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Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: everyone shut up on December 03, 2014, 10:11:44 AM
http://globalgrind.com/2014/12/02/denver-police-attempt-erase-video-beating-unarmed-suspect-injuring-pregnant-woman/ (http://globalgrind.com/2014/12/02/denver-police-attempt-erase-video-beating-unarmed-suspect-injuring-pregnant-woman/)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on December 03, 2014, 03:46:42 PM
http://youtu.be/s2ghdM66U4Y (http://youtu.be/s2ghdM66U4Y)

 :frown:

montage of arguably (and some inarguably) bad shoots (and straight up murders) by cops. dont watch if you dont want to see that stuff.

I think americans should be rioting and smashing and burning crap way more often. ferguson just had the balls.

looks like arizona is probably worse than missouri.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on December 03, 2014, 03:51:54 PM
in several they go through the insane ritual of handcuffing and "arresting" the person they just killed. absolutely surreal.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2014, 04:20:36 PM
http://youtu.be/s2ghdM66U4Y (http://youtu.be/s2ghdM66U4Y)

 :frown:

montage of arguably (and some inarguably) bad shoots (and straight up murders) by cops. dont watch if you dont want to see that stuff.

I think americans should be rioting and smashing and burning crap way more often. ferguson just had the balls.

looks like arizona is probably worse than missouri.

I totally agree there should be more rioting over cases like this.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 03, 2014, 04:29:16 PM
Man I can't watch stuff like that anymore
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2014, 04:31:27 PM
Man I can't watch stuff like that anymore

More people should watch it
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 03, 2014, 04:43:21 PM
It made me too sad Rusty. I could only take about 5 minutes.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on December 03, 2014, 04:52:42 PM
Man I can't watch stuff like that anymore

More people should watch it

I watched until they shot the guy getting out of the truck. When his wife came out, and the way they barked at her. Too much.

I took the time to read the news stories of the first four or so videos. The reasons for deadly force a so weak in some. I get that if you have a knife and police tell you to drop it and you don't you're going to get capped, but these guys are shooting people on the hunch they may be strapped and asking questions later.

These are just shootings. What about plain old brutality? It almost seems like it's better for the cop to just shoot than face possible assault charges.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
I think the big takeaway is officers are trained incorrectly, whether a suspect is armed or not.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on December 03, 2014, 06:47:24 PM
We cannot have a society in which police are held to a different standard of conduct than the rest of us.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 03, 2014, 08:04:27 PM
I think the big takeaway is officers are trained incorrectly, whether a suspect is armed or not.

I'm not sure training is the issue, but more must be better.

There needs to be civil liability
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on December 03, 2014, 08:12:44 PM
Due to the position of power and responsibility they have over the population, they need to be held to an even higher standard.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on December 03, 2014, 08:15:04 PM
And violations of the trust punished more harshly.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2014, 08:52:12 PM
I think the big takeaway is officers are trained incorrectly, whether a suspect is armed or not.

I'm not sure training is the issue, but more must be better.

There needs to be civil liability
I would push for different training, not more. (and maybe more, too, but definitely different.) And yeah, a little accountability would be nice.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 04, 2014, 08:16:05 AM
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/nov/29/correctional-officers-not-criminally-liable-case-w/  :frown:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 04, 2014, 08:19:28 AM
We need to appoint a special prosecutor in Kansas whose sole purpose is to prosecute cops in these types of cases and to audit police stations for corruption. Take this stuff out of the hands of the DAs who want nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 04, 2014, 08:28:40 AM
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/nov/29/correctional-officers-not-criminally-liable-case-w/  :frown:

WTF was the hospital thinking? A woman is vomiting blood and has vomited dozens of times, but you are just going to give her fluids and send her back to a jail cell? If anything, they are more liable than the police here.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 04, 2014, 02:53:15 PM
http://ringoffireradio.com/2014/12/grand-jury-indicted-the-man-who-filmed-eric-garners-killing/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on December 04, 2014, 02:57:32 PM
Outrageous!  #freeramseyorta
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on December 04, 2014, 03:00:44 PM
Has anyone suggested getting rid of all cops and just policing ourselves?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on December 04, 2014, 03:10:09 PM
Has anyone suggested getting rid of all cops and just policing ourselves?

yes, that has been suggested.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on December 04, 2014, 04:50:49 PM
goEMAW.com is a good template
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on December 05, 2014, 12:46:22 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/phoenix-police-unarmed-man-killed-by-officer/19878931/

 :frown:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on December 05, 2014, 02:57:07 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/phoenix-police-unarmed-man-killed-by-officer/19878931/

 :frown:

Get used to these stories making national waves every week for the foreseeable future. It's going to get ugly, but may just turn out for the best.

We know this happens a lot. It just hasn't been heavily covered on much more than a local level until now. I remember all four of these incidents from working in Wichita this summer.

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article1224906.html

http://www.jrn.com/kfdi/news/Unidentified-man-critical-after-southeast-Wichita-shooting-incident-265844501.html

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article1255072.html

http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/multiple-agencies-assisting-with-cowley-county-incident/26272050

Of course, while related to the topic, only one of these guys didn't have a weapon, and he allegedly almost ran over the cop with his car.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: husserl on December 05, 2014, 08:07:24 AM
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/exclusive-texted-union-rep-akai-gurley-lay-dying-article-1.2034219 (http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/exclusive-texted-union-rep-akai-gurley-lay-dying-article-1.2034219)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The1BigWillie on December 05, 2014, 08:09:19 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/phoenix-police-unarmed-man-killed-by-officer/19878931/

 :frown:

Another pillar of the community just being a good person murdered by cops who just want to kill black men. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: deputy dawg on December 17, 2014, 04:52:15 PM
Most police agencies are forced to adopt a hiring preference for military vets.  I respect vets, but their military training is more along the lines of a "us vs. them" mentality  than a community service mentality.  A lot of really good officers have left law enforcement because of how this is playing out.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on May 07, 2015, 09:02:05 AM
http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897 (http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897)

where is the outrage?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The1BigWillie on May 07, 2015, 09:17:19 AM
http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897 (http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897)

where is the outrage?

Probably some outrage 2 years ago when it happened. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on May 07, 2015, 09:19:15 AM
http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897 (http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897)

where is the outrage?

Probably some outrage 2 years ago when it happened.

I KNOW WHERE THE OUTRAGE IS

i guess this got promoted up due to its relevance with some mom calling the cops on her ten year old to teach him a lesson.

parents do this all the time and their kid gets shot like 75% of the time i think
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 07, 2015, 09:25:17 AM
http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897 (http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897)

where is the outrage?

I'm outraged at the media for not deeming this newsworthy enough for national headlines. Needed more melenin disparity between killer and victim, I guess.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on May 07, 2015, 11:39:30 AM
the police taught that family a powerful lesson, just like they were planning.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on May 07, 2015, 12:32:35 PM
... and that's why you always leave a note
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Headinjun on May 07, 2015, 12:58:53 PM
http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897 (http://gawker.com/dad-calls-cops-on-son-to-teach-him-a-lesson-cops-shoot-1460159897)

where is the outrage?

I'm outraged at the media for not deeming this newsworthy enough for national headlines. Needed more melenin disparity between killer and victim, I guess.

RACE BAITER!!!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MeatSauce on June 07, 2015, 02:52:42 PM
Apparently a call went to McKinney, TX PD about "too many black people" and a domestic disturbance at a neighborhood birthday/pool party.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=991238787574735&id=731743396857610&_rdr

http://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/texas-police-officer-suspended-after-pulling-weapon-on-teens#.ynqE9Naz7

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/06/07/mckinney-officer-placed-on-leave-after-pool-party/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on June 08, 2015, 07:29:14 AM
It's pretty funny to see people who live in McKinney's reaction to this.  100% of the blame is on the media.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2015, 11:20:27 AM
I hadn't watched that until now, but holy crap that cop doing a barrel roll at the start of the video.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 08, 2015, 11:29:15 AM
that cop wanted to shoot someone SO BAD.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on June 08, 2015, 11:36:43 AM
I hadn't watched that until now, but holy crap that cop doing a barrel roll at the start of the video.

Was he actually doing a "badass cop barrel roll" or was it a "tripped and attempt to hurt myself less on the fall barrel roll"??
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2015, 11:37:30 AM
I hadn't watched that until now, but holy crap that cop doing a barrel roll at the start of the video.

Was he actually doing a "badass cop barrel roll" or was it a "tripped and attempt to hurt myself less on the fall barrel roll"??

either way
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Jabeez on June 08, 2015, 11:38:06 AM
Man, what a massive bad person. Even when he pulled the guns, his cop bros were embarassed.  "Sorry about my friend, I promise he's not always like this much of an bad person, he's just had too much to drink."
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 08, 2015, 11:42:59 AM
Man, what a massive bad person. Even when he pulled the guns, his cop bros were embarassed.  "Sorry about my friend, I promise he's not always like this much of an bad person, he's just had too much to drink."

I am sure they had seen him in full berserker mode before and knew there were cameras around.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on June 08, 2015, 12:06:04 PM
Last night a bunch of hip-hop hunchers tried to get into radio station sponsored concert without paying. Everyone went ballistic and their riot genes kicked in when police tried to stop them from entering.  Even ticket holders went beserk.  Police did not kill anyone.  That is good.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on June 08, 2015, 12:06:46 PM
Riot genes huh?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on June 08, 2015, 12:12:23 PM
what's the word on the airwaves, CRL?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on June 08, 2015, 01:01:15 PM
Some dumbass brit guest host :jerk:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on June 08, 2015, 01:25:07 PM
I hadn't watched that until now, but holy crap that cop doing a barrel roll at the start of the video.

(http://i1.wp.com/boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/mckinney911.gif?resize=500%2C281)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2015, 01:26:56 PM
:D
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 08, 2015, 01:33:01 PM
I mean, he tripped right?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on June 08, 2015, 01:37:09 PM
so, coincidence that the scantily clad 14 year old that he spent half the video draped over is beautiful?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 08, 2015, 01:38:07 PM
It's sort of surprising that he was able to pull off that barrel roll without shooting himself in the process, really.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MeatSauce on June 08, 2015, 01:43:41 PM
I hope he's reprimanded for those white socks too.  :Yuck:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on June 08, 2015, 01:50:25 PM
There should be a minimum height requirement to be a cop because that guy has a serious case of Little Man Syndrome.  Also probably roids.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on June 08, 2015, 02:01:35 PM
Cop flop.  A oscar Weber coordination drill.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 08, 2015, 02:14:08 PM
How many times has he applied to be a Texas Ranger?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on June 08, 2015, 02:32:02 PM
this guy should get a reality show on E! where he charges into everyday situations and physically escalates the crap out of them. City Council meetings, PTO chili feeds, U10 soccer tournaments, etc.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: WillieWatanabe on June 08, 2015, 02:36:21 PM
I hadn't watched that until now, but holy crap that cop doing a barrel roll at the start of the video.

(http://i1.wp.com/boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/mckinney911.gif?resize=500%2C281)

omg
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2015, 02:38:21 PM
You just KNOW when he goes to the voting booth he presses R twice.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on June 08, 2015, 02:49:50 PM
Mods, should I post Facebook comments by people from McKinney here or in the Political FB thread?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 08, 2015, 02:58:43 PM
Mods, should I post Facebook comments by people from McKinney here or in the Political FB thread?

both
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MeatSauce on June 08, 2015, 03:02:42 PM
Mods, should I post Facebook comments by people from McKinney here or in the Political FB thread?
as a former Prosper resident this would be v enjoyable.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on June 08, 2015, 03:02:55 PM
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Michael Quattrin
Facebook friends and family – PLEASE HELP! That (now viral) video of the officer in McKinney subduing a girl in a bathing suit was in OUR neighborhood. The situation was NOT what is being reported…

A DJamer setup in a public space next to the private pool in our neighborhood on Friday and played loud explicit (F-bomb) music for multiple hours (it is unclear if he was invited by a resident as no one has claimed responsibility). The teenagers (both black and white) were being brought into our neighborhood by the carload because the DJamer was tweeting out invites to a “pool party” for $15 (obviously unauthorized by our neighborhood). The teens began fighting with each other and pushing their way into our private pool. Some were jumping our fence. The security guard was accosted when he tried to stop the beginnings of this mob scene. Some residents who live around the park/pool area tried to come out and settle things down. The teens started yelling racial slurs at our neighbors and started assaulting people and property (throwing bottles at cars and attacking a mother at the pool with 3 young children). The first officer on the scene was by himself. At that time, the party had grown to a large, aggressive crowd. As the officer arrived, many teens started running through our neighborhood. Many of the teens were being very aggressive and yelling at the officers as more arrived.

This was a very dangerous situation for the officers AND the teens/residents not involved. The news media has refused to hear the neighborhood’s side of this story. The video being distributed is only a very small segment of what happened. This information being distributed by the media and others is extremely distorted and in some cases outright lies.

PLEASE HELP US STOP THE BROADCASTING OF THIS IGNORANCE. The media is trying to make it look like our neighborhood is a white’s only, racist area. Anyone who has spent even a few minutes in our area knows this is an outright LIE.

The unfortunate result is that our neighbors are now being threatened. We have also had cars and property in and around the park area vandalized this weekend. Unfortunately, the press and social media are trying to enflame the situation.

I am asking for your help for my family and my neighbor’s safety…PLEASE, PLEASE do not rebroadcast any of these lies.

I'm not friends with this guy but apparently a lot of people on news feed are.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on June 08, 2015, 03:04:20 PM
I just noticed that guy's post has over 45,000 shares.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on June 08, 2015, 03:16:22 PM
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I read that this party was crashed. Reported that Uninvited kids climbed the fence around the pool causing the trouble. Also read that some homes and cars were vandalized the next evening. The WHOLE story should be reported!!!

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Some of yall ate missing the point. Teenagers disrespectful to adults and police officers. Teenagers who were out of control. No supervision. As a parent I would of kicked my kids ass for acting like that. I didn't bring my kids up to disrespect their elders or law enforcement. If those kids had respect in the first place those officers would of act differently. Here this people. No one was punched or shot by officers. This is good thing. But parents coming out and saying " Oh don't touch my baby, Don't hurt my baby....!!!!! You had no right to touch my kid!!!!! " BS!!!! THEY DID! Kids get away with too much crap these days. Parents need to evaluate their own children and change their way of thinking and teach them right from wrong. My kids have NEVER disrespected anybody nor have they never been in trouble with the law.

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Everyone wants this to be another "white cop black victim" story. It's simple, obey the law and everything will be fine. I'm sure everyone saw the "mother of the year" in Baltimore slapping the crap out of her want to be thug son. Where were the parents of these kids??? Most of the time when you are doing something you shouldn't be doing or somewhere you shouldn't be there are going to be consequences and it doesn't matter what color you are. GROW UP AND MAKE SMART DECISIONS AND NOTHING LIKE THIS WILL HAPPEN!

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Every story has two sides. We are only hearing
about the Video which was taken after the Young Criminals had been asked to leave. They were Provoking the Police and DISRESPECTING the Police and the Neighborhood.
That's A CRIME.
Fox 4 and ALL MEDIA who
is ONLY sharing the Video
of the Police Officer
pushing the YOUNG GIRL to the ground.
.Tell ALL the People
RESPECT THE POLICE
they are ONLY doing their job
WE ALL NEED TO RESPECT
THE LAW .
When You DISOBEY the law
You become a CRIMINAL.

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The media absolutely feeds off of situations like this. It is irresponsible reporting to only report one side of an event. It is also ridiculous that every situation turns into a racial debate. Does it really matter what skin tone someone has? If the kids would have followed orders of authority, this would have been prevented.

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Parents need to teach their children respect.....that includes respecting the police. Mouthing back at a cop is a bad decision....anyone with any common sense knows that, white or black or purple.

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Simple fact you obey officer commands and do not argue. I don't care about your race. And if you were running you were in the wrong because if you were not you would have stayed and answered police questions and then been sent on your way SIMPLE.

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The point of sharing this is to show that not everything is what it seems. Media wants it to be a race thing. And therefore will not discuss or show or interview others who will disprove that. For sure the cop was wrong yes. But those kids and the DJamer were wrong. Why is it we only want to gripe about the cop but not gripe about the disrespectful teen punks who vandalized property at a neighborhood they shouldn't have been in the first place!!! Why is it always the cops that are bad and no one wants to acknowledge the terrible behavior of the teenagers?!

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The news media will do and say anything for a story to get people riled up. I thought journalism was to report the truth. ..but in the wake of all the racial unrest in this country, they are trying to capitalize on making the police look bad, no matter what the cost.

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Again it comes down to respect. If the young girl would have listened to police office the first time would have not being talking back then she would have not be in that situation point blank and then she was fighting him. S.m.d.h teach your kids to listen. And as far as him drawing his gun I would of did the same thing as for the youth boys were come up from behind him.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on June 08, 2015, 03:18:00 PM
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This boils down to one word, RESPECT. Did the news media RESPECT their viewers enough to report an unbiased view of the ENTIRE story and not just go for "sensationalism?" No! Did those kids RESPECT the rights of others to enjoy a peaceful time with their families and friends without being subjected to uninvited kids, loud, raucious, f-bomb dropping music? No! Did the girl who was thrown to the ground, or any of the others there, RESPECT the voices of authority and do what they were told? No!
Bottom line: You have to give RESPECT to get RESPECT.
That pendulum swings both ways!

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Some people just like to be in the media with everything that has been going on with COPS AND Hispanics white and African Americans my question is Where were all the parents!!! People just need to learn to keep their mouth shut and listen to authority I'm sorry I'm not racist but from my point of view that girl new what would happen is she didn't keep her mouth shut but like always they like to be in the media and get that attention she's getting now. She put her self in an adult situation so she was handled like one disrespecting an adult figure more less and Officer. Cmon get over it
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 08, 2015, 03:19:10 PM
I've never seen smh done with periods, it's a nice touch.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on June 08, 2015, 03:21:24 PM
I've never seen smh done with periods, it's a nice touch.

My FAVORITE is the use of caps.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on June 08, 2015, 03:23:00 PM
the one where RESPECT is the word in all caps throughout drives home the point that the person thinks that these damn kids should have some RESPECT. then they use it on ENTIRE and it kind of draws attention away from the theme, which is RESPECT.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on June 08, 2015, 03:25:55 PM
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Every story has two sides. We are only hearing
about the Video which was taken after the Young Criminals had been asked to leave. They were Provoking the Police and DISRESPECTING the Police and the Neighborhood.
That's A CRIME.
Fox 4 and ALL MEDIA who
is ONLY sharing the Video
of the Police Officer
pushing the YOUNG GIRL to the ground.
.Tell ALL the People
RESPECT THE POLICE
they are ONLY doing their job
WE ALL NEED TO RESPECT
THE LAW .
When You DISOBEY the law
You become a CRIMINAL.

This is how mentally ill people write.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on June 08, 2015, 03:32:40 PM
i dont think the law obligates me to respect anybody or anything, but there are an awful lot of laws and i have read very few.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on June 08, 2015, 03:35:55 PM
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disrespectful little bad ass white kids get in trouble for doing hood rat things all the time! sorry we fail to make a huge deal of it, normally the biggest deal is they go home and get a good old fashion ass whoopin that gets their asses back in check rather than someone excusing the behavior using race as a crutch!

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on June 08, 2015, 03:38:32 PM
i can't wait until my kids start acting bad so i can beat the rough ridin' crap out of them in order to make them good again.  stupid little fuckers, serves them right. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on June 08, 2015, 03:44:21 PM
i'm looking forward to the opportunity to be an excellent parent is what i'm saying.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on June 08, 2015, 03:48:57 PM
if you're not busting heads, then you sure as crap aren't parenting.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on June 08, 2015, 03:51:24 PM
i dont think the law obligates me to respect anybody or anything, but there are an awful lot of laws and i have read very few.

i'm 100% certain the rage monster tiny man cop in that vid disagrees with you.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on June 08, 2015, 03:53:15 PM
i dont think the law obligates me to respect anybody or anything, but there are an awful lot of laws and i have read very few.

i'm 100% certain the rage monster tiny man cop in that vid disagrees with you.


Quickest way to earn respect is to drop F bombs on junior high kids.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on June 08, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
i dont think the law obligates me to respect anybody or anything, but there are an awful lot of laws and i have read very few.

i'm 100% certain the rage monster tiny man cop in that vid disagrees with you.


Quickest way to earn respect is to drop F bombs on physically dominate [a] junior high kids girl.

eff yeah it is. some smart-mouthed teenage female gets lippy, you come off that rough ridin' top rope, man.  you do not hesitate.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on June 08, 2015, 03:58:27 PM
now when this guy gets asked in the locker room how many 14 year old girls he thinks he could beat up at once, he will be able to confidently answer "just slightly over 1"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on June 08, 2015, 03:59:05 PM
being a cop is not for the faint of heart.  being a hero means making the tough calls. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on June 08, 2015, 04:00:10 PM
he's brave enough not to think it's wrong to do what he did or care.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on June 08, 2015, 04:01:45 PM
sometimes when heroes do what needs to be done they pay a price for their actions.  #moreheroic #martyr
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on June 08, 2015, 04:02:39 PM
now when this guy gets asked in the locker room how many 14 year old girls he thinks he could beat up at once, he will be able to confidently answer "just slightly over 1"

it didn't look like she was really trying though.  so inconclusive. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on June 08, 2015, 04:03:53 PM
When you need a police officer to come to your neighborhood and physically subdue an 8th grade girl who weighs 110, maybe even 115 pounds, he's your guy.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on June 08, 2015, 04:08:30 PM
again, i'm not sure how effective he is, but he's going to try really rough ridin' hard and i'd wager really enjoy it.  and i do like to see folks giving max effort and really loving their chosen vocations.  so i'd probably call for those reasons. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 08, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
i'm looking forward to the opportunity to be an excellent parent is what i'm saying.

telling everyone online about how majorly hard you are on your kids is very satisfying
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mr Bread on June 08, 2015, 04:22:19 PM
i may start instagramming all the photos of black eyes and gimpy little legs.  probably go with the sutro filter.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on June 11, 2015, 07:48:42 AM
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2014/10/20140915_murderandfatalityrates.png&w=1484)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/10/02/once-again-police-work-is-not-getting-more-dangerous/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2015, 09:14:53 AM
its probably just like anything else.  It seems more prevalent due to almost an unlimited access to immediate information for almost anyone.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 11, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
its probably just like anything else.  It seems more prevalent due to almost an unlimited access to immediate information for almost anyone.

I don't even think it seems more prevalent. Cops killing civilians seems more prevalent, but you don't hear about cops getting killed all that often.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on June 11, 2015, 10:38:01 AM
yeah, i've never heard even a single person say that too many cops were being killed.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2015, 10:39:09 AM
Well, I scanned that wrong.  I thought it was how many ppl cops are killing, not how many cops are being killed. 

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on July 20, 2015, 09:30:56 PM
Just over a mile from my place... Seems justified tho
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-north-side-policeinvolved-shooting-20150720-story.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on July 29, 2015, 12:59:31 PM
appears the cop in Cincinnati really screwed up
got the murder charge
DA wants U of C policing to be done by the city and no university cops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on July 29, 2015, 01:50:27 PM
video of the cop's body cam is up now
semi-graphic warn
http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/watch-body-cam-video-released-in-sam-dubose-shooting
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Paul Moscow on July 29, 2015, 02:14:49 PM
video of the cop's body cam is up now
semi-graphic warn
http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/watch-body-cam-video-released-in-sam-dubose-shooting

jesus
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on July 29, 2015, 02:57:22 PM
I was expecting to see something bad, and oh man it was bad. Guy tries to keep his door closed and the cop reacts by shooting him in the head. What in the eff. It's the mentality of these cops that needs to change. These cops see black people (and people in general) and they think "guilty until proven innocent".

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on July 29, 2015, 03:00:18 PM
Man it sure is a good thing that cop is protecting local citizens from the heinous crime of not having a front license plate.  I mean JFC that is straight up murder.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 29, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
At some point someone is going to grow a rough ridin' brain and 1. get a training program in place, and 2. quit hiring the personality type that is doing this.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 29, 2015, 03:10:22 PM
he would have been scott free w/o the body cam. Probably would have been a bigger dickhead and shot the poor guy sooner.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on July 29, 2015, 03:13:45 PM
At some point someone is going to grow a rough ridin' brain and 1. get a training program in place, and 2. quit hiring the personality type that is doing this.

Problem is, most people that don't have that type of personality don't pursue jobs with the police.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 29, 2015, 03:18:01 PM
Oh my. Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Frankenklein on July 29, 2015, 03:42:32 PM
 :confused:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 29, 2015, 04:32:13 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 29, 2015, 04:45:34 PM
Traffic cops shouldn't have guns.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Canary on July 29, 2015, 04:48:15 PM
That was extreme. Could have been avoided by both parties. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 29, 2015, 04:50:22 PM
That was extreme. Could have been avoided by both parties.

The guy in the car didn't want to make the news.  The cop hadn't established anything was wrong, other than no front plate. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 29, 2015, 04:52:44 PM
Eric Garner's family was awarded almost $6M.  Now the court is refusing to release the grand jury minutes.


Public employee.  Public government.  Public tax dollars payout.   how in the eff is any of this not immediately available to anyone who requests it?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/29/us-usa-garner-appeal-idUSKCN0Q32M020150729 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/29/us-usa-garner-appeal-idUSKCN0Q32M020150729)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 29, 2015, 04:54:14 PM
"could have been avoided by both parties" makes it sound like the unarmed guy who got shot in the head for not having a driver's license was as much to blame as the guy that shot him
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 29, 2015, 04:55:58 PM
"could have been avoided both parties" makes it sound like the unarmed guy who got shot in the head for not having a driver's license was as much to blame as the guy that shot him

He had a driver's license.  He didn't have one of his license plates.  Like everyone in Kansas
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 29, 2015, 05:04:16 PM
"could have been avoided both parties" makes it sound like the unarmed guy who got shot in the head for not having a driver's license was as much to blame as the guy that shot him

He had a driver's license.  He didn't have one of his license plates.  Like everyone in Kansas
He could have been in Kansas and avoided the whole thing!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Canary on July 29, 2015, 05:06:37 PM
That wasn't my point, but I see how some might make that comparison. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 29, 2015, 06:08:24 PM
That wasn't my point, but I see how some might make that comparison.

