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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: KanSt43 on January 11, 2018, 09:33:23 AM
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y/n?
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Yes. We should have beat them last year there and they were a better team then.
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If 'Cats play like they did last night, we could very will win in Lawrence.
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The only team worse at rebounding in league games than us is KU. So I like that for us.
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If ku can't hit from 3 they are as vulnerable as we are when we can't hit from 3. So sure. I know that's not the hottest of hot takes, but both ku/k-state are fairly similar teams that aside from outside shooting do not have a lot of substance. Ku is more talented overall, but it's not overwhelming.
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If we beat KU, I feel pretty comfortable saying they won't win the Big 12.
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The only team worse at rebounding in league games than us is KU. So I like that for us.
I didn't want to go so far in my last post to say it, but I really do see ku and k-state as being pretty close to being the same team.
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The only team worse at rebounding in league games than us is KU. So I like that for us.
I didn't want to go so far in my last post to say it, but I really do see ku and k-state as being pretty close to being the same team.
holy crap :lol:
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A rare #BruceInBed!
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Some white guy is going to go off against us..
Prediction: someone's going to the bank.. the bloodbank that is
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Yes and no. Yes it is winnable, no we will not win.
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KU will shoot incredible from 3, that white guy that took 11 steps to beat us last year will score 25 and KU will win by double digits.
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We must shoot lights out from 3. But that's a given.
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KU will destroy the Bruceketball "team".
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The answer is always no. History is clearly not on our side. Plus, oscar.
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Even when we're supposed to win, some dork rushes for 27 yards and beats us. Ain't happening, fellas. Hope it's fun though.
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The only team worse at rebounding in league games than us is KU. So I like that for us.
I didn't want to go so far in my last post to say it, but I really do see ku and k-state as being pretty close to being the same team.
holy crap :lol:
A team that lives and dies by the 3, cant rebound and has little to no depth or presence on the inside? oscar aside, tell me how exactly different they are.
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I'm eager to see this match up, I just hope everyone is feeling better than they were last night. Fellas gotta get rested.
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Saturday will be a win.
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The only team worse at rebounding in league games than us is KU. So I like that for us.
I didn't want to go so far in my last post to say it, but I really do see ku and k-state as being pretty close to being the same team.
holy crap :lol:
A team that lives and dies by the 3, cant rebound and has little to no depth or presence on the inside? oscar aside, tell me how exactly different they are.
O wait, they really aren't
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The difference seems to be from KU gets to line better, is better at 2pts, and worse at TOs. The rest tracks pretty damn well. It's going to come down to who hits from 3, and not getting into foul trouble. A Bazillion 3's will be taken in this game. Ku wins only cause they get the foul calls from this game, but will cough up the ball enough to make it interesting. My :th_twocents:
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The difference is they have a better coach and even though Stokes' replacement played well last night it's not a given he will maintain that level of play.
We won't win a close game. Either KU will be ice cold from 3 or they will win.
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oscar is gonna coach Bill's nuts clean off.
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The only team worse at rebounding in league games than us is KU. So I like that for us.
I didn't want to go so far in my last post to say it, but I really do see ku and k-state as being pretty close to being the same team.
holy crap :lol:
A team that lives and dies by the 3, cant rebound and has little to no depth or presence on the inside? oscar aside, tell me how exactly different they are.
The next informed opinion that troll will give will be the first one, he's an actual idiot.
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We won't win but it's absolutely winnable. If Deano is over his flu he'll go off. My fear is that Mawein will get into early foul trouble and Azubuke and Lightfoot will triple down on what Mitchell Solomon did and would have done more of if he was in better shape. 81-70 bad guys.
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The only team worse at rebounding in league games than us is KU. So I like that for us.
I didn't want to go so far in my last post to say it, but I really do see ku and k-state as being pretty close to being the same team.
holy crap :lol:
A team that lives and dies by the 3, cant rebound and has little to no depth or presence on the inside? oscar aside, tell me how exactly different they are.
The next informed opinion that troll will give will be the first one, he's an actual idiot.
name calling, sad.
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lol, no
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this is one of the worst KU teams in quite a few years. yes it is winnable. no we probably won't, but even with as bad as we are, all it'll take is a hot shooting game for us, and a cold one for them.
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and an off day (night?) for the refs, hur hur hur
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omg, wow!
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Very winnable
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i question whether it is losable.
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If we beat KU, I feel pretty comfortable saying they won't win the Big 12.
KU could lose 5 conference games and somehow end up in a 3 way tie for the conference. Streak continued
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Even though Oscar/Lowery will emphasize the importance of perimeter defense against the hawk's, KU will shoot > 47% from 3 land and 54% overall. Brown will follow up his stellar performance against OSU with a dismal 3-14 shooting performance after he poops himself when his first 3 attempt clanks off the rim scoring under 10 points rest of way. Wade will use his lingering sickness as an excuse when his numbers blow on Saturday. Everyone else will turn the ball over hundreds of times.
Our only hope is that KU will be overlooking us to their Monday matchup vs. WVU. I also like that it's a noon game and this group of KU thugs will be out late deflowering coed's, vandalizing cars and apartments and Bill will get a call from the Lawrence police chief at 5 a.m. to "internally take care of" the debauchery that had transpired leaving them a little tired.
So no it's not winnable. :th_twocents: (ftp://:th_twocents:)
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nope
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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Ride em good. Weasel magic time.
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well done renocat
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We have nothing to lose so might as well go win it. If we lose, we lost a road game against a top 20 team.
If we win it will make the season for me.
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If we win it will make the season for me.
Jesus Christ :flush:
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Amazing
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:lol:
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All I know is that it will be the refs fault.
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Beautiful :lol:
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24 hours until we start winning saturday. Given the start time, there could be some breakfast winning even before that.
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If Wooly can, Oscar can.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article194268474.html
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That's the game that birf'd LIVETRIM.
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If we win it will make the season for me.
Jesus Christ :flush:
My mistake. I forgot some of you are too young to remember what a win at Allen field house feels like.
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Saturday will be a win.
Trim has been eerily prescient about predictions lately, so: :emawkid:
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If we win it will make the season for me.
Jesus Christ :flush:
My mistake. I forgot some of you are too young to remember what a win at Allen field house feels like.
I was having a beer and a Burger in a mostly empty Rusty's last chance bar.
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If we win it will make the season for me.
Jesus Christ :flush:
My mistake. I forgot some of you are too young to remember what a win at Allen field house feels like.
I was having a beer and a Burger in a mostly empty Rusty's last chance bar.
I'll bet that beer and burger was as good as you've had for a while.
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This game is on really early
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This game is on really early
No interest. Two so-so teams.
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Diarra has seven turnovers today.
Brown and/or Wade will have two fouls before 14 minute mark of first half.
Ku will shoot >50% from three in the first half.
Just keeping it real.
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I think one of their cheaters was NCAA cleared to play today.
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If oscar can't win this game then he should be fired immediately. Even texas tech whipped ku's ass, shameful
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I'll be in chat to do some winning here in a bit after I finish making breakfast.
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The 12 year hex. We win at Lawrence ever 12 years. This year 12 since the last win at the Chickenhouse. Chickens hate weasels. Ride em hard you magical weasels.
Most likely the unHuman Newman will go off for 40 for KU, and the hex dies. But ........ stupid optimism is blissfully sweet and fun. It though is like a blast of cold air on your wallies when reality punches you in the butt.
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Tell me if you've seen this before? KU hot from the gun. Gets a double-figure first half lead. K-State cuts it to 2-5 points in a second-half run. Cats don't get over the hump. KU wins by 9-15
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Wade is pretty much unguardable for this ku roster
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Have not watched ku much this year but they appear to be about the 4th best team in the big12. Yikes.
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Yeah they are very beatable but we always blow it somehow late
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hey graham has 2 fouls, 5 minutes in. let’s avoid him at all costs and try not to draw his 3rd
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Tied at halftime. Juice is starting to boil. We can play with them.
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Have not watched ku much this year but they appear to be about the 4th best team in the big12. Yikes.
I have, so when I saw they are very similar to us, I wasn't saying anything edgy, they are a streaky 3 pts shooting team with very little other way of generating offense other than getting to the FT line. They will get owned by WV and OU, and will get knocked by a few others. FFS they barely could beat ISU at home.
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Tied at halftime. Juice is starting to boil. We can play with them.
The entire league can
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I like when Wade stares his opponent down and drains a jumper in their face
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Lol on Weber waiting way to long to call a time out.
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Diarra is going to be great. No fear at all
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A technical for the :nono: ? My god
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"If you get close to Mike Stuart, he's going to blow you..."
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He didn't say anything to Stuart anyway... It was clearly for the "taunting"
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Can we beat KU and the refs?
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ku yes, refs no
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mawein sucks taint, i'm sorry
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Weber timeout cost s a possession.
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Weber timeout cost s a possession.
they were reviewing that anyway
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What a horrendous final possession
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SHI*HOLE.
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eff
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If oscar can't win this game then he should be fired immediately. Even texas tech whipped ku's ass, shameful
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If oscar can't win this game then he should be fired immediately. Even texas tech whipped ku's ass, shameful
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Because T-Tech is better than KU. They also they whipped our ass too. The issue I had with this game is Barry walking down the court with 15 secs, not looking for Wade in the paint, to take a forced 3 only being down 1. No chance for a reb and putback...terrible guard play.
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Another in a long line of WFT moments when trying to get off the last shot.
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
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All I know is that it will be the refs fault.
:gocho:
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I know its very fashionable to talk crap on future HOFC oscar Weber on this board, but if not for refs he would have beaten KU at Allen Fieldhouse two years in a row. That needs to count for something.
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What a kick in the balls. At least we got it over with early to ruin the remainder of my Saturday.
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I know it looks cool to nonchalantly walk the ball up the court like you just don't have a care in the world but what. the. eff. There were 15 seconds left and Barry crossed half court at 8. I'm not sure i understand why we wouldn't want to get into our set as quickly as possible. drive the basket and kick or shoot with 4-5 seconds on the clock so there's at least a chance for a put back at the buzzer. It's not rough ridin' rocket science. We looked like a bunch of rough ridin' retards the YMCA that last possession. Dribble around till the clock runs out and throw up a prayer from 25'
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Can't blame the refs this year. Its all the fault of our loser coach.
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hey graham has 2 fouls, 5 minutes in. let’s avoid him at all costs and try not to draw his 3rd
This pissed me off, there were even a couple of possessions that he switched to Wade but the guards never got the ball back to him.
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Weber timeout cost s a possession.
No it rough ridin' didn't, JFC.
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
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OU just did it right. Down 1, penetrate, kick it out and hit a three with 5 seconds left. Don't know if the will win it, but they have the chance now.
Edit---- TCU scores to force OT!!
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Guys, it was winnable. Then it wasn't.
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
I mean I would think a coach would have told them to be cognizant of the time remaining in the timeout or like practiced a similar situation in practice or something
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hey graham has 2 fouls, 5 minutes in. let’s avoid him at all costs and try not to draw his 3rd
This pissed me off, there were even a couple of possessions that he switched to Wade but the guards never got the ball back to him.
ku has no depth either which was evidenced by the fact that he was playing w 2. i am not invested enough to get pissed today but coaching really can be as simple as keeping the opponent’s best player on the bench and our team has more than enough players that could have drawn that 3rd and 4th on devonte.
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graham is a better post defender than our bigs
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graham is a better post defender than our bigs
He was KU's best defender on Wade. By far.
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
I mean I would think a coach would have told them to be cognizant of the time remaining in the timeout or like practiced a similar situation in practice or something
That's the deal. The play call was the right one. The issue is that we don't operate in a manner that Barry would be comfortable going quickly there.
I'll be critical of oscar for this but I'll also leave as a possibility that Barry was prepared for this but he got tight because he was playing KU in AFH and the moment was too big for him.
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
Remember McGruders final possession at Baylor that helped win the big 12 title?
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also, you honestly think oscar told him to walk up the court and chuck a tested 3? Just trying to see how butthurt you are about all things oscar to honestly believe that.
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
I mean I would think a coach would have told them to be cognizant of the time remaining in the timeout or like practiced a similar situation in practice or something
That's the deal. The play call was the right one. The issue is that we don't operate in a manner that Barry would be comfortable going quickly there.
I'll be critical of oscar for this but I'll also leave as a possibility that Barry was prepared for this but he got tight because he was playing KU in AFH and the moment was too big for him.
May as well have put it in Diarra's hands then. He'll end up as our best guard since Pullen when his career is over. I know it's too soon to do that but he was clearly up for the big moments.
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
I mean I would think a coach would have told them to be cognizant of the time remaining in the timeout or like practiced a similar situation in practice or something
That's the deal. The play call was the right one. The issue is that we don't operate in a manner that Barry would be comfortable going quickly there.
I'll be critical of oscar for this but I'll also leave as a possibility that Barry was prepared for this but he got tight because he was playing KU in AFH and the moment was too big for him.
I disagree that it was the right call given how successful we were attacking off the dribble in the second half.
I also disagree the moment was too big for him, I mean he'd just made a three point play and had a drive lead to an offensive rebound the two previous possessions. That's actually a pretty asinine suggestion.
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
I mean I would think a coach would have told them to be cognizant of the time remaining in the timeout or like practiced a similar situation in practice or something
That's the deal. The play call was the right one. The issue is that we don't operate in a manner that Barry would be comfortable going quickly there.
