, 2018, 09:20:04 AM
So, what are the crimes here?From what I can tell, it's KU giving out law degrees.
Post by: wetwillie on October 11, 2018, 09:22:28 AM
Post by: 8manpick on October 11, 2018, 09:24:23 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 11, 2018, 09:27:29 AM
I think K-State needs to adopt this model with Nike.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 11, 2018, 10:03:11 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 11, 2018, 10:05:59 AM
So, what are the crimes here?
Gassnola has has pled guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud (see letters combined into words, combined into sentences immediately above itt)
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 11, 2018, 10:12:59 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/black-ops-mission-hoops-bag-man-details-offered-help-college-basketball-programs-like-kansas-230932446.html
Post by: 8manpick on October 11, 2018, 10:27:01 AM
Yeah, I guess I don’t know why this constitutes fraud. Having agents is legal. Paying people for things is legal. Recruiting people to do things is legal and can include money. Who is being defrauded? The NCAA?So, what are the crimes here?
Gassnola has has pled guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud (see letters combined into words, combined into sentences immediately above itt)
Post by: IPA4Me on October 11, 2018, 10:46:52 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 11, 2018, 11:01:03 AM
Yeah, I guess I don’t know why this constitutes fraud. Having agents is legal. Paying people for things is legal. Recruiting people to do things is legal and can include money. Who is being defrauded? The NCAA?So, what are the crimes here?
Gassnola has has pled guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud (see letters combined into words, combined into sentences immediately above itt)
I don't know the nuances of the charges, but if there wasn't a real crime, the Federal Court Judge wouldn't have let it go to trial.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 11, 2018, 11:37:18 AM
I mean, ffs, a guy who was indicted for paying college basketball players has provided evidence and presumably testimony that he personally met with bill self to discuss which player to "help with", those players got a hundred thousand dollars, and ended up at ku.
There were only a few addidas guys doing this with a few coaches.
there are only a few Adidas schools worth spending any money on but I have to agree if you Bill doesn't have pretty air tight deniability then go ahead and pay for Clay's "Blood bank" betting picks
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 11, 2018, 11:42:02 AM
I don't want to keep beating on this thing, but again it appears that KU just outsourced their recruiting to Adidas. I suspect Self and company just told Adidas what they needed and Adidas found'em and sent them KU's way. Pretty novel approach. Or, maybe KU just outsourced their national recruiting to Adidas while using their own staff for more regional recruiting. Very corporate, but clearly effective.
I think K-State needs to adopt this model with Nike.
And with the new rules and Adidas under siege, he will outsource it to agents.
Post by: Spracne on October 11, 2018, 09:28:19 PM
Live look at Spracne (https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/EToAAOSwu1VW5yDJ/s-l300.jpg)
Are you both assuming I obtained my Juris Doctor from KU? That's funny.
Post by: CHONGS on October 11, 2018, 09:37:07 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 11, 2018, 09:39:00 PM
I wasn't.
Hence why I didn't include you in my math.
Post by: CHONGS on October 11, 2018, 09:40:06 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2018, 01:10:07 PM
Post by: Cire on October 15, 2018, 01:12:09 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2018, 01:35:35 PM
now we know why seff has gotten so fat. He hasn't had to go recruit anyone in years because Adidas was gift wrapping guys.
But Bill Self can't know those fast talking Adidas guys were paying people. People just don't think like that in fly-over America cire.
Post by: pissclams on October 15, 2018, 01:48:58 PM
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On Aug. 9. 2017, Gassnola texted Self, saying he talked with Fenny Falmagne, the guardian of recruit Silvio De Sousa. Self asked “we good” over text, and Gassnola replied “always,” saying this was light work and the ball was in Falmagne’s court now.
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On Sept. 19, 2017 — three days before KU Athletics announced a 12-year contract extension with Adidas — Gassnola texted Self to tell him thank you for helping to get that extension done. Self replied via text that he was happy with Adidas and wrote “Just got to get a couple real guys.”