I'd like you to articulate your point so I can pick it apart.

edit: I don't think I really need to. CNS hit the most important points. Any officer with actual training would have made their intentions clear before trying to open the door of the vehicle. That was the biggest clusterfuck of a traffic stop that I've ever laid eyes upon.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 29, 2015, 06:50:32 PM
"could have been avoided both parties" makes it sound like the unarmed guy who got shot in the head for not having a driver's license was as much to blame as the guy that shot him

He had a driver's license.  He didn't have one of his license plates.  Like everyone in Kansas

He didn't have his driver's license on him, but I don't think that the death penalty is an acceptable punishment for that.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on July 29, 2015, 07:27:56 PM
Ive rewatched a few times and still cant believe it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 29, 2015, 08:10:37 PM
If he doesn't get life there should be riots

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on July 30, 2015, 11:54:26 AM
I'm honestly really torn on this.  When I heard the DA's comments I thought for sure it would be an open and shut case, but I'm not so sure.  I will say I am a cop apologist in 99% of the cases to get that out of the way. 

I think this video literally shows the act was one second too late from being a "clean shoot" and one second too early to be murder.  This great little site allows you to move this video frame by frame to see (kinda) when stuff really occurs.  And it allows you to go in slower speeds. 
http://rowvid.com/?v=Z0cdejrSjyc&t=105.00&s=0.25


I have to run and I'll be back for more, since I know many will think I'm insane.  I would urge people to look at 1:52-1:56.  Notice the car being started and put into gear.  But also notice how the cop has his gun out in literally one second 1:54 if I recall, with the death at 1:55.  I haven't seen an un-edited (gore warning that is) video yet, which I think it necessary to get a better understanding of the shot/how far they moved/and whether or not the grappled in the car.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 30, 2015, 12:28:17 PM
I'm honestly really torn on this.  When I heard the DA's comments I thought for sure it would be an open and shut case, but I'm not so sure.  I will say I am a cop apologist in 99% of the cases to get that out of the way. 

I think this video literally shows the act was one second too late from being a "clean shoot" and one second too early to be murder.  This great little site allows you to move this video frame by frame to see (kinda) when stuff really occurs.  And it allows you to go in slower speeds. 
http://rowvid.com/?v=Z0cdejrSjyc&t=105.00&s=0.25


I have to run and I'll be back for more, since I know many will think I'm insane.  I would urge people to look at 1:52-1:56.  Notice the car being started and put into gear.  But also notice how the cop has his gun out in literally one second 1:54 if I recall, with the death at 1:55.  I haven't seen an un-edited (gore warning that is) video yet, which I think it necessary to get a better understanding of the shot/how far they moved/and whether or not the grappled in the car.

What would have made this a "clean shoot" 1 second earlier? As far as I can tell, the only thing that could have made this a clean shoot would be a body cam malfunction.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on July 30, 2015, 12:38:55 PM
I'm honestly really torn on this.  When I heard the DA's comments I thought for sure it would be an open and shut case, but I'm not so sure.  I will say I am a cop apologist in 99% of the cases to get that out of the way. 

I think this video literally shows the act was one second too late from being a "clean shoot" and one second too early to be murder.  This great little site allows you to move this video frame by frame to see (kinda) when stuff really occurs.  And it allows you to go in slower speeds. 
http://rowvid.com/?v=Z0cdejrSjyc&t=105.00&s=0.25


I have to run and I'll be back for more, since I know many will think I'm insane.  I would urge people to look at 1:52-1:56.  Notice the car being started and put into gear.  But also notice how the cop has his gun out in literally one second 1:54 if I recall, with the death at 1:55.  I haven't seen an un-edited (gore warning that is) video yet, which I think it necessary to get a better understanding of the shot/how far they moved/and whether or not the grappled in the car.

I'd be interested to see an example of the 1% of cases where you aren't a cop apologist after reading this
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 30, 2015, 12:47:41 PM
Prob cops shooting other cops.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on July 30, 2015, 02:45:09 PM
I'm honestly really torn on this.  When I heard the DA's comments I thought for sure it would be an open and shut case, but I'm not so sure.  I will say I am a cop apologist in 99% of the cases to get that out of the way. 

I think this video literally shows the act was one second too late from being a "clean shoot" and one second too early to be murder.  This great little site allows you to move this video frame by frame to see (kinda) when stuff really occurs.  And it allows you to go in slower speeds. 
http://rowvid.com/?v=Z0cdejrSjyc&t=105.00&s=0.25


I have to run and I'll be back for more, since I know many will think I'm insane.  I would urge people to look at 1:52-1:56.  Notice the car being started and put into gear.  But also notice how the cop has his gun out in literally one second 1:54 if I recall, with the death at 1:55.  I haven't seen an un-edited (gore warning that is) video yet, which I think it necessary to get a better understanding of the shot/how far they moved/and whether or not the grappled in the car.

I'd be interested to see an example of the 1% of cases where you aren't a cop apologist after reading this

Eric Garner
the hold was a violation of policy and it was an illegitimate homicide.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on July 30, 2015, 02:48:54 PM
I'm honestly really torn on this.  When I heard the DA's comments I thought for sure it would be an open and shut case, but I'm not so sure.  I will say I am a cop apologist in 99% of the cases to get that out of the way. 

I think this video literally shows the act was one second too late from being a "clean shoot" and one second too early to be murder.  This great little site allows you to move this video frame by frame to see (kinda) when stuff really occurs.  And it allows you to go in slower speeds. 
http://rowvid.com/?v=Z0cdejrSjyc&t=105.00&s=0.25


I have to run and I'll be back for more, since I know many will think I'm insane.  I would urge people to look at 1:52-1:56.  Notice the car being started and put into gear.  But also notice how the cop has his gun out in literally one second 1:54 if I recall, with the death at 1:55.  I haven't seen an un-edited (gore warning that is) video yet, which I think it necessary to get a better understanding of the shot/how far they moved/and whether or not the grappled in the car.

What would have made this a "clean shoot" 1 second earlier? As far as I can tell, the only thing that could have made this a clean shoot would be a body cam malfunction.

You flipped that around, but not a big deal.  What I mean is that if the shot if fired one second later, the cop has probably been dragged 10+ feet with the guy alive driving, trying to get away, thus excusable imo.  One second earlier and the car isn't on, not in gear, and a blatant criminal act. 


A few big thing people need to think about from my point of view:
Is a cop supposed to stop a fleeing suspect from a legitimate arrest/detainment by hanging on to a car?
Is a car a deadly weapon during a fleeing attempt? (Ohio statue isn't really clear here)
Is being dragged by a car an assault with a deadly weapon?

I think these 3 points are very open for debate and color how you see this interaction.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 30, 2015, 02:52:21 PM
I'm honestly really torn on this.  When I heard the DA's comments I thought for sure it would be an open and shut case, but I'm not so sure.  I will say I am a cop apologist in 99% of the cases to get that out of the way. 

I think this video literally shows the act was one second too late from being a "clean shoot" and one second too early to be murder.  This great little site allows you to move this video frame by frame to see (kinda) when stuff really occurs.  And it allows you to go in slower speeds. 
http://rowvid.com/?v=Z0cdejrSjyc&t=105.00&s=0.25


I have to run and I'll be back for more, since I know many will think I'm insane.  I would urge people to look at 1:52-1:56.  Notice the car being started and put into gear.  But also notice how the cop has his gun out in literally one second 1:54 if I recall, with the death at 1:55.  I haven't seen an un-edited (gore warning that is) video yet, which I think it necessary to get a better understanding of the shot/how far they moved/and whether or not the grappled in the car.

What would have made this a "clean shoot" 1 second earlier? As far as I can tell, the only thing that could have made this a clean shoot would be a body cam malfunction.

You flipped that around, but not a big deal.  What I mean is that if the shot if fired one second later, the cop has probably been dragged 10+ feet with the guy alive driving, trying to get away, thus excusable imo.  One second earlier and the car isn't on, not in gear, and a blatant criminal act. 


A few big thing people need to think about from my point of view:
Is a cop supposed to stop a fleeing suspect from a legitimate arrest/detainment by hanging on to a car?
Is a car a deadly weapon during a fleeing attempt? (Ohio statue isn't really clear here)
Is being dragged by a car an assault with a deadly weapon?

I think these 3 points are very open for debate and color how you see this interaction.

I think the cop is supposed to stop the fleeing suspect by getting back into his car and following him. He's not supposed to shoot somebody just because they are running away.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on July 30, 2015, 02:53:56 PM
I'm honestly really torn on this.  When I heard the DA's comments I thought for sure it would be an open and shut case, but I'm not so sure.  I will say I am a cop apologist in 99% of the cases to get that out of the way. 

I think this video literally shows the act was one second too late from being a "clean shoot" and one second too early to be murder.  This great little site allows you to move this video frame by frame to see (kinda) when stuff really occurs.  And it allows you to go in slower speeds. 
http://rowvid.com/?v=Z0cdejrSjyc&t=105.00&s=0.25


I have to run and I'll be back for more, since I know many will think I'm insane.  I would urge people to look at 1:52-1:56.  Notice the car being started and put into gear.  But also notice how the cop has his gun out in literally one second 1:54 if I recall, with the death at 1:55.  I haven't seen an un-edited (gore warning that is) video yet, which I think it necessary to get a better understanding of the shot/how far they moved/and whether or not the grappled in the car.

I'd be interested to see an example of the 1% of cases where you aren't a cop apologist after reading this

Eric Garner
the hold was a violation of policy and it was an illegitimate homicide.

Also if I understand things correctly with the timeline the other cop who supported the events in Cinci and probably wasn't in a position to view them should be charged with multiple crimes.  I would also be in favor of a felon level law with probably a 10 year minimum for official misconduct/breaking the public trust law that would apply to the other officer's false report.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on July 30, 2015, 03:31:04 PM
ok, thanks for answering. are you in favor requiring body cameras for all officers?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on July 30, 2015, 03:34:14 PM
ok, thanks for answering. are you in favor requiring body cameras for all officers?
yes and any direct tampering is a crime and loss of job/benefits
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 30, 2015, 07:49:43 PM
Tennessee v. Garner
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on July 30, 2015, 11:18:17 PM
Tennessee v. Garner
commonly called the fleeing felon rule, but it isn't clear if this was a felony per Ohio statute
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on July 30, 2015, 11:56:28 PM
Dammit!!!  Pay cops a decent salary so we don't have to hire one bullet Barnies who have misfiring synaptic nerons.  He killed that guy for no good reason.  Even a patrolman from Renoland would not do this.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 31, 2015, 08:23:06 AM
Tennessee v. Garner
commonly called the fleeing felon rule, but it isn't clear if this was a felony per Ohio statute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

Quote
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."

Also, I'm betting that failing to display a front license plate is not considered a felony in Ohio.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2015, 08:51:53 AM
Dammit!!!  Pay cops a decent salary so we don't have to hire one bullet Barnies who have misfiring synaptic nerons.  He killed that guy for no good reason.  Even a patrolman from Renoland would not do this.

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 31, 2015, 09:02:18 AM
http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/ray-tensings-attorney-people-across-the-country-are-offering-tensing-money-to-pay-his-bond?google_editors_picks=true
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2015, 09:03:14 AM
ok, thanks for answering. are you in favor requiring body cameras for all officers?
yes and any direct tampering is a crime and loss of job/benefits

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 31, 2015, 11:51:25 AM
Tennessee v. Garner
commonly called the fleeing felon rule, but it isn't clear if this was a felony per Ohio statute

i think it's pretty clear that it wasn't.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on July 31, 2015, 04:47:58 PM
gay people you're next  :jblein:

http://www.newnownext.com/gay-man-pulled-from-home-beaten-by-nypd-officers-yelling-man of taste and distinction-in-horrifying-video/07/2015/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 31, 2015, 06:57:40 PM
Cops.....the biggest gang in our nation.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 01, 2015, 10:16:40 AM
Tennessee v. Garner
commonly called the fleeing felon rule, but it isn't clear if this was a felony per Ohio statute

i think it's pretty clear that it wasn't.
so dragging a cop with your car isn't using it (the car) as a weapon?  these are the hard questions that need to be answered.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 01, 2015, 11:14:36 AM
What video are you watching?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 01, 2015, 11:19:17 AM
The guy starts the car. The cop leverages himself in a manner to keep himself in front of the window while he draws his gun and executes the driver. Simple as that.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 01, 2015, 02:56:01 PM
For how long has that cop wanted to shoot someone?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 01, 2015, 02:59:17 PM
The guy starts the car. The cop leverages himself in a manner to keep himself in front of the window while he draws his gun and executes the driver. Simple as that.
The cop didn't seem to be leveraging crap.  It looked like he planned to unbuckle the seat belt himself.  How stupid can you get(the cop, not SDK).  That alone should be proof the cop didn't feel threatened.

Also, the union saying he should be reinstated should make the members of that union revolt.   I certainly wouldn't want someone like that in a pro org I belonged to.  the union really needs to understand when to step back and not associate.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 01, 2015, 08:48:24 PM
The guy starts the car. The cop leverages himself in a manner to keep himself in front of the window while he draws his gun and executes the driver. Simple as that.
in front of the window....on the side of the car?

keep in mind he was moving to arrest the guy, who was totally at fault for escalating the interaction attempting to flee. I mean people need to step back and examine all the facts and who is escalating the conflict and take a hard look at the timing of things.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 01, 2015, 10:02:04 PM
I'm generally on the side of the law, but in this case I do believe it wasn't justified to pull his weapon. He was going to leave the scene, but the cop had no reason to believe the guy was a threat to anyone, and he had no reason to believe his life was in danger. No weapon and was never threatened or physically attacked. He needed to get back in his car and follow the suspect.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 01, 2015, 10:25:35 PM
The guy starts the car. The cop leverages himself in a manner to keep himself in front of the window while he draws his gun and executes the driver. Simple as that.
in front of the window....on the side of the car?

keep in mind he was moving to arrest the guy, who was totally at fault for escalating the interaction attempting to flee. I mean people need to step back and examine all the facts and who is escalating the conflict and take a hard look at the timing of things.
You don't get to jump into a moving car and kill a guy in self defense. Sorry.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on August 02, 2015, 11:00:59 AM
Tennessee v. Garner
commonly called the fleeing felon rule, but it isn't clear if this was a felony per Ohio statute

i think it's pretty clear that it wasn't.
so dragging a cop with your car isn't using it (the car) as a weapon?  these are the hard questions that need to be answered.

there's a difference between dragging and a dumbass trying to hold on to a moving vehicle.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on August 02, 2015, 11:37:31 AM
The second tape from the other officers body cam has a minute long convo between the two where the shooter keeps telling the other cop he was being dragged and thought he was going get run over and the other cop kept saying "I know I saw that are you ok?". Really eerie like they were acting for the camera to somehow justify what had just occured.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Frankenklein on August 02, 2015, 12:23:09 PM
I saw that tape ww,it was really poor acting,their department needs to hire a new acting coach.Also i would think it would be hard to pull your gun and reach up through the window for a head shot while being dragged.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 02, 2015, 03:11:45 PM
The guy starts the car. The cop leverages himself in a manner to keep himself in front of the window while he draws his gun and executes the driver. Simple as that.
in front of the window....on the side of the car?

keep in mind he was moving to arrest the guy, who was totally at fault for escalating the interaction attempting to flee. I mean people need to step back and examine all the facts and who is escalating the conflict and take a hard look at the timing of things.

Did you watch the video without audio or something? The cop couldn't have been a bigger dick.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 02, 2015, 03:40:08 PM
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on August 03, 2015, 12:53:48 AM
Are cops reeeaaaally blasting black men left and right? I found this link. http://killedbypolice.net/

Then I clicked through 10 random links inside this page. 7 of them were without question justified, the other 3 were where a guy got in a car accident with a police car, some guy on drugs who died in custody, and another guy on drugs who jumped out of an ambulance (lol).

Media is still using this link to push their cops kill black people narrative. If anything this link shows police face a ton of crap (other times they get into crap wasn't included if nobody died). So why push them when they're already on an edge?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on August 03, 2015, 08:04:10 AM
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2015, 08:10:06 AM
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.

He was fleeing. He started up the car before he got shot. The cop went nuts when he put the car in gear.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 03, 2015, 08:13:15 AM
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This was my take too

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2015, 09:45:51 AM
I considered starting the car and putting the car in drive to be the start of an attempt to flee.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on August 03, 2015, 09:52:52 AM
It seems obvious to me that the guy was going to try and drive off.  It doesn't seem obvious that the cop was about to be dragged to death. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: brandochav on August 03, 2015, 10:05:05 AM
The guy starts the car. The cop leverages himself in a manner to keep himself in front of the window while he draws his gun and executes the driver. Simple as that.
in front of the window....on the side of the car?

keep in mind he was moving to arrest the guy, who was totally at fault for escalating the interaction attempting to flee. I mean people need to step back and examine all the facts and who is escalating the conflict and take a hard look at the timing of things.

Really? Are you trying to use the potential imminence as a justification for of an action that has legal precedence specifically stating that officers cannot use deadly force for it? While at the same time not stepping back and examining the recent national context of police officer conduct on our communities?  In what world is anything that young man did equatable to the escalation of an immediate execution? GTFO

You think you're being reasonable, but it's really only bias. Every time this happens, and it happens a lot, people try to over-analyze the situation to justify the officer's actions when cumulative data tells us there's a larger, real problem going on in America and it's not terrorism or some farming community living on a large oil deposit in the Middle-East...it's our own policing culture (among others). 

*Note: Out of all the officers I've met in Kansas, 98% were good people. Hell, one is a good buddy, but he has kind of echoed this same thing to me...there's a culture of "us vs. them".
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 03, 2015, 10:16:03 AM
His acting buddy should be fired too.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 03, 2015, 11:05:01 AM
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.

You guys don't need to try and justify what the victim did or didn't do here, the cop was wrong and the video is all the proof you need. The fact is he refused to turn over his driver's license, so he was probably going to be frisked. He started the car and put it in gear which would indicate he was going to flee the scene. The guy would be alive if he cooperated with the cop.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
The guy starts the car. The cop leverages himself in a manner to keep himself in front of the window while he draws his gun and executes the driver. Simple as that.
in front of the window....on the side of the car?

keep in mind he was moving to arrest the guy, who was totally at fault for escalating the interaction attempting to flee. I mean people need to step back and examine all the facts and who is escalating the conflict and take a hard look at the timing of things.

Did you watch the video without audio or something? The cop couldn't have been a bigger dick.
This is just laughably silly. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 11:20:53 AM
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2015, 11:23:01 AM
The guy would be alive if he cooperated with the cop.

maybe
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2015, 11:41:03 AM
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.

People are convicting this cop because he shot a man in the head for putting his car into gear.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 03, 2015, 01:00:00 PM
What is the protocol for an officer asking someone to get out of their car? Are they supposed to ask the person to get out of the car or are they supposed to open the door themselves and take the person's seat belt off of them instead of asking?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2015, 01:14:38 PM
What is the protocol for an officer asking someone to get out of their car? Are they supposed to ask the person to get out of the car or are they supposed to open the door themselves and take the person's seat belt off of them instead of asking?

I guess it just depends on whether he finds an unopened bottle of booze or not.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 01:20:20 PM
edn, do you think the film "Judge Dredd" is a documentary?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on August 03, 2015, 01:37:11 PM
What is the protocol for an officer asking someone to get out of their car? Are they supposed to ask the person to get out of the car or are they supposed to open the door themselves and take the person's seat belt off of them instead of asking?

you let them know your intention so they don't drag you down the road when you try to reach in and remove them from the vehicle.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 01:38:38 PM
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.

People are convicting this cop because he shot a man in the head for putting his car into gear.
Yeah it was only for putting his car into gear, nothing else. A little bit of personal responsibility is not required living in civil society.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 01:39:26 PM
edn, do you think the film "Judge Dredd" is a documentary?
yeah I've got 3 lawgivers myself.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 01:42:55 PM
I gotta say I'm constantly amazed at people's inability to apply a little bit of critical thinking to these situations.  Like this situation wouldn't have turned out differently if Dubose produced his license or at the very least wasn't combative with a lawful order.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2015, 01:45:30 PM
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.

People are convicting this cop because he shot a man in the head for putting his car into gear.
Yeah it was only for putting his car into gear, nothing else. A little bit of personal responsibility is not required living in civil society.

True. He also was missing a license plate and may have had an expired driver's license. Oh, and he had an unopened bottle of booze in the vehicle.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2015, 01:47:13 PM
I gotta say I'm constantly amazed at people's inability to apply a little bit of critical thinking to these situations.  Like this situation wouldn't have turned out differently if Dubose produced his license or at the very least wasn't combative with a lawful order.

I'm sure most murderers are pissed off about something and wouldn't have pulled the trigger if their victims would have treated them better.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 01:50:15 PM
everyone knows that there are steps you can take to decrease the chances of a cop murdering you. the fact that we have to know that and do that is the problem.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on August 03, 2015, 01:53:10 PM
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.
The cop shot someone in the head and killed him instantly. In what world is that the appropriate action for dealing with a dude that didn't have his DL and an unopened bottle of booze? This cop used zero % of his training (if he even had much training, being a campus cop and all)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 01:53:20 PM
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.

People are convicting this cop because he shot a man in the head for putting his car into gear.
Yeah it was only for putting his car into gear, nothing else. A little bit of personal responsibility is not required living in civil society.

True. He also was missing a license plate and may have had an expired driver's license. Oh, and he had an unopened bottle of booze in the vehicle.

Because minor traffic violations never go anywhere....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/memphis-officer-killed-traffic-stop/

especially when the suspect becomes even more suspicious and combative ignoring lawful orders
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 03, 2015, 01:55:17 PM
everyone knows that there are steps you can take to decrease the chances of a cop murdering you. the fact that we have to know that and do that is the problem.

very good post
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on August 03, 2015, 01:56:46 PM


Because minor traffic violations never go anywhere....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/memphis-officer-killed-traffic-stop/

especially when the suspect becomes even more suspicious and combative ignoring lawful orders

Agreed. All citizens should be treated as hostile and guilty until proven innocent. The cop in Memphis should have already had his gun drawn, and every cop in America should do the same thing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 02:45:01 PM


Because minor traffic violations never go anywhere....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/memphis-officer-killed-traffic-stop/

especially when the suspect becomes even more suspicious and combative ignoring lawful orders

Agreed. All citizens should be treated as hostile and guilty until proven innocent. The cop in Memphis should have already had his gun drawn, and every cop in America should do the same thing.

Exactly or we can go full dumbass and say stuff like "The cop shot someone in the head and killed him instantly..." while ignoring the rest of the video and making it seem like the cop executed him.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 02:46:05 PM
everyone knows that there are steps you can take to decrease the chances of a cop murdering you. the fact that we have to know that and do that is the problem.

very good post

yeah, not really if you value acting like a responsible adult and believe that just because a cop kills someone it isn't murder.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2015, 02:51:52 PM


Because minor traffic violations never go anywhere....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/memphis-officer-killed-traffic-stop/

especially when the suspect becomes even more suspicious and combative ignoring lawful orders

Agreed. All citizens should be treated as hostile and guilty until proven innocent. The cop in Memphis should have already had his gun drawn, and every cop in America should do the same thing.

Exactly or we can go full dumbass and say stuff like "The cop shot someone in the head and killed him instantly..." while ignoring the rest of the video and making it seem like the cop executed him.

The cop did execute him. His bodycam filmed it. I guess if you are a psychopath, you could say that the rest of the footage justifies the execution.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 02:59:18 PM


Because minor traffic violations never go anywhere....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/memphis-officer-killed-traffic-stop/

especially when the suspect becomes even more suspicious and combative ignoring lawful orders

Agreed. All citizens should be treated as hostile and guilty until proven innocent. The cop in Memphis should have already had his gun drawn, and every cop in America should do the same thing.

Exactly or we can go full dumbass and say stuff like "The cop shot someone in the head and killed him instantly..." while ignoring the rest of the video and making it seem like the cop executed him.

The cop did execute him. His bodycam filmed it. I guess if you are a psychopath, you could say that the rest of the footage justifies the execution.
LOL yeah anyone who disagrees with you is a psychopath.  Are you a freshman who just had your eyes opened in your first 101 class? 

The reality is this is one second short off murder and one second off a clean shoot.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 03, 2015, 03:14:20 PM
everyone knows that there are steps you can take to decrease the chances of a cop murdering you. the fact that we have to know that and do that is the problem.