I'll be critical of oscar for this but I'll also leave as a possibility that Barry was prepared for this but he got tight because he was playing KU in AFH and the moment was too big for him.
come on man
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
I mean I would think a coach would have told them to be cognizant of the time remaining in the timeout or like practiced a similar situation in practice or something
That's the deal. The play call was the right one. The issue is that we don't operate in a manner that Barry would be comfortable going quickly there.
I'll be critical of oscar for this but I'll also leave as a possibility that Barry was prepared for this but he got tight because he was playing KU in AFH and the moment was too big for him.
I disagree that it was the right call given how successful we were attacking off the dribble in the second half.
I also disagree the moment was too big for him, I mean he'd just made a three point play and had a drive lead to an offensive rebound the two previous possessions. That's actually a pretty asinine suggestion.
Rusty, what exactly do you think a screen and roll/pop is designed to do?
Also I don't know what you and 'clams are up in arms about, I presented two opportunities as to why a normally reliable player froze up when he had the ball in his hands. Neither of us are in his head, I don't know how you can be definitive as to why he froze.
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
I mean I would think a coach would have told them to be cognizant of the time remaining in the timeout or like practiced a similar situation in practice or something
That's the deal. The play call was the right one. The issue is that we don't operate in a manner that Barry would be comfortable going quickly there.
I'll be critical of oscar for this but I'll also leave as a possibility that Barry was prepared for this but he got tight because he was playing KU in AFH and the moment was too big for him.
I disagree that it was the right call given how successful we were attacking off the dribble in the second half.
I also disagree the moment was too big for him, I mean he'd just made a three point play and had a drive lead to an offensive rebound the two previous possessions. That's actually a pretty asinine suggestion.
Rusty, what exactly do you think a screen and roll/pop is designed to do?
Also I don't know what you and 'clams are up in arms about, I presented two opportunities as to why a normally reliable player froze up when he had the ball in his hands. Neither of us are in his head, I don't know how you can be definitive as to why he froze.
This particular play was designed to get a three for Wade.
I just think your statement on Brown was just dumb given other plays immediately proceeding the play in question
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His plays are always too complicated at the end of games. All you need is one screen, maybe one pass, and a shot. And show some rough ridin' urgency
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
I mean I would think a coach would have told them to be cognizant of the time remaining in the timeout or like practiced a similar situation in practice or something
That's the deal. The play call was the right one. The issue is that we don't operate in a manner that Barry would be comfortable going quickly there.
I'll be critical of oscar for this but I'll also leave as a possibility that Barry was prepared for this but he got tight because he was playing KU in AFH and the moment was too big for him.
I disagree that it was the right call given how successful we were attacking off the dribble in the second half.
I also disagree the moment was too big for him, I mean he'd just made a three point play and had a drive lead to an offensive rebound the two previous possessions. That's actually a pretty asinine suggestion.
Rusty, what exactly do you think a screen and roll/pop is designed to do?
Also I don't know what you and 'clams are up in arms about, I presented two opportunities as to why a normally reliable player froze up when he had the ball in his hands. Neither of us are in his head, I don't know how you can be definitive as to why he froze.
This particular play was designed to get a three for Wade.
I just think your statement on Brown was just dumb given other plays immediately proceeding the play in question
When you're down by one why the hell would he want to shoot a 3 instead of go to the basket?
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When KState cleared out right side and put 3 guys on the left, Vick stayed in the lane to help in case of a drive. If Barry came off screen hard and went to the rim, he may have had Vick and Azubuike to contend with. But it left the pop out by Wade pretty open because there was no weakside help and Doke was slow in getting back to Dean
I think ku was gonna force us to shoot a jumper. Even if we spread our 3 guys out (2 on left 1 on right), I think the lane was gonna be clogged quickly with a Barry drive.
I liked the play call. I will take Dean taking the shot, instead of a possible Barry drive and kickout to 1 of the other 3
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The only team worse at rebounding in league games than us is KU. So I like that for us.
I didn't want to go so far in my last post to say it, but I really do see ku and k-state as being pretty close to being the same team.
holy crap :lol:
A team that lives and dies by the 3, cant rebound and has little to no depth or presence on the inside? oscar aside, tell me how exactly different they are.
The next informed opinion that troll will give will be the first one, he's an actual idiot.
name calling, sad.
You look super dumb after this game. oscar or no oscar
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The second oscar saw Bill was leaving Doke in they should have gone 1 - 4 with the ball in Wade’s hand
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The only team worse at rebounding in league games than us is KU. So I like that for us.
I didn't want to go so far in my last post to say it, but I really do see ku and k-state as being pretty close to being the same team.
holy crap :lol:
A team that lives and dies by the 3, cant rebound and has little to no depth or presence on the inside? oscar aside, tell me how exactly different they are.
The next informed opinion that troll will give will be the first one, he's an actual idiot.
name calling, sad.
You look super dumb after this game. oscar or no oscar
#1Cat you guys
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
I mean I would think a coach would have told them to be cognizant of the time remaining in the timeout or like practiced a similar situation in practice or something
That's the deal. The play call was the right one. The issue is that we don't operate in a manner that Barry would be comfortable going quickly there.
I'll be critical of oscar for this but I'll also leave as a possibility that Barry was prepared for this but he got tight because he was playing KU in AFH and the moment was too big for him.
I disagree that it was the right call given how successful we were attacking off the dribble in the second half.
I also disagree the moment was too big for him, I mean he'd just made a three point play and had a drive lead to an offensive rebound the two previous possessions. That's actually a pretty asinine suggestion.
Rusty, what exactly do you think a screen and roll/pop is designed to do?
Also I don't know what you and 'clams are up in arms about, I presented two opportunities as to why a normally reliable player froze up when he had the ball in his hands. Neither of us are in his head, I don't know how you can be definitive as to why he froze.
This particular play was designed to get a three for Wade.
I just think your statement on Brown was just dumb given other plays immediately proceeding the play in question
When you're down by one why the hell would he want to shoot a 3 instead of go to the basket?
cuz you're not going to get a call if hacked on the drive to the basket...that said, i would have spread the floor and let barry drive and then kick if help comes...
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
I mean I would think a coach would have told them to be cognizant of the time remaining in the timeout or like practiced a similar situation in practice or something
That's the deal. The play call was the right one. The issue is that we don't operate in a manner that Barry would be comfortable going quickly there.
I'll be critical of oscar for this but I'll also leave as a possibility that Barry was prepared for this but he got tight because he was playing KU in AFH and the moment was too big for him.
I disagree that it was the right call given how successful we were attacking off the dribble in the second half.
I also disagree the moment was too big for him, I mean he'd just made a three point play and had a drive lead to an offensive rebound the two previous possessions. That's actually a pretty asinine suggestion.
Rusty, what exactly do you think a screen and roll/pop is designed to do?
Also I don't know what you and 'clams are up in arms about, I presented two opportunities as to why a normally reliable player froze up when he had the ball in his hands. Neither of us are in his head, I don't know how you can be definitive as to why he froze.