Gassnola responded with a text that said, “In my mind, it’s KU, Bill Self. Everyone else fall into line. Too (expletive) bad. That’s what’s right for Adidas basketball. And I know I’m right. The more you have lottery picks and you happy. That’s how it should work in my mind.” Self replied by text, “That’s how ur (sic) works. At UNC and Duke.” Gassnola answered by saying Kentucky as well. “I promise you I got this. I have never let you down. Except (Deandre). Lol. We will get it right.”
these men are not geniuses
Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 15, 2018, 02:17:34 PM
QuoteOn Aug. 9. 2017, Gassnola texted Self, saying he talked with Fenny Falmagne, the guardian of recruit Silvio De Sousa. Self asked “we good” over text, and Gassnola replied “always,” saying this was light work and the ball was in Falmagne’s court now.QuoteOn Sept. 19, 2017 — three days before KU Athletics announced a 12-year contract extension with Adidas — Gassnola texted Self to tell him thank you for helping to get that extension done. Self replied via text that he was happy with Adidas and wrote “Just got to get a couple real guys.”
Gassnola responded with a text that said, “In my mind, it’s KU, Bill Self. Everyone else fall into line. Too (expletive) bad. That’s what’s right for Adidas basketball. And I know I’m right. The more you have lottery picks and you happy. That’s how it should work in my mind.” Self replied by text, “That’s how ur (sic) works. At UNC and Duke.” Gassnola answered by saying Kentucky as well. “I promise you I got this. I have never let you down. Except (Deandre). Lol. We will get it right.”
these men are not geniuses
Did this come out today? No way they aren't getting in some kind of trouble.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 15, 2018, 02:43:08 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2018, 03:25:47 PM
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on October 15, 2018, 04:32:42 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 15, 2018, 04:44:02 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 15, 2018, 04:50:49 PM
Patriots cheat, they win.
Kentucky cheats, they win.
Ohio St cheats, they win.
There is a theme. Winning is entertaining, and honestly the only reason I continue to follow sports.
Post by: wetwillie on October 15, 2018, 06:27:20 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 15, 2018, 08:12:10 PM
Post by: Pete on October 15, 2018, 08:29:22 PM
I don't understand why some of you blatantly want a dirty program. This site constantly baffles me
Sports is a rough ridin' entertainment business. If it’s not entertaining me, it can GTFOOMF. So, there is no such thing as a dirty program. I am either entertained or I am not entertained.
Post by: Cire on October 15, 2018, 08:48:40 PM
I want a slush fund of cash for basketball.
Football is tougher but no show jobs for players would be a start
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Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on October 15, 2018, 09:15:01 PM
I don't understand why some of you blatantly want a dirty program. This site constantly baffles me
Sports is a rough ridin' entertainment business. If it’s not entertaining me, it can GTFOOMF. So, there is no such thing as a dirty program. I am either entertained or I am not entertained.
Post by: _33 on October 15, 2018, 09:21:02 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 15, 2018, 09:26:35 PM
Post by: 8manpick on October 15, 2018, 09:38:45 PM
Then you should stop watching college athletics.Do you think college athletics is anything other than an entertainment business?I don't understand why some of you blatantly want a dirty program. This site constantly baffles me
Sports is a rough ridin' entertainment business. If it’s not entertaining me, it can GTFOOMF. So, there is no such thing as a dirty program. I am either entertained or I am not entertained.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 15, 2018, 09:53:39 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 15, 2018, 09:55:37 PM
so it's okay
Post by: deputy dawg on October 16, 2018, 08:37:46 AM
I'm with Pete
I want a slush fund of cash for basketball.
Football is tougher but no show jobs for players would be a start
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Not me, I want the model that KU uses. Have your athletic wear sponsor pay recruits to come to your university--in the case of KU, lottery pick BB players. Act like it's normal for them to come to a flyover hillbilly hole in eastern Kansas, and pretend you don't know about your athletic wear sponsor paying them to come to your hillbilly hole. Perfect. I'm jealous of KU.
Post by: ChiComCat on October 16, 2018, 08:52:12 AM
Post by: 8manpick on October 16, 2018, 12:04:05 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 16, 2018, 07:31:25 PM
Can you imagine how much retroactive fun we’d have to give up if we found out today that Nike was paying Will Spradling and we had to give up our Titletown?