The first step is don't be black.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 03, 2015, 03:16:46 PM
Yep.  The second step is be impervious to bullets.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2015, 03:19:13 PM
The reality is this is one second short off murder and one second off a clean shoot.

no one but shitty cops knows what this means
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 03:20:18 PM
the fact that he could even draw and dome that dude in less than a second shows that he was just itching for it
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 03:21:50 PM
the fact that the video totally debunks this guy's fabricated story doesn't make you shy away from defending him?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 03, 2015, 03:22:37 PM
That guy has been practicing for this the entire 6 months it took him to get his uni cop certificate.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 03:23:12 PM
he lied and his cop bros lied and if there wasn't the video it would be case closed, mission accomplished.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 03:26:32 PM
the fact that he could even draw and dome that dude in less than a second shows that he was just itching for it
Or the fact that its hours of muscle memory training at play...but don't let the basic premise of how cops train effect your misconceptions.

the fact that the video totally debunks this guy's fabricated story doesn't make you shy away from defending him?
How does it debunk his story?  The fact is I'm sure he thought that Dubose was fleeing as he shot him.  I'm also sure he thought he was being dragged.  That doesn't invalidate his perception, but it does show his perception was wrong.  Further there is a pretty good argument that he was dragged slightly.  And as facetious as that sounds, how long does a cop need to be dragged before they are under threat of bodily harm from a deadly weapon?  Stop and think about that and maybe Michigan can think about that point as well.  Many are ducking what the actual statutes say about assaults with a deadly, but that is the key issue here. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 03:27:54 PM
That guy has been practicing for this the entire 6 months it took him to get his uni cop certificate.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 03, 2015, 03:28:05 PM
That guy would be a cop manager in 2 yrs if there weren't cams.  High fives, celebratory beers, and lots of racist jokes all around without that cam.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 03, 2015, 03:28:35 PM
I don't know a lot about the law here. Like, I don't know when the law says it's ok to use your gun or kill people. I do know that if this is a time where the law says killing that guy was ok then the law is wrong and has to be changed. because that was not ok or anywhere near ok.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2015, 03:29:41 PM
the fact that he could even draw and dome that dude in less than a second shows that he was just itching for it
Or the fact that its hours of muscle memory training at play...but don't let the basic premise of how cops train effect your misconceptions.   

yeah that's a definite cop training problem but does not excuse blasting this dude in the face.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 03, 2015, 03:31:12 PM
I'd like to know yard dog's take on the matter
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2015, 03:32:07 PM
Like, let's do more training on how to handle traffic stops peacefully and less training on pulling your gun as fast as possible. just spitballing here, I'm open to suggestions.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 03:33:00 PM
the fact that he could even draw and dome that dude in less than a second shows that he was just itching for it
Or the fact that its hours of muscle memory training at play...but don't let the basic premise of how cops train effect your misconceptions.

i have a problem that cops are trained as warriors. fighting and killing drilled into them until it is an instinct. if he had trained half as diligently in communication, problem solving, empathy, and conflict resolution that guy would be alive and we would be pitting about something else
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 03:34:26 PM
the fact that the video totally debunks this guy's fabricated story doesn't make you shy away from defending him?
How does it debunk his story?  The fact is I'm sure he thought that Dubose was fleeing as he shot him.  I'm also sure he thought he was being dragged.  That doesn't invalidate his perception, but it does show his perception was wrong.  Further there is a pretty good argument that he was dragged slightly.  And as facetious as that sounds, how long does a cop need to be dragged before they are under threat of bodily harm from a deadly weapon?  Stop and think about that and maybe Michigan can think about that point as well.  Many are ducking what the actual statutes say about assaults with a deadly, but that is the key issue here.

i havent personally done a frame by frame analysis, but his story was that he was being dragged so he shot the guy and people seem to think that the car didnt start moving until after he shot.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 03:37:07 PM
the fact that he could even draw and dome that dude in less than a second shows that he was just itching for it
Or the fact that its hours of muscle memory training at play...but don't let the basic premise of how cops train effect your misconceptions.

i have a problem that cops are trained as warriors. fighting and killing drilled into them until it is an instinct. if he had trained half as diligently in communication, problem solving, empathy, and conflict resolution that guy would be alive and we would be pitting about something else

And that absurd to think that cops need to be dragged around the hood for a minimum "x" laps before they can respond, because that is what you're advocating. The cop used fair, polite, firm commands to get what was legally required to drive.  The guy became combative and chose to escalate the situation through rhetoric and actions.  The cop never raised his voice and politely ordered the guy out of the vehicle (another lawful order).  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim.  The best critique you have is that he should have got back in his car to initiate a pursuit through a neighborhood, and think about how stupid that sounds.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 03:38:36 PM
  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 03:39:09 PM
the fact that the video totally debunks this guy's fabricated story doesn't make you shy away from defending him?
How does it debunk his story?  The fact is I'm sure he thought that Dubose was fleeing as he shot him.  I'm also sure he thought he was being dragged.  That doesn't invalidate his perception, but it does show his perception was wrong.  Further there is a pretty good argument that he was dragged slightly.  And as facetious as that sounds, how long does a cop need to be dragged before they are under threat of bodily harm from a deadly weapon?  Stop and think about that and maybe Michigan can think about that point as well.  Many are ducking what the actual statutes say about assaults with a deadly, but that is the key issue here.

i havent personally done a frame by frame analysis, but his story was that he was being dragged so he shot the guy and people seem to think that the car didnt start moving until after he shot.

So you haven't even bothered to look at the links posted and are only going off your feelz.  (hint I posted a link where you can literally go frame by frame)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 03:40:59 PM
  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho
Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 03:43:18 PM
  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho
Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.

i am talking more generally about the time police devote to training weapons, combat, and tactics in comparison to training de-escalating irate citizens after common traffic stops.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 03:47:22 PM
whatever happened to that old dentist insurance exec who killed that guy by accident instead of unnecessarily tazing him?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2015, 03:49:18 PM
And that absurd to think that cops need to be dragged around the hood for a minimum "x" laps before they can respond, because that is what you're advocating. The cop used fair, polite, firm commands to get what was legally required to drive.  The guy became combative and chose to escalate the situation through rhetoric and actions.  The cop never raised his voice and politely ordered the guy out of the vehicle (another lawful order).  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim.  The best critique you have is that he should have got back in his car to initiate a pursuit through a neighborhood, and think about how stupid that sounds.

LOL the cop was not being polite at all. He was totally hostile and impatient.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho
Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.

i am talking more generally about the time police devote to training weapons, combat, and tactics in comparison to training de-escalating irate citizens after common traffic stops.

Look you can make a legitimate critique about concerns of too many vets applying their .mil background to police work and the use of .mil tech in general policing.  But you can't apply those concerns to this stop.  It's rough ridin' foolish to say that this cop wasn't reasonable up to the point of the struggle.  Don't want front plate laws, talk to the legislature.  It's a primary offense and a reasonable stop in high crime neighborhoods. http://spotcrime.com/oh/cincinnati 

I would ask this: what else do you believe the cop should have done up to the point of reaching in the car door?  Lets just start their.  In no way, IMO, can you say he wasn't polite, firm, but fair with his requests and demeanor.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 03, 2015, 03:49:54 PM
  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho
Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.
The guy was not combative.  I mean he was running away for fucks sake.  That is basically the literal opposite of combative. 

Maybe cops need training on understanding what being drug actually is.  I mean, he can't shoot someone based on what he thinks will eventually happen rather than what is.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
i'm not talking about vets. im talking about police training to be warriors.


this is a real problem! i watched an episode of vice about it!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2015, 03:53:08 PM
whatever happened to that old dentist insurance exec who killed that guy by accident instead of unnecessarily tazing him?

this guy?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/1105/Mehserle-verdict-Johannes-Mehserle-sentencing-stuns-Oscar-Grant-supporters-sparks-riots-in-Oakland
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 03:55:19 PM
i mean just look at this photograph of a cop training for a routine traffic stop

(http://www.everythingaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/swat-movie.jpg)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 03:55:35 PM
  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho
Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.
The guy was not combative.  I mean he was running away for fucks sake.  That is basically the literal opposite of combative. 

Maybe cops need training on understanding what being drug actually is.  I mean, he can't shoot someone based on what he thinks will eventually happen rather than what is.

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Refusing to say where your license is? Refusing to produce a necessary document that allows you to drive?  In a smart aleck fashion telling the cop to run his name?  Pulling the door shut as the cop lawfully tries to extricate him from the car?  Stop and watch the video at the very least.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2015, 03:56:33 PM
  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho
Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.
The guy was not combative.  I mean he was running away for fucks sake.  That is basically the literal opposite of combative. 

Maybe cops need training on understanding what being drug actually is.  I mean, he can't shoot someone based on what he thinks will eventually happen rather than what is.

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Refusing to say where your license is? Refusing to produce a necessary document that allows you to drive?  In a smart aleck fashion telling the cop to run his name?  Pulling the door shut as the cop lawfully tries to extricate him from the car?  Stop and watch the video at the very least.

you're insane
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
whatever happened to that old dentist insurance exec who killed that guy by accident instead of unnecessarily tazing him?

this guy?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/1105/Mehserle-verdict-Johannes-Mehserle-sentencing-stuns-Oscar-Grant-supporters-sparks-riots-in-Oakland

nope, this guy!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/13/the-73-year-old-reserve-cop-who-mistook-his-gun-for-a-taser/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/13/the-73-year-old-reserve-cop-who-mistook-his-gun-for-a-taser/)

possible copycat killer?!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 03, 2015, 03:59:15 PM
I really hope EDN is trolling our assess off

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 04:00:02 PM
  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho
Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.
The guy was not combative.  I mean he was running away for fucks sake.  That is basically the literal opposite of combative. 

Maybe cops need training on understanding what being drug actually is.  I mean, he can't shoot someone based on what he thinks will eventually happen rather than what is.

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Refusing to say where your license is? Refusing to produce a necessary document that allows you to drive?  In a smart aleck fashion telling the cop to run his name?  Pulling the door shut as the cop lawfully tries to extricate him from the car?  Stop and watch the video at the very least.

you're insane

And you can't even have a reasonable conversation about this topic.

As already asked:
I would ask this: what else do you believe the cop should have done up to the point of reaching in the car door?  Lets just start their.  In no way, IMO, can you say he wasn't polite, firm, but fair with his requests and demeanor.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 04:02:18 PM
objective super meta experiment:

google image search "police training (https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1244&bih=954&q=police+training&oq=police+training&gs_l=img.3..0l10.889.2956.0.3090.15.13.0.2.2.1.168.1447.7j6.13.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..1.14.1283.RZmKs-nT99M)"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 04:05:13 PM
  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho
Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.
The guy was not combative.  I mean he was running away for fucks sake.  That is basically the literal opposite of combative. 

Maybe cops need training on understanding what being drug actually is.  I mean, he can't shoot someone based on what he thinks will eventually happen rather than what is.

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Refusing to say where your license is? Refusing to produce a necessary document that allows you to drive?  In a smart aleck fashion telling the cop to run his name?  Pulling the door shut as the cop lawfully tries to extricate him from the car?  Stop and watch the video at the very least.

you're insane

And you can't even have a reasonable conversation about this topic.

As already asked:
I would ask this: what else do you believe the cop should have done up to the point of reaching in the car door?  Lets just start their.  In no way, IMO, can you say he wasn't polite, firm, but fair with his requests and demeanor.

he should have politely and firmly stated that if the suspect turned the ignition and put the car into gear he would shoot him in the head.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MeatSauce on August 03, 2015, 04:07:07 PM
is it normal for University police to make traffic stops?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 04:10:07 PM
is it normal for University police to make traffic stops?

in their jurisdiction, yes.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 04:10:27 PM
  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho
Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.
The guy was not combative.  I mean he was running away for fucks sake.  That is basically the literal opposite of combative. 

Maybe cops need training on understanding what being drug actually is.  I mean, he can't shoot someone based on what he thinks will eventually happen rather than what is.

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Refusing to say where your license is? Refusing to produce a necessary document that allows you to drive?  In a smart aleck fashion telling the cop to run his name?  Pulling the door shut as the cop lawfully tries to extricate him from the car?  Stop and watch the video at the very least.

you're insane

And you can't even have a reasonable conversation about this topic.

As already asked:
I would ask this: what else do you believe the cop should have done up to the point of reaching in the car door?  Lets just start their.  In no way, IMO, can you say he wasn't polite, firm, but fair with his requests and demeanor.

he should have politely and firmly stated that if the suspect turned the ignition and put the car into gear he would shoot him in the head.

https://www.facebook.com/CopHumor/videos/916574088355055/
your world?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 04:14:11 PM
https://www.facebook.com/CopHumor/videos/916574088355055/
your world?

haha

  at what point would you have shot him, though?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2015, 04:14:58 PM
As already asked:
I would ask this: what else do you believe the cop should have done up to the point of reaching in the car door?  Lets just start their.  In no way, IMO, can you say he wasn't polite, firm, but fair with his requests and demeanor.

As I said earlier, I think he could have been less hostile and let the guy speak, for starters. He was interrupting and was hostile and impatient. He also could have asked for the guys information and called it in to verify his license status (I'm guessing driving w/o a license on you carries a less severe punishment than driving with a suspended license). If that was not an option, he could have asked the guy to step out of the car (before opening the door). I'm not sure why he would need to have the guy get out of his car, but asking him would have been a far better option than reaching for the door and seatbelt.  That's just a start, I'm sure more could have been done.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 03, 2015, 04:59:13 PM
https://www.facebook.com/CopHumor/videos/916574088355055/
your world?

haha

  at what point would you have shot him, though?

Honest and tough question.  I'm not sure, but I would be in favor of calling it a clean shoot if the guy ran and the cop was dragged for some distance, particularly if stuck/attached to the car.  I think that fleeing in itself isn't necessarily a crime to be shot for, but endangering the safety of the public and the officer is.  Its a hard counter factual to answer, but I think Dubose was looking to flee the scene.  If the cop is simply knocked down, than no, get in your cruiser and pursue.  You have a faster car and a radio for that reason.  If the cop is dragged and Dubose has no interest in stopping, he is taking his life into his hands at that point.   
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 03, 2015, 05:04:30 PM
What about Intent to Flee? Death Penalty?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: chum1 on August 03, 2015, 05:10:06 PM
It's nice to have K-S-U-W posting again?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 03, 2015, 05:23:18 PM
The officer should have repeated himself and held fort until back up got there.  When he realized the car would take off soon, he should have verbally addressed that with the guy.   He should have done pretty much anything other than what he did.  I mean, worse case a guy without a license gets away that day....

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 03, 2015, 05:51:33 PM
most non-murderous humans don't even need training to know that if you're holding onto a car door and the car starts slowly moving that letting go of the door is a more ethical way to avoid being dragged than shooting the car's driver in the head.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 03, 2015, 05:55:15 PM
I really hope EDN is trolling our assess off

nope, he really is a monster.  he has a history on this board.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on August 03, 2015, 06:12:23 PM
EDN has no rough ridin' clue what proper procedure is for a traffic stop of that nature.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 03, 2015, 06:18:34 PM
I really hope EDN is trolling our assess off

nope, he really is a monster.  he has a history on this board.

Monster combined with total idiot
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 03, 2015, 09:03:12 PM
Poor cop was just a second away from a clean kill.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 03, 2015, 09:10:29 PM
Yeah, too bad he couldn't let himself drag an inch or two.  I mean, if he wasn't such a gunslinger, and his draw wasn't so fast, he could have been a hero right now.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 03, 2015, 09:10:58 PM
I meant a hero to all, not just to EDN

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on August 03, 2015, 10:44:47 PM
So ummmm that bottle of booze was actually a bottle of shitty homemade perfume.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coroner-ohio-motorist-shot-cop-had-bottle-fragrance-205256849.html

So he still deserved instant death, yeah?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 03, 2015, 10:58:48 PM
You obviously missed the part where the cop asked him for his license and the guy said he didn't have it.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on August 03, 2015, 11:15:38 PM
Im sure his cell mates will treat him with the same civility and respect he showed.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 12:10:53 AM
So ummmm that bottle of booze was actually a bottle of shitty homemade perfume.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coroner-ohio-motorist-shot-cop-had-bottle-fragrance-205256849.html

So he still deserved instant death, yeah?

Good thing it was clearly labeled.  How does this rough ridin' matter? 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 12:11:17 AM
I really hope EDN is trolling our assess off

nope, he really is a monster.  he has a history on this board.

Monster combined with total idiot

Run along child
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 12:12:48 AM
Poor cop was just a second away from a clean kill.
Yep that is exactly what I said.  Because traffic stops only go bad because of police actions and worse crimes are never found out about during routine traffic stops.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on August 04, 2015, 04:25:52 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/03/report-sam-dubose-shot-by-cop-had-two-pounds-of-marijuana-and-thousands-in-cash-in-his-car/

With OP's logic you might as well change the title of this thread to "best to avoid all black people"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 04, 2015, 08:27:01 AM
So ummmm that bottle of booze was actually a bottle of shitty homemade perfume.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coroner-ohio-motorist-shot-cop-had-bottle-fragrance-205256849.html

So he still deserved instant death, yeah?

Good thing it was clearly labeled.  How does this rough ridin' matter?

It never mattered in the first place, unless Cincinnati has prohibition. That didn't stop you from pointing out the bottle of booze multiple times to try to call it a "clean shoot".
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: everyone shut up on August 04, 2015, 09:08:03 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/03/report-sam-dubose-shot-by-cop-had-two-pounds-of-marijuana-and-thousands-in-cash-in-his-car/

With OP's logic you might as well change the title of this thread to "best to avoid all black people"
Weed and cash = death sentence. Interesting.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on August 04, 2015, 09:10:22 AM
Just read about a Kentucky officer who handcuffed  a little kid who was having a fit?  It's sad.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 04, 2015, 09:43:05 AM
Poor cop was just a second away from a clean kill.
Yep that is exactly what I said.  Because traffic stops only go bad because of police actions and worse crimes are never found out about during routine traffic stops.

And then it's time to judge/jury/executioner them!

I get it that you have friend/family in law enforcement and they are probably very nice people.  But if you will defend that psycho's murder than I am not sure you are really not very objective.

Just know that in the future, with body/dash cams hopefully becoming mandatory, there will likely be a lucrative market for experts to offer testimony that even the most unjustified killing is "justified" because the perception of impending harm and you might even be able to get in on that cottage industry.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 04, 2015, 09:44:14 AM
Just read about a Kentucky officer who handcuffed  a handicapped little kid who was having a fit?  It's sad.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 01:30:57 PM
Just read about a Kentucky officer who handcuffed  a handicapped little kid who was having a fit?  It's sad.

i think most cops will agree that he deserved the death penalty so he should be thankful for getting off that easy.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on August 04, 2015, 01:31:43 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/03/report-sam-dubose-shot-by-cop-had-two-pounds-of-marijuana-and-thousands-in-cash-in-his-car/

With OP's logic you might as well change the title of this thread to "best to avoid all black people"
Weed and cash = death sentence. Interesting.

In some countries it is!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 01:36:43 PM
So ummmm that bottle of booze was actually a bottle of shitty homemade perfume.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coroner-ohio-motorist-shot-cop-had-bottle-fragrance-205256849.html

So he still deserved instant death, yeah?

Good thing it was clearly labeled.  How does this rough ridin' matter?

It never mattered in the first place, unless Cincinnati has prohibition. That didn't stop you from pointing out the bottle of booze multiple times to try to call it a "clean shoot".

You're seriously a rough ridin' idiot.  That was never part of the equation for making it a "clean shoot".  It was an example of the escalating acts by Dubose before the actual incident.  I've always made it very clear to people with a <3rd grade reading level the potential dragging was the aggravating act.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 01:40:35 PM
Poor cop was just a second away from a clean kill.
Yep that is exactly what I said.  Because traffic stops only go bad because of police actions and worse crimes are never found out about during routine traffic stops.

And then it's time to judge/jury/executioner them!

I get it that you have friend/family in law enforcement and they are probably very nice people.  But if you will defend that psycho's murder than I am not sure you are really not very objective.

Just know that in the future, with body/dash cams hopefully becoming mandatory, there will likely be a lucrative market for experts to offer testimony that even the most unjustified killing is "justified" because the perception of impending harm and you might even be able to get in on that cottage industry.

yeah except that isn't what is happening here.  If people cared to read posts instead of inventing an opposition to argue against you'd realize that I think this is pretty much too close to call and all revolves around whether or not you believe being dragged while making a lawful arrest or detainment is an assault with a deadly weapon.  Further the Ohio statutes dealing with that are vague and subject to interpretation.  But don't bother to read posts, I'll wait for you to stuff your next strawman.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 01:42:50 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/03/report-sam-dubose-shot-by-cop-had-two-pounds-of-marijuana-and-thousands-in-cash-in-his-car/

With OP's logic you might as well change the title of this thread to "best to avoid all black people"
will wait for a credible news source (because Breitbart has even planted evidence before)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 01:45:29 PM
Ed, can you give an example of a fatal police shooting in recent history that was not justified?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on August 04, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
So ummmm that bottle of booze was actually a bottle of shitty homemade perfume.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coroner-ohio-motorist-shot-cop-had-bottle-fragrance-205256849.html

So he still deserved instant death, yeah?

Good thing it was clearly labeled.  How does this rough ridin' matter?

It never mattered in the first place, unless Cincinnati has prohibition. That didn't stop you from pointing out the bottle of booze multiple times to try to call it a "clean shoot".

You're seriously a rough ridin' idiot.  That was never part of the equation for making it a "clean shoot".  It was an example of the escalating acts by Dubose before the actual incident.  I've always made it very clear to people with a <3rd grade reading level the potential dragging was the aggravating act.

The potential to be dragged does not authorize deadly force. You're out of your element, Donny.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 01:48:29 PM
So ummmm that bottle of booze was actually a bottle of shitty homemade perfume.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coroner-ohio-motorist-shot-cop-had-bottle-fragrance-205256849.html

So he still deserved instant death, yeah?

Good thing it was clearly labeled.  How does this rough ridin' matter?

It never mattered in the first place, unless Cincinnati has prohibition. That didn't stop you from pointing out the bottle of booze multiple times to try to call it a "clean shoot".

You're seriously a rough ridin' idiot.  That was never part of the equation for making it a "clean shoot".  It was an example of the escalating acts by Dubose before the actual incident.  I've always made it very clear to people with a <3rd grade reading level the potential dragging was the aggravating act.

The potential to be dragged does not authorize deadly force. You're out of your element, Donny.
I can't wait to just run up to any moving car, jam my arm through the window, and stand my ground.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 01:52:32 PM
Ed, can you give an example of a fatal police shooting in recent history that was not justified?

I think it was out of Texas where the cop got on the hood and fired directly into the windshield/driver of the vehicle.  I'll look for it, I had trouble finding the footage the other day.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 01:53:09 PM
So ummmm that bottle of booze was actually a bottle of shitty homemade perfume.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coroner-ohio-motorist-shot-cop-had-bottle-fragrance-205256849.html

So he still deserved instant death, yeah?

Good thing it was clearly labeled.  How does this rough ridin' matter?

It never mattered in the first place, unless Cincinnati has prohibition. That didn't stop you from pointing out the bottle of booze multiple times to try to call it a "clean shoot".

You're seriously a rough ridin' idiot.  That was never part of the equation for making it a "clean shoot".  It was an example of the escalating acts by Dubose before the actual incident.  I've always made it very clear to people with a <3rd grade reading level the potential dragging was the aggravating act.

The potential to be dragged does not authorize deadly force. You're out of your element, Donny.

You should tell the Ohio legislature to update their statutes than.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 01:53:54 PM
So ummmm that bottle of booze was actually a bottle of shitty homemade perfume.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coroner-ohio-motorist-shot-cop-had-bottle-fragrance-205256849.html

So he still deserved instant death, yeah?

Good thing it was clearly labeled.  How does this rough ridin' matter?

It never mattered in the first place, unless Cincinnati has prohibition. That didn't stop you from pointing out the bottle of booze multiple times to try to call it a "clean shoot".

You're seriously a rough ridin' idiot.  That was never part of the equation for making it a "clean shoot".  It was an example of the escalating acts by Dubose before the actual incident.  I've always made it very clear to people with a <3rd grade reading level the potential dragging was the aggravating act.

The potential to be dragged does not authorize deadly force. You're out of your element, Donny.
I can't wait to just run up to any moving car, jam my arm through the window, and stand my ground.

Are you a cop attempting to affect a lawful detainment or arrest?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 04, 2015, 02:00:04 PM
So ummmm that bottle of booze was actually a bottle of shitty homemade perfume.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coroner-ohio-motorist-shot-cop-had-bottle-fragrance-205256849.html

So he still deserved instant death, yeah?

Good thing it was clearly labeled.  How does this rough ridin' matter?

It never mattered in the first place, unless Cincinnati has prohibition. That didn't stop you from pointing out the bottle of booze multiple times to try to call it a "clean shoot".

You're seriously a rough ridin' idiot.  That was never part of the equation for making it a "clean shoot".  It was an example of the escalating acts by Dubose before the actual incident.  I've always made it very clear to people with a <3rd grade reading level the potential dragging was the aggravating act.

The potential to be dragged does not authorize deadly force. You're out of your element, Donny.
I can't wait to just run up to any moving car, jam my arm through the window, and stand my ground.

Are you a cop attempting to affect a lawful detainment or arrest?

What was the cop going to arrest this guy for? An arrest seems a bit excessive for leaving your license at home.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 02:03:37 PM
Are you a cop attempting to affect a lawful detainment or arrest?

no, but i would be a citizen whose life/health was directly under threat
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
So ummmm that bottle of booze was actually a bottle of shitty homemade perfume.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coroner-ohio-motorist-shot-cop-had-bottle-fragrance-205256849.html

So he still deserved instant death, yeah?

Good thing it was clearly labeled.  How does this rough ridin' matter?

It never mattered in the first place, unless Cincinnati has prohibition. That didn't stop you from pointing out the bottle of booze multiple times to try to call it a "clean shoot".

You're seriously a rough ridin' idiot.  That was never part of the equation for making it a "clean shoot".  It was an example of the escalating acts by Dubose before the actual incident.  I've always made it very clear to people with a <3rd grade reading level the potential dragging was the aggravating act.

The potential to be dragged does not authorize deadly force. You're out of your element, Donny.
I can't wait to just run up to any moving car, jam my arm through the window, and stand my ground.

Are you a cop attempting to affect a lawful detainment or arrest?

What was the cop going to arrest this guy for? An arrest seems a bit excessive for leaving your license at home.
Dumb or facetious post
(there is a reason why I put lawful detainment)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 04, 2015, 02:06:47 PM
So ummmm that bottle of booze was actually a bottle of shitty homemade perfume.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coroner-ohio-motorist-shot-cop-had-bottle-fragrance-205256849.html

So he still deserved instant death, yeah?

Good thing it was clearly labeled.  How does this rough ridin' matter?

It never mattered in the first place, unless Cincinnati has prohibition. That didn't stop you from pointing out the bottle of booze multiple times to try to call it a "clean shoot".

You're seriously a rough ridin' idiot.  That was never part of the equation for making it a "clean shoot".  It was an example of the escalating acts by Dubose before the actual incident.  I've always made it very clear to people with a <3rd grade reading level the potential dragging was the aggravating act.

The potential to be dragged does not authorize deadly force. You're out of your element, Donny.
I can't wait to just run up to any moving car, jam my arm through the window, and stand my ground.

Are you a cop attempting to affect a lawful detainment or arrest?

What was the cop going to arrest this guy for? An arrest seems a bit excessive for leaving your license at home.
Dumb or facetious post
(there is a reason why I put lawful detainment)

Why even detain him? Why not believe what he is telling you until you verify he's lying? He had done nothing that warranted more than a ticket unless his license was suspended, and the officer should have let him sit in his car while he figured that out.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 02:07:26 PM
Ed, can you give an example of a fatal police shooting in recent history that was not justified?