This particular play was designed to get a three for Wade.
I just think your statement on Brown was just dumb given other plays immediately proceeding the play in question
When you're down by one why the hell would he want to shoot a 3 instead of go to the basket?
cuz you're not going to get a call if hacked on the drive to the basket...that said, i would have spread the floor and let barry drive and then kick if help comes...
We drew fouls the two previous possessions, one on a drive and one on a putback created by a drive
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^yeah, i'm just saying what the argument against driving is...not sure i necessarily would go for jumper...
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Rusty, I like your point. I do think KU's defense would have been different, but Barry had some big drives late.
Again, not racing the ball to me was the key.
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Really good article. oscar is a loser, plain and simple.
https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/952304107557212163
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But we almost won! Frank never almost won in lawrence. Advantage: oscar
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But we almost won! Frank never almost won in lawrence. Advantage: oscar
chodecat doesn't understand K-State history in that building ever since he got passed up by Mizzou so this loser response makes sense.
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Rusty, I like your point. I do think KU's defense would have been different, but Barry had some big drives late.
Again, not racing the ball to me was the key.
Of course walking the ball up was the worst part. Another thing that hasn't been discussed is how slow Wade is with the ball. His drives are almost always methodically feeling out the defense and he's even pretty show in a catch and shoot. (Those aren't really criticisms of Wade, just using him in that particular situation.)
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Frank is going to miss the tourney 6 out of 7 years there now. :frown:
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His plays are always too complicated at the end of games. All you need is one screen, maybe one pass, and a shot. And show some rough ridin' urgency
This.
Every good coach has plays for just this situation and they're practiced, just so happens Oscar is not a good coach.
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This play seemed pretty simple to me. Two man, pick and pop, then rescreen if its not there. :dunno:
Problem is, usually it's Kam running the point, not Barry, so he probably hasn't practiced it a bunch. Call it a an excuse if you want, don't @ me.
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But we almost won! Frank never almost won in lawrence. Advantage: oscar
chodecat doesn't understand K-State history in that building ever since he got passed up by Mizzou so this loser response makes sense.
wut
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This play seemed pretty simple to me. Two man, pick and pop, then rescreen if its not there. :dunno:
Problem is, usually it's Kam running the point, not Barry, so he probably hasn't practiced it a bunch. Call it a an excuse if you want, don't @ me.
Good analysis and I agree about not having Kam to run it.
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This play seemed pretty simple to me. Two man, pick and pop, then rescreen if its not there. :dunno:
Problem is, usually it's Kam running the point, not Barry, so he probably hasn't practiced it a bunch. Call it a an excuse if you want, don't @ me.
Good analysis and I agree about not having Kam to run it.
I don't buy this. Barry's the guy to drive for the final shot. We've shown that before. he's got to have the ball at the end of the game. It's his decision to make to drive, shoot or kick. How is he not comfortable running a play we should have run 10 times in every practice since the rough ridin' summer just waiting for the chance to win a game?
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Because it was designed to pass to Dean for the 3. Just like last year.
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Because it was designed to pass to Dean for the 3. Just like last year.
I can't buy that either unless Barry was so brain dead he forgot to pass the ball. Dean popped out and was open and Barry just kept dribbling. I think he popped only because Barry didn't use the screen to start his drive but Barry wanting him to come back for a second screen...that's what Barry was motioning anyway...albeit with 2 seconds on the rough ridin' clock.
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I'm soooo rough ridin' done with Cat sports. :buh-bye:
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Another thing that hasn't been discussed is how slow Wade is with the ball. His drives are almost always methodically feeling out the defense and he's even pretty show in a catch and shoot. (Those aren't really criticisms of Wade, just using him in that particular situation.)
i agree with this. the people saying he was wide open aren't accurately accounting for the speed of the ball, the speed of the defender and handling time upon receiving the ball. it's hosmer going home all over again.
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At times, Wade is slow in his catch and shot, but there are times when he isn't.
In today's game, he got the ball, held it, but got shot off fairly quickly with shot clock running down. He burried the 3 on that shot for the record. Doke is sooo slow closing out on a shooter...I'm pretty convinced Dean gets a decent look if Barry passes.
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Another thing that hasn't been discussed is how slow Wade is with the ball. His drives are almost always methodically feeling out the defense and he's even pretty show in a catch and shoot. (Those aren't really criticisms of Wade, just using him in that particular situation.)
i agree with this. the people saying he was wide open aren't accurately accounting for the speed of the ball, the speed of the defender and handling time upon receiving the ball. it's hosmer going home all over again.
agreed 100
wade would not have been open
pick for barry to drive was the play
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Dean has now taken 10+ shots 7 times this year.
4 of those times..Barry/Kam or Barry/Diarra (today) have taken 45.0% or more of the shots. 42.0% on a 5th game
Dean can get his even if other guards are shooting. Dean just must be assertive & guards need to get him involved no matter what.
* FYI....Take out first 3 games when all starters played less....games 4 thru 15 when Barry & Kam were healthy, they took about 42.3% of shots.
20.0 pts and 68.4 eFG in those 7 games.
#ShootDean
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It's my favorite thing to laugh at about oscar. He is absolutely awful at final possessions. I'm still LOL'n at his attempt in the NCAA tournament game against La Salle, and that was....six years ago? Jesus Christ. Having Barry lazily walk it up the court and then throw up a contested last-second three was a hilariously bad way to try to win today's game. Color me stunned it didn't work.
You actually think it was planned for Barry to do that? LOL. I'll ask you and everyone else, what should have been called there?
spread the court, drive and crash the boards. I thought that was obvious to everyone in the world
sure but it starts with getting into your set and you can't do that at 4 seconds and expect to get a good shot let alone a put back. you can't walk the ball up the rough ridin' floor like it's the start of the rough ridin' game.
I mean I would think a coach would have told them to be cognizant of the time remaining in the timeout or like practiced a similar situation in practice or something
That's the deal. The play call was the right one. The issue is that we don't operate in a manner that Barry would be comfortable going quickly there.
I'll be critical of oscar for this but I'll also leave as a possibility that Barry was prepared for this but he got tight because he was playing KU in AFH and the moment was too big for him.
I disagree that it was the right call given how successful we were attacking off the dribble in the second half.
I also disagree the moment was too big for him, I mean he'd just made a three point play and had a drive lead to an offensive rebound the two previous possessions. That's actually a pretty asinine suggestion.
Rusty, what exactly do you think a screen and roll/pop is designed to do?
Also I don't know what you and 'clams are up in arms about, I presented two opportunities as to why a normally reliable player froze up when he had the ball in his hands. Neither of us are in his head, I don't know how you can be definitive as to why he froze.
This particular play was designed to get a three for Wade.
I just think your statement on Brown was just dumb given other plays immediately proceeding the play in question
It was deigned to get the three if Azibuke didn't hedge hard.
And on Brown, yeah, he was fine on the proceeding plays, none of them were the last play though. I also want to again point out that I didn't say that was the reason, I only presented that as a possible reason. It very well may be dumb but you still haven't offered an alternate theory as to why Barry froze up in that spot.
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And on Brown, yeah, he was fine on the proceeding plays, none of them were the last play though. I also want to again point out that I didn't say that was the reason, I only presented that as a possible reason. It very well may be dumb but you still haven't offered an alternate theory as to why Barry froze up in that spot.
Well one alternate theory is no one was in the right place w/ 8 seconds left. Both Patrick and Sneed lined up initially on the right side of the court:
(https://i.imgur.com/0P6hi9U.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mianQC1.jpg)
You can say Brown should have still been forcing the issue, and you'd be right, but oscar definitely drew up a play yet wasn't able to get his players to line up on the correct side of the court, and also thought it was important enough to wait for them to get to the other side with 10 seconds left. Did oscar criticize Brown for not pushing it? Not sure, but he definitely criticized him for not passing to Wade, which may have been a mistake but doesn't indicate the "moment was too big for him", whatever the eff that means.
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Absolutely think oscar has a lot to do with the problems because he is shifting guys across the court as mentioned. He literally shoved Patrick.
oscar micro manages all the time, and is often literally out on the court. I haven't seen it mentioned but maybe oscar was trying to adjust based upon their defense, this Barry not attacking right away. Even if this wasn't directly stated, with hindsight, maybe the shift messed with Barry a bit?
He certainly didn't act very decisively. I think people saying that this looked about like most of our end of half situations that are routinely terrible and don't result in a good look are probably about as right as anyone claiming the play worked and Barry just didn't execute.
Absolutely the walk up was what messed the play up, but with the other things that happened I'm not sure why that is 100% on Barry.
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Lost by two last year, lost by one this year, I think everyone knows what's going to happen in Lawrence next year:
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The players play basketball better after they practice without him and when they can’t hear him. Things go south when he’s involved.
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And on Brown, yeah, he was fine on the proceeding plays, none of them were the last play though. I also want to again point out that I didn't say that was the reason, I only presented that as a possible reason. It very well may be dumb but you still haven't offered an alternate theory as to why Barry froze up in that spot.
Well one alternate theory is no one was in the right place w/ 8 seconds left. Both Patrick and Sneed lined up initially on the right side of the court:
(https://i.imgur.com/0P6hi9U.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mianQC1.jpg)
You can say Brown should have still been forcing the issue, and you'd be right, but oscar definitely drew up a play yet wasn't able to get his players to line up on the correct side of the court, and also thought it was important enough to wait for them to get to the other side with 10 seconds left. Did oscar criticize Brown for not pushing it? Not sure, but he definitely criticized him for not passing to Wade, which may have been a mistake but doesn't indicate the "moment was too big for him", whatever the eff that means.
Okay, if that's the case then you agree with the first option that I presented in that post that oscar didn't put Barry in a spot where he could feel comfortable doing what was asked of him. So why do you keep arguing with me about something I've yet to disagree with you on?
And you're being incredibly disingenuous about the mental aspect of player performance on end game situations. You absolutely know the difference between a K-State player having the ball in his hands, in the final seconds, trying to win a game at Allen Fieldhouse, that doesn't feel like any other situation he'll be in, likely for the rest of his career. Are you contending that this end game situation is the same thing as closing out a home game in a December non con is the same as this? Or is your contention that players are unaware of the gravity of the moment, therefore making the concept of pressure non existent?
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Dude you asked me for another theory
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And you're being incredibly disingenuous about the mental aspect of player performance on end game situations. You absolutely know the difference between a K-State player having the ball in his hands, in the final seconds, trying to win a game at Allen Fieldhouse, that doesn't feel like any other situation he'll be in, likely for the rest of his career. Are you contending that this end game situation is the same thing as closing out a home game in a December non con is the same as this? Or is your contention that players are unaware of the gravity of the moment, therefore making the concept of pressure non existent?
No, I don't think it was the same thing as a December non-con. I do think it was similar to the previous two possessions in the same game in the same environment where he made great plays at the rim as the shot clock was running down down and got us the lead and tied it. Did I not make that clear?
I mean, sure the fact that it was the last possession instead of the next-to-last possession made it different, but that seems like an unlikely OK/meltdown threshold to anyone who isn't trying to argue for argument's sake.
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I think it could have been any team in any arena and it would have played out the same. We've seen this movie from oscar before
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I think it could have been any team in any arena and it would have played out the same. We've seen this movie from oscar before
I agree with this. I don't think this was pressure related at all. Barry's been in this position multiple times and has shown that he WANTS the opportunity. I think it was 2 things. Piss poor preparation for the opportunity which led directly to an inability to appreciate the urgency and response needed (as changes happened) given the time left in the game. If we had executed well in the past, i'd lay the blame at Barry's feet. We haven't. Fault resides with oscar.
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I'm mad that I hadn't already realized what mich pointed out re: barry having to wait for people to be in oscar's positions to get oscar's play rolling. It would be nice to see a football "all-22" video of that all playing out.
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The fact that Barry walked the ball up the court, to me, tells you all you need to know about the coaching on this team. We don't even have to discuss the asinine play. In rough ridin' high school you learn that you want to be set by X seconds. you don't just learn it, it's pounded into your head because you practice it every rough ridin' day, multiple times. Get into your set by X. Is our "X" 5 rough ridin' seconds?????????? If Barry had any coaching at all, he would not have walked the ball nonchalantly up the floor. It's funny in my mind to think of a Bob Knight coached team doing this.
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If barry had pushed the ball up the court, he'd have then had to stop there and dribble for 5-10 seconds while oscar shoved almost half his team to the other side to stand over there.
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I'm mad that I hadn't already realized what mich pointed out re: barry having to wait for people to be in oscar's positions to get oscar's play rolling. It would be nice to see a football "all-22" video of that all playing out.
It's a problem I've complained about with oscar (and college coaches in general). A general distrust of allowing players to make plays and thinking their sets and plays out of timeouts are way better than they are.
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I'm mad that I hadn't already realized what mich pointed out re: barry having to wait for people to be in oscar's positions to get oscar's play rolling. It would be nice to see a football "all-22" video of that all playing out.
https://twitter.com/gifhawk/status/952258249465753600
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I'm mad that I hadn't already realized what mich pointed out re: barry having to wait for people to be in oscar's positions to get oscar's play rolling. It would be nice to see a football "all-22" video of that all playing out.
It's a problem I've complained about with oscar (and college coaches in general). A general distrust of allowing players to make plays and thinking their sets and plays out of timeouts are way better than they are.
Yep. As I half-joked about in chat, the players did best during the game when it was flowing without stoppage and when it was too loud there for oscar to be heard.
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I'm mad that I hadn't already realized what mich pointed out re: barry having to wait for people to be in oscar's positions to get oscar's play rolling. It would be nice to see a football "all-22" video of that all playing out.
https://twitter.com/gifhawk/status/952258249465753600
I'd love to see it from the baseline or barry's perspective, but that's good enough. He knew that oscar's play called for the 3 irrelevant people to be having a picnic at the far left baseline, but saw one on each corner and a third streaking to the far right baseline. Ideally, he'd have said eff yo play and gone solo, but he did what I'd expect which was pacing himself for everyone to get to their starting points for that X&O masterpiece to commence.
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I'm mad that I hadn't already realized what mich pointed out re: barry having to wait for people to be in oscar's positions to get oscar's play rolling. It would be nice to see a football "all-22" video of that all playing out.
It's a problem I've complained about with oscar (and college coaches in general). A general distrust of allowing players to make plays and thinking their sets and plays out of timeouts are way better than they are.
Yes, its generally a problem, but I think its one of the worst traits of oscar.
I still can't believe Barry took 6 seconds to bring the ball past half court. Amazing.
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I'm mad that I hadn't already realized what mich pointed out re: barry having to wait for people to be in oscar's positions to get oscar's play rolling. It would be nice to see a football "all-22" video of that all playing out.
https://twitter.com/gifhawk/status/952258249465753600
watching it a couple of times it's amazing people think it was a good play design. Why would you run the initial screen action toward the side where you overloaded and therefore brought the help? Also Wade wasn't very open for anything other than a deeper-than-normal three.
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I'm mad that I hadn't already realized what mich pointed out re: barry having to wait for people to be in oscar's positions to get oscar's play rolling. It would be nice to see a football "all-22" video of that all playing out.
It's a problem I've complained about with oscar (and college coaches in general). A general distrust of allowing players to make plays and thinking their sets and plays out of timeouts are way better than they are.
Yes, its generally a problem, but I think its one of the worst traits of oscar.
I still can't believe Barry took 6 seconds to bring the ball past half court. Amazing.
And oscar was still rearranging players on the court!
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Moreover, Self and KU players said they prepared for the play because we ran it at the end of the game a year ago. If Oscar was a 3-D chessmaster he would have had a counter to it involving a couple of the three non-entitites he apparently doesn't trust.
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watching it a couple of times it's amazing people think it was a good play design. Why would you run the initial screen action toward the side where you overloaded and therefore brought the help? Also Wade wasn't very open for anything other than a deeper-than-normal three.
My assumption is that Wade shoots best from the top of the key, so they design it for him to catch it there. Azubuke's defense is not good, but he would've been in position to contest it. Again, the real problem to me is not getting the ball up the floor quickly. If Barry passes it as is, Dean catches with 4 seconds left and probably only has the jump shot. Maybe one dribble and jump shot. If we race it, Dean can catch with 7-8 seconds left and has a real shot to drive it. Even if Dean can get to 15 or so feet, he's been nailing that jumper all day.
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watching it a couple of times it's amazing people think it was a good play design. Why would you run the initial screen action toward the side where you overloaded and therefore brought the help? Also Wade wasn't very open for anything other than a deeper-than-normal three.
My assumption is that Wade shoots best from the top of the key, so they design it for him to catch it there.
Well then start the action on the right side of the court with Brown going right. Or have everyone stand on the right side. You could still have Wade catch it at the top of the key, but you'd also have a Brown drive as an option, which you really didn't have until the rescreen as designed.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious.
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i very much doubt if they wanted to shoot it much earlier than with 5. probably wanted to go more at 7 or 8 seconds (which is when wade popped up for the initial screen). you definitely aren't going to want to give the ball back to ku with more than 1 or 2 left on the clock.
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watching it a couple of times it's amazing people think it was a good play design. Why would you run the initial screen action toward the side where you overloaded and therefore brought the help? Also Wade wasn't very open for anything other than a deeper-than-normal three.
My assumption is that Wade shoots best from the top of the key, so they design it for him to catch it there.
Well then start the action on the right side of the court with Brown going right. Or have everyone stand on the right side. You could still have Wade catch it at the top of the key, but you'd also have a Brown drive as an option, which you really didn't have until the rescreen as designed.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious.
Its a good question.
Its also interesting that oscar made adjustments this year. Last year it was the opposite direction and the floor was balanced with 2 on the left and 1 on the right instead of all three on the left this year.
Last year:
(https://preview.ibb.co/diphGm/Wade_last_year_shot.png)
This year:
(https://preview.ibb.co/d4GjU6/83_FA1_C0_C_E713_40_DD_A8_BA_2_DE8_B2_BEEF88.png)
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i very much doubt if they wanted to shoot it much earlier than with 5. probably wanted to go more at 7 or 8 seconds (which is when wade popped up for the initial screen). you definitely aren't going to want to give the ball back to ku with more than 1 or 2 left on the clock.
Based on last year sys, I think you are correct. We passed it at 5 (shot clock) last year for Dean's shot. The pass should have been made at about 4 this year.
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I get why the screen came from Barry's left (but I also get what MICH is saying). The roll part of the screen didn't go real smooth. Newman and Dean almost got tangled up. Newman kind of hugged Dean as he was trying to get around the pick.
I don't know if Weber wanted Sneed & Patrick to run to the right baseline and then immediately go to the opposite baseline, thus trying to make Vick/Svi distracted a bit as our 2 guys were moving not standing. However our 2 guys didn't head to the opposite baseline til Weber yelled at them
Vick is barely paying attention to Patrick when he is in front of our bench. Vick sees Patrick go to the opposite corner but he lets him go and just stays in the lane. He was gonna be there to help on a drive and if Patrick got the ball, just hope that rotation D can get to him and contest a 3.
Barry really kind of just stops as Dean is setting the screen. If he takes another dribble or two to his left, maybe Azubuike gets pulled away more, letting Dean be more open that he was. I don't know.
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I have a theory as to why oscar put 3 guys on one side of the floor and had Barry initially go that way off of Wade's screen. Last year, KU had an extra defender over there to help contest the shot. This year, KU had Newman who could help on a drive in the lane, but there is no one on the perimeter to help contest the shot.
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I mean, sure the fact that it was the last possession instead of the next-to-last possession made it different, but that seems like an unlikely OK/meltdown threshold
That's all I was saying, friend.
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I'm mad that I hadn't already realized what mich pointed out re: barry having to wait for people to be in oscar's positions to get oscar's play rolling. It would be nice to see a football "all-22" video of that all playing out.
It's a problem I've complained about with oscar (and college coaches in general). A general distrust of allowing players to make plays and thinking their sets and plays out of timeouts are way better than they are.
I know everyone is slobbering all over Chris Beard, and for good reason, but yesterday he had an over coaching hall of fame moment. Dude called three time outs yesterday, in overtime, each with his team on the line, and WVU out of timeouts, to remind his team to play half court man to man and not foul.
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Moreover, Self and KU players said they prepared for the play because we ran it at the end of the game a year ago. If Oscar was a 3-D chessmaster he would have had a counter to it involving a couple of the three non-entitites he apparently doesn't trust.
People keep bringing this up as if it's some indictment of oscar when it isn't at all. It's not football they aren't choosing from a hundred plays, it's like a half dozen. It would be an indictment of Self if he didn't have an idea of what was coming. KU runs the same end game play so often that not only do most know the action but they know the actual play call, it's called Chop.
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Moreover, Self and KU players said they prepared for the play because we ran it at the end of the game a year ago. If Oscar was a 3-D chessmaster he would have had a counter to it involving a couple of the three non-entitites he apparently doesn't trust.
People keep bringing this up as if it's some indictment of oscar when it isn't at all. It's not football they aren't choosing from a hundred plays, it's like a half dozen. It would be an indictment of Self if he didn't have an idea of what was coming. KU runs the same end game play so often that not only do most know the action but they know the actual play call, it's called Chop.
And they didn't defend it that well anyway. Azubuike gets caught standing on the initial screen. The other KU defender grabs Wade a little bit, but he still would've gotten a fairly open shot off of the pop.
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I have a theory as to why oscar put 3 guys on one side of the floor and had Barry initially go that way off of Wade's screen. Last year, KU had an extra defender over there to help contest the shot. This year, KU had Newman who could help on a drive in the lane, but there is no one on the perimeter to help contest the shot.
Oh for sure. The 2007 play that Huggs did at Texas with Cartier is a little different, in that Martin pops to the wing for the 3. But the other 3 Cats are on the opposite side of Martin shooting. If Dean's sweet spot wasn't the Top of the key, we could have ran a play just like Hoskins and Martin did.
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Not an XO guy here but wouldn't sending rebounder from the weak side give a better chance to put back a missed three
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Not an XO guy here but wouldn't sending rebounder from the weak side give a better chance to put back a missed three
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Yes, but you'd have to run the play with enough time for that to be an option. We didn't. I'm assuming Sneed would've gone to the glass if we got the shot off earlier.
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Thank you guys for some interesting discussion on that last play. Sneed and Patrick did go in for the rebound but due to the shot going up late, it was no advantage.
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Moreover, Self and KU players said they prepared for the play because we ran it at the end of the game a year ago. If Oscar was a 3-D chessmaster he would have had a counter to it involving a couple of the three non-entitites he apparently doesn't trust.
People keep bringing this up as if it's some indictment of oscar when it isn't at all. It's not football they aren't choosing from a hundred plays, it's like a half dozen. It would be an indictment of Self if he didn't have an idea of what was coming. KU runs the same end game play so often that not only do most know the action but they know the actual play call, it's called Chop.
And they didn't defend it that well anyway. Azubuike gets caught standing on the initial screen. The other KU defender grabs Wade a little bit, but he still would've gotten a fairly open shot off of the pop.
It was better defended than you're giving them credit for. It certainly wouldn't be a clean look by the time Wade caught the pass, unlike last year.
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I wish that rough ridin' shot would have just gone in.
Is there anything more inequitable in college basketball than the referee "no-call just give it to the team who got fouled out of bounds" play that gets called 20 times during the game, but is overturned by video in the last 2 minutes??? (or last 2:44 if its our game yesterday)
Also, WTF was that shot clock violation at the end of the 1st half after Azubuke had possession then threw it right back to us???
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Moreover, Self and KU players said they prepared for the play because we ran it at the end of the game a year ago. If Oscar was a 3-D chessmaster he would have had a counter to it involving a couple of the three non-entitites he apparently doesn't trust.
People keep bringing this up as if it's some indictment of oscar when it isn't at all. It's not football they aren't choosing from a hundred plays, it's like a half dozen. It would be an indictment of Self if he didn't have an idea of what was coming. KU runs the same end game play so often that not only do most know the action but they know the actual play call, it's called Chop.
And they didn't defend it that well anyway. Azubuike gets caught standing on the initial screen. The other KU defender grabs Wade a little bit, but he still would've gotten a fairly open shot off of the pop.
It was better defended than you're giving them credit for. It certainly wouldn't be a clean look by the time Wade caught the pass, unlike last year.
Probably.
Dean had a great look last year.
(https://image.ibb.co/mVR4U6/Wade_last_year_shot_2.png)
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This discussion has missed the point. Why were we hoping for a last second shot. The smart decision here was to get ourselves two chances at this. oscar should have told Barry to sprint down the court and drive as quickly as possible. Either get a bucket or get fouled. They’re not going to defend it hard because they don’t want to foul. WORST case scenario, we miss and don’t get fouled, and KU makes two free throws and are up 3.
Going for a last second prayer of a three is way dumber than attacking the basket.
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The thinking is that a pick and pop three by Dean is higher percentage that drive and get fouled.
I have no problem with the play
It wasn't executed
That's on oscar
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The thinking is that a pick and pop three by Dean is higher percentage that drive and get fouled.
I have no problem with the play
It wasn't executed
That's on oscar
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It may be, but two chances is better than one and a quick drive when the opposing team is playing soft so they don’t foul has proven a very good late game play.
That shot by Dean could still be taken with 8-10 seconds left if we end up down 3.
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dunno if luked, but a friend posted the diagram of oscar's final play
(https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26231305_10104607235944201_1506892546147993635_n.jpg?oh=88225d5f6f622dc0a0dc933c032880a5&oe=5AEFBF27)
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This discussion has missed the point. Why were we hoping for a last second shot. The smart decision here was to get ourselves two chances at this. oscar should have told Barry to sprint down the court and drive as quickly as possible. Either get a bucket or get fouled. They’re not going to defend it hard because they don’t want to foul. WORST case scenario, we miss and don’t get fouled, and KU makes two free throws and are up 3.
Going for a last second prayer of a three is way dumber than attacking the basket.
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1. Yes, Barry walking up the court was a mistake.
That said, if Barry goes to the rim quickly, misses and we foul, there very likely wasn't gonna be enough time to a Pick-N-pop play for Dean on next possession.
2. Driving, getting a bucket or drawing a foul isn't as simple as some people make it out to believe in this situation. Vick was standing in the lane waiting for a drive. Azubuike is likely trailing Barry if Barry goes hard to the rim off of a pick.
Remember, earlier in the game, Barry in transition went to the rim, went right at a Ku defender, and Azubuike who was trailing Barry, blocked his shot on a layup attempt.
Vick was standing in the lane from the get go. In theory, he was guarding Patrick. But even before Patrick went to the opposite baseline, he was 20+ feet off Patrick.
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pretty much anything is better than what we got. what that play was supposed to achieve in oscar’s brain, absolutely doesn’t matter
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Good discussion with Sunvold on 810 a bit ago. Push the ball up and run your offense, send some cutters, make the defense move, do anything but stand at the top of the key and dribble the ball while everyone watches you....unless you are Trae Young. Take a shot no later than 4 seconds but more importantly if you happen to get a good shot at 7 seconds, take it. Bill Self said he would want to always shoot the ball with no less than 4 seconds. NEVER try to take a shot at the buzzer.
I'd like to say Sunny is a basketball genius but honestly this is exactly what i was taught in high school. HIGH SCHOOL.
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I think the shot was supposed to happen much sooner. No doubt it was completely botched.
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I think the shot was supposed to happen much sooner. No doubt it was completely botched.
The shot couldn't have happened too much sooner as Barry didn't get across half court until there were only 8 seconds left...about the time we should have been half way thru our set and looking for a good shot.
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Yes. By that I mean he should have got the ball up the floor quicker.
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I'm mad that I hadn't already realized what mich pointed out re: barry having to wait for people to be in oscar's positions to get oscar's play rolling. It would be nice to see a football "all-22" video of that all playing out.
It's a problem I've complained about with oscar (and college coaches in general). A general distrust of allowing players to make plays and thinking their sets and plays out of timeouts are way better than they are.
Mark Fox just drew up one of the best set plays I've ever seen in a late game situation and his players executed it flawlessly. Whatever Will Wade drew up it resulted in his point guard taking a 40 ft. runner with 3 seconds left, it was as bad as anything I've seen.
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I think we are better but they'll probably shoot lights out.
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They are going to destroy us
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I think we are better but they'll probably shoot lights out.
mods, please change user to IowaSt43
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They are going to destroy us
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I will bet on WVU all the way. No way KSU covers the spread after an embarrassing loss like that from WV. Book it!! Btw, where is bookiepimp?????
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A BIG FAT BEAUTIFUL WIN FOR CATS AGAINST WVU!!!
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:alleyoop: :batman:
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I see a win for the good guys.
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Winnable, yes. It will be tough though.
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If we can at least find a middle ground in our shooting for an entire game I think we hang a W on em.
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Will coal aggie be allowed to play their "physical" game? Don't think we're as tough as when Frank was here, and if refs allow WVU to play their game, we are toast.
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A BIG FAT BEAUTIFUL WIN FOR CATS AGAINST WVU!!!
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"This is as bad of a transition defense as I’ve ever had," said Huggins. "...We don’t guard. We don’t have any pride in guarding. I’ve never coached guys like that. People score and we don’t even act like (we’re upset). At least act like you’re mad. Act like it bothers you."
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I really thought WVU would contend for the league after they beat us in Manhattan. Yeah, they guarded, but I also thought they had guys hit tough shots all game long too. Now they look vulnerable, but who knows what to expect after their debacle in Ames.
(https://image.ibb.co/eRyGtm/WEST_VIRGINIA.png)
In Big 12 play their scoring and efficiency have been pretty pedestrian. We could go there and win and we should have better offensive numbers, but who knows. I just don't expect us to have 3 sub 1.0 ppp games in a row, but if WVU comes out really defending at their place it will be tough.
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Nope
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Don't think we're as tough as when Frank was here
Hell of an understatement
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Huggs-cuses?
https://bluegoldnews.com/west-virginia-mountaineers/wvu-hit-hard-by-flu-might-play-with-shortened-bench-versus-k-state/
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I'm as cautiously optimistic as one can be about winning a game in hillbilly holler.
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I see a win for the good guys.
eff off, Trim
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/959610860271554560
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/959610860271554560
Mountaineers supposedly have five bench guys out for the game. We have bench guys who are, ER ....
Even odds now. WVU bench guys killed us at Manhattan. Crowd should not be a factor. I was at the Manhattan game and there was a sorry crowd - so we know we can play with them. Likely Hugs is telling his guys to spit on everything to freak our guys. My prediction,
a win with the triumphant return of Deathbite.
If we can't win against a team decimated with the flu, the Weber does need to go.
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Vegas still has WVU -8.5 so they don't seem to believe Huggs
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I believed in Huggins once. Never again.
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......no chance......
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Jesus I hope we brought a ton of bottled water. Pretty disgusting over there
https://twitter.com/mikecasazza/status/959884179864543233
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Get another freaking ball handler on the court, oscar. Forget about Mawein.
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Could this team play with any less heart?
The 2019-20 preview to end the half was terrifying
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We take out Maiwen, bring in Stockard, and the drop off is pretty big.
Then we take out Stockard, bring in Love and we actually get noticeably worse. LOL
You know it isn't a good half when Barry has 0 pts 5 TOs. Or when as a team we have more TOs than Made FGs. We went 10:11 with no FGs. Lucky to be down 9.
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Embarrassingly bad
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12 fouls called in the first 4 minutes of the second
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12 fouls called in the first 4 minutes of the second
great back-to-back phantom fouls against those poor wvu defenders. maybe the brown technical makes up for them.
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Barry had a bad 1st half. Instead of regrouping, forgetting that half, he came out all pissy, still frustrated and had a meltdown as a foul was called on him. Then he punches a chair when he goes to the bench.
Very Sad Barry
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Lots of time left
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The moral victory where stupid fans blame the officiating is still available here
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The moral victory where stupid fans blame the officiating is still available here
i'm gonna need a memo outlining that.
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Less time than before
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The moral victory where stupid fans blame the officiating is still available here
i'm gonna need a memo outlining that.
1. WVU decimated by flu. Bench has no depth.
2. After WVU builds up substantial lead, refs start calling everything (and even making up a few fouls to benefit KSU)
3. Constant stoppage in play allows WVU players extra rest.
Boom. #brucescused
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Game wasn't winnable obvs and that's ok
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Still .500. still better than most expected.
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we're gonna run out of time on this one.
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that theodore allen mountaineer is a walking bucket.
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Lose by 38 at WV. Win by 2 at Texas.
Would be successful 2 game stretch for me. Team needs to show toughness and regroup.
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I did not watch the game, however looking at the score I'm truly hoping this is where the season heads off the rails.
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Gotta admit a 38 point loss is pretty bad.
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Gotta admit a 38 point loss is pretty bad.
stokes triumphantly returned.
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Who knew the flu was our kryptonite
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I did not watch the game, however looking at the score I'm truly hoping this is where the season heads off the rails.
Fools gold....we all thought this about Oklahoma a couple years ago....
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the correct answer was "no"
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Those 13 possession games end up haunting you at the end if the year, what could have been.
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Lose by 38 at WV. Win by 2 at Texas.
Would be successful 2 game stretch for me. Team needs to show toughness and regroup.
Ok. Win by 3
Sets up a big game Saturday. Win and get to 7-5.
5 of final 6 games are vs teams that are currently 6th-10th