Pimplin' ain't easy
Post by: gatoveintisiet on October 16, 2018, 09:45:24 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 16, 2018, 10:33:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1052323887621578752?s=19
Post by: Pete on October 17, 2018, 07:08:31 PM
Whoops
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1052323887621578752?s=19
Meh.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2018, 10:55:27 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2018, 11:01:23 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2018, 11:10:51 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 18, 2018, 11:56:39 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2018, 12:10:41 PM
Post by: meow meow on October 18, 2018, 12:31:14 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 18, 2018, 01:25:39 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 18, 2018, 02:46:41 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2018, 02:48:34 PM
Very awesome news. Where is the closest G league team to KC?McGruder played in Sioux Falls
Post by: deputy dawg on October 19, 2018, 08:54:38 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1052964482232844288?s=19
This isn't evidence, but should compel compliance people in the conference and NCAA to look deeper. I think most people accept that Massa Seff knew that he was getting top recruits because they were being paid by Adidas, but Seff cannot mentally accept that, because he, and the rube KU fan base, believe that Lawrentucky and KU are dream destinations.
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 21, 2018, 03:40:18 PM
I’m sure it was a total coincidence that Rodney McGruder had a custom SUV with 20” rims when he was in Manhattan. My sister lived a few doors down from Rodney and Henriquez-Roberts. Fun guys to hang out with, but it was never clear how their apartment was decked ou :billdance:t.
Post by: steve dave on October 21, 2018, 05:25:02 PM
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Post by: RickRampus on October 22, 2018, 12:03:38 AM
Yea Beasley and walker took no money to go to the middle of Kansas
I’m sure it was a total coincidence that Rodney McGruder had a custom SUV with 20” rims when he was in Manhattan. My sister lived a few doors down from Rodney and Henriquez-Roberts. Fun guys to hang out with, but it was never clear how their apartment was decked ou :billdance:t.
what year was this? I used to hang out with some students that were neighbors of rod, jo, spradling and I can't remember the other one. anyways, I don't remember seeing a suv on twenties.
jo had the sweetest pit bull you'll ever find
Post by: LickNeckey on October 22, 2018, 09:51:42 AM
Yea Beasley and walker took no money to go to the middle of Kansas
I’m sure it was a total coincidence that Rodney McGruder had a custom SUV with 20” rims when he was in Manhattan. My sister lived a few doors down from Rodney and Henriquez-Roberts. Fun guys to hang out with, but it was never clear how their apartment was decked ou :billdance:t.
saying that it is plausible that K-State cheated over a decade ago is an interesting squawk defense
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 22, 2018, 11:06:07 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 22, 2018, 11:11:22 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1052964482232844288?s=19
This isn't evidence, but should compel compliance people in the conference and NCAA to look deeper. I think most people accept that Massa Seff knew that he was getting top recruits because they were being paid by Adidas, but Seff cannot mentally accept that, because he, and the rube KU fan base, believe that Lawrentucky and KU are dream destinations.
It's closing argument, so while it is not testimony (i.e., evidence), it is most certainly is a summary of the evidence presented during the trial (e.g., testimony, texts, phone logs, etc.)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 22, 2018, 11:25:46 AM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 22, 2018, 11:31:48 AM
Are there any ku fans that think Preston didn't play because of a minor car accident? JFC guys
Any sane person would know they didn't hold him back because of the car incident but this is KU fans we're talking about.
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 22, 2018, 12:31:23 PM
LQuote from: EMAWzifried link=topic=40474.msg1865099#msg1865099 7date=1540154418Yea Beasley and walker took no money to go to the middle of Kansas
I’m sure it was a total coincidence that Rodney McGruder had a custom SUV with 20” rims when he was in Manhattan. My sister lived a few doors down from Rodney and Henriquez-Roberts. Fun guys to hang out with, but it was never clear how their apartment was decked ou :billdance:t.
what year was this? I used to hang out with some students that were neighbors of rod, jo, spradling and I can't remember the other one. anyways, I don't remember seeing a suv on twenties.
jo had the sweetest pit bull you'll ever find
I don't know. It was copy paste of phogger
Post by: ChiComCat on October 22, 2018, 12:48:07 PM
Yea Beasley and walker took no money to go to the middle of Kansas
I’m sure it was a total coincidence that Rodney McGruder had a custom SUV with 20” rims when he was in Manhattan. My sister lived a few doors down from Rodney and Henriquez-Roberts. Fun guys to hang out with, but it was never clear how their apartment was decked ou :billdance:t.