I think it was out of Texas where the cop got on the hood and fired directly into the windshield/driver of the vehicle.  I'll look for it, I had trouble finding the footage the other day.

couldnt that car have just driven over him? of course he was justified in jumping on the hood and wasting those (alleged) perps
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 02:08:25 PM
can you take a break from this one and justify the tamir rice shooting?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 02:25:06 PM
can you take a break from this one and justify the tamir rice shooting?
if you want to be bitchy fine, but don't ask legit questions and than act silly.  and yes the rice shooting was bad too (maybe a manslaughter, but not murder since he had the cap gun.)  but the other video is much worse and in my recent memory because the cops got off (jury just recently acquitted I believe).
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 02:26:35 PM
can you take a break from this one and justify the tamir rice shooting?
if you want to be bitchy fine, but don't ask legit questions and than act silly.  and yes the rice shooting was bad too (maybe a manslaughter, but not murder since he had the cap gun.)  but the other video is much worse and in my recent memory because the cops got off (jury just recently acquitted I believe).

i'm not being bitchy, i'm honestly incredulous that you think the cops should be killing these people and i honestly want to know where your line is.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 02:31:33 PM

Why even detain him? Why not believe what he is telling you until you verify he's lying? He had done nothing that warranted more than a ticket unless his license was suspended, and the officer should have let him sit in his car while he figured that out.
Because they are in a bad neighborhood and you usually don't trust people who can't give reasonable answers and become combative?  It isn't unreasonable to detain someone to ascertain their identity and Dubose did nothing to act in a reasonable manner to relieve the cop's suspensions that he might have been driving illegally.  He was coy about the car, indirect about his license status, and was playing childish games about why he was pulled over.  Does any of that warrant a shot to the head, no obviously not.  Does that warrant a simple detainment so the cop can determine if he is in further violation of the law, yes.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 04, 2015, 02:35:27 PM

Why even detain him? Why not believe what he is telling you until you verify he's lying? He had done nothing that warranted more than a ticket unless his license was suspended, and the officer should have let him sit in his car while he figured that out.
Because they are in a bad neighborhood and you usually don't trust people who can't give reasonable answers and become combative?  It isn't unreasonable to detain someone to ascertain their identity and Dubose did nothing to act in a reasonable manner to relieve the cop's suspensions that he might have been driving illegally.  He was coy about the car, indirect about his license status, and was playing childish games about why he was pulled over.  Does any of that warrant a shot to the head, no obviously not.  Does that warrant a simple detainment so the cop can determine if he is in further violation of the law, yes.

What did he do that you would call combative?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 02:36:05 PM
can you take a break from this one and justify the tamir rice shooting?
if you want to be bitchy fine, but don't ask legit questions and than act silly.  and yes the rice shooting was bad too (maybe a manslaughter, but not murder since he had the cap gun.)  but the other video is much worse and in my recent memory because the cops got off (jury just recently acquitted I believe).

i'm not being bitchy, i'm honestly incredulous that you think the cops should be killing these people and i honestly want to know where your line is.

Where did I say he should have been killed?  Just because I think your anti-cop position is ridiculous doesn't mean I support this shooting as I've made abundantly clear.  Just because you choose to see my position critiquing your views as a defense of the cop is your problem.  Try some self examination.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on August 04, 2015, 02:41:29 PM
can you take a break from this one and justify the tamir rice shooting?
if you want to be bitchy fine, but don't ask legit questions and than act silly.  and yes the rice shooting was bad too (maybe a manslaughter, but not murder since he had the cap gun.)  but the other video is much worse and in my recent memory because the cops got off (jury just recently acquitted I believe).

i'm not being bitchy, i'm honestly incredulous that you think the cops should be killing these people and i honestly want to know where your line is.

Where did I say he should have been killed?  Just because I think your anti-cop position is ridiculous doesn't mean I support this shooting as I've made abundantly clear.  Just because you choose to see my position critiquing your views as a defense of the cop is your problem.  Try some self examination.

None of us are anti-cop. however, we're all anti-cops murdering people. I don't know your background, but I'm fairly certain that I'm the only one who has participated in this discussion who has been through traffic stop training. You're correct in stating that the cop should have detained our victim. However, that cop's poor training and conduct are what escalated the situation to the point it reached. Citizens are disrespectful and combative to law enforcement on a daily basis, if that guy couldn't perform the job properly, he shouldn't have been in uniform patrolling the streets. You're trying to play devil's advocate in a situation that you can't rough ridin' win. Shut the eff up already, you're making yourself look like a psychopath.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 02:46:05 PM
ed is a cop with at least 5 scalps on his belt
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 02:49:36 PM
can you take a break from this one and justify the tamir rice shooting?
if you want to be bitchy fine, but don't ask legit questions and than act silly.  and yes the rice shooting was bad too (maybe a manslaughter, but not murder since he had the cap gun.)  but the other video is much worse and in my recent memory because the cops got off (jury just recently acquitted I believe).

i'm not being bitchy, i'm honestly incredulous that you think the cops should be killing these people and i honestly want to know where your line is.

Where did I say he should have been killed?  Just because I think your anti-cop position is ridiculous doesn't mean I support this shooting as I've made abundantly clear.  Just because you choose to see my position critiquing your views as a defense of the cop is your problem.  Try some self examination.

None of us are anti-cop. however, we're all anti-cops murdering people. I don't know your background, but I'm fairly certain that I'm the only one who has participated in this discussion who has been through traffic stop training. You're correct in stating that the cop should have detained our victim. However, that cop's poor training and conduct are what escalated the situation to the point it reached. Citizens are disrespectful and combative to law enforcement on a daily basis, if that guy couldn't perform the job properly, he shouldn't have been in uniform patrolling the streets. You're trying to play devil's advocate in a situation that you can't rough ridin' win. Shut the eff up already, you're making yourself look like a psychopath.

The fact that you see it as devil's advocate is half the problem.  Pointing out the numerous problems with your position while ignoring 99% of my position is why you and a few others are whipped up into a frenzy.  Quite frankly that is why the majority of the country can't have an honest discussion about these issues.  You've stuff your strawman and refuse to see the legitimate criticisms associated with your position, especially when it blinds you to the positions others bring that might intersect with your own beliefs.


And no one has yet said where this officer went wrong other than reaching inside the car to unbuckle the guy.  No one has said where this cop escalated the situation inappropriately (other than generic anticop rhetoric from other posters). 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
ed is a cop with at least 5 scalps on his belt
mature post is mature
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slobber on August 04, 2015, 02:52:14 PM
If you think that Dubose was cooperating with that officer, then I would have to respectfully disagree. Yes, the officer should go to jail for murdering him, but a couple of you are acting like Dubose was acting appropriately to the officer, and he was not.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
The fact that you see it as devil's advocate is half the problem.  Pointing out the numerous problems with your position while ignoring 99% of my position is why you and a few others are whipped up into a frenzy.  Quite frankly that is why the majority of the country can't have an honest discussion about these issues.  You've stuff your strawman and refuse to see the legitimate criticisms associated with your position, especially when it blinds you to the positions others bring that might intersect with your own beliefs.


And no one has yet said where this officer went wrong other than reaching inside the car to unbuckle the guy.  No one has said where this cop escalated the situation inappropriately (other than generic anticop rhetoric from other posters).

yeah actually I did

As already asked:
I would ask this: what else do you believe the cop should have done up to the point of reaching in the car door?  Lets just start their.  In no way, IMO, can you say he wasn't polite, firm, but fair with his requests and demeanor.

As I said earlier, I think he could have been less hostile and let the guy speak, for starters. He was interrupting and was hostile and impatient. He also could have asked for the guys information and called it in to verify his license status (I'm guessing driving w/o a license on you carries a less severe punishment than driving with a suspended license). If that was not an option, he could have asked the guy to step out of the car (before opening the door). I'm not sure why he would need to have the guy get out of his car, but asking him would have been a far better option than reaching for the door and seatbelt.  That's just a start, I'm sure more could have been done.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 03:01:19 PM
ed is a cop with at least 5 scalps on his belt
mature post is mature

classic escalating warrior cop post
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 03:01:40 PM
The fact that you see it as devil's advocate is half the problem.  Pointing out the numerous problems with your position while ignoring 99% of my position is why you and a few others are whipped up into a frenzy.  Quite frankly that is why the majority of the country can't have an honest discussion about these issues.  You've stuff your strawman and refuse to see the legitimate criticisms associated with your position, especially when it blinds you to the positions others bring that might intersect with your own beliefs.


And no one has yet said where this officer went wrong other than reaching inside the car to unbuckle the guy.  No one has said where this cop escalated the situation inappropriately (other than generic anticop rhetoric from other posters).

yeah actually I did

As already asked:
I would ask this: what else do you believe the cop should have done up to the point of reaching in the car door?  Lets just start their.  In no way, IMO, can you say he wasn't polite, firm, but fair with his requests and demeanor.

As I said earlier, I think he could have been less hostile and let the guy speak, for starters. He was interrupting and was hostile and impatient. He also could have asked for the guys information and called it in to verify his license status (I'm guessing driving w/o a license on you carries a less severe punishment than driving with a suspended license). If that was not an option, he could have asked the guy to step out of the car (before opening the door). I'm not sure why he would need to have the guy get out of his car, but asking him would have been a far better option than reaching for the door and seatbelt.  That's just a start, I'm sure more could have been done.
Fair enough, I do even remember reading that. I was wrong to lump you in, although I disagree with you on the interrupting part being an escalation.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 03:02:35 PM
ed is a cop with at least 5 scalps on his belt
mature post is mature

classic escalating warrior cop post

One of us was interested in a real discussion about how hard this situation is to sort through, the other is you.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 03:04:01 PM
Fair enough, I do even remember reading that. I was wrong to lump you in, although I disagree with you on the interrupting part being an escalation.

less interrupting and more patience are examples of something the cop could have done differently. Not necessarily "escalations". Although human interaction is complicated and tone, body language, etc. can be considered "escalations" when added all up. It's stupid to split semantic hairs here.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 03:05:08 PM
ed is a cop with at least 5 scalps on his belt
mature post is mature

classic escalating warrior cop post

One of us was interested in a real discussion about how hard this situation is to sort through, the other is you.

have you even bothered to watch that one vice episode i was talking about yet?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 03:09:09 PM
Fair enough, I do even remember reading that. I was wrong to lump you in, although I disagree with you on the interrupting part being an escalation.

less interrupting and more patience are examples of something the cop could have done differently. Not necessarily "escalations". Although human interaction is complicated and tone, body language, etc. can be considered "escalations" when added all up. It's stupid to split semantic hairs here.

But as you note these are important techniques for cops to have to keep situations under control.  I mean this isn't applicable to random stops in the hood, but are also useful when dealing with people with mental health issues, particularly body language/tone.  How do you strike the balance between maintaining control over situations where the cop "dictates" the pace of the conversation and prevents the suspect from monopolizing the conversation wasting time with excuses/distractions/obstruction. <--tough convo to have
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 03:17:15 PM
ed is a cop with at least 5 scalps on his belt
mature post is mature

classic escalating warrior cop post

One of us was interested in a real discussion about how hard this situation is to sort through, the other is you.

have you even bothered to watch that one vice episode i was talking about yet?
re link it I don't see it going back a few pages
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 03:17:59 PM
ed is a cop with at least 5 scalps on his belt
mature post is mature

classic escalating warrior cop post

One of us was interested in a real discussion about how hard this situation is to sort through, the other is you.

have you even bothered to watch that one vice episode i was talking about yet?
re link it I don't see it going back a few pages

i dont know how to link hbogo
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2015, 03:19:29 PM
It's fun how people with completely stupid positions are always the ones "just trying to have an honest conversation"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 03:22:22 PM
It's fun how people with completely stupid positions are always the ones "just trying to have an honest conversation"
it's fun how some people act like little bitches on forums
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 03:24:22 PM
ed is a cop with at least 5 scalps on his belt
mature post is mature

classic escalating warrior cop post

One of us was interested in a real discussion about how hard this situation is to sort through, the other is you.

have you even bothered to watch that one vice episode i was talking about yet?
re link it I don't see it going back a few pages

i dont know how to link hbogo
http://www.hbo.com/vice/episodes/index.html
click the ep and copy the link, I'll watch it when I have time. 

Also can you quit with the bitch posts calling people out in other threads hoping they wont see?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 03:25:57 PM
ed is a cop with at least 5 scalps on his belt
mature post is mature

classic escalating warrior cop post

One of us was interested in a real discussion about how hard this situation is to sort through, the other is you.

have you even bothered to watch that one vice episode i was talking about yet?
re link it I don't see it going back a few pages

i dont know how to link hbogo
http://www.hbo.com/vice/episodes/index.html
click the ep and copy the link, I'll watch it when I have time. 

Also can you quit with the bitch posts calling people out in other threads hoping they wont see?

me, personally? i cant think of an example. why wouldnt i want you to see it? all things are interconnected here.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 03:28:30 PM
i reviewed my posting history, which i fully stand behind, and can find no examples of this alleged behaviour.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 03:30:51 PM
Fair enough, I do even remember reading that. I was wrong to lump you in, although I disagree with you on the interrupting part being an escalation.

less interrupting and more patience are examples of something the cop could have done differently. Not necessarily "escalations". Although human interaction is complicated and tone, body language, etc. can be considered "escalations" when added all up. It's stupid to split semantic hairs here.

But as you note these are important techniques for cops to have to keep situations under control.  I mean this isn't applicable to random stops in the hood, but are also useful when dealing with people with mental health issues, particularly body language/tone.  How do you strike the balance between maintaining control over situations where the cop "dictates" the pace of the conversation and prevents the suspect from monopolizing the conversation wasting time with excuses/distractions/obstruction. <--tough convo to have

How about don't be a dick when there is no situation to keep under control? Don't try to forcibly remove someone from their car for suspicion of driving without a license? To start.

And "waste time"? Did the cop have a dinner date or something?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 03:32:10 PM
i reviewed my posting history, which i fully stand behind, and can find no examples of this alleged behaviour.

i've worked up a pretty good counter-zapp when youre ready for it tho.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 03:38:33 PM
i reviewed my posting history, which i fully stand behind, and can find no examples of this alleged behaviour.

rough ridin' really? Even Fake has stopped with that crap.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=26046.msg1405292#msg1405292
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 03:43:19 PM
i reviewed my posting history, which i fully stand behind, and can find no examples of this alleged behaviour.

rough ridin' really? Even Fake has stopped with that crap.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=26046.msg1405292#msg1405292

oh lol

we are all bros having fun and debating and escalating and letting each other have it and you are a fantastic poet

this is consistent with my established posting profile and i dont think i can agree to quit it with it
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2015, 03:46:16 PM
Just admit it was a bitch post and you thought you'd get away with it but you got caught and now you don't have a leg to stand on
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 03:49:52 PM
i did it again, pretty funny go check it out
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2015, 03:58:40 PM
i did it again, pretty funny go check it out

I went searching your post history and found a spot where I was called out in a thread I wasn't visiting! :excited:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 04, 2015, 03:59:14 PM
i did it again, pretty funny go check it out

I went searching your post history and found a spot where I was called out in a thread I wasn't visiting! :excited:

i think you used the wrong emoticon to express how pissed you are at my bitch move
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 0.42 on August 04, 2015, 03:59:24 PM
what is going on here
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 04:05:33 PM
what is going on here

A few posters were foolish with constructing their strawman and it fell apart on them.  Now they are running amok being uber cool.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 0.42 on August 04, 2015, 04:06:48 PM
ok cool have fun with that or whatever
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2015, 04:12:44 PM
ok cool have fun with that or whatever

yeah its been a couple pages of stupidity, kinda sad since some brought up some legit points. oh well.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 05, 2015, 08:23:35 AM
what is going on here

A few posters were foolish with constructing their strawman and it fell apart on them.  Now they are running amok being uber cool.

A straw man is when somebody makes up a position you don't have and then attacks that position. Everyone is just attacking the stuff you type, fwiw.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 05, 2015, 08:29:59 AM
Fair enough, I do even remember reading that. I was wrong to lump you in, although I disagree with you on the interrupting part being an escalation.

less interrupting and more patience are examples of something the cop could have done differently. Not necessarily "escalations". Although human interaction is complicated and tone, body language, etc. can be considered "escalations" when added all up. It's stupid to split semantic hairs here.

But as you note these are important techniques for cops to have to keep situations under control.  I mean this isn't applicable to random stops in the hood, but are also useful when dealing with people with mental health issues, particularly body language/tone.  How do you strike the balance between maintaining control over situations where the cop "dictates" the pace of the conversation and prevents the suspect from monopolizing the conversation wasting time with excuses/distractions/obstruction. <--tough convo to have

How about don't be a dick when there is no situation to keep under control? Don't try to forcibly remove someone from their car for suspicion of driving without a license? To start.

And "waste time"? Did the cop have a dinner date or something?

Yeah. I mean, when the guy tells you he doesn't have his license, that's not being uncooperative. He just doesn't have his license. You don't have to go all Sheriff Teasle on the guy because he forgot to grab his license on the way out the door.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2015, 09:06:34 AM
http://boingboing.net/2015/08/05/sheriffs-deputy-resigns-afte.html

Quote
According to the Wooster Daily Record, Peterman was hired by Holmes County Sheriff's Department shortly after he quit. Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zemerly says he does not "foresee any issues with him."

"What was Wayne County's loss is Holmes County's gain," Zimmerly told the Record, confirming that Peterman had been sworn in as a deputy.

(http://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/policebrutality.gif?resize=467%2C325)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 05, 2015, 10:24:55 AM
If only she had a gun, she could dome him because she was being dragged.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 05, 2015, 10:55:35 AM
http://boingboing.net/2015/08/05/sheriffs-deputy-resigns-afte.html

Quote
According to the Wooster Daily Record, Peterman was hired by Holmes County Sheriff's Department shortly after he quit. Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zemerly says he does not "foresee any issues with him."

"What was Wayne County's loss is Holmes County's gain," Zimmerly told the Record, confirming that Peterman had been sworn in as a deputy.

(http://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/policebrutality.gif?resize=467%2C325)

she was a mental health patient, which as Ed alluded to is the type of situation when cops need to let them know who's boss.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 05, 2015, 11:53:22 AM
http://boingboing.net/2015/08/05/sheriffs-deputy-resigns-afte.html

Quote
According to the Wooster Daily Record, Peterman was hired by Holmes County Sheriff's Department shortly after he quit. Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zemerly says he does not "foresee any issues with him."

"What was Wayne County's loss is Holmes County's gain," Zimmerly told the Record, confirming that Peterman had been sworn in as a deputy.

(http://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/policebrutality.gif?resize=467%2C325)

she was a mental health patient, which as Ed alluded to is the type of situation when cops need to let them know who's boss.

Awesome that we're just lying are asses off at this point.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 05, 2015, 11:54:49 AM
what is going on here

A few posters were foolish with constructing their strawman and it fell apart on them.  Now they are running amok being uber cool.

A straw man is when somebody makes up a position you don't have and then attacks that position. Everyone is just attacking the stuff you type, fwiw.

yeah except I'm not advocating anything you guys are "attacking."  And doing a very poor job at that.  But don't bother reading posts, because than you'd know what a straw man you've created.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 05, 2015, 12:01:37 PM
what is going on here

A few posters were foolish with constructing their strawman and it fell apart on them.  Now they are running amok being uber cool.

A straw man is when somebody makes up a position you don't have and then attacks that position. Everyone is just attacking the stuff you type, fwiw.

yeah except I'm not advocating anything you guys are "attacking."  And doing a very poor job at that.  But don't bother reading posts, because than you'd know what a straw man you've created.

Well, I have no idea what you are even talking about now. So you don't think the shooting was justified, and actually agree with everyone else that it was a murder?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 05, 2015, 12:15:44 PM
http://boingboing.net/2015/08/05/sheriffs-deputy-resigns-afte.html

Quote
According to the Wooster Daily Record, Peterman was hired by Holmes County Sheriff's Department shortly after he quit. Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zemerly says he does not "foresee any issues with him."

"What was Wayne County's loss is Holmes County's gain," Zimmerly told the Record, confirming that Peterman had been sworn in as a deputy.

(http://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/policebrutality.gif?resize=467%2C325)

she was a mental health patient, which as Ed alluded to is the type of situation when cops need to let them know who's boss.

Awesome that we're just lying are asses off at this point.


Fair enough, I do even remember reading that. I was wrong to lump you in, although I disagree with you on the interrupting part being an escalation.

less interrupting and more patience are examples of something the cop could have done differently. Not necessarily "escalations". Although human interaction is complicated and tone, body language, etc. can be considered "escalations" when added all up. It's stupid to split semantic hairs here.

But as you note these are important techniques for cops to have to keep situations under control.  I mean this isn't applicable to random stops in the hood, but are also useful when dealing with people with mental health issues, particularly body language/tone.  How do you strike the balance between maintaining control over situations where the cop "dictates" the pace of the conversation and prevents the suspect from monopolizing the conversation wasting time with excuses/distractions/obstruction. <--tough convo to have

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 05, 2015, 12:26:21 PM
what is going on here

A few posters were foolish with constructing their strawman and it fell apart on them.  Now they are running amok being uber cool.

A straw man is when somebody makes up a position you don't have and then attacks that position. Everyone is just attacking the stuff you type, fwiw.

yeah except I'm not advocating anything you guys are "attacking."  And doing a very poor job at that.  But don't bother reading posts, because than you'd know what a straw man you've created.

Well, I have no idea what you are even talking about now. So you don't think the shooting was justified, and actually agree with everyone else that it was a murder?

rough ridin' seriously?  We're that rough ridin' stupid around here?

Lets try bullet points:
*Ohio statute allows for the use of deadly force to prevent harm in assaults with a deadly weapon. 
*I'm believe a car can be a deadly weapon.
*I'm not sure if the cop was dragged long enough to rise to the statute's necessary level of harm
*I believe the cop acted respectfully during his verbal interaction with Dubose.
*I believe he was justified to detain Dubose to ascertain his identity.
*I also believe anyone who thinks asking for the license was unreasonable (Michigan) is a rough ridin' idiot. Dubose was indirect and acting in a suspicious manner, therefore simply providing his name was not a reasonable alternative.
*I believe it was legitimate but stupid to open the car door and to reach inside of the car. 
*I believe Dubose bears a great deal of responsibility for his death because he attempted to flee a legitimate detainment and investigation. That does not remove the culpability for the cop killing him.

*The question(s) many have failed to recognize is that the cop was preforming a legal stop and investigation.  Does Dubose attempting to flee and the cops fear of harm rise to the level of assault with a deadly weapon's felony provisions? Remember that the standard is harm, not fear of death.  Do people feel the cop needs to be dragged "X" feet before harm is "achieved?" 


*Finally, as the video shows, there was a physical confrontation, and I think the cop was too fast to pull his weapons.  I do believe he, the cop, thought he was being dragged. I am personally unresolved about the shooting because it was too early, ie he should have been dragged further.  I personally believe it was not murder, under the statute, at best it's voluntary manslaughter.  I am glad I'm not on the jury because I'm not sure if he is guilty or innocent.  The video is too poor to really tell how long he has been moved down the street before the shot.  I know that Dubose actions directly led to his death, specifically turning the car on and putting it in gear.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 05, 2015, 12:27:21 PM
http://boingboing.net/2015/08/05/sheriffs-deputy-resigns-afte.html

Quote
According to the Wooster Daily Record, Peterman was hired by Holmes County Sheriff's Department shortly after he quit. Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zemerly says he does not "foresee any issues with him."

"What was Wayne County's loss is Holmes County's gain," Zimmerly told the Record, confirming that Peterman had been sworn in as a deputy.

(http://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/policebrutality.gif?resize=467%2C325)

she was a mental health patient, which as Ed alluded to is the type of situation when cops need to let them know who's boss.

Awesome that we're just lying are asses off at this point.


Fair enough, I do even remember reading that. I was wrong to lump you in, although I disagree with you on the interrupting part being an escalation.

less interrupting and more patience are examples of something the cop could have done differently. Not necessarily "escalations". Although human interaction is complicated and tone, body language, etc. can be considered "escalations" when added all up. It's stupid to split semantic hairs here.

But as you note these are important techniques for cops to have to keep situations under control.  I mean this isn't applicable to random stops in the hood, but are also useful when dealing with people with mental health issues, particularly body language/tone.  How do you strike the balance between maintaining control over situations where the cop "dictates" the pace of the conversation and prevents the suspect from monopolizing the conversation wasting time with excuses/distractions/obstruction. <--tough convo to have

Thanks for quoting me so people can see where you are lying your ass off. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2015, 12:50:53 PM
http://boingboing.net/2015/08/05/sheriffs-deputy-resigns-afte.html

Quote
According to the Wooster Daily Record, Peterman was hired by Holmes County Sheriff's Department shortly after he quit. Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zemerly says he does not "foresee any issues with him."

"What was Wayne County's loss is Holmes County's gain," Zimmerly told the Record, confirming that Peterman had been sworn in as a deputy.

(http://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/policebrutality.gif?resize=467%2C325)

Good lord that guy's picture.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 05, 2015, 12:56:24 PM
http://boingboing.net/2015/08/05/sheriffs-deputy-resigns-afte.html

Quote
According to the Wooster Daily Record, Peterman was hired by Holmes County Sheriff's Department shortly after he quit. Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zemerly says he does not "foresee any issues with him."

"What was Wayne County's loss is Holmes County's gain," Zimmerly told the Record, confirming that Peterman had been sworn in as a deputy.

(http://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/policebrutality.gif?resize=467%2C325)

Good lord that guy's picture.

Which is scarier, that conduct or the guy's new sheriff who says it's not a problem?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2015, 01:07:45 PM
http://boingboing.net/2015/08/05/sheriffs-deputy-resigns-afte.html

Quote
According to the Wooster Daily Record, Peterman was hired by Holmes County Sheriff's Department shortly after he quit. Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zemerly says he does not "foresee any issues with him."

"What was Wayne County's loss is Holmes County's gain," Zimmerly told the Record, confirming that Peterman had been sworn in as a deputy.

(http://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/policebrutality.gif?resize=467%2C325)

Good lord that guy's picture.

Which is scarier, that conduct or the guy's new sheriff who says it's not a problem?

The Sheriff.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 05, 2015, 01:08:43 PM
what is going on here

A few posters were foolish with constructing their strawman and it fell apart on them.  Now they are running amok being uber cool.

A straw man is when somebody makes up a position you don't have and then attacks that position. Everyone is just attacking the stuff you type, fwiw.

yeah except I'm not advocating anything you guys are "attacking."  And doing a very poor job at that.  But don't bother reading posts, because than you'd know what a straw man you've created.

Well, I have no idea what you are even talking about now. So you don't think the shooting was justified, and actually agree with everyone else that it was a murder?

rough ridin' seriously?  We're that rough ridin' stupid around here?

Lets try bullet points:
*Ohio statute allows for the use of deadly force to prevent harm in assaults with a deadly weapon. 
*I'm believe a car can be a deadly weapon.
*I'm not sure if the cop was dragged long enough to rise to the statute's necessary level of harm
*I believe the cop acted respectfully during his verbal interaction with Dubose.
*I believe he was justified to detain Dubose to ascertain his identity.
*I also believe anyone who thinks asking for the license was unreasonable (Michigan) is a rough ridin' idiot. Dubose was indirect and acting in a suspicious manner, therefore simply providing his name was not a reasonable alternative.
*I believe it was legitimate but stupid to open the car door and to reach inside of the car. 
*I believe Dubose bears a great deal of responsibility for his death because he attempted to flee a legitimate detainment and investigation. That does not remove the culpability for the cop killing him.

*The question(s) many have failed to recognize is that the cop was preforming a legal stop and investigation.  Does Dubose attempting to flee and the cops fear of harm rise to the level of assault with a deadly weapon's felony provisions? Remember that the standard is harm, not fear of death.  Do people feel the cop needs to be dragged "X" feet before harm is "achieved?" 


*Finally, as the video shows, there was a physical confrontation, and I think the cop was too fast to pull his weapons.  I do believe he, the cop, thought he was being dragged. I am personally unresolved about the shooting because it was too early, ie he should have been dragged further.  I personally believe it was not murder, under the statute, at best it's voluntary manslaughter.  I am glad I'm not on the jury because I'm not sure if he is guilty or innocent.  The video is too poor to really tell how long he has been moved down the street before the shot.  I know that Dubose actions directly led to his death, specifically turning the car on and putting it in gear.

The car didn't even start moving until after the cop killed the driver.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 05, 2015, 01:25:53 PM

The car didn't even start moving until after the cop killed the driver.

Hard to tell from the unedited video.  But that gets back to a central point that few have answered. Is there a bright-line of harm that being dragged 1ft is different than 10ft?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slobber on August 05, 2015, 01:27:18 PM
There is certainly some pretty hard evidence that the driver was intending to move the car. I mean, when I start the car and put it in drive, you can rest assured that I am leaving.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 05, 2015, 01:29:11 PM

The car didn't even start moving until after the cop killed the driver.

Hard to tell from the unedited video.  But that gets back to a central point that few have answered. Is there a bright-line of harm that being dragged 1ft is different than 10ft?

Is it reasonable to believe he was being dragged at all? That would require him to draw and fire his weapon one-handed and hit a moving target while he is also moving and his left arm is in the way.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 05, 2015, 01:48:29 PM

The car didn't even start moving until after the cop killed the driver.

Hard to tell from the unedited video.  But that gets back to a central point that few have answered. Is there a bright-line of harm that being dragged 1ft is different than 10ft?

Is it reasonable to believe he was being dragged at all? That would require him to draw and fire his weapon one-handed and hit a moving target while he is also moving and his left arm is in the way.
A few things you can tell from the video.  1) He is low to the side of the car.  Part of that is assuredly from leaning over to reach in.  I think part of it is because the car moves slightly (certainly not the 10ish ft people are claiming on Blaze).
2) He draws and fires very quickly but has a high angle.  Cops are necessarily taught to shoot for the head but center mass.  So part of me thinks it as a nervous quick fire where the cop was just trying to get on target (Dubose) and shot as soon as the weapon was near.  Due to the angle and speed of the action, that left the head as the destination.  All of that, by built in muscle memory is milliseconds.  So the car would not have moved much, the target was not moving much, and his left arm was down on the seat belt/left arm/chest of Dubose, as clearly visible in the frame by frame video I posted. Now the video, even the unedited video, doesn't give you a food idea of the surroundings of the car.  Because of the motion blur and poor frame rate it's hard to tell when the shot occurred to how much has moved.  I do believe the car moved slightly as most car do when you put them in gear, but 99% of the motion was probably after the shot/Dubose death.  Does that 1% rise to the level of harm or fear of harm?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2015, 02:08:28 PM
Does the video show him getting blown away?  I don't want to watch that
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 05, 2015, 02:12:06 PM
Does the video show him getting blown away?  I don't want to watch that
the video I posted earlier has a blur over it.  I've found an unblurred video and you really can't see much at all.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on August 05, 2015, 02:13:00 PM
This cop is a liar.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 05, 2015, 03:36:10 PM
Does the video show him getting blown away?  I don't want to watch that

when someone posted a compilation video of cops killing citizens I learned that gunshot wound deaths aren't particularly graphic initially.

Although I did find an extended video that blurs out the confrontation and shot (murder), but doesn't blur out the dude just laying there dead with blood everywhere.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 05, 2015, 03:40:40 PM
I'm not watching anyone getting shot to death even if it isn't gorey. it's almost more unsettling if it's not. like, someone posted a video on here one time of a guy running from the police and then he just stops and shoots himself and falls over dead and there was no blood or anything but it was really disturbing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 05, 2015, 03:46:32 PM

The car didn't even start moving until after the cop killed the driver.

Hard to tell from the unedited video.  But that gets back to a central point that few have answered. Is there a bright-line of harm that being dragged 1ft is different than 10ft?

0'-0" = not dragged.

You are def the one building something to argue in this thread.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 05, 2015, 04:09:34 PM
I'm not watching anyone getting shot to death even if it isn't gorey. it's almost more unsettling if it's not. like, someone posted a video on here one time of a guy running from the police and then he just stops and shoots himself and falls over dead and there was no blood or anything but it was really disturbing.

This.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 05, 2015, 04:14:29 PM
I normally wouldn't watch something like that, but I think it's important for people to see citizens murdered by police. But I understand why you wouldn't want to (and I think you guys know this is a problem). I'm still scarred from seeing the video of the pennsylvania politician putting his gun in his mouth at a press conference in the 80's. (I saw it in like 2004).

But I think anyone that shares the fetus parts videos should be like required to also see the videos of cops blasting folks.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 05, 2015, 04:26:28 PM
Bud!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 05, 2015, 04:30:26 PM
Field knife video scarred me for a bit. Dnepropetrovsk maniacs hammer video, I only made it about 20 to thirty seconds.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 05, 2015, 05:50:04 PM

The car didn't even start moving until after the cop killed the driver.

Hard to tell from the unedited video.  But that gets back to a central point that few have answered. Is there a bright-line of harm that being dragged 1ft is different than 10ft?

0'-0" = not dragged.

You are def the one building something to argue in this thread.

Sorry you didn't watch the video and providing a voice of slow reason instead of a rush to judgement.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 05, 2015, 06:07:33 PM
I watched it.  didnt see him dragged.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 06, 2015, 09:37:04 AM
I want to see the cop's shoes. If he was dragged then there should be a significant amount of material removed where they dragged on the ground.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 06, 2015, 10:59:32 AM
edn has mind tricked some of you into actually considering the idea that the cop was dragged.  lol @ you.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 06, 2015, 11:08:30 AM
rough ridin' disgusting
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/investigations/video-arizona-officer-illegally-enters-womans-home-arrests-her-while-she-is-naked
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 06, 2015, 11:17:57 AM
Taxpayers of Chandler, get out your checkbook.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 06, 2015, 11:36:31 AM
rough ridin' disgusting
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/investigations/video-arizona-officer-illegally-enters-womans-home-arrests-her-while-she-is-naked

jesus christ
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 06, 2015, 11:38:30 AM
I mean that cop is a rough ridin' sicko
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on August 06, 2015, 11:46:51 AM
Disgusting
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 06, 2015, 11:50:30 AM
I'd encourage everyone to watch the whole video, like somehow arresting the lady naked almost wasn't the ickiest part.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 06, 2015, 03:22:06 PM
"When a cop shows up, I don't care if it is your house, you're not the one in charge"


Altered(possibly destroyed) evidence.  Lied on the formal report.  No discipline noted on his record.  Full pension.  Not fired. 

Allowed to retire. 

Just absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 06, 2015, 03:31:46 PM
"When a cop shows up, I don't care if it is your house, you're not the one in charge"


Altered(possibly destroyed) evidence.  Lied on the formal report.  No discipline noted on his record.  Full pension.  Not fired. 

Allowed to retire. 

Just absolutely amazing.

the only thing amazing about it is that you're amazed.  have none of you people ever actually interacted with cops?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 06, 2015, 03:34:19 PM
Disgusting is more accurate than amazing.

What is amazing, is that cops aren't rough ridin' learning.  This is accelerating, not slowing.  Cops don't get that yet?  Cities/Munis don't get that yet?  That is amazing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 06, 2015, 03:42:03 PM
Disgusting is more accurate than amazing.

What is amazing, is that cops aren't rough ridin' learning.  This is accelerating, not slowing.  Cops don't get that yet?  Cities/Munis don't get that yet?  That is amazing.

everyone needs a camera/phone.  it's your only protection.


they've had a long, long, long time of it's your word against mine.  it will take time, but eventually they will adjust.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 06, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
Disgusting is more accurate than amazing.

What is amazing, is that cops aren't rough ridin' learning.  This is accelerating, not slowing.  Cops don't get that yet?  Cities/Munis don't get that yet?  That is amazing.

everyone needs a camera/phone.  it's your only protection.


they've had a long, long, long time of it's your word against mine.  it will take time, but eventually they will adjust.

They will adjust to smashing your phone and turning off their body cams.  Or deleting the footage
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 06, 2015, 03:53:12 PM
What about the other cop? Did he have a body cam?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 06, 2015, 04:19:17 PM
Disgusting is more accurate than amazing.

What is amazing, is that cops aren't rough ridin' learning.  This is accelerating, not slowing.  Cops don't get that yet?  Cities/Munis don't get that yet?  That is amazing.

everyone needs a camera/phone.  it's your only protection.


they've had a long, long, long time of it's your word against mine.  it will take time, but eventually they will adjust.

They will adjust to smashing your phone and turning off their body cams.  Or deleting the footage

they'll delete/not record their own footage.  you need to have your own footage.  hidden if there aren't any witnesses.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 07, 2015, 11:59:41 AM
I'm always fascinated that we don't have laws that make it a crime to alter or shutoff recording devices in official meetings or in official office capacities.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 07, 2015, 12:24:02 PM
I'm always fascinated that we don't have laws that make it a crime to alter or shutoff recording devices in official meetings or in official office capacities.

Well, the courts that just paid a public money settlement for a killing performed by a public employee in NYC have a judge telling the world to go eff yourself and he isn't releasing the grand jury transcript to the public.  I mean, public govt cover each others asses on the reg.   :dunno:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 07, 2015, 04:40:41 PM
no video (yet?).  the hack is that the murdered guy was white.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/06/an-unarmed-white-teen-was-shot-dead-by-police-his-family-asks-where-is-the-outrage/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/lonnae-oneal-police-kill-a-white-teen-and-the-silence-raises-questions/2015/08/06/9aa8eed2-3c5a-11e5-8e98-115a3cf7d7ae_story.html?tid=pm_lifestyle_pop_b
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 07, 2015, 05:06:45 PM
no video (yet?).  the hack is that the murdered guy was white.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/06/an-unarmed-white-teen-was-shot-dead-by-police-his-family-asks-where-is-the-outrage/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/lonnae-oneal-police-kill-a-white-teen-and-the-silence-raises-questions/2015/08/06/9aa8eed2-3c5a-11e5-8e98-115a3cf7d7ae_story.html?tid=pm_lifestyle_pop_b

well, the other differences were Bland died in police custody after a messy video of her arrest and in the Dubose shooting the cop would have been scott free and there would have been zero discussion without the video. But yeah there should definitely be more outrage here.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2015, 05:10:00 PM
Disgusting is more accurate than amazing.

What is amazing, is that cops aren't rough ridin' learning.  This is accelerating, not slowing.  Cops don't get that yet?  Cities/Munis don't get that yet?  That is amazing.

everyone needs a camera/phone.  it's your only protection.


they've had a long, long, long time of it's your word against mine.  it will take time, but eventually they will adjust.

They will adjust to smashing your phone and turning off their body cams.  Or deleting the footage

they'll delete/not record their own footage.  you need to have your own footage.  hidden if there aren't any witnesses.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/the-chutzpah-of-a-police-union-in-orange-county-california/400502/

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 07, 2015, 05:23:41 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/the-chutzpah-of-a-police-union-in-orange-county-california/400502/

the owners and public got lucky with that missed camera.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 07, 2015, 05:27:29 PM
no video (yet?).  the hack is that the murdered guy was white.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/06/an-unarmed-white-teen-was-shot-dead-by-police-his-family-asks-where-is-the-outrage/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/lonnae-oneal-police-kill-a-white-teen-and-the-silence-raises-questions/2015/08/06/9aa8eed2-3c5a-11e5-8e98-115a3cf7d7ae_story.html?tid=pm_lifestyle_pop_b

well, the other differences were Bland died in police custody after a messy video of her arrest and in the Dubose shooting the cop would have been scott free and there would have been zero discussion without the video. But yeah there should definitely be more outrage here.

another factor is yeah, blacks are more organized when it comes to fighting for justice because of all that first 200 years of how we treated blacks in the country. White males really haven't needed to mobilize for civil rights because they've, you know, always had them.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 07, 2015, 05:31:40 PM
the outrage or lack of outrage really isn't the important part, michigan.  it's just another story about another cop killing another human.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 07, 2015, 05:36:36 PM
the outrage or lack of outrage really isn't the important part, michigan.  it's just another story about another cop killing another human.

I will accept that.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 09, 2015, 12:05:42 PM
https://news.vice.com/article/police-have-killed-at-least-1083-americans-since-michael-browns-death
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 09, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
Holy crap

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on August 09, 2015, 02:53:17 PM
Let's take their guns away and give just night sticks, and they cannot respond for to 60 minute.  Also only minority police can deal with a minority suspect.  All incoming recruits have to go through sensitive training.  Let cops be good cops - pay train good cops and pay to hire smart instead od dumbass killem dead Barnies.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 09, 2015, 02:57:05 PM
Let's take their guns away and give just night sticks.

this is the obvious solution, but america is too stupid and paranoid to ever do it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 09, 2015, 05:42:02 PM
https://news.vice.com/article/police-have-killed-at-least-1083-americans-since-michael-browns-death

I just skimmed through the article, and there are tons of stats, but they seem to have left out how many of those killed were armed with any kind of weapon.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 09, 2015, 06:12:30 PM
https://news.vice.com/article/police-have-killed-at-least-1083-americans-since-michael-browns-death

I just skimmed through the article, and there are tons of stats, but they seem to have left out how many of those killed were armed with any kind of weapon.
While I agree that it's currently too easy to have access to firearms, having a gun IS legal, and shouldn't be a death sentence if you have one when a cop is around.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: everyone shut up on August 09, 2015, 06:19:53 PM
https://news.vice.com/article/police-have-killed-at-least-1083-americans-since-michael-browns-death

I just skimmed through the article, and there are tons of stats, but they seem to have left out how many of those killed were armed with any kind of weapon.
While I agree that it's currently too easy to have access to firearms, having a gun IS legal, and shouldn't be a death sentence if you have one when a cop is around.

he didn't say gun. he said weapon.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 09, 2015, 06:31:20 PM
https://news.vice.com/article/police-have-killed-at-least-1083-americans-since-michael-browns-death

I just skimmed through the article, and there are tons of stats, but they seem to have left out how many of those killed were armed with any kind of weapon.
While I agree that it's currently too easy to have access to firearms, having a gun IS legal, and shouldn't be a death sentence if you have one when a cop is around.

he didn't say gun. he said weapon.
While it's absurd for cops to be killing that many people to begin with, they should NEVER have to blast a dude carrying a knife.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on August 09, 2015, 06:35:27 PM
I thought for sure at least a proportionate amount of police had been killed in the same time frame.  The count for police over the last year is like 150.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 09, 2015, 07:04:31 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lawyer-calls-police-account-zachary-hammonds-killing-ridiculous-n406786
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 09, 2015, 09:15:07 PM
Jesus.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 09, 2015, 09:29:35 PM
https://news.vice.com/article/police-have-killed-at-least-1083-americans-since-michael-browns-death

I just skimmed through the article, and there are tons of stats, but they seem to have left out how many of those killed were armed with any kind of weapon.
While I agree that it's currently too easy to have access to firearms, having a gun IS legal, and shouldn't be a death sentence if you have one when a cop is around.

he didn't say gun. he said weapon.
While it's absurd for cops to be killing that many people to begin with, they should NEVER have to blast a dude carrying a knife.

Anyone that goes at a cop with a knife will be, and should be, blasted. A cop shouldn't have to defend himself with hand to hand combat in a country where guns are legal. Just part of the deal in America. Like they say, love it or change the law.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on August 09, 2015, 09:31:09 PM
OH crap HE HAS A POCKET KNIFE, BLAST HIS ASS! - JTMHTD
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 09, 2015, 09:54:57 PM
https://news.vice.com/article/police-have-killed-at-least-1083-americans-since-michael-browns-death

I just skimmed through the article, and there are tons of stats, but they seem to have left out how many of those killed were armed with any kind of weapon.
While I agree that it's currently too easy to have access to firearms, having a gun IS legal, and shouldn't be a death sentence if you have one when a cop is around.

he didn't say gun. he said weapon.
While it's absurd for cops to be killing that many people to begin with, they should NEVER have to blast a dude carrying a knife.

Anyone that goes at a cop with a knife will be, and should be, blasted. A cop shouldn't have to defend himself with hand to hand combat in a country where guns are legal. Just part of the deal in America. Like they say, love it or change the law.
Yeah I wonder what percentage of the 1000+ people cops killed were not just holding a knife, but actually charging at them with knives.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 09, 2015, 10:33:39 PM
https://news.vice.com/article/police-have-killed-at-least-1083-americans-since-michael-browns-death

I just skimmed through the article, and there are tons of stats, but they seem to have left out how many of those killed were armed with any kind of weapon.
While I agree that it's currently too easy to have access to firearms, having a gun IS legal, and shouldn't be a death sentence if you have one when a cop is around.

he didn't say gun. he said weapon.
While it's absurd for cops to be killing that many people to begin with, they should NEVER have to blast a dude carrying a knife.

Anyone that goes at a cop with a knife will be, and should be, blasted. A cop shouldn't have to defend himself with hand to hand combat in a country where guns are legal. Just part of the deal in America. Like they say, love it or change the law.
Yeah I wonder what percentage of the 1000+ people cops killed were not just holding a knife, but actually charging at them with knives.

I'm guessing the majority of them had a gun, but knives were probably #2., and the last thing those people heard was "drop the knife! drop the knife! drop the knife! bang bang bang bang, bang, bang..."did you guys see that?!   he was totally charging me and I thought he would murder me glad I have a clean kill here....
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on August 10, 2015, 10:09:46 AM

https://news.vice.com/article/police-have-killed-at-least-1083-americans-since-michael-browns-death

I just skimmed through the article, and there are tons of stats, but they seem to have left out how many of those killed were armed with any kind of weapon.
While I agree that it's currently too easy to have access to firearms, having a gun IS legal, and shouldn't be a death sentence if you have one when a cop is around.

he didn't say gun. he said weapon.
While it's absurd for cops to be killing that many people to begin with, they should NEVER have to blast a dude carrying a knife.

Anyone that goes at a cop with a knife will be, and should be, blasted. A cop shouldn't have to defend himself with hand to hand combat in a country where guns are legal. Just part of the deal in America. Like they say, love it or change the law.
Yeah I wonder what percentage of the 1000+ people cops killed were not just holding a knife, but actually charging at them with knives.

I'm guessing the majority of them had a gun, but knives were probably #2., and the last thing those people heard was "drop the knife! drop the knife! drop the knife! bang bang bang....

And the idea that that is acceptable to people is rough ridin' crazy
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 10, 2015, 10:33:15 AM
Let's take their guns away and give just night sticks.

this is the obvious solution, but america is too stupid and paranoid to ever do it.

I think they should keep their pistols loaded with non-lethal rounds.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 10, 2015, 07:25:12 PM

https://news.vice.com/article/police-have-killed-at-least-1083-americans-since-michael-browns-death

I just skimmed through the article, and there are tons of stats, but they seem to have left out how many of those killed were armed with any kind of weapon.
While I agree that it's currently too easy to have access to firearms, having a gun IS legal, and shouldn't be a death sentence if you have one when a cop is around.

he didn't say gun. he said weapon.
While it's absurd for cops to be killing that many people to begin with, they should NEVER have to blast a dude carrying a knife.

Anyone that goes at a cop with a knife will be, and should be, blasted. A cop shouldn't have to defend himself with hand to hand combat in a country where guns are legal. Just part of the deal in America. Like they say, love it or change the law.
Yeah I wonder what percentage of the 1000+ people cops killed were not just holding a knife, but actually charging at them with knives.

I'm guessing the majority of them had a gun, but knives were probably #2., and the last thing those people heard was "drop the knife! drop the knife! drop the knife! bang bang bang....

And the idea that that is acceptable to people is rough ridin' crazy

This is just.....how.....
I mean what the hell do you want the cop to do?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 10, 2015, 07:28:55 PM
using words and/or a taser are a couple of options before using the gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 10, 2015, 09:24:01 PM
Being a police officer is completely voluntary.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on August 10, 2015, 10:34:05 PM
Let's take their guns away and give just night sticks.

this is the obvious solution, but america is too stupid and paranoid to ever do it.

We can't do that yet because countries that give their cops night sticks actively try and limit the availability of guns in said country.

Instead we have people buying up guns every time a dozen grade schoolers get murdered.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 10, 2015, 11:17:29 PM
Being a police officer is completely voluntary.

So is being a criminal. Both take their chances, but the cops usually win.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 10, 2015, 11:23:57 PM
Being a police officer is completely voluntary.

So is being a criminal.

Uh, have you been reading this thread? Not always.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 11, 2015, 09:53:06 AM
We can't do that yet because countries that give their cops night sticks actively try and limit the availability of guns in said country.

Instead we have people buying up guns every time a dozen grade schoolers get murdered.

i'd bet an enormous sum of money that if cops didn't carry guns, that both the number of citizens killed by the police and the number of police killed by non-police would drop.  in america.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 11, 2015, 10:38:53 AM
We can't do that yet because countries that give their cops night sticks actively try and limit the availability of guns in said country.

Instead we have people buying up guns every time a dozen grade schoolers get murdered.

i'd bet an enormous sum of money that if cops didn't carry guns, that both the number of citizens killed by the police and the number of police killed by non-police would drop.  in america.

yes, someone is more likely to shoot someone who is pointing a gun in your face than without. It's an intense situation that increases adrenaline flow and reduces rational thought.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 11, 2015, 09:14:28 PM
To Serve and Protect
http://gawker.com/nypd-union-uses-flickr-in-innovative-new-push-to-shame-1723474170
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: TheHamburglar on August 11, 2015, 09:23:54 PM
To Serve and Protect
http://gawker.com/nypd-union-uses-flickr-in-innovative-new-push-to-shame-1723474170

I have no words to describe how absurd all of this is on so many levels. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 11, 2015, 09:31:44 PM
I may quit my job, leave my family, and devote my life to simply dump links in this thread
http://mic.com/articles/123699/charnesia-corley-pulled-over-and-vaginally-searched-by-police
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiete on August 11, 2015, 11:14:23 PM
I may quit my job, leave my family, and devote my life to simply dump links in this thread
http://mic.com/articles/123699/charnesia-corley-pulled-over-and-vaginally-searched-by-police
:love:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 12, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
using words and/or a taser are a couple of options before using the gun.
I feel like you watch videos of cops getting attacked online and wonder what the cop did wrong.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 12, 2015, 02:09:18 PM
using words and/or a taser are a couple of options before using the gun.
I feel like you watch videos of cops getting attacked online and wonder what the cop did wrong.

I watched a video of cops disabling surveillance cameras and ingesting drugs while on duty and wonder what they did wrong, then quickly answer with "everything"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 12, 2015, 02:12:25 PM
sometimes I watch videos of cops shooting non-threatening people in the head and wonder what they did wrong, then I realize "shooting that guy in the head" was what they did wrong
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 12, 2015, 03:36:49 PM
using words and/or a taser are a couple of options before using the gun.
I feel like you watch videos of cops getting attacked online and wonder what the cop did wrong.

yes, we all should.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 12, 2015, 03:57:33 PM
using words and/or a taser are a couple of options before using the gun.
I feel like you watch videos of cops getting attacked online and wonder what the cop did wrong.

yes, we all should.

Yeah you didn't get that at all...
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 12, 2015, 04:49:02 PM
using words and/or a taser are a couple of options before using the gun.
I feel like you watch videos of cops getting attacked online and wonder what the cop did wrong.

yes, we all should.

Yeah you didn't get that at all...
Yeah I did.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 12, 2015, 04:49:48 PM
using words and/or a taser are a couple of options before using the gun.
I feel like you watch videos of cops getting attacked online and wonder what the cop did wrong.

yes, we all should.

Yeah you didn't get that at all...
Yeah I did.
You think you did.  But you didn't.  Obvious since you're defending it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 12, 2015, 10:55:48 PM
using words and/or a taser are a couple of options before using the gun.
I feel like you watch videos of cops getting attacked online and wonder what the cop did wrong.

yes, we all should.

Yeah you didn't get that at all...
Yeah I did.
You think you did.  But you didn't.  Obvious since you're defending it.

Why do you think it's a bad thing to hold cops to a higher standard than civilians? Thankfully the Arlington PD gets it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 13, 2015, 01:15:22 AM
using words and/or a taser are a couple of options before using the gun.
I feel like you watch videos of cops getting attacked online and wonder what the cop did wrong.

yes, we all should.

Yeah you didn't get that at all...
Yeah I did.
You think you did.  But you didn't.  Obvious since you're defending it.

Why do you think it's a bad thing to hold cops to a higher standard than civilians? Thankfully the Arlington PD gets it.

Who said anything like that?  I'm questioning the naivety that people here have towards police work and specifically how dangerous it is when police encounter armed resistance to civil authority. 

And does Arlington PD get it? 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/arlington-tex-officer-is-fired-in-fatal-shooting-of-christian-taylor.html?_r=0
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 13, 2015, 01:16:04 AM
http://www.wpbf.com/news/officer-on-leave-after-argument-with-disabled-veteran-captured-on-video/34670566
what a jerk face
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 13, 2015, 07:11:38 AM
using words and/or a taser are a couple of options before using the gun.
I feel like you watch videos of cops getting attacked online and wonder what the cop did wrong.

yes, we all should.

Yeah you didn't get that at all...
Yeah I did.
You think you did.  But you didn't.  Obvious since you're defending it.

Why do you think it's a bad thing to hold cops to a higher standard than civilians? Thankfully the Arlington PD gets it.

Who said anything like that?  I'm questioning the naivety that people here have towards police work and specifically how dangerous it is when police encounter armed resistance to civil authority. 

And does Arlington PD get it? 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/arlington-tex-officer-is-fired-in-fatal-shooting-of-christian-taylor.html?_r=0
Yeah, and I'm saying that if an officer is attacked and there is a video, the video should be evaluated to see if the situation could have been avoided. There are cases where people are insane and would attack a cop no matter what, but even then police should still try to learn from them (along with any other attack. )


I mean, cops already use videos of cops being attacked them as teaching moments. (I think they should also show videos of cops rough ridin' up and killing citizens, but still):

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/05/police_shootings_the_grim_videos_cops_watch_of_their_colleagues_being_killed.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 13, 2015, 08:08:45 AM

Who said anything like that?  I'm questioning the naivety that people here have towards police work and specifically how dangerous it is when police encounter armed resistance to civil authority. 

And does Arlington PD get it? 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/arlington-tex-officer-is-fired-in-fatal-shooting-of-christian-taylor.html?_r=0

I hope your point here isn't that the Arlington PD shouldn't have fired that guy.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 13, 2015, 08:30:45 AM

Who said anything like that?  I'm questioning the naivety that people here have towards police work and specifically how dangerous it is when police encounter armed resistance to civil authority. 

And does Arlington PD get it? 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/arlington-tex-officer-is-fired-in-fatal-shooting-of-christian-taylor.html?_r=0

I hope your point here isn't that the Arlington PD shouldn't have fired that guy.

It certainly is, edn clearly thinks law enforcement officers should be evaluated like kids running a lemonade stand. If he ever becomes the supervisor of people that hashe the potential of being an all time crap show. "Do whatever you want guys, just try really hard and it will all be fine."
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 13, 2015, 08:32:59 AM
So this initially doesn't appear to be in the same vain of the other links, we'll see for sure later, but this story is just mumped up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3195132/I-don-t-want-die-jail-cell-Bodycam-footage-shows-mother-pleading-cops-hours-dead.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 15, 2015, 12:18:23 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/08/14/woman-who-recorded-officer-punching-a-suspect-becomes-target-of-miami-police-union/

This one is pretty awful, but it also leads you into a wormhole of cops behaving badly with several links within this one. I want to insert the following one because it's truly horrific. In many of these links it's cops showing really poor judgment in the heat of the moment, this one is a countywide cover up. This is well earned prison time, good luck in the clink, boys and girls.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/11/small-town-cover-up-of-police-brutality-shows-what-can-happen-when-there-are-no-videos/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 16, 2015, 09:35:24 AM
Season Two of True Detective comes to life
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/15/us/california-murder-plot-carson-kauffman/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 16, 2015, 10:05:53 AM

Who said anything like that?  I'm questioning the naivety that people here have towards police work and specifically how dangerous it is when police encounter armed resistance to civil authority. 
 
And does Arlington PD get it?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/arlington-tex-officer-is-fired-in-fatal-shooting-of-christian-taylor.html?_r=0

I hope your point here isn't that the Arlington PD shouldn't have fired that guy.

You'd have to be pretty rough ridin' daft to get that from my comment.  MiR made the comment that Arlington gets it right when they clearly didn't   As much as MiR wants to spew in this thread, I posted a pretty clear example where the one officer screwed up.  Now I don't know (and we likely never will know how things went down) the most likely scenario is justifiable for the police officer's actions.  But the cop violated policy and good practice and shouldn't be on the force.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 16, 2015, 10:07:43 AM
using words and/or a taser are a couple of options before using the gun.
I feel like you watch videos of cops getting attacked online and wonder what the cop did wrong.

yes, we all should.

Yeah you didn't get that at all...
Yeah I did.
You think you did.  But you didn't.  Obvious since you're defending it.

Why do you think it's a bad thing to hold cops to a higher standard than civilians? Thankfully the Arlington PD gets it.

Who said anything like that?  I'm questioning the naivety that people here have towards police work and specifically how dangerous it is when police encounter armed resistance to civil authority. 

And does Arlington PD get it? 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/arlington-tex-officer-is-fired-in-fatal-shooting-of-christian-taylor.html?_r=0
Yeah, and I'm saying that if an officer is attacked and there is a video, the video should be evaluated to see if the situation could have been avoided. There are cases where people are insane and would attack a cop no matter what, but even then police should still try to learn from them (along with any other attack. )


I mean, cops already use videos of cops being attacked them as teaching moments. (I think they should also show videos of cops rough ridin' up and killing citizens, but still):

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/05/police_shootings_the_grim_videos_cops_watch_of_their_colleagues_being_killed.html

I like the way you're trying to walk back from a foolish comment, because this last post is very reasonable, but not what you've been tracking like in this string.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 16, 2015, 10:10:19 AM
ed, no one knows wtf you are talking about beyond your tone of "cops good, everyone else bad"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 16, 2015, 01:09:57 PM

Who said anything like that?  I'm questioning the naivety that people here have towards police work and specifically how dangerous it is when police encounter armed resistance to civil authority. 
 
And does Arlington PD get it?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/arlington-tex-officer-is-fired-in-fatal-shooting-of-christian-taylor.html?_r=0

I hope your point here isn't that the Arlington PD shouldn't have fired that guy.

You'd have to be pretty rough ridin' daft to get that from my comment.  MiR made the comment that Arlington gets it right when they clearly didn't   As much as MiR wants to spew in this thread, I posted a pretty clear example where the one officer screwed up.  Now I don't know (and we likely never will know how things went down) the most likely scenario is justifiable for the police officer's actions.  But the cop violated policy and good practice and shouldn't be on the force.

I'm confused. I said the Arlington PD gets it, you said they don't, but then your last sentence said "the cop violated policy and good practice and shouldn't be on the force." I think you are so hell bent on arguing and being full of crap that you're confusing yourself.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 17, 2015, 12:30:28 AM

Who said anything like that?  I'm questioning the naivety that people here have towards police work and specifically how dangerous it is when police encounter armed resistance to civil authority. 
 
And does Arlington PD get it?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/arlington-tex-officer-is-fired-in-fatal-shooting-of-christian-taylor.html?_r=0

I hope your point here isn't that the Arlington PD shouldn't have fired that guy.

You'd have to be pretty rough ridin' daft to get that from my comment.  MiR made the comment that Arlington gets it right when they clearly didn't   As much as MiR wants to spew in this thread, I posted a pretty clear example where the one officer screwed up.  Now I don't know (and we likely never will know how things went down) the most likely scenario is justifiable for the police officer's actions.  But the cop violated policy and good practice and shouldn't be on the force.

I'm confused. I said the Arlington PD gets it, you said they don't, but then your last sentence said "the cop violated policy and good practice and shouldn't be on the force." I think you are so hell bent on arguing and being full of crap that you're confusing yourself.
I don't think you know if you're coming or going at this point.  You said arlington PD "gets it" and I responded because they clearly don't.  That is pretty obvious when you have a rookie cop so emboldened that he wonders off by himself and someone ends up dead.  So no, they don't "get it."  Back to your regularly scheduled flailing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slobber on August 17, 2015, 05:41:38 AM
I don't think I told goEMAW, but I got pulled over last weekend for rolling a stop sign on the way to church with the family. I got off with a verbal warning.
Cops...jeesh. AMIRIGHT?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 17, 2015, 08:17:32 AM
http://www.wired.com/2015/08/police-training-seriously-lacking-actual-science/

topical
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 17, 2015, 09:22:27 AM

Who said anything like that?  I'm questioning the naivety that people here have towards police work and specifically how dangerous it is when police encounter armed resistance to civil authority. 
 
And does Arlington PD get it?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/arlington-tex-officer-is-fired-in-fatal-shooting-of-christian-taylor.html?_r=0

I hope your point here isn't that the Arlington PD shouldn't have fired that guy.

You'd have to be pretty rough ridin' daft to get that from my comment.  MiR made the comment that Arlington gets it right when they clearly didn't   As much as MiR wants to spew in this thread, I posted a pretty clear example where the one officer screwed up.  Now I don't know (and we likely never will know how things went down) the most likely scenario is justifiable for the police officer's actions.  But the cop violated policy and good practice and shouldn't be on the force.

I'm confused. I said the Arlington PD gets it, you said they don't, but then your last sentence said "the cop violated policy and good practice and shouldn't be on the force." I think you are so hell bent on arguing and being full of crap that you're confusing yourself.
I don't think you know if you're coming or going at this point.  You said arlington PD "gets it" and I responded because they clearly don't.  That is pretty obvious when you have a rookie cop so emboldened that he wonders off by himself and someone ends up dead.  So no, they don't "get it."  Back to your regularly scheduled flailing.

I took it to mean that they "got it" because they fired the crazy dork.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 17, 2015, 10:05:21 AM
Well it's good they "got it" after a young man died because of crap training.



Additionally have you heard the comments by his parents?  Amazing people, tremendous empathy for the cop.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 17, 2015, 10:56:31 AM
Well it's good they "got it" after a young man died because of crap training.



Additionally have you heard the comments by his parents?  Amazing people, tremendous empathy for the cop.

I'm glad to see that you are familiar with the training practices of the Arlington PD. How in your mind do you square calling the Arlington PD's training "crap" when they fired the officer in training for not doing what he was being taught in said training?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 17, 2015, 11:11:54 AM
http://www.wired.com/2015/08/police-training-seriously-lacking-actual-science/

topical

Good article. Tone, body language, and the actual words cops use matter.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 17, 2015, 02:57:59 PM
Well it's good they "got it" after a young man died because of crap training.



Additionally have you heard the comments by his parents?  Amazing people, tremendous empathy for the cop.

If he had followed his training, he'd still have a job.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 18, 2015, 01:09:37 AM
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/los-angeles-police-pull-guns-pregnant-woman-mistake-video
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 18, 2015, 04:55:46 PM
Well it's good they "got it" after a young man died because of crap training.



Additionally have you heard the comments by his parents?  Amazing people, tremendous empathy for the cop.

If he had followed his training, he'd still have a job.
Well it's good they "got it" after a young man died because of crap training.
Well it's good they "got it" after a young man died because of crap training.



Additionally have you heard the comments by his parents?  Amazing people, tremendous empathy for the cop.

If he had followed his training, he'd still have a job.


Additionally have you heard the comments by his parents?  Amazing people, tremendous empathy for the cop.

I'm glad to see that you are familiar with the training practices of the Arlington PD. How in your mind do you square calling the Arlington PD's training "crap" when they fired the officer in training for not doing what he was being taught in said training?

You guys are creating a bit of a recursive loop here.  If his training was good he would have followed it or, probably more appropriately, would have been washed out.  The bottom line is that he did something he shouldn't have done, yes, but it wasn't a minor accident in protocol.  So somewhere there is a breakdown in training and accountability.  It's good that Arlington PD is being reactive about the situation, but that doesn't change the fact that one man is dead because of a failure of proactive policy.  I will totally agree that having a reactive department is better than having an inert or regressive department.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 18, 2015, 08:34:33 PM
Quote
If his training was good he would have followed it or, probably more appropriately, would have been washed out.

Christ man, you go to pretty extreme lengths to avoid saying "I was wrong." I don't know why I'm continuing this but do you really think their training is bad because this dude didn't follow it? Do you think this for all cases of people not following their training or just in this case to prove your point?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 19, 2015, 12:49:51 AM
Gross
http://www.people.com/article/Convicted-Cop-Bryan-Lee-Used-Craigslist-to-Find-Women-for-Traffic-Stop-Sex
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 19, 2015, 08:50:37 AM
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If his training was good he would have followed it or, probably more appropriately, would have been washed out.

Christ man, you go to pretty extreme lengths to avoid saying "I was wrong." I don't know why I'm continuing this but do you really think their training is bad because this dude didn't follow it? Do you think this for all cases of people not following their training or just in this case to prove your point?
Unlike you have have zero issue saying I'm wrong, when I'm wrong.  You choose to ignore the most reasonable explanation for complex issues.  The reality is these are complex interactions that most people here want to boil down into black and white instances (see people here talking about Cincinnati who didn't understand the grey area the world really works in).  You've come far close to my position than you'd like to admit to yourself with this post hedging your argument and creating an ad hom to attack me instead of realizing that your position of "getting it right" was more an example of the grey area where police interactions are a mostly right or mostly wrong, but with a huge distance in between those two points, far from the black and white/right wrong most people see here.  I was merely pointing out that Arlington PD and this instance are another example where we sit in between the two poles.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 19, 2015, 10:04:16 AM
http://www.npr.org/2015/08/18/432570962/shots-on-the-bridge-unpacks-a-tangled-story-of-deceit-and-tragedy?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150818
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 21, 2015, 11:11:23 AM
warm up the riots
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/us/st-louis-police-shooting/index.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 21, 2015, 11:22:04 AM
warm up the riots
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/us/st-louis-police-shooting/index.html

Was just coming here to post that.  St. Louis has some major crap to work out. 

I just don't get how cops don't learn.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 21, 2015, 11:54:29 AM
warm up the riots
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/us/st-louis-police-shooting/index.html

Was just coming here to post that.  St. Louis has some major crap to work out. 

I just don't get how cops don't learn.
Ummm, what?  I though the police filled all the pre reqs by allowing the guy to get shots off before they returned fire?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 21, 2015, 12:27:48 PM
Shot in back, though.  Once engaged, can one not disengage?

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on August 21, 2015, 12:50:18 PM
Shot in back, though.  Once engaged, can one not disengage?

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The article made it sound like him even having the gun is questionable.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 21, 2015, 12:54:25 PM
warm up the riots
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/us/st-louis-police-shooting/index.html

Was just coming here to post that.  St. Louis has some major crap to work out. 

I just don't get how cops don't learn.
Ummm, what?  I though the police filled all the pre reqs by allowing the guy to get shots off before they returned fire?
What article are you reading?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 21, 2015, 01:14:39 PM
Shot in back, though.  Once engaged, can one not disengage?

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No shots were fired at the police. The police are claiming that he was pointing his gun behind him as he was running away, probably kind of half-turned. It's possible that he would be shot in the back under self defense in that scenario, but not very plausible.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 21, 2015, 01:24:47 PM
Shot in back, though.  Once engaged, can one not disengage?

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No shots were fired at the police. The police are claiming that he was pointing his gun behind him as he was running away, probably kind of half-turned. It's possible that he would be shot in the back under self defense in that scenario, but not very plausible.

One thing that is almost always guaranteed about police is that they lie about any officer-involved shooting that is not caught on camera. And even when it's caught on camera they try to lie!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 21, 2015, 01:26:03 PM
Shot in back, though.  Once engaged, can one not disengage?

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No shots were fired at the police. The police are claiming that he was pointing his gun behind him as he was running away, probably kind of half-turned. It's possible that he would be shot in the back under self defense in that scenario, but not very plausible.

One thing that is almost always guaranteed about police is that they lie about any officer-involved shooting that is not caught on camera. And even when it's caught on camera they try to lie!

EXAMPLE

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/08/cop_shot_himself_and_blamed_a_black_driver_police_officer_kelly_stewart.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 21, 2015, 01:29:34 PM
Yeah, I think it was probably murder, but I'm not sure if it can be proven in court.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 21, 2015, 01:34:37 PM
Shot in back, though.  Once engaged, can one not disengage?

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No shots were fired at the police. The police are claiming that he was pointing his gun behind him as he was running away, probably kind of half-turned. It's possible that he would be shot in the back under self defense in that scenario, but not very plausible.

One thing that is almost always guaranteed about police is that they lie about any officer-involved shooting that is not caught on camera. And even when it's caught on camera they try to lie!
You mean like the Mike Brown shooting where the police narrative was correct?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 21, 2015, 01:38:12 PM
And I was wrong in my other post about Ball-Bey getting a shot off.  And I'm sorry I don't believe the family's narrative when they acknowledge he had weapons.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on August 21, 2015, 01:46:39 PM
Sounds  like a rough neighborhood where police probably fear for their lives and  where the locals who see the police as the enemy, and would like to see 'em dead.  Renocop  would have likely fired if someone was pointing a gun at him.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 21, 2015, 02:14:54 PM
Shot in back, though.  Once engaged, can one not disengage?

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No shots were fired at the police. The police are claiming that he was pointing his gun behind him as he was running away, probably kind of half-turned. It's possible that he would be shot in the back under self defense in that scenario, but not very plausible.

One thing that is almost always guaranteed about police is that they lie about any officer-involved shooting that is not caught on camera. And even when it's caught on camera they try to lie!
You mean like the Mike Brown shooting where the police narrative was correct?

lol
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 21, 2015, 02:16:18 PM
the mike brown shooting where the narrative was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be wrong
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 21, 2015, 02:26:51 PM
the mike brown shooting where the narrative was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be wrong

or nah because grand juries are total hullaballoo
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 21, 2015, 02:27:10 PM
the mike brown shooting where the narrative was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be wrong

Because the DA conducted a defective GJ procedure
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 21, 2015, 02:27:37 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 21, 2015, 02:32:36 PM
3 investigation, 2 of which were independent (1 DOJ investigation that was bent on finding something and the other from the family) and a mountain of forensic evidence don't lie.  If we want to have a reasonable conversation about police conduct, we have to be willing to accept these things called facts.  And when the facts don't support your narrative, that means your narrative is wrong, not the facts.  It might be time to alter your narrative.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 21, 2015, 02:37:50 PM
do you get a commission when a cop shoots somebody?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 21, 2015, 02:42:16 PM
do you get a commission when a cop shoots somebody?

nice fall back
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 21, 2015, 02:42:55 PM
http://usuncut.com/news/cop-busted-on-hidden-camera-extorting-driver-buy-these-or-i-take-your-car/

and you thought your office mates could be pushy about girl scout cookies or boy scout popcorn  :sdeek:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 21, 2015, 02:44:17 PM
do you get a commission when a cop shoots somebody?

nice fall back

if you accept that grand juries are garbage and flawed and trash which exist solely for the purpose of diverting blame, then i will try to accept whatever you were saying up there about that stuff
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 21, 2015, 02:49:26 PM
do you get a commission when a cop shoots somebody?

nice fall back

if you accept that grand juries are garbage and flawed and trash which exist solely for the purpose of diverting blame, then i will try to accept whatever you were saying up there about that stuff

you keep saying that like you are relaying new or useful information.  there were other investigations as I've noted and you still can't dispute the forensic evidence.  get a new talking point. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 21, 2015, 03:06:17 PM
3 investigation, 2 of which were independent (1 DOJ investigation that was bent on finding something and the other from the family) and a mountain of forensic evidence don't lie.  If we want to have a reasonable conversation about police conduct, we have to be willing to accept these things called facts.  And when the facts don't support your narrative, that means your narrative is wrong, not the facts. It might be time to alter your narrative.

Does that hit a little close to home?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 21, 2015, 03:10:03 PM
3 investigation, 2 of which were independent (1 DOJ investigation that was bent on finding something and the other from the family) and a mountain of forensic evidence don't lie.  If we want to have a reasonable conversation about police conduct, we have to be willing to accept these things called facts.  And when the facts don't support your narrative, that means your narrative is wrong, not the facts. It might be time to alter your narrative.

Does that hit a little close to home?

Not at all. I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong and assimilate facts into my view.  Are you, Mich, and Puni ready to do the same?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 21, 2015, 03:18:02 PM
3 investigation, 2 of which were independent (1 DOJ investigation that was bent on finding something and the other from the family) and a mountain of forensic evidence don't lie.  If we want to have a reasonable conversation about police conduct, we have to be willing to accept these things called facts.  And when the facts don't support your narrative, that means your narrative is wrong, not the facts. It might be time to alter your narrative.

Does that hit a little close to home?

Not at all. I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong and assimilate facts into my view.  Are you, Mich, and Puni ready to do the same?

I can certainly admit that the MB shooting has been investigated by 3 different entities and been at least proven to be a close call (meaning no indictment).  I was admitting that back when forensics showed that he was shot in front, instead of in the back as had been previously reported.  I don't think he needed that many shots and I think the subsequent crap storm of pretending MB committed some "Heat" type heist and throwing fake photos of him up was a poor choice by the blue line.  But I was wrong on my initial reaction. 

But that guy in Cincinnati executed the driver and you think its a clean kill.  You gotta admit when a cop kills someone with no justification.   It happens and, n fact, it happens too much.  You gotta admit when they disable security cams and terrorize a store.  You gotta admit it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 21, 2015, 04:02:00 PM
So now we're lying about positions in order to stuff straw men again, awesome. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 22, 2015, 01:58:47 PM
So now we're lying about positions in order to stuff straw men again, awesome.

Did you fail debate?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 22, 2015, 03:30:53 PM
So now we're lying about positions in order to stuff straw men again, awesome.

Did you fail debate?

Really dude?  You're saying I'm for something when I've said many times I'm not.  It's a bullshit, immature, tactic because you can't defend yourself.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 22, 2015, 06:59:24 PM
bitch move dickstone
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 22, 2015, 07:04:08 PM
I don't know where anyone was wrong. Note specifics.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 23, 2015, 02:49:19 AM
bitch move dickstone
the child returns  :blush:
Run along child.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 23, 2015, 09:57:29 AM
Last night in Wichita, a cop got dragged and then shot and killed the driver.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: everyone shut up on August 23, 2015, 10:53:41 AM
Last night in Wichita, a cop got dragged and then shot and killed the driver.
I drove past the scene after it happened. Must have been 30 cop cars there.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 23, 2015, 12:54:46 PM
Last night in Wichita, a cop got dragged and then shot and killed the driver.
I drove past the scene after it happened. Must have been 30 cop cars there.

They had to get their stories straight
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 23, 2015, 03:18:40 PM
I saw this on SnapChat.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 24, 2015, 10:48:52 AM
When will they release the dash/body cam footage from Wichita?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 24, 2015, 11:33:33 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/stop-fcking-crying-mass-cops-hold-naked-woman-and-kids-at-gunpoint-after-raiding-wrong-apartment/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 24, 2015, 11:43:33 AM
Dan Carlin did a pretty good Common Sense a year or so ago on no knock raids and early morning SWAT activities.  He noted stats that showed the use of SWAT teams nationally went from something like 300 times in a year to something like 40000 times per year and noted how federal funds are linked to drug raids, which is the vast majority of what they are used for now.

He was basically saying that police depts are funding themselves by SWAT'ing the eff out of anything they can to earn Fed $. 

He linked that to the militarization of the police force and the issues with the war on drugs in the same podcast.  It was a good listen.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on August 24, 2015, 11:47:44 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/stop-fcking-crying-mass-cops-hold-naked-woman-and-kids-at-gunpoint-after-raiding-wrong-apartment/

Absolutely disgusting and pathetic.

"but court documents show the man police were looking for had been arrested nearly two weeks earlier and listed another address as his home."
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 24, 2015, 12:02:15 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/stop-fcking-crying-mass-cops-hold-naked-woman-and-kids-at-gunpoint-after-raiding-wrong-apartment/

Absolutely disgusting and pathetic.

"but court documents show the man police were looking for had been arrested nearly two weeks earlier and listed another address as his home."

 the lack of professionalism, appropriate training, and due diligence seems to be a recurring theme in this thread.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Bloodfart on August 24, 2015, 08:31:47 PM
crap is not right.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on August 25, 2015, 09:55:10 AM
[ednksu]Hey if you don't want to be treated like a criminal, then don't let criminals randomly use your address unknowingly[/ednksu]
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on August 28, 2015, 04:01:41 PM
Pulled over for DWBAMEC - the acronym will make sense after you read the article

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/28/ohio_driver_john_felton_was_tailed_by_police_after_making_direct_eye_contact.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/28/ohio_driver_john_felton_was_tailed_by_police_after_making_direct_eye_contact.html)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 28, 2015, 04:32:42 PM
[ednksu]Hey if you don't want to be treated like a criminal, then don't let criminals randomly use your address unknowingly[/ednksu]
lol try so hard
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 29, 2015, 02:02:17 AM
I hope Jamycheal Mitchell becomes the face of the need for reforms across the criminal justice system in this country. And when people scoff at #BlackLivesMatter they remember how this guy was treated. But so few will know this story and even fewer will remember. This is the saddest link yet, IMO.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/black-man-held-for-months-for-stealing-5-worth-of-snacks-fou
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Bloodfart on August 29, 2015, 02:08:04 AM
Not sure if this aspect of Freddie Gray has been talked about.  The guy had the deck stacked against him his entire life.  He should have had some sort of medical card or something to alert police of his mental status.  I mean they shouldn't have treated him like a regular criminal.



“Jesus,” Dan Levy, an assistant professor of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University who has studied the effects of lead poisoning on youths, gasped when told of Gray’s levels. “The fact that Mr. Gray had these high levels of lead in all likelihood affected his ability to think and to self-regulate and profoundly affected his cognitive ability to process information.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/freddie-grays-life-a-study-in-the-sad-effects-of-lead-paint-on-poor-blacks/2015/04/29/0be898e6-eea8-11e4-8abc-d6aa3bad79dd_story.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 29, 2015, 08:27:56 PM
This, unbelievably, is not an April Fools prank
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/philadelphia-police-shakedown_55d791c2e4b08cd3359c30f5

W.
T.
F.
????????????
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 31, 2015, 07:26:23 AM
(http://i0.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/copkillings.jpg?resize=960%2C960)

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/22/denver-police-shoot-mentally-ill-native-american.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2015, 07:32:33 AM
14 police officers killed in August, 7 in the last 8 days including the ambush on the deputy in Texas.   Last week multiple officers in the KC metro were shot at . . . Can't imagine why law enforcement is on edge.   
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 31, 2015, 08:33:03 AM
You want to talk about a group of people America has truly mumped over and never had a voice, Native Americans. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 31, 2015, 08:34:22 AM
You want to talk about a group of people America has truly mumped over and never had a voice, Native Americans.

Pretty terrible
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 31, 2015, 10:20:08 AM
14 police officers killed in August, 7 in the last 8 days including the ambush on the deputy in Texas.   Last week multiple officers in the KC metro were shot at . . . Can't imagine why law enforcement is on edge.

Yet overall the number of officers killed in action is down nationwide. If you're a cop getting shot it is an accepted occupational hazard, having rogue cops barge in your house shouldn't be a hazard of taking a shower.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2015, 10:25:34 AM
So getting gunned down execution style while pumping gas is "an accepted occupational hazard"?  Fascinating.

Oh and since you'll knee jerk this, I don't support rogue cops either.   

What percentage of the interactions between law enforcement and the public involve "rogue cops", on a nationwide basis?

Is a police officer driving down the road and having his car blasted with a hail of gunfire, "an accepted occupational hazard"?


Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 31, 2015, 10:27:13 AM
So getting gunned down execution style while pumping gas is "an accepted occupational hazard"?  Fascinating.

Oh and since you'll knee jerk this, I don't support rogue cops either.   

What percentage of the interactions between law enforcement and the public involve "rogue cops", on a nationwide basis?

Is a police officer driving down the road and having his car blasted with a hail of gunfire, "an accepted occupational hazard"?

I think he means "accepted occupational hazard" is something that could happen because you are a police officer.  getting shot at seems to fit that
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 31, 2015, 10:27:46 AM
it is apparent that getting gunned down at any time doing anything is an occupational hazard of being an american in america
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2015, 10:28:59 AM
I suppose, what' the generally accepted threshold of gunned down lawn enforcement officers before a national movement to understand the situation needs to be started?

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 31, 2015, 10:49:07 AM
I suppose, what' the generally accepted threshold of gunned down lawn enforcement officers before a national movement to understand the situation needs to be started?

I think as rates are going down even as population goes up, you are trending in the preferred direction.  Yes?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 31, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
how many cops were knifed to death in that same timeframe? probably like double?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 31, 2015, 10:58:24 AM
I suppose, what' the generally accepted threshold of gunned down lawn enforcement officers before a national movement to understand the situation needs to be started?

We should arm the cops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 31, 2015, 10:59:08 AM
I suppose, what' the generally accepted threshold of gunned down lawn enforcement officers before a national movement to understand the situation needs to be started?

We should arm the cops

makes sense. if the cops were carrying guns and wearing body armor, attackers would definitely be deterred.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2015, 11:04:53 AM
I suppose, what' the generally accepted threshold of gunned down lawn enforcement officers before a national movement to understand the situation needs to be started?

I think as rates are going down even as population goes up, you are trending in the preferred direction.  Yes?

Sure. 

Has the 14 killed in the last month been factored into that trendline?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 31, 2015, 11:12:47 AM
I suppose, what' the generally accepted threshold of gunned down lawn enforcement officers before a national movement to understand the situation needs to be started?

I think as rates are going down even as population goes up, you are trending in the preferred direction.  Yes?

Sure. 

Has the 14 killed in the last month been factored into that trendline?

It sure looks like it has been factored into the 2015 numbers.  should we update it real time?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2015, 11:13:37 AM
In the world of Big Data, pretty much anything can be updated real time.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 31, 2015, 11:19:54 AM
In the world of Big Data, pretty much anything can be updated real time.

Let's do it then!  Excited to see if the police under siege worse than ever is really happening!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2015, 11:20:53 AM
In the world of Big Data, pretty much anything can be updated real time.

Let's do it then!  Excited to see if the police under siege worse than ever is really happening!

Who said anything about "ever"?

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 31, 2015, 11:21:50 AM
In the world of Big Data, pretty much anything can be updated real time.

Let's do it then!  Excited to see if the police under siege worse than ever is really happening!

Who said anything about "ever"?

Well when then?  I need your control
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2015, 11:22:41 AM
In the world of Big Data, pretty much anything can be updated real time.

Let's do it then!  Excited to see if the police under siege worse than ever is really happening!

Who said anything about "ever"?

Well when then?  I need your control

Show me the "trendline" data, is it like the national debt clock? 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 31, 2015, 11:27:14 AM
In the world of Big Data, pretty much anything can be updated real time.

Let's do it then!  Excited to see if the police under siege worse than ever is really happening!

Who said anything about "ever"?

Well when then?  I need your control

Show me the "trendline" data, is it like the national debt clock?

I suppose it could be.  I am just going off the FBI data.

Again, what is your control year?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2015, 11:28:11 AM
In the world of Big Data, pretty much anything can be updated real time.

Let's do it then!  Excited to see if the police under siege worse than ever is really happening!

Who said anything about "ever"?

Well when then?  I need your control

Show me the "trendline" data, is it like the national debt clock?

I suppose it could be.  I am just going off the FBI data.

Again, what is your control year?

 :dunno:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 31, 2015, 11:28:58 AM
In the world of Big Data, pretty much anything can be updated real time.

Let's do it then!  Excited to see if the police under siege worse than ever is really happening!

Who said anything about "ever"?

Well when then?  I need your control

Show me the "trendline" data, is it like the national debt clock?

I suppose it could be.  I am just going off the FBI data.

Again, what is your control year?

 :dunno:

 :Wha:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 31, 2015, 11:40:24 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2015, 11:44:02 AM
I guess I don't get what's funny, but lib has always been a little hyperactive on the  :lol:  when he really has nothing to add, which is more often than he realizes, but I digress.

Pick a year Dug
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 31, 2015, 11:45:33 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 31, 2015, 02:52:23 PM
I guess I don't get what's funny, but lib has always been a little hyperactive on the  :lol:  when he really has nothing to add, which is more often than he realizes, but I digress.

Pick a year Dug

1965
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 31, 2015, 05:46:45 PM
I suppose, what' the generally accepted threshold of gunned down lawn enforcement officers before a national movement to understand the situation needs to be started?

I think as rates are going down even as population goes up, you are trending in the preferred direction.  Yes?

Sure. 

Has the 14 killed in the last month been factored into that trendline?

ABC News said 14 this calendar year, where are you getting 14 in the last month?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2015, 06:11:38 PM
I heard it on the radio, but it seems like all things in the media they didn't clarify that it was all situations in the line of duty, "only" 6 were gunfire related per the odmp.org in August, and 23 gunfire related deaths this year.   6 out of 23 YTD gunfire deaths to law enforcement occurred in August. 





Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on September 01, 2015, 07:52:41 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-map-us-police-killings
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on September 01, 2015, 07:54:01 AM
http://www.weather.com/safety/heat/news/police-dog-deaths-hot-car

and add these two

http://istilllovedogs.com/2015/08/two-maryland-police-dogs-die-when-cars-air-conditioner-fails/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on September 01, 2015, 07:54:02 AM
Cops with a big lead, perps are going to have to come on strong to make this a game
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MeatSauce on September 01, 2015, 10:34:53 AM
http://www.ksat.com/news/ksatcom-exclusive-unedited-video-of-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting

warning: video contains [another] murder
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on September 01, 2015, 10:38:25 AM
Dude had his hands in the air when they shot him.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2015, 10:45:56 AM
http://www.ksat.com/news/ksatcom-exclusive-unedited-video-of-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting

warning: video contains [another] murder

what the eff is wrong with cops?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 01, 2015, 10:59:06 AM
http://www.ksat.com/news/ksatcom-exclusive-unedited-video-of-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting

warning: video contains [another] murder

what the eff is wrong with cops?

they forget they are being recorded
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 01, 2015, 12:17:03 PM
And then they didn't even attempt first aid, they shot him in cold blood and just stared at his body until the paramedics arrived 3 minutes later. WTF. They better be charged with murder today, it's ridiculous that if this news station didn't release the entire video it seems like they wouldn't have been charged.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 01, 2015, 12:34:01 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/01/us/san-antonio-bexar-county-texas-police-shooting/index.html

Quote
On Monday, the sheriff's office tweeted a statement that said "broadcasting a man's death for $100 sparked threats to our deputies' lives. Let KSAT know what you think."


eff the police
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2015, 12:42:37 PM
And then they didn't even attempt first aid, they shot him in cold blood and just stared at his body until the paramedics arrived 3 minutes later. WTF. They better be charged with murder today, it's ridiculous that if this news station didn't release the entire video it seems like they wouldn't have been charged.

After watching compilations of cops murdering people, I've learned they pretty much always ignore first aid when they murder people.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on September 01, 2015, 12:46:00 PM
their word against yours is their worst case scenario.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2015, 12:51:39 PM
their word against yours is their worst case scenario.

yep
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 01, 2015, 01:05:02 PM
This is one of the clear shooting cases that you can clearly make the claim to at least 2nd degree murder.  I would be interested to see their justification for the shooting.  I wish you could clearly see the left hand, but that doesn't matter much since it seems like he has both arms raised. 

edit: I knew the statement would angle towards the left arm, per the CNN article. I wonder what the other video shows. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on September 01, 2015, 01:11:46 PM
Perps catching up in Fox Lake, IL.

Updated scoreboard:
Cops: 767
Perps: 24
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2015, 01:13:05 PM
This is one of the clear shooting cases that you can clearly make the claim to at least 2nd degree murder.  I would be interested to see their justification for the shooting.  I wish you could clearly see the left hand, but that doesn't matter much since it seems like he has both arms raised. 

edit: I knew the statement would angle towards the left arm, per the CNN article. I wonder what the other video shows. 

the other video shows cops murdering a guy
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 01, 2015, 01:14:54 PM
LOL
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 01, 2015, 01:17:23 PM
I'm not going to look back, but has the kid in SC who was gunned down by police back in early August/Late July been discussed?   A private autopsy showed he'd been shot in the back, over a bag of ganja, unarmed.   Not much outrage though. 

I know Alex Jones is nuts, hyperbolic and over-the-top on many things, but he's been pretty much spot on for years discussing the over aggression and militarization of the police.    I know there's lots of bad guys armed to the teeth out there (many with illegally obtained guns), but a 19 year old kid in a car with some weed and a date eating an ice cream cone is not one of them.

I'm also very happy the man who is getting out of prison today in Missouri after being sentenced to life over weed.   I'm not against a little jail time, with emphasis on a little as in a few days to maybe a week or two for perpetual drug offenders, but come on, life??    Our sentencing in this country is so whacked out, with people who have consensual sex in public or show (gasp) their boobies or recreational drug users being threatened with jail terms longer than violent criminals.    It's just totally whackadoodle.   
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 01, 2015, 01:22:16 PM
I'm not going to look back, but has the kid in SC who was gunned down by police back in early August/Late July been discussed?   A private autopsy showed he'd been shot in the back, over a bag of ganja, unarmed.   Not much outrage though. 


Is that the one that was in Hardee's (on something like that) parking lot on a first date? It has been discussed here, I believe.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2015, 01:23:38 PM
I'm not going to look back, but has the kid in SC who was gunned down by police back in early August/Late July been discussed?   A private autopsy showed he'd been shot in the back, over a bag of ganja, unarmed.   Not much outrage though.

yes it was discussed.

It's an interesting case in that white people bring it up as a "lack of outrage" story rather than a "cop murdering people" story.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 01, 2015, 01:47:38 PM
I'm not going to look back, but has the kid in SC who was gunned down by police back in early August/Late July been discussed?   A private autopsy showed he'd been shot in the back, over a bag of ganja, unarmed.   Not much outrage though. 

I know Alex Jones is nuts, hyperbolic and over-the-top on many things, but he's been pretty much spot on for years discussing the over aggression and militarization of the police.    I know there's lots of bad guys armed to the teeth out there (many with illegally obtained guns), but a 19 year old kid in a car with some weed and a date eating an ice cream cone is not one of them.

I'm also very happy the man who is getting out of prison today in Missouri after being sentenced to life over weed.   I'm not against a little jail time, with emphasis on a little as in a few days to maybe a week or two for perpetual drug offenders, but come on, life??    Our sentencing in this country is so whacked out, with people who have consensual sex in public or show (gasp) their boobies or recreational drug users being threatened with jail terms longer than violent criminals.    It's just totally whackadoodle.

i think you are talking about the guy who scuffled and then ran away and got wasted? i think edn proved it was a clean kill but the cop was fired and charged with murder (only after the video came out)

i havent looked up to see where thats at recently
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 01, 2015, 01:48:44 PM
oh , different case maybe!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on September 01, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
oh , different case maybe!

There's so many that sometimes it's hard to keep them all straight!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 01, 2015, 01:58:02 PM
oh , different case maybe!

There's so many that sometimes it's hard to keep them all straight!

whoopsies!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 01, 2015, 02:37:29 PM
I'm not going to look back, but has the kid in SC who was gunned down by police back in early August/Late July been discussed?   A private autopsy showed he'd been shot in the back, over a bag of ganja, unarmed.   Not much outrage though. 

I know Alex Jones is nuts, hyperbolic and over-the-top on many things, but he's been pretty much spot on for years discussing the over aggression and militarization of the police.    I know there's lots of bad guys armed to the teeth out there (many with illegally obtained guns), but a 19 year old kid in a car with some weed and a date eating an ice cream cone is not one of them.

I'm also very happy the man who is getting out of prison today in Missouri after being sentenced to life over weed.   I'm not against a little jail time, with emphasis on a little as in a few days to maybe a week or two for perpetual drug offenders, but come on, life??    Our sentencing in this country is so whacked out, with people who have consensual sex in public or show (gasp) their boobies or recreational drug users being threatened with jail terms longer than violent criminals.    It's just totally whackadoodle.

It's very wonky, I agree fully
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 01, 2015, 03:05:47 PM
wonk has been around, ya know, like a long time.   Weird you had never heard it before.   Sheltered life?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 01, 2015, 03:15:19 PM
I'm agreeing with you weirdo  :curse:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 01, 2015, 04:56:09 PM
I'm agreeing with you weirdo  :curse:

Yeah, I know.   
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: TheHamburglar on September 01, 2015, 09:34:16 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/01/us/san-antonio-bexar-county-texas-police-shooting/index.html

Quote
On Monday, the sheriff's office tweeted a statement that said "broadcasting a man's death for $100 sparked threats to our deputies' lives. Let KSAT know what you think."


eff the police

In the full tweet they also included the station phone number.  This is sickening.  I'm guessing they're slow playing the other video because they want to have their stories straight and a plan (to hopefully arrest the cops) rather than the uproar that would happen with "here's a better video of a murder, see you tomorrow".  However, taunting the station just seems crazy.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 01, 2015, 11:00:39 PM
Officers killed in the line of duty by gunfire

2015- 23
2014- 47
2013- 31
2012- 48
2011- 68
2010- 59

So when people try to tell you that Black Lives Matter is a war on cops let's all vow to tell everyone how shitty Black Lives Matter people are in getting cops killed.

Also it was revealed today that the guy who shot the cop in Houston was ruled mentally unfit to stand trial for a crime in 2012 but he apparently never made it to treatment. Another nut with a gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 02, 2015, 12:51:28 PM
Seems like guns are the real common issue.  Weird. 

I mean, crazy, racist, militant, cop hard on, etc have all participated in the killings of citizens lately.  Seems like common sense to tackle the one commonality.   :dunno:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 02, 2015, 01:17:28 PM
Seems like guns are the real common issue.  Weird. 

I mean, crazy, racist, militant, cop hard on, etc have all participated in the killings of citizens lately.  Seems like common sense to tackle the one commonality.   :dunno:
Yeah I have zero doubt that cops would murder fewer citizens if they weren't allowed to have guns.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on September 02, 2015, 01:21:12 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/01/us/san-antonio-bexar-county-texas-police-shooting/index.html

Quote
On Monday, the sheriff's office tweeted a statement that said "broadcasting a man's death for $100 sparked threats to our deputies' lives. Let KSAT know what you think."


eff the police

holy crap
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Unruly on September 02, 2015, 02:46:58 PM
Claiming the dude had a knife in his hand now.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 02, 2015, 03:25:20 PM
Claiming the dude had a knife in his hand now.

The hand he had over his head as he surrendered?  Or did he have a duct tape holster on his back with a knife in it?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Unruly on September 02, 2015, 03:29:05 PM
Claiming the dude had a knife in his hand now.

The hand he had over his head as he surrendered?  Or did he have a duct tape holster on his back with a knife in it?

Probably the hand you cant see behind the pole in the video. The cops say they have a 2nd video that hasn't been released to the public that has been submit as evidence for the investigation.  (kinda sounds like a suicide by cop situ)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 02, 2015, 03:30:33 PM
suicide by cop

(not blaming you, Unruly), but HOW THE eff DID THIS BECOME A PHRASE PEOPLE USE
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Unruly on September 02, 2015, 03:32:16 PM
suicide by cop

(not blaming you, Unruly), but HOW THE eff DID THIS BECOME A PHRASE PEOPLE USE

People want to commit suicide but cant find a way to do it so they go to someone with the ability to kill them and threaten them into killing them :dunno:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 02, 2015, 03:33:46 PM
suicide by cop

(not blaming you, Unruly), but HOW THE eff DID THIS BECOME A PHRASE PEOPLE USE

People want to commit suicide but cant find a way to do it so they go to someone with the ability to kill them and threaten them into killing them :dunno:

yeah COPS AREN'T REQUIRED TO COMPLY

Especially in this case. good grief.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 02, 2015, 03:40:12 PM
If it was a "suicide by cop" situation, I think he changed his mind and decided he wanted to live when he raised his hands over his head.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 02, 2015, 06:51:30 PM
Claiming the dude had a knife in his hand now.

The hand he had over his head as he surrendered?  Or did he have a duct tape holster on his back with a knife in it?

Probably the hand you cant see behind the pole in the video. The cops say they have a 2nd video that hasn't been released to the public that has been submit as evidence for the investigation.  (kinda sounds like a suicide by cop situ)

Does the second video show the cops rendering aide or are they just putzing around after they shot him on that one too? I'm not watching it again but I don't think they even touched the guy with their hands after they shot him dead.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on September 02, 2015, 08:05:41 PM
Just another day, another dollar. More money, more murder.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 03, 2015, 12:06:34 PM
Claiming the dude had a knife in his hand now.

The hand he had over his head as he surrendered?  Or did he have a duct tape holster on his back with a knife in it?

Probably the hand you cant see behind the pole in the video. The cops say they have a 2nd video that hasn't been released to the public that has been submit as evidence for the investigation.  (kinda sounds like a suicide by cop situ)

What part of suicide by cop involves raising your hands over your head?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 03, 2015, 12:14:09 PM
Claiming the dude had a knife in his hand now.

The hand he had over his head as he surrendered?  Or did he have a duct tape holster on his back with a knife in it?

Probably the hand you cant see behind the pole in the video. The cops say they have a 2nd video that hasn't been released to the public that has been submit as evidence for the investigation.  (kinda sounds like a suicide by cop situ)

What part of suicide by cop involves raising your hands over your head?
You don't want to risk your radius or ulna deflecting that fatal shot.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 03, 2015, 01:19:35 PM
Claiming the dude had a knife in his hand now.

The hand he had over his head as he surrendered?  Or did he have a duct tape holster on his back with a knife in it?

Probably the hand you cant see behind the pole in the video. The cops say they have a 2nd video that hasn't been released to the public that has been submit as evidence for the investigation.  (kinda sounds like a suicide by cop situ)

What part of suicide by cop involves raising your hands over your head?
You don't want to risk your radius or ulna deflecting that fatal shot.

No cop shoots only one shot. You are getting shot like 12 times if the police shoot you down.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 03, 2015, 04:39:35 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/ma-police-officer-who-said-cruiser-was-shot-at-made-the-whole-thing-up/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on September 03, 2015, 04:47:21 PM
Well he was fired. Case closed.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 08, 2015, 11:04:19 AM
Another settlement(Baltimore v Freddy Gray), another multi million dollar tax payer payout ($6.4M), all because cops doing something so obviously dumb.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2015, 05:11:19 PM
 :curse: http://espn.go.com/tennis/usopen15/story/_/id/13618482/james-blake-tackled-handcuffed-nypd-case-mistaken-identity

NYC has to have the stupidest cops in America, at what point is the commissioners job at risk?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on September 09, 2015, 05:22:04 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/39b01d4efe64a4086ba9dad2d3debe30.jpg)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 09, 2015, 05:49:55 PM
:curse: http://espn.go.com/tennis/usopen15/story/_/id/13618482/james-blake-tackled-handcuffed-nypd-case-mistaken-identity

NYC has to have the stupidest cops in America, at what point is the commissioners job at risk?
this crap is so rough ridin' old.    He should sue them just for the principle.  I mean, if their own department isn't going to make the changes,  maybe personal lawsuits will.  He has the means.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2015, 06:14:17 PM
Cops are being hunted, boo rough ridin' hoo
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/houston-cops-shoot-unarmed-black-patient-in-hospital-and-then-charge-him-with-assault/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on September 09, 2015, 08:05:50 PM
Is it common for hospital security guards to carry weapons?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 09, 2015, 08:35:07 PM
Nope
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on September 09, 2015, 08:45:14 PM
I didn't think so. Why the eff did he even have it? Just so that he could blast some mental health patients?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 09, 2015, 09:21:09 PM
Obvsly he isn't a man without it.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Canary on September 09, 2015, 09:22:18 PM
Cops are being hunted, boo rough ridin' hoo
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/houston-cops-shoot-unarmed-black-patient-in-hospital-and-then-charge-him-with-assault/
Wow.  Terrible on all counts. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on September 09, 2015, 10:08:37 PM
Why are service weapons taken home?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 09, 2015, 10:44:48 PM
I saw a security guard on Bart the other day with his pistol. He also had an insanely ridiculous phone. I tried to take a photo, but i was worried he might shoot me. I'll see if I still have it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on September 09, 2015, 10:48:12 PM
I tried to take a photo, but i was worried he might shoot me.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 09, 2015, 10:49:55 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/14f42ded6d652e76081e388279e6a791.jpg)

Here's a better shot of the phone. (No pun intended)

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/6c3c1a21e8cb4fae91b55e2b5ccc8a52.jpg)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 09, 2015, 10:50:31 PM
He was texting on this phone but also had an iphone in his back pocket.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 10, 2015, 07:06:20 AM
Does that thing have a rough ridin' serial port on the side?

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2015, 08:25:32 AM
Does that thing have a rough ridin' serial port on the side?

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I think it is a button
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 10, 2015, 08:42:24 AM
:curse: http://espn.go.com/tennis/usopen15/story/_/id/13618482/james-blake-tackled-handcuffed-nypd-case-mistaken-identity

NYC has to have the stupidest cops in America, at what point is the commissioners job at risk?

So the motherfucking commissioner is blaming the incident on the i.d. of Blake by the victim and says that the notion of race having anything to do with this incident as "nonsense." Thing is Blake never said the false arrest was because of his race but how he was treated when he was detained.Bratton's cops will continue to do crap like this because it's obvious that he doesn't want to deal with the behavior of his thugs masquerading as police.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on September 10, 2015, 03:16:25 PM
https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/10/the-myth-of-the-war-on-cops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 10, 2015, 03:22:04 PM
(https://d1ai9qtk9p41kl.cloudfront.net/assets/mc/jwalker/2015_09/aei1.jpg?h=340&w=600)

Oh man! 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 10, 2015, 03:24:42 PM
https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/10/the-myth-of-the-war-on-cops

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on September 11, 2015, 11:03:46 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/us/oregon-clatskanie-police-chief-racism-allegations/

If you needed any more proof that the #bluelivesmatter crazies are more dangerous than Kim Davis supporters, here is an honest cop getting death threats for reporting racism in his department.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 11, 2015, 03:31:38 PM
Nope
wrong
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 11, 2015, 03:33:25 PM
Cops are being hunted, boo rough ridin' hoo
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/houston-cops-shoot-unarmed-black-patient-in-hospital-and-then-charge-him-with-assault/

wtf else do you want him to do?  also the statement about being trained to deal with mental health people is rough ridin' bullshit.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 11, 2015, 03:38:16 PM
Cops are being hunted, boo rough ridin' hoo
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/houston-cops-shoot-unarmed-black-patient-in-hospital-and-then-charge-him-with-assault/

wtf else do you want him to do?

Anything else, really.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 11, 2015, 03:55:48 PM
Cops are being hunted, boo rough ridin' hoo
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/houston-cops-shoot-unarmed-black-patient-in-hospital-and-then-charge-him-with-assault/

wtf else do you want him to do?

Anything else, really.

Think logically, and than think of the bullshit statement from the staff.  Logic kind flies in the face of what people want to believe in this scenario.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 11, 2015, 04:03:08 PM
Cops are being hunted, boo rough ridin' hoo
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/houston-cops-shoot-unarmed-black-patient-in-hospital-and-then-charge-him-with-assault/

wtf else do you want him to do?

Anything else, really.

Think logically, and than think of the bullshit statement from the staff.  Logic kind flies in the face of what people want to believe in this scenario.

I didn't see a statement from the staff. There was a statement from a petition started by health care professionals that I thought was appropriate. There were 2 officers. The man was admitted into a hospital. They knew he was unarmed. There is no scenario in which shooting the guy in the chest is appropriate.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 11, 2015, 04:16:35 PM
Cops are being hunted, boo rough ridin' hoo
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/houston-cops-shoot-unarmed-black-patient-in-hospital-and-then-charge-him-with-assault/

wtf else do you want him to do?  also the statement about being trained to deal with mental health people is rough ridin' bullshit.

What?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 11, 2015, 04:22:57 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/nyregion/video-captures-new-york-officer-manhandling-tennis-star-during-arrest.html?_r=0
 :surprised:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 11, 2015, 04:27:58 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/nyregion/video-captures-new-york-officer-manhandling-tennis-star-during-arrest.html?_r=0
 :surprised:

i know, i'm surprised that that cop passed up on the opportunity for a clean killtm too
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 11, 2015, 04:28:28 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/14f42ded6d652e76081e388279e6a791.jpg)

Here's a better shot of the phone. (No pun intended)

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/6c3c1a21e8cb4fae91b55e2b5ccc8a52.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5STYdVD-fJ4
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 11, 2015, 04:29:23 PM
is it a super phone for talking underground? bart has subways, right?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 11, 2015, 04:31:37 PM
is it a super phone for talking underground? bart has subways, right?
It was used in the subway so maybe you're right!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 11, 2015, 04:31:56 PM
don't get pissed at me because you people can't see the logical fallacy here.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on September 11, 2015, 04:32:58 PM
when dugout calls you from that phone, you answer
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 11, 2015, 04:37:37 PM
don't get pissed at me because you people can't see the logical fallacy here.

Maybe you could try pointing it out.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 11, 2015, 04:41:03 PM
don't get pissed at me because you people can't see the logical fallacy here.

What?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 11, 2015, 04:41:36 PM
don't get pissed at me because you people can't see the logical fallacy here.

Maybe you could try pointing it out.
either the statement by the nurses is a self aggrandizing lie or the shoot was justified.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 11, 2015, 04:46:56 PM
If anyone continues to press edna on this you get what you deserve :Crazy:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 11, 2015, 04:52:37 PM
I would like to see the pic of the guy that they mis-ID'ed Blake as being.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 11, 2015, 04:53:09 PM
don't get pissed at me because you people can't see the logical fallacy here.

Maybe you could try pointing it out.
either the statement by the nurses is a self aggrandizing lie or the shoot was justified.

Maybe you could try explaining what makes this shooting justified.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 11, 2015, 04:54:18 PM
I would like to see the pic of the guy that they mis-ID'ed Blake as being.

(https://rickeyorg-rickeyllc.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/beverlyhillscop_620_082912.jpg)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 11, 2015, 04:55:11 PM
I can see it
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 11, 2015, 04:55:58 PM
I would like to see the pic of the guy that they mis-ID'ed Blake as being.

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2356261.1441932934!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/lupica11n-1-web.jpg)

Funny thing is this was the wrong guy too
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 11, 2015, 06:24:08 PM
If anyone continues to press edna on this you get what you deserve :Crazy:

Yeah logic has escaped you before.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 11, 2015, 06:30:00 PM
don't get pissed at me because you people can't see the logical fallacy here.

Maybe you could try pointing it out.
either the statement by the nurses is a self aggrandizing lie or the shoot was justified.

Maybe you could try explaining what makes this shooting justified.

Look at the contents of the staff's letter.  They claim to have these great techniques to ID and subdue people with mental health issues.  Those obviously failed.  So now we have someone who is a great enough threat to the staff (which said they could subdue him) who feel the need to call in extra help (ie people who know how to subdue people).  At that point those trained people took action with physical force.  That did not work.  The progressed to their next level on their force progression and attempted to use a taser or like device.  That did not work.  The next level wasn't to get the person a cup of coffee and discuss how many hugs their parents did or did not give them.  That is the unfortunate reality of violent encounters.  We have one security guard with a cut on the head, which sounds innocuous enough when read, but anyone who knows head lacerations know they bleed like a mother rough rider and that would escalate the fear that something really bad had happened to the security guard. 

The fault here lies with the hospital staff, the same people claiming to have these awesome techniques to deal with people, who failed to ID the patient's needs, failed to keep them in the hospital or even the correct ward, and failed to deal with the situation as it escalated.  At a certain point the situation has reached a violent point of no return, and that is very unfortunate, but the safety of the officers and staff needs to be valued over that person who is in the middle of a mental break.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 11, 2015, 10:59:52 PM
don't get pissed at me because you people can't see the logical fallacy here.

Maybe you could try pointing it out.
either the statement by the nurses is a self aggrandizing lie or the shoot was justified.

Maybe you could try explaining what makes this shooting justified.

Look at the contents of the staff's letter.  They claim to have these great techniques to ID and subdue people with mental health issues.  Those obviously failed.  So now we have someone who is a great enough threat to the staff (which said they could subdue him) who feel the need to call in extra help (ie people who know how to subdue people).  At that point those trained people took action with physical force.  That did not work.  The progressed to their next level on their force progression and attempted to use a taser or like device.  That did not work.  The next level wasn't to get the person a cup of coffee and discuss how many hugs their parents did or did not give them.  That is the unfortunate reality of violent encounters.  We have one security guard with a cut on the head, which sounds innocuous enough when read, but anyone who knows head lacerations know they bleed like a mother rough rider and that would escalate the fear that something really bad had happened to the security guard. 

The fault here lies with the hospital staff, the same people claiming to have these awesome techniques to deal with people, who failed to ID the patient's needs, failed to keep them in the hospital or even the correct ward, and failed to deal with the situation as it escalated.  At a certain point the situation has reached a violent point of no return, and that is very unfortunate, but the safety of the officers and staff needs to be valued over that person who is in the middle of a mental break.

That letter wasn't from the staff. The staff failed to properly subdue the guy and then shot him in the chest.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on September 12, 2015, 03:19:16 AM
Yes. He is a hospital security guard. Not acting as a police officer.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 14, 2015, 02:05:54 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/oklahoma-cop-breaks-mans-face-and-charges-him-with-assault-for-no-apparent-reason/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on September 15, 2015, 10:15:56 AM

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/oklahoma-cop-breaks-mans-face-and-charges-him-with-assault-for-no-apparent-reason/

What do you expect, he had an unpaid parking ticket? Frankly, he probably deserved to get Judged.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 15, 2015, 10:22:49 AM
whenever i see a cop pass up on an opportunity for an obvious clean kill, i get a little bit sad for ednaksu. i am a very empathetic person.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 10:24:43 AM
whenever i see a cop pass up on an opportunity for an obvious clean kill, i get a little bit sad for ednaksu. i am a very empathetic person.
oh man how did you get so edgy?  way to take lessons from Fake.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 10:27:06 AM
whenever i see a cop pass up on an opportunity for an obvious clean kill, i get a little bit sad for ednaksu. i am a very empathetic person.

This cop probably would have been a lot better off if he had just killed the guy. You can't claim self defense when you beat the crap out of somebody like you can when you decide to discharge your service weapon.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 10:29:41 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/oklahoma-cop-breaks-mans-face-and-charges-him-with-assault-for-no-apparent-reason/
just another reason why body cameras are a good thing. we can see whether or not his story holds water and the cop assaulted him or if there was a confrontation as the cop reports.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 10:33:04 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/oklahoma-cop-breaks-mans-face-and-charges-him-with-assault-for-no-apparent-reason/
just another reason why body cameras are a good thing. we can see whether or not his story holds water and the cop assaulted him or if there was a confrontation as the cop reports.

(http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Chris-Barger-KFOR-800x430.png)

The officer claims his glasses got knocked off, though. Better consult the body cam to figure this one out.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 15, 2015, 10:33:31 AM
whenever i see a cop pass up on an opportunity for an obvious clean kill, i get a little bit sad for ednaksu. i am a very empathetic person.
oh man how did you get so edgy?  way to take lessons from Fake.

sorry, i meant to post this in another thread where i thought you wouldnt see it!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 10:56:03 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/oklahoma-cop-breaks-mans-face-and-charges-him-with-assault-for-no-apparent-reason/
just another reason why body cameras are a good thing. we can see whether or not his story holds water and the cop assaulted him or if there was a confrontation as the cop reports.

(http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Chris-Barger-KFOR-800x430.png)

The officer claims his glasses got knocked off, though. Better consult the body cam to figure this one out.

You wanna let me take a couple punches to your face in a head lock and see how you look?  Pro tip, if you put your hands on the officer in a violent physical action, there will be measure taken to ensure their safety, including physical force.  This scenario is yet another reason why we need body cams to sort out a mess instead of leaving us with this he said crap where a bunch of try hard bitches complain about police brutality assuming the cop is 100% in the wrong 100% of the time.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 10:58:00 AM
whenever i see a cop pass up on an opportunity for an obvious clean kill, i get a little bit sad for ednaksu. i am a very empathetic person.
oh man how did you get so edgy?  way to take lessons from Fake.

sorry, i meant to post this in another thread where i thought you wouldnt see it!

oh man trying soooo hard
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 11:00:38 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/oklahoma-cop-breaks-mans-face-and-charges-him-with-assault-for-no-apparent-reason/
just another reason why body cameras are a good thing. we can see whether or not his story holds water and the cop assaulted him or if there was a confrontation as the cop reports.

(http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Chris-Barger-KFOR-800x430.png)

The officer claims his glasses got knocked off, though. Better consult the body cam to figure this one out.

You wanna let me take a couple punches to your face in a head lock and see how you look?  Pro tip, if you put your hands on the officer in a violent physical action, there will be measure taken to ensure their safety, including physical force.  This scenario is yet another reason why we need body cams to sort out a mess instead of leaving us with this he said crap where a bunch of try hard bitches complain about police brutality assuming the cop is 100% in the wrong 100% of the time.

Maybe the officer should have tried not punching the guy in the face after he had him in a headlock.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 11:06:50 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/oklahoma-cop-breaks-mans-face-and-charges-him-with-assault-for-no-apparent-reason/
just another reason why body cameras are a good thing. we can see whether or not his story holds water and the cop assaulted him or if there was a confrontation as the cop reports.

(http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Chris-Barger-KFOR-800x430.png)

The officer claims his glasses got knocked off, though. Better consult the body cam to figure this one out.

You wanna let me take a couple punches to your face in a head lock and see how you look?  Pro tip, if you put your hands on the officer in a violent physical action, there will be measure taken to ensure their safety, including physical force.  This scenario is yet another reason why we need body cams to sort out a mess instead of leaving us with this he said crap where a bunch of try hard bitches complain about police brutality assuming the cop is 100% in the wrong 100% of the time.

Maybe the officer should have tried not punching the guy in the face after he had him in a headlock.

Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on September 15, 2015, 11:08:15 AM
This thread makes me want to fight edn
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on September 15, 2015, 11:09:15 AM
it's taking all the effort i can muster to not requote every post today with relevant "break stuff" lyrics
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 11:17:38 AM
This thread makes me want to fight edn
you must really hate body cameras
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 11:19:46 AM
Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

I'd like to see a photo of the officer. The police are saying he got his glasses knocked off, but they probably just fell off when he was kicking the crap out of this guy for stepping out of his vehicle.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MeatSauce on September 15, 2015, 11:32:40 AM
You wanna let me take a couple punches to your face in a head lock and see how you look?  Pro tip, if you put your hands on the officer in a violent physical action, there will be measure taken to ensure their safety, including physical force.  This scenario is yet another reason why we need body cams to sort out a mess instead of leaving us with this he said crap where a bunch of try hard bitches complain about police brutality assuming the cop is 100% in the wrong 100% of the time.

Quote
“I saw the guy get out of the car, walk toward the officer a little bit and stopped,” the witness said. “There was a little distance between them, and I saw the officer rush him.”

The police report shows Barger raised his hands after the officer pointed his gun at him, but Barger and the witness both said the officer charged toward him and placed him in a headlock.

“By the time he threw me on the ground and hit me a couple times with his elbow, at that point, I was like, ‘This isn’t a police officer — this is just some guy here to kill me,’” Barger said.

The witness said Barger screamed for help as the officer repeatedly punched him.

“They were on the ground for a good two or three minutes, and the guy was screaming, ‘Somebody help me, somebody help me, I don’t know why you’re doing this,’” the witness said.

 :confused:
what are we missing edn?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 11:37:38 AM
Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

I'd like to see a photo of the officer. The police are saying he got his glasses knocked off, but they probably just fell off when he was kicking the crap out of this guy for stepping out of his vehicle.
See this post is the perfect example of a total failure to understand how to live in civil society.  Reciprocal damage to the cop isn't necessary for a cop to have a justified use of force.  It has to be reasonable and a proportional response to end the threat.  That much damage could easily be done with 3 punches to the face.  That could be done in the blink of an eye in a violent encounter with anyone. This type of attitude on display from you people also demands a cop be shot before they can return fire.  It's just absurd to live in your reality.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 11:39:48 AM
Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

I'd like to see a photo of the officer. The police are saying he got his glasses knocked off, but they probably just fell off when he was kicking the crap out of this guy for stepping out of his vehicle.
See this post is the perfect example of a total failure to understand how to live in civil society.  Reciprocal damage to the cop isn't necessary for a cop to have a justified use of force.  It has to be reasonable and a proportional response to end the threat.  That much damage could easily be done with 3 punches to the face.  That could be done in the blink of an eye in a violent encounter with anyone. This type of attitude on display from you people also demands a cop be shot before they can return fire.  It's just absurd to live in your reality.

End what threat?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 11:40:39 AM
Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

I'd like to see a photo of the officer. The police are saying he got his glasses knocked off, but they probably just fell off when he was kicking the crap out of this guy for stepping out of his vehicle.
See this post is the perfect example of a total failure to understand how to live in civil society.  Reciprocal damage to the cop isn't necessary for a cop to have a justified use of force.  It has to be reasonable and a proportional response to end the threat.  That much damage could easily be done with 3 punches to the face.  That could be done in the blink of an eye in a violent encounter with anyone. This type of attitude on display from you people also demands a cop be shot before they can return fire.  It's just absurd to live in your reality.

End what threat?

You don't think pushing someone while they try to arrest you is an escalation?  /reality
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 11:48:02 AM
Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

I'd like to see a photo of the officer. The police are saying he got his glasses knocked off, but they probably just fell off when he was kicking the crap out of this guy for stepping out of his vehicle.
See this post is the perfect example of a total failure to understand how to live in civil society.  Reciprocal damage to the cop isn't necessary for a cop to have a justified use of force.  It has to be reasonable and a proportional response to end the threat.  That much damage could easily be done with 3 punches to the face.  That could be done in the blink of an eye in a violent encounter with anyone. This type of attitude on display from you people also demands a cop be shot before they can return fire.  It's just absurd to live in your reality.

End what threat?

You don't think pushing someone while they try to arrest you is an escalation?  /reality

No, I really don't, and even if I did, the witness testimony and police report say the victim had his hands up. I do wish there were body cam footage so you could take us frame by frame on why this guy deserved to have his ass kicked, though.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 15, 2015, 11:53:16 AM
What level of cop brutality is acceptable, without undue cause, before a citizen can fight back?  This doesn't necessarily fit this specific instance, but honest question. I mean, if I haven't done anything and a cop starts to pummel me for seemingly no reason, there should be a line were, when crossed, I can defend myself.  Right?

The goal for all arrests should be minimal required physical force. 

The cops who don't want body cams are the cops that enjoy punching a few faces, for no real reason, every now and again.  These ppl shouldn't be cops.  The talking point about it being such a minority of the police force doesn't explain why this is in the news all but daily and basically all across the country.   The unwillingness by ppl to admit that there is a problem is a big deal. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 11:55:48 AM
Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

I'd like to see a photo of the officer. The police are saying he got his glasses knocked off, but they probably just fell off when he was kicking the crap out of this guy for stepping out of his vehicle.
See this post is the perfect example of a total failure to understand how to live in civil society.  Reciprocal damage to the cop isn't necessary for a cop to have a justified use of force.  It has to be reasonable and a proportional response to end the threat.  That much damage could easily be done with 3 punches to the face.  That could be done in the blink of an eye in a violent encounter with anyone. This type of attitude on display from you people also demands a cop be shot before they can return fire.  It's just absurd to live in your reality.

End what threat?

You don't think pushing someone while they try to arrest you is an escalation?  /reality

No, I really don't, and even if I did, the witness testimony and police report say the victim had his hands up. I do wish there were body cam footage so you could take us frame by frame on why this guy deserved to have his ass kicked, though.

I don't see how the witness adds to or refutes one story.  It works in both cases. 
And its funny the person being the most neutral here is being attacked the most. A bunch of try hards in here working their ass off to make a cop look bad when I'm saying the story could look differently with more info.  That info is critical to determine real truth and not try hard narratives.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 15, 2015, 11:58:01 AM
Is try hard a new go to insult?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 11:59:07 AM
Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

I'd like to see a photo of the officer. The police are saying he got his glasses knocked off, but they probably just fell off when he was kicking the crap out of this guy for stepping out of his vehicle.
See this post is the perfect example of a total failure to understand how to live in civil society.  Reciprocal damage to the cop isn't necessary for a cop to have a justified use of force.  It has to be reasonable and a proportional response to end the threat.  That much damage could easily be done with 3 punches to the face.  That could be done in the blink of an eye in a violent encounter with anyone. This type of attitude on display from you people also demands a cop be shot before they can return fire.  It's just absurd to live in your reality.

End what threat?

You don't think pushing someone while they try to arrest you is an escalation?  /reality

No, I really don't, and even if I did, the witness testimony and police report say the victim had his hands up. I do wish there were body cam footage so you could take us frame by frame on why this guy deserved to have his ass kicked, though.

I don't see how the witness adds to or refutes one story.  It works in both cases. 
And its funny the person being the most neutral here is being attacked the most. A bunch of try hards in here working their ass off to make a cop look bad when I'm saying the story could look differently with more info.  That info is critical to determine real truth and not try hard narratives.

You have to work with the info that you have. You can't just ignore the witness testimony and the guy's bashed in face when it's the best evidence you have. If this guy was not a cop, he'd be in jail with the same evidence.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 11:59:13 AM
What level of cop brutality is acceptable, without undue cause, before a citizen can fight back?  This doesn't necessarily fit this specific instance, but honest question. I mean, if I haven't done anything and a cop starts to pummel me for seemingly no reason, there should be a line were, when crossed, I can defend myself.  Right?

The goal for all arrests should be minimal required physical force. 

The cops who don't want body cams are the cops that enjoy punching a few faces, for no real reason, every now and again.  These ppl shouldn't be cops.  The talking point about it being such a minority of the police force doesn't explain why this is in the news all but daily and basically all across the country.   The unwillingness by ppl to admit that there is a problem is a big deal.

I agree with a lot of this post, even though I know you're coming from another anti cop direction. 
And yes you can legally resist an illegal arrest.  But that isn't what was happening here. If we have a legal arrest with undo use of force the place to remedy that is in the courts and through civil actions.

And the media is all over this because it's getting headlines.  The scary thing is to think about all the people who have been killed in illegitimate police actions when you have bullshit narratives constructed around instances like Mike Brown where the cop was eventually exonerated by all investigations.  We should be talking about Tamir Rice. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 12:03:01 PM
Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

I'd like to see a photo of the officer. The police are saying he got his glasses knocked off, but they probably just fell off when he was kicking the crap out of this guy for stepping out of his vehicle.
See this post is the perfect example of a total failure to understand how to live in civil society.  Reciprocal damage to the cop isn't necessary for a cop to have a justified use of force.  It has to be reasonable and a proportional response to end the threat.  That much damage could easily be done with 3 punches to the face.  That could be done in the blink of an eye in a violent encounter with anyone. This type of attitude on display from you people also demands a cop be shot before they can return fire.  It's just absurd to live in your reality.

End what threat?

You don't think pushing someone while they try to arrest you is an escalation?  /reality

No, I really don't, and even if I did, the witness testimony and police report say the victim had his hands up. I do wish there were body cam footage so you could take us frame by frame on why this guy deserved to have his ass kicked, though.

I don't see how the witness adds to or refutes one story.  It works in both cases. 
And its funny the person being the most neutral here is being attacked the most. A bunch of try hards in here working their ass off to make a cop look bad when I'm saying the story could look differently with more info.  That info is critical to determine real truth and not try hard narratives.

You have to work with the info that you have. You can't just ignore the witness testimony and the guy's bashed in face when it's the best evidence you have. If this guy was not a cop, he'd be in jail with the same evidence.

The witness testimony can work in the cop's story too (or at least from the snip it given.)  The guys face isn't that bad in all reality, sorry thats the truth.  I've seen people jumped and sucker punched with much more damaged without a cop getting them in a headlock.  The reality is that damage could be done with 3 strikes to the face.

And no he wouldn't be in jail because the cop was effecting a legal arrest.  You can't strip away the facts you don't like for supposition.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 12:07:01 PM
Is try hard a new go to insult?
just pointing out the obvious.  when people go through mental gymnastics to make a point instead of looking at facts without bias.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 12:26:30 PM
Is try hard a new go to insult?
just pointing out the obvious.  when people go through mental gymnastics to make a point instead of looking at facts without bias.

You are talking about yourself, right?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 15, 2015, 12:34:39 PM
Is try hard a new go to insult?
just pointing out the obvious.  when people go through mental gymnastics to make a point instead of looking at facts without bias.

I always look at facts with 'bias present
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 15, 2015, 12:38:43 PM
What level of cop brutality is acceptable, without undue cause, before a citizen can fight back?  This doesn't necessarily fit this specific instance, but honest question. I mean, if I haven't done anything and a cop starts to pummel me for seemingly no reason, there should be a line were, when crossed, I can defend myself.  Right?

The goal for all arrests should be minimal required physical force. 

The cops who don't want body cams are the cops that enjoy punching a few faces, for no real reason, every now and again.  These ppl shouldn't be cops.  The talking point about it being such a minority of the police force doesn't explain why this is in the news all but daily and basically all across the country.   The unwillingness by ppl to admit that there is a problem is a big deal.

This.

If someone is pummeling you for no reason you should be able to defend yourself no matter who the person is.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 12:41:32 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on September 15, 2015, 12:43:03 PM

I always look at facts with 'bias present

the statistics reflect this
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 15, 2015, 12:50:32 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 12:53:29 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 12:53:58 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.
What level of cop brutality is acceptable, without undue cause, before a citizen can fight back?  This doesn't necessarily fit this specific instance, but honest question. I mean, if I haven't done anything and a cop starts to pummel me for seemingly no reason, there should be a line were, when crossed, I can defend myself.  Right?

The goal for all arrests should be minimal required physical force. 

The cops who don't want body cams are the cops that enjoy punching a few faces, for no real reason, every now and again.  These ppl shouldn't be cops.  The talking point about it being such a minority of the police force doesn't explain why this is in the news all but daily and basically all across the country.   The unwillingness by ppl to admit that there is a problem is a big deal.

This.

If someone is pummeling you for no reason you should be able to defend yourself no matter who the person is.

example of gymnastics
*no reason*  :Rusty:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 12:54:53 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.

Yeah as the one person here who consistently questions all the evidence instead of making up bullshit to fit a narrative, clearly I'm the issue.  :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 12:57:24 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.

Yeah as the one person here who consistently questions all the evidence instead of making up bullshit to fit a narrative, clearly I'm the issue.  :lol:

Yes, you question the evidence and then make up things that didn't happen to support the officer, like how you claimed the officer was shoved in this most recent post, and how you justified the 2 hospital security guards shooting the mentally disturbed patient in the chest.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 01:00:12 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.

Yeah as the one person here who consistently questions all the evidence instead of making up bullshit to fit a narrative, clearly I'm the issue.  :lol:

Yes, you question the evidence and then make up things that didn't happen to support the officer, like how you claimed the officer was shoved in this most recent post, and how you justified the 2 hospital security guards shooting the mentally disturbed patient in the chest.
I guess his classes just flew off his face /more reasonable than a suspect in an arrest knocking them off //facts that don't fit the narrative are useless

And the other thread is yet another example of try hards making up crap to fit the narrative instead of looking at the facts.  Show me one thing I made up.  I'll wait. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 01:06:56 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.

Yeah as the one person here who consistently questions all the evidence instead of making up bullshit to fit a narrative, clearly I'm the issue.  :lol:

Yes, you question the evidence and then make up things that didn't happen to support the officer, like how you claimed the officer was shoved in this most recent post, and how you justified the 2 hospital security guards shooting the mentally disturbed patient in the chest.
I guess his classes just flew off his face /more reasonable than a suspect in an arrest knocking them off //facts that don't fit the narrative are useless

And the other thread is yet another example of try hards making up crap to fit the narrative instead of looking at the facts.  Show me one thing I made up.  I'll wait.

You made up a scenario where the hospital staff turned on their security guards and wrote a letter condemning them, and used that as evidence that the guards did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on September 15, 2015, 01:07:31 PM

You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Lol. Only if the cop is too busy pummeling to grab his gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 01:09:05 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.

Yeah as the one person here who consistently questions all the evidence instead of making up bullshit to fit a narrative, clearly I'm the issue.  :lol:

Yes, you question the evidence and then make up things that didn't happen to support the officer, like how you claimed the officer was shoved in this most recent post, and how you justified the 2 hospital security guards shooting the mentally disturbed patient in the chest.
I guess his classes just flew off his face /more reasonable than a suspect in an arrest knocking them off //facts that don't fit the narrative are useless

And the other thread is yet another example of try hards making up crap to fit the narrative instead of looking at the facts.  Show me one thing I made up.  I'll wait.

You made up a scenario where the hospital staff turned on their security guards and wrote a letter condemning them, and used that as evidence that the guards did nothing wrong.

LOL what?  That letter was from mental health professionals decrying the use of force with an non sequitur argument about techniques.  I was wrong that it was't directly (we think) from the pen of those staff members, but the point is still 100% valid.  I made up no facts about the actual scenario or conduct of the police or mental health patient.  Try again.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 01:11:18 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.

Yeah as the one person here who consistently questions all the evidence instead of making up bullshit to fit a narrative, clearly I'm the issue.  :lol:

Yes, you question the evidence and then make up things that didn't happen to support the officer, like how you claimed the officer was shoved in this most recent post, and how you justified the 2 hospital security guards shooting the mentally disturbed patient in the chest.
I guess his classes just flew off his face /more reasonable than a suspect in an arrest knocking them off //facts that don't fit the narrative are useless

And the other thread is yet another example of try hards making up crap to fit the narrative instead of looking at the facts.  Show me one thing I made up.  I'll wait.

You made up a scenario where the hospital staff turned on their security guards and wrote a letter condemning them, and used that as evidence that the guards did nothing wrong.

LOL what?  That letter was from mental health professionals decrying the use of force with an non sequitur argