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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: 'taterblast on January 31, 2019, 08:57:23 AM
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twitter people are starting to say he faked it
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1090969195918036992
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1090834071964528640
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It sounded pretty fake when I first read about it
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twitter people are starting to say he faked it
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1090834071964528640
I think I know the two people in that photo. They look exactly like the silhouettes of every person I've ever known ever.
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It seems really unlikely that it was a targeted racist and homophobic attack given the location, time, and weather. I just don’t know how the two maga guys with ropes were prepared for the black and gay Empire actor to be walking around Lower Water street at 2am on the coldest night of the last 20 years. A lot about the initial reports don’t make sense. If he was down there then it wouldn’t be surprising if he was robbed though.
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The reporting I’m hearing on this probably ought to start using the “alleged” qualifier. There’s a decent chance this is bullshit. I’m not saying it didn’t happen - just that there’s a lot of things here to be skeptical of. Naturally, most in the media are accepting it at face value.
Glad he left the rope around his neck for when the police arrived 45 minutes later, but then asked for them to turn off their body cams? Glad he was talking to his agent at the time of the attack, who can totally back up hearing the attack and the “MAGA Country” comments, but he won’t turn his phone over to police to verify that? Glad these two racist Trump supporters were hanging around outside at 2am in temps well below zero, and that they had some sort of thermos? that prevented whatever liquid they accosted him with from freezing? Glad the police found one video feed of two people walking on the other side of the street, but too bad those two people could be literally anybody and there’s absolutely no video of the alleged assault?
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While it would be completely disgusting for anyone to make something like this up and unfairly upend the lives of everyone who owns a MAGA hat, the one positive thing is everyone would finally be forced to admit who the real racists are.
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It sounded pretty fake when I first read about it
yeah it was like a literal check every box assault
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Smdh
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So, where are we at on this? Hoax?
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1096438125822443521
A Chicago police spokesman confirms that the two suspects arrested in the reported hate crime involving black actor Jussie Smollett are black.
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so not a hoax, but, weird
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Yes, and they're apparently two brothers from Nigeria.
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thats what the conspiracy theorists will tell you
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Two black dudes from Nigeria shouting "this is MAGA country" and placing a noose around his neck. Both aspiring actors, and one of whom worked on the set of Empire. Waiting for the other shoe to drop, here.
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Yeah, “sources” were saying that the brothers orchestrated it with him as of this morning, but they backed off that today
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Could be fake news, I'm not sure. Haven't seen any credible news sources reporting this.
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I wonder if Tamba was involved in this somehow?
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I wonder if Tamba was involved in this somehow?
Ok, that was funny.
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2 black men did it. Yikes!
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So he paid 2 guys he worked with to do it?
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Probably
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Confirmed, please merge thread with libs losing their minds over Trump.
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JFC
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I used to live 3 blocks from where it "happened". It was pretty clearly horseshit from the beginning.
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Why do Trump haters feel the need to keep concocting fake Trump-related hate crimes? Why do the media keep reporting allegations of fake hate crimes without corroboration?
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Why do Trump haters feel the need to keep concocting fake Trump-related hate crimes? Why do the media keep reporting allegations of fake hate crimes without corroboration?
Media is all over it being fake. This dude is totally cooked
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While it would be completely disgusting for anyone to make something like this up and unfairly upend the lives of everyone who owns a MAGA hat, the one positive thing is everyone would finally be forced to admit who the real racists are.
:love:
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Enough people have have been caught doing something like this that I really have to wonder about the mental capacity of someone who attempts something like this, on this scale. It's one thing to pay someone to do this, a complete other thing to do a media tour professing your innocence while the investigation is fresh.
If any of you have ever seen Empire, this seems like something straight from that show.
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yeah MAGA hatters claim they are afraid to wear the hats and that's fake AF. Everyone needs a boogeyman
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so not a hoax, but, weird
or def a hoax
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Why do Trump haters feel the need to keep concocting fake Trump-related hate crimes? Why do the media keep reporting allegations of fake hate crimes without corroboration?
Media is all over it being fake. This dude is totally cooked
I hope so. Least they can do at this point. It sure would be nice if they wouldn’t run these stories in the first place without corroborating evidence. The irony is that the high profile nature of this hoax is why it was ultimately debunked. There was a rash of reported hate crimes in the days immediately following Trump’s election, most of which were likely bullshit but were never really investigated. They were reported as truth, but nothing ever came of them.
Here’s one local example: Area Women Report Hate Speech, Groping After Election (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansas.com/news/local/article116547173.html)
These allegations mostly happened at stores, but because police reports were never filed, no surveillance footage was obtained to prove or disprove the encounters. The media reported the allegations anyway. When I asked one of the reporters why, he said (not kidding) “well, what if it’s true and we didn’t report it?” :facepalm:
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Trump and MAGA people are, kind of, the victim if you think about it
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I don’t like Trump and MAGA people, so who gives a crap about the truth?
I disagree with your position.
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I don’t like Trump and MAGA people, so who gives a crap about the truth?
I disagree with your position.
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How embarrassing
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Can they arrest him for wasting everybody’s rough ridin' time?
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Why do Trump haters feel the need to keep concocting fake Trump-related hate crimes? Why do the media keep reporting allegations of fake hate crimes without corroboration?
Probably because a little over a year ago a Trump supporter literally drove his car through protesters and even murdered one :dunno:
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Good to see the resident LibDerps have the Deflecto Machine turned to 11, as usual.
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Can they arrest him for wasting everybody’s rough ridin' time?
They can charge him for filing a false police report. And I'm guessing his career is probably over. He will pay a hefty price, as he should.
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https://twitter.com/jussiesmollett/status/951681671027404800?s=21
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https://twitter.com/johnfag46176157/status/1096990317268557824?s=21
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America loves a comeback story, his career is not over.
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America loves a comeback story, his career is not over.
Considering the vast majority of Americans had no idea who this guy was before this incident, I don't see him ever shedding this scarlet letter. This is particularly disappointing because it simultaneously stokes racial animosity while making it harder for real victims to be believed. You really think he can survive this?
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To goEMAW's credit, it seems that both POS pubs and LibDerp Nation questioned the veracity of this story from the beginning. Well done everyone.
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America loves a comeback story, his career is not over.
Considering the vast majority of Americans had no idea who this guy was before this incident, I don't see him ever shedding this scarlet letter. This is particularly disappointing because it simultaneously stokes racial animosity while making it harder for real victims to be believed. You really think he can survive this?
Yea I think he will work in something meaningful again
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Why do Trump haters feel the need to keep concocting fake Trump-related hate crimes? Why do the media keep reporting allegations of fake hate crimes without corroboration?
Media is all over it being fake. This dude is totally cooked
I hope so. Least they can do at this point. It sure would be nice if they wouldn’t run these stories in the first place without corroborating evidence. The irony is that the high profile nature of this hoax is why it was ultimately debunked. There was a rash of reported hate crimes in the days immediately following Trump’s election, most of which were likely bullshit but were never really investigated. They were reported as truth, but nothing ever came of them.
Here’s one local example: Area Women Report Hate Speech, Groping After Election (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansas.com/news/local/article116547173.html)
These allegations mostly happened at stores, but because police reports were never filed, no surveillance footage was obtained to prove or disprove the encounters. The media reported the allegations anyway. When I asked one of the reporters why, he said (not kidding) “well, what if it’s true and we didn’t report it?” :facepalm:
so in your preferred version, no one would report until the investigation was complete? like a trial?
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America loves a comeback story, his career is not over.
Considering the vast majority of Americans had no idea who this guy was before this incident, I don't see him ever shedding this scarlet letter. This is particularly disappointing because it simultaneously stokes racial animosity while making it harder for real victims to be believed. You really think he can survive this?
LOL.
Your first sentence is a real two America's perspective. To millions of Americans Smollet is just as recognizable as Will Arnett and Jason Sudekis (I literally had to look these dudes names up, recognize their faces, forgot their names).
Your second sentence should be put on a poster for white fragility. White people have been blaming black men for crimes they didn't commit literally every day since emancipation. We wanna take bets on how many of my people are locked up because some white person wanted to pin a crime on them that they didn't commit, how many lynched, executed by the government? When any of that happens do white people feel the need to blame them for stoking black distrust in the white power structure? GMAFB on "stoking racial animosity," anyone who uses this or any other false accusation didn't need this to fuel the animus. Black people are 12% of the population, it should be clear to all that we hold no keys in controlling what white people think about race relations.
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No one cares about the makeup on a percentile basis of the population except you
That doesn’t change the fact that the media and social media took up the mantle of a falsehood and propagated a lie in order to fortify a political agenda.
Now once again they have to walk it back. Rinse and repeat.
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Why do Trump haters feel the need to keep concocting fake Trump-related hate crimes? Why do the media keep reporting allegations of fake hate crimes without corroboration?
Media is all over it being fake. This dude is totally cooked
I hope so. Least they can do at this point. It sure would be nice if they wouldn’t run these stories in the first place without corroborating evidence. The irony is that the high profile nature of this hoax is why it was ultimately debunked. There was a rash of reported hate crimes in the days immediately following Trump’s election, most of which were likely bullshit but were never really investigated. They were reported as truth, but nothing ever came of them.
Here’s one local example: Area Women Report Hate Speech, Groping After Election (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansas.com/news/local/article116547173.html)
These allegations mostly happened at stores, but because police reports were never filed, no surveillance footage was obtained to prove or disprove the encounters. The media reported the allegations anyway. When I asked one of the reporters why, he said (not kidding) “well, what if it’s true and we didn’t report it?” :facepalm:
so in your preferred version, no one would report until the investigation was complete? like a trial?
It’s a fair question. I think a certain amount of due diligence should be performed before reporting alleged hate crimes at face value. Using the news article I cited above as an example, the reporters should have asked some basic questions like: Did you file a police report? Did you file a complaint with the store manager? Would you be willing to help us obtain surveillance video of what happened? They didn’t ask those questions or do any investigation whatsoever before publishing the allegations (I know because the reporter acknowledged as much when I asked him). One lady says she filed a police report, but the reporter acknowledged that they never reviewed the report and couldn’t even say where the report had been filed. The Wichita PD had no such report.
In the Smollett case, the dude filed a police report. The police were investigating. It was a high profile case involving a celebrity and sensational claims. So I’m not suggesting the media shouldn’t have published the allegations, but based upon what I saw they sure didn’t cover it with appropriate caution or skepticism. The reporting I saw rarely if ever used the word “alleged” and seemed to further sensationalize the claims.
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America loves a comeback story, his career is not over.
Considering the vast majority of Americans had no idea who this guy was before this incident, I don't see him ever shedding this scarlet letter. This is particularly disappointing because it simultaneously stokes racial animosity while making it harder for real victims to be believed. You really think he can survive this?
LOL.
Your first sentence is a real two America's perspective. To millions of Americans Smollet is just as recognizable as Will Arnett and Jason Sudekis (I literally had to look these dudes names up, recognize their faces, forgot their names).
Your second sentence should be put on a poster for white fragility. White people have been blaming black men for crimes they didn't commit literally every day since emancipation. We wanna take bets on how many of my people are locked up because some white person wanted to pin a crime on them that they didn't commit, how many lynched, executed by the government? When any of that happens do white people feel the need to blame them for stoking black distrust in the white power structure? GMAFB on "stoking racial animosity," anyone who uses this or any other false accusation didn't need this to fuel the animus. Black people are 12% of the population, it should be clear to all that we hold no keys in controlling what white people think about race relations.
I know you don't condone his actions, if indeed the allegations of a hoax are proven to be true. But thanks for reminding me we have an ugly history of prejudice in this country, and in too many cases unrelated to this instance, that pattern continues today. If you want to make this about that, then I'm outtie. If unrelated to this case, you want to point out other instances of black people being unfairly victimized by the justice system, then I'll gladly stand beside you and voice my strong disapproval. Have a great day.
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Wait K-S-U contacted the reporter because of that story? lol
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Wait K-S-U contacted the reporter because of that story? lol
That was a pretty big wtf moment for me, too.
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Yeah, I’m weird like that. I find things like this oddly interesting. The part that got me was:
A little after 7 a.m. the day after the election, a 54-year-old woman stopped for coffee at a convenience store in a suburb of Wichita. And this is what happened, she says.
A large man, probably in his 50s, maybe 325 pounds, 6-foot-4, stood by a car on the edge of the sidewalk outside the store. She is small, about 5-foot-4, 125 pounds. As she walked by him, she said, “He grabbed me by my breast.”
She pushed back, and “he lost balance and fell down.”
“I was terrified,” she said.
Still, she couldn’t help looking down at him and asking. “What gave you the right to do that?”
She said he replied something like: “If a man like Donald Trump can do whatever he wants to women and still get elected president, it must be OK.” The man said a lot of women voted for Trump, and he said it was time for men to take their “rightful place in society.”
The woman said she met with police the next day and filed a police report.
So when I read this obviously bullshit, over the top, story I thought “huh, that over-the-top story is clearly bullshit - but sounds like it would be very easy for the police/media to prove or disprove.” So I called the reporter to see what investigation they did, and what further investigation they planned to do.
The reporter had much the same reaction as you. He kept asking me “what connection” I had to the story and he seemed really suspicious that I was just some random dude who actually read the article and was curious. Skeptical of that - not skeptical of the bullshit story. Because it fit the narrative.
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https://twitter.com/hale_razor/status/1097267096503762944?s=21
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I really don't expect anything different from the party of hoaxes and grievance
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You're a big Hale_razor fan, huh fax?
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America loves a comeback story, his career is not over.
Considering the vast majority of Americans had no idea who this guy was before this incident, I don't see him ever shedding this scarlet letter. This is particularly disappointing because it simultaneously stokes racial animosity while making it harder for real victims to be believed. You really think he can survive this?
LOL.
Your first sentence is a real two America's perspective. To millions of Americans Smollet is just as recognizable as Will Arnett and Jason Sudekis (I literally had to look these dudes names up, recognize their faces, forgot their names).
Your second sentence should be put on a poster for white fragility. White people have been blaming black men for crimes they didn't commit literally every day since emancipation. We wanna take bets on how many of my people are locked up because some white person wanted to pin a crime on them that they didn't commit, how many lynched, executed by the government? When any of that happens do white people feel the need to blame them for stoking black distrust in the white power structure? GMAFB on "stoking racial animosity," anyone who uses this or any other false accusation didn't need this to fuel the animus. Black people are 12% of the population, it should be clear to all that we hold no keys in controlling what white people think about race relations.
I know you don't condone his actions, if indeed the allegations of a hoax are proven to be true. But thanks for reminding me we have an ugly history of prejudice in this country, and in too many cases unrelated to this instance, that pattern continues today. If you want to make this about that, then I'm outtie. If unrelated to this case, you want to point out other instances of black people being unfairly victimized by the justice system, then I'll gladly stand beside you and voice my strong disapproval. Have a great day.
What I want is for people to stop making this about anything but one dude and an elaborate lie. I don't want white people using these highly publicized hoaxes as a crutch for improved race relations. The boy who cried wolf talking point is 100% unacceptable, I'll hear it from the dax's, ksuw's, and the 27's of this world, but well meaning liberals and moderates should be metaphorically smacked every time they do it.
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America loves a comeback story, his career is not over.
Considering the vast majority of Americans had no idea who this guy was before this incident, I don't see him ever shedding this scarlet letter. This is particularly disappointing because it simultaneously stokes racial animosity while making it harder for real victims to be believed. You really think he can survive this?
LOL.
Your first sentence is a real two America's perspective. To millions of Americans Smollet is just as recognizable as Will Arnett and Jason Sudekis (I literally had to look these dudes names up, recognize their faces, forgot their names).
Your second sentence should be put on a poster for white fragility. White people have been blaming black men for crimes they didn't commit literally every day since emancipation. We wanna take bets on how many of my people are locked up because some white person wanted to pin a crime on them that they didn't commit, how many lynched, executed by the government? When any of that happens do white people feel the need to blame them for stoking black distrust in the white power structure? GMAFB on "stoking racial animosity," anyone who uses this or any other false accusation didn't need this to fuel the animus. Black people are 12% of the population, it should be clear to all that we hold no keys in controlling what white people think about race relations.
I know you don't condone his actions, if indeed the allegations of a hoax are proven to be true. But thanks for reminding me we have an ugly history of prejudice in this country, and in too many cases unrelated to this instance, that pattern continues today. If you want to make this about that, then I'm outtie. If unrelated to this case, you want to point out other instances of black people being unfairly victimized by the justice system, then I'll gladly stand beside you and voice my strong disapproval. Have a great day.
What I want is for people to stop making this about anything but one dude and an elaborate lie. I don't want white people using these highly publicized hoaxes as a crutch for improved race relations. The boy who cried wolf talking point is 100% unacceptable, I'll hear it from the dax's, ksuw's, and the 27's of this world, but well meaning liberals and moderates should be metaphorically smacked every time they do it.
This is exactly about one dude and a stupid lie (again, it's not 100% proven, but it's looking that way). I would prefer we simply keep it at that, and not make anyone else somehow culpable for one guy's idiocy. And I hope/expect people will call this dude out for taking advantage of raw emotions in this country that are based on very real grievances. His (apparent) actions are dumb and counterproductive to progress.
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Sorry friends its much more than one guy, the left can't be taken seriously because they are consistently and dishonestly propagandizing the masses on varied subjects everyday. Some of you are rube propaganda consumers and some are sicko propaganda creators, and Spracne is just a solid human who wants to be impartially fair to all. Groups have to self police if they desire credibility.
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That's an amazing take, 27
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my takes always are
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You should all stop pretending that much of the media isn’t at least partially complicit in these hoaxes.
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Ok, so in retrospect, who had the most unhinged reaction to the hoax? I’m going with Ellen Page, who jumped straight to blaming... Mike Pence.
[youtube]https://mobile.twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1091202682604478464[/youtube]
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Mike pence would have tried to electrocute the gay out of jussie (still unclear to me if he's gay or the character or both)
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How far we've fallen from the Hillary indictment watch. :frown:
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dzsa9mNXQAEyhCx.jpg)
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You should all stop pretending that much of the media isn’t at least partially complicit in these hoaxes.
They reported what the police told them :dunno:
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Yeah, I’m weird like that. I find things like this oddly interesting. The part that got me was:
A little after 7 a.m. the day after the election, a 54-year-old woman stopped for coffee at a convenience store in a suburb of Wichita. And this is what happened, she says.
A large man, probably in his 50s, maybe 325 pounds, 6-foot-4, stood by a car on the edge of the sidewalk outside the store. She is small, about 5-foot-4, 125 pounds. As she walked by him, she said, “He grabbed me by my breast.”
She pushed back, and “he lost balance and fell down.”
“I was terrified,” she said.
Still, she couldn’t help looking down at him and asking. “What gave you the right to do that?”
She said he replied something like: “If a man like Donald Trump can do whatever he wants to women and still get elected president, it must be OK.” The man said a lot of women voted for Trump, and he said it was time for men to take their “rightful place in society.”
The woman said she met with police the next day and filed a police report.
So when I read this obviously bullshit, over the top, story I thought “huh, that over-the-top story is clearly bullshit - but sounds like it would be very easy for the police/media to prove or disprove.” So I called the reporter to see what investigation they did, and what further investigation they planned to do.
The reporter had much the same reaction as you. He kept asking me “what connection” I had to the story and he seemed really suspicious that I was just some random dude who actually read the article and was curious. Skeptical of that - not skeptical of the bullshit story. Because it fit the narrative.
I am literally in love with dub now.
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"Jussie" is a really stupid name.
Really stupid.
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America loves a comeback story, his career is not over.
Considering the vast majority of Americans had no idea who this guy was before this incident, I don't see him ever shedding this scarlet letter. This is particularly disappointing because it simultaneously stokes racial animosity while making it harder for real victims to be believed. You really think he can survive this?
LOL.
Your first sentence is a real two America's perspective. To millions of Americans Smollet is just as recognizable as Will Arnett and Jason Sudekis (I literally had to look these dudes names up, recognize their faces, forgot their names).
Your second sentence should be put on a poster for white fragility. White people have been blaming black men for crimes they didn't commit literally every day since emancipation. We wanna take bets on how many of my people are locked up because some white person wanted to pin a crime on them that they didn't commit, how many lynched, executed by the government? When any of that happens do white people feel the need to blame them for stoking black distrust in the white power structure? GMAFB on "stoking racial animosity," anyone who uses this or any other false accusation didn't need this to fuel the animus. Black people are 12% of the population, it should be clear to all that we hold no keys in controlling what white people think about race relations.
I know you don't condone his actions, if indeed the allegations of a hoax are proven to be true. But thanks for reminding me we have an ugly history of prejudice in this country, and in too many cases unrelated to this instance, that pattern continues today. If you want to make this about that, then I'm outtie. If unrelated to this case, you want to point out other instances of black people being unfairly victimized by the justice system, then I'll gladly stand beside you and voice my strong disapproval. Have a great day.
What I want is for people to stop making this about anything but one dude and an elaborate lie. I don't want white people using these highly publicized hoaxes as a crutch for improved race relations. The boy who cried wolf talking point is 100% unacceptable, I'll hear it from the dax's, ksuw's, and the 27's of this world, but well meaning liberals and moderates should be metaphorically smacked every time they do it.
That's fair.
But if we shouldn't give this episode any significance broader than the individual actors in this case, would that have been the case if Smollet was actually attacked by MAGA guys?
In other words, let's say that two guys did attack Smollet and shout "this is MAGA country" and the events unfolded like Smollet actually reported. Would you give credence to a trump supporter who said "wait a second, these highly publicized instances of violence shouldn't be given any significance beyond the individuals involved. They aren't evidence of my intentions, the intentions of the president, or the intentions of those that support the president."
I could go either way on it, but I think we should probably be consistent. Either we attach broader significance to these actions, or we limit the significance to the actors involved.
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America loves a comeback story, his career is not over.
Considering the vast majority of Americans had no idea who this guy was before this incident, I don't see him ever shedding this scarlet letter. This is particularly disappointing because it simultaneously stokes racial animosity while making it harder for real victims to be believed. You really think he can survive this?
LOL.
Your first sentence is a real two America's perspective. To millions of Americans Smollet is just as recognizable as Will Arnett and Jason Sudekis (I literally had to look these dudes names up, recognize their faces, forgot their names).
Your second sentence should be put on a poster for white fragility. White people have been blaming black men for crimes they didn't commit literally every day since emancipation. We wanna take bets on how many of my people are locked up because some white person wanted to pin a crime on them that they didn't commit, how many lynched, executed by the government? When any of that happens do white people feel the need to blame them for stoking black distrust in the white power structure? GMAFB on "stoking racial animosity," anyone who uses this or any other false accusation didn't need this to fuel the animus. Black people are 12% of the population, it should be clear to all that we hold no keys in controlling what white people think about race relations.
I know you don't condone his actions, if indeed the allegations of a hoax are proven to be true. But thanks for reminding me we have an ugly history of prejudice in this country, and in too many cases unrelated to this instance, that pattern continues today. If you want to make this about that, then I'm outtie. If unrelated to this case, you want to point out other instances of black people being unfairly victimized by the justice system, then I'll gladly stand beside you and voice my strong disapproval. Have a great day.
What I want is for people to stop making this about anything but one dude and an elaborate lie. I don't want white people using these highly publicized hoaxes as a crutch for improved race relations. The boy who cried wolf talking point is 100% unacceptable, I'll hear it from the dax's, ksuw's, and the 27's of this world, but well meaning liberals and moderates should be metaphorically smacked every time they do it.
That's fair.
But if we shouldn't give this episode any significance broader than the individual actors in this case, would that have been the case if Smollet was actually attacked by MAGA guys?
In other words, let's say that two guys did attack Smollet and shout "this is MAGA country" and the events unfolded like Smollet actually reported. Would you give credence to a trump supporter who said "wait a second, these highly publicized instances of violence shouldn't be given any significance beyond the individuals involved. They aren't evidence of my intentions, the intentions of the president, or the intentions of those that support the president."
I could go either way on it, but I think we should probably be consistent. Either we attach broader significance to these actions, or we limit the significance to the actors involved.
I don't think it's ok to paint with a broad brush like that, but I think you can definitely point to the motivators or a lack thereof in each case. Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Trump and Fox News are absolutely tapping into something dark and evil. I don't see any liberals or democrats advocating for staging hate crimes.
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America loves a comeback story, his career is not over.
Considering the vast majority of Americans had no idea who this guy was before this incident, I don't see him ever shedding this scarlet letter. This is particularly disappointing because it simultaneously stokes racial animosity while making it harder for real victims to be believed. You really think he can survive this?
LOL.
Your first sentence is a real two America's perspective. To millions of Americans Smollet is just as recognizable as Will Arnett and Jason Sudekis (I literally had to look these dudes names up, recognize their faces, forgot their names).
Your second sentence should be put on a poster for white fragility. White people have been blaming black men for crimes they didn't commit literally every day since emancipation. We wanna take bets on how many of my people are locked up because some white person wanted to pin a crime on them that they didn't commit, how many lynched, executed by the government? When any of that happens do white people feel the need to blame them for stoking black distrust in the white power structure? GMAFB on "stoking racial animosity," anyone who uses this or any other false accusation didn't need this to fuel the animus. Black people are 12% of the population, it should be clear to all that we hold no keys in controlling what white people think about race relations.
I know you don't condone his actions, if indeed the allegations of a hoax are proven to be true. But thanks for reminding me we have an ugly history of prejudice in this country, and in too many cases unrelated to this instance, that pattern continues today. If you want to make this about that, then I'm outtie. If unrelated to this case, you want to point out other instances of black people being unfairly victimized by the justice system, then I'll gladly stand beside you and voice my strong disapproval. Have a great day.
What I want is for people to stop making this about anything but one dude and an elaborate lie. I don't want white people using these highly publicized hoaxes as a crutch for improved race relations. The boy who cried wolf talking point is 100% unacceptable, I'll hear it from the dax's, ksuw's, and the 27's of this world, but well meaning liberals and moderates should be metaphorically smacked every time they do it.
That's fair.
But if we shouldn't give this episode any significance broader than the individual actors in this case, would that have been the case if Smollet was actually attacked by MAGA guys?
In other words, let's say that two guys did attack Smollet and shout "this is MAGA country" and the events unfolded like Smollet actually reported. Would you give credence to a trump supporter who said "wait a second, these highly publicized instances of violence shouldn't be given any significance beyond the individuals involved. They aren't evidence of my intentions, the intentions of the president, or the intentions of those that support the president."
I could go either way on it, but I think we should probably be consistent. Either we attach broader significance to these actions, or we limit the significance to the actors involved.
I don't think it's ok to paint with a broad brush like that, but I think you can definitely point to the motivators or a lack thereof in each case. Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Trump and Fox News are absolutely tapping into something dark and evil. I don't see any liberals or democrats advocating for staging hate crimes.
OK, but even if what you're saying is true, why should this episode serve as evidence of some broader illness in one example, but not the other? If it actually happened, the emphasis isn't limited to the individual actors, but rather, it's Fox, it's Trump, it's Alex, it's Rush, it's "The Right." But if it's an elaborate hoax, it's Jussie Smollet. Full stop.
Is your explanation that you think The Right actually is stoking racial animosity and the left is not, and Jussie Smollet is some deviant outlier rather than the symptom of anything broader?
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That is a thread ender Dlew
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That guy should get more than a false report charge if true imo. Do we have hate crime laws for non violent crimes? He should get that if so. I know the UK/EU has a lot of that stuff on the books.
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That guy should get more than a false report charge if true imo. Do we have hate crime laws for non violent crimes? He should get that if so. I know the UK/EU has a lot of that stuff on the books.
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I think the American equivalent would be terroristic threats.
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Pelosi et. al. now quietly deleting tweets.
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Post the deleted tweets dax
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Ok, so in retrospect, who had the most unhinged reaction to the hoax? I’m going with Ellen Page, who jumped straight to blaming... Mike Pence.
[youtube]https://mobile.twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1091202682604478464[/youtube]
Ellen Page, that well known media person.
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I didn’t say it had to be a media person. For the most unhinged reaction contest we should def include celebrities and politicians. Although I think I already won. Mike Pence!! :shakesfist: :lol:
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Also how amazing is it that these guys even rehearsed the attack, staged it, and yet failed to do it in view of a single camera that night? :lol:
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T.I. was all but advocating for a race war on Insta: "It’s a Disgusting Fuckking shame we continue to allow this crap to happen to OUR PEOPLE with no recourse!!!! . . .THE HITS WONT STOP UNTIL WE HIT BACK!!!! Revolution is imminent... Laws of reciprocity say so... Prayers are great... But when I’m wronged... get up off your knees and RIDE for ME!!!!! Be strong & Stay solid. We here for you Bro"
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What did Jake Paul have to say about it
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Anything from Pauly shore?
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I think the Nancy tweets I saw (before deleted) were actually pretty reserved, on measure. I’ll have to go back and look.
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I think the Nancy tweets I saw (before deleted) were actually pretty reserved, on measure. I’ll have to go back and look.
Yes you have to
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The racist, homophobic attack on @JussieSmollett is an affront to our humanity. No one should be attacked for who they are or whom they love. I pray that Jussie has a speedy recovery & that justice is served. May we all commit to ending this hate once & for all.
This one seems ok to me. Kinda surprised Nancy deleted it. So now I guess she supports racist, homophobic attacks. Strange times we live in.
I just need to know: Has Ellen Page apologized to Mike Pence yet? Or at least made another donation to Planned Parenthood in his name?
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I won't know what to think until Common has weighed in
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T.I. was all but advocating for a race war on Insta: "It’s a Disgusting Fuckking shame we continue to allow this crap to happen to OUR PEOPLE with no recourse!!!! . . .THE HITS WONT STOP UNTIL WE HIT BACK!!!! Revolution is imminent... Laws of reciprocity say so... Prayers are great... But when I’m wronged... get up off your knees and RIDE for ME!!!!! Be strong & Stay solid. We here for you Bro"
But in all seriousness pretty amazing we avoided that race war
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Anything from Pauly shore?
im on pins and needles for this one
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T.I. was all but advocating for a race war on Insta: "It’s a Disgusting Fuckking shame we continue to allow this crap to happen to OUR PEOPLE with no recourse!!!! . . .THE HITS WONT STOP UNTIL WE HIT BACK!!!! Revolution is imminent... Laws of reciprocity say so... Prayers are great... But when I’m wronged... get up off your knees and RIDE for ME!!!!! Be strong & Stay solid. We here for you Bro"
But in all seriousness pretty amazing we avoided that race war
He’s gay. Black people are more homophobic than white people.
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https://twitter.com/cher/status/1090463098224500736
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https://twitter.com/katyperry/status/1090337590958448641
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https://twitter.com/billyeichner/status/1090323215619182592
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Live report from on-site, this city has been on edge and ready to erupt ever since the report came out. Looked like it might have been the 1968 MLK riots all over again.
Just kidding it wasn’t like that at all, saw way more about it on gE and reddit than anything here. Now the Van Dyke trial on the other hand...that was a tinderbox under a chowder keg.
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T.I. was all but advocating for a race war on Insta: "It’s a Disgusting Fuckking shame we continue to allow this crap to happen to OUR PEOPLE with no recourse!!!! . . .THE HITS WONT STOP UNTIL WE HIT BACK!!!! Revolution is imminent... Laws of reciprocity say so... Prayers are great... But when I’m wronged... get up off your knees and RIDE for ME!!!!! Be strong & Stay solid. We here for you Bro"
But in all seriousness pretty amazing we avoided that race war
He’s gay. Black people are more homophobic than white people.
link?
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T.I. was all but advocating for a race war on Insta: "It’s a Disgusting Fuckking shame we continue to allow this crap to happen to OUR PEOPLE with no recourse!!!! . . .THE HITS WONT STOP UNTIL WE HIT BACK!!!! Revolution is imminent... Laws of reciprocity say so... Prayers are great... But when I’m wronged... get up off your knees and RIDE for ME!!!!! Be strong & Stay solid. We here for you Bro"
But in all seriousness pretty amazing we avoided that race war
He’s gay. Black people are more homophobic than white people.
link?
Ta-Nehisi Coates seems to think so. I really don’t know.
www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/5977/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/5977/)
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Pelosi et. al. now quietly deleting tweets.
What is Kendall Jenner doing?
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Damn. Cher giving Ellen Page a game here. Could be close.
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Kdub, enjoy
https://twitter.com/DavidRutz/status/1097602955082113024
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it shouldn't be that difficult of an answer for anyone. "I reacted emotionally to what appeared to be a violent hate crime. Oops."
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Yeah, I mean there's nothing wrong with believing someone who claims to be victim.
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I can only assume the impatience of the radical left for real acts of racism by the right leads them to create theatric versions to hasten the all important demonization of their fellow citizens.
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sadly this play has been run in Manhattan, its been run in Chicago, and its been run at the highest level of our government. It is time that this ends.
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Kdub, enjoy
https://twitter.com/DavidRutz/status/1097602955082113024
He he. One of the small benefits of liberal politicos being so coddled by a sympathetic media is that when a tough question occasionally does get through, they are utterly unprepared. :lol: Sounds like this was not the CNN reporter who was thrilled to help Kamala try on clothes yesterday.
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I feel like ksudub is getting a pass on the fact that he called a local tv news reporter to bitch about a story. What a wackadoo.
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I feel like ksudub is getting a pass on the fact that he called a local tv news reporter to bitch about a story.
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I’m still digesting that
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I dm'd the guy that wrote that Les Miles story last week to ask where he got the attendance numbers he reported because they were astonishingly low and I wanted to know if he had access to the real numbers.
Turns out he made a mistake and updated the story.
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I feel like ksudub is getting a pass on the fact that he called a local tv news reporter to bitch about a story.
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I’m still digesting that
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Pretty sure he called the police department, too
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I dm'd the guy that wrote that Les Miles story last week to ask where he got the attendance numbers he reported because they were astonishingly low and I wanted to know if he had access to the real numbers.
Turns out he made a mistake and updated the story.
Less weird to me when it’s a sports reporter guy messaging a sports reporter guy.
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it shouldn't be that difficult of an answer for anyone. "I reacted emotionally to what appeared to be a violent hate crime. Oops."
i'm thinking it's more that some staffer wrote the tweet
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I feel like ksudub is getting a pass on the fact that he called a local tv news reporter to bitch about a story.
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I’m still digesting that
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I digested it super fast and now want more.
Can imagine telling your buds or wife you are calling a local newspaper to dress them down?
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I was at KAKE in the early 2000’s and when Wife Swap started, people called bitching that the show was immoral and we were promoting sin.
I feel like ksudub was probably one of those people, or like his mom or something.
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K-S-U-Dubz gonna call that reporter back and ‘pologize?
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47249574
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https://twitter.com/Suntimes/status/1097935786341740544
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This whole thing is super goddamn weird
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K-S-U-Dubz gonna call that reporter back and ‘pologize?
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47249574
That report was February 15th, bud.
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One positive development regardless is that we're almost 5 full pages through a thread that has to do with a black guy and cops and he hasn't been shot yet.
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If I ever worked at KAKE, I would never tell a soul
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What in the world...
https://twitter.com/apcentralregion/status/1098061581651505154?s=21
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meh, that has little to do with what's going on now
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https://twitter.com/AJGuglielmi/status/1098345941541797890
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I think anyone who would give the cops their brother’s name when being arrested is a real douche bag.
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I think anyone who would give the cops their brother’s name when being arrested is a real douche bag.
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No doubt. Use a made up name like a man.
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Indicted!
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Indicted!
Victim-blaming. SMDH.
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The best I can tell, Chicago PD just want to bring Jussie into the station for a big group hug.
Smollett is due in court in Chicago at 1:30 p.m. Thursday. Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said CPD detectives will make contact with Smollett's legal team to "negotiate a reasonable surrender for his arrest."
Smollett is not in custody at this time. Guglielmi told ABC News police are not actively looking for the actor because "this is not a violent crime," but said "the longer this goes, the more we have to do what we have to do."
Guglielmi told ABC News police do not know where Smollett is, and "his attorneys have not shared where he is at this point."
"I know this can be difficult emotionally, and we hope he doesn't do anything terrible. We want to make this as diplomatic as possible. In the end, this is only a class 4 felony. He will get through this and we want to make it as easy as possible for him to do it. But again, it is about accountability," Guglielmi told ABC News. “I guess what I’m trying to get across is, please please pretty please let’s not have race riots over this.”
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Pretty weird take kdub, I have to be honest.
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For anyone wondering, that last bit wasn’t actually a quote, KSU-W is just being a dweeb. He probably thinks that false assault claimer Jussie Smollet deserves the same treatment from the CPD as treasonist Roger Stone got from the FBI.
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ksu-dub, for this thread being exactly in your wheelhouse you've handled it just, you know, not the best.
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Nothing super weird at all about contacting reporters directly, sd. Everybody does it.
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Nothing super weird at all about contacting reporters directly, sd. Everybody does it.
Listen it's not that weird so everyone should just shut up about it -- at least not if someone says that KU's football attendance has averaged <20k over the last 5 years
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Caught some of the police news conference on the way into work. It was kind of shocking how personally upset the superintendent was.
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Caught some of the police news conference on the way into work. It was kind of shocking how personally upset the superintendent was.
I didn't hear it but I'd be pretty pissed off as well if I were him.
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:)
https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1098606559138115588
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Apparently Smollett was unhappy with his salary. Very weird way to ask for a raise. :dunno:
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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1098613533485326338
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holy crap :lol:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1098615818512941057
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rough ridin' :lol:
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I've always carried an irrational dislike for the show because it sounds like it should be a tv version of the film classic, Empire Records, but it's not.
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:)
https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1098606559138115588
Somehow, I think this is the most amazing part of the entire story
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He’s both a terrible human being and terrible at doing crimes.
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Spracne's favorite racist weighs in
https://twitter.com/BlakeDontCrack/status/1098620563638050817?s=19
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He’s both a terrible human being and terrible at doing crimes.
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Which is a lousy combination, because terrible human beings are the most predisposed to doing crimes, i would think. You can be terrible at one or the other, but it's very unlucky to be terrible at both.
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I think he's clearly mentally ill, but calling him a terrible human being sets a pretty low bar for what makes someone a terrible human. JMO
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I think he's clearly mentally ill, but calling him a terrible human being sets a pretty low bar for what makes someone a terrible human. JMO
Nope. This plus the previous awful at crime attempt to frame his brother clearly qualifies him.
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I think he's clearly mentally ill, but calling him a terrible human being sets a pretty low bar for what makes someone a terrible human. JMO
What makes you say he's mentally ill, Dr. Rusty? He came across as pretty coherent in his interviews - though he lied a lot.
To the extent anyone can be a terrible human being (outside of terrorists, murderers, violent/sexual criminals), I think this episode is a pretty good example. I mean, in addition to orchestrating a fake hate crime, he went to the station to ID suspects, and when he got there and saw it was his accomplices, he didn't ID them. Impliedly, if it was two guys with MAGA tattoos, he would've sent them up the river.
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I think he's clearly mentally ill, but calling him a terrible human being sets a pretty low bar for what makes someone a terrible human. JMO
Nope. This plus the previous awful at crime attempt to frame his brother clearly qualifies him.
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Forgot about the blaming his brother thing
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I think he's clearly mentally ill, but calling him a terrible human being sets a pretty low bar for what makes someone a terrible human. JMO
What makes you say he's mentally ill, Dr. Rusty? He came across as pretty coherent in his interviews - though he lied a lot.
To the extent anyone can be a terrible human being (outside of terrorists, murderers, sexual criminals), I think this episode is a pretty good example. I mean, in addition to orchestrating a fake hate crime, he went to the station to ID suspects, and when he got there and saw it was his accomplices, he didn't ID them. Impliedly, if it was two guys with MAGA tattoos, he would've sent them up the river.
You can't be coherent and still be mentally ill?
IMO if all this is true and he thought he would get a higher salary on Empire from this, he's insane
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I think he's clearly mentally ill, but calling him a terrible human being sets a pretty low bar for what makes someone a terrible human. JMO
What makes you say he's mentally ill, Dr. Rusty? He came across as pretty coherent in his interviews - though he lied a lot.
To the extent anyone can be a terrible human being (outside of terrorists, murderers, sexual criminals), I think this episode is a pretty good example. I mean, in addition to orchestrating a fake hate crime, he went to the station to ID suspects, and when he got there and saw it was his accomplices, he didn't ID them. Impliedly, if it was two guys with MAGA tattoos, he would've sent them up the river.
You can't be coherent and still be mentally ill?
IMO if all this is true and he thought he would get a higher salary on Empire from this, he's insane
There's just nothing to suggest to me that he's anything other than a liar, a bad person, and also really stupid.
Maybe he has some mental illness or delusion or something, but doing morally repugnant crap for dumb reasons isn't necessarily evidence of mental illness. I think it's evidence of being a stupid bad person.
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yeah, stupid bad person has my vote
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bad person > bad person = liar >>>>> terrible human being
I just started a semantics argument, sorry
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well, my terrible human being basket includes more than just rapists/murderers/terrorists/racists. maybe I'm too strict a judge. but this guy has found his way into that basket and he's staying there.
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bad person > bad person = liar >>>>> terrible human being
I just started a semantics argument, sorry
Yeah, to be clear, I'm equating "bad person" with "terrible human being" fwiw. Like, I acknowledge that he's not a murderer or anything to that level, but I also acknowledge that he orchestrated a fake hate crime, lied about it several times, and (imo) would have sent innocent people to prison if given the opportunity.
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"mentally ill" is too strong imo but this sort of lying is def a disorder.
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"mentally ill" is too strong imo but this sort of lying is def a disorder.
that disorder has a name and that name is terrible human being
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Is it possible that he’s a true believer in radical wokeness and felt the ends justified the means?
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"mentally ill" is too strong imo but this sort of lying is def a disorder.
that disorder has a name and that name is terrible human being
Also being a liar
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Yeah, that's the end point. I'm not trying to excuse him or anything.
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Seems like it might be a federal crime to perpetrate a fake terror plot using the mail.
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It’s a good thing Jussie isn’t running for president because this country would never elect a habitual liar.
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It’s a good thing Jussie isn’t running for president because this country would never elect a habitual liar.
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Did we just get inverse “But Hilary”’d?!
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I’d cast a ballot for “terrible human being.”
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And if you disagree it’s only cause he was so bad at the fake hate crime thing for better pay that there was zero chance of it working.
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It’s a good thing Jussie isn’t running for president because this country would never elect a habitual liar.
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Did we just get inverse “But Hilary”’d?!
I don't think so. This guy's a piece of crap and I wouldn't vote for him. But other people have no problem voting for pieces of crap.
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
Did you miss when KSUW spent half a day chastising local reporters and coming up with a fake indictment news story?
This event has affected real lives of real people. Even in the gE safe space.
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
Did the hate hoaxes at KSU cause any harm to the school?
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
yeah except for the DUI thing which might have hurt his brother
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
Did the hate hoaxes at KSU cause any harm to the school?
not that I know of but I'm open to evidence
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I just wish I could have been there when they were planning the attack. "So do you guys think the punch in the face, homophobic slurs referencing Empire, racist slurs referencing Empire, shouting MAGA country, rope around neck, and MAGA hats is enough? I think we need one more thing. What about pouring bleach on me?"
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
Did the hate hoaxes at KSU cause any harm to the school?
KSU got trashed on social media FWIW and of course most people didn't walk it back after being proven as hoaxes. I would imagine it caused a small number of prospective students to not enroll at KSU and also made people think "Oh yeah, KSU, that place where hate crimes happen."
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.
This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."
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I don't think faking a hate crime is as bad as committing hate crime
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I don't think faking a hate crime is as bad as committing hate crime
I don't either. There isn't any direct victim.
I'm saying that the indirect effects of a hate crime (terror, distrust, etc.) are present when you fake a hate crime too.
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https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1098639636295872513
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I don't think faking a hate crime is as bad as committing hate crime
I don't either. There isn't any direct victim.
I'm saying that the indirect effects of a hate crime (terror, distrust, etc.) are present when you fake a hate crime too.
Eh I guess. Not a very clean correlation.
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.
This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."
Because reverse racism? Nah.
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My favorite part of this is that he either punched himself in the face or instructed someone else to punch him in the face in order to pull off this caper.
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My favorite part of this is that he either punched himself in the face or instructed someone else to punch him in the face in order to pull off this caper.
Worse. He paid someone $3500 to have someone punch him.
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.
This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."
Because reverse racism? Nah.
I think it would be healthy for MAGA dudes to behave as if they don't want to be accused of a hate crime. So maybe to someone's point, the end justified the means.
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Someone took $3500 of his money. They then punched him in the face. Additionally, they sold him out when questioned about it.
Worst ROI ever?
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.
This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."
Because reverse racism? Nah.
Guys. No. Come on. Think about this for two seconds.
If Jussie Smollet's (or any hate crime hoaxer's) plan goes how he wants it to, then nobody knows the hate crime was fake. Everyone assumes that it was a real hate crime, and that "a modern day lynching" did occur on the streets of Chicago.
Aside from a direct lynching victim, the effects are identical. This isn't complicated.
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.
This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."
Because reverse racism? Nah.
Guys. No. Come on. Think about this for two seconds.
If Jussie Smollet's (or any hate crime hoaxer's) plan goes how he wants it to, then nobody knows it was a fake hate crime. Everyone assumes that it was a real hate crime, and that "a modern day lynching" did occur on the streets of Chicago.
Aside from a direct lynching victim, the effects are identical. This isn't complicated.
Is everyone knowing that something was a hate crime what makes a hate crime a hate crime?
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tbh a "modern day lynching" (which is kind of vague) wouldn't seem that out of place in Chicago, even before this incident :dunno:
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.
This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."
Because reverse racism? Nah.
Guys. No. Come on. Think about this for two seconds.
If Jussie Smollet's (or any hate crime hoaxer's) plan goes how he wants it to, then nobody knows it was a fake hate crime. Everyone assumes that it was a real hate crime, and that "a modern day lynching" did occur on the streets of Chicago.
Aside from a direct lynching victim, the effects are identical. This isn't complicated.
Is everyone knowing that something was a hate crime what makes a hate crime a hate crime?
I've always assumed so. Isn't that the primary reason why we view things like hate crimes and terrorism are especially horrible? The perception of the crime by the general public, especially other members of the victims' class and those possibly inspired to commit similar attacks in the future?
Tell me if you think I'm wrong. I can't think of any other reason for it, but I haven't really spent a ton of time considering it.
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.
This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."
Because reverse racism? Nah.
Guys. No. Come on. Think about this for two seconds.
If Jussie Smollet's (or any hate crime hoaxer's) plan goes how he wants it to, then nobody knows it was a fake hate crime. Everyone assumes that it was a real hate crime, and that "a modern day lynching" did occur on the streets of Chicago.
Aside from a direct lynching victim, the effects are identical. This isn't complicated.
Is everyone knowing that something was a hate crime what makes a hate crime a hate crime?
I've always assumed so. Isn't that the primary reason why we view things like hate crimes and terrorism are especially horrible? The perception of the crime by the general public, especially other members of the victims' class and those possibly inspired to commit similar attacks in the future?
Tell me if you think I'm wrong. I can't think of any other reason for it, but I haven't really spent a ton of time considering it.
Technically, what makes a hate crime a hate crime is the specific intent of the perp.
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https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1098639636295872513
speaking of racist hoaxes I had forgotten about the greatest picture of one of them OAT until someone tweeted it today.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL4wReEX4AAQ5a4.jpg)
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He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.
This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."
Because reverse racism? Nah.
Guys. No. Come on. Think about this for two seconds.
If Jussie Smollet's (or any hate crime hoaxer's) plan goes how he wants it to, then nobody knows it was a fake hate crime. Everyone assumes that it was a real hate crime, and that "a modern day lynching" did occur on the streets of Chicago.
Aside from a direct lynching victim, the effects are identical. This isn't complicated.
Is everyone knowing that something was a hate crime what makes a hate crime a hate crime?
I've always assumed so. Isn't that the primary reason why we view things like hate crimes and terrorism are especially horrible? The perception of the crime by the general public, especially other members of the victims' class and those possibly inspired to commit similar attacks in the future?
Tell me if you think I'm wrong.
I don't know anything about anything. I assume crimes are disincentives that come in varying degrees depending on the corresponding behaviors and that's about all.
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I really didn't think my point was that complicated but I'll let it go.
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lol BLACKS RULE
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lol BLACKS RULE
then I'll spray paint something on my own driveway that the blacks would say. like how they're always saying Blacks Rule! it's perfect.
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whites drool
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would make for an elite rap album cover for him if he ever decided to go that route
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this story is literally everywhere
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it shouldn't be that difficult of an answer for anyone. "I reacted emotionally to what appeared to be a violent hate crime. Oops."
Seriously. You're human. It happens.
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The worst part of this is the amount of money he paid those guys. 3,500 for this crap? I mean c'mon.
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You get what you pay for.
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https://twitter.com/wonderousATX/status/1098811063531982848
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Oh, man. irl lol.
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lmao
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https://www.theonion.com/chicago-police-credit-their-extensive-experience-falsif-1832825796
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America loves a comeback story, his career is not over.
Considering the vast majority of Americans had no idea who this guy was before this incident, I don't see him ever shedding this scarlet letter. This is particularly disappointing because it simultaneously stokes racial animosity while making it harder for real victims to be believed. You really think he can survive this?
LOL.
Your first sentence is a real two America's perspective. To millions of Americans Smollet is just as recognizable as Will Arnett and Jason Sudekis (I literally had to look these dudes names up, recognize their faces, forgot their names).
Your second sentence should be put on a poster for white fragility. White people have been blaming black men for crimes they didn't commit literally every day since emancipation. We wanna take bets on how many of my people are locked up because some white person wanted to pin a crime on them that they didn't commit, how many lynched, executed by the government? When any of that happens do white people feel the need to blame them for stoking black distrust in the white power structure? GMAFB on "stoking racial animosity," anyone who uses this or any other false accusation didn't need this to fuel the animus. Black people are 12% of the population, it should be clear to all that we hold no keys in controlling what white people think about race relations.
I know you don't condone his actions, if indeed the allegations of a hoax are proven to be true. But thanks for reminding me we have an ugly history of prejudice in this country, and in too many cases unrelated to this instance, that pattern continues today. If you want to make this about that, then I'm outtie. If unrelated to this case, you want to point out other instances of black people being unfairly victimized by the justice system, then I'll gladly stand beside you and voice my strong disapproval. Have a great day.
What I want is for people to stop making this about anything but one dude and an elaborate lie. I don't want white people using these highly publicized hoaxes as a crutch for improved race relations. The boy who cried wolf talking point is 100% unacceptable, I'll hear it from the dax's, ksuw's, and the 27's of this world, but well meaning liberals and moderates should be metaphorically smacked every time they do it.
That's fair.
But if we shouldn't give this episode any significance broader than the individual actors in this case, would that have been the case if Smollet was actually attacked by MAGA guys?
In other words, let's say that two guys did attack Smollet and shout "this is MAGA country" and the events unfolded like Smollet actually reported. Would you give credence to a trump supporter who said "wait a second, these highly publicized instances of violence shouldn't be given any significance beyond the individuals involved. They aren't evidence of my intentions, the intentions of the president, or the intentions of those that support the president."
I could go either way on it, but I think we should probably be consistent. Either we attach broader significance to these actions, or we limit the significance to the actors involved.
I dipped out on this thread because I felt like I was getting a little too emotional about it and it's not going to change anyone's mind, so why bother with the energy? I'll certainly not going to look over the 6 pages I missed but I do want to address this. Three things.
1. I would address an incident, a trump supporter attacking a minority in the name of MAGA as just that, a trump supporter attacking someone, why wouldn't I? It's odd that you not only assigned my intentions, but did so in the worst light, as if I'm not capable of spotting hypocrisy. More importantly, I don't understand the ramifications of thinking that most/all MAGAts are violent thugs waiting to attack someone because...
2. TRUMP SUPPORTERS ATTACK PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF MAGA ALL OF THE rough ridin' TIME, LIKE IT HAPPENS TONS, WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY MORE THAN ANY FALSELY REPORTED MAGA ATTACK. Forgive me for yelling, but my God, how short is your/our memory? It happens so often and without ramifications that we don't even blink anymore.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889
Do you think that's all of it? This doesn't include a trump supporter attacking a bbc photographer in El Paso last month. This doesn't count any of the videos we've seen of trump supporters beating up protesters at rallies then he comes on stage to not only ignore the violence but to praise the aggressors, encouraging more. You cannot claim lasting damage to trump and/or his supporters when they have gotten none when they've committed these acts, it's business as normal and white fragility has caused this to covered and reconstructed far more that a proud boy mowing down a black lives matter supporter for the world to see.
In other words, if one were to not legitimize the trump supporter in your example, they could simply point to a well established pattern of behavior, not discouraged by trump himself, where there's no pattern of behavior of trump supporters being unfairly blamed for doing stuff like this. One could reasonably conclude that trump supporters are far more dangerous to society than any potential worry they could face from being unfairly painted as lawless thugs.
3. I don't remember my third, I'm probably going to leave this thread again.
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But a white, military guy was going to kill the media? Samesies.
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https://twitter.com/mydickneedscpr/status/1099348540726362114?s=21
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEpZzvSzYfI[/youtube]
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lol
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That's fair.
But if we shouldn't give this episode any significance broader than the individual actors in this case, would that have been the case if Smollet was actually attacked by MAGA guys?
In other words, let's say that two guys did attack Smollet and shout "this is MAGA country" and the events unfolded like Smollet actually reported. Would you give credence to a trump supporter who said "wait a second, these highly publicized instances of violence shouldn't be given any significance beyond the individuals involved. They aren't evidence of my intentions, the intentions of the president, or the intentions of those that support the president."
I could go either way on it, but I think we should probably be consistent. Either we attach broader significance to these actions, or we limit the significance to the actors involved.
I dipped out on this thread because I felt like I was getting a little too emotional about it and it's not going to change anyone's mind, so why bother with the energy? I'll certainly not going to look over the 6 pages I missed but I do want to address this. Three things.
1. I would address an incident, a trump supporter attacking a minority in the name of MAGA as just that, a trump supporter attacking someone, why wouldn't I? It's odd that you not only assigned my intentions, but did so in the worst light, as if I'm not capable of spotting hypocrisy. More importantly, I don't understand the ramifications of thinking that most/all MAGAts are violent thugs waiting to attack someone because...
2. TRUMP SUPPORTERS ATTACK PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF MAGA ALL OF THE rough ridin' TIME, LIKE IT HAPPENS TONS, WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY MORE THAN ANY FALSELY REPORTED MAGA ATTACK. Forgive me for yelling, but my God, how short is your/our memory? It happens so often and without ramifications that we don't even blink anymore.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889
Do you think that's all of it? This doesn't include a trump supporter attacking a bbc photographer in El Paso last month. This doesn't count any of the videos we've seen of trump supporters beating up protesters at rallies then he comes on stage to not only ignore the violence but to praise the aggressors, encouraging more. You cannot claim lasting damage to trump and/or his supporters when they have gotten none when they've committed these acts, it's business as normal and white fragility has caused this to covered and reconstructed far more that a proud boy mowing down a black lives matter supporter for the world to see.
In other words, if one were to not legitimize the trump supporter in your example, they could simply point to a well established pattern of behavior, not discouraged by trump himself, where there's no pattern of behavior of trump supporters being unfairly blamed for doing stuff like this. One could reasonably conclude that trump supporters are far more dangerous to society than any potential worry they could face from being unfairly painted as lawless thugs.
3. I don't remember my third, I'm probably going to leave this thread again.
It was a genuine question. Your first point answered it. In a lot of these conversations, some people either ignore or defend double standards. And I think discussing the existence/defense of them is interesting. Clearly, given your first point, it appears you and I would tend to fall on the same side of that discussion.
As to your second point, from what I can make of it at least, I think we mostly agree there too? Though I will say that the ramifications of assigning blame for actions committed by individuals to entire groups (white, black, or otherwise) is that I think it's unhealthy for society. I also think it may be unfair to the other members of the group who haven't committed those actions and may not condone them. That said, I think this is interesting -- I'm still personally wrestling with this...which is why I like talking about it with smart people who may challenge me on it.
I also disagree with you that trump supporters don't face ramifications for other actions committed by members of their groups. There is a clear and obvious perception that Trump supporters (broadly speaking) are racist, in part, because of the racial violence committed in the name of Trump. People don't like to be perceived as racist. Diminish that if you like, but I do consider that a ramification.
Regardless, my only point in the post you quoted was trying to agree on some ground rules in how broadly we assign significance to individual, politicized bad actions.
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEpZzvSzYfI[/youtube]
Holy crap :lol:
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16 felony charges. He’ll do actual time for this
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He’s going to have so much street cred after he gets out. Like Mark Wahlberg and Robert Downey Jr.
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Over/under is set at 47 months.
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This is an excellent case to make an example of someone on imo.
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Jacob Wohl just Jussied himself.
https://mobile.twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1105688835336388608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1105688835336388608&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231105688835336388608
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16 felony charges are an outrage. The next time DNA clears some dude who has served 25 years on death row are they going to find the cracker who took the stand with obvious bullshit eyewitness testimony and put them in jail? That crap is 1000x more harmful to individuals and society and they haven't locked any of those people up.
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Agreed. Lock that person up for a long time.
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16 felony charges are an outrage. The next time DNA clears some dude who has served 25 years on death row are they going to find the cracker who took the stand with obvious bullshit eyewitness testimony and put them in jail? That crap is 1000x more harmful to individuals and society and they haven't locked any of those people up.
I would support this.
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I also think that would be fair.
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16 felony charges are an outrage. The next time DNA clears some dude who has served 25 years on death row are they going to find the cracker who took the stand with obvious bullshit eyewitness testimony and put them in jail? That crap is 1000x more harmful to individuals and society and they haven't locked any of those people up.
This is one of the first that comes to mind, I'm sure MIR is aware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football))
There was a very similar case more recently in Georgia.
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that lady should do at least a decade in prison.
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that lady should do at least a decade in prison.
Probably double whatever he did
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I'd give her life. Sounds like a terrible person. Shouldn't be free.
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16 felony charges are an outrage. The next time DNA clears some dude who has served 25 years on death row are they going to find the cracker who took the stand with obvious bullshit eyewitness testimony and put them in jail? That crap is 1000x more harmful to individuals and society and they haven't locked any of those people up.
Lock them all up imo.
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Man, you people really like to imprison people
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I think we should just put false accusers on some sort of list, similar to the sex offenders list, where they are legally required to notify all of their neighbors/employers about their past accusations whenever they move, change jobs, etc. Imprisonment doesn't really serve any sort of purpose for them, imo.
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16 felony charges is insane. The stacking of felonies is one of the worst parts of our justice system. Give him 1 month jail, a big fine, and let's move on.
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16 felony charges is insane. The stacking of felonies is one of the worst parts of our justice system. Give him 1 month jail, a big fine, and let's move on.
No time in jail. Just put him in the database and make him tell all of his neighbors this dumbass story from now until the end of time.
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I would like an app where individuals are reviewed so that people or businesses that encounter them can know what they are dealing with quickly and efficiently
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They already have that and it's called your Uber rating (4.94)
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the reason hate crimes are punished more harshly than other crimes is the societal strife they cause. for the same reason, i don't mind punishing fake hate crimes relatively harshly.
additionally, there is an argument that punishing celebrities harshly is a particularly effective deterrent, since those are the cases people pay attention to.
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I think we should just put false accusers on some sort of list, similar to the sex offenders list, where they are legally required to notify all of their neighbors/employers about their past accusations whenever they move, change jobs, etc. Imprisonment doesn't really serve any sort of purpose for them, imo.
Ok, I like this idea more. Jail/Prison is an overused punishment that usually does more harm than good to society.
Maybe make it like a 10 year deal instead of life though. I’m still a believer in rehabilitation.
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Man, you people really like to imprison people
I like to imprison the right people. We should've hanged a few hundred people on Wall St. after 2007.
16 felony charges is insane. The stacking of felonies is one of the worst parts of our justice system. Give him 1 month jail, a big fine, and let's move on.
No time in jail. Just put him in the database and make him tell all of his neighbors this dumbass story from now until the end of time.
I had a long post typed up about a social credit system like China has but only about 1/3 of posts from my work computer go through.
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Man, you people really like to imprison people
I like to imprison the right people. We should've hanged a few hundred people on Wall St. after 2007.
Def agree
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16 felony charges are an outrage. The next time DNA clears some dude who has served 25 years on death row are they going to find the cracker who took the stand with obvious bullshit eyewitness testimony and put them in jail? That crap is 1000x more harmful to individuals and society and they haven't locked any of those people up.
This is one of the first that comes to mind, I'm sure MIR is aware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football))
There was a very similar case more recently in Georgia.
don't know much about that case but it seems way worse than Jussie since there was a specific victim
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Absolutely way worse
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the reason hate crimes are punished more harshly than other crimes is the societal strife they cause. for the same reason, i don't mind punishing fake hate crimes relatively harshly.
additionally, there is an argument that punishing celebrities harshly is a particularly effective deterrent, since those are the cases people pay attention to.
Others punishment isn't a deterrent to bad behavior, at all.
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the reason hate crimes are punished more harshly than other crimes is the societal strife they cause. for the same reason, i don't mind punishing fake hate crimes relatively harshly.
additionally, there is an argument that punishing celebrities harshly is a particularly effective deterrent, since those are the cases people pay attention to.
Others punishment isn't a deterrent to bad behavior, at all.
Is there a study or something to back this up you have? Public deterrence is a pretty well-established punishment rationale in the CJ system.
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The death penalty is probably a good example. I seem to recall that it really hasn’t done much to curb the rate of capital offenses in states where it is available.
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the reason hate crimes are punished more harshly than other crimes is the societal strife they cause. for the same reason, i don't mind punishing fake hate crimes relatively harshly.
additionally, there is an argument that punishing celebrities harshly is a particularly effective deterrent, since those are the cases people pay attention to.
Others punishment isn't a deterrent to bad behavior, at all.
Is there a study or something to back this up you have? Public deterrence is a pretty well-established punishment rationale in the CJ system.
Uh no, I thought what I said was common sense. Is there a large populace of people out there committing jailable crimes that don't know that punishment is possible if they get caught? Isn't committing a crime essentially a study in opportunity cost? When you choose to commit a crime you feel like either you're not going to get caught, or doing whatever you're not supposed to be doing is worth the penalty when you do get caught. Is there some other option I'm unaware of?
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the reason hate crimes are punished more harshly than other crimes is the societal strife they cause. for the same reason, i don't mind punishing fake hate crimes relatively harshly.
additionally, there is an argument that punishing celebrities harshly is a particularly effective deterrent, since those are the cases people pay attention to.
Others punishment isn't a deterrent to bad behavior, at all.
Is there a study or something to back this up you have? Public deterrence is a pretty well-established punishment rationale in the CJ system.
Uh no, I thought what I said was common sense. Is there a large populace of people out there committing jailable crimes that don't know that punishment is possible if they get caught? Isn't committing a crime essentially a study in opportunity cost? When you choose to commit a crime you feel like either you're not going to get caught, or doing whatever you're not supposed to be doing is worth the penalty when you do get caught. Is there some other option I'm unaware of?
I think that's the wrong question. A better question imo is "Would there be a larger populace of people out there committing crimes if they knew they'd get no jail time (or only little jail time) for the crimes?" I think the answer to that question is "Probably."
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I think MIR’s point is that how the system treats any one particular person is not going to affect decisions made by others. People are generally aware there are consequences for committing crimes even if they haven’t studied the sentencing guidelines. The fear of punishment in general is the main deterrent.
It undercuts the rationale of “making an example” of high profile criminals.
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I think MIR’s point is that how the system treats any one particular person is not going to affect decisions made by others. People are generally aware there are consequences for committing crimes even if they haven’t studied the sentencing guidelines. The fear of punishment in general is the main deterrent.
It undercuts the rationale of “making an example” of high profile criminals.
I agree with that. But I think there's a difference in the relative deterrent value of the punishment (is the punishment a small fine? a large fine? a month in jail? a year in jail?). That said, I think there's an extreme diminishing return. I think the relative deterrent value between 3 years in jail (for example) and 60 years in jail is probably less than the relative deterrent value between 6 months in jail and 5 years in jail.
BTW, I'm pulling this out of my ass and only speaking about my own imo. FWIW, I don't think it's a good policy to "make an example" out of anyone beyond what's normally associated with the normal public deterrence rationale.
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1110563232052322304
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a lot of you people look like fools now. FOOLS!
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Hell of a blow to white fragility and damn near all of you who wanted to put this dude in jail.
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so his lawyer, Geragos, was named as a co-conspirator with stormy's lawyer yesterday. This is a weird coincidence
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Maga is going to lose it's crap :sdeek:
What an interesting turn
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He should have done at least 30 days in jail and paid restitution for the hoax. I guess "community service" instead. Maybe the hit to his career will be punishment enough.
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Maga is going to lose it's crap :sdeek:
What an interesting turn
They are going to flip
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Totally exonerated
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Time to start prosecuting the people that accused him of committing a crime.
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Just when you think story couldn’t get any stranger.
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Maga is going to lose it's crap :sdeek:
What an interesting turn
Nah, we're not going to do that, single out MAGA. "This is just as bad as actual racism" guy is much much worse than MAGA. Also the Chicago PD, with it's black chief, has a very real race issue they need to deal with. MAGA are literally the least worrisome people in this equation.
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State's Attorney Kim Foxx's office says, "After reviewing all of the facts and circumstances of the case, including Mr. Smollett's volunteer service in the community and agreement to forfeit his bond to the City of Chicago, we believe this outcome is a just disposition and appropriate resolution to this case."
The statement is consistent with what our sources said about Jussie only getting community service if he'd been convicted. The decision is NOT sitting well with Chicago PD.
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Has anyone given a reason as to why the charges were dropped? If it's lack of evidence (which seems pretty unlikely) I get it. If it's anything else, I don't.
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WITCH HUNT!!!
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Can't wait to see what the Nigerians role in this will turn out to be. In black communities Nigerians have a real bad rep as scammers, this won't help, especially if it turns out that white people paid those dudes off.
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So weird.
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this is all very very weird
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State's Attorney Kim Foxx's office says, "After reviewing all of the facts and circumstances of the case, including Mr. Smollett's volunteer service in the community and agreement to forfeit his bond to the City of Chicago, we believe this outcome is a just disposition and appropriate resolution to this case."
The statement is consistent with what our sources said about Jussie only getting community service if he'd been convicted. The decision is NOT sitting well with Chicago PD.
:lol: that doesn't make any sense at all and no one will buy it. Illinois people does J. B. Pritzker seem like the type of guy who would allow his AG just to drop the charges because the dude does community service already?
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https://twitter.com/RaferWeigel/status/1110567463949877249
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so is this like a Donald Trump exoneration or like a real one?
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Sounds like an unofficial plea deal
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lol, twitter is awesome, white people are rough ridin' hot. This is 2019 OJ.
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https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1110568750061883393
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before today, this was one of the more fascinating stories i'd ever seen. NOW....
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No Hoax, No Conspiracy, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP CHICAGO GREAT!
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i for one am pretty glad to see that the justice system is starting to treat all famous/rich people the same whether they are gay/black or not
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Probably healthy for whites to be on the other end of a perceived injustice.
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lol, twitter is awesome, white people are rough ridin' hot. This is 2019 OJ.
TexAgs is on fire. This aggression towards the white race will not stand, man
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Doesn't this conflict with, we're going to just let him go because he did community service?
https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1110573246154366977
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Doesn't this conflict with, we're going to just let him go because he did community service?
https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1110573246154366977
It does. That quote is in the statement released by his attorney. Kind of confusing who they were attributing that quote to in the tweet.
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So, punishment aside, he did or did not do it? What in the world.
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1110576245551611904
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Doesn't this conflict with, we're going to just let him go because he did community service?
https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1110573246154366977
It does. That quote is in the statement released by his attorney. Kind of confusing who they were attributing that quote to in the tweet.
Yeah, you're right that is confusing. Even if it did come from his attorney, is the AG did a deal wouldn't they put something in place to prevent Jussie from publicly dunking on the Chicago PD and frankly the Cook County DA?
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Doesn't this conflict with, we're going to just let him go because he did community service?
https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1110573246154366977
It does. That quote is in the statement released by his attorney. Kind of confusing who they were attributing that quote to in the tweet.
Yeah, you're right that is confusing. Even if it did come from his attorney, is the AG did a deal wouldn't they put something in place to prevent Jussie from publicly dunking on the Chicago PD and frankly the Cook County DA?
I really don't know. That's normally how it would go in the civil context, but in the criminal context it may be different -- that may touch on First Amendment stuff, but I've never really heard of that in this context.
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So are they going to prosecute the Nigerians now?
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So are they going to prosecute the Nigerians now?
If I understand the order of things now Jessie calls for the prosecution of the people who prosecuted him.
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So are they going to prosecute the Nigerians now?
i mean there were receipts
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SD is correct. Time to clean house in the Chicago PD.
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So are they going to prosecute the Nigerians now?
If I understand the order of things now Jessie calls for the prosecution of the people who prosecuted him.
If you come at the king you better not miss
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https://twitter.com/juliebosman/status/1110591523794632704
Police superintendent is going nuts in his press conference right now
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makes no sense. "he still faked it and two weeks ago we wanted to charge him with 15 felonies but in that time we've determined lol nvm."
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still makes no sense. he still faked it and two weeks ago we wanted to charge him with 15 felonies but in that time we've determined lol nvm.
sounds like the state's attorneys' office had a pretty unilateral change of heart. really strange.
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Police could've made procedural mistakes that they could get chewed up on.
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https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1110600807601328128
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https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1110599049982418945
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They shouldn't have dropped the charges without a plea deal. Community service as punishment would have been fine, but to just drop all charges is a bit ridiculous.
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Rahm is v mad
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Rahm is v mad
well he and the rest of the libtards need to just suck it up
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https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1110600807601328128
Well that’s just stupid. But kind of exactly what a cop or prosecutor would say. If I’m Jussie or his lawyer I take this deal in a heartbeat.
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What classification of privilege needs to be invoked here?
Asking for input from the resident privilege experts.
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https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1110599049982418945
pretty rich saying that with a bunch of cops
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What classification of privilege needs to be invoked here?
Asking for input from the resident privilege experts.
upper class/famous. though I don't think this guy was really rich yet.
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How does 16 felony charges equate to community service?
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Wasn't he bitching about his pay before he planned this little ploy?
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https://twitter.com/juliebosman/status/1110591523794632704
Police superintendent is going nuts in his press conference right now
They shouldn't have dropped the charges without a plea deal. Community service as punishment would have been fine, but to just drop all charges is a bit ridiculous.
They overcorrected a miscarriage of justice, this is closer to what it should have been.
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https://twitter.com/juliebosman/status/1110591523794632704
Police superintendent is going nuts in his press conference right now
They shouldn't have dropped the charges without a plea deal. Community service as punishment would have been fine, but to just drop all charges is a bit ridiculous.
They overcorrected a miscarriage of justice, this is closer to what it should have been.
Sure, but in exchange for admission of guilt.
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https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1110599049982418945
pretty rich saying that with a bunch of cops
Tone deaf hypocrites. These are the same people responsible for Laquan McDonald. Jason Van Dyke and the three pigs who covered up Van Dyke committing murder had less felony charges than Jussie did for allegedly paying some Nigerians to kick his ass.
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https://twitter.com/juliebosman/status/1110591523794632704
Police superintendent is going nuts in his press conference right now
They shouldn't have dropped the charges without a plea deal. Community service as punishment would have been fine, but to just drop all charges is a bit ridiculous.
They overcorrected a miscarriage of justice, this is closer to what it should have been.
Sure, but in exchange for admission of guilt.
There has to be something that we don't know about the investigation. I can't think of another reason why the AG is hanging Chicago out to dry. Maybe the AG is using this as a perfect and high profile opportunity to make an example out of them so they can clean their house up.
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Geragos must have had some GOOD crap on the PD
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Seems like folks that can immediately discern cases of privilege are struggling to identify rich/well-connected privilege in this case.
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Rahm- This is a bad look having a Trump hater stage a hate crime, have whoever eff up the case on purpose and drop charges
DA- well that's gonna make us look incompetent
Rahm- I'll act like i'm real pissed about it, i'm almost out of here anyway and I'll make sure you are taken care of. But we are not having this trial.
DA- Ok I'll get it done.
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Rahm- This is a bad look having a Trump hater stage a hate crime, have whoever eff up the case on purpose and drop charges
DA- well that's gonna make us look incompetent
Rahm- I'll act like i'm real pissed about it, i'm almost out of here anyway and I'll make sure you are taken care of. But we are not having this trial.
DA- Ok I'll get it done.
Note to self: If you're connected enough in Chicago, you'll get community service on 16 felony counts.
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What classification of privilege needs to be invoked here?
Asking for input from the resident privilege experts.
:surprised:
https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1110640543216922626 (https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1110640543216922626)
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Rahm- This is a bad look having a Trump hater stage a hate crime, have whoever eff up the case on purpose and drop charges
DA- well that's gonna make us look incompetent
Rahm- I'll act like i'm real pissed about it, i'm almost out of here anyway and I'll make sure you are taken care of. But we are not having this trial.
DA- Ok I'll get it done.
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i for one am pretty glad to see that the justice system is starting to treat all famous/rich people the same whether they are gay/black or not
Isn't this obvious. The real division in this country has always been between wealthy and poor(working/non working man). Just open your eyes and see who is taken care of with the way politicians are elected and laws written. :th_twocents:
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Why is he doing community service and forfeiting his bond if the charges were dropped?
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This is very weird.
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The AG office said he's guilty and dropped all the charges. The grand jury only looked at about 5% of the evidence and said they should indict.
Amazing
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Total EXONERATION!
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There had to be something bungled in the investigation or something that they're trying to hide, right?
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There had to be something bungled in the investigation or something that they're trying to hide, right?
Geragos having dirt like LSOC said is my guess
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Probably been mentioned but the leading prosecutor had to recuse herself after it was found out she was emailing and texting with a family member of Jussie about the case.
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Kim Foxx’s favorite thing to do is let dangerous criminals out of jail, I guess this applies to not dangerous ones too.
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I would like to hear 'sotacat's opinion on this ordeal
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I would like to hear 'sotacat's opinion on this ordeal
Anything related the the Peoples Republic of Illinois I tend to stay clear of. It just never ends well, I’ll defer to Make it Rain he should have a good handle on this? Or better yet the minimalism of Trim may be more appropriate on this conundrum? :buh-bye:
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Kim Foxx’s favorite thing to do is let dangerous criminals out of jail, I guess this applies to not dangerous ones too.
I don’t pretend to understand Chicago or Illinois politics but as an outsider she seems pretty awful.
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Kim Foxx’s favorite thing to do is let dangerous criminals out of jail, I guess this applies to not dangerous ones too.
I don’t pretend to understand Chicago or Illinois politics but as an outsider she seems pretty awful.
I really don’t either, but yes. In fairness she is hamstrung by budget and prison overcrowding. It seems like once a week there is another news story on someone who got probation for a violent crime committing another violent crime.
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He was tried in real time in the court of public opinion. The cops leaked all the evidence as they found it. You had investigators making conclusory remarks in public about guilt before and after he was indicted. Certainly would have been difficult to get a fair trial. And then there's always the lovely possibility of jury nullification.
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crap, i got more than 16 hours of community service for my first public intoxication
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crap, i got more than 16 hours of community service for my first public intoxication
tough break, dal9
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“For my first”
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“For my first”
:cheers:
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He was tried in real time in the court of public opinion. The cops leaked all the evidence as they found it. You had investigators making conclusory remarks in public about guilt before and after he was indicted. Certainly would have been difficult to get a fair trial. And then there's always the lovely possibility of jury nullification.
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Prosecutor: but what if the jury decides to find him not guilty even if he’s guilty? Can’t risk it. Let’s just let him go.
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So apparently the CPD released the entire case file today... :Wha:
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1110992403618508804
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Kim Foxx’s favorite thing to do is let dangerous criminals out of jail, I guess this applies to not dangerous ones too.
I don’t pretend to understand Chicago or Illinois politics but as an outsider she seems pretty awful.
I really don’t either, but yes. In fairness she is hamstrung by budget and prison overcrowding. It seems like once a week there is another news story on someone who got probation for a violent crime committing another violent crime.
Which makes it patently ridiculous that people legitimately wanted this guy in jail. Even self professed woke liberals love locking people up on some unnecessary bullshit.
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So apparently the CPD released the entire case file today... :Wha:
They just released the police report after a FOI request. They tried to release the entire file but it was sealed by a judge.
Again people are outraged by this crap but won't bat an eye that the CPD wanted to spill all the beans simply to ruin this B list celebrity but they tried everything they could to hide the LaQuan McDonald shooting and other shootings done by their storm troopers.
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So apparently the CPD released the entire case file today... :Wha:
They just released the police report after a FOI request. They tried to release the entire file but it was sealed by a judge.
Again people are outraged by this crap but won't bat an eye that the CPD wanted to spill all the beans simply to ruin this B list celebrity but they tried everything they could to hide the LaQuan McDonald shooting and other shootings done by their storm troopers.
I think the full 61 pages made it online before it was sealed.
People were rough ridin' outraged here about McDonald, I don’t really know what the national reaction was. Other than Dick Wolf fans, it’s not like there is a big group here that that thinks the CPD is doing great overall.
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I wonder what happened to that old man who wrote "blacks rule" on his own driveway
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I wonder what happened to that old man who wrote "blacks rule" on his own driveway
A good punishment would be having to write Blacks Rule! on other things. Also he’s almost certainly dead.
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I wonder what happened to that old man who wrote "blacks rule" on his own driveway
A good punishment would be having to write Blacks Rule! on other things. Also he’s almost certainly dead.
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He died in 2017. By the way two kids were arrested for that. Did Jussie's accusation get any white folks arrested?
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If that’s true, the cops who arrested those kids should no longer have jobs...of any kind...ever again.
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I wonder what happened to that old man who wrote "blacks rule" on his own driveway
A good punishment would be having to write Blacks Rule! on other things. Also he’s almost certainly dead.
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He died in 2017. By the way two kids were arrested for that. Did Jussie's accusation get any white folks arrested?
It arrested all of us for over a month!
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If that’s true, the cops who arrested those kids should no longer have jobs...of any kind...ever again.
http://www.wlox.com/story/29698542/two-teens-arrested-for-flag-burning-vandalism-at-pascagoula-vets-home/
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That is insane. I always thought people just saw that guy’s driveway and were like lol k.
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Not sure what Gran Turino dead guy has to do with whether Jussie filed a false police report, but I, for one, will continue to laugh at Mr. Smollett for being such a juvenile, shitty-prank, liar face (allegedly). He deserves all the ridicule he gets (allegedly). I don't feel that hard time is appropriate, but I do think he should own up to his own (alleged) dumbassery.
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Not sure what Gran Turino dead guy has to do with whether Jussie filed a false police report, but I, for one, will continue to laugh at Mr. Smollett for being such a juvenile, shitty-prank, liar face (allegedly). He deserves all the ridicule he gets (allegedly). I don't feel that hard time is appropriate, but I do think he should own up to his own (alleged) dumbassery.
Agree with all of this, what he did was horrifically dumb. Was the death threat letter he sent you himself discussed here? I mean lol at this crap.
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In his defense, the handwriting and drawing are spot on MAGA. Indistinguishable from the real thing.
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Not sure what Gran Turino dead guy has to do with whether Jussie filed a false police report, but I, for one, will continue to laugh at Mr. Smollett for being such a juvenile, shitty-prank, liar face (allegedly). He deserves all the ridicule he gets (allegedly). I don't feel that hard time is appropriate, but I do think he should own up to his own (alleged) dumbassery.
Agree with all of this, what he did was horrifically dumb. Was the death threat letter he sent you himself discussed here? I mean lol at this crap.
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It's so cringe
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1111214993293357056
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1111214993293357056
Both sides works for James Fields, not for this though
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If Jussie had done a better job at hoaxing it could have easily turned into a riot. They probably let him go because absolutely nobody believed him when they first heard the ridiculous story, so you couldn't argue it was a dangerous situation, just stupidity.
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Not sure what Gran Turino dead guy has to do with whether Jussie filed a false police report, but I, for one, will continue to laugh at Mr. Smollett for being such a juvenile, shitty-prank, liar face (allegedly). He deserves all the ridicule he gets (allegedly). I don't feel that hard time is appropriate, but I do think he should own up to his own (alleged) dumbassery.
Agree with all of this, what he did was horrifically dumb. Was the death threat letter he sent you himself discussed here? I mean lol at this crap.
(https://i.redd.it/131kgxga8kh21.jpg)
Holy crap
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i would've been cool with blacks rule! guy going to prison fwiw. don't fake hate crimes.
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I think maybe a good punishment is you have to suffer the same legal consequences of everyone affected by the false accusation. Put him in detention as long as each of those kids they arrested.
I think the majority of people actually got enjoyment out of the Smollet and blacks rule guy because they’re both kind of adorable hoaxes.
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If Jussie had done a better job at hoaxing it could have easily turned into a riot.
LOL, some of you actually think that black people are uncontrollable subhumans.
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i would've been cool with blacks rule! guy going to prison fwiw. don't fake hate crimes.
oh for sure. I'm on record as loving to imprison people for this already but just affirming.
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not sure where this goes but I was just told by a family member that Michelle Obama and possibly Barrack but mostly Michelle orchestrated this Smollet ruse.
Is this common knowledge everybody?
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not sure where this goes but I was just told by a family member that Michelle Obama and possibly Barrack but mostly Michelle orchestrated this Smollet ruse.
Is this common knowledge everybody?
@dax?
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not sure where this goes but I was just told by a family member that Michelle Obama and possibly Barrack but mostly Michelle orchestrated this Smollet ruse.
Is this common knowledge everybody?
yeah, I saw that facebook thing circling around Meade, KS. can't remember if I snapped it and posted here.
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they really should get a hobby.
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they really should get a hobby.
Or maybe OBAMA should amiright!
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they really should get a hobby.
Or maybe OBAMA should amiright!
that's who I meant. Him and his meddling wife.
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preposterous.....
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not sure where this goes but I was just told by a family member that Michelle Obama and possibly Barrack but mostly Michelle orchestrated this Smollet ruse.
Is this common knowledge everybody?
I hopped in the car at lunch earlier this week and Rush was flapping gums on my commute station. Michelle O is friends with somebody in the SA office. Allegedly Michelle influenced the deal per El Rushbo.
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That was what was described to me as the funny pic that started the Obama story
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This would make everything in this pathetic saga worth it:
Chicago Tribune -- Column: Kim Foxx will and should lose her job over the Jussie Smollett case (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-perspec-zorn-kim-foxx-jussie-smollett-justice-20190328-story.html)
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https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1111359901526192128
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Best actor in a fiction.
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If Jussie had done a better job at hoaxing it could have easily turned into a riot.
LOL, some of you actually think that black people are uncontrollable subhumans.
:facepalm:
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This would make everything in this pathetic saga worth it:
Chicago Tribune -- Column: Kim Foxx will and should lose her job over the Jussie Smollett case (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-perspec-zorn-kim-foxx-jussie-smollett-justice-20190328-story.html)
Good God.
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This would make everything in this pathetic saga worth it:
Chicago Tribune -- Column: Kim Foxx will and should lose her job over the Jussie Smollett case (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-perspec-zorn-kim-foxx-jussie-smollett-justice-20190328-story.html)
Good God.
I don’t mean that this instance should necessarily be fireable, I don’t know enough to say. I mean that getting Foxx out would be a good thing.
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If Jussie had done a better job at hoaxing it could have easily turned into a riot.
LOL, some of you actually think that black people are uncontrollable subhumans.
:facepalm:
You're the one out here talking about riots, as if someone getting their ass kicked in the name of racial bias is some rough ridin' rare, mind blowing concept. A man murdered a woman publicly and tried to murder others in the name of MAGA, then your president didn't condemn him, if that didn't lead to riots I'm not sure why you think Jussie Smollet getting beat up would. Your people are much closer to rioting than anyone else was in the 72 hours or so when people thought this was an actual thing.There's far more outrage about the false accusation than there was when we thought someone beat this dude up.
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This would make everything in this pathetic saga worth it:
Chicago Tribune -- Column: Kim Foxx will and should lose her job over the Jussie Smollett case (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-perspec-zorn-kim-foxx-jussie-smollett-justice-20190328-story.html)
Good God.
I don’t mean that this instance should necessarily be fireable, I don’t know enough to say. I mean that getting Foxx out would be a good thing.
Yeah, I was referring to the article. It's a whole lot of bullshit. The premise in which it's built is hopelessly flawed. If this wasn't Jussie Smollet, let's say it was Roquan Green, do you really think that he would have gotten 16 felony charges? If this wasn't a celebrity, it was just some dude lying about getting beaten up would it even be on Kim Foxx's radar? Do any of you think he was the first person to get caught lying to the CPD about getting his ass kicked? You think any of them had 16 felonies? This whole thing is a farce, the CPD and whomever charged him with 16 felonies should be mocked. His fine of $10,000 is significantly more than any regular person would have received for this. She handled it appropriately and she should be commended for not succumbing to white rage and the CPD whining like bitches. And this dude thinks she should be prinaried JUST because of this, give me a break.
I've pointed this out and I will again and again. Why isn't this columnist's rage directed at Joseph Walsh, Thomas Gaffney, and David March? Those dudes covered up a murder, as cops, and at least one of them is still on the CPD. He wants her gone because she didn't make an example out off a celebrity but not a rough ridin' peep about murderous cops.
We live in two America's, this is the type of crap that radicalizes people.
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The 16 felony counts was absurd, but prosecutors overcharge all. the. time. Has very little to do with Smollett's race or sexuality or celebrity. To the extent his celebrity contributed to the notoriety of the hoax, then yes, arguably his celebrity indirectly contributed to the overcharging. Whatever - who cares? Overcharging is not an excuse for letting him completely off the hook.
I expected that the prosecutor was going to offer him a guilty plea on one felony count, pay restitution, and apologize, in exchange for a recommendation of minimal jail time and community service. Which would have been very reasonable. This is just absurd and suspect as all hell. It's the Chicago Way.
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not sure where this goes but I was just told by a family member that Michelle Obama and possibly Barrack but mostly Michelle orchestrated this Smollet ruse.
Is this common knowledge everybody?
@dax?
More rent free living.
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https://www.theroot.com/white-woman-admits-to-making-up-story-about-being-attac-1833742433 (https://www.theroot.com/white-woman-admits-to-making-up-story-about-being-attac-1833742433)
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This crap happens everyday
After viewing surveillance footage of the park, police went back to re-interview the woman. She broke down like a ’93 Geo Metro and confessed that she made the whole thing up, according to the Boston Herald. The cops issued her a summons for filing a police report and...
Wait. That can’t be right. I’m sure she was charged with 16 felonies, including first-degree Smolletting! She should have been charged with endangering the life of every black male in the area (In Mississippi it’s a misdemeanor. It’s called “Carolyn’s Law.”) Man, I’m sure the police are gonna protest and charge her for all the city resources they wasted. I bet this lady will be the scourge of her city for a long time. Anytime you hear the name...Hold up, let me check. Her name isn’t included in the Boston Herald article.
There's still people losing their minds about Jussie. Two rough ridin' Americas, man.
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This crap happens everyday
After viewing surveillance footage of the park, police went back to re-interview the woman. She broke down like a ’93 Geo Metro and confessed that she made the whole thing up, according to the Boston Herald. The cops issued her a summons for filing a police report and...
Wait. That can’t be right. I’m sure she was charged with 16 felonies, including first-degree Smolletting! She should have been charged with endangering the life of every black male in the area (In Mississippi it’s a misdemeanor. It’s called “Carolyn’s Law.”) Man, I’m sure the police are gonna protest and charge her for all the city resources they wasted. I bet this lady will be the scourge of her city for a long time. Anytime you hear the name...Hold up, let me check. Her name isn’t included in the Boston Herald article.
There's still people losing their minds about Jussie. Two rough ridin' Americas, man.
Yep. Pretty bad. Though I tend to err on the side of "eff'em all, jail'em all," you were right, this happens fairly often. It's wholly inconsistent to want the book thrown at JS, but not carry the same righteous indignation as to unnamed Quincy, MA lady. Big ups to you for getting me woke on this.
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https://www.theroot.com/white-woman-admits-to-making-up-story-about-being-attac-1833742433 (https://www.theroot.com/white-woman-admits-to-making-up-story-about-being-attac-1833742433)
Yes, this is exactly like Smollet.
Let us know when they find out she paid the "attackers" and set the whole thing up to propagate her career. I'll tune into TMZ to hear her side of the case (goes TMZ.com) nope . . . nothing.
Filing a false police report: Welcome to things that happen 1000's of times a day in the United States.
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https://www.theroot.com/white-woman-admits-to-making-up-story-about-being-attac-1833742433 (https://www.theroot.com/white-woman-admits-to-making-up-story-about-being-attac-1833742433)
Yes, this is exactly like Smollet.
Let us know when they find out she paid the "attackers" and set the whole thing up to propagate her career. I'll tune into TMZ to hear her side of the case (goes TMZ.com) nope . . . nothing.
Filing a false police report: Welcome to things that happen 1000's of times a day in the United States.
None of that stuff is illegal. Thank you for agreeing with me that Smollet's celebrity worked against him.
As far as dlew's "eff'em all, jail'em all," philosophy goes, I don't agree with that either. I only agree with jail time if one of these reports leads to there being a specific person or persons directly affected by a false report or claim. I also think that police officers and prosecutors who use clearly tainted eye witness testimony or flawed evidence should face the same scrutiny. There really is no real deterrent to legal malpractice that leads to malicious prosecution and if you're truly interested in justice that simply cannot be the case. Gotta balance those scales.
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Lol, Smollet obstructed justice when he interfered in a police investigation by his ongoing intentional misleading of investigators. That’s a felony.
Smollet committed mail fraud, that’s a felony.
Smollet faced federal obstruction charges for lying to the FBI. A felony.
Yep, exactly the same as filing a false police report.
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I think it’s fine, he will suffer the penalty of shame and being shunned by his industry and community for a time and then if he decides to not be a crap human being anymore will rehab his image and be good.
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Lol, Smollet obstructed justice when he interfered in a police investigation by his ongoing intentional misleading of investigators. That’s a felony.
Smollet committed mail fraud, that’s a felony.
Smollet faced federal obstruction charges for lying to the FBI. A felony.
Yep, exactly the same as filing a false police report.
I'm going to assume that you limited your reading about this to angry white guy twitter and this thread because he wasn't charged with any of those things. All 16 counts were disorderly conduct-false reporting.
https://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/03/exclusive-grand-jury-returns-16-felony.html?m=1
The only significant differences are that Jussie took the extra step on actually paying someone to kick his ass and the Chicago city attorney was much more aggressive in his/her pursuit of charges. You can make the claim that the woman in Quinzee put young bald black guys in the area in peril. There was never a time that white people in Chicago were in peril because of Jussie's accusation.
I'm sorry to you and, everyone else reading, for actually engaging you as we all know how this will end.
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The only significant differences are that Jussie took the extra step on actually paying someone to kick his ass and the Chicago city attorney was much more aggressive in his/her pursuit of charges. You can make the claim that the woman in Quinzee put young bald black guys in the area in peril. There was never a time that white people in Chicago were in peril because of Jussie's accusation.
There's another significant difference that is the root of the ire of those wanting Jussie imprisoned.
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Lol, Smollet obstructed justice when he interfered in a police investigation by his ongoing intentional misleading of investigators. That’s a felony.
Smollet committed mail fraud, that’s a felony.
Smollet faced federal obstruction charges for lying to the FBI. A felony.
Yep, exactly the same as filing a false police report.
I'm going to assume that you limited your reading about this to angry white guy twitter and this thread because he wasn't charged with any of those things. All 16 counts were disorderly conduct-false reporting.
https://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/03/exclusive-grand-jury-returns-16-felony.html?m=1
The only significant differences are that Jussie took the extra step on actually paying someone to kick his ass and the Chicago city attorney was much more aggressive in his/her pursuit of charges. You can make the claim that the woman in Quinzee put young bald black guys in the area in peril. There was never a time that white people in Chicago were in peril because of Jussie's accusation.
I'm sorry to you and, everyone else reading, for actually engaging you as we all know how this will end.
No I read what former federal prosecutors had to say about it. Thanks
But I appreciate how you are defending someone who lead critical police resources on a wild goose chase and was engaged in perpetrating what turned out to be a fraudulent hate crime. Hate crimes are a federal offense . . . the former prosecutors said it would be a sticky area, but said Smollett could have faced Federal felony charges for faking a hate crime. What also appears to be lost is that both local, state and Federal officials stood ready and quite willing to prosecute any actual perps of a real hate crime to the fullest extent the law would allow. I also appreciate that you now equate police investigations as being wholly benign and not fraught with any potential danger to the officers and or citizens.
You have now made a false police report which was immediately retracted when just a modicum of pressure from authorities equal to a situation where Smollet repeatedly lied and mislead investigators over the course of days to propagate a falsehood and a fraud, and in doing so committed a laundry list of felonies.
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1120708418413576193
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Lol, Smollet obstructed justice when he interfered in a police investigation by his ongoing intentional misleading of investigators. That’s a felony.
Smollet committed mail fraud, that’s a felony.
Smollet faced federal obstruction charges for lying to the FBI. A felony.
Yep, exactly the same as filing a false police report.
actions such as these demand a legal response!!!
unless you are the leader of the free world...
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Did you guys know he was in the Mighty Ducks? :Wha: I’m watching D3 while working from home and I started looking up the casting for some of the mighty ducks movies and bang, right there.
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Yeah I think everyone already knew that, mainly after Googling "who the hell is Jussie Smollett"
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I didn't know that! Kinda surprising he was still on D3. pretty good for a franchise like that!
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He actually didn’t make it on D3, Just the first one, but still. :surprised:
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Yeah I think everyone already knew that, mainly after Googling "who the hell is Jussie Smollett"
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LOL
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and jussie smollet explodes into my awareness
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wacky i did NOT know and appreciate the information
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:thumbs: It's been a wild Tuesday.
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Solid work Wacky!
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yeah I had no clue and also had no clue they made that many stupid mighty duck movies.
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Yeah I think everyone already knew that, mainly after Googling "who the hell is Jussie Smollett"
Shame on you for sitting on that choice morsel of info
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I too appreciate the factoid, but am confused why Wacky would lie about watching D3 at home just to drop it on us.
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:dunno: It was on HBO Family today. Man, the 3rd one is so lol bad.
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Did you guys know he was in the Mighty Ducks? :Wha: I’m watching D3 while working from home and I started looking up the casting for some of the mighty ducks movies and bang, right there.
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I didn't know that and I watch Empire.
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Solid work Wacky!
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Her breasts are hogging the pic.! :excited:
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Her breasts are hogging the pic.! :excited:
Katdaddy no!!!!!
(always wanted to say that)
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lmao
https://twitter.com/jovitamoore/status/1141893207225184256?s=21
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Legit irl lol
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I have no idea what's happening here, but it seems to be bumping around the internet a bit.
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1227361091556171776?s=20
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https://twitter.com/queerty/status/1250528330589147136?s=21
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Was the attacker wearing the MAGA hat at the bathhouse &/or during the sex?
I will need to know before I can determine just how hard to laugh at this...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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guilty of 5 counts of disorderly conduct which sounds like a pud crime but apparently it's a felony of some sort.
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guilty of 5 counts of disorderly conduct which sounds like a pud crime but apparently it's a felony of some sort.
MAGA's are partying
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The whole thing was ridiculous, and it became obvious to everyone what happened once those two brothers came forward. Pretty anticlimactic. I don't really think jailtime is appropriate (I'm very anti-jail/prison regardless, except for violent offenders who truly can't be in society). His career has already been ruined. Seems like an appropriate punishment.
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just a hilarious and fascinating episode. i mean the dude went on stage a few days after saying his doctors had cleared him to perform and how he had "fought the eff back." like holy crap man.
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Apparently he also probably lied on the stand. I agree jail time is pretty ridiculous for this type of offense but max fine + probation seems right.
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He's a dipshit and this was a half cocked plan from the start, there's no way dude should spend a second in jail for that, I'm assuming the DA won't even recommend it.
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chappelle doing "This is MAGA country" in a Nigerian accent is easily one of the 10 funniest things I heard this year
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He killed his own career and will forever be known as an incredible idiot named Juicy. That's almost enough punishment right there. Throw in some probation and fines/restitution and call it good.
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You can never take away Mighty Ducks tho!
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If Jussie is guilty of anything, it’s being a cake eater.
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He definitely needs to serve some jail time if for no other reason than to deter other people from doing this too.
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He should be sentenced to a nation-wide speaking tour where he has to go to at least 1,000 different high schools to tell his story.
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he should be sentenced to make MD4 - Ducks Quack Back
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He definitely needs to serve some jail time if for no other reason than to deter other people from doing this too.
GTFO, who in the eff would replicate this crime? That's an absurd reason to put someone in jail. Smollett isn't a threat to anyone at all and people who are threats to the public are people who should be in jail.
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He definitely needs to serve some jail time if for no other reason than to deter other people from doing this too.
I can't get over this. Is the police scouring video for they old black rules man, a good use of their time? Is this going to be something enforced and punished with equity? Unlike what the snow roach in Central Park did to the bird watcher, this wasn't even a crime against a person. If we're going to put liars in jail, there are a lot more harmful lies out there than what this was.
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Yeah, we have way too many people in jail as it is. We should find a better deterrent to non-violent crime that doesn't cost the state as much and doesn't remove people from society who aren't a physical threat to those around them.
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caning
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He definitely needs to serve some jail time if for no other reason than to deter other people from doing this too.
I can't get over this. Is the police scouring video for they old black rules man, a good use of their time? Is this going to be something enforced and punished with equity? Unlike what the snow roach in Central Park did to the bird watcher, this wasn't even a crime against a person. If we're going to put liars in jail, there are a lot more harmful lies out there than what this was.
the only thing that bothers me is the timeline of everything. Like if he decided to try to mount a vigorous defense for himself and it fell flat, okay, whatever. But he got caught with his entire ass out, the court basically was like "alright look this can all just go away and you have to do like 16 hours of community service and that's that" and he agrees...so then after getting away with quite figuratively the softest slap on the wrist you can get...he decides nah, i actually am a victim here, lets effin go.
like bruh you got caught making crap up, instead of getting dragged they let this slide, you agreed to let it slide...and then you just - what? decided even though i completely made this whole thing up and everybody knows i made the whole thing up i think i'm going to go ahead and double down? That's the part that gets me. like this whole trial didn't even need to happen. it was a done deal, it was settled, and i think for the most part the public had moved on but Jussie couldn't leave it alone.
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Yeah, I think it’s well documented that he is not a great planner
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I think Jussie committed one of the most egregious possible examples of the crime, showed no remorse, and continued to double down on the lies throughout the trial. It seems like his crime warrants one of the harsher punishments for the crime. Whether jail time should be a punishment for this crime is a fair argument. Punishments with fines are mostly just deterrents for poor people. I think a millionaire needs a punishment beyond a fine but I'd be okay with that being a crap ton of community service. He probably also needs some court-ordered therapy too. I think his decisions throughout show a certain detachment from reality which I do think could make him a risk to public safety in some ways, but therapy would be more effective in handling it than prison.
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Prison in general is really a crappy solution to everything other than keeping people out of the general public. I can’t imagine how you could argue that’s necessary or even useful in a case like this.
I really think anyone advocating for incarceration for stuff like this probably hasn’t spent more than 5 minutes trying to understand how our prison system works.
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i'm going to go ahead and double down? That's the part that gets me. like this whole trial didn't even need to happen. it was a done deal, it was settled, and i think for the most part the public had moved on but Jussie couldn't leave it alone.
What was his doubling down here? I'm not that familiar with the story, but couldn't figure that out from the timeline below. It seems like the police and government officials were pretty motivated solely by the fact that charges were dropped.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47317701
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He definitely needs to serve some jail time if for no other reason than to deter other people from doing this too.
I can't get over this. Is the police scouring video for they old black rules man, a good use of their time? Is this going to be something enforced and punished with equity? Unlike what the snow roach in Central Park did to the bird watcher, this wasn't even a crime against a person. If we're going to put liars in jail, there are a lot more harmful lies out there than what this was.
Ok, we'll just let people continue to make up fake crimes.
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The damage done by making up fake crimes is nowhere even remotely close to the damage done by our ridiculous incarceration rate.
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And really, I’d say putting fewer people in prison is probably a much better way to address the hypothetical risk of false police reports.
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The damage done by making up fake crimes is nowhere even remotely close to the damage done by our ridiculous incarceration rate.
I share your thoughts on this subject. People who reflexively scream to lock people up for non-violent crimes have no clue about the inter-generational toll that mass incarceration has on families and communities, particularly minority and poor communities. The fact that we are jailing so many people for years or even decades for being addicts is particularly shameful.
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What types of punishment are we suggesting for non-violent criminals?
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Community service and restorative justice
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i'm going to go ahead and double down? That's the part that gets me. like this whole trial didn't even need to happen. it was a done deal, it was settled, and i think for the most part the public had moved on but Jussie couldn't leave it alone.
What was his doubling down here? I'm not that familiar with the story, but couldn't figure that out from the timeline below. It seems like the police and government officials were pretty motivated solely by the fact that charges were dropped.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47317701
huh. well as i had understood it Jussie had been telling anyone willing to listen that he had done nothing wrong after the initial charges were dropped and he paid his fine and did his community service. Honestly I cannot corroborate whether or not that is true, and I admit I took that information at face value. I guess in my mind it made sense that the City of Chicago wasn't going to be so catty as to keep drumming up fines/charges just b/c they were mad, but rather because he was being a dick about it.
like that one episode of seinfeld where the tennis pro milosh actually really sucked at tennis but he didn't want to be emasculated in front of his wife so he begged jerry to let him win, so jerry agreed and was letting him win but then milosh started talking a lot of trash and calling jerry a baby to the point that jerry got really annoyed and eventually stopped letting milosh win.
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What types of punishment are we suggesting for non-violent criminals?
Jury duty
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I’ve mentioned it before, but the night Jussie staged this it was -25F (real temp, not wind chill). Coldest in decades. Chicago basically closed for two days. No one was out walking around, it was super obvious this didn’t happen as described from day one.
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He definitely needs to serve some jail time if for no other reason than to deter other people from doing this too.
I can't get over this. Is the police scouring video for they old black rules man, a good use of their time? Is this going to be something enforced and punished with equity? Unlike what the snow roach in Central Park did to the bird watcher, this wasn't even a crime against a person. If we're going to put liars in jail, there are a lot more harmful lies out there than what this was.
Ok, we'll just let people continue to make up fake crimes.
He was the only "victim," who cares. The CPD saying they would have dropped the charges if he apologized tells you all you need to know about the severity of this crime.
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He definitely needs to serve some jail time if for no other reason than to deter other people from doing this too.
I can't get over this. Is the police scouring video for they old black rules man, a good use of their time? Is this going to be something enforced and punished with equity? Unlike what the snow roach in Central Park did to the bird watcher, this wasn't even a crime against a person. If we're going to put liars in jail, there are a lot more harmful lies out there than what this was.
Ok, we'll just let people continue to make up fake crimes.
He was the only "victim," who cares. The CPD saying they would have dropped the charges if he apologized tells you all you need to know about the severity of this crime.
those nigerian brothers were victims too, making them go outside on a terribly cold night
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30 months probation
Approx. 145K in fines/restitution
First 150 days of probation in confinement in Cook County Jail (just shy of 5 months)
I watched the lengthy sentencing hearing. It was mostly boring legal stuff, but holy crap the ending was wild. After the sentence was rendered, the judge asked Smollett if he had anything to say. He kept yelling, "I am NOT suicidal. I am NOT suicidal. If anything happens to me in jail, just know that I am NOT suicidal." He also repeated multiple times that he was innocent. The suggestion seemed to be that if any harm befalls him in custody, it's some sort of conspiracy to harm him. Ugh. Pretty ugly scene. After he was being escorted out of the court room and into sheriff's custody, he raised his right fist and again chanted, "I am NOT suicidal. I am innocent. I am NOT suicidal!"
Whoah boy. I am worried about the state of his mental health.
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A lot of people are asking questions that are clearly answered by him shouting “I am NOT suicidal! I am innocent!”
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A lot of people are asking questions that are clearly answered by him shouting “I am NOT suicidal! I am innocent!”
Mind you, no one asked or argued about whether he was suicidal before that point. Completely out of left field.
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When I loudly declare “My penis works fine!” At the doctors, my doc is reassured and doesn’t question why I am doing that.
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A lot of peen talk out of Kat Kid this week
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He must have been paying attention to the Epstein-Maxwell saga.
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Would be some dark irony if he was found to have “hung himself” given his story that got him jailed in the first place
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Whoa, we talking dongs ITT? Alright!
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Jail time is rough ridin' absurd
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This was a victimless crime, yes? I don’t remember. Is so, yes. Pretty extreme
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The judge was pretty peeved that Jussie lied on the stand for hours. I am a person who does not generally support jailtime for non-violent criminals. But, I understand why the judge did it. And then the ridiculous histrionics....
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He paid people to beat his own ass, it was a crime where the offender was the only victim. Chicago has an embarrassing arrest record for all of the gun crime happening there, they have one of the most crooked police forces in the country, but they gave this dude 5 months because he tried to embarrass the cops. Lori Lightfoot sucks, Chicago is a rough ridin' corrupt dumpster that we should give to Canada.
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He paid people to beat his own ass, it was a crime where the offender was the only victim. Chicago has an embarrassing arrest record for all of the gun crime happening there, they have one of the most crooked police forces in the country, but they gave this dude 5 months because he tried to embarrass the cops. Lori Lightfoot sucks, Chicago is a rough ridin' corrupt dumpster that we should give to Canada.
I think it's mostly about the fact that he had a platform and used it to foment racial unrest in the most bitch-ass way possible. More importantly, he deeply embarrassed his connected friends who caped up for him. I don't think jail will "fix" his problems in any way, but I understand why, for the foregoing reasons. He won't have time to complete an appeal before those 150 days are up, either. There is nothing happy about any of this.
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He paid people to beat his own ass, it was a crime where the offender was the only victim. Chicago has an embarrassing arrest record for all of the gun crime happening there, they have one of the most crooked police forces in the country, but they gave this dude 5 months because he tried to embarrass the cops. Lori Lightfoot sucks, Chicago is a rough ridin' corrupt dumpster that we should give to Canada.
I think it's mostly about the fact that he had a platform and used it to foment racial unrest in the most bitch-ass way possible. More importantly, he deeply embarrassed his connected friends who caped up for him. I don't think jail will "fix" his problems in any way, but I understand why, for the foregoing reasons. He won't have time to complete an appeal before those 150 days are up, either. There is nothing happy about any of this.
What he did was triple dumb, I'm just frustrated with how the criminal justice system uses jail. There is no good reason to put this man in jail. There's no threat of him doing this again. The only person truly embarrassed was himself. He lost his career. Locking someone up to send a message is always really rough ridin' dumb but it is particularly in this case, what are they attempting to deter? People will continue to make up crimes, 99% of which will never see the inside of a cell. People will continue to perjure themselves. It's not lost on me that it was a black man who got one of the longest sentences we've ever seen for making up a crime. Is what he did 5 months worse than what Amy Cooper did?
I feel the same way about the Varsity Blues scandal, throwing people in jail for trying to buy their kids way into college is bat crap crazy. What's crazier is the only actual criminal in the whole deal, Rick Singer, isn't going to get a single day in jail because he gave the FBI and the Federal District Court all they needed to bag some celebrities and get some publicity. They arrested some rich people, yay, that totally erases centuries of inequities inflicted on the poor in this country.
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This guy is an absolute dumbass for certain, and cannot be a good person, but he’s going to spend 5 months in the iron bar motel for basically upsetting a lot of people.
I mean, I guess the joke’s on him but if that’s the standard for jail time. Whoa, we should be executing a lot more people.
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He had every opportunity to avoid jail.
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He paid people to beat his own ass, it was a crime where the offender was the only victim. Chicago has an embarrassing arrest record for all of the gun crime happening there, they have one of the most crooked police forces in the country, but they gave this dude 5 months because he tried to embarrass the cops. Lori Lightfoot sucks, Chicago is a rough ridin' corrupt dumpster that we should give to Canada.
I think it's mostly about the fact that he had a platform and used it to foment racial unrest in the most bitch-ass way possible. More importantly, he deeply embarrassed his connected friends who caped up for him. I don't think jail will "fix" his problems in any way, but I understand why, for the foregoing reasons. He won't have time to complete an appeal before those 150 days are up, either. There is nothing happy about any of this.
What he did was triple dumb, I'm just frustrated with how the criminal justice system uses jail. There is no good reason to put this man in jail. There's no threat of him doing this again. The only person truly embarrassed was himself. He lost his career. Locking someone up to send a message is always really rough ridin' dumb but it is particularly in this case, what are they attempting to deter? People will continue to make up crimes, 99% of which will never see the inside of a cell. People will continue to perjure themselves. It's not lost on me that it was a black man who got one of the longest sentences we've ever seen for making up a crime. Is what he did 5 months worse than what Amy Cooper did?
I feel the same way about the Varsity Blues scandal, throwing people in jail for trying to buy their kids way into college is bat crap crazy. What's crazier is the only actual criminal in the whole deal, Rick Singer, isn't going to get a single day in jail because he gave the FBI and the Federal District Court all they needed to bag some celebrities and get some publicity. They arrested some rich people, yay, that totally erases centuries of inequities inflicted on the poor in this country.
I think we've talked about this in other threads (and possibly offline), but I mostly agree with you. The fewer people incarcerated, the better, as far as I'm concerned. Jussie is just acting like an bad person still, tho.
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If he showed any remorse or took any responsibility at all I bet he avoids jail.
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If he showed any remorse or took any responsibility at all I bet he avoids jail.
This. And then why would you aggravate a judge? She just absolutely roasted him. I agree with most of the last several pages of this thread. He's not all there and shouldn't have gotten any jail time but he did this to himself.
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I’m also pretty strongly against purely punitive jail time, although I do agree that the sentence in this case had more to do with aggravating the judge as opposed to the crime itself. IMO it would have been better to separately prosecute him for perjury, but that also seems like a needless drain of justice resources.
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I think we can all agree he's a huge piece of crap and needs to get his dome checked.
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He wouldn't have even been charged if he had acted like any decent, normal human being would have after the story broke.
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this is a throwback but did ol girl who carved a backwards b into her cheek get any time in the slammer?
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i guess as far as the sentence, it's like they say a fair compromise is one where neither side is satisfied...u got (some) sjws saying #freejussie and then (most?) maga saying he should have gotten the same sentence as a person doing a real hate crime...
so it basically sounds alright to me...altho he's mostly being punished for being a bad liar / dumb ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJsQDPK-vvg
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this is a throwback but did ol girl who carved a backwards b into her cheek get any time in the slammer?
This is almost certainly a unique case, because hardly anyone would be caught as red handed as Smollet and continue to lie to police and under oath about it.
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this is a throwback but did ol girl who carved a backwards b into her cheek get any time in the slammer?
This is almost certainly a unique case, because hardly anyone would be caught as red handed as Smollet and continue to lie to police and under oath about it.
honestly, if i got in deep enough i'd probably keep lying too
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He had every opportunity to avoid jail.
If he showed any remorse or took any responsibility at all I bet he avoids jail.
He wouldn't have even been charged if he had acted like any decent, normal human being would have after the story broke.
Y'all are proving my point, don't rough ridin' put people in jail because they hurt feelings or because they don't kowtow to a judge. Rage, you're being way too harsh, almost seems personal. He lied, his crime is that he lied. We don't need to talk about how bad lying is, we all get that, the thing is that everyone lies, I think referring to him as indecent and abnormal because he lied isn't a standard that you have applied equally. Frankly, I think the dude, and others who do similar things, must have some kind of mental issue. I just don't understand what the end goal was to paying two massive dudes to beat your ass then claiming it was a hate crime. There wasn't going to be any arrests that come from this. It's Chicago, how do you not know that there are cameras everywhere? It was just such a ridiculous plan, I don't know how you don't question the sanity of someone who would plot such a thing.
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He's clearly mentally ill and will be trying to go in the back shortly. Maybe the jailers can prevent that, but I doubt it.
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Y'all are proving my point, don't rough ridin' put people in jail because they hurt feelings or because they don't kowtow to a judge. Rage, you're being way too harsh, almost seems personal. He lied, his crime is that he lied. We don't need to talk about how bad lying is, we all get that, the thing is that everyone lies, I think referring to him as indecent and abnormal because he lied isn't a standard that you have applied equally. Frankly, I think the dude, and others who do similar things, must have some kind of mental issue. I just don't understand what the end goal was to paying two massive dudes to beat your ass then claiming it was a hate crime. There wasn't going to be any arrests that come from this. It's Chicago, how do you not know that there are cameras everywhere? It was just such a ridiculous plan, I don't know how you don't question the sanity of someone who would plot such a thing.
I care next to nothing about this, but the "only a crazy person would commit this crime!" can be applied to a lot of crimes that most people agree should require time in the clink.
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Mir, it's possible to believe that he shouldn't get jail time and also live in the real world and recognize that getting jail time is a result of his own choices.
If he just apologized and came clean when he was caught I doubt he faces any criminal penalties beyond maybe financial restitution. If he still got the same sentence after apologizing then I think you'd have a better argument about going to jail for hurting feelings.
I don't know how to reconcile his mental health status with making his situation worse with regard to sentencing, but I'm open to ideas. It's certainly an area the justice system needs to improve.
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He had every opportunity to avoid jail.
If he showed any remorse or took any responsibility at all I bet he avoids jail.
He wouldn't have even been charged if he had acted like any decent, normal human being would have after the story broke.
Y'all are proving my point, don't rough ridin' put people in jail because they hurt feelings or because they don't kowtow to a judge. Rage, you're being way too harsh, almost seems personal. He lied, his crime is that he lied. We don't need to talk about how bad lying is, we all get that, the thing is that everyone lies, I think referring to him as indecent and abnormal because he lied isn't a standard that you have applied equally. Frankly, I think the dude, and others who do similar things, must have some kind of mental issue. I just don't understand what the end goal was to paying two massive dudes to beat your ass then claiming it was a hate crime. There wasn't going to be any arrests that come from this. It's Chicago, how do you not know that there are cameras everywhere? It was just such a ridiculous plan, I don't know how you don't question the sanity of someone who would plot such a thing.
I can understand your opinion but am curious as to what you think a fair punishment would be. Restitution for the police hours wasted?
I disagree that he was the only victim. He wasted resources that could've been used elsewhere so other people were victims, it's just hard to pinpoint who and to what extent. I would prefer there was some mechanism to allow recompense to a crime victims fund or something similar over jail, but also think fining rich people demonstrates the criminal justice system as more punitive on the poor.
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If people actually believed what he is still claiming happened, the two people he is accusing of beating him up would be going to prison for much longer than he is. It's pretty messed up to want the two people he paid off to get convicted of hate crimes.
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If people actually believed what he is still claiming happened, the two people he is accusing of beating him up would be going to prison for much longer than he is. It's pretty messed up to want the two people he paid off to get convicted of hate crimes.
It is a hate crime.. because I bet Jussie hated it
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He had every opportunity to avoid jail.
If he showed any remorse or took any responsibility at all I bet he avoids jail.
He wouldn't have even been charged if he had acted like any decent, normal human being would have after the story broke.
Y'all are proving my point, don't rough ridin' put people in jail because they hurt feelings or because they don't kowtow to a judge. Rage, you're being way too harsh, almost seems personal. He lied, his crime is that he lied. We don't need to talk about how bad lying is, we all get that, the thing is that everyone lies, I think referring to him as indecent and abnormal because he lied isn't a standard that you have applied equally. Frankly, I think the dude, and others who do similar things, must have some kind of mental issue. I just don't understand what the end goal was to paying two massive dudes to beat your ass then claiming it was a hate crime. There wasn't going to be any arrests that come from this. It's Chicago, how do you not know that there are cameras everywhere? It was just such a ridiculous plan, I don't know how you don't question the sanity of someone who would plot such a thing.
I don’t necessarily disagree with any of this, but I will point out that, AFAIK, insanity was never put on the table either by Smollet or his attorneys.
There is only so much a judge can do with the fact that you blatantly lie in a way that clearly hurts the justice system. I’m personally uncomfortable with a judge or jury offering lenience based on the brashness of a lie where the perpetrator and his attorneys never seek a finding of insanity themselves.
And for full disclosure, I am well aware of the now well documented cases of defendants pleading guilty to crimes they did not commit who were since proven innocent by DNA evidence. It’s a complicated issue for sure.
I still think jail time is unnecessary, but I can appreciate it provided a deterrent benefit without exacting too burdensome a toll on Smollet.
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i looked up the girl with the B on her face...admitted she lied pretty fast and got 9 months probation...i would have give her a little time in the slam too, tbh
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Y'all are proving my point, don't rough ridin' put people in jail because they hurt feelings or because they don't kowtow to a judge. Rage, you're being way too harsh, almost seems personal. He lied, his crime is that he lied. We don't need to talk about how bad lying is, we all get that, the thing is that everyone lies, I think referring to him as indecent and abnormal because he lied isn't a standard that you have applied equally. Frankly, I think the dude, and others who do similar things, must have some kind of mental issue. I just don't understand what the end goal was to paying two massive dudes to beat your ass then claiming it was a hate crime. There wasn't going to be any arrests that come from this. It's Chicago, how do you not know that there are cameras everywhere? It was just such a ridiculous plan, I don't know how you don't question the sanity of someone who would plot such a thing.
I care next to nothing about this, but the "only a crazy person would commit this crime!" can be applied to a lot of crimes that most people agree should require time in the clink.
I have no problem with people going to jail for committing crimes against victims
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He had every opportunity to avoid jail.
If he showed any remorse or took any responsibility at all I bet he avoids jail.
He wouldn't have even been charged if he had acted like any decent, normal human being would have after the story broke.
Y'all are proving my point, don't rough ridin' put people in jail because they hurt feelings or because they don't kowtow to a judge. Rage, you're being way too harsh, almost seems personal. He lied, his crime is that he lied. We don't need to talk about how bad lying is, we all get that, the thing is that everyone lies, I think referring to him as indecent and abnormal because he lied isn't a standard that you have applied equally. Frankly, I think the dude, and others who do similar things, must have some kind of mental issue. I just don't understand what the end goal was to paying two massive dudes to beat your ass then claiming it was a hate crime. There wasn't going to be any arrests that come from this. It's Chicago, how do you not know that there are cameras everywhere? It was just such a ridiculous plan, I don't know how you don't question the sanity of someone who would plot such a thing.
I can understand your opinion but am curious as to what you think a fair punishment would be. Restitution for the police hours wasted?
I disagree that he was the only victim. He wasted resources that could've been used elsewhere so other people were victims, it's just hard to pinpoint who and to what extent. I would prefer there was some mechanism to allow recompense to a crime victims fund or something similar over jail, but also think fining rich people demonstrates the criminal justice system as more punitive on the poor.
He already lost his career and that should be considered. Other restitution and community service would have been fine. The jail term literally serves no purpose other than the judge flexing his muscle. He isn't a threat to the community and his sentence doesn't serve as a deterrent to anything. Please GMAFB with the wasting resources thing. The Chicago PD is notoriously one of the worst in the country for open cases, and the general public was calling this thing a fraud less than 36 hours after it happened. There was no manhunt or anything. It was likely a couple of detectives interviewing Smollett, the people at the subway restaurant, and whatever tech who had to comb the surveillance footage.
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i looked up the girl with the B on her face...admitted she lied pretty fast and got 9 months probation...i would have give her a little time in the slam too, tbh
Two Americas.
She admitted to lying after she was shown surveillance video and was presented that she failed the polygraph. That bitch tried to influence a presidential election and she didn't go to jail, nor should she have.
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i looked up the girl with the B on her face...admitted she lied pretty fast and got 9 months probation...i would have give her a little time in the slam too, tbh
Two Americas.
She admitted to lying after she was shown surveillance video and was presented that she failed the polygraph. That bitch tried to influence a presidential election and she didn't go to jail, nor should she have.
what about that "Blacks Rule" guy?
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Dude’s doubling down…
https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1502570848229732352?s=21
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It’s very apparent from this statement that he learned nothing and didn’t get enough time and ruined Mighty Ducks for me.
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i looked up the girl with the B on her face...admitted she lied pretty fast and got 9 months probation...i would have give her a little time in the slam too, tbh
Two Americas.
She admitted to lying after she was shown surveillance video and was presented that she failed the polygraph. That bitch tried to influence a presidential election and she didn't go to jail, nor should she have.
Jussie wouldn't have even faced charges if he would have admitted to lying after being shown all of the evidence against him.
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Dude’s doubling down…
https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1502570848229732352?s=21
Race very well could have played a role. The catch is it’s impossible to tell because as you said he has yet to show an ounce of remorse or acknowledge any culpability.
Going off what MIR said the conversation in this instance should be more about how we treat mental illness in our justice system rather than how we treat race.
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It appears mental illness concerns only come into play with skin color these days. Why?
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It appears mental illness concerns only come into play with skin color these days. Why?
They also come into play every time someone shoots up a school.
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I think this dude belongs in a mental institution and not a jail.
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He should have got more time...
https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1512800040049328131?s=20&t=JJFZF2a1QbgJYa-dC77RRw