He should send that up the ladder. Definitely need to get someone from the NCAA to dig through McGruder's Target decor receipts or whatever
Post by: wetwillie on October 22, 2018, 01:10:12 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 22, 2018, 01:29:48 PM
LQuote from: EMAWzifried link=topic=40474.msg1865099#msg1865099 7date=1540154418Yea Beasley and walker took no money to go to the middle of Kansas
I’m sure it was a total coincidence that Rodney McGruder had a custom SUV with 20” rims when he was in Manhattan. My sister lived a few doors down from Rodney and Henriquez-Roberts. Fun guys to hang out with, but it was never clear how their apartment was decked ou :billdance:t.
what year was this? I used to hang out with some students that were neighbors of rod, jo, spradling and I can't remember the other one. anyways, I don't remember seeing a suv on twenties.
jo had the sweetest pit bull you'll ever find
I don't know. It was copy paste of phogger
Yes, all non-morons were aware of that. TY for sharing!
Post by: deputy dawg on October 22, 2018, 03:35:10 PM
Are there any ku fans that think Preston didn't play because of a minor car accident? JFC guys
Any sane person would know they didn't hold him back because of the car incident but this is KU fans we're talking about.
Which Morris twin crashed Scot Pollard's SUV at 2am with a 16yo underage girl in the car? All kinds of wrong there, but nothing happened to the Morris twin, all it did was get the KU faithful all fired up about how normal that was.
Post by: catastrophe on October 22, 2018, 04:06:57 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1052964482232844288?s=19
This isn't evidence, but should compel compliance people in the conference and NCAA to look deeper. I think most people accept that Massa Seff knew that he was getting top recruits because they were being paid by Adidas, but Seff cannot mentally accept that, because he, and the rube KU fan base, believe that Lawrentucky and KU are dream destinations.
It's closing argument, so while it is not testimony (i.e., evidence), it is most certainly is a summary of the evidence presented during the trial (e.g., testimony, texts, phone logs, etc.)
Should at least draw an objection from opposing counsel if it’s not supported by evidence (unless this is a total sideshow in the context of the case; I haven’t been following this trial at all).
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 22, 2018, 04:35:50 PM
Are there any ku fans that think Preston didn't play because of a minor car accident? JFC guys
Any sane person would know they didn't hold him back because of the car incident but this is KU fans we're talking about.
Which Morris twin crashed Scot Pollard's SUV at 2am with a 16yo underage girl in the car? All kinds of wrong there, but nothing happened to the Morris twin, all it did was get the KU faithful all fired up about how normal that was.
I remember "what was she doing out so late" being used as a legit reason for him to be hooking up with her
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 22, 2018, 10:27:05 PM
Post by: renocat on October 23, 2018, 06:41:38 AM
The parade of party skanks coming in and out should make every KU alum and Kansan sick.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 23, 2018, 09:15:50 AM
They were both in the car and their were two 16-year old girls. Would have gotten away with it too, if at 3am those parked cars hadn't jumped in front of the suv they were "borrowing" from a guy who lived 3000 miles away.
that's nbd grape - mike beasly got paid
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 23, 2018, 10:06:41 AM
They were both in the car and their were two 16-year old girls. Would have gotten away with it too, if at 3am those parked cars hadn't jumped in front of the suv they were "borrowing" from a guy who lived 3000 miles away.
that's nbd grape - mike beasly got paid
Got paid in used dented Ford Explorers
Post by: GregKSU1027 on October 23, 2018, 12:10:31 PM
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Boy does this sign still hold up, (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181023/f54074701d306f94e1e89fd38eb725f2.jpg)
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Is that you, Greg?
Post by: deputy dawg on October 24, 2018, 09:24:12 AM
They were both in the car and their were two 16-year old girls. Would have gotten away with it too, if at 3am those parked cars hadn't jumped in front of the suv they were "borrowing" from a guy who lived 3000 miles away.
"Borrowed" from a former KU basketball player / current athletic program booster, who claimed he "sold" the SUV to the Morris twins. Except the Morris twins never bothered to get title changed or pay the required taxes. Or failed to show payment for the vehicle. KU faithful bent over backwards to explain how normal that situation was.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on October 24, 2018, 09:24:57 AM
YuhBoy does this sign still hold up, (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181023/f54074701d306f94e1e89fd38eb725f2.jpg)
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Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 24, 2018, 11:41:27 AM
YuhBoy does this sign still hold up, (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181023/f54074701d306f94e1e89fd38eb725f2.jpg)
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Work on your "c" greg.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 24, 2018, 02:06:25 PM
Post by: Trim on October 24, 2018, 02:18:02 PM
With Gatto being charged with this:
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Gatto, Code and Dawkins were accused of felony charges of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud by paying money from Adidas to the families of recruits to ensure they signed with Adidas-sponsored schools, and then with the sneaker company and certain financial planners and agents once they turned pro.
The jury found Gatto guilty on all three of his counts, while Code and Dawkins were found guilty on two counts.
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Gatto, the sneaker company's director of global sports marketing for basketball, also was accused of conspiring with former Adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola to pay $90,000 to former Kansas prospect Billy Preston's mother and $20,000 to current Jayhawks player Silvio De Sousa's guardian.
Gatto's attorney saying this in closing arguments seems counterproductive:
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During closing arguments last week, one of Gatto's attorneys, Michael Schachter, told the jury that Gatto approved the payments to players' families at the request of coaches, including Self.
Bad strategy?
Post by: dal9 on October 24, 2018, 02:30:10 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 24, 2018, 02:36:38 PM
Post by: Trim on October 24, 2018, 02:39:56 PM
^the defense's argument was that they didn't defraud the schools--which is what they were charged with--since the coaches approved of the payments. i.e., there was no victim of a crime.
T-Y. Sounds like the government countered with that Seff was an additional criminal that victimized the squawks.
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Assistant U.S. Attorney Edward Diskant told the jury that even if the coaches were complicit in the pay-for-scheme, that doesn't excuse the defendants.
"The coaches at the universities weren't allowed to be doing this," Diskant said.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 24, 2018, 02:45:22 PM
Post by: deputy dawg on October 24, 2018, 04:27:34 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 24, 2018, 05:28:13 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 24, 2018, 06:14:01 PM
Oh, that guy your coach was texting with about paying players? Yeah, he was found guilty of multiple federal crimes related to, get this, paying players.
Kufans :bananadance:
Post by: Trim on October 24, 2018, 06:26:28 PM
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The verdict is a major victory for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Southern District of New York, which took a three-year FBI investigation ripe with wire-tapped phone calls, secretly video-taped meetings and two undercover agents to make the violation of NCAA rules into a federal case.
The government convinced the jury that when the men paid the families of recruits to attend specific colleges, they were rendering those athletes ineligible per NCAA rules. As such, the schools were unwittingly signing and playing players that exposed them to NCAA sanctions. Because the schools receive federal funding, this became a federal fraud case.
The defendants offered an impassioned counter-argument during the three-week trial that by directing top talent to college teams they were trying to help, not harm, the universities. They also tried to present to the jury the underworld of college basketball where head and assistant coaches seek out the help of shoe companies and runners to help with recruiting, and even if payments aren’t directly discussed they are assumed.
The jury, which knew little about college basketball before the trial, agreed with the government and lead prosecutor, assistant U.S. attorney Ted Diskant.
https://sports.yahoo.com/hoops-corruption-trial-verdict-3-defendants-found-guilty-counts-190920096.html
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 24, 2018, 06:47:27 PM
https://twitter.com/BentonASmith/status/1055171800068435968
Post by: ChiComCat on October 24, 2018, 06:55:53 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 24, 2018, 07:13:30 PM
i used to think he stuttered to buy time because he was lying or upset about a loss but i think it's just an impediment :frown:Wish you could have heard his 810 interview today before this. Man, he was sweating it out all day. Longest pauses of his life.https://twitter.com/BentonASmith/status/1055171800068435968
Post by: mhkpasa on October 24, 2018, 08:24:38 PM
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Post by: tdaver on November 09, 2018, 04:54:32 PM
These guys obviously doing cheating wrong
Post by: IPA4Me on April 11, 2019, 09:50:41 AM
https://twitter.com/insiderlou/status/1116343894432727041
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Post by: Spracne on January 29, 2022, 10:54:04 PM
Mike Vernon is wrong about everything always.
That's true. The guy is a clown.