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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: MadCat on November 24, 2017, 06:28:21 PM
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Do we have one of these yet?
(Bert out at Arkansas)
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https://twitter.com/ryaneasterling/status/934449952050352128
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https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/934455909220323330
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Fake Bo is one of my favorite parody accounts.
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/934455987590885378
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https://twitter.com/MyKriley/status/934458656656990208
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Sounds like Nubb v Florida for Scott Frost
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We will see how important Nebraska really is.
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We will see how important Nebraska really is.
if they don't get Frost...how embarrassing.
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I hope frost bends them over with an absolutely ridiculous albatross of a contract. Like something that would make Travis Ford's 10 year deal look like child's play.
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Better scenario:
Frost snubs a Nebraska offer and chooses the Gators.
Frost goes home to Nebraska, face plants, and they have to fire their own Golden child.
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Charlie Weis is available.
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Sounds like Nubb v Florida for Scott Frost
Makes me wonder what Florida is offering sice Kelly chose UCLA over them for 4.5 mill a year.
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Sounds like Nubb v Florida for Scott Frost
Makes me wonder what Florida is offering sice Kelly chose UCLA over them for 4.5 mill a year.
I'm guessing $$$ wasn't the primary factor in that decision.
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Better scenario:
Frost snubs a Nebraska offer and chooses the Gators.
Frost goes home to Nebraska, face plants, and they have to fire their own Golden child.
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Absolutely snubbing Nebraska. They are going to end up with their fourth choice again. They'll get Craig Bohl.
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Sounds like Nubb v Florida for Scott Frost
Makes me wonder what Florida is offering sice Kelly chose UCLA over them for 4.5 mill a year.
I'm guessing $$$ wasn't the primary factor in that decision.
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I believe it. I think with Kelly out of the NCAA for some time, he probably would be more comfortable coaching in a PAC 12 since he have familiarity to that conference?
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Sounds like Nubb v Florida for Scott Frost
Makes me wonder what Florida is offering sice Kelly chose UCLA over them for 4.5 mill a year.
I'm guessing $$$ wasn't the primary factor in that decision.
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I believe it. I think with Kelly out of the NCAA for some time, he probably would be more comfortable coaching in a PAC 12 since he have familiarity to that conference?
that's the way i interpreted the article i read this morning. reading between the lines, i also sensed he was thinking, the uf admin is great, but i don't want to live in a racist, shithole, swamp.
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https://twitter.com/ry_bass/status/934849076360773633
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Sumlin to asu supposedly
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Anyone else hearing greg schiano to Tennessee?
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https://twitter.com/ry_bass/status/934849076360773633
Well, that has to mean Frost to Nebraska.
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Anyone else hearing greg schiano to Tennessee?
pretty amazing. tons of reasons currie would like him, but maybe more even more to think he wouldn't?
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Sumlin to asu supposedly
Nevermind
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https://twitter.com/ry_bass/status/934849076360773633
This incestual coach poaching of the SEC has always been an oddity.
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Dan Wolken on Twitter: “Tennessee is finalizing the deal with Schiano. Hopes to name him later today, per person with direct knowledge.” http://ow.ly/kVQk100RPpI
The child rape comments are fun.
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Currie lol
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LOL. Clay Travis is going to fist eff John Currie.
ClayTravis: Only way to stop Greg Schiano hire is massive social media revolt. Tag @John_Currie and tell him this hire is unacc… https://t.co/45TFuyv2KV
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Dan Wolken on Twitter: “Tennessee is finalizing the deal with Schiano. Hopes to name him later today, per person with direct knowledge.” http://ow.ly/kVQk100RPpI
The child rape comments are fun.
Oh dear god, let this happen. Twitter (especially Tennessee Fans) will be on a epic nuclear meltdown....
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More from Clay Travis:
RT @ClayTravis: Hey @John_Currie you need to resign right now and let me make the rough ridin' hire. This is unacceptable. I will hire t… https://t.co/xjNAdIl4O3
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I don’t get the Venables to Arkansas mindset as far as why Venables would want and or take that job
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I don’t get the Venables to Arkansas mindset as far as why Venables would want and or take that job
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Are you saying that you don't understand why Venables would want to become the head coach of Arkansas? It's the most obvious thing ever.
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:ROFL: Greg Schiano Seems an unusual choice for the guy that went dumpster diving for receipts to prove ‘suspected’ impropriety of a coach.
As for any SEC position right now, young up n comers are smart to avoid it like the plague. Nubs has better expectations of their coaches - and dont have a perfectly legit absolutely dominant Alabama/Saban problem to overcome.
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Knox paper is interviewing randos for reaction
https://www.facebook.com/knoxnews/videos/10155814748377649/
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Arizona State fired Todd Graham.
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Holy crap. Good for Sumlin.
https://twitter.com/SBNationCFB/status/934902442227052545
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It's Jimbo!?
https://twitter.com/RandyMcIlvoy/status/934891984862547968
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Wow
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$7.5m would make him the third highest paid coach in the NFL...right alongside Belicheck.
Is this real life?
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Guess i'm behind the times. Didn't realize Saban is paid over $3m per year more than the highest paid NFL coach....over $11m per year.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
$7.5m is really just a competitive salary for a top level coach.
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Ole Miss hires a search firm, then promotes a current Ole Miss assistant coach. Good use of money. They must be getting some big sanctions.
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They had a very good season considering what they went through. If that dude was getting it done, why change? I'm sure their candidate list was doo doo. I would have liked to see the list and if Venables was on it.
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Lots of good gems out there right now on Twitter. Apparently Florida called Gundy and he said nah.
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Hopefully the new Mississississippi State coach is a eff up and they stink butt to start the year so our Cats stand a chance next Sept.
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Matt Campbell just agreed to a new contract, 6 years $22.5 million and another $1 million for his staff. No clue on the buyout yet.
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Hopefully the new Mississississippi State coach is a eff up and they stink butt to start the year so our Cats stand a chance next Sept.
Oh crap.
https://twitter.com/zach_barnett/status/935288519731400705
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eff. :facepalm:
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Tell them to get mumped Brent, please.
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So this is fun
https://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Iowa-State-head-coach-Matt-Campbell-is-a-strong-candidate-at-Nebraska-111067597
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Matt Campbell just agreed to a new contract, 6 years $22.5 million and another $1 million for his staff. No clue on the buyout yet.
Considering it’s obviously the only reason they renegotiated I’m going to guess it’s pretty sizeable.
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So this is fun
https://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Iowa-State-head-coach-Matt-Campbell-is-a-strong-candidate-at-Nebraska-111067597
uhhh..
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So this is fun
https://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Iowa-State-head-coach-Matt-Campbell-is-a-strong-candidate-at-Nebraska-111067597
uhhh..
Swing and a miss?
:D
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So this is fun
https://nebraska.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Iowa-State-head-coach-Matt-Campbell-is-a-strong-candidate-at-Nebraska-111067597
uhhh..
Swing and a miss?
:D
*As Denny Matthews voice* "Game 7 of the World Series, bases loaded, two outs, here's the pitch.... a swing and a miss."
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LOL. They certainly blew that one.
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Matt Campbell just agreed to a new contract, 6 years $22.5 million and another $1 million for his staff. No clue on the buyout yet.
well deserved after his 7-5 “miracle in ames” season
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No idea who Matt Luke is, but he gets $5+ million to hire assistant coaches and $2+ million to hire other staff.
https://twitter.com/AntonioCMorales/status/935197439358898176
I wonder what Snyds gets. That seems like a crap pot of money.
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Matt Campbell just agreed to a new contract, 6 years $22.5 million and another $1 million for his staff. No clue on the buyout yet.
well deserved after his 7-5 “miracle in ames” season
The equinox of equilibrium
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No idea who Matt Luke is, but he gets $5+ million to hire assistant coaches and $2+ million to hire other staff.
https://twitter.com/AntonioCMorales/status/935197439358898176
I wonder what Snyds gets. That seems like a crap pot of money.
isn't that the guy who was the interim too? $3 million seems high, but this is where we are.
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No idea, but he also gets $50k if they get an incredibly shitty apr score.
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No idea who Matt Luke is, but he gets $5+ million to hire assistant coaches and $2+ million to hire other staff.
https://twitter.com/AntonioCMorales/status/935197439358898176
I wonder what Snyds gets. That seems like a crap pot of money.
isn't that the guy who was the interim too? $3 million seems high, but this is where we are.
Yes, he was interim after the Hugh Freeze scandal.
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Matt Campbell just agreed to a new contract, 6 years $22.5 million and another $1 million for his staff. No clue on the buyout yet.
well deserved after his 7-5 “miracle in ames” season
The equinox of equilibrium
7-5, the accomplishment in ames
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7-5, PRETTY rough ridin' GOOD in ames
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7-5, PRETTY rough ridin' GOOD in ames
let’s lock him up, eff you herbstreit!
no one is going to rain on isu’s parade this time. because if they did it would flood really badly.
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Who's still open? miss state, UT, Arkansas?
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Rice! OC for BYU!
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Sources told ESPN's Mark Schlabach that Frost met with Florida officials more than a week ago to discuss the Gators' vacancy, but he declined to meet again this past weekend to advance those talks. Florida officials were convinced Frost was taking the Nebraska job, so they offered their opening to Mississippi State's Dan Mullen, who was named the Gators' new coach Sunday.
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Frost's system doesn't seem like one that would fair well in the upper midwest. Nebraska's identity is the BLACKSHIRTS, not the crop top t-shirts.
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Craig Bohl would've been a good hire for Nubb, someone who might fix their ass-y defense. Oh well got their guy see you in 4 years.
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Frost is Nebraska's venebles
I'm jealous
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I'm not sure he can revive that wasteland of a program
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Who's still open? miss state, UT, Arkansas?
Nebraska, Rice, South Alabama are a few off my head.
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Who's still open? miss state, UT, Arkansas?
Nebraska, Rice, South Alabama are a few off my head.
And Arizona State and Oregon State and aTm
Crazy, aTm, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and ole Miss are all replacing coaches in the SEC West. And LSU did last year.
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If Jimbo goes to A&M, FSU will be vacant.
Is A&M a better job? Seems like Jimbo has an easier route to playoff in ACC.
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If Jimbo goes to A&M, FSU will be vacant.
Is A&M a better job? Seems like Jimbo has an easier route to playoff in ACC.
I wonder if there is something going to happen at FSU that caused Jimbo to jump ship. :ohno:
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Who's still open? miss state, UT, Arkansas?
Nebraska, Rice, South Alabama are a few off my head.
And Arizona State and Oregon State and aTm
Crazy, aTm, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and ole Miss are all replacing coaches in the SEC West. And LSU did last year.
Having Bama, and every 3-4 years Auburn being amazeballs will do that to you.
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Matt Campbell just agreed to a new contract, 6 years $22.5 million and another $1 million for his staff. No clue on the buyout yet.
well deserved after his 7-5 “miracle in ames” season
The equinox of equilibrium
7-5, the accomplishment in ames
Better than what they had under Proud Paul. Also winning @OU and TCU are pretty nice feathers in Campbell's cap.
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ISU was a damn good football team this year, farmageddon would happen if Saban was prowling the sidelines at Jack Trice
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Who's still open? miss state, UT, Arkansas?
Nebraska, Rice, South Alabama are a few off my head.
And Arizona State and Oregon State and aTm
Crazy, aTm, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and ole Miss are all replacing coaches in the SEC West. And LSU did last year.
Having Bama, and every 3-4 years Auburn being amazeballs will do that to you.
When you have five coaching changes in a division in a single year, it's generally because those teams kinda suck.
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If Jimbo goes to A&M, FSU will be vacant.
Is A&M a better job? Seems like Jimbo has an easier route to playoff in ACC.
I wonder if there is something going to happen at FSU that caused Jimbo to jump ship. :ohno:
No problems at FSU just
(https://media.giphy.com/media/n59dQcO9yaaaY/giphy.gif)
at A&M
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Who's still open? miss state, UT, Arkansas?
Nebraska, Rice, South Alabama are a few off my head.
And Arizona State and Oregon State and aTm
Crazy, aTm, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and ole Miss are all replacing coaches in the SEC West. And LSU did last year.
Having Bama, and every 3-4 years Auburn being amazeballs will do that to you.
When you have five coaching changes in a division in a single year, it's generally because those teams kinda suck.
Seems like those schools would be money better spent on hiring a few private investigators to dig up dirt on 'Bama and try to oust Saban. Until he retires (or something is revealed to be less than savory) they're just going to be cycling through the next failure.
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Matt Campbell just agreed to a new contract, 6 years $22.5 million and another $1 million for his staff. No clue on the buyout yet.
well deserved after his 7-5 “miracle in ames” season
The equinox of equilibrium
7-5, the accomplishment in ames
Better than what they had under Proud Paul. Also winning @OU and TCU are pretty nice feathers in Campbell's cap.
7-5, “Better than Paul Rhodes”, let’s lock him up
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7-5, PRETTY rough ridin' GOOD in ames
let’s lock him up, eff you herbstreit!
no one is going to rain on isu’s parade this time. because if they did it would flood really badly.
:ROFL:
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Matt Campbell just agreed to a new contract, 6 years $22.5 million and another $1 million for his staff. No clue on the buyout yet.
well deserved after his 7-5 “miracle in ames” season
The equinox of equilibrium
7-5, the accomplishment in ames
Better than what they had under Proud Paul. Also winning @OU and TCU are pretty nice feathers in Campbell's cap.
7-5, “Better than Paul Rhodes”, let’s lock him up
They can do whatever TF they want, not like it affects our ability to pull out a win again them. Let them have their mediocre cookie
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Matt Campbell just agreed to a new contract, 6 years $22.5 million and another $1 million for his staff. No clue on the buyout yet.
well deserved after his 7-5 “miracle in ames” season
The equinox of equilibrium
7-5, the accomplishment in ames
Better than what they had under Proud Paul. Also winning @OU and TCU are pretty nice feathers in Campbell's cap.
7-5, “Better than Paul Rhodes”, let’s lock him up
I mean, kind of, but not by much.
Also, this is Iowa State we're talking about, and this excitement seems familiar. Granted, I'll say that Campbell is a better coach and this is better than any of Paul's seasons.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/7360117/paul-rhoads-iowa-state-cyclones-agree-10-year-20-million-contract
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Currie is posted up at a hotel in Dallas. crap is about to go down.
https://twitter.com/JimmyHyams/status/935524228090220544
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Getting Gundy would be a great get for ol Cur-dog considering the circumstances
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Is their strife in OSU's ADept.? Thought maybe I remember hearing about Pickens vs. the AD years ago, but that was more in hoops context. It'd come down to how much Gundy wants out and if he'd disregard or not get OBz' warnings.
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Unless it’s a ton of money, I just don’t see much upside for Gundy at Tennessee. He will definitely interview though to angle for a contract boost and extension.
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Gundy would be a home run for Tennessee.
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Gundy leaving OSU would be stupid on his part. I'm honestly surprised he is even interviewing, he's pretty much been a staple in some way shape or form at OSU since he was a QB handing the ball off to Barry Sanders.
He's in a place that (mostly) loves him and he's clearly got them winning 9+ games on the reg. Maybe it is a ploy to get Boone to cough up some more dough.
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If the mullet leaves, maybe we'll get more recruits
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Guys, give me some of the best follows on twitter dealing with all these coaching rumors/speculation.
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Guys, give me some of the best follows on twitter dealing with all these coaching rumors/speculation.
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/935555444898238464
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Guys, give me some of the best follows on twitter dealing with all these coaching rumors/speculation.
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/935555444898238464
Smoke and mirrors. They did the same thing at the beginning of the coaching search to throw people off.
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https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/935561872039870464
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Is their strife in OSU's ADept.? Thought maybe I remember hearing about Pickens vs. the AD years ago, but that was more in hoops context. It'd come down to how much Gundy wants out and if he'd disregard or not get OBz' warnings.
Pickens loves Mike Holder and is probably the only reason Mike still has the job. Brad Underwood quit basically because Holder did not support "championship level basketball"...
By all accounts, Gundy cant stand Holder and Gundy tolerates Pickens, although Pickens and Gundy have seemed to publicly bury the hatchet this year.
This explains the relationships pretty well...
"Before Pickens would make stadium-specific donations of $165 million in 2006 and $63 million in 2008, he negotiated for Holder to become the athletic director."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/osusportsextra/bill-haisten-timeline-is-fluid-but-mike-holder-s-osu/article_30bf4bec-deeb-5430-baa4-fec3be8d99e6.html
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why would gundy leave OSU for UT?
why the eff wouldn't he? he's been stuck in stillwater, OK for essentially the past 30 years. imagine the hell that must be. ut brings in what, 100k fans per game in the sec? he's ready for it. i don't agree that it's a move for younger coaches but why not get out of that hell hole and our crap conference and get paid, seems like a no brainer.
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He also has seemingly plateaued, sometimes a change of scenery can help
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Plus at this point you know the UTenn donors will be throwing money at him so they can get a good coach...but more importantly save face by showing that they can hire a good coach still. For a crap load of money anyways.
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:sdeek: So Mullen was their 4th choice after Kelly, Frost, and Gundy turned them down?
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/935595822061903872
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If so, that's a really great 4th choice.
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Unless it’s a ton of money, I just don’t see much upside for Gundy at Tennessee. He will definitely interview though to angle for a contract boost and extension.
saw $8.2M I wouldn't even need to mullet over I'd go for that
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$8.2 million is some serious face saving money. If Gundy goes for it you know he’s going to have a big chunk of it guaranteed too.
No other reason you’d turn down Florida to go for Tennessee.
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Tennessee getting Gundy would really make me wonder just who would be coaching our basketball team if our fans had forced Currie to not take oscar.
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Tennessee getting Gundy would really make me wonder just who would be coaching our basketball team if our fans had forced Currie to not take oscar.
Some guy who probably would not be here anymore would be my guess.
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Tennessee getting Gundy would really make me wonder just who would be coaching our basketball team if our fans had forced Currie to not take oscar.
Some guy who probably would not be here anymore would be my guess.
That sounds great to me.
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Tennessee getting Gundy would really make me wonder just who would be coaching our basketball team if our fans had forced Currie to not take oscar.
I kept pointing to Currie replacing Deb with another Big 12 head coach but y'all didn't want to listen.
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Tennessee getting Gundy would really make me wonder just who would be coaching our basketball team if our fans had forced Currie to not take oscar.
I kept pointing to Currie replacing Deb with another Big 12 head coach but y'all didn't want to listen.
still have oscar tho
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Tennessee getting Gundy would really make me wonder just who would be coaching our basketball team if our fans had forced Currie to not take oscar.
I kept pointing to Currie replacing Deb with another Big 12 head coach but y'all didn't want to listen.
still have oscar tho
That can be rationalized to fit his model, absolutely don't want to go down that rabbit hole here though
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Tennessee getting Gundy would really make me wonder just who would be coaching our basketball team if our fans had forced Currie to not take oscar.
I kept pointing to Currie replacing Deb with another Big 12 head coach but y'all didn't want to listen.
Currie preferred Schiano to Gundy, though. Tennessee is only (potentially) getting Gundy because they reacted so strongly to the Schiano hire.
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Tennessee is only (potentially) getting Gundy because the University and fans are willing to overpay out the ass to save face. $8.4 million would not have been a realistic sum for a guy with one conference championship and zero playoff appearances without this CF.
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https://twitter.com/mikec2w/status/935649438839853057
Earlier it showed a flight plan for Stillwater.
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https://twitter.com/PaulCalvisi/status/935606268433014784
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Could be an interesting domino effect that could involve K-State if Jimbo Fisher is pushed out/leaves FSU.
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Could be an interesting domino effect that could involve K-State if Jimbo Fisher is pushed out/leaves FSU.
How do you think?
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Could be an interesting domino effect that could involve K-State if Jimbo Fisher is pushed out/leaves FSU.
How do you think?
Jimbo moves on, Taggart leaves Oregon for FSU (he and Strong (lol) rumored to be top candidates), Oregon brings in new coach/staff, Leavitt unemployed?
Definitely a reach, but sounds like Jimbo leaving Tally sounds pretty likely at least.
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Interesting take. I'd suspect Leavitt interviews for the HC role in that scenario.
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Tennessee is only (potentially) getting Gundy because the University and fans are willing to overpay out the ass to save face. $8.4 million would not have been a realistic sum for a guy with one conference championship and zero playoff appearances without this CF.
Someone posted last week that they offered Gruden $10 million a year
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Tennessee is only (potentially) getting Gundy because the University and fans are willing to overpay out the ass to save face. $8.4 million would not have been a realistic sum for a guy with one conference championship and zero playoff appearances without this CF.
On the plus side, it helps that OSU won’t be stealing some of our recruits if he goes to Tennessee.
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Hopefully Holder has had enough of K-State guys and doesn't hire Brent
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Tennessee is only (potentially) getting Gundy because the University and fans are willing to overpay out the ass to save face. $8.4 million would not have been a realistic sum for a guy with one conference championship and zero playoff appearances without this CF.
Someone posted last week that they offered Gruden $10 million a year
I’d be surprised if that’s true, but regardless Gruden has a Super Bowl ring.
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https://twitter.com/360tnsports/status/935666259181568001
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https://twitter.com/360tnsports/status/935666259181568001
"Gundy thinking about it overnight": read - Gundy's soliciting a counter offer from OSU hoping it's close enough so he doesn't have to spend the rest of his coaching years putting up with Curries crap.
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Les Miles to okie lite would be really fun
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Interesting take. I'd suspect Leavitt interviews for the HC role in that scenario.
If this chain of events were to happen quickly enough Oregon could try to bring back Frost too. Doubtful he’d take it but you never know
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https://twitter.com/360tnsports/status/935666259181568001
"Gundy thinking about it overnight": read - Gundy's soliciting a counter offer from OSU hoping it's close enough so he doesn't have to spend the rest of his coaching years putting up with Curries crap.
Yep
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Well hopefully they contacted T Boone Clampett before he went to bed at 6pm.
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https://twitter.com/360tnsports/status/935666259181568001
"Gundy thinking about it overnight": read - Gundy's soliciting a counter offer from OSU hoping it's close enough so he doesn't have to spend the rest of his coaching years putting up with Curries crap.
I thought that when this happened with Gundy two years ago they did what Mizzou did to Mike Anderson and they said they wouldn't renegotiate his contract again.
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Interesting take. I'd suspect Leavitt interviews for the HC role in that scenario.
If this chain of events were to happen quickly enough Oregon could try to bring back Frost too. Doubtful he’d take it but you never know
He's going to Nebraska but why wouldn't he go to Oregon, that's a very good job
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Leavitt vs Schiano is an interesting comparison....
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Give me Schiano in that scenario. They have similar head coaching resumes, and they had similar jobs at the same time. I do think USF is an easier place to win with the built in recruiting base and the easier admissions. Probably not better enough to matter very much though.
I give Schiano the advantage because of his NFL ties and the fact that he's worked under Urban Meyer and Bill Belichick. He's also younger.
They even have similar warts. The biggest difference is that Schiano has never been accused for choking a kid. All of his issues occurred in the NFL and it sounds like he was doing that bullshit that college coaches but he did them with pros, which obviously doesn't work with men with leverage.
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https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/935695956733059073
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:lol:
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Who turns down 42 million?
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When you're making 4.5 and happy, what's another 2.5 gonna do for you?
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Who turns down 42 million?
Ppl who don't want to be around a crazy cult and already home and taken care of
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Brent is still safe.
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/935698699564539906
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When you're making 4.5 and happy, what's another 2.5 gonna do for you?
A lot
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"sorry john but im going to have to decline. oh and LHC Bill Snyder wanted me to tell you to go eff yourself"
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Gundy had a high chance of failing in the SEC. Last thing he wants is to suck for 3 years, get fired, and end up at a place he doesn’t want to be.
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When you're making 4.5 and happy, what's another 2.5 gonna do for you?
A lot
And you don't think he got a raise after this?
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Gopokes says it was 6 years 50 million :sdeek:
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Interesting take. I'd suspect Leavitt interviews for the HC role in that scenario.
If this chain of events were to happen quickly enough Oregon could try to bring back Frost too. Doubtful he’d take it but you never know
He's going to Nebraska but why wouldn't he go to Oregon, that's a very good job
Meant to imply that he’s taking Nebraska job
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Ouch, Tennessee’s prestige
just
took another hit.
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What's up with Currie going to Dallas for his coaching searches?
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What's up with Currie going to Dallas for his coaching searches?
That is his thinking spot.
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What's up with Currie going to Dallas for his coaching searches?
That is his thinking spot.
Chad Morris.
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Manhattan Regional Airport air service keeps getting better and better with those American Eagle flights. Currie probably flies from Knoxville to Chicago to take advantage of flights into Manhattan and routed to Dallas.
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$7 million wasn’t gonna cut it. Probably could have gotten there for $8+ with a good chunk of it guaranteed, but you just know Currie couldn’t bring himself to piss away that kind of money, even in a situation like this.
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Gopokes says it was 6 years 50 million :sdeek:
What, Currie's offer to Gundy? Or Gundy's raise from T. Boone & Co.?
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Brent is still safe.
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/935698699564539906
I think the UCF job is the best landing spot for him.
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Leavitt vs Schiano is an interesting comparison....
Guys, Chingon has s fun game, no one else wants to play?
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If Currie thought enough of Leavitt to try to lure him here as HCIW, why isn't he pursuing him for the TN job?
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If Currie thought enough of Leavitt to try to lure him here as HCIW, why isn't he pursuing him for the TN job?
Currie just wanted to strut like a peacock when his hire at K-State made a bowl game, then he was dipping. I hope this gets a lot worse, that sack of crap deserves every bit of it too
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Gopokes says it was 6 years 50 million :sdeek:
What, Currie's offer to Gundy? Or Gundy's raise from T. Boone & Co.?
The offer from UT to Gundy
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Give me Schiano in that scenario. They have similar head coaching resumes, and they had similar jobs at the same time. I do think USF is an easier place to win with the built in recruiting base and the easier admissions. Probably not better enough to matter very much though.
I give Schiano the advantage because of his NFL ties and the fact that he's worked under Urban Meyer and Bill Belichick. He's also younger.
They even have similar warts. The biggest difference is that Schiano has never been accused for choking a kid. All of his issues occurred in the NFL and it sounds like he was doing that bullshit that college coaches but he did them with pros, which obviously doesn't work with men with leverage.
Those are all good points.
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I can't believe Jimbo to Collie cult. Yeah he needed to refresh some assistants, and it's damn near offensive to let Chris Weinke
coach consult at Bama, but he seem to put himself on the lists to leave yearly.
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It's not official yet, right?
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I used to think leavitt was a pretty mediocre coach, but after seeing his effect on the Colorado and Oregon defenses, I've started to change my mind. Hard for me to compare him to Schiano because I don't know much about Schiano outside of Rutgers, but I do think Leavitt is a v. good d-coordinator. Right up there with Venables in my mind.
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I can't believe Jimbo to Collie cult. Yeah he needed to refresh some assistants, and it's damn near offensive to let Chris Weinke s[]coach[/s] consult at Bama, but he seem to put himself on the lists to leave yearly.
From what I've read, it's more of Jimbo misplaying his cards the last month. Dabbling in new jobs (LSU, Texas, etc.) every off season to get another raise, and everyone called his bluff this time and basically told him to leave then. Not a done deal to leave but he's being pressured to find the best falling spot to GTFO.
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Interesting take. I'd suspect Leavitt interviews for the HC role in that scenario.
If this chain of events were to happen quickly enough Oregon could try to bring back Frost too. Doubtful he’d take it but you never know
He's going to Nebraska but why wouldn't he go to Oregon, that's a very good job
A few things could happen. I doubt Oregon would consider Leavitt a serious replacement, and could see them throwing a ton of money at Frost. But would Leavitt follow Taggert to FSU or consider K-State simply as a DC? No HCIW crap involved.
https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/935759819486703616
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I think Leavitt would consider KSU DC with no HCIW but I don't know that Snyder would let it happen. He knows that if Leavitt comes here in any capacity that its a threat to Sean.
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Interesting take. I'd suspect Leavitt interviews for the HC role in that scenario.
If this chain of events were to happen quickly enough Oregon could try to bring back Frost too. Doubtful he’d take it but you never know
He's going to Nebraska but why wouldn't he go to Oregon, that's a very good job
A few things could happen. I doubt Oregon would consider Leavitt a serious replacement, and could see them throwing a ton of money at Frost. But would Leavitt follow Taggert to FSU or consider K-State simply as a DC? No HCIW crap involved.
https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/935759819486703616
Given their current circumstance I would wonder the level of tolerance for Florida State to employ a coach, even a coordinator, with one foot seemingly out of the door.
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I think Leavitt would consider KSU DC with no HCIW but I don't know that Snyder would let it happen. He knows that if Leavitt comes here in any capacity that its a threat to Sean.
From all indications Bill has to be negotiating a new financial agreement (if one hasn't already been agreed on) in his contract over the next two months. The Mustang needs to use this as leverage to stop the Sean crap, make some changes for the good of the program, or tell Bill to GTFO. If that doesn't happen by the end of Jan., I could see Bill continuing the Sean or absolutely nothing else mindset for the next 3-5 years.
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You really think Mustang is telling Bill to GTFO?
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I think Leavitt would consider KSU DC with no HCIW but I don't know that Snyder would let it happen. He knows that if Leavitt comes here in any capacity that its a threat to Sean.
From all indications Bill has to be negotiating a new financial agreement (if one hasn't already been agreed on) in his contract over the next two months. The Mustang needs to use this as leverage to stop the Sean crap, make some changes for the good of the program, or tell Bill to GTFO. If that doesn't happen by the end of Jan., I could see Bill continuing the Sean or absolutely nothing else mindset for the next 3-5 years.
You don't think that same logic applies, at least in part, as to why we can't seem to bring in any quality OC/DCs during this version? That and of course the fact (a little speculative I know) that HCBS can't seem to find it in himself (or his DIR of Football Operations) to look another grown man in the eye and tell him that he's fired.
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You really think Mustang is telling Bill to GTFO?
Hell no, I picture the Stang absolutely hating confrontation. Like his neighbor would just blows his leaves over onto the Mustangs lawn and he'd just let it keep happening type crap.
One can dream, though.
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I can't believe Jimbo to Collie cult. Yeah he needed to refresh some assistants, and it's damn near offensive to let Chris Weinke s[]coach[/s] consult at Bama, but he seem to put himself on the lists to leave yearly.
From what I've read, it's more of Jimbo misplaying his cards the last month. Dabbling in new jobs (LSU, Texas, etc.) every off season to get another raise, and everyone called his bluff this time and basically told him to leave then. Not a done deal to leave but he's being pressured to find the best falling spot to GTFO.
That's mostly the way I see it. I'm sure a lot was leveraging, but he has had turnover with assistants and try replacements aren't cutting it IMO. They were nearly out on bowl eligibility this year. Yes losing Deandre was big, but a near total collapse is unacceptable and there is a lot of heat for a shakeup.
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I think Leavitt would consider KSU DC with no HCIW but I don't know that Snyder would let it happen. He knows that if Leavitt comes here in any capacity that its a threat to Sean.
From all indications Bill has to be negotiating a new financial agreement (if one hasn't already been agreed on) in his contract over the next two months. The Mustang needs to use this as leverage to stop the Sean crap, make some changes for the good of the program, or tell Bill to GTFO. If that doesn't happen by the end of Jan., I could see Bill continuing the Sean or absolutely nothing else mindset for the next 3-5 years.
LOL, I'll have what you're having. and ROTFLMAO at acting like Taylor is unique in his inability to do this. There isn't an athletic director in America that is going to be comfortable making demands to LHC Bill Snyder after being on the job for only six months.
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I think Leavitt would consider KSU DC with no HCIW but I don't know that Snyder would let it happen. He knows that if Leavitt comes here in any capacity that its a threat to Sean.
So you are saying Bill lied about offering Leavitt a job last year before he took the Oregon DC job?
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I imagine the mustang this be just like “action Jack” from Silicon Valley.
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I think Leavitt would consider KSU DC with no HCIW but I don't know that Snyder would let it happen. He knows that if Leavitt comes here in any capacity that its a threat to Sean.
So you are saying Bill lied about offering Leavitt a job last year before he took the Oregon DC job?
I thought the offer was as a position coach.
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I'm sure Bill will hire Michael Smith back in some capacity for offense now that Bert got fired at Arkansas. Maybe replace Dimel. That way there is no threat to Sean of the OC taking over HC.
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I think Leavitt would consider KSU DC with no HCIW but I don't know that Snyder would let it happen. He knows that if Leavitt comes here in any capacity that its a threat to Sean.
So you are saying Bill lied about offering Leavitt a job last year before he took the Oregon DC job?
Even if he was telling the truth, the news that leaked about Leavitt's HCIW offer as well as the HC out in his Oregon contract could have changed things quite a bit. Leavitt's been making big plays for the HC job in the last year which pretty clearly isn't what Snyder wants when he retires.
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I think Leavitt would consider KSU DC with no HCIW but I don't know that Snyder would let it happen. He knows that if Leavitt comes here in any capacity that its a threat to Sean.
From all indications Bill has to be negotiating a new financial agreement (if one hasn't already been agreed on) in his contract over the next two months. The Mustang needs to use this as leverage to stop the Sean crap, make some changes for the good of the program, or tell Bill to GTFO. If that doesn't happen by the end of Jan., I could see Bill continuing the Sean or absolutely nothing else mindset for the next 3-5 years.
LOL, I'll have what you're having. and ROTFLMAO at acting like Taylor is unique in his inability to do this. There isn't an athletic director in America that is going to be comfortable making demands to LHC Bill Snyder after being on the job for only six months.
I said one could dream, dude.
Also, though. I would say similar situations are Bowden and Beamer. Which the AD's that worked the transitions at the time had been at FSU/VT for less than 2 years. Not really sure what your point is, cause I see having an AD without lengthy university ties as a good thing in that situation.
But again, I know it was a stretch.
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I think Leavitt would consider KSU DC with no HCIW but I don't know that Snyder would let it happen. He knows that if Leavitt comes here in any capacity that its a threat to Sean.
From all indications Bill has to be negotiating a new financial agreement (if one hasn't already been agreed on) in his contract over the next two months. The Mustang needs to use this as leverage to stop the Sean crap, make some changes for the good of the program, or tell Bill to GTFO. If that doesn't happen by the end of Jan., I could see Bill continuing the Sean or absolutely nothing else mindset for the next 3-5 years.
LOL, I'll have what you're having. and ROTFLMAO at acting like Taylor is unique in his inability to do this. There isn't an athletic director in America that is going to be comfortable making demands to LHC Bill Snyder after being on the job for only six months.
I said one could dream, dude.
Also, though. I would say similar situations are Bowden and Beamer. Which the AD's that worked the transitions at the time had been at FSU/VT for less than 2 years. Not really sure what your point is, cause I see having an AD without lengthy university ties as a good thing in that situation.
But again, I know it was a stretch.
I'm not sure what happened at Tech, but it was the President of Florida State, T.K. Wetherell, who forced Bowden out. Wetherell was at FSU for a long time and was friends with Bowden. In this case it'd be like Wefald forcing Snyder out, which was certainly plausible.
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I think Leavitt would consider KSU DC with no HCIW but I don't know that Snyder would let it happen. He knows that if Leavitt comes here in any capacity that its a threat to Sean.
From all indications Bill has to be negotiating a new financial agreement (if one hasn't already been agreed on) in his contract over the next two months. The Mustang needs to use this as leverage to stop the Sean crap, make some changes for the good of the program, or tell Bill to GTFO. If that doesn't happen by the end of Jan., I could see Bill continuing the Sean or absolutely nothing else mindset for the next 3-5 years.
LOL, I'll have what you're having. and ROTFLMAO at acting like Taylor is unique in his inability to do this. There isn't an athletic director in America that is going to be comfortable making demands to LHC Bill Snyder after being on the job for only six months.
I said one could dream, dude.
Also, though. I would say similar situations are Bowden and Beamer. Which the AD's that worked the transitions at the time had been at FSU/VT for less than 2 years. Not really sure what your point is, cause I see having an AD without lengthy university ties as a good thing in that situation.
But again, I know it was a stretch.
I'm not sure what happened at Tech, but it was the President of Florida State, T.K. Wetherell, who forced Bowden out. Wetherell was at FSU for a long time and was friends with Bowden. In this case it'd be like Wefald forcing Snyder out, which was certainly plausible.
The situations have some comparisons, but there was so much more going on (which you probably know) especially with Jeff's offense. I can't imagine the cat backer raising money specifically to buy out one of Bill assistants, let alone Sean.
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https://twitter.com/sundevilsource/status/936021107361984513
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Well that will be fun news to receive from Twitter for the ASU President.
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That ASU job is brokedick. They are making the head coach keep both coordinators.
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I do like herm. I feel like he'd be a good recruiter. He does all the UA All American HS Camps. Seems like a fun guy to play for. Hopefully he gets coordinators to help what he lacks.
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Wacky, dude.
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Ya, I know, it's a long shot, but it's ASU. I also didn't read your previous post. whoops!
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That ASU job is brokedick. They are making the head coach keep both coordinators.
Yeah people here weren’t thrilled with Graham getting fired already so this should really piss some people off. Weird ass situation they’ve created. I think Herms an awful choice and will burnout in 2-3 years of sucking
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I do like herm. I feel like he'd be a good recruiter. He does all the UA All American HS Camps. Seems like a fun guy to play for. Hopefully he gets coordinators to help what he lacks.
I don't know, I don't think it's a good hire. The last time he coached was in 2008 in Kansas City. And he doesn't have any college experience since what, 1987-1989? *whistles* ASU is taking a big risk. I'll give him that he's a good bullshitter and the players love playing for him, but..... I don't know if that'll work in the college levels. I think a fair comparison to him might be Lovie Smith, who's not doing so well in Illinois.....
Even if the coordinators are kept, I'm sure that he will find a way to screw that up. This is a guy who is a Schottenheimer Disciple as his game is more suited for the SEC/BIG10 style, not the aerial circus/arena football style in the PAC12.
Big risk.
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One thing I’m almost certain of: Herm would make a better college football coach than Gottleib would make a college basketball coach.
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Herm feels like a celebrity hire.
"Hey, look at us! We got the NFL guy from that TV show!"
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It's hard to think of two different personalities than Herm and Lovie. But I guess they are some in one superficial way.
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It's hard to think of two different personalities than Herm and Lovie. But I guess they are some in one superficial
Who compared Herm and Lovie? That's hilarious.
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One thing I’m almost certain of: Herm would make a better college football coach than Gottleib would make a college basketball coach.
weird certainty
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i don't think it's that weird.. obviously they're different personalities, but i'm always weary of hiring NFL guys who don't know the college game.
also they're both black so they're alike in that way too.
fwiw, my Illini friends are still optimistic about Lovie.
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It's hard to think of two different personalities than Herm and Lovie. But I guess they are some in one superficial
Who compared Herm and Lovie? That's hilarious.
https://sports.yahoo.com/coaching-carousel-herm-edwards-asu-just-doesnt-make-sense-051025957.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/coaching-carousel-herm-edwards-asu-just-doesnt-make-sense-051025957.html)
The overwhelming feeling among athletic administrators, between chuckles, is that this hire will turn into a Lovie Smith Sequel – an out-of-touch NFL coach returning to college for one last pay bump before retirement.
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It's hard to think of two different personalities than Herm and Lovie. But I guess they are some in one superficial
Who compared Herm and Lovie? That's hilarious.
https://sports.yahoo.com/coaching-carousel-herm-edwards-asu-just-doesnt-make-sense-051025957.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/coaching-carousel-herm-edwards-asu-just-doesnt-make-sense-051025957.html)
The overwhelming feeling among athletic administrators, between chuckles, is that this hire will turn into a Lovie Smith Sequel – an out-of-touch NFL coach returning to college for one last pay bump before retirement.
:opcat:
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:lol:
https://twitter.com/Tomahawknation/status/936361482090110981
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This stuff at Tennessee has robbed exposure to an amazing story about the Mississippi State search.
https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/935726996289617921
Mississippi State fan’s intel from strip club accurately predicts Joe Moorhead hiring
Hours before Mississippi State hired Joe Moorhead, a Bulldogs fan posted a message board rumor that belongs in the Hall of Fame of message board rumors.
A user, imissplatinumplus, claimed to know Moorhead was the choice by way of an Uber drive and a stripper at the local “Cheetah Lounge” in Atlanta.
Note the time stamp of 4:47 p.m. — that’s hours before news broke of Mississippi State’s hire.
Whether you believe the sourcing was legit or just a good guess with quality storytelling, this kind of fan engagement is what makes college football great.
https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi-state/mississippi-state-fans-intel-strip-club-accurately-predicts-joe-moorhead-hiring
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That is fantastic.
Moorhead and the Cheetah Lounge. :lol:
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Twitter saying currie gone
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Twitter saying currie gone
Not true
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Holy crap, all of this, but especially starting at 2:34.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv_LglMw5Dc
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lol holy crap
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WTF? These university presidents are extra. I'm sure the coach and the AD were both wanting that dude to stfu.
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beaver nation
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A pelt taker like yourself would love it
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https://twitter.com/WayneMcGaheeIII/status/936648576956092418
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Being the former voice of #BeaverNation (Scott City), I totally agree with everything he had to say. You don't walk into our house and not expect a butt kicking.
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lol @ also parking a rzr in a cul-de-sac driveway
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and wow aTm really got Jimbo
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Jimbo got 10 years and 75 million. Biggest contract in CFB history.
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I'll be surprised and slightly disappointed if A&M doesn't list Jimbo's national championship on their stadium.
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I'll be surprised and slightly disappointed if A&M doesn't list Jimbo's national championship on their stadium.
(https://i.imgur.com/0JP9Tsv.jpg)
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:D
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Well Jimbo found one of the few places whose self-worth is more tightly bound to winning college football games than Tallahassee.
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lol @ also parking a rzr General in a cul-de-sac driveway
FYP
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lol @ also parking a rzr General in a cul-de-sac driveway
FYP
That's alright, the guy next door has a porta-poty in his driveway
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lol @ also parking a rzr General in a cul-de-sac driveway
FYP
That's alright, the guy next door has a porta-poty in his driveway
well yeah they're remodeling
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Couldn't we claim a NC from the 1900's or something silly? I hope Mustang puts it up on BSFS.
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Couldn't we claim a NC from the 1900's or something silly? I hope Mustang puts it up on BSFS.
1910: 10-1 record, only loss was to an undefeated Colorado College team in Colorado Springs in an exhibition game.
Season highlights: The Cats posted a blowout win of 5-0 at 7-1 Arkansas, who beat 8-1 Texas A&M.
CLAIM THIS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP NOW.
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Hang that banner!
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Outscored our opponents 336 to 28
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Jonathan is a proven winner and of you want proof you need only look back at something he did in a game almost 17 years ago.
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I have nothing against Jimbo, but I hope A&M is atrocious and that contract turns out to be the biggest disappointment in the history of CFB.
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Couldn't we claim a NC from the 1900's or something silly? I hope Mustang puts it up on BSFS.
1910: 10-1 record, only loss was to an undefeated Colorado College team in Colorado Springs in an exhibition game.
Season highlights: The Cats posted a blowout win of 5-0 at 7-1 Arkansas, who beat 8-1 Texas A&M.
CLAIM THIS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP NOW.
If true (and I don't know cause no one case about what happened before like 1980) I am pissed that we do not claim this national championship. We need to start a petition.
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I have nothing against Jimbo, but I hope A&M is atrocious and that contract turns out to be the biggest disappointment in the history of CFB.
I don't know how in the hell it won't. They are in the easier division but they share it with the greatest college football coach of all time. They also share a region where they'll always be behind UT for Texas recruits and LSU for Louisiana recruits. He's also gotta deal with Malzahn at either Auburn or Arkansas and you can make the argument that for the sake of A&M success, they definitely don't want Malzahn at Arkansas.
It's a cash grab for Jimbo, I don't see two SEC championship game appearances in the course of this contract.
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No way he takes the program to higher heights than the the Kevin Sumlin era
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The name Jimbo really irritates me
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I have nothing against Jimbo, but I hope A&M is atrocious and that contract turns out to be the biggest disappointment in the history of CFB.
I don't know how in the hell it won't. They are in the easier division but they share it with the greatest college football coach of all time. They also share a region where they'll always be behind UT for Texas recruits and LSU for Louisiana recruits. He's also gotta deal with Malzahn at either Auburn or Arkansas and you can make the argument that for the sake of A&M success, they definitely don't want Malzahn at Arkansas.
It's a cash grab for Jimbo, I don't see two SEC championship game appearances in the course of this contract.
I totally agree.
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My new dream scenario now that Jimbo joined the cult.
Willie T goes back home to FSU.
The Bank of Phillip H. Knight makes Frost an offer he can't refuse.
Cornhole U, stood up by its high school flame, remains irrelevant for years to come.
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Couldn't we claim a NC from the 1900's or something silly? I hope Mustang puts it up on BSFS.
1910: 10-1 record, only loss was to an undefeated Colorado College team in Colorado Springs in an exhibition game.
Season highlights: The Cats posted a blowout win of 5-0 at 7-1 Arkansas, who beat 8-1 Texas A&M.
CLAIM THIS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP NOW.
If true (and I don't know cause no one case about what happened before like 1980) I am pissed that we do not claim this national championship. We need to start a petition.
Feels like the right time too. Bring up this program was once a national champion and all Bill has done is lose big games, no Natty’s. GTFO old man.
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My new dream scenario now that Jimbo joined the cult.
Willie T goes back home to FSU.
The Bank of Phillip H. Knight makes Frost an offer he can't refuse.
Cornhole U, stood up by its high school flame, remains irrelevant for years to come.
Oh man
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Jimbo has to play Bama, LSU, Auburn every year...and if arky gets them a coach look out. Good for him on the $75 million though. :kstategrad:
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My new dream scenario now that Jimbo joined the cult.
Willie T goes back home to FSU.
The Bank of Phillip H. Knight makes Frost an offer he can't refuse.
Cornhole U, stood up by its high school flame, remains irrelevant for years to come.
Oh man
Yeah this
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Jimbo has to play Bama, LSU, Auburn every year...and if arky gets them a coach look out. Good for him on the $75 million though. :kstategrad:
Everyone but Bama and Auburn has replaced their coach in the last year. Bama will always be great but Auburn definitely has ups and downs. Auburn was 11-13 in the SEC the three years prior to this one.
What I'm saying is the might of the SEC West is just an illusion mostly based on Bama being amazing. It's not significantly more difficult from playing in the Big 12 with an elite OU.
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Will only make the dream sweeter.
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/937027775080423425
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they will be pleased
lol
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they will be pleased
lol
Rumor has it Matt Davidson will move from broadcast booth to WR coach. Not sure I would be pleased if we made Stan the QB coach.
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https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/937054754340995073
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I feel we need to be following the dumpster fore at Arkansas more
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I feel we need to be following the dumpster fore at Arkansas more
aren’t they hoping to get Gus?
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my gut tells me he will get them back to where bo had them, but i think they have put themselves at such a strategic disadvantage in the big 10 that he'll never be able to take them over the top.
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They'll play in the CCG a time or two before he leaves.
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I feel we need to be following the dumpster fore at Arkansas more
aren’t they hoping to get Gus?
Yes, everything I've seen has them waiting to start their search in earnest, tomorrow.
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Where's the money on UT hire now?
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I really like Scott Frost but now have to hope he loses every game by a billion
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I feel like an Auburn coaching search might rival the UT search in entertainment value
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Yep
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I feel like an Auburn coaching search might rival the UT search in entertainment value
Do they have a chickenshit AD?
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Why does Arkansas think they can get Malzahn? I would’ve thought Auburn is a better job. Is it largely a job security thing since some were putting him on the hot seat earlier in the season?
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Why does Arkansas think they can get Malzahn? I would’ve thought Auburn is a better job. Is it largely a job security thing since some were putting him on the hot seat earlier in the season?
Auburn is a tough job because of Saban.
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Any school that has a rivalry game that defines the season is a tough gig.
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Any school that has a rivalry game that defines the season is a tough gig.
Harbaugh would agree.
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I feel like an Auburn coaching search might rival the UT search in entertainment value
Welp.
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/937454020549017601
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Good, we don't need Gus 4 hours from the metroplex
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Rumblings.
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/937716427695579136
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Rumblings.
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/937716427695579136
:don'tcare:
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I'm sure Leavitt would get another raise to follow him to FSU. But could make things interesting at least.
https://twitter.com/CoachNBurton/status/937702974297481217
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I'm sure Leavitt would get another raise to follow him to FSU. But could make things interesting at least.
https://twitter.com/CoachNBurton/status/937702974297481217
Would Oregon consider Leavitt for HC?
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Oregon would have to strike out on at least a couple guys before they would consider Leavitt - my prediction is they get an up and comer OC and try to keep Leavitt and his defensive staff together if there isn't a homerun hire. Maybe a Sonny Cumbie type?
Lane would fit pretty good there as well and Leavitt might stay - Lane strikes me as a guy that lets his DC do what he wants.
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https://twitter.com/GrahamHall_/status/937743985761751040
EDIT:
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/937747631949918209
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I know the ageists on this board don't want him but sign me up for Leavitt after he spends the next 12 months running around FL in garnet and gold
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The real question is whether there will be another K-State clause.
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:lol:
https://twitter.com/footballscoop/status/937746252250394625
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:lol:
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If nothing else, Herm will be entertaining.
https://twitter.com/BonaguraESPN/status/937739414091980800
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The name Jimbo really irritates me
I would argue that Gus is also very irritating.
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Dabo
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Arizona State University and Vice President of University Athletics Ray Anderson has unveiled plans for a restructured ASU football model and named former NFL head coach Herman Edwards as the 24th head coach of Sun Devil Football, pending approval by the Arizona Board of Regents.
The department's New Leadership Model will be similar to an NFL approach using a general manager structure. It's a collaborative approach to managing the ASU football program that includes sport and administrative divisions, which will operate as distinct, but collective units focused on elevating all aspects of Sun Devil Football. This structure will allow the department to form a multi-layered method to the talent evaluation and recruiting processes, increase its emphasis on both student-athlete and coach development and retention, and provide a boost in resource allocation and generation.
"Our goal for this football program is to reach unprecedented heights, and therefore we need to find a way to operate more innovatively and efficiently than we have in the past," Anderson said. "In the spirit of innovation, our vision for this program is to have a head coach who serves as a CEO and is the central leader with a collaborative staff around him that will elevate the performance of players and coaches on the field, in the classroom and in our community. Equally important, the head coach will be a dynamic and tireless recruiter."
Edwards, who will oversee the New Leadership Model, arrives in Tempe with a football legacy that has impacted thousands, whether as a player, coach, analyst, motivational speaker and author, or community advocate and philanthropist.
The New Leadership Model will allow for resource sharing and strategic planning between the football staff and administrators who are directly involved with the program. The administrative division will be primarily composed of Anderson, Executive Senior Associate Athletics Director Jean Boyd and Senior Associate Athletics Director Scottie Graham. The sport division will operate with an experienced and senior football administrator, Senior Associate Athletic Director Tim Cassidy, helping to manage day-to-day operations, along with a variety of staffers responsible for player development, player personnel, and recruiting, among other areas.
Sun Devil Football's existing recruiting infrastructure will be upgraded through additional staff support and evaluation resources, by instilling a culture of accountability at all levels, and building long-term relationships in communities across the country to help ensure recruiting quality and consistency. Both the sport and administrative divisions will play key roles in student-athlete development.
The New Leadership Model affords coordinators and assistant coaches more flexibility in how they develop student-athletes on the field, and enables Sun Devil Football to build on the 'Championship Life' program already in place through the Office of Student-Athlete Development to better equip student-athletes with the tools and skills necessary to succeed in their respective future endeavors.
Boyd is a former ASU football student-athlete who has risen to the role of Executive Senior Associate Athletic Director after 22-plus years of experience in Sun Devil Athletics. He has overseen the dramatic evolution of the department's Student-Athlete Development efforts and has been nationally recognized.
Graham, who joined Sun Devil Athletics in June 2014, has served as a sport administrator with additional responsibilities surrounding student-athlete development and welfare for the past three-plus years. He will transition to a new role where he will serve as the liaison between the sport and administrative divisions. He has an extensive background with the National Football League Players Association (NFLPA) as he was the Director of Player Engagement for four years before arriving in Tempe, playing a key role in cultivating, maintaining and enhancing relationships with current and former players, business partners and other stakeholders.
Edwards will take a proactive approach to developing coordinators and assistant coaches, drawing on his nearly three decades of NFL experience in a variety of capacities and wide range of leadership positions within both the sport of football and in other endeavors.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/12/3/16732520/herm-edwards-hired-arizona-state-head-coach-announcement
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:lol:
https://twitter.com/footballscoop/status/937746252250394625
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:lol: wow
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https://twitter.com/davidubben/status/937741991298977793
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Holy crap.
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Covering Herm will be a treat provided no one calls him out on everything he says.
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Covering Herm will be a treat provided no one calls him out on everything he says.
It's college football... there's a million Fitz's lining up to get their big break by writing something controversial about Herm. All we need is time. Itll probably come when ASU is 3-6 next season and some "insider info" starts to leak out.
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Is this what happens when an athletic department just says eff it?
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Arizona State University and Vice President of University Athletics Ray Anderson has unveiled plans for a restructured ASU football model and named former NFL head coach Herman Edwards as the 24th head coach of Sun Devil Football, pending approval by the Arizona Board of Regents.
The department's New Leadership Model will be similar to an NFL approach using a general manager structure. It's a collaborative approach to managing the ASU football program that includes sport and administrative divisions, which will operate as distinct, but collective units focused on elevating all aspects of Sun Devil Football. This structure will allow the department to form a multi-layered method to the talent evaluation and recruiting processes, increase its emphasis on both student-athlete and coach development and retention, and provide a boost in resource allocation and generation.
"Our goal for this football program is to reach unprecedented heights, and therefore we need to find a way to operate more innovatively and efficiently than we have in the past," Anderson said. "In the spirit of innovation, our vision for this program is to have a head coach who serves as a CEO and is the central leader with a collaborative staff around him that will elevate the performance of players and coaches on the field, in the classroom and in our community. Equally important, the head coach will be a dynamic and tireless recruiter."
Edwards, who will oversee the New Leadership Model, arrives in Tempe with a football legacy that has impacted thousands, whether as a player, coach, analyst, motivational speaker and author, or community advocate and philanthropist.
The New Leadership Model will allow for resource sharing and strategic planning between the football staff and administrators who are directly involved with the program. The administrative division will be primarily composed of Anderson, Executive Senior Associate Athletics Director Jean Boyd and Senior Associate Athletics Director Scottie Graham. The sport division will operate with an experienced and senior football administrator, Senior Associate Athletic Director Tim Cassidy, helping to manage day-to-day operations, along with a variety of staffers responsible for player development, player personnel, and recruiting, among other areas.
Sun Devil Football's existing recruiting infrastructure will be upgraded through additional staff support and evaluation resources, by instilling a culture of accountability at all levels, and building long-term relationships in communities across the country to help ensure recruiting quality and consistency. Both the sport and administrative divisions will play key roles in student-athlete development.
The New Leadership Model affords coordinators and assistant coaches more flexibility in how they develop student-athletes on the field, and enables Sun Devil Football to build on the 'Championship Life' program already in place through the Office of Student-Athlete Development to better equip student-athletes with the tools and skills necessary to succeed in their respective future endeavors.
Boyd is a former ASU football student-athlete who has risen to the role of Executive Senior Associate Athletic Director after 22-plus years of experience in Sun Devil Athletics. He has overseen the dramatic evolution of the department's Student-Athlete Development efforts and has been nationally recognized.
Graham, who joined Sun Devil Athletics in June 2014, has served as a sport administrator with additional responsibilities surrounding student-athlete development and welfare for the past three-plus years. He will transition to a new role where he will serve as the liaison between the sport and administrative divisions. He has an extensive background with the National Football League Players Association (NFLPA) as he was the Director of Player Engagement for four years before arriving in Tempe, playing a key role in cultivating, maintaining and enhancing relationships with current and former players, business partners and other stakeholders.
Edwards will take a proactive approach to developing coordinators and assistant coaches, drawing on his nearly three decades of NFL experience in a variety of capacities and wide range of leadership positions within both the sport of football and in other endeavors.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/12/3/16732520/herm-edwards-hired-arizona-state-head-coach-announcement
That is the most amazing collection of unaccountable bullshit management buzzwordsmithing that I have seen in a long time. That thing is going to flop like a mother rough rider.
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"In the spirit of innovation, our vision for this program is to have a head coach who serves as a CEO and is the central leader with a collaborative staff around him that will elevate the performance of players and coaches on the field, in the classroom and in our community. Equally important, the head coach will be a dynamic and tireless recruiter."
I dunno, I kinda like this once you get past the buzzwordsmithing,
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Sounds like they intend to run it with a business model, but I don't think all of those words distinguished that model much differently that what everyone else does. They want the head coach on the road recruiting more, can't find another difference.
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"In the spirit of innovation, our vision for this program is to have a head coach who serves as a CEO and is the central leader with a collaborative staff around him that will elevate the performance of players and coaches on the field, in the classroom and in our community. Equally important, the head coach will be a dynamic and tireless recruiter."
I dunno, I kinda like this once you get past the buzzwordsmithing,
So I guess they want ... a head coach? Because once you chisel off all the glamour-shots make up and hair extensions that's pretty much the only thing they said.
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"In the spirit of innovation, our vision for this program is to have a head coach who serves as a CEO and is the central leader with a collaborative staff around him that will elevate the performance of players and coaches on the field, in the classroom and in our community. Equally important, the head coach will be a dynamic and tireless recruiter."
I dunno, I kinda like this once you get past the buzzwordsmithing,
So I guess they want ... a head coach? Because once you chisel off all the glamour-shots make up and hair extensions that's pretty much the only thing they said.
Yes but refer to the discussions about Sean never being a coordinator in one of the many thread about him - people tend to not think about a head coach this way. To me, it's interesting that they openly admit they just want a coach to be a CEO and recruiter and don't mention his technical credentials at all. And really, schools wordsmith the hell out of their releases, too, to make whatever stats they use sound right.
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"In the spirit of innovation, our vision for this program is to have a head coach who serves as a CEO and is the central leader with a collaborative staff around him that will elevate the performance of players and coaches on the field, in the classroom and in our community. Equally important, the head coach will be a dynamic and tireless recruiter."
I dunno, I kinda like this once you get past the buzzwordsmithing,
So I guess they want ... a head coach? Because once you chisel off all the glamour-shots make up and hair extensions that's pretty much the only thing they said.
Yes but refer to the discussions about Sean never being a coordinator in one of the many thread about him - people tend to not think about a head coach this way. To me, it's interesting that they openly admit they just want a coach to be a CEO and recruiter and don't mention his technical credentials at all. And really, schools wordsmith the hell out of their releases, too, to make whatever stats they use sound right.
I personally don't think you can be an effective head coach and just be a CEO type. Not saying Herm isn't gonna be out there engaged in practice.
But most good head coaches in this day and age, while they aren't calling all the plays or defensive sets are engaged and know WTH is going on out there.
Saban, Dabo, Smart are engaged in the granular stuff, Riley is calling the plays I believe. Saban personally coaches the Bama DB's.
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"In the spirit of innovation, our vision for this program is to have a head coach who serves as a CEO and is the central leader with a collaborative staff around him that will elevate the performance of players and coaches on the field, in the classroom and in our community. Equally important, the head coach will be a dynamic and tireless recruiter."
I dunno, I kinda like this once you get past the buzzwordsmithing,
So I guess they want ... a head coach? Because once you chisel off all the glamour-shots make up and hair extensions that's pretty much the only thing they said.
Yes but refer to the discussions about Sean never being a coordinator in one of the many thread about him - people tend to not think about a head coach this way. To me, it's interesting that they openly admit they just want a coach to be a CEO and recruiter and don't mention his technical credentials at all. And really, schools wordsmith the hell out of their releases, too, to make whatever stats they use sound right.
I personally don't think you can be an effective head coach and just be a CEO type. Not saying Herm isn't gonna be out there engaged in practice.
But most good head coaches in this day and age, while they aren't calling all the plays or defensive sets are engaged and know WTH is going on out there.
Saban, Dabo, Smart are engaged in the granular stuff, Riley is calling the plays I believe. Saban personally coaches the Bama DB's.
yeah I agree, it isn't like this is politics where you can just bring in a business leader who will clearly run things better than a career politician.
(no but seriously I agree w/ you. I am also guessing Herm will be engaging on the field)
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Sounds like Taggart to FSU will happen today.
And honestly, last week I never thought he'd be on their board, but after reading some stuff, I could see Leavitt being seriously considered for the head job at Oregon.
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It's like Butch Jones champions of life on steroids.
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UCF gettin' it done.
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/938080119675113472
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/938084748873928705
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It's like Butch Jones champions of life on steroids.
"Bane juice"
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UCF gettin' it done.
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/938080119675113472
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/938084748873928705
I'd love to hear an explanation from the Brent or bust people on this. Unless he gets Tennessee, and he won't, we will have another year where he gets passed by. I think the Mississippi State hire and this one is pretty telling. He's now been passed by Joe Moorhead and Josh Heupel, who was fired as a coordinator just three years ago. He's been lapped by Frost. This UCF job is the exact one he should have lobbied for and gotten.
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Both Tos's say coaching changes are coming.
Will probably be Klein and Coleman leaving
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Both Tos's say coaching changes are coming.
At least some of the talk is of the “oscar to marquette” sort.
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I'd love to hear an explanation from the Brent or bust people on this. Unless he gets Tennessee, and he won't, we will have another year where he gets passed by. I think the Mississippi State hire and this one is pretty telling. He's now been passed by Joe Moorhead and Josh Heupel, who was fired as a coordinator just three years ago. He's been lapped by Frost. This UCF job is the exact one he should have lobbied for and gotten.
Maybe he's a terrible interview? Is he even being invited to interview?
It is odd that he hasn't secured a HC gig at this point, if he is indeed actively pursuing one.
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Both Tos's say coaching changes are coming.
Will probably be Klein and Coleman leaving
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WTF?!
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i don't have any numbers to prove it, and maybe someone wants to take the time to find out, but it seems like offensive coordinators are more likely to get hired as HC's than defensive coordinators in the last handful of years. =mods=?
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Both Tos's say coaching changes are coming.
Will probably be Klein and Coleman leaving
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WTF?!
lol if true, they'll just go grab Michael Smith and Jake Waters. business as usual
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I'd love to hear an explanation from the Brent or bust people on this. Unless he gets Tennessee, and he won't, we will have another year where he gets passed by. I think the Mississippi State hire and this one is pretty telling. He's now been passed by Joe Moorhead and Josh Heupel, who was fired as a coordinator just three years ago. He's been lapped by Frost. This UCF job is the exact one he should have lobbied for and gotten.
I would assume that it's been Brent's decision not to pursue jobs like UCF.
It took Kirby Smart a while to become a HC and he seems to be okay at it.
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I'd love to hear an explanation from the Brent or bust people on this. Unless he gets Tennessee, and he won't, we will have another year where he gets passed by. I think the Mississippi State hire and this one is pretty telling. He's now been passed by Joe Moorhead and Josh Heupel, who was fired as a coordinator just three years ago. He's been lapped by Frost. This UCF job is the exact one he should have lobbied for and gotten.
I would assume that it's been Brent's decision not to pursue jobs like UCF.
It took Kirby Smart a while to become a HC and he seems to be okay at it.
Should have looked for this before my last post. According to Brent, he has had interviews/offers but turned them down. You almost get the feeling he doesn't have a strong desire to be a HC.
Prior the above response, Venables said: "I’ve had opportunities to be a head coach throughout my career and as recently as last week, but my moral compass has told me to be loyal to where I am."
https://247sports.com/college/clemson/Bolt/Clemson-defensive-coordinator-Brent-Venables-responds-to-a-question-about-being-a-candidate-for-the-next-Arkansas-head-coach--111741852
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Glad he had a change of heart after 199 rough ridin' 8
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I don't think anyone is a "Brent or Bust'r".
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Also it's pretty clear that KSU (or an equivalent school) is his sweet spot. Understandable to not want to take over a place like UCF after an undefeated season for a variety of reasons. Also understandable to not want to jump into the SEC West (and Moorhead is a pretty weird hire to make after three days, really). Also understandable that he doesn't get hired at a place like Tennessee or Arkansas.
He doesn't need to go to the MAC or CUSA and he doesn't need to take over a losing program if he doesn't want to.
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Also it's pretty clear that KSU (or an equivalent school) is his sweet spot. Understandable to not want to take over a place like UCF after an undefeated season for a variety of reasons. Also understandable to not want to jump into the SEC West (and Moorhead is a pretty weird hire to make after three days, really). Also understandable that he doesn't get hired at a place like Tennessee or Arkansas.
He doesn't need to go to the MAC or CUSA and he doesn't need to take over a losing program if he doesn't want to.
also it's possible he's completely untouchable as a head coach. Seems pretty unlikely/illogical that he could have untouchable issues and successfully hold down a million dollar+/year job coaching football yet be completely unacceptable as a head coach at UCF.
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Also it's pretty clear that KSU (or an equivalent school) is his sweet spot. Understandable to not want to take over a place like UCF after an undefeated season for a variety of reasons. Also understandable to not want to jump into the SEC West (and Moorhead is a pretty weird hire to make after three days, really). Also understandable that he doesn't get hired at a place like Tennessee or Arkansas.
He doesn't need to go to the MAC or CUSA and he doesn't need to take over a losing program if he doesn't want to.
I think that sums it up pretty well. He's being very selective and obviously enjoys his role as DC very much.
Here's another quote from an interview last year.
"I think he'd be a great head coach," Dabo Swinney said. "I know he's had opportunities to be head coach. I just don't think the right opportunity has come along that he's wanted for whatever reason."
"I really believe that my job is better than a majority of head coaching jobs that are out there ...," Venables said during the College Football Playoff. "There are not many places where you can have it all. I believe that I have been at a few places I have had it all, and I don't want to let it go."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/brent-venables-is-overqualified-so-why-isnt-clemsons-defensive-boss-a-head-coach/
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Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.
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Could be an interesting domino effect that could involve K-State if Jimbo Fisher is pushed out/leaves FSU.
How do you think?
Jimbo moves on, Taggart leaves Oregon for FSU (he and Strong (lol) rumored to be top candidates), Oregon brings in new coach/staff, Leavitt unemployed?
Definitely a reach, but sounds like Jimbo leaving Tally sounds pretty likely at least.
Welp, first few parts have now developed. Sounds like Leavitt will get a hard look as HC at Oregon or follow Taggart to FSU, though.
Could still be interesting.
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Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.
It would be easier for him to get this if he took a job like UCF. If, in fact, Venables wants to be a head coach, he should look at someone like Scott Frost and Willie Taggart as to how to build a career. Both of those guys were playing when Brent was coaching, they took coordinator positions, turned them into very good group of 5 jobs, did well with them to get great, high paying P5 jobs. These guys went from the field to jobs at Nebraska and Florida State while Brent has been a defensive coordinator.
An argument made frequently against Sean is that he shouldn't get the K-State job if it's the only one he can get. That's a fair criticism but it should be equally applied. I'm sorry but it appears as if K-State is the absolute ceiling of job that Brent is getting and I view his unwillingness to take a job ready made for success, like UCF, a giant red flag.
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Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.
Yep, it is rich from any message board to say cordinators don’t get scrutinized and have longevity. In fact the best longevity coaches receive are buyout terms in a contract and the coaches with the best terms are head coaches. I would also say taking a job like UCF or FAU would have less pressure than high end cordinator spot. But I can’t say for certain but I assume fans at Clemson have higher expectations.
I am not sure why Venables hasn’t taken another job. He is going to flirt every year in hopes to get more money out of clemson, but as of now his actions speak louder than words. He really doesn’t seem to want a head job.
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Could be an interesting domino effect that could involve K-State if Jimbo Fisher is pushed out/leaves FSU.
How do you think?
Jimbo moves on, Taggart leaves Oregon for FSU (he and Strong (lol) rumored to be top candidates), Oregon brings in new coach/staff, Leavitt unemployed?
Definitely a reach, but sounds like Jimbo leaving Tally sounds pretty likely at least.
Welp, first few parts have now developed. Sounds like Leavitt will get a hard look as HC at Oregon or follow Taggart to FSU, though.
Could still be interesting.
If he goes to FSU with Taggart, I don't see that athletic department agreeing to that K-State clause. It seems very odd that clause is even needed for an assistant coach on the first place.
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Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.
It would be easier for him to get this if he took a job like UCF. If, in fact, Venables wants to be a head coach, he should look at someone like Scott Frost and Willie Taggart as to how to build a career. Both of those guys were playing when Brent was coaching, they took coordinator positions, turned them into very good group of 5 jobs, did well with them to get great, high paying P5 jobs. These guys went from the field to jobs at Nebraska and Florida State while Brent has been a defensive coordinator.
An argument made frequently against Sean is that he shouldn't get the K-State job if it's the only one he can get. That's a fair criticism but it should be equally applied. I'm sorry but it appears as if K-State is the absolute ceiling of job that Brent is getting and I view his unwillingness to take a job ready made for success, like UCF, a giant red flag.
good points, but do you really believe Venables couldn't get a job like USF or UCF or Toledo or Akron? (I realize those 4 jobs aren't equal). Is anyone asking Sean if he's a candidate at Arkansas?
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Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.
It would be easier for him to get this if he took a job like UCF. If, in fact, Venables wants to be a head coach, he should look at someone like Scott Frost and Willie Taggart as to how to build a career. Both of those guys were playing when Brent was coaching, they took coordinator positions, turned them into very good group of 5 jobs, did well with them to get great, high paying P5 jobs. These guys went from the field to jobs at Nebraska and Florida State while Brent has been a defensive coordinator.
An argument made frequently against Sean is that he shouldn't get the K-State job if it's the only one he can get. That's a fair criticism but it should be equally applied. I'm sorry but it appears as if K-State is the absolute ceiling of job that Brent is getting and I view his unwillingness to take a job ready made for success, like UCF, a giant red flag.
He has been offered and asked to interview for plenty of other jobs we’d consider at our level or just above. Multiple ways to build careers. Kirby Smart went a similar route and seems to be doing well through year 2. I don’t feel it was Brent’s major goal to climb in the profession. I think he just truly enjoys what he does. Remember the story about Snyder lowballing him and Stoops wanting to go talk to Bill? Or about Bob having to take him to the airport?
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Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.
It would be easier for him to get this if he took a job like UCF. If, in fact, Venables wants to be a head coach, he should look at someone like Scott Frost and Willie Taggart as to how to build a career. Both of those guys were playing when Brent was coaching, they took coordinator positions, turned them into very good group of 5 jobs, did well with them to get great, high paying P5 jobs. These guys went from the field to jobs at Nebraska and Florida State while Brent has been a defensive coordinator.
An argument made frequently against Sean is that he shouldn't get the K-State job if it's the only one he can get. That's a fair criticism but it should be equally applied. I'm sorry but it appears as if K-State is the absolute ceiling of job that Brent is getting and I view his unwillingness to take a job ready made for success, like UCF, a giant red flag.
He has been offered and asked to interview for plenty of other jobs we’d consider at our level or just above. Multiple ways to build careers. Kirby Smart went a similar route and seems to be doing well through year 2. I don’t feel it was Brent’s major goal to climb in the profession. I think he just truly enjoys what he does. Remember the story about Snyder lowballing him and Stoops wanting to go talk to Bill? Or about Bob having to take him to the airport?
I don't know those stories plz share
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I think it boils down to a need for stability and comfort. Not a big risk taker.
More on his thoughts about coaching....
“What fulfills you brings you confidence or trust, loyalty, appreciation or when you feel you have credibility,” Venables explained. “Then you have to start completely over, and you really don’t understand it until you are in the middle of it. It’s not like you can just say, ‘I’m just going to pack my trust suitcase, my reliability suitcase and my years of experience suitcase. I’m a people person so I’m going to mesh with everybody.’
“It takes time to develop relationships, and it takes time to develop trust. It takes time to develop credibility. You don’t have those national championships that you coached. You don’t have those All-Americans that you coached and all the years of the tremendous success that you were a part of. You don’t bring that with you.”
“Coaching can be a vicious and nasty cycle,” he said. “The way I looked at it, now you have to move and change jobs every three or four years, or you are going to be chasing a job. I never wanted to be one of those coaches that were a vagabond coach living out of a suitcase and trying to go from this contract to that contract and did not have a place to call home or a place to call family.
“So I felt maybe people did not understand what my intentions were. I did not come to Clemson so I could get a head job because for some reason I could not parlay a head coaching job from where I was. That couldn’t be further from the truth. You don’t know me. Nobody asked me if that is what I thought.”
http://theclemsoninsider.com/2017/08/01/there-is-a-reason-why-venables-likes-to-call-clemson-home/
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Theres an article somewhere that mentions them but from what I remember they went like this:
Bill hired Brent as a lowly assistant and paid him some dogshit amount. Bob heard what the amount was and knew it was crap and told Brent he was going to talk with Bill. Brent begged him not to and said something to the effect of “you’re screwing this up for me”. Basically he didn’t care what he made he just wanted the job.
The other is about Bob having to convince him to go interview for the Clemson job after he brought Mike back. If I recall correctly it was something about Stoops having to drive him to the airport and convince him to get on the plane otherwise he never would’ve left OU.
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Could be an interesting domino effect that could involve K-State if Jimbo Fisher is pushed out/leaves FSU.
How do you think?
Jimbo moves on, Taggart leaves Oregon for FSU (he and Strong (lol) rumored to be top candidates), Oregon brings in new coach/staff, Leavitt unemployed?
Definitely a reach, but sounds like Jimbo leaving Tally sounds pretty likely at least.
Welp, first few parts have now developed. Sounds like Leavitt will get a hard look as HC at Oregon or follow Taggart to FSU, though.
Could still be interesting.
If he goes to FSU with Taggart, I don't see that athletic department agreeing to that K-State clause. It seems very odd that clause is even needed for an assistant coach on the first place.
Isn’t a buyout for an assistant coach to move up to head coach weird to start off with?
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The other is about Bob having to convince him to go interview for the Clemson job after he brought Mike back. If I recall correctly it was something about Stoops having to drive him to the airport and convince him to get on the plane otherwise he never would’ve left OU.
Bob must have had a change of heart.
“There was a lot of finality in closing that chapter,” Venables said. “It was hard. It was hurtful. It was very hard. It was almost why I did not do it. I’m almost here. I’m in Atlanta and Coach Stoops and I are on the phone texting. He is saying, ‘Come on back. Let’s go!’ That was really, really hard.”
http://theclemsoninsider.com/2017/08/01/there-is-a-reason-why-venables-likes-to-call-clemson-home/
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The other is about Bob having to convince him to go interview for the Clemson job after he brought Mike back. If I recall correctly it was something about Stoops having to drive him to the airport and convince him to get on the plane otherwise he never would’ve left OU.
Bob must have had a change of heart.
“There was a lot of finality in closing that chapter,” Venables said. “It was hard. It was hurtful. It was very hard. It was almost why I did not do it. I’m almost here. I’m in Atlanta and Coach Stoops and I are on the phone texting. He is saying, ‘Come on back. Let’s go!’ That was really, really hard.”
http://theclemsoninsider.com/2017/08/01/there-is-a-reason-why-venables-likes-to-call-clemson-home/
At Clemson, though the future looked bright, there were a lot of unknowns at the time. The Tigers were coming off their first ACC Championship in 20 years, but they were embarrassed in the Orange Bowl, 70-33, by West Virginia, which led to Dabo Swinney letting then-defensive coordinator Kevin Steele go, which ultimately led to Venables’ hire.
lol @ kevin steele being mentioned in the UT search. (I remember baylor too)
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Lots of great interviews out there. The '98 CCG left a mark.
Venables interviewed for a job at Oklahoma the week leading up to the game, and the Wildcats ended up blowing a 15-point fourth quarter lead and losing in double overtime.
“Everybody goes, ‘Oh, they were distracted,’ ” Venables recalled. “And I hadn’t decided yet if I was going to leave Kansas State to go to Oklahoma. ... But my name and that time of my career has always been tied to that loss. It might’ve been the most devastating loss that I’ve been a part of because, had we won, we’re playing in the national championship probably against Tennessee. And I just did not like that association.”
A couple of years later when Venables was at Oklahoma, he had an opportunity to interview for the Missouri head coaching job as the Sooners were preparing to play for the Big 12 title, but he opted not to after the experience at Kansas State. He added that he has maintained that philosophy throughout his coaching career since the Wildcats lost the Big 12 title in 1998.
“I was like, ‘You know what, I just told myself don’t ever put yourself back in this position,’ and so I called him and said, ‘You know what, I can’t do it,’ ” Venables said of the Missouri job. “So we’ve had some opportunities. ... Even last week. And just my moral compass said be loyal to coach (Dabo) Swinney and Clemson and the people at Clemson that have been so good to me. So it’s not easy to juggle, and there’s probably no right or wrong answer, but that’s kind of how I’ve always handled the situation.”
http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article188102954.html
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Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.
It would be easier for him to get this if he took a job like UCF. If, in fact, Venables wants to be a head coach, he should look at someone like Scott Frost and Willie Taggart as to how to build a career. Both of those guys were playing when Brent was coaching, they took coordinator positions, turned them into very good group of 5 jobs, did well with them to get great, high paying P5 jobs. These guys went from the field to jobs at Nebraska and Florida State while Brent has been a defensive coordinator.
An argument made frequently against Sean is that he shouldn't get the K-State job if it's the only one he can get. That's a fair criticism but it should be equally applied. I'm sorry but it appears as if K-State is the absolute ceiling of job that Brent is getting and I view his unwillingness to take a job ready made for success, like UCF, a giant red flag.
good points, but do you really believe Venables couldn't get a job like USF or UCF or Toledo or Akron? (I realize those 4 jobs aren't equal). Is anyone asking Sean if he's a candidate at Arkansas?
No no, I think he can, that's the issue for me. He can't get an offer at a decent P5 but he won't take a good group of 5 job. He's been a coordinator for 20 seasons, it's quite clear his shortest path to getting a good P5 job is having one damn decent season at a group of 5. I'm okay with him getting the K-State job, because like I have said we're getting someone with warts regardless. It's just interesting to me that K-Staters are competent okay with his either:
1. Inability to get an equivalent job
2. Lack of motivation to be a head coach
3. Unwillingness to show he's capable of overcoming his perceived shortcomings by taking a decent job.
The rationalization is fascinating to me, that's all.
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wait, venables should look at frost as a blueprint on how to build a career? come the eff on, son. frost is still an unknown and it's yet to be seen how it plays out now that he's in lincoln.
i'd take TBV's career over frost's
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Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.
It would be easier for him to get this if he took a job like UCF. If, in fact, Venables wants to be a head coach, he should look at someone like Scott Frost and Willie Taggart as to how to build a career. Both of those guys were playing when Brent was coaching, they took coordinator positions, turned them into very good group of 5 jobs, did well with them to get great, high paying P5 jobs. These guys went from the field to jobs at Nebraska and Florida State while Brent has been a defensive coordinator.
An argument made frequently against Sean is that he shouldn't get the K-State job if it's the only one he can get. That's a fair criticism but it should be equally applied. I'm sorry but it appears as if K-State is the absolute ceiling of job that Brent is getting and I view his unwillingness to take a job ready made for success, like UCF, a giant red flag.
good points, but do you really believe Venables couldn't get a job like USF or UCF or Toledo or Akron? (I realize those 4 jobs aren't equal). Is anyone asking Sean if he's a candidate at Arkansas?
No no, I think he can, that's the issue for me. He can't get an offer at a decent P5 but he won't take a good group of 5 job. He's been a coordinator for 20 seasons, it's quite clear his shortest path to getting a good P5 job is having one damn decent season at a group of 5. I'm okay with him getting the K-State job, because like I have said we're getting someone with warts regardless. It's just interesting to me that K-Staters are competent okay with his either:
1. Inability to get an equivalent job
2. Lack of motivation to be a head coach
3. Unwillingness to show he's capable of overcoming his perceived shortcomings by taking a decent job.
The rationalization is fascinating to me, that's all.
I think his easiest (not shortest) path to a "decent" P5 is waiting out Bill. Same as Sean!
And I think the fact that he's now the highest paid assistant makes his situation pretty unique - he won't make more money at a G6 school, but he'll be taking a lot of risk. And I get why his aversion to that risk is sort of a red flag.
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Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.
It would be easier for him to get this if he took a job like UCF. If, in fact, Venables wants to be a head coach, he should look at someone like Scott Frost and Willie Taggart as to how to build a career. Both of those guys were playing when Brent was coaching, they took coordinator positions, turned them into very good group of 5 jobs, did well with them to get great, high paying P5 jobs. These guys went from the field to jobs at Nebraska and Florida State while Brent has been a defensive coordinator.
An argument made frequently against Sean is that he shouldn't get the K-State job if it's the only one he can get. That's a fair criticism but it should be equally applied. I'm sorry but it appears as if K-State is the absolute ceiling of job that Brent is getting and I view his unwillingness to take a job ready made for success, like UCF, a giant red flag.
good points, but do you really believe Venables couldn't get a job like USF or UCF or Toledo or Akron? (I realize those 4 jobs aren't equal). Is anyone asking Sean if he's a candidate at Arkansas?
No no, I think he can, that's the issue for me. He can't get an offer at a decent P5 but he won't take a good group of 5 job. He's been a coordinator for 20 seasons, it's quite clear his shortest path to getting a good P5 job is having one damn decent season at a group of 5. I'm okay with him getting the K-State job, because like I have said we're getting someone with warts regardless. It's just interesting to me that K-Staters are competent okay with his either:
1. Inability to get an equivalent job
2. Lack of motivation to be a head coach
3. Unwillingness to show he's capable of overcoming his perceived shortcomings by taking a decent job.
The rationalization is fascinating to me, that's all.
I think his easiest (not shortest) path to a "decent" P5 is waiting out Bill. Same as Sean!
And I think the fact that he's now the highest paid assistant makes his situation pretty unique - he won't make more money at a G6 school, but he'll be taking a lot of risk. And I get why his aversion to that risk is sort of a red flag.
Yep, but it still makes perfect sense to me. Maybe what Venables said in the above interviews is just trying to market himself better, but I personally believe he wants to get fully immersed in a job and has no desire to coach a group of 5 program solely as a resume builder. That is another thing that actually makes Venables extremely appealing to me if KSU can get him. He likely would not look anywhere else other than the absolute top programs if K-State is successful. The fact he no longer wants to interview while his team is playing also works in our favor since Snyder is almost certainly not going to retire at the normal time.
Of course, the other version of the story is that Venables likes being a highly paid assistant without having to do nearly as much PR / front office stuff as a head coach, and he is afraid if he branches out on his own he will fail. That's possible, but I'd rather gamble on a guy like that then go for an up and coming group of 5 coach who would almost certainly jump ship from KSU if a bigger offer came along.
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why don't we pay Venzy a HC salary to be DC and recruit his balls off, and Sean can be the HC, everyone is happy, go cats go
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Of course, the other version of the story is that Venables likes being a highly paid assistant without having to do nearly as much PR / front office stuff as a head coach, and he is afraid if he branches out on his own he will fail. That's possible, but I'd rather gamble on a guy like that then go for an up and coming group of 5 coach who would almost certainly jump ship from KSU if a bigger offer came along.
FWIW Brent is just as likely as anyone to take a "bigger" offer if they are successful.
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Well there is really no evidence of that but ok.
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why don't we pay Venzy a HC salary to be DC and recruit his balls off, and Sean can be the HC, everyone is happy, go cats go
We would need to steal Herm Edwards away to be CEO.
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1. Inability to get an equivalent job
2. Lack of motivation to be a head coach
3. Unwillingness to show he's capable of overcoming his perceived shortcomings by taking a decent job.
I wonder which of these reasons applies to Kirby Smart.
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Well there is really no evidence of that but ok.
well then that should be all the evidence you need, right?
:cool:
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Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.
It would be easier for him to get this if he took a job like UCF. If, in fact, Venables wants to be a head coach, he should look at someone like Scott Frost and Willie Taggart as to how to build a career. Both of those guys were playing when Brent was coaching, they took coordinator positions, turned them into very good group of 5 jobs, did well with them to get great, high paying P5 jobs. These guys went from the field to jobs at Nebraska and Florida State while Brent has been a defensive coordinator.
An argument made frequently against Sean is that he shouldn't get the K-State job if it's the only one he can get. That's a fair criticism but it should be equally applied. I'm sorry but it appears as if K-State is the absolute ceiling of job that Brent is getting and I view his unwillingness to take a job ready made for success, like UCF, a giant red flag.
He has been offered and asked to interview for plenty of other jobs we’d consider at our level or just above. Multiple ways to build careers. Kirby Smart went a similar route and seems to be doing well through year 2. I don’t feel it was Brent’s major goal to climb in the profession. I think he just truly enjoys what he does. Remember the story about Snyder lowballing him and Stoops wanting to go talk to Bill? Or about Bob having to take him to the airport?
I keep hearing about these jobs and I frequently hear him as a candidate, his name was brought up for at least five jobs this year. What I don't hear is him getting jobs. If he doesn't want these jobs why does his head coach and agent keep putting his name out there?
Also you guys gotta stop with the Kirby Smart comparison. Smart was a coordinator for only seven years before he got that Georgia job. There's no way in hell he'd be a coordinator for 20 years.
All of this, loving stability, waiting for the perfect job stuff is ridiculous. Does he think he can be a good coach or not? There are very few jobs that are actual coach killers, most of these jobs can be winners with the right guy, Seth LittreLL is already winning at North Texas for heavens sakes. I dunno, it just seems like this dude doesn't really want to be bothered.
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1. Inability to get an equivalent job
2. Lack of motivation to be a head coach
3. Unwillingness to show he's capable of overcoming his perceived shortcomings by taking a decent job.
I wonder which of these reasons applies to Kirby Smart.
BV's been a DC quite a bit longer than Smart was.
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I dunno, it just seems like this dude doesn't really want to be bothered.
this makes him seem perfect for KSU! :excited:
also LOL at not grasping why an agent might float interest toward a job their client might not take. good grief.
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1. Inability to get an equivalent job
2. Lack of motivation to be a head coach
3. Unwillingness to show he's capable of overcoming his perceived shortcomings by taking a decent job.
I wonder which of these reasons applies to Kirby Smart.
Dude, read a wiki page or something, they aren't comparable at all. Kirby Smart had 10 different jobs at 7 different places, he pretty freaking clearly wanted to be a head coach.
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I dunno, it just seems like this dude doesn't really want to be bothered.
this makes him seem perfect for KSU! :excited:
also LOL at not grasping why an agent might float interest toward a job their client might not take. good grief.
Rusty, goodness man. Please tell me the benefit of Brent seemingly spending 15+ years as candidates for jobs but not getting them. I'd certainly love to see how this squares with the narrative that he could get one of these jobs if he wants one. Consistently being a bridesmaid for these jobs indicates the exact opposite that he could get one of these jobs, similar to K-State.
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wait, venables should look at frost as a blueprint on how to build a career? come the eff on, son. frost is still an unknown and it's yet to be seen how it plays out now that he's in lincoln.
i'd take TBV's career over frost's
Brent clearly had a much better career arc than Frost, well until now. Is there a job in America, including K-State, that would hire Brent over Scott? That was all because of two years running a group of 5 program, something apparently Brent is unwilling to do, which is totally fine but it certainly has led to him being passed in prestige by several of his peers.
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I dunno, it just seems like this dude doesn't really want to be bothered.
this makes him seem perfect for KSU! :excited:
also LOL at not grasping why an agent might float interest toward a job their client might not take. good grief.
Rusty, goodness man. Please tell me the benefit of Brent seemingly spending 15+ years as candidates for jobs but not getting them. I'd certainly love to see how this squares with the narrative that he could get one of these jobs if he wants one. Consistently being a bridesmaid for these jobs indicates the exact opposite that he could get one of these jobs, similar to K-State.
um why do you think Mike Gundy's agent has him flirting with every realistic opening every offseason? Maybe to get more money? (Note that I'm assuming BV turns down some jobs, and isn't the "bridesmaid" for all of them)
*it's to get more money for their client
and yes you can make the argument that by not taking a G5 school hurts his bottom line even more
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Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.
It would be easier for him to get this if he took a job like UCF. If, in fact, Venables wants to be a head coach, he should look at someone like Scott Frost and Willie Taggart as to how to build a career. Both of those guys were playing when Brent was coaching, they took coordinator positions, turned them into very good group of 5 jobs, did well with them to get great, high paying P5 jobs. These guys went from the field to jobs at Nebraska and Florida State while Brent has been a defensive coordinator.
An argument made frequently against Sean is that he shouldn't get the K-State job if it's the only one he can get. That's a fair criticism but it should be equally applied. I'm sorry but it appears as if K-State is the absolute ceiling of job that Brent is getting and I view his unwillingness to take a job ready made for success, like UCF, a giant red flag.
good points, but do you really believe Venables couldn't get a job like USF or UCF or Toledo or Akron? (I realize those 4 jobs aren't equal). Is anyone asking Sean if he's a candidate at Arkansas?
No no, I think he can, that's the issue for me. He can't get an offer at a decent P5 but he won't take a good group of 5 job. He's been a coordinator for 20 seasons, it's quite clear his shortest path to getting a good P5 job is having one damn decent season at a group of 5. I'm okay with him getting the K-State job, because like I have said we're getting someone with warts regardless. It's just interesting to me that K-Staters are competent okay with his either:
1. Inability to get an equivalent job
2. Lack of motivation to be a head coach
3. Unwillingness to show he's capable of overcoming his perceived shortcomings by taking a decent job.
The rationalization is fascinating to me, that's all.
I think his easiest (not shortest) path to a "decent" P5 is waiting out Bill. Same as Sean!
And I think the fact that he's now the highest paid assistant makes his situation pretty unique - he won't make more money at a G6 school, but he'll be taking a lot of risk. And I get why his aversion to that risk is sort of a red flag.
He isn't the highest paid assistant, Dave Arranda is. There are 13 group of five coaches that make more than Brent does. Coaches at Louisiana-Lafayette, Utah State, and Texas San Antonio make slightly less. This isn't about money.
I dunno, it just seems like this dude doesn't really want to be bothered.
this makes him seem perfect for KSU! :excited:
also LOL at not grasping why an agent might float interest toward a job their client might not take. good grief.
Rusty, goodness man. Please tell me the benefit of Brent seemingly spending 15+ years as candidates for jobs but not getting them. I'd certainly love to see how this squares with the narrative that he could get one of these jobs if he wants one. Consistently being a bridesmaid for these jobs indicates the exact opposite that he could get one of these jobs, similar to K-State.
um why do you think Mike Gundy's agent has him flirting with every realistic opening every offseason? Maybe to get more money? (Note that I'm assuming BV turns down some jobs, and isn't the "bridesmaid" for all of them)
*it's to get more money for their client
and yes you can make the argument that by not taking a G6 school hurts his bottom line even more
That doesn't work for assistants, and you know that too. This last off-season was his first raise since he got to Clemson, the entire staff got raises.
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Ah I was looking at last year's salaries: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant
And while it might not make a difference in his assistant salary, being in the mix at places like UT and Arkansas and turning down jobs like FAU or UCF will absolutely increase his value if/when he decides to accept a head coaching job.
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No idea how that works, we'll see I guess.
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A nice get for the hogs.
https://twitter.com/ClowESPN/status/938443098501328896
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Would the media explode if snyder retired after the bowl game?
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Would the media explode if snyder retired after the bowl game?
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no, it would hardly register in the media as the playoff would be less than a week away.
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Dana Dimel to UTEP :D
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whoa
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Forced the eff out!
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Fricken Sweat!! :Woohoo: :driving: :Woot:
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:runaway:
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Bob Stoops, want a low stress job?
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Dana Dimel to UTEP :D
:sdeek: what does the family fullback do?
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:Woot:
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:surprised:
:bwpopcorn:
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This means Bill is retiring, right?
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It means Sean just whipped his massive male genitals out and Dana landed on the Mexican border
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Sean HCIW. :bang:
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Lol...
https://twitter.com/Riley_Gates/status/938536239921328134
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sounds like Riley is well coached in the gpc ways
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Guys! :Woohoo:
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wonder if any coaches go with him? reset button if you think Bill is leaving soon or don't want to work for Sean. only options are obviousley Klein, Seiler, Coleman.
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Dana Dimel to UTEP :D
:sdeek: what does the family fullback do?
Transfer to OU. Didn’t you read the definitive rumor thread?
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Dana Dimel to UTEP :D
:sdeek: what does the family fullback do?
Transfer to OU. Didn’t you read the definitive rumor thread?
Markome can't be trusted......he had Dimel leaving for ASU for pete's sake.
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https://twitter.com/sbnminerrush/status/938546711030407168
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A lot of personal agendas materializing in this thread.
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Dana Dimel to UTEP :D
:sdeek: what does the family fullback do?
Transfer to OU. Didn’t you read the definitive rumor thread?
idk, the single season rushing record at Texas Western is only 20
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It means Sean just whipped his massive male genitals out and Dana landed on the Mexican border
This made me seriously LOL. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2FLOL.gif&hash=051f3fb1b611b245e24b959f45bf9c47c5ede604)
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The posts hinting that Dana was forced out or this means anything other than the dude left for a head coaching job, that's just people gEing right?
I can't tell, I've spent an hour reading the board at KSO and I literally have a headache from reading all of the stupid crap over there.
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Sean kicked him to the curb, get over yourself.
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Sean kicked him to the curb, get over yourself.
Yep, just read about 40 different versions of this, I'm about ready to kick a puppy.
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What's your theory he chose to move to Mexico for the same pay to coach the worst team in fbs because he was dying to be a head coach again ?
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Cartels. Smh
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What's your theory he chose to move to Mexico for the same pay to coach the worst team in fbs because he was dying to be a head coach again ?
Uh, yeah. There are like 130 FBS jobs and while they were winless, it isn't close to the worst job. When the hell would he get another chance to be a FBS head coach again?
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Guess on UTEP Staff:
Dimel - HC
Cox - DC
Debord - OC
Waters -QBs
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The posts hinting that Dana was forced out or this means anything other than the dude left for a head coaching job, that's just people gEing right?
I can't tell, I've spent an hour reading the board at KSO and I literally have a headache from reading all of the stupid crap over there.
A lot of rumblings in Vanier about him and Snyder not getting along. Dimel may have taken the job because its a HC gig, Snyder told him to GTFO, or him wanting to GTFO.
A HC job is certainly reason enough to leave for most people. Yes UTEP sucks but Dimel may not get an offer anywhere else.
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A HC job is certainly reason enough to leave for most people. Yes UTEP sucks but Dimel may not get an offer anywhere else.
Agree. Even if he wasn't encouraged to leave, he knew his time in Manhattan was nearing an end with Bill hanging it up. Might as well take the offer while it's available. Odds are against him getting another HC shot a year from now.
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Alabama DC to Tennessee
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The posts hinting that Dana was forced out or this means anything other than the dude left for a head coaching job, that's just people gEing right?
I can't tell, I've spent an hour reading the board at KSO and I literally have a headache from reading all of the stupid crap over there.
I am avoiding all the various OC threads over there. Man.
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Dimel wants to be a HC again, it became obvious he never was going to get a shot to be the next guy at K-State he went to a job where he’ll get time to turn it around, and if he even gets them to .500 he may get a shot at a slightly better job. Anyone who thinks he was “forced” out is an idiot.
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I wonder if Dimel leaving is our clearest signal that Bill’s retirement is imminent?
Dimel taking another HC gig seems to be an indicator that he believed he wouldn’t get the KSU HC gig.
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I wonder if Dimel leaving is our clearest signal that Bill’s retirement is imminent?
Dimel taking another HC gig seems to be an indicator that he believed he wouldn’t get the KSU HC gig.
Yes, Bill/Sean used their power of influence to "force" Dana to look at different HC gigs.
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When you're 78 years old, coaching college football, your retirement is always imminent.
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Ok, now who else is leaving?
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Fabris
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Ok, now who else is leaving?
Larry (Fabris), Curly (Hayes), and Mo will all be leaving.
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Ok, now who else is leaving?
Larry (Fabris), Curly (Hayes), and Mo will all be leaving.
Is this pretty much all our defensive staff except Seiler?
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Ok, now who else is leaving?
Larry (Fabris), Curly (Hayes), and Mo will all be leaving.
Is this pretty much all our defensive staff except Seiler?
ya
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Is Bielma under the radar for on-field or off-field behavior
Can you imaging watching that guy destroy a slice of prime rib at Harry's?
:billdance:
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So UT fired Currie so they could hire Bama's DC? yeesh
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Ok, now who else is leaving?
Larry (Fabris), Curly (Hayes), and Mo will all be leaving.
Is this pretty much all our defensive staff except Seiler?
ya
Cox?
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Ok, now who else is leaving?
Larry (Fabris), Curly (Hayes), and Mo will all be leaving.
Is this pretty much all our defensive staff except Seiler?
ya
Cox?
a) He was fired last year and b) he's likely going with Dimel to UTEP.
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What would you all say is the minimum win % against P5 teams that an average coach should have? What win% would make you a great coach? Hall of fame caliber coach?
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What would you all say is the minimum win % against P5 teams that an average coach should have? What win% would make you a great coach? Hall of fame caliber coach?
Too many variables. Conference, division, historical record, enthusiasm of the fan base. 50% @ ku, gets you a statue. 50% @ Auburn gets you death threats.
It is quite true that programs all have different expectations, but I think some rough baselines can be established if you don't include the extreme outliers like KU.
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This is a good question.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/win-loss-pct-coach-career.html
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Gong bowling more often than not and being close to 500 in conference play is going to keep you at most middle of the road p5 jobs. Without going thru them all my gut tells me there are less middle of the road jobs than there are "football school" jobs with hire expectations
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This is a good question.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/win-loss-pct-coach-career.html
Didn't expect to see Frank Kush & RC Slocum in the top 50.
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https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/939262783375454208
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https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/939262783375454208
Nothing would be better than seeing them flop.
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jeez he didn't retain a single coach?
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jeez he didn't retain a single coach?
Why would he? UCF is a better program.
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so what does UCF do at the bowl game in this situation?
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so what does UCF do at the bowl game in this situation?
Frost says he still wants to coach them.
“I want to,” Frost told al.com at the Home Depot College Football Awards show Thursday night. “We’re trying to work it out so both sides are happy with the arrangement. I had a special group of guys down there at UCF and I want to do everything I can for them.
“So if we can get it worked out, I want to give those guys the best shot to win a game against a really good team in the Peach Bowl.”
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Venables' message about his future to 4-star commit
https://www.tigernet.com/update/recruiting/Venables-message-about-his-future-to-4-star-commit-28967
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Unfortunately, even that, won't kill the ridiculous Brent hype.
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Yeah, we have like two or three pages of Venzy quotes implying that he really isn't trying to be a HC right now.
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That sounds to me like something almost any assistant would say to a recruit. I don’t know how many guys go into a recruit’s home and says he’s bolting in a couple of years.
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That sounds to me like something almost any assistant would say to a recruit. I don’t know how many guys go into a recruit’s home and says he’s bolting in a couple of years.
He expressly stated that he's staying at Clemson then gave reasons why he's doing so, there wasn't the slightest hedge. Like joker said it isn't like that's the only evidence we have of his intentions either.
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This is a good question.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/win-loss-pct-coach-career.html
Didn't expect to see Frank Kush & RC Slocum in the top 50.
The same RC that was fired from ATM.
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TCU’s AD leaving to be AD at UTexas
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That sounds to me like something almost any assistant would say to a recruit. I don’t know how many guys go into a recruit’s home and says he’s bolting in a couple of years.
He expressly stated that he's staying at Clemson then gave reasons why he's doing so, there wasn't the slightest hedge. Like joker said it isn't like that's the only evidence we have of his intentions either.
I think he intends to stay there awhile too. I just don’t think him telling a recruit that is terribly convincing evidence.
I do think he’ll eventually leave and could’ve been a HC somewhere if he wanted. I’m not sure if he’s waiting for specific jobs or something in his personal life (kids to college or whatever).
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Proud Paul to be UCLA’s Dbacks coach
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Sonny Dykes to SMU
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Sonny Dykes to SMU
crap like this is why the lack of minorities in college football coaching is problematic. This garbage retread didn't deserve this job. SMU will suck and they'll get what they deserve.
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https://twitter.com/Matthew_D_Hall/status/940691751987306496
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Were those four sources: Trim, SD, Dickstone & Pete? Just asking for a friend. :Wha:
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Probably best that he comes back at this point.
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Bill, will you just get the hell out please?
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Were those four sources: Trim, SD, Dickstone & Pete? Just asking for a friend. :Wha:
Not me.
How does Bill planning to come back jive with the idea from a few weeks ago that his contract calls for his pay to cease next month?
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I'm sure GPC will claim they've been sitting on this info for weeks.
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Flow chart
Does Sean get the job? If yes: retire. if no: come back/die
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this will give us a solid year of Sean-as-leader twitter, which I'm legitimately looking forward to.
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i hate that this has turned into a BREAKING NEWS thing. until he says otherwise, he's going to continue coaching. any noise other than that is generated by people outside of the program that don't know anything.
i understand wanting him to retire, fwiw. but that's a different conversation.
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i hate that this has turned into a BREAKING NEWS thing. until he says otherwise, he's going to continue coaching. any noise other than that is generated by people outside of the program that don't know anything.
i understand wanting him to retire, fwiw. but that's a different conversation.
You don't think it's news that our nearly 80 year old coach with cancer is planning to coach another season?
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i hate that this has turned into a BREAKING NEWS thing. until he says otherwise, he's going to continue coaching. any noise other than that is generated by people outside of the program that don't know anything.
i understand wanting him to retire, fwiw. but that's a different conversation.
is this the gpc line on why they didn't have a story?
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i hate that this has turned into a BREAKING NEWS thing. until he says otherwise, he's going to continue coaching. any noise other than that is generated by people outside of the program that don't know anything.
i understand wanting him to retire, fwiw. but that's a different conversation.
You don't think it's news that our nearly 80 year old coach with cancer is planning to coach another season?
i do, i guess i just wish he would say that all along. i think he answers "i'll evaluate after the season" when he knows damn well he plans to come back next season.
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i hate that this has turned into a BREAKING NEWS thing. until he says otherwise, he's going to continue coaching. any noise other than that is generated by people outside of the program that don't know anything.
i understand wanting him to retire, fwiw. but that's a different conversation.
You don't think it's news that our nearly 80 year old coach with cancer is planning to coach another season?
i do, i guess i just wish he would say that all along. i think he answers "i'll evaluate after the season" when he knows damn well he plans to come back next season.
I just wish he would gracefully step down like a non-weirdo, instead of cosplaying around like he's actually being a head football coach of a P5 program.
How many times this year did he say wtf things in the post-game press conference? Bill was a GREAT coach, but I think it's obvious now that he either doesn't have the wherewithal or the energy to exhibit same insane micromanagement that he did during his heyday. IMO, Head Coach LHC Bill Snyder in 2017 is far different than the HCBS in 1992, 2003, and 2012.
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i hate that this has turned into a BREAKING NEWS thing. until he says otherwise, he's going to continue coaching. any noise other than that is generated by people outside of the program that don't know anything.
i understand wanting him to retire, fwiw. but that's a different conversation.
You don't think it's news that our nearly 80 year old coach with cancer is planning to coach another season?
i do, i guess i just wish he would say that all along. i think he answers "i'll evaluate after the season" when he knows damn well he plans to come back next season.
I just wish he would gracefully step down like a non-weirdo, instead of cosplaying around like he's actually being a head football coach of a P5 program.
How many times this year did he say wtf things in the post-game press conference? Bill was a GREAT coach, but I think it's obvious now that he either doesn't have the wherewithal or the energy to exhibit same insane micromanagement that he did during his heyday. IMO, Head Coach LHC Bill Snyder in 2017 is far different than the HCBS in 1992, 2003, and 2012.
the HCBS of 2017 should be different from 1992. For a lot of reasons. IMO the less he's involved, the better, really. But I think he's still way more involved than you give him credit for.
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i don't know about 1992, but 2017 bill is the exact same as 2012 bill in terms of involvement.
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i hate that this has turned into a BREAKING NEWS thing. until he says otherwise, he's going to continue coaching. any noise other than that is generated by people outside of the program that don't know anything.
i understand wanting him to retire, fwiw. but that's a different conversation.
is this the gpc line on why they didn't have a story?
I spoke directly yesterday with someone who had just spoken with Coach, and he believes Coach Snyder will retire, but it was simply his opinion and that's not enough to base a story on. There's a difference between educated opinions and knowing for sure. If Coach Snyder sets a date to announce his return and we know of it, we will report that at the proper time.
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i don't know about 1992, but 2017 bill is the exact same as 2012 bill in terms of involvement.
even on gameday? Seems like he is not on the headset much anymore - do we even have a Neek ?
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i hate that this has turned into a BREAKING NEWS thing. until he says otherwise, he's going to continue coaching. any noise other than that is generated by people outside of the program that don't know anything.
i understand wanting him to retire, fwiw. but that's a different conversation.
is this the gpc line on why they didn't have a story?
I spoke directly yesterday with someone who had just spoken with Coach, and he believes Coach Snyder will retire, but it was simply his opinion and that's not enough to base a story on. There's a difference between educated opinions and knowing for sure. If Coach Snyder sets a date to announce his return and we know of it, we will report that at the proper time.
They are such dicks
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i don't know about 1992, but 2017 bill is the exact same as 2012 bill in terms of involvement.
even on gameday? Seems like he is not on the headset much anymore - do we even have a Neek ?
When people say this I'm curious as to know what the hell it's based on.
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it's not A neek, it's THE neek
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i hate that this has turned into a BREAKING NEWS thing. until he says otherwise, he's going to continue coaching. any noise other than that is generated by people outside of the program that don't know anything.
i understand wanting him to retire, fwiw. but that's a different conversation.
You don't think it's news that our nearly 80 year old coach with cancer is planning to coach another season?
i do, i guess i just wish he would say that all along. i think he answers "i'll evaluate after the season" when he knows damn well he plans to come back next season.
I just wish he would gracefully step down like a non-weirdo, instead of cosplaying around like he's actually being a head football coach of a P5 program.
How many times this year did he say wtf things in the post-game press conference? Bill was a GREAT coach, but I think it's obvious now that he either doesn't have the wherewithal or the energy to exhibit same insane micromanagement that he did during his heyday. IMO, Head Coach LHC Bill Snyder in 2017 is far different than the HCBS in 1992, 2003, and 2012.
Can't wait until Bill goes 11-2 next year with a loss in the Big12 championship game that cost us a playoff shot. Will shove it right in D-Lew's face then we will say whatever man, the Sugar Bowl is going to be pretty sweet.
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this will give us a solid year of Sean-as-leader twitter, which I'm legitimately looking forward to.
Sean's parents don't know he is on twitter, so he dgaf.
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I'd love to see a thread dedicated to Coach Sean's lessons in leadership.
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Will Sean be promoted to OC so he can take over when Bill retires before the season begins?
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i don't know about 1992, but 2017 bill is the exact same as 2012 bill in terms of involvement.
even on gameday? Seems like he is not on the headset much anymore - do we even have a Neek ?
When people say this I'm curious as to know what the hell it's based on.
It's based on his comments in postgames when he said he didn't know what the hell was going on with the playcalling? Maybe he always didn't know what was happening with our offensive system, but who knows.
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i don't know about 1992, but 2017 bill is the exact same as 2012 bill in terms of involvement.
even on gameday? Seems like he is not on the headset much anymore - do we even have a Neek ?
When people say this I'm curious as to know what the hell it's based on.
It's based on his comments in postgames when he said he didn't know what the hell was going on with the playcalling? Maybe he always didn't know what was happening with our offensive system, but who knows.
Yes, dlew we've literally been talking about that for the extent of Snyder 2.0 and you absolutely know that. You also are smart enough to know when he's acting like he has no idea what's going on, he's likely lying out of his ass. The most recent example of him being a lying liarsons was when he acted like he didn't know who Brett McMurphy was.
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i don't know about 1992, but 2017 bill is the exact same as 2012 bill in terms of involvement.
even on gameday? Seems like he is not on the headset much anymore - do we even have a Neek ?
When people say this I'm curious as to know what the hell it's based on.
It's based on his comments in postgames when he said he didn't know what the hell was going on with the playcalling? Maybe he always didn't know what was happening with our offensive system, but who knows.
Okay so we acknowledge that he wears a headset, at least we should. When he acts like he doesn't know what's going on when the media asks him, I'm dumbfounded that people take that for gospel. What exactly do you think he's using the headset for? Even if he isn't talking, he is, it's certainly listening, unless you think he's listening to NPR or Mel Tillis and Conway Twitty.
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My grandpa could have had a long conversation with Brett McMurphy a couple of years ago and have no idea who he is today. It’s really not outside the realm of possibility that Bill didn’t recall who he is.
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My grandpa could have had a long conversation with Brett McMurphy a couple of years ago and have no idea who he is today. It’s really not outside the realm of possibility that Bill didn’t recall who he is.
:dubious:
Are you rough ridin' serious?
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Phil Bennett is leaving Arizona State after their bowl game.
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My grandpa could have had a long conversation with Brett McMurphy a couple of years ago and have no idea who he is today. It’s really not outside the realm of possibility that Bill didn’t recall who he is.
:dubious:
Are you rough ridin' serious?
so, i'll tell this story because it won't blow a source. but this guy was on the field with bishop and darnell mcdonald during week 1. mcdonald hadn't been back to manhattan since his playing days. he walked up to snyder on the field pre-game and snyder had no idea who he was. mcdonald looked back to bish and my friend on the sidelines and shrugged his shoulders. just, like, "i don't know what's up." so, snyder, being out of it is not outside of the realm of possibility.
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i don't know about 1992, but 2017 bill is the exact same as 2012 bill in terms of involvement.
even on gameday? Seems like he is not on the headset much anymore - do we even have a Neek ?
When people say this I'm curious as to know what the hell it's based on.
It's based on his comments in postgames when he said he didn't know what the hell was going on with the playcalling? Maybe he always didn't know what was happening with our offensive system, but who knows.
Okay so we acknowledge that he wears a headset, at least we should. When he acts like he doesn't know what's going on when the media asks him, I'm dumbfounded that people take that for gospel. What exactly do you think he's using the headset for? Even if he isn't talking, he is, it's certainly listening, unless you think he's listening to NPR or Mel Tillis and Conway Twitty.
They're Bose noise cancelling headphones, mir.
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i don't know about 1992, but 2017 bill is the exact same as 2012 bill in terms of involvement.
even on gameday? Seems like he is not on the headset much anymore - do we even have a Neek ?
When people say this I'm curious as to know what the hell it's based on.
It's based on his comments in postgames when he said he didn't know what the hell was going on with the playcalling? Maybe he always didn't know what was happening with our offensive system, but who knows.
Okay so we acknowledge that he wears a headset, at least we should. When he acts like he doesn't know what's going on when the media asks him, I'm dumbfounded that people take that for gospel. What exactly do you think he's using the headset for? Even if he isn't talking, he is, it's certainly listening, unless you think he's listening to NPR or Mel Tillis and Conway Twitty.
I've been surmising that they give him a headset and just don't plug it into anything like that radio DJamer from wet hot american summer
Yes, dlew we've literally been talking about that for the extent of Snyder 2.0 and you absolutely know that. You also are smart enough to know when he's acting like he has no idea what's going on, he's likely lying out of his ass. The most recent example of him being a lying liarsons was when he acted like he didn't know who Brett McMurphy was.
Is he being a lying liarsons when he calls Skylar Thompson "Taylor" on the coach's show? Or is he just being a mispeaking michael or a forgetful finnegan?
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Dinkmentia Darrell?
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My grandpa could have had a long conversation with Brett McMurphy a couple of years ago and have no idea who he is today. It’s really not outside the realm of possibility that Bill didn’t recall who he is.
:dubious:
Are you rough ridin' serious?
so, i'll tell this story because it won't blow a source. but this guy was on the field with bishop and darnell mcdonald during week 1. mcdonald hadn't been back to manhattan since his playing days. he walked up to snyder on the field pre-game and snyder had no idea who he was. mcdonald looked back to bish and my friend on the sidelines and shrugged his shoulders. just, like, "i don't know what's up." so, snyder, being out of it is not outside of the realm of possibility.
This is interesting because I literally spent an entire quarter of this game with Mike, Darnell, and Jeff. Also worth noting that Darnell hasn't been back here since he left 19 years ago, he's 41 years old and barely recognized me despite the fact that we had classes together at GCCC and K-State, we got into two fights in four years (both over basketball), worked together at GCCC and the Rec, he dated one of my home girls, and he sat in.my living room more than once eating my food and playing my PlayStation, including the night of the Nebraska win.
Long story short, you sometimes forget what people look like when you go 20 years without seeing them.
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i don't know about 1992, but 2017 bill is the exact same as 2012 bill in terms of involvement.
even on gameday? Seems like he is not on the headset much anymore - do we even have a Neek ?
When people say this I'm curious as to know what the hell it's based on.
It's based on his comments in postgames when he said he didn't know what the hell was going on with the playcalling? Maybe he always didn't know what was happening with our offensive system, but who knows.
Okay so we acknowledge that he wears a headset, at least we should. When he acts like he doesn't know what's going on when the media asks him, I'm dumbfounded that people take that for gospel. What exactly do you think he's using the headset for? Even if he isn't talking, he is, it's certainly listening, unless you think he's listening to NPR or Mel Tillis and Conway Twitty.
I've been surmising that they give him a headset and just don't plug it into anything like that radio DJamer from wet hot american summer
Yes, dlew we've literally been talking about that for the extent of Snyder 2.0 and you absolutely know that. You also are smart enough to know when he's acting like he has no idea what's going on, he's likely lying out of his ass. The most recent example of him being a lying liarsons was when he acted like he didn't know who Brett McMurphy was.
Is he being a lying liarsons when he calls Skylar Thompson "Taylor" on the coach's show? Or is he just being a mispeaking michael or a forgetful finnegan?
To get this back on track, are you contending misspeaking Thompson's name is evidence of Snyder not "being as involved on the headset" this season?
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Is he being a lying liarsons when he calls Skylar Thompson "Taylor" on the coach's show? Or is he just being a mispeaking michael or a forgetful finnegan?
To get this back on track, are you contending misspeaking Thompson's name is evidence of Snyder not "being as involved on the headset" this season?
Nah. I don't think I've said he wasn't as involved on the headset. To be clear, I DON'T think he's as involved, but that's not what I was getting at.
I'm contending that Snyder "misstating" the name of his starting quarterback is another example that makes me wonder if Snyder's age is catching up with him. The guy is damn near 80 and weighs about 110 pounds.
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Is he being a lying liarsons when he calls Skylar Thompson "Taylor" on the coach's show? Or is he just being a mispeaking michael or a forgetful finnegan?
To get this back on track, are you contending misspeaking Thompson's name is evidence of Snyder not "being as involved on the headset" this season?
Nah. I don't think I've said he wasn't as involved on the headset. To be clear, I DON'T think he's as involved, but that's not what I was getting at.
I'm contending that Snyder "misstating" the name of his starting quarterback is another example that makes me wonder if Snyder's age is catching up with him. The guy is damn near 80 and weighs about 110 pounds.
Okay, I agree with that, not sure who wouldn't. Back to the topic of his involvement. He definitely has empowered his assistants more than he has in the past, but again this has been a constant of Snyder 2.0, I don't think he's called a play since 2005. This isn't new at all, I'm actually insulted at the belief that all of a sudden this is some Weekend at Bernie's bullshit. He's actually allowing his assistants to do their jobs, doesn't mean he isn't still the HNIC.
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it's sad that people are grasping for straws to show that snyder has dementia to justify their desire for him to retire. if you think the results on the field aren't good enough, fine, i agree. but screaming "HE'S DEMENTED" is good for no one. he's as involved with the program as he's ever been since he came back in '09.
for what it's worth, if it were my choice i would have him move on and hire brent venables. so i'm on your side. but to act like suddenly it's so much different in the past 2 or 3 seasons is ignorant. no, he doesn't call plays, and i bet people would complain if he did, saying he needs to delegate more.
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Head Nepotist In Charge?
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it's sad that people are grasping for straws to show that snyder has dementia to justify their desire for him to retire. if you think the results on the field aren't good enough, fine, i agree. but screaming "HE'S DEMENTED" is good for no one. he's as involved with the program as he's ever been since he came back in '09.
for what it's worth, if it were my choice i would have him move on and hire brent venables. so i'm on your side. but to act like suddenly it's so much different in the past 2 or 3 seasons is ignorant. no, he doesn't call plays, and i bet people would complain if he did, saying he needs to delegate more.
Not to be a dick, and I'm not saying he is now, but it has been proven that cancer treatments can have serious cognitive effects. This could also include the onset of dementia, or early onset (this has been proven). Not to say that would be the difference in the past 2 or 3 seasons, but to say someone is ignorant for thinking that, is a stretch.
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people were saying it before cancer was in the picture
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it's sad that people are grasping for straws to show that snyder has dementia to justify their desire for him to retire. if you think the results on the field aren't good enough, fine, i agree. but screaming "HE'S DEMENTED" is good for no one. he's as involved with the program as he's ever been since he came back in '09.
for what it's worth, if it were my choice i would have him move on and hire brent venables. so i'm on your side. but to act like suddenly it's so much different in the past 2 or 3 seasons is ignorant. no, he doesn't call plays, and i bet people would complain if he did, saying he needs to delegate more.
Jeeze Sean lighten up.
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people were saying it before cancer was in the picture
Yes, lots of people have said things during Snyder 2.0, which I feel were mostly making jokes or gE'ing, because it was pretty obvious he was still witty and quick to respond to questions, and still an impressive speaker during press conferences, etc. But what people are bringing up are situations from this year, that could simply be lapses or raise serious red flags and could be 100% real.
I can't come up with many of the red flag examples so I'll stay out of it. But it absolutely shouldn't just be ignored and people with concern shouldn't be referred to as ignorant for that concern.
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it's sad that people are grasping for straws to show that snyder has dementia to justify their desire for him to retire. if you think the results on the field aren't good enough, fine, i agree. but screaming "HE'S DEMENTED" is good for no one. he's as involved with the program as he's ever been since he came back in '09.
for what it's worth, if it were my choice i would have him move on and hire brent venables. so i'm on your side. but to act like suddenly it's so much different in the past 2 or 3 seasons is ignorant. no, he doesn't call plays, and i bet people would complain if he did, saying he needs to delegate more.
Not to be a dick, and I'm not saying he is now, but it has been proven that cancer treatments can have serious cognitive effects. This could also include the onset of dementia, or early onset (this has been proven). Not to say that would be the difference in the past 2 or 3 seasons, but to say someone is ignorant for thinking that, is a stretch.
I'm not screaming he's demented. I'm saying his health has dramatically changed over the course of Snyder 2.0, and he's now, what, 8 years older than he was when he returned? I don't think it's crazy to suggest that maybe that's starting to catch up with him energy-wise, and, yes, mentally.
Me being dissatisfied with the results on the field and me wondering about Snyder's capacity to serve as head coach aren't mutually exclusive.
Was I disappointed with this season's results? Yes I was. Do I think his age and health contributed to our disappointing season? I'd guess that yes, they did. Because of those things, I think he should retire.
Maybe Snyder is as involved as he was in 2012. You and MIR seem to hold onto that as if it's a stone cold fact, but me? I doubt it. FWIW, I assume we're all making guesses as to his levels of involvement.
I never subscribed to the "#dinkmentia" nonsense, partly because I thought it was disrespectful and partly because, at the time, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I didn't really suspect "weekend at bernie's bullshit" until i learned that Snyder had cancer. That's when I thought, "huh, ya know, Snyder is getting up there in age. These things happen." I found his decision to come back and coach this year particularly odd. He's an elderly man with cancer. How could he possibly fulfill a demanding role like head-coaching a P5 program? Maybe he's always misstated his most important players' names and feigned confusion to the media, but in light of his age and health, those incidents sound off alarm bells with me.
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He didn't know if it was H3O or #LiFE out there.
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dementia is awful, and if Snyder ever has it, i will be truly sad af
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it's sad that people are grasping for straws to show that snyder has dementia to justify their desire for him to retire. if you think the results on the field aren't good enough, fine, i agree. but screaming "HE'S DEMENTED" is good for no one. he's as involved with the program as he's ever been since he came back in '09.
for what it's worth, if it were my choice i would have him move on and hire brent venables. so i'm on your side. but to act like suddenly it's so much different in the past 2 or 3 seasons is ignorant. no, he doesn't call plays, and i bet people would complain if he did, saying he needs to delegate more.
Not to be a dick, and I'm not saying he is now, but it has been proven that cancer treatments can have serious cognitive effects. This could also include the onset of dementia, or early onset (this has been proven). Not to say that would be the difference in the past 2 or 3 seasons, but to say someone is ignorant for thinking that, is a stretch.
I'm not screaming he's demented. I'm saying his health has dramatically changed over the course of Snyder 2.0, and he's now, what, 8 years older than he was when he returned? I don't think it's crazy to suggest that maybe that's starting to catch up with him energy-wise, and, yes, mentally.
Me being dissatisfied with the results on the field and me wondering about Snyder's capacity to serve as head coach aren't mutually exclusive.
Was I disappointed with this season's results? Yes I was. Do I think his age and health contributed to our disappointing season? I'd guess that yes, they did. Because of those things, I think he should retire.
Maybe Snyder is as involved as he was in 2012. You and MIR seem to hold onto that as if it's a stone cold fact, but me? I doubt it. FWIW, I assume we're all making guesses as to his levels of involvement.
I never subscribed to the "#dinkmentia" nonsense, partly because I thought it was disrespectful and partly because, at the time, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I didn't really suspect "weekend at bernie's bullshit" until i learned that Snyder had cancer. That's when I thought, "huh, ya know, Snyder is getting up there in age. These things happen." I found his decision to come back and coach this year particularly odd. He's an elderly man with cancer. How could he possibly fulfill a demanding role like head-coaching a P5 program? Maybe he's always misstated his most important players' names and feigned confusion to the media, but in light of his age and health, those incidents sound off alarm bells with me.
I asked for reasoning as to why people say he isn't as involved, shooter gave as good of a reason as I've seen but is still conjecture. I sit directly behind the bench and three times in the last two seasons I've been on the sideline, I've seen no evidence to indicate any change in that time to how LHC Bill Snyder runs his program. I'm holding on to this as fact because there's absolutely zero concrete evidence to the contrary, not seeing him moving his lips when he's on camera isn't close to enough.
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mir has spoken so stfu everyone else
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Bill went to a lot of wooly basketball games so a Skylar Thomas/Thompson slip is almost expected.
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Bill went to a lot of wooly basketball games so a Skylar Thomas/Thompson slip is almost expected.
yeah but he called him taylor. could he have gotten him confused with shortlived KSU great Val Taylor?
I asked for reasoning as to why people say he isn't as involved, shooter gave as good of a reason as I've seen but is still conjecture. I sit directly behind the bench and three times in the last two seasons I've been on the sideline, I've seen no evidence to indicate any change in that time to how LHC Bill Snyder runs his program. I'm holding on to this as fact because there's absolutely zero concrete evidence to the contrary, not seeing him moving his lips when he's on camera isn't close to enough.
Yeah man, your awesome seats are cool and all, but we're both ultimately basing our opinions on conjecture -- which is fine because this is a sports message board.. You asked why i don't think he's as involved anymore and I told you that i'm basing my opinions on his health, his age, and his press-conference comments where he basically admits to being out of the loop. You think that evidence is trash, which i fully understand.
You have your opinion and I have mine.
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mir has spoken so stfu everyone else
Yeah because most threads on this board turn into MIR browbeating his opinion into the crowd and treating everyone else like they're stupid because they dont agree with him.
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i've known MIR for like, 10 years guys. we're just having a bbs argument. chill out.
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Bill went to a lot of wooly basketball games so a Skylar Thomas/Thompson slip is almost expected.
yeah but he called him taylor. could he have gotten him confused with shortlived KSU great Val Taylor?
I asked for reasoning as to why people say he isn't as involved, shooter gave as good of a reason as I've seen but is still conjecture. I sit directly behind the bench and three times in the last two seasons I've been on the sideline, I've seen no evidence to indicate any change in that time to how LHC Bill Snyder runs his program. I'm holding on to this as fact because there's absolutely zero concrete evidence to the contrary, not seeing him moving his lips when he's on camera isn't close to enough.
Yeah man, your awesome seats are cool and all, but we're both ultimately basing our opinions on conjecture -- which is fine because this is a sports message board.. You asked why i don't think he's as involved anymore and I told you that i'm basing my opinions on his health, his age, and his press-conference comments where he basically admits to being out of the loop. You think that evidence is trash, which i fully understand.
You have your opinion and I have mine.
None of that is trash, it's more likely to be fact than not, it just isn't evidence that he isn't as involved as he was in 2009.
I don't have much of a defense against the plausible deniability that he uses in post-game press conferences, other than he's always done that, like his whole career. Taking that on it's face now seems a bit disingenuous.
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Bill went to a lot of wooly basketball games so a Skylar Thomas/Thompson slip is almost expected.
yeah but he called him taylor. could he have gotten him confused with shortlived KSU great Val Taylor?
I asked for reasoning as to why people say he isn't as involved, shooter gave as good of a reason as I've seen but is still conjecture. I sit directly behind the bench and three times in the last two seasons I've been on the sideline, I've seen no evidence to indicate any change in that time to how LHC Bill Snyder runs his program. I'm holding on to this as fact because there's absolutely zero concrete evidence to the contrary, not seeing him moving his lips when he's on camera isn't close to enough.
Yeah man, your awesome seats are cool and all, but we're both ultimately basing our opinions on conjecture -- which is fine because this is a sports message board.. You asked why i don't think he's as involved anymore and I told you that i'm basing my opinions on his health, his age, and his press-conference comments where he basically admits to being out of the loop. You think that evidence is trash, which i fully understand.
You have your opinion and I have mine.
None of that is trash, it's more likely to be fact than not, it just isn't evidence that he isn't as involved as he was in 2009.
I don't have much of a defense against the plausible deniability that he uses in post-game press conferences, other than he's always done that, like his whole career. Taking that on it's face now seems a bit disingenuous.
Maybe so, although I never recall him admitting that he didn't know why certain plays were called (like he did this year...though i can't remember which game). But even so, those comments alarm me more now than they would have when he was a younger man. Maybe that's ageism.
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i've known MIR for like, 10 years guys. we're just having a bbs argument. chill out.
:lol: no one cares about those two idiots. Meow meow has literally 7500 posts of not having an opinion on anything, just contributions exactly like he provided here. It's a hell of a mark he's left here.
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Bill went to a lot of wooly basketball games so a Skylar Thomas/Thompson slip is almost expected.
yeah but he called him taylor. could he have gotten him confused with shortlived KSU great Val Taylor?
I asked for reasoning as to why people say he isn't as involved, shooter gave as good of a reason as I've seen but is still conjecture. I sit directly behind the bench and three times in the last two seasons I've been on the sideline, I've seen no evidence to indicate any change in that time to how LHC Bill Snyder runs his program. I'm holding on to this as fact because there's absolutely zero concrete evidence to the contrary, not seeing him moving his lips when he's on camera isn't close to enough.
Yeah man, your awesome seats are cool and all, but we're both ultimately basing our opinions on conjecture -- which is fine because this is a sports message board.. You asked why i don't think he's as involved anymore and I told you that i'm basing my opinions on his health, his age, and his press-conference comments where he basically admits to being out of the loop. You think that evidence is trash, which i fully understand.
You have your opinion and I have mine.
None of that is trash, it's more likely to be fact than not, it just isn't evidence that he isn't as involved as he was in 2009.
I don't have much of a defense against the plausible deniability that he uses in post-game press conferences, other than he's always done that, like his whole career. Taking that on it's face now seems a bit disingenuous.
Maybe so, although I never recall him admitting that he didn't know why certain plays were called (like he did this year...though i can't remember which game). But even so, those comments alarm me more now than they would have when he was a younger man. Maybe that's ageism.
That's fair enough, I agree with you more than I disagree. I want to circle back to my objection; it's not that some fear that he's lost his fastball, it's more than fair to suspect/fear that. My objection is something you haven't done and that's state that he isn't running the program, he's just a paterno like figurehead, shitting his pants, sitting in a press box doing word searches.
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Maybe so, although I never recall him admitting that he didn't know why certain plays were called (like he did this year...though i can't remember which game). But even so, those comments alarm me more now than they would have when he was a younger man. Maybe that's ageism.
That's fair enough, I agree with you more than I disagree. I want to circle back to my objection; it's not that some fear that he's lost his fastball, it's more than fair to suspect/fear that. My objection is something you haven't done and that's state that he isn't running the program, he's just a paterno like figurehead, shitting his pants, sitting in a press box doing word searches.
Right. I'm not contending it's reached that point, but I think it's probably moving in that direction. The reports of infighting and politicking among the staff this season made me ask "who the hell is in charge of this thing?" As far as I recall, that was new this year. Sure you can point to the exodus in '98 and the wild staff scenes that apparently happened then, but I think this is obviously different than that. The "tight ship" that Snyder is known for didn't appear as tight this year (both with players and staff), and I think that evidences a lack of leadership.
I do suspect that Snyder is becoming more and more of a figurehead.
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I remember him confusing Waters and Sams way back in 2013, I think on the LHC Bill Snyder show. He also acted like he had no idea why one played over the other.
Also I've never thought he's run a "tight ship" in 2.0
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Q: Coach, why didn't we do more of this instead of that?
A: I have no idea. We probably should have.
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unless Darnell McDonald has eaten some of your food, just stfu already damn
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m^2 is killing it right now my goodness
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Maybe so, although I never recall him admitting that he didn't know why certain plays were called (like he did this year...though i can't remember which game). But even so, those comments alarm me more now than they would have when he was a younger man. Maybe that's ageism.
That's fair enough, I agree with you more than I disagree. I want to circle back to my objection; it's not that some fear that he's lost his fastball, it's more than fair to suspect/fear that. My objection is something you haven't done and that's state that he isn't running the program, he's just a paterno like figurehead, shitting his pants, sitting in a press box doing word searches.
Right. I'm not contending it's reached that point, but I think it's probably moving in that direction. The reports of infighting and politicking among the staff this season made me ask "who the hell is in charge of this thing?" As far as I recall, that was new this year. Sure you can point to the exodus in '98 and the wild staff scenes that apparently happened then, but I think this is obviously different than that. The "tight ship" that Snyder is known for didn't appear as tight this year (both with players and staff), and I think that evidences a lack of leadership.
I do suspect that Snyder is becoming more and more of a figurehead.
If some of the infighting can be attributed to Dana angling for work while in season, it's exactly the same. 1998, by the way, another reason to push away from Venables.
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https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/941056381255221248
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Awesome
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12 year old me appreciates the name mike cox
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Also Jake Waters to be a receivers coach:
https://sports.yahoo.com/dana-dimel-goes-heavy-texas-214534463.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/dana-dimel-goes-heavy-texas-214534463.html)
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Sure hope the scout team is ready for a shred-fest.
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Congrats jake from iowa state farm
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My favorite part of this offseason is the fact that FSU has their starting quarterback get hurt and go from National Title contenders to a .500 team whose best win was maybe Wake Forest.
Jimbo Translates that into a 7.5 million dollar a year job.
We have two QB's go down are competitive in every game but TCU win 4 of our last 5 and beat a top 15 team on the road down the stretch.
:confused: :confused: :confused:
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My favorite part of this offseason is the fact that FSU has their starting quarterback get hurt and go from National Title contenders to a .500 team whose best win was maybe Wake Forest.
Jimbo Translates that into a 7.5 million dollar a year job.
We have two QB's go down are competitive in every game but TCU win 4 of our last 5 and beat a top 15 team on the road down the stretch.
:confused: :confused: :confused:
this is a good point. it's almost like we have good players/coaching, despite our collective bitching.
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What on earth are you guys going on about?
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My favorite part of this offseason is the fact that FSU has their starting quarterback get hurt and go from National Title contenders to a .500 team whose best win was maybe Wake Forest.
Jimbo Translates that into a 7.5 million dollar a year job.
We have two QB's go down are competitive in every game but TCU win 4 of our last 5 and beat a top 15 team on the road down the stretch.
:confused: :confused: :confused:
the vanderbilt crap show was prior to any injury issues, and that was the worst loss in a long time for snyder. however, i enjoy the point you're making.
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Brent, publicly anyway, is an unconfident loser who shouldn't be interviewed for any P5 head coaching job.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article189924459.html
Without even knowing if he's even interested in becoming coach here, I'm now off of my stance that Brent and Sean are essentially the same candidate, Sean is clearly better.
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I would thinking standing in your dad's shadow for 20 years shows a bigger lack of confidence
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Brent, publicly anyway, is an unconfident loser who shouldn't be interviewed for any P5 head coaching job.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article189924459.html
Without even knowing if he's even interested in becoming coach here, I'm now off of my stance that Brent and Sean are essentially the same candidate, Sean is clearly better.
HE IS BLUFFING, HE CAN'T OUTRIGHT SAY HE WANTS A P5 job or KState straight up. He would look like an ass if he did. Sit Down, Be Humble.
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I would thinking standing in your dad's shadow for 20 years shows a bigger lack of confidence
Not if the narrative is that he's being groomed. Despite the ridiculous argument otherwise, being here learning from LHC Bill Snyder is clearly better than leaving to be a head coach in the MAC or Sun Belt.
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Brent, publicly anyway, is an unconfident loser who shouldn't be interviewed for any P5 head coaching job.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article189924459.html
Without even knowing if he's even interested in becoming coach here, I'm now off of my stance that Brent and Sean are essentially the same candidate, Sean is clearly better.
HE IS BLUFFING, HE CAN'T OUTRIGHT SAY HE WANTS A P5 job or KState straight up. He would look like an ass if he did. Sit Down, Be Humble.
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I read between the lines and the bluffing is obvious.
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Brent, publicly anyway, is an unconfident loser who shouldn't be interviewed for any P5 head coaching job.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article189924459.html
Without even knowing if he's even interested in becoming coach here, I'm now off of my stance that Brent and Sean are essentially the same candidate, Sean is clearly better.
HE IS BLUFFING, HE CAN'T OUTRIGHT SAY HE WANTS A P5 job or KState straight up. He would look like an ass if he did. Sit Down, Be Humble.
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:lol:
You serious? Find me a quote from a current head coach where they express doubt in their desire to be a head coach, you won't. Just take the guy's word at face value, don't attribute some odd, unearned nobility to what he says.
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Brent, publicly anyway, is an unconfident loser who shouldn't be interviewed for any P5 head coaching job.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article189924459.html
Without even knowing if he's even interested in becoming coach here, I'm now off of my stance that Brent and Sean are essentially the same candidate, Sean is clearly better.
HE IS BLUFFING, HE CAN'T OUTRIGHT SAY HE WANTS A P5 job or KState straight up. He would look like an ass if he did. Sit Down, Be Humble.
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I read between the lines and the bluffing is obvious.
What would be the point of that? What does it accomplish?
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Your whole beef with venzy is that he is from Salina and I won't stand by and let you smear his good name
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He is doing it so that way when he sees that Snyder has officially hung it up. When he gets the call he will already have the U-Haul ready to move to MHK and will be neighbors/best buds with Bob Stoops.
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He is doing it so that way when he sees that Snyder has officially hung it up. When he gets the call he will already have the U-Haul ready to move to MHK and will be neighbors/best buds with Bob Stoops.
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He is waiting for the KSU job.
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I would thinking standing in your dad's shadow for 20 years shows a bigger lack of confidence
Not if the narrative is that he's being groomed. Despite the ridiculous argument otherwise, being here learning from LHC Bill Snyder is clearly better than leaving to be a head coach in the MAC or Sun Belt.
I don't know how you can say that Sean staying at K-State and working for his dad as a Special Teams Coordinator for 20 years somehow shows more confidence than Venzy being the DC for two different National Championship programs for 20 years.
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I would thinking standing in your dad's shadow for 20 years shows a bigger lack of confidence
Not if the narrative is that he's being groomed. Despite the ridiculous argument otherwise, being here learning from LHC Bill Snyder is clearly better than leaving to be a head coach in the MAC or Sun Belt.
why does that same argument not apply to venables? last week your opinion was he should go to a non p5 hc job.
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it's like you guys forget mir stood on the sidelines with Darnell McDonald that one time (and let him eat his food)
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@MakeItRain Herm silver backed someone at ASU to get what he wanted coordinator wise
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@MakeItRain Herm silver backed someone at ASU to get what he wanted coordinator wise
He wanted to keep Phil Bennett, but Bennett is leaving for personal reasons
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I had no idea he was even there? Is his next move for the Qatz?
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I had no idea he was even there? Is his next move for the Qatz?
i doubt it given his history here with his wife
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Brent, publicly anyway, is an unconfident loser who shouldn't be interviewed for any P5 head coaching job.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article189924459.html
Without even knowing if he's even interested in becoming coach here, I'm now off of my stance that Brent and Sean are essentially the same candidate, Sean is clearly better.
I took the comments about following Bill as mostly respect for what Snyder has accomplished. The other stuff about being a HC in general lines up exactly with what he has stated in previous interviews.
I see a guy who is very comfortable with being a coordinator and really doesn't have the drive or desire to be calling all the shots.
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@MakeItRain Herm silver backed someone at ASU to get what he wanted coordinator wise
well, Napier is going to be HC at Louisiana Lafayette. So Dimel could have gone to ASU if he didn't get UTEP and Herm had offered.
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I would thinking standing in your dad's shadow for 20 years shows a bigger lack of confidence
Not if the narrative is that he's being groomed. Despite the ridiculous argument otherwise, being here learning from LHC Bill Snyder is clearly better than leaving to be a head coach in the MAC or Sun Belt.
I don't know how you can say that Sean staying at K-State and working for his dad as a Special Teams Coordinator for 20 years somehow shows more confidence than Venzy being the DC for two different National Championship programs for 20 years.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if you hold the opinion that Bill has been grooming Sean to take over this specific job, that's more relevant than going somewhere else where you aren't getting that mentoring. It isn't groundbreaking. If you're going to be the CEO of Citibank would you be more ready for that position if you were the vice president of banking but you work closely with the current CEO ever-y-day or would you be more ready if you were the current CEO of K-State Bank and its four branches?
The confidence thing is completely different. I can't think of another P5 coordinator that openly states a hesitancy to becoming a head coach. How anyone feels about Venables aside, it's unique that he keeps doing it. This coupled with he's about to go into his 20th season as a defensive coordinator at a very high level program should lead people to believe that he's doing what he wants to do, which by the way, is okay.
I know why people are doing it, but I'm fascinated by people completely ignoring his words and actions.
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It's not like Brent isn't also working in close proximity to a great coach. Brent's job just has more responsibility and accountability than Sean's.
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I would thinking standing in your dad's shadow for 20 years shows a bigger lack of confidence
Not if the narrative is that he's being groomed. Despite the ridiculous argument otherwise, being here learning from LHC Bill Snyder is clearly better than leaving to be a head coach in the MAC or Sun Belt.
why does that same argument not apply to venables? last week your opinion was he should go to a non p5 hc job.
That isn't what I said at all. There are people saying that they think Sean should go somewhere else to be a head coach first, my argument is that if you think Sean should do that you should think Brent should too.
I don't think either should or needs to, either they will be a good head coach or won't be. It's been proven time after time that group of 5 success isn't a magic bullet to success at a P5. Hell we have examples of coaches doing well at one P5 but doing worse at another equal P5 school.
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It's not like Brent isn't also working in close proximity to a great coach. Brent's job just has more responsibility and accountability than Sean's.
Is this supposed to be a rebuttal of my post?
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Brent has the best resume of any assistant coach (that has not been a head coach) in entire college football community.
Like anyone with the best resume to be a CEO (that has not been a CEO) in the entire industry they're applying for.
Now whether these people are the best fit, is a different angle.
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Brent has the best resume of any assistant coach (that has not been a head coach) in entire college football community.
Like anyone with the best resume to be a CEO (that has not been a CEO) in the entire industry they're applying for.
Now whether these people are the best fit, is a different angle.
Your point about Brent is true. Why don't you consider your last sentence when pushing your anti-seanite agenda?
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Brent has the best resume of any assistant coach (that has not been a head coach) in entire college football community.
Like anyone with the best resume to be a CEO (that has not been a CEO) in the entire industry they're applying for.
Now whether these people are the best fit, is a different angle.
Your point about Brent is true. Why don't you consider your last sentence when pushing your anti-seanite agenda?
I mean, I could honestly get behind Sean if you told me his staff beforehand. And it was a quality P5 staff, with quality minds and proven recruiters. My whole anti-sean stance is moreso based on that, his staff. Like he gets the CEO spot, who would be willing to come in and work under someone they believe they're more qualified than? K-State would more than likely have to catch lightning in a bottle with unproven coordinators by promoting position coaches and I think it's a recipe for disaster.
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Brent has the best resume of any assistant coach (that has not been a head coach) in entire college football community.
Like anyone with the best resume to be a CEO (that has not been a CEO) in the entire industry they're applying for.
Now whether these people are the best fit, is a different angle.
Your point about Brent is true. Why don't you consider your last sentence when pushing your anti-seanite agenda?
I mean, I could honestly get behind Sean if you told me his staff beforehand. And it was a quality P5 staff, with quality minds and proven recruiters. My whole anti-sean stance is moreso based on that, his staff. Like he gets the CEO spot, who would be willing to come in and work under someone they believe they're more qualified than? K-State would more than likely have to catch lightning in a bottle with unproven coordinators by promoting position coaches and I think it's a recipe for disaster.
mike stoops appears to be ok with it.
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Brent has the best resume of any assistant coach (that has not been a head coach) in entire college football community.
Like anyone with the best resume to be a CEO (that has not been a CEO) in the entire industry they're applying for.
Now whether these people are the best fit, is a different angle.
Your point about Brent is true. Why don't you consider your last sentence when pushing your anti-seanite agenda?
I mean, I could honestly get behind Sean if you told me his staff beforehand. And it was a quality P5 staff, with quality minds and proven recruiters. My whole anti-sean stance is moreso based on that, his staff. Like he gets the CEO spot, who would be willing to come in and work under someone they believe they're more qualified than? K-State would more than likely have to catch lightning in a bottle with unproven coordinators by promoting position coaches and I think it's a recipe for disaster.
I think most coaches coming here will need to fill their staffs with young, unproven, but hungry position coaches. Frankly that's what we need too. We will not be able to be a developmental program after Bill leaves, we're going to need talent, I'm less interested in the future staffs ability to develop than I am in their ability to identify and land talent.
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Brent has the best resume of any assistant coach (that has not been a head coach) in entire college football community.
Like anyone with the best resume to be a CEO (that has not been a CEO) in the entire industry they're applying for.
Now whether these people are the best fit, is a different angle.
I would argue that Aranda and Bud Foster are on par if not better but yeah.
also who hires Kendall Briles and when
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Brent has the best resume of any assistant coach (that has not been a head coach) in entire college football community.
Like anyone with the best resume to be a CEO (that has not been a CEO) in the entire industry they're applying for.
Now whether these people are the best fit, is a different angle.
Your point about Brent is true. Why don't you consider your last sentence when pushing your anti-seanite agenda?
I mean, I could honestly get behind Sean if you told me his staff beforehand. And it was a quality P5 staff, with quality minds and proven recruiters. My whole anti-sean stance is moreso based on that, his staff. Like he gets the CEO spot, who would be willing to come in and work under someone they believe they're more qualified than? K-State would more than likely have to catch lightning in a bottle with unproven coordinators by promoting position coaches and I think it's a recipe for disaster.
mike stoops appears to be ok with it.
This is slightly misleading. He didn’t sign up to work under Riley, it happened to him. I also don’t consider Mike to be a very good DC today.
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There's no way Mike Stoops would have followed Lincoln Riley to another job, and dlew absolutely knows that.
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Brent, publicly anyway, is an unconfident loser who shouldn't be interviewed for any P5 head coaching job.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article189924459.html
Without even knowing if he's even interested in becoming coach here, I'm now off of my stance that Brent and Sean are essentially the same candidate, Sean is clearly better.
You are so full of crap.
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Sean is the only one of the two who wants the job, and he is far worse.
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But, if you told me we could have Brent as DC if Sean was HC, I’d be fine with that. I have zero faith in Sean, but Brent might salvage it.
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Brent, publicly anyway, is an unconfident loser who shouldn't be interviewed for any P5 head coaching job.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article189924459.html
Without even knowing if he's even interested in becoming coach here, I'm now off of my stance that Brent and Sean are essentially the same candidate, Sean is clearly better.
You are so full of crap.
I'll admit his resilience with this schtick almost makes it feel genuine
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Brent, publicly anyway, is an unconfident loser who shouldn't be interviewed for any P5 head coaching job.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article189924459.html
Without even knowing if he's even interested in becoming coach here, I'm now off of my stance that Brent and Sean are essentially the same candidate, Sean is clearly better.
You are so full of crap.
You probably were that dude who still followed girls around after they told you to get mumped, not my style.
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We're back on this tired old Sean/Brent topic again when neither is going to coach here, I'll take the blame for that. New topic.
Let's say Jim Tressel didn't go to Ohio State, but Michigan State instead, does he win a national championship? How many Big 10 titles?
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We're back on this tired old Sean/Brent topic again when neither is going to coach here, I'll take the blame for that. New topic.
Let's say Jim Tressel didn't go to Ohio State, but Michigan State instead, does he win a national championship? How many Big 10 titles?
Could he get Maurice Clarett to Michigan State? If not, he'd have zero titles there. He probably wouldn't have any at Ohio State without Clarett either. I mean his title year had quite a bit of luck IIRC.
I have no idea how many Big 10 titles he had or what the rest of the league was like when he was there, but I'm guessing he could have had a few considering Michigan and Penn State weren't great. Of course you'd need to consider who Ohio State hired instead of Tressel in that scenario.
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We're back on this tired old Sean/Brent topic again when neither is going to coach here, I'll take the blame for that. New topic.
Let's say Jim Tressel didn't go to Ohio State, but Michigan State instead, does he win a national championship? How many Big 10 titles?
Could he get Maurice Clarett to Michigan State? If not, he'd have zero titles there. He probably wouldn't have any at Ohio State without Clarett either. I mean his title year had quite a bit of luck IIRC.
I have no idea how many Big 10 titles he had or what the rest of the league was like when he was there, but I'm guessing he could have had a few considering Michigan and Penn State weren't great. Of course you'd need to consider who Ohio State hired instead of Tressel in that scenario.
They had a relationship dating back pretty far before Tressel got to OSU from when both were at Youngstown, so I'd say yes. I was kind of speaking more generally instead of the specific situation though. Was Tressel good enough of a coach coming out of Youngstown to make a program like Michigan State a winner?
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Reading through the contracts Currie must have crushed the lifetime job for Sean clause from Snyder 1.0’s contracts.
I really can’t believe people are actually going to entertain this textbook nepotism.
Particularly in light of a 3 season .592 winning %.
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So, no one wants to play my game. :cry:
I asked because Tressel was a successful coach who went from FCS to FBS but P5 teams have not gone that route since, Mike London is the only one I can think of. Craig Bohl felt like he had to take a bad group of 5 job. Chris Klieman has been a part of five national championships and playing for a sixth this year. Would any of you be happy if we took a chance on him in the future? It's interesting to me that these dudes aren't getting a crack at a decent job.
He coached at KU in 1997 maybe they'll make him an offer after they gas their coach next year.
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I'm Saban/Swinney/Urban or bust now.
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So, no one wants to play my game. :cry:
I asked because Tressel was a successful coach who went from FCS to FBS but P5 teams have not gone that route since, Mike London is the only one I can think of. Craig Bohl felt like he had to take a bad group of 5 job. Chris Klieman has been a part of five national championships and playing for a sixth this year. Would any of you be happy if we took a chance on him in the future? It's interesting to me that these dudes aren't getting a crack at a decent job.
He coached at KU in 1997 maybe they'll make him an offer after they gas their coach next year.
I wouldn't be opposed to it but I'd like to know more about where most of his players are. One huge advantage Tressel had is he'd already been recruiting the same primary region he'd recruited at YSU. That largely would have applied for Tressel at MSU, too, but he'd have to contend with whoever Ohio State hired instead of him which probably would have limited his theoretical success at MSU (in addition to Cooper leaving behind decent talent than Bobby Williams or even Saban).
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/12/behind_closed_doors_good_coach.html
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So, no one wants to play my game. :cry:
I asked because Tressel was a successful coach who went from FCS to FBS but P5 teams have not gone that route since, Mike London is the only one I can think of. Craig Bohl felt like he had to take a bad group of 5 job. Chris Klieman has been a part of five national championships and playing for a sixth this year. Would any of you be happy if we took a chance on him in the future? It's interesting to me that these dudes aren't getting a crack at a decent job.
He coached at KU in 1997 maybe they'll make him an offer after they gas their coach next year.
I don't know a whole lot about the current JMU or NDSU head coaches but they're probably worth a look
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Did Klieman coach for Terry Allen? That would be another FCS to P5 jump!
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/12/behind_closed_doors_good_coach.html
When Orgeron got a chance to interview for another SEC head coach job, he didn't make LSU athletic director Joe Alleva get in a football stance. He had learned from the mistakes of his disastrous Ole Miss tenure and knew he had to sell the search committee on that enlightenment if he was going to get the full-time job. He created two binders on how to build a championship program at LSU full of things he learned along the way including at USC under Pete Carroll. It "blew away" the search committee and he got the job after Tom Herman opted for Austin over Baton Rouge
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Staying at Oregon.
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/942600220101115905
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he looks old AF in that pic.
Wonder if the K-State clause is in the new contract.
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Two of the highest paid cordinators in college football are K-State guys.... can we just make Leavitt HC and bring BV back and let him do his DC job here? He doesn't need to be the HC, just get him here. Give Levitt 3 mil a year and BV 2 mil a year and we'll plug in coaches for $200-800K where we need. Give Sean the ST gig. Put the renovations on hold and break open Curries old piggy bank and make it happen.
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I would donate more for this ^^^ to happen.
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The absolute best situation for K-State football ever. (you can obviously think differently)
After the CFP, Hayes and Bill both retire. You double Venables salary to 3.4 to be HC here, he gets to make OC and DC hires. Give both Bill and Bob Stoops "special advisor" positions. Bill's son gets to remain STC, Brent's son comes as a LB, Bob's boys are walk ons.
This is how to transition the program culture, but keep the stupid ass "family" feel.
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how much do you pay the guy to hold Venzy back?
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I'd do it for free
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The absolute best situation for K-State football ever. (you can obviously think differently)
After the CFP, Hayes and Bill both retire. You double Venables salary to 3.4 to be HC here, he gets to make OC and DC hires. Give both Bill and Bob Stoops "special advisor" positions. Bill's son gets to remain STC, Brent's son comes as a LB, Bob's boys are walk ons.
This is how to transition the program culture, but keep the stupid ass "family" feel.
Honest question: what do you do for a living? Because you should absolutely be KSU AD. Seriously. If you haven't considered it, quit your day job and walk right into UPGRM office and demand the position.
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I'm an AD and I applied. The committee consisting of a rough ridin' football player, volleyball trainer, Dean of an irrelevant school, the CEO of some company, and I think a couple of students or just complete idiots like you decided to go a different direction.
I had energy and ideas. They wanted a sleepy old man that could be Bill's puppet.
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I'm an AD and I applied. The committee consisting of a rough ridin' football player, volleyball trainer, Dean of an irrelevant school, the CEO of some company, and I think a couple of students or just complete idiots like you decided to go a different direction.
I had energy and ideas. They wanted a sleepy old man that could be Bill's puppet.
:sdeek:
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Well this is an interesting plot twist
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per university bylaws- amy button renz was on the committee. the bylaw calls for her to be on every committee.
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I'm an AD and I applied. The committee consisting of a rough ridin' football player, volleyball trainer, Dean of an irrelevant school, the CEO of some company, and I think a couple of students or just complete idiots like you decided to go a different direction.
I had energy and ideas. They wanted a sleepy old man that could be Bill's puppet.
I think i heard you call in to KK's radio show last week with all of the trades the Chiefs should consider making.
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Tim Tebesar looked up and down and left and right and landed a gig at oregon state.
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I'm an AD and I applied. The committee consisting of a rough ridin' football player, volleyball trainer, Dean of an irrelevant school, the CEO of some company, and I think a couple of students or just complete idiots like you decided to go a different direction.
I had energy and ideas. They wanted a sleepy old man that could be Bill's puppet.
I think i heard you call in to KK's radio show last week with all of the trades the Chiefs should consider making.
Wait, you think an AD and a GM are the same thing? :lol:
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Embarrassing
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I did a quick google search on shooter jones AD and nothing came back, I think he's full of crap
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:users:
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I'm an AD and I applied. The committee consisting of a rough ridin' football player, volleyball trainer, Dean of an irrelevant school, the CEO of some company, and I think a couple of students or just complete idiots like you decided to go a different direction.
I had energy and ideas. They wanted a sleepy old man that could be Bill's puppet.
I think i heard you call in to KK's radio show last week with all of the trades the Chiefs should consider making.
Wait, you think an AD and a GM are the same thing? :lol:
Yes, I think an imaginary AD is the same as an imaginary GM. You in your imaginary position are constantly concocting the most ridiculous scenarios in your mind and can't wait to share them with anyone that will listen. Really love offering Bill and Bob "special advisor positions"...brilliant. Also thought your idea of trading Kelce for Josh Norman, a 3rd round pick and some cash was excellent. The 3 way team swap you mentioned earlier this year just prior to the baseball trade deadline was also spot on. You were absolutely correct...Hosmer was the lynch pin to that deal.
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:lol:
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That improvement :love:
https://twitter.com/brucefeldmancfb/status/942767615948103680
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per university bylaws- amy button renz was on the committee. the bylaw calls for her to be on every committee.
So just what is her function on all these committees?
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to kick ass and take names, and k-state just ran out of name tags
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So the way Venzy tends to reiterate the whole "I'm happy as a Coordinator, not wanting the responsibility of a head coach" spiel, and lets say he actually means what he says, there's only one realistic scenario of Brent coming home. Dabo is clearly the heir apparent to take over at bama when Saban calls it a career and runs for governor of Alabama. Brent doesn't have the clout to be promoted to HC at Clemson. So theoretically I think the only thing that makes him pack up and come back to the sunflower state is if bama hires somebody Brent can't stand working with/for. If/when this happens, Brent could be courted by our next AD five years down the road, after Sean has a wildly mediocre five year run, and Bill dies. That being said, there would be a very good chance Brent would follow Dabo to bama. Regardless, until he actually says he wants to coach here, none of us should be holding out any hope...
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I don't think Saban is going anywhere anytime soon. I feel like he, like Snyder, Bear Bryant, Lombardi, Paterno, Woody Hayes, etc.; dudes that have no other interests, at all, other than football.
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The absolute best situation for K-State football ever. (you can obviously think differently)
After the CFP, Hayes and Bill both retire. You double Venables salary to 3.4 to be HC here, he gets to make OC and DC hires. Give both Bill and Bob Stoops "special advisor" positions. Bill's son gets to remain STC, Brent's son comes as a LB, Bob's boys are walk ons.
This is how to transition the program culture, but keep the stupid ass "family" feel.
Holy cats, you substitute "Jim Harbaugh" and some high profile assistant names, and you'd think you were on the phog. I can't believe we have come to this.
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The absolute best situation for K-State football ever. (you can obviously think differently)
After the CFP, Hayes and Bill both retire. You double Venables salary to 3.4 to be HC here, he gets to make OC and DC hires. Give both Bill and Bob Stoops "special advisor" positions. Bill's son gets to remain STC, Brent's son comes as a LB, Bob's boys are walk ons.
This is how to transition the program culture, but keep the stupid ass "family" feel.
Holy cats, you substitute "Jim Harbaugh" and some high profile assistant names, and you'd think you were on the phog. I can't believe we have come to this.
Meh, I was being sarcastic but I'll play along. Venables is an assistant coach that no one wants, Bob's boys will be in MHK in a few months, and he already has the advisor position at OU, not far fetched for Bill to have the same at K-State.
If you think this is the same as the Harbaugh thing, I will l-oh-l at you.
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does bob have twin boys? they are confirmed walking on at k-state next year?
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does bob have twin boys? they are confirmed walking on at k-state next year?
Twins? Yes.
Confirmed? Not exactly. One is a much better recruit and actually has some FBS offers, so who knows what will happen before signing day.
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One has an offer from Iowa.
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Could we offer a scholarship to the good one and have them pull the ol' switcheroo so the bad one takes the good one's scholarship at Iowa?
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/943220526927024128
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Could we offer a scholarship to the good one and have them pull the ol' switcheroo so the bad one takes the good one's scholarship at Iowa?
The sell... Which is better: just one of you getting a D1 scholarship or both of you? :Woot:
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Eric Hickson might be the new RB coach, vacated by Dana Dimel. Dalvin, Justin Silmon and Alex Barnes just followed him on twitter. Would make sense. He's currently the RB coach at Akron.
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Never heard of him
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You've never heard of RB Coach Eric Hickson from powerhouse Akron?
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you clowns need to take a course of good former KSU players. #5 in KSU all time rushing yards. Him and Mike Lawrence were a nice RB tandem.
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you clowns need to take a course of good former KSU players. #5 in KSU all time rushing yards. Him and Mike Lawrence were a nice RB tandem.
Pretty good back, top rb on 98 mega studly team
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Bring Mike Eckler back too!
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Rich Rod out at Arizona
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21946402/arizona-wildcats-fire-football-coach-rich-rodriguez (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21946402/arizona-wildcats-fire-football-coach-rich-rodriguez)
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AMAZE
https://twitter.com/CoachRodAZ/status/948409274027266048
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#metoo
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You've never heard of RB Coach Eric Hickson from powerhouse Akron?
:facepalm:
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Who all is out there coaching in the college ranks that has coached under or played under Snyder? I can think of
Jim Leavitt-Oregon
Brent Venables- Clemson
Dana Dimel-UTEP
Mike Stoops-Oklahoma
Ricky Rahne -Penn State
Joe Bob Clements- OK State
Eric Wolford- South Carolina
Mike Cox- UTEP
Mike Ekeler -UNC
Jake Waters- UTEP
Eric Hickson- Akron
Johnathan Beasley- Tarleton State
Zach Hanson-UTEP
Mike Lawrence -Ave Maria University
Eric Gallon- Brevard College
Kody Cook - Hutch CC
Payton Kirk- Highland CC
Bret Bielema
Phill Bennett
Michael Smith
Matt Miller- Former Garden City CC
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Jeff Kelly- D Coordinator at Ft Scott
http://www.fsgreyhounds.com/sports/fball/coaches/Past_Coaches/kelly_jeff?view=bio
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Jeff Kelly- D Coordinator at Ft Scott
http://www.fsgreyhounds.com/sports/fball/coaches/Past_Coaches/kelly_jeff?view=bio
I'm not sure that's been updated; as of November Jeff was running his own business in Denver.
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Oh wow, really? Surprised my boss never told me. He's best buds with him. Good for him though.
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lol
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Oh wow, really? Surprised my boss never told me. He's best buds with him. Good for him though.
He certainly could have gotten that job since the season ended but as of a few weeks ago Jeff was definitely not coaching.
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Interesting. He had been doing it for awhile. At least while I've been at this job within the last 3 years. Thanks for the update.
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Who all is out there coaching in the college ranks that has coached under or played under Snyder? I can think of
Jim Leavitt-Oregon
Brent Venables- Clemson
Dana Dimel-UTEP
Mike Stoops-Oklahoma
Ricky Rahne -Penn State
Joe Bob Clements- OK State
Eric Wolford- South Carolina
Mike Cox- UTEP
Mike Ekeler -UNC
Jake Waters- UTEP
Eric Hickson- Akron
Johnathan Beasley- Tarleton State
Zach Hanson-UTEP
Mike Lawrence -Ave Maria University
Eric Gallon- Brevard College
Kody Cook - Hutch CC
Payton Kirk- Highland CC
Bret Bielema
Phill Bennett
Michael Smith
Matt Miller- Former Garden City CC
Sweet list CD! Here are a few additions:
Jeff Kelly - former D Coordinator (I also didn't know he was out of the game... I would love to see him back at KSU)
Rock Cartwright - Assistant RB coach for Cleveland Browns
Victor Mann - Head Coach Omaha Beef (Indoor football)
Joe Gordon - High school head coach, former KSU, juco, NAIA, etc.
Manny Matsakis - Widener University O Coordinator
Michael Bishop - High school coach
Andre Rowe - former juco coach?
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Brandon Clark is the HC at Derby
Love me a white WR #45
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Weird post
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Carl Pelini- Bowling Green
Tim Beck- Texas
Scotty Ohara- UTEP
Vic Koenning- Troy
Chris Cosh- Delaware
Jeff Schwinn- Washburn
Doug Grush- American River College
Charlie Coe- Missouri Baptist
Andy Ludwig
Rex Ryan
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Carl Pelini- Bowling Green
Tim Beck- Texas
Scotty Ohara- UTEP
Vic Koenning- Troy
Chris Cosh- Delaware
Jeff Schwinn- Washburn
Doug Grush- American River College
Charlie Coe- Missouri Baptist
Andy Ludwig
Rex Ryan
Come on with Andy Ludwig and Rex Ryan, they don't count man. I don't know who Charlie Coe, Doug Grush, and Scotty Ohara are, are they from Iowa? When did Tim Beck and Carl Pelini work for Bill?
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Carl Pelini- Bowling Green
Tim Beck- Texas
Scotty Ohara- UTEP
Vic Koenning- Troy
Chris Cosh- Delaware
Jeff Schwinn- Washburn
Doug Grush- American River College
Charlie Coe- Missouri Baptist
Andy Ludwig
Rex Ryan
Come on with Andy Ludwig and Rex Ryan, they don't count man. I don't know who Charlie Coe, Doug Grush, and Scotty Ohara are, are they from Iowa? When did Tim Beck and Carl Pelini work for Bill?
Yeah Ludwig and Ryan don't really count, but they were here for a bit.
Charlie Coe played at K-State in the 70's. Coached for Snyder in 1989
Doug Grush played at K-State in the eary 90's and was a GA after that
Scotty Ohara went with Dana to UTEP. He had been a quality control guy here and with Jerry Kill at Rutgers. Not sure if he really counts.
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Thanks CD :thumbsup:
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Well its nice to have a list that contains all of the only possible KSU coaching/coordinator candidates for the next 50 years.
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https://twitter.com/GoPowercat/status/948993981282705408
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https://twitter.com/GoPowercat/status/948993981282705408
His wife is the Executive Director of Recruiting for OU :peek:
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https://twitter.com/GoPowercat/status/948993981282705408
Just two weeks ago, Football Scoop announced that Hanson was set to become the new offensive line coach for Dimel at UTEP. Sources tell us that stint was short lived after Hanson received a phone call with a similar offer from K-State.
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Sean just teabagged dana
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Sean just teabagged dana
:ROFL:
If true, Sean just gained some brownie points. No idea if the dude can coach but giving Dimel the finger by hiring someone from out under him is fantastic.
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Just two weeks ago, Football Scoop announced that Hanson was set to become the new offensive line coach for Dimel at UTEP. Sources tell us that stint was short lived after Hanson received a phone call with a similar offer from K-State.
Hope he didn't sign any kind of contract. Still a boss move by someone at KSU.
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Nothing says we will be cutting the 2 receptions in a year for TE like hiring a former OL to coach them.
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Just two weeks ago, Football Scoop announced that Hanson was set to become the new offensive line coach for Dimel at UTEP. Sources tell us that stint was short lived after Hanson received a phone call with a similar offer from K-State.
Hope he didn't sign any kind of contract. Still a boss move by someone at KSU.
If hiring a former GA to coach your TE's (who have caught about 10 passes in the last five years) away from UTEP is considered a boss move by a Power 5 school what do you call Texas A&M hiring Elko away from ND for $2 million / year?
To you naysayers: I am not saying that this is a bad hire... and I really like Hanson and wish him the best.
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What a douche bag. Thanks for nothing previous seniors.
https://twitter.com/deadspin/status/949058173956063232
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Carl Pelini- Bowling Green
Tim Beck- Texas
Scotty Ohara- UTEP
Vic Koenning- Troy
Chris Cosh- Delaware
Jeff Schwinn- Washburn
Doug Grush- American River College
Charlie Coe- Missouri Baptist
Andy Ludwig
Rex Ryan
Jim Gush is DC at Navarro
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Sean just teabagged dana
:ROFL:
If true, Sean just gained some brownie points. No idea if the dude can coach but giving Dimel the finger by hiring someone from out under him is fantastic.
Hanson stepped foot in El Paso for the first time, and said "mmmmm nah"
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.risefeed.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F09%2FHanson-Mmmbop-Gif.gif&hash=aa6a3bc63ac69e0dfec1f0723ea40bbb185a8a6d)
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Just two weeks ago, Football Scoop announced that Hanson was set to become the new offensive line coach for Dimel at UTEP. Sources tell us that stint was short lived after Hanson received a phone call with a similar offer from K-State.
Hope he didn't sign any kind of contract. Still a boss move by someone at KSU.
If hiring a former GA to coach your TE's (who have caught about 10 passes in the last five years) away from UTEP is considered a boss move by a Power 5 school what do you call Texas A&M hiring Elko away from ND for $2 million / year?
To you naysayers: I am not saying that this is a bad hire... and I really like Hanson and wish him the best.
A&M has been making nothing but boss moves this offseason. They're still crazy, but they pulling up trucks to whoever the hell they want.
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https://twitter.com/UTEPFB/status/950455533508718592
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Wow, pulled him out of a high school gig.
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http://www.chicagonow.com/prairie-state-pigskin/2018/01/fisher-leaves-western-for-arizona-state-leathernecks-promote-elliott-to-head-coach/
Herm takes my son's FCS coach as WR coach forcing Western to find its 2nd HC in three years.
Tom
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Sorry to hear that Tom
Benny
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He had four diff HC in 4 years. It goes with the territory.
Tom
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He had four diff HC in 4 years. It goes with the territory.
Tom
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Damn, that sucks. Feel bad for die-hard Leatherneck fans. However, at least they get the excitement of a coaching search nearly every year of their existence :billdance:
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Kansas State: Source tells FootballScoop Akron running backs coach Eric Hickson is expected to join the Kansas State staff. Hickson, the all-time rushing leader at K-State, has been at Akron since the 2015 season. He previously coached running backs and served as recruiting coordinator at Garden City and as OC and then head coach at Emmerich Manual High School (IN).
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Kansas State: Source tells FootballScoop Akron running backs coach Eric Hickson is expected to join the Kansas State staff. Hickson, the all-time rushing leader at K-State, has been at Akron since the 2015 season. He previously coached running backs and served as recruiting coordinator at Garden City and as OC and then head coach at Emmerich Manual High School (IN).
Interesting. Almost as if D. Sproles never played here.
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Kansas State: Source tells FootballScoop Akron running backs coach Eric Hickson is expected to join the Kansas State staff. Hickson, the all-time rushing leader at K-State, has been at Akron since the 2015 season. He previously coached running backs and served as recruiting coordinator at Garden City and as OC and then head coach at Emmerich Manual High School (IN).
Interesting. Almost as if D. Sproles never played here.
...or even the other guys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_State_Wildcats_football_statistical_leaders#Rushing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_State_Wildcats_football_statistical_leaders#Rushing)
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I mean, he was the all time leading rusher at one point and he probably just never updated his resume
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or FootballScoop stopped reading this sentence in his bio before the last two words:
The all-time leading rusher in Kansas State football history with 2,537 yards on 507 carries upon graduation
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Michael Smith to Kentucky
http://footballscoop.com/the-scoop-2/scoop-tuesday-january-23-2018/
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Guy at Lowe's in New Orleans saw my qats hat and told me about how he went to hike school with Michael Smith :cool:
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Michael Smith to Kentucky
http://footballscoop.com/the-scoop-2/scoop-tuesday-january-23-2018/
1990s cocaine habits are ties that bind.
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https://twitter.com/brandondrumm247/status/1049102696911982592
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would take
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would take
It's all coming together; Bobby, Mike, Magino and Venz.. Welcome back boys!! :ksu: (ftp://:ksu:)
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would take
It's all coming together; Bobby, Mike, Magino and Venz.. Welcome back boys!! :ksu: (ftp://:ksu:)
:love:
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:emawkid:
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would take
It's all coming together; Bobby, Mike, Magino and Venz.. Welcome back boys!! :ksu: (ftp://:ksu:)
I now have purple wood!
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Better get the big donor money truck ready. Gonna be expensive with that list. Damn that would be fun.
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would take
Either Mike Stoops or Brian VanGorder, I'm good with either
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i would not give this program to mike stoops without his brother bob joining the fray
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He’s the bait for bob
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Check this HC for the Buffalo Bulls:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Leipold
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Check this HC for the Buffalo Bulls:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Leipold
I don't know... that University produced the likes of Turner Gill.
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Check this HC for the Buffalo Bulls:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Leipold
I don't know... that University produced the likes of Turner Gill.
Yea, he's not a P5 coach. I don't really know how good he would be at our level.
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Colorado fired Mike McIntire :surprised:
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crap
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:billdance:
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Ooh Colorado, nice. The carousel is already picking up some steam!
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Weren't people here pretty high on (https://www.petersonhouse.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Fedora.jpg) ?
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Weren't people here pretty high on (https://www.petersonhouse.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Fedora.jpg) ?
Looks like MiR was but goddam RIP 'zacker
If Venzy wants the job we should hire him. I don't care if he raped Jack.
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I don't get the hat reference
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I don't get the hat reference
It's a Fedora
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Ugg, gross. His dumbass should have been fired immediately after his stupid ass comments about football and the military.
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Ugg, gross. His dumbass should have been fired immediately after his stupid ass comments about football and the military.
Haha.
do you guys think Larry Fedora is going to get one of these jobs?
He sure as hell should. What a stud!
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Lol
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Just FYI, putting that 2015 post next to MIR’s current complaint about Fedora makes you look very very stupid.
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I'm hearing Venables to Tech
Cambell will be at tOSU
LittreLL goes to North Carolina
and Klieman will be at KSU.
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I'm hearing Venables to Tech
Cambell will be at tOSU
LittreLL goes to North Carolina
and Klieman will be at KSU.
Delete your account
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Just FYI, putting that 2015 post next to MIR’s current complaint about Fedora makes you look very very stupid.
OK, I'll do some soul-searching. In the meantime, go back to the first post on this page that has a picture of a fedora hat in it and read all the words there and in subsequent posts and click the links in them, and see if that helps.
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My only complaint was the execution. I don’t really care whether MIR contradicted himself elsewhere.
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I'm hearing Venables to Tech
Cambell will be at tOSU
LittreLL goes to North Carolina
and Klieman will be at KSU.
Les Miles has as much chance of going to Lawrence as Harbaugh did back in 09... which was 0%.
Please feed us more insidery info you're hearing. TIA.
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I'm happy for Mack to go back to where he got his big break as HC.
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My only complaint was the execution. I don’t really care whether MIR contradicted himself elsewhere.
Also apologies for the over grumpiness/severe case of the Mondays.
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I'm hearing Venables to Tech
Cambell will be at tOSU
LittreLL goes to North Carolina
and Klieman will be at KSU.
Les Miles has as much chance of going to Lawrence as Harbaugh did back in 09... which was 0%.
Please feed us more insidery info you're hearing. TIA.
:lol:
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I'm hearing Venables to Tech
Cambell will be at tOSU
LittreLL goes to North Carolina
and Klieman will be at KSU.
Les Miles has as much chance of going to Lawrence as Harbaugh did back in 09... which was 0%.
Please feed us more insidery info you're hearing. TIA.
:lol:
:thumbsup:
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MIR's post was fine back in 2015 when Fedora was considered the next up and coming, hot piece of coaching ass. He just didn't pan out. I bet Fedora was was listed above the "burn it down" line?
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Mack Brown reportedly close to returning to UNC. Didn't see that coming
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MIR's post was fine back in 2015 when Fedora was considered the next up and coming, hot piece of coaching ass. He just didn't pan out. I bet Fedora was was listed above the "burn it down" line?
Literally everyone knew that already
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I think that particular pic of a hat is just confusing the hell out of everyone. It's a very ugly hat. I like it, though, and would wear it.
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I'm hearing Venables to Tech
Cambell will be at tOSU
LittreLL goes to North Carolina
and Klieman will be at KSU.
Remind me again who Klieman is.
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I'm hearing Venables to Tech
Cambell will be at tOSU
LittreLL goes to North Carolina
and Klieman will be at KSU.
Remind me again who Klieman is.
North Dakota State
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I'm 95% sure I'll have to google our next coach in 2018. I mean, I had to google LittreLL already.
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I'm hearing Venables to Tech
Cambell will be at tOSU
LittreLL goes to North Carolina
and Klieman will be at KSU.
Remind me again who Klieman is.
North Dakota State
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Oh, well then eff you, purple oil.
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https://twitter.com/ADavidHaleJoint/status/1067108551531749376?s=19
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so we have to wait at least 3 more years for Venzy? if that's really the case, i'm fine with Leavitt and Pepsi for 3 years.
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People are going crazy over that tweet. I mean, what's he supposed to say if he's not interested in the Tech job?
Hey, I'm not happy at Clemson and want to get away from my son but the Tech job just isn't for me.
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Sell him the dream of moving to the agricultural Midwest and playing a round-robin conference schedule. :crossfingers:
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I can't believe I missed this. McPherson College fired their head football coach Mierkiewicz. He's on the market. Would be an A+ Family hire for KSU.
https://macbulldogs.com/news/2018/11/12/mierkiewicz-resigns-as-bulldog-football-coach.aspx
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Venzy would have to really love Hocutt to go to Tech. He would also have to really love K-State to come here.
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Venzy would have to really love Hocutt to go to Tech. He would also have to really love K-State to come here.
OR LOTS OF PEOPLE THINK HE ISN'T READY FOR LIKE A TENNESSEE OR AUBURN TYPE JOB BECAUSE OF UNMENTIONABLE SINS OR SOMETHING
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I'm hearing Venables to Tech
Cambell will be at tOSU
LittreLL goes to North Carolina
and Klieman will be at KSU.
Remind me again who Klieman is.
North Dakota State
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Oh, well then eff you, purple oil.
I'm doing my BBS-ing best.
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https://twitter.com/byjoelanderson/status/1067077283213524992
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I hope that Bob Krause life insurance funny business didn't burn any bridges with Ron Prince.
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Leach would be such a treat.
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I can't believe I missed this. McPherson College fired their head football coach Mierkiewicz. He's on the market. Would be an A+ Family hire for KSU.
https://macbulldogs.com/news/2018/11/12/mierkiewicz-resigns-as-bulldog-football-coach.aspx
Bethany got rid of their guy too, so we could have multiple options there.
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https://twitter.com/SportsDayDFW/status/1067195032929742849?s=19
@chingon what do you think of Gus at KSU since we might not get Bobby
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Venzy would have to really love Hocutt to go to Tech. He would also have to really love K-State to come here.
OR LOTS OF PEOPLE THINK HE ISN'T READY FOR LIKE A TENNESSEE OR AUBURN TYPE JOB BECAUSE OF UNMENTIONABLE SINS OR SOMETHING
Is this actually a thing or just gpc/kso posters just talking crap? I've heard this since 2005 but no one actually saying any rumor. Did he supposedly do blow off of a vanier's ass?
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Venzy would have to really love Hocutt to go to Tech. He would also have to really love K-State to come here.
OR LOTS OF PEOPLE THINK HE ISN'T READY FOR LIKE A TENNESSEE OR AUBURN TYPE JOB BECAUSE OF UNMENTIONABLE SINS OR SOMETHING
Is this actually a thing or just gpc/kso posters just talking crap? I've heard this since 2005 but no one actually saying any rumor. Did he supposedly do blow off of a vanier's ass?
I always thought Fitz was the origin and it was something like having sex with an underage girl/babysitter/Vanier daughter or something to that effect
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Venzy would have to really love Hocutt to go to Tech. He would also have to really love K-State to come here.
OR LOTS OF PEOPLE THINK HE ISN'T READY FOR LIKE A TENNESSEE OR AUBURN TYPE JOB BECAUSE OF UNMENTIONABLE SINS OR SOMETHING
Is this actually a thing or just gpc/kso posters just talking crap? I've heard this since 2005 but no one actually saying any rumor. Did he supposedly do blow off of a vanier's ass?
yeah i feel that's the gist of what's always posted. there's always blow and boning a big time donor's daughter. but mumped if i know if that's true.
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Venzy would have to really love Hocutt to go to Tech. He would also have to really love K-State to come here.
OR LOTS OF PEOPLE THINK HE ISN'T READY FOR LIKE A TENNESSEE OR AUBURN TYPE JOB BECAUSE OF UNMENTIONABLE SINS OR SOMETHING
Is this actually a thing or just gpc/kso posters just talking crap? I've heard this since 2005 but no one actually saying any rumor. Did he supposedly do blow off of a vanier's ass?
yeah i feel that's the gist of what's always posted. there's always blow and boning a big time donor's daughter. but mumped if i know if that's true.
How in the hell could a 20 something year old from Salina have access to blow? Case dismissed.
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https://twitter.com/SportsDayDFW/status/1067195032929742849?s=19
@chingon what do you think of Gus at KSU since we might not get Bobby
He has a super fun running game when he can find the right QB. He needs a really good DC to come with him tho.
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Venzy would have to really love Hocutt to go to Tech. He would also have to really love K-State to come here.
OR LOTS OF PEOPLE THINK HE ISN'T READY FOR LIKE A TENNESSEE OR AUBURN TYPE JOB BECAUSE OF UNMENTIONABLE SINS OR SOMETHING
Is this actually a thing or just gpc/kso posters just talking crap? I've heard this since 2005 but no one actually saying any rumor. Did he supposedly do blow off of a vanier's ass?
yeah i feel that's the gist of what's always posted. there's always blow and boning a big time donor's daughter. but mumped if i know if that's true.
How in the hell could a 20 something year old from Salina have access to blow? Case dismissed.
even if he did, it's not like there's anything wrong with it
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Like bill doesn't partake in a tootski for the late night film sessions
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sounds like if anyone should suffer the consequences for such actions, it would be bill and not venzy. who's in charge here?
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Like bill doesn't partake in a tootski for the late night film sessions
i'm 100% convinced that bill and ryan both love the late night tootski film sessions
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Rumors about that Scottie Montgomery will be fired at ECU and that Butch Jones will be their number one target.
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I can't believe I missed this. McPherson College fired their head football coach Mierkiewicz. He's on the market. Would be an A+ Family hire for KSU.
https://macbulldogs.com/news/2018/11/12/mierkiewicz-resigns-as-bulldog-football-coach.aspx
Bethany got rid of their guy too, so we could have multiple options there.
I'm thinking of a co-coach situation. Seems to work really well for our coordinators. Why not for the big boss?
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Rumors about that Scottie Montgomery will be fired at ECU and that Butch Jones will be their number one target.
Athletic Directors are largely stupid. Oh well at least he's a champion
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https://twitter.com/YahooSportsCFB/status/1067865373855248384
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Lots of Big 12 implications here.
From The Athletic
Texas State: West Virginia offensive coordinator Jake Spavital has accepted the Texas State head coaching job, people with knowledge of the situation tells The Athletic’s oscar Feldman. The Austin American-Statesman first reported the news. Spavital spent the past two years at WVU, calling plays this year for the No. 9 scoring offense in the country. He had previously been the offensive coordinator at Cal and Texas A&M. The 33-year-old has also coached at Houston, Tulsa and Oklahoma State. OK State offensive analyst Bob Stitt is expected to become Spavital’s offensive coordinator, Feldman reports. Update: Texas State has confirmed the Spavital hire.
Dana losing his quarterback and offensive coordinator
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.42 has to be absolutely stoked
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https://twitter.com/AJ_DonWilliams/status/1068213102930534401
also this was interesting
https://twitter.com/AJ_DonWilliams/status/1068216226952953856
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Would not be upset if we got Dana...
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Gross. Dana was an assistant at Tech.
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I'm not all that impressed with Dana. We could do a lot worse, but I don't see him ever winning the Big 12.
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I'm not all that impressed with Dana. We could do a lot worse, but I don't see him ever winning the Big 12.
they were 4 points from being in the title game this year where they would have played a team that beat them by 4. A couple random plays going differently and they'd have won it this year.
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Yea we could do a lot worse than Dana (and probably will), but it woudl be hard to get excited about him because you know what you're getting...a moderately successful coach that probably won't go all that far ever. I'm probably a higher risk taker and would like to take a higher risk on someone that could go farther.
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After the initial adjustment of playing in the Big 12, my impression has been that Dana's teams have been improving. WVU has passed by KSU, BU, TCU, and OSU as a program IMO, and only behind OU and UT.
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Yea we could do a lot worse than Dana (and probably will), but it woudl be hard to get excited about him because you know what you're getting...a moderately successful coach that probably won't go all that far ever. I'm probably a higher risk taker and would like to take a higher risk on someone that could go farther.
Yeah, I guess this will only be the second season he finishes ranked. But still this is also arguably his most successful season.
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https://twitter.com/AJ_DonWilliams/status/1068213102930534401
also this was interesting
https://twitter.com/AJ_DonWilliams/status/1068216226952953856
If this didn't happen Kirby will need to refute it , the fans won't buy into Matt Wells, at all.
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Yea we could do a lot worse than Dana (and probably will), but it woudl be hard to get excited about him because you know what you're getting...a moderately successful coach that probably won't go all that far ever. I'm probably a higher risk taker and would like to take a higher risk on someone that could go farther.
Yeah, I guess this will only be the second season he finishes ranked. But still this is also arguably his most successful season.
I wouldn't complain much if we got him. Honestly someone like him is probably what we need (ie another coach that can keep the ball rolling not named Snyder). He just seems like a frustrating coach that makes occasional boneheaded decisions.
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dana brings the entertainment/zanyness factor that many coaches lack
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dana brings the entertainment/zanyness factor that many coaches lack
lol yea
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dana brings the entertainment/zanyness factor that many coaches lack
lol yea
Yes, this is a great point.
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Dana would be good. Make KSU better and more fun, make conference competitor worse.
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I'm not all that impressed with Dana. We could do a lot worse, but I don't see him ever winning the Big 12.
they were 4 points from being in the title game this year where they would have played a team that beat them by 4. A couple random plays going differently and they'd have won it this year.
This year is as bad as I can remember the Big 12 ever being, and he still could not quite get there.
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I would welcome Dana with open arms. He's hilarious.
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https://twitter.com/AdamLuckettBOS/status/1068510481474818051
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Urban Meyer is retiring, and Ryan Day will replace him after the bowl game.
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1069934682601594881
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Urban Meyer would be a pie-in-the-sky dream coach for KSU. I hope his health improves and he can get back into the game. He's good at what he does.
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Urban Meyer would be a pie-in-the-sky dream coach for KSU. I hope his health improves and he can get back into the game. He's good at what he does.
he's a piece of crap human and I hope he never coaches or gets paid to appear on TV ever again
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he's a piece of crap human and I hope he never coaches or gets paid to appear on TV ever again
1000 times this.
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Urban Meyer would be a pie-in-the-sky dream coach for KSU. I hope his health improves and he can get back into the game. He's good at what he does.
he's a piece of crap human and I hope he never coaches or gets paid to appear on TV ever again
Birds of feathers, etc.
https://twitter.com/Coach_Leach/status/1070378569686224897
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Urban Meyer would be a pie-in-the-sky dream coach for KSU. I hope his health improves and he can get back into the game. He's good at what he does.
he's a piece of crap human and I hope he never coaches or gets paid to appear on TV ever again
Birds of feathers, etc.
https://twitter.com/Coach_Leach/status/1070378569686224897
Not sure if this is what Urban needs to learn:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=leach+on+fat+girl+friends&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=65bd1a42b02b415ad59c91d377f8d3e8&sp=1&qs=HS&pq=leach&sc=8-5&cvid=65bd1a42b02b415ad59c91d377f8d3e8&cc=US&setlang=en-US&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dleach%2bon%2bfat%2bgirl%2bfriends%26form%3dEDNTHT%26mkt%3den-us%26httpsmsn%3d1%26refig%3d65bd1a42b02b415ad59c91d377f8d3e8%26sp%3d1%26qs%3dHS%26pq%3dleach%26sc%3d8-5%26cvid%3d65bd1a42b02b415ad59c91d377f8d3e8%26cc%3dUS%26setlang%3den-US&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=ABA9AE39DC01DCA0B2D5ABA9AE39DC01DCA0B2D5&FORM=WRVORC
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Former UGA DC Mel Tucker Officially Named Colorado Head Coach
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Liberty (religious institution) ran by Ian McCaw (fired Baylor sex assault AD) hiring Hugh Freeze (purveyor of escort services)
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Take LHC Ron Prince off the big board. He's taking the coveted Howard HC gig.
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Take LHC Ron Prince off the big board. He's taking the coveted Howard HC gig.
Would make for a juicy non-con matchup
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Liberty (religious institution) ran by Ian McCaw (fired Baylor sex assault AD) hiring Hugh Freeze (purveyor of escort services)
Christian schools are usually pretty forgiving.
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Take LHC Ron Prince off the big board. He's taking the coveted Howard HC gig.
Would make for a juicy non-con matchup
I spent like 30 secs looking for the funny part of your post you Tobias lookalike screen name having mf'er
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Liberty (religious institution) ran by Ian McCaw (fired Baylor sex assault AD) hiring Hugh Freeze (purveyor of escort services)
Christian schools are usually pretty forgiving.
Falwell Jr. and his wife had a fling with a Florida pool boy that ended up getting leveraged by Michael Coen. He is not exactly a paragon of virtue.
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Liberty (religious institution) ran by Ian McCaw (fired Baylor sex assault AD) hiring Hugh Freeze (purveyor of escort services)
Christian schools are usually pretty forgiving.
I guess that is one way of looking at it.
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https://twitter.com/38Godfrey/status/1079437188574650369?s=19
And
https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status/1079433778668494848?s=19
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Richt is reportedly retiring. We'll see if that's the case or not.
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Surely Holgerson wouldn't leave WVU for Houston, would he?!?
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Surely Holgerson wouldn't leave WVU for Houston, would he?!?
Don’t think they would have canned apple white if they didn’t think it was a good possibility.
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I can't imagine Dana doing that.
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That one guy left TTech for Cincinnati.
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WVU is gonna suck next year. Think he wants out before he takes the fall for it.
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WVU is gonna suck next year. Think he wants out before he takes the fall for it.
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I thought exactly that after I posted. Only way you make that move is if you're pretty sure you're firing is imminent. Otherwise, no way.
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That one guy left TTech for Cincinnati.
Tuberville is a rough ridin’ window licker and basically run out of Lubbock.
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You son of a bitch.
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That one guy left TTech for Cincinnati.
Tuberville is a rough ridin’ window licker and basically run out of Lubbock.
I thought he left in the middle of a recruiting dinner
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2012/12/12/tommy-tuberville-texas-tech-cincinnati/1763615/
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rich rod to OC at ole miss
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That one guy left TTech for Cincinnati.
Tuberville is a rough ridin’ window licker and basically run out of Lubbock.
I thought he left in the middle of a recruiting dinner
Can you blame him though? I mean who wouldn’t leave west Texas for that Skyline Chili?
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rich rod to OC at ole miss
crap I didn’t realize he was available.
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Is the cupboard that bare at WVU?
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Man what a clusterfuck the miami situation must be. Manny Diaz goes to Rutgers and then they force Richt out and then have to pay Rutgers 4 million for the buyout just to get him back.
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Man what a clusterfuck the miami situation must be. Manny Diaz goes to Rutgers and then they force Richt out and then have to pay Rutgers 4 million for the buyout just to get him back.
Temple.
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Man what a clusterfuck the miami situation must be. Manny Diaz goes to Rutgers and then they force Richt out and then have to pay Rutgers 4 million for the buyout just to get him back.
Temple.
Yea temple sorry, still hilarious and wtf.
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Man what a clusterfuck the miami situation must be. Manny Diaz goes to Rutgers and then they force Richt out and then have to pay Rutgers 4 million for the buyout just to get him back.
Temple.
Yea temple sorry, still hilarious and wtf.
Temple got $2.5 mil for their head coach leaving for Georgia Tech and now another $4 mil for Manny Diaz going back to Miami. They should be able to throw a lot of cash at someone. Honestly, the Manny Diaz hire was really great for them considering they got millions for doing next to nothing.
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Man what a clusterfuck the miami situation must be. Manny Diaz goes to Rutgers and then they force Richt out and then have to pay Rutgers 4 million for the buyout just to get him back.
Temple.
Yea temple sorry, still hilarious and wtf.
Temple got $2.5 mil for their head coach leaving for Georgia Tech and now another $4 mil for Manny Diaz going back to Miami. They should be able to throw a lot of cash at someone. Honestly, the Manny Diaz hire was really great for them considering they got millions for doing next to nothing.
Does the NCAA let early signing period kids re open their recruitment for situations like what just happened at temple or are they just SOL?
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https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1079600550344306688?s=21
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that would be a pretty bad step backwards for holgo. BTW, poor Temple. That's two coaches they've lost to Miami. :frown:
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https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1079600550344306688?s=21
Good for him, those people at Houston are bat crap crazy.
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hopefully temple makes a run at venables (pussy), with their new found riches
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What if BV took the Temple job? That would be so sad
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What if BV took the Temple job? That would be so sad
What if he took the Temple job, then KSU offered him like $5M/year all while buying out Klieman and current staff and paying Temple even more money?
:lol:
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What if BV took the Temple job? That would be so sad
Did anyone catch the discussion during Clemson-ND about BV? He is sooo competitive and can't stand to lose so he would never take a HC job where losing during a rebuild might happen.
Tom
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FP, TC, Etc...
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looks official
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/1/1/18153591/dana-holgorsen-hired-houston-coach-west-virginia (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/1/1/18153591/dana-holgorsen-hired-houston-coach-west-virginia)
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Sorry, NFL: Riley agrees to extension with OU https://es.pn/2LL0s2t
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app
Tom
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The twitter rumblings say Neal Brown is headed to WVU.
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So you can just take a successful power 5 school's head coach by paying money?
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So you can just take a successful power 5 school's head coach by paying money?
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I don't think an underperforming dude taking the Frank Haith Memorial Job Reset, losing damn near his entire team, is the best example you should use for this.
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I don't think an underperforming dude taking the Frank Haith Memorial Job Reset, losing damn near his entire team, is the best example you should use for this.
I checked to make sure I wasn't way off in my feeling that they've been good and found they were 18-9 in conference the last 3 years. You already know I have no idea about anything beyond that.
I'd have wanted us shooting higher anyway.
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I don't think an underperforming dude taking the Frank Haith Memorial Job Reset, losing damn near his entire team, is the best example you should use for this.
I checked to make sure I wasn't way off in my feeling that they've been good and found they were 18-9 in conference the last 3 years. You already know I have no idea about anything beyond that.
I'd have wanted us shooting higher anyway.
1-2 versus flood aggie
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I don't think an underperforming dude taking the Frank Haith Memorial Job Reset, losing damn near his entire team, is the best example you should use for this.
I checked to make sure I wasn't way off in my feeling that they've been good and found they were 18-9 in conference the last 3 years. You already know I have no idea about anything beyond that.
I'd have wanted us shooting higher anyway.
1-2 versus flood aggie
Ouch. I’ll say this about kstatesports, at least they didn’t wait for OBz to lose twice to the molds before canning his ass.
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So, with Neal Brown official at WVU, word is hes bringing Koenning along as DC. Whats he all about? I know he spent time at K State, thats about it.
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learned everything he knows from Ron Prince, so, you got a good one.
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So, with Neal Brown official at WVU, word is hes bringing Koenning along as DC. Whats he all about? I know he spent time at K State, thats about it.
I remember him meeting recruits on a day where OU was getting beat pretty badly (bowl game or B12 championship or something). He polished off a couple of beers before the recruits got there and then was having fun talking crap on OU.
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like i said, EVER-Y-THING
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like i said, EVER-Y-THING
Surprise orgy hotel vacays! :love:
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like i said, EVER-Y-THING
Surprise orgy hotel vacays! :love:
So, par for the course, then!
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So, with Neal Brown official at WVU, word is hes bringing Koenning along as DC. Whats he all about? I know he spent time at K State, thats about it.
This dweeb was the DC at Clemson when they played WVC in the Orange Bowl. That was back when your team was the Big East Champions playing Clemson in an basketball type scoring game, due to the beyond shitty defense of Clemson. :ROFL:
Of couse, the worst came later when our smart staff hired this dweeb! :bang:
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So, with Neal Brown official at WVU, word is hes bringing Koenning along as DC. Whats he all about? I know he spent time at K State, thats about it.
This dweeb was the DC at Clemson when they played WVC in the Orange Bowl. That was back when your team was the Big East Champions playing Clemson in an basketball type scoring game, due to the beyond shitty defense of Clemson. :ROFL:
Of couse, the worst came later when our smart staff hired this dweeb! :bang:
Oh crap, he was the DC for that game?! :ohno:
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Kliff supposedly to the Arizona Cardinals, which does seem like a step down from TTech in some ways.
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Lots of people are bagging on Lynn Swan for blocking People from interviewing him. Not sure what I’d do in that spot but it feels like blocking is a a bad long term strategy
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Just very weird.
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I don't blame USC for blocking him. Kliff JUST took the job there. They'll also be behind the 8 ball in trying to replace him.
My guess is Kliff told him he was going to interview, even if he had to quit to do it. Swann probably relented at that point realizing that his only chance to retain Kliff was to let him interview.
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Kliff must have ventured off the USC grounds.
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Blocking interviews is ridiculous and petty, although way less serious if interviewing for equal or lesser position against a regular opponent.
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Getting fired from a low level HC P5 job to a NFL HC with 4 year contract seems like a huge step up. Pretty impressive.
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Would take similar offers in my field of work.
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Sounds like the Jets job is Matt Rhule's to lose at this point.
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Sounds like the Jets job is Matt Rhule's to lose at this point.
That’s great news
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Sounds like the Jets job is Matt Rhule's to lose at this point.
That’s great news
Is he really that good?
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These NFL hires are crazy.
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How long until the vikings snach up the 'lark?
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Troy just hired Chip from KU.
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More
Carl Pelini- Bowling Green
Tim Beck- Texas
Scotty Ohara- UTEP
Vic Koenning- Troy
Chris Cosh- Delaware
Jeff Schwinn- Washburn
Doug Grush- American River College
Charlie Coe- Missouri Baptist
Andy Ludwig
Rex Ryan
Come on with Andy Ludwig and Rex Ryan, they don't count man. I don't know who Charlie Coe, Doug Grush, and Scotty Ohara are, are they from Iowa? When did Tim Beck and Carl Pelini work for Bill?
Ludwig headed back to Utah. Whittingham chews threw OCs like LittreLL does Copenhagen. Utes have had 8 OCs since Ludwig left.
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2019/01/10/andy-ludwig-jim-harding/
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More
Carl Pelini- Bowling Green
Tim Beck- Texas
Scotty Ohara- UTEP
Vic Koenning- Troy
Chris Cosh- Delaware
Jeff Schwinn- Washburn
Doug Grush- American River College
Charlie Coe- Missouri Baptist
Andy Ludwig
Rex Ryan
Come on with Andy Ludwig and Rex Ryan, they don't count man. I don't know who Charlie Coe, Doug Grush, and Scotty Ohara are, are they from Iowa? When did Tim Beck and Carl Pelini work for Bill?
Ludwig headed back to Utah. Whittingham chews threw OCs like LittreLL does Copenhagen. Utes have had 8 OCs since Ludwig left.
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2019/01/10/andy-ludwig-jim-harding/
Good God
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Miami announced that Kansas State RB coach Eric Hickson has been hired to serve in the same capacity.
Hickson spent one season at Kansas State, his alma mater, with the Wildcats ranking third in the Big 12 in rushing offense and RB Alex Barnes leading the conference in both rushing yards (1,355) and rushing touchdowns (12). Prior to the 2018 season Hickson spent three years at Akron, with the Zips appearing in two bowl games during that time span. Among the backs he'll work with next season is rising junior DeeJay Dallas, who rushed for 617 yards and six touchdowns in 2018.
Source: Miami Athletics Jan 12 - 1:09 PM
I'm happy he landed on his feet!
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Any idea if that means we don’t have to pay his buyout?
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Any idea if that means we don’t have to pay his buyout?
:lol:
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looks like we don’t have to pay a dime, that’s good news. Hope we use that to continue our recruiting efforts.
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Our new DC is going to the Chicago Bears? That doesn't sound very cool.
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Our new DC is going to the Chicago Bears? That doesn't sound very cool.
Warm up the Bo Pelini to KSU rumors mother fuckers!
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It is interesting that at one point I was concerned if Kly had the contacts to put together a P5 staff. Now, only a few weeks later, we are talking about our DC leaving for the NFL and if he does leave we still have two former DCs on the staff. It would suck to drop a staff member so quickly and before the recruiting period is done, but I imagine that the NFL pays way better than we do?
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I always wanted the Wyoming guy more than the NFL guy, maybe we'll hire him now.
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Message boarder elsewhere indicates the Chicago position coach job will be $200K ish less than the DC job at KSU.
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:ksu:
Message boarder elsewhere indicates the Chicago position coach job will be $200K ish less than the DC job at KSU.
Nice! Thanks for the good info
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:ksu:Message boarder elsewhere indicates the Chicago position coach job will be $200K ish less than the DC job at KSU.
Nice! Thanks for the good info
interesting. i would have thought the money would have been pretty comparable. hopefully we can keep him. if not, whatever.
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lol
https://twitter.com/AaronSuttles/status/1086070144676225025
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do we have a defensive coordinator? or no hurry until after NSD?
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do we have a defensive coordinator? or no hurry until after NSD?
I think we want Scottie Hazelton but might not agree on how much he should be paid.
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nope.
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nope.
who they looking at?
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it's hazelton
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it's hazelton
looks more like the autoharp player for father john misty
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I like him more than I did manichinu whatever his name was
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I like him more than I did manichinu whatever his name was
i liked cherry man, but hazelton is a-ok in my book too.
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NDSUjr is getting weirder and weirder by the second.
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NDSUjr is getting weirder and weirder by the second.
Yeah, and the next garsh darn hire with NDSU ties may make me upchuck my Lutefisk dontcha know.
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https://theathletic.com/784316/2019/01/25/mandel-grading-the-fbs-head-coaching-hires-for-2018-19/
Kansas State (B+): North Dakota State coach Chris Klieman.
It puzzled me why K-State fans initially freaked out over the school hiring an FCS coach. First of all, Klieman wasn’t just any FCS coach, he went 69-6 and won four national championships in five years. The 51-year-old Iowa native also just feels like a good fit in Manhattan, where finding diamond-in-the-rough recruits and developing them is essential. I would have had slightly more confidence in Satterfield or Brown, but there’s a lot to like about Klieman, who has the unenviable task of succeeding K-State icon LHC Bill Snyder.
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Kansas (D): Dos Equis spokesman Les Miles.
I once gave Kansas an A for hiring Turner Gill (whoops) and an F for hiring Charlie Weis (accurate). Miles isn’t divisive and arrogant like Weis — if anything, he’s extremely upbeat and charismatic — but I fear his tenure could be nearly as disastrous. The 65-year-old Michigan Man failed to catch on to the evolution of college offenses at LSU and has given no indication he’s learned from his mistakes. He’s assembled a mostly underwhelming staff. Simply put, a national championship ring from 12 years ago isn’t going to turn around the Big 12’s worst program by itself.
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Texas is hiring former Kansas State OC Andre Coleman to an unspecified role.
Coleman confirmed that he was joining Texas in a tweet on Monday morning. It's likely that he's going to serve as an analyst, as the on-field staff appears to be full at the moment. He spent one year with the Wildcats as OC, and previously was the WR coach and passing-game coordinator. He should help with the gameplanning, and also is viewed as a strong recruiter.
SOURCE: 247 Sports
Feb 25, 2019, 2:42 PM
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Coleman to Texas
Seiler to WVU
Dickey to OSU
Hope Klieman knows what he's doing
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What on earth
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Coleman to Texas
Seiler to WVU
Dickey to OSU
Hope Klieman knows what he's doing
It's not like these guys left an existing staff that had been together for a few years for greener pastures. Coleman, Seiler, and Dickey add 0 value to their new team against a Klieman-coached Cats other than existing roster talent (which isn't much of a value).
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LittreLL's big mistake was saying up front that he would clean house.
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Coleman to Texas
Seiler to WVU
Dickey to OSU
Hope Klieman knows what he's doing
Only one that really bothers me is Dickey. Dude was a stud coach.
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Coleman to Texas
Seiler to WVU
Dickey to OSU
Hope Klieman knows what he's doing
The spies have been planted.....
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Coleman to Texas
Seiler to WVU
Dickey to OSU
Hope Klieman knows what he's doing
Only one that really bothers me is Dickey. Dude was a stud coach.
I have no idea how good or bad Dickey was at his job but I’m bullish on Riley being better long term.
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Klieman said the other day on the radio that he felt ndsu had FBS quality lines (paraphrasing). If true, as good as I think Dickey probably was, we should be just fine.
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Carl Pelini- Bowling Green
Tim Beck- Texas
Scotty Ohara- UTEP
Vic Koenning- Troy
Chris Cosh- Delaware
Jeff Schwinn- Washburn
Doug Grush- American River College
Charlie Coe- Missouri Baptist
Andy Ludwig
Rex Ryan
Come on with Andy Ludwig and Rex Ryan, they don't count man. I don't know who Charlie Coe, Doug Grush, and Scotty Ohara are, are they from Iowa? When did Tim Beck and Carl Pelini work for Bill?
Ludwig headed back to Utah. Whittingham chews threw OCs like LittreLL does Copenhagen. Utes have had 8 OCs since Ludwig left.
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2019/01/10/andy-ludwig-jim-harding/
Damn. This guy and the DC both making $820k. At Utah!
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2019/05/30/with-raise-ute-defensive/
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Carl Pelini- Bowling Green
Tim Beck- Texas
Scotty Ohara- UTEP
Vic Koenning- Troy
Chris Cosh- Delaware
Jeff Schwinn- Washburn
Doug Grush- American River College
Charlie Coe- Missouri Baptist
Andy Ludwig
Rex Ryan
Come on with Andy Ludwig and Rex Ryan, they don't count man. I don't know who Charlie Coe, Doug Grush, and Scotty Ohara are, are they from Iowa? When did Tim Beck and Carl Pelini work for Bill?
Ludwig headed back to Utah. Whittingham chews threw OCs like LittreLL does Copenhagen. Utes have had 8 OCs since Ludwig left.
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2019/01/10/andy-ludwig-jim-harding/
Damn. This guy and the DC both making $820k. At Utah!
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2019/05/30/with-raise-ute-defensive/
Testament to white mediocrity
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what is white mediocrity? (Other than this obv)
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what is white mediocrity? (Other than this obv)
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Exactly this. Connected white dudes allowed to thrive while being absolutely being held to a lower standard than their colleagues with melanin. Retread head coaches, unremarkable indistinguishable assistant coaches, career backup quarterbacks, most middle managers, etc. etc. etc.
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what is white mediocrity? (Other than this obv)
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Exactly this. Connected white dudes allowed to thrive while being absolutely being held to a lower standard than their colleagues with melanin. Retread head coaches, unremarkable indistinguishable assistant coaches, career backup quarterbacks, most middle managers, etc. etc. etc.
why not just tell sd that you are talking about him?
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what is white mediocrity? (Other than this obv)
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Exactly this. Connected white dudes allowed to thrive while being absolutely being held to a lower standard than their colleagues with melanin. Retread head coaches, unremarkable indistinguishable assistant coaches, career backup quarterbacks, most middle managers, etc. etc. etc.
why not just tell sd that you are talking about him?
SD is Anglo Excellence
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There's a growing legion of guys with melanin who are re-treads.
We'll start with Mike Locksley.
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Turner Gill has been an FCS/FBS/FCS now FBS head coach for 13 consecutive years.
10 games below .500, 1 bowl game, 1 playoff appearance
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Turner Gill has been an FCS/FBS/FCS now FBS head coach for 13 consecutive years.
10 games below .500, 1 bowl game, 1 playoff appearance
Goodness, you just proved my point, thank you hyper-sensitive white guy.
Gill failed at one job in his life, it just so happened that the one failure was at the worst program in the FBS. In addition to this the two white guys that followed him were allowed to be unquestionably worse.
How did Gill do outside of Kansas? He had six conference championships in 11 years at freaking Buffalo and Liberty. The transitioned liberty into the FBS then retired after a very respectable 6-6 first FBS season. If you brought him up because he was just hired at Pig Aggy, know that he took a non coaching job.
Looking at that man as a retread couldn't have been a better ally oop for me, thank you.
I got nothing on Locksley, Maryland is taking a huge gamble on him. That isn't the job it was before Durkin screwed it up, but they definitely could have found a coach more deserving.
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Got him!
Now do Ron Prince!!
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Turner Gill has been an FCS/FBS/FCS now FBS head coach for 13 consecutive years.
10 games below .500, 1 bowl game, 1 playoff appearance
Goodness, you just proved my point, thank you hyper-sensitive white guy.
Gill failed at one job in his life, it just so happened that the one failure was at the worst program in the FBS. In addition to this the two white guys that followed him were allowed to be unquestionably worse.
How did Gill do outside of Kansas? He had six conference championships in 11 years at freaking Buffalo and Liberty. The transitioned liberty into the FBS then retired after a very respectable 6-6 first FBS season. If you brought him up because he was just hired at Pig Aggy, know that he took a non coaching job.
Looking at that man as a retread couldn't have been a better ally oop for me, thank you.
I got nothing on Locksley, Maryland is taking a huge gamble on him. That isn't the job it was before Durkin screwed it up, but they definitely could have found a coach more deserving.
Some nice trophies, 1 FCS playoff appearance.
Liberty was is in a 6 team conference and dwarfed the other schools in that conference in terms of resources. Their athletic budget surpassed $50 million a year, that's more than Boise State. Their athletic budget was more than double North Dakota State. That's why they went FBS independent.
Hyper-sensitive . . . coming from you? :lol:
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https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1191096573025017857
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jeez
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how does a program go from winning the natty to losing their coach to Aggie and firing the next one halfway thru year two in 5 years?
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Wonder which donor(s) will pony up for that buyout.
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how does a program go from winning the natty to losing their coach to Aggie and firing the next one halfway thru year two in 5 years?
That coach left for aggie because he wrecked the program, didn't recruit for crap.
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how does a program go from winning the natty to losing their coach to Aggie and firing the next one halfway thru year two in 5 years?
That coach left for aggie because he wrecked the program, didn't recruit for crap.
This, he was slow playing an exit for 3 years before he finally got the Collie Cult to give him a huge payday.
I'm not sure where the value of Herbstreit and social media is in FBS admin decision making, but the comments that came out after the game hit headlines pretty hard.
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Lots of smoke around big game bob stoops becoming the next Florida State head coach.
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Lots of smoke around big game bob stoops becoming the next Florida State head coach.
Thats probably the right hire. Penn state franklin aint moving and they already tried the Oregon Coach.
Stoops would be good down there for FSU.
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Bets on Meyer coaching again.
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Isn’t Stoops coaching XFL?
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Isn’t Stoops coaching XFL?
He was going to
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Finebaum doesn't think so.
https://thespun.com/college-football/paul-finebaum-bob-stoops-notre-dame (https://thespun.com/college-football/paul-finebaum-bob-stoops-notre-dame)
I don't disagree with him. FSU seems below Stoops, and also a huge mess.
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I don't know that FSU has a realistic view of where their program is in CFB's hierarchy. Stoops would have to be desperate to get back into it to take a job that far beneath OU at this point. Jimbo set a narrative that they don't financially support the program like they should, although some of that could've been him looking for an exit. With the Taggart buyout though, I don't imagine that the coach will have elite resources to compete with Clemson any time soon. Also, they suck.
Leach and Malzahn would be two top targets for me. Auburn would have to let Malzahn go, but they are delusional enough to do it.
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He's in denial mode now.
https://twitter.com/KirkHerbstreit/status/1191758615759261697?s=19
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New rumors are Matt Campbell
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That would be tasty
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Lol good luck with that!!!
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that would be amaze
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He would be worse than Taggart.
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the clone meltdown would be glorious
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He's done a horrible job this year.
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i think you guys are missing the point, the meltdown would be epic! don't forget they gave a 10 year extension to proud pawl
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i think you guys are missing the point, the meltdown would be epic! don't forget they gave a 10 year extension to proud pawl
Oh, don't get me wrong, I would love it.
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dumbass U of Minnesota regents got pressured by pj flecks handlers and somehow got them to give fleck an extension BEFORE the Penn State game and upcoming 4 game losing streak.
what complete idiots. NDSU goes 8-0 with that schedule gophers have, K State probably does too ;)
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^He's not wrong.
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1192662679162441728?s=21
God I love wild ass rumor and speculation on football coaching searches.
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Doug G. should throw his hat in there
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ChiCat
Leach and Malzahn would be two top targets for me. Auburn would have to let Malzahn go, but they are delusional enough to do it.
Have lots of friends who still coach H.S. football in TexAZZ, Okie-Homer and Ark.
Many coaches in Ark. hold Missy Gussie Mala-Zone personally responsible for getting Houston Nutt fired. Nutt was highly respected in Ark, Mo, Tenn, Ok, TexAzz if for no other reason than what he, his father and brothers did at Ark School for the Deaf.
Remember that Nutt is the only Razorback Coach to take Ark to SEC Championship game - twice. And then Gussie pissed a great many H.S. coaches off while he was Ark. St. with a seriously shitty attitude.Gussie and his wife both proclaim that GAWD picked him to lead AWE-Burn. (easy to look up)
Leech had a pretty crappy reputation among west TexAzz and SW Okie-Homer coaches even before the Co-Murderer of SMU football,
Craig James, stuck his criminal nose into TT football because his lazy son cried to DADDIE with DADDIE's ESPN Power
Funny how both Leech and Mala-Zone have as much trouble hanging onto Asst. Coaches as Pawn Rince, formerly of KSU and Howard.
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ChiCat
Leach and Malzahn would be two top targets for me. Auburn would have to let Malzahn go, but they are delusional enough to do it.
Have lots of friends who still coach H.S. football in TexAZZ, Okie-Homer and Ark.
Many coaches in Ark. hold Missy Gussie Mala-Zone personally responsible for getting Houston Nutt fired. Nutt was highly respected in Ark, Mo, Tenn, Ok, TexAzz if for no other reason than what he, his father and brothers did at Ark School for the Deaf.
Remember that Nutt is the only Razorback Coach to take Ark to SEC Championship game - twice. And then Gussie pissed a great many H.S. coaches off while he was Ark. St. with a seriously shitty attitude.Gussie and his wife both proclaim that GAWD picked him to lead AWE-Burn. (easy to look up)
Leech had a pretty crappy reputation among west TexAzz and SW Okie-Homer coaches even before the Co-Murderer of SMU football,
Craig James, stuck his criminal nose into TT football because his lazy son cried to DADDIE with DADDIE's ESPN Power
Funny how both Leech and Mala-Zone have as much trouble hanging onto Asst. Coaches as Pawn Rince, formerly of KSU and Howard.
What does Malzahn's tenure at Arkansas State have to do with Houston Nutt? Houston Nutt was retired at the time.
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Prime Slime and Half Ass U deserve each other.
He could get Andre Rison to be DC and Ryan Leaf as OC
Guaranteed NC!
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why would Adre Rison be a DC
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you make some great points, catbacker 73
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ChiCat
Leach and Malzahn would be two top targets for me. Auburn would have to let Malzahn go, but they are delusional enough to do it.
Have lots of friends who still coach H.S. football in TexAZZ, Okie-Homer and Ark.
Many coaches in Ark. hold Missy Gussie Mala-Zone personally responsible for getting Houston Nutt fired. Nutt was highly respected in Ark, Mo, Tenn, Ok, TexAzz if for no other reason than what he, his father and brothers did at Ark School for the Deaf.
Remember that Nutt is the only Razorback Coach to take Ark to SEC Championship game - twice. And then Gussie pissed a great many H.S. coaches off while he was Ark. St. with a seriously shitty attitude.Gussie and his wife both proclaim that GAWD picked him to lead AWE-Burn. (easy to look up)
Leech had a pretty crappy reputation among west TexAzz and SW Okie-Homer coaches even before the Co-Murderer of SMU football,
Craig James, stuck his criminal nose into TT football because his lazy son cried to DADDIE with DADDIE's ESPN Power
Funny how both Leech and Mala-Zone have as much trouble hanging onto Asst. Coaches as Pawn Rince, formerly of KSU and Howard.
What does Malzahn's tenure at Arkansas State have to do with Houston Nutt? Houston Nutt was retired at the time.
If he answers I hope he types in the same gibberish.
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What does Malzahn's tenure at Arkansas State have to do with Houston Nutt? Houston Nutt was retired at the time.
During Gussie's first job in FBS, at Ark under Nutt, Gussie started the rebellion when Nutt controlled 1st year Asst. from 5A state Champ, Gussie and his 3 "Extrodinary 23 Star" players went to Ark. Gussie was always using back channel discontents to complain and undermine Nutt just as he did later to Chizik at Awe-Burn.
Gussie was given The Call from Gawd and knew more and better than the only Ark coach to take Ark to 2 SEC Championship games. (As a side note, when Saban left LSU, LSU asked Saban who would best the best replacement to hire --- Saban gave them one answer Houston Nutt. Nutt was the only coach to beat Saban at two different SEC schools.
When Gussie came back to Ark, to Ark St, he did the same things in Eastern Ark he had done to piss off the H.S coaches in Western Ark while he was with Razorbacks.
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Looks like Arky whacked Chad Morris yesterday after getting blasted at home by Western Kentucky lmao. Perhaps Bielema can come back to calm the waters? Never mind, they should be blowing up Leach's phone right now.
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Leach isn't taking that dog crap job. They better call Hugh Freeze.
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https://www.hdnews.net/sports/20191118/beck-resigns-as-pitt-state-football-coach
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https://twitter.com/gabedearmond/status/1200803824203681792
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they’re going after sean, donors are putting together the package as I type this. to say that they’re backing up a brink’s truck is an understatement
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FREE story!
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Charlie Strong our at South Florida after 3 years.
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Boston College fired Addazio.
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Texas fired their DC.
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Texas fired their DC.
Should have happened months ago.
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Matt Luke out at Ole Miss after 3 seasons, 15-21 record.
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Petersen is out?
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No way Klieman gets poached, right?
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I would be surprised if he gets poached but I do think he'll draw some interest. I would be surprised if K-State doesn't extend him with a new contract. His relationship with our AD makes it seem as though he has a good situation here. The openings that would consider him also wouldn't be enough of a step up barring some personal connection, imho.
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Wow that's surprising news about Petersen. U Dub should get the carousel spinning pretty good.
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Wow that's surprising news about Petersen. U Dub should get the carousel spinning pretty good.
They're promoting the DC.
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Wow that's surprising news about Petersen. U Dub should get the carousel spinning pretty good.
They're promoting the DC.
Ah. Well that's disappointing for coaching carousel enthusiasts like myself. Was this a HCIW scenario?
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Wow that's surprising news about Petersen. U Dub should get the carousel spinning pretty good.
They're promoting the DC.
Ah. Well that's disappointing for coaching carousel enthusiasts like myself. Was this a HCIW scenario?
News stories say that the succession plan had been in place for several years.
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I would be surprised if he gets poached but I do think he'll draw some interest. I would be surprised if K-State doesn't extend him with a new contract. His relationship with our AD makes it seem as though he has a good situation here. The openings that would consider him also wouldn't be enough of a step up barring some personal connection, imho.
He's almost certain to get a $1 million raise per year. He shouldn't be that far behind Campbell.
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https://twitter.com/gabedearmond/status/1200803824203681792
Missouri is a dumpster fire right now. Their basketball team just lost to Charleston Southern last night, and currently hold a 4-4 overall record. They deserve every bit of it, though. SEC's greener pastures, though.
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just saw ISU gave campbell another year extension yesterday, so now its thru 2025.
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thanks, big apple luke
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https://twitter.com/gabedearmond/status/1200803824203681792
Missouri is a dumpster fire right now. Their basketball team just lost to Charleston Southern last night, and currently hold a 4-4 overall record. They deserve every bit of it, though. SEC's greener pastures, though.
Not to get all birther pit in here, but Missouri turned into a dumpster fire when they started letting the inmates run that asylum. It just so happens that moment occurred at the same time they moved to the SEC.
If that school burned to the ground, I'd laugh.
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lmao
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thanks, big apple luke
hey shut up that was not mentioned ITT anywhere (did someone mention it in some other thread?)
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I would be surprised if he gets poached but I do think he'll draw some interest. I would be surprised if K-State doesn't extend him with a new contract. His relationship with our AD makes it seem as though he has a good situation here. The openings that would consider him also wouldn't be enough of a step up barring some personal connection, imho.
What do you think we should pay our first year coach. you do know he's the 28th highest paid coach in the CFS. If you look at what he made his pervious years, maybe the 3.5mil KSU is paying is sufficient.
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He's completed one season. ONE. Let's see how he does in 2020 and 2021 before we start renegotiating contracts.
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I would be surprised if he gets poached but I do think he'll draw some interest. I would be surprised if K-State doesn't extend him with a new contract. His relationship with our AD makes it seem as though he has a good situation here. The openings that would consider him also wouldn't be enough of a step up barring some personal connection, imho.
What do you think we should pay our first year coach. you do know he's the 28th highest paid coach in the CFS. If you look at what he made his pervious years, maybe the 3.5mil KSU is paying is sufficient.
umm, he made 2.3M this year.
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Rare whiff by katdaddy
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https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
I think he deserves to be paid in the top 40 in exchange for a much higher buyout in the next couple of years. This would be pretty standard for a coach who was underpaid as far as P5 coaches go coming in. Underwood had a similar deal at OSU, overachieved, and bolted when the admin played hardball.
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I would be surprised if he gets poached but I do think he'll draw some interest. I would be surprised if K-State doesn't extend him with a new contract. His relationship with our AD makes it seem as though he has a good situation here. The openings that would consider him also wouldn't be enough of a step up barring some personal connection, imho.
What do you think we should pay our first year coach. you do know he's the 28th highest paid coach in the CFS. If you look at what he made his pervious years, maybe the 3.5mil KSU is paying is sufficient.
umm, he made 2.3M this year.
This seams to state the mixup: The salary pool for Chris Klieman’s inaugural staff of football assistants at Kansas State comes out to $3.55 million. Add on Klieman’s base salary of $2.3 million and the Wildcats are spending $5.85 million on football coaches in 2019. They spent more last season ($7.08 million) with LHC Bill Snyder earning $3.5 million.
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article224614975.html
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reading isn't for everyone
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reading isn't for everyone
I missed the part that it included his coaching staff. :facepalm:
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https://twitter.com/gabedearmond/status/1200803824203681792
Missouri is a dumpster fire right now. Their basketball team just lost to Charleston Southern last night, and currently hold a 4-4 overall record. They deserve every bit of it, though. SEC's greener pastures, though.
Not to get all birther pit in here, but Missouri turned into a dumpster fire when they started letting the inmates run that asylum. It just so happens that moment occurred at the same time they moved to the SEC.
If that school burned to the ground, I'd laugh.
What does this mean?
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I assume the whole hunger strike from rich kid thing.
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https://twitter.com/gabedearmond/status/1200803824203681792
Missouri is a dumpster fire right now. Their basketball team just lost to Charleston Southern last night, and currently hold a 4-4 overall record. They deserve every bit of it, though. SEC's greener pastures, though.
Not to get all birther pit in here, but Missouri turned into a dumpster fire when they started letting the inmates run that asylum. It just so happens that moment occurred at the same time they moved to the SEC.
If that school burned to the ground, I'd laugh.
What does this mean?
Right wingers think missouri sucks because the President was forced to resign in 2015.
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The President, the Chancellor, the Athletic Director all resigned, enrollment dropped by 35%, seven dormitories closed, 400 personnel were laid off, a professor caught on camera advocating for the physical assault of journalists just covering events...
but yeah, it's all just right winger bs. :rolleyes:
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The President, the Chancellor, the Athletic Director all resigned, enrollment dropped by 35%, seven dormitories closed, 400 personnel were laid off, a professor caught on camera advocating for the physical assault of journalists just covering events...
but yeah, it's all just right winger bs. :rolleyes:
I'm not saying Missouri wasn't/isn't a dumpster fire. I'm saying blaming it all on students for protesting is a stretch
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The President, the Chancellor, the Athletic Director all resigned, enrollment dropped by 35%, seven dormitories closed, 400 personnel were laid off, a professor caught on camera advocating for the physical assault of journalists just covering events...
but yeah, it's all just right winger bs. :rolleyes:
:lol:
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The President, the Chancellor, the Athletic Director all resigned, enrollment dropped by 35%, seven dormitories closed, 400 personnel were laid off, a professor caught on camera advocating for the physical assault of journalists just covering events...
but yeah, it's all just right winger bs. :rolleyes:
Even if all that were true, it had nothing to do with their football program. It would seem more rational to just chalk it up to Odom being a mediocre coach, at a historically mediocre program. He averaged 6 wins in four years. That 6 wins matches the average of the last two coaches, the last four coaches, the last five, the last six coaches. But yeah, I'm sure Odom living up to what their historical standard has been is all the fault of the libs.
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https://www.koamnewsnow.com/sports/college-sports/report-toledo-oc-brian-wright-to-be-named-pitt-state-head-football-coach/1148930460
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https://www.koamnewsnow.com/sports/college-sports/report-toledo-oc-brian-wright-to-be-named-pitt-state-head-football-coach/1148930460
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Seems like an odd move given his career arc (he's been D-I/D-IAA most of his career, now going down to DII). Is there some kind of local connection?
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The President, the Chancellor, the Athletic Director all resigned, enrollment dropped by 35%, seven dormitories closed, 400 personnel were laid off, a professor caught on camera advocating for the physical assault of journalists just covering events...
but yeah, it's all just right winger bs. :rolleyes:
Even if all that were true, it had nothing to do with their football program. It would seem more rational to just chalk it up to Odom being a mediocre coach, at a historically mediocre program. He averaged 6 wins in four years. That 6 wins matches the average of the last two coaches, the last four coaches, the last five, the last six coaches. But yeah, I'm sure Odom living up to what their historical standard has been is all the fault of the libs.
It's not "even if that were all true", it is all true. None of it is up for debate. Also, it has a lot to do with the football program when the time frame that I'm talking about occurred.
https://www.si.com/college/2015/11/09/missouri-football-protest-racism-tim-wolfe
WildcatNkilt mentioned their b-ball program and move to the SEC. ChiCat brought up the President's resignation. I'm bringing it all together and saying that there have been institution wide problems that have bled over into all areas of the college that started in 2015.
tl;dr Mizzou is a dumpster fire.
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Missouri is paying Drinkwitz $4 million per year.
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The President, the Chancellor, the Athletic Director all resigned, enrollment dropped by 35%, seven dormitories closed, 400 personnel were laid off, a professor caught on camera advocating for the physical assault of journalists just covering events...
but yeah, it's all just right winger bs. :rolleyes:
Even if all that were true, it had nothing to do with their football program. It would seem more rational to just chalk it up to Odom being a mediocre coach, at a historically mediocre program. He averaged 6 wins in four years. That 6 wins matches the average of the last two coaches, the last four coaches, the last five, the last six coaches. But yeah, I'm sure Odom living up to what their historical standard has been is all the fault of the libs.
It's not "even if that were all true", it is all true. None of it is up for debate. Also, it has a lot to do with the football program when the time frame that I'm talking about occurred.
https://www.si.com/college/2015/11/09/missouri-football-protest-racism-tim-wolfe
WildcatNkilt mentioned their b-ball program and move to the SEC. ChiCat brought up the President's resignation. I'm bringing it all together and saying that there have been institution wide problems that have bled over into all areas of the college that started in 2015.
tl;dr Mizzou is a dumpster fire.
So you completely ignored that Odom had a tenure exactly the same as every other Missouri football coach outside of three years of Drinkel's tenure? It's tough to make the point that Missouri's football program had any lasting impact given they look exactly like they've always looked.
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https://www.koamnewsnow.com/sports/college-sports/report-toledo-oc-brian-wright-to-be-named-pitt-state-head-football-coach/1148930460
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Seems like an odd move given his career arc (he's been D-I/D-IAA most of his career, now going down to DII). Is there some kind of local connection?
Maybe he thought he was replacing Narduzzi?
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The President, the Chancellor, the Athletic Director all resigned, enrollment dropped by 35%, seven dormitories closed, 400 personnel were laid off, a professor caught on camera advocating for the physical assault of journalists just covering events...
but yeah, it's all just right winger bs. :rolleyes:
Even if all that were true, it had nothing to do with their football program. It would seem more rational to just chalk it up to Odom being a mediocre coach, at a historically mediocre program. He averaged 6 wins in four years. That 6 wins matches the average of the last two coaches, the last four coaches, the last five, the last six coaches. But yeah, I'm sure Odom living up to what their historical standard has been is all the fault of the libs.
It's not "even if that were all true", it is all true. None of it is up for debate. Also, it has a lot to do with the football program when the time frame that I'm talking about occurred.
https://www.si.com/college/2015/11/09/missouri-football-protest-racism-tim-wolfe
WildcatNkilt mentioned their b-ball program and move to the SEC. ChiCat brought up the President's resignation. I'm bringing it all together and saying that there have been institution wide problems that have bled over into all areas of the college that started in 2015.
tl;dr Mizzou is a dumpster fire.
So you completely ignored that Odom had a tenure exactly the same as every other Missouri football coach outside of three years of Drinkel's tenure? It's tough to make the point that Missouri's football program had any lasting impact given they look exactly like they've always looked.
I see your point, and don't necessarily disagree. I'm just more willing to give the benefit of the doubt to a program that had won their division in 5 of the last 8 years in two different conferences prior to all this going down in 2015.
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Rhule to Panthers
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Rhule to Panthers
Please let Rapeaggie botch this so we can boot them :pray:
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#RonPrince4Baylor
#MakeBaylorSuckAgain
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It's hilarious to me that Baylor fans thought he was going to stay and are now all up in arms against him. Baylor will now fall back down towards the bottom where they belong.
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Do the players that just signed LOI’s have to petition to be granted releases? That seems like the non shitty thing to do but it’s Baylor so who knows.
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#MakeBaylorSuckAgain
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They nabbed Rhule at an incredibly tumultuous time. Hard to imagine they’ll have difficulty finding a good coach to replace him at this point.
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They need Art Briles to come back and calm the waters.
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I'm very glad he is gone. I thought he was a decent hire at the time but did not understand a lot of the media's fascination with him at the time. They were totally right and may have undersold him in hindsight. I legit think he was a top 10 coach in college football. His ability to get the most out of what he inherited at Baylor translates better to the pros than an elite program coach that has all the recruiting advantages, imo.
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and when he gets fired he can be the fred hoiberg of nebraska football replacing scott frost
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https://scottieathletics.com/news/2020/1/7/jeff-hancock-named-new-highland-football-coach.aspx
Tom
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with that resume he should apply for the baylor job
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Leach going to Miss St. Another coach flees the Schulz family.
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Leach going to Miss St. Another coach flees the Schulz family.
I heard that the new ever fan a cougarette campaign was the straw that broke the camels back
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My goodness the Egg Bowl. Leach vs. Kiffin :love:
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My goodness the Egg Bowl. Leach vs. Kiffin :love:
Also happy that LSU, Bama, Auburn and A&M will spend two weeks every season having to gameplan for those weirdos.
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Man, they don't give a flying damn about fit there. They fired Moorhead because of fit and then and found a worse one. Those SEC defensive lines will destroy that offense. Kiffin v. Leach will be great in the Egg Bowl though, for the next two seasons anyway.
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Missouri State just hired Bobby Petrino and Art Briles' name was also linked to the job as recently as yesterday :surprised: And of course the conspiracy theory is they floated Briles out there so that getting Petrino seems less shitty.
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That's a really good hire for MO State.
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Missouri State just hired Bobby Petrino and Art Briles' name was also linked to the job as recently as yesterday :surprised: And of course the conspiracy theory is they floated Briles out there so that getting Petrino seems less shitty.
It is a brilliant PR move
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Would've been a good fit at ksu with Harley Day
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Interesting move by Baylor to go get Dave Aranda. Have to think their recruiting is going to improve quite a bit now.
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i was thinking baylor was pretty decent at recruiting
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Would've been a good fit at ksu with Harley Day
:ROFL:
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i didn’t realize that andre coleman landed in austin as wr coach, good for him
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i didn’t realize that andre coleman landed in austin as wr coach, good for him
He was an analyst there last season
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it’s like we built the texas longhorn football program
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Who's coaching at Texas that coached for KSU?
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Who's coaching at Texas that coached for KSU?
Katpappy no
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Just responding the pissclams statement. :dunno:
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Todd Orlando is about to get his second P5 job of the offseason going from Tech to USC. And the college pipeline of mediocre white boys getting good jobs continues.
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i mean, he’s 48 years old, not exactly a boy imo
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https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1224781902994821120
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Saban can finally come home.
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https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1224781902994821120
wow
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https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1224781902994821120
So is it shitty of him to wait until now to announce that? I always kind of liked the guy.
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He stayed because he had a timed bonus that hit yesterday :ROFL:
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Pretty shitty between the bonus, lawsuits, and timing
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Pretty shitty between the bonus, lawsuits, and timing
Fire the AD for that
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Pretty shitty between the bonus, lawsuits, and timing
Fire the AD for that
I haven't followed that closely, but didn't they already do that?
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Pretty shitty between the bonus, lawsuits, and timing
Fire the AD for that
I haven't followed that closely, but didn't they already do that?
AD has been there since July 2018, plenty of time to restructure the timing of that bonus to remove that incentive for hanging around until after it's too late to get in on the carousel
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https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/huskers-appear-to-have-settled-on-special-teams-analyst-hire
Tom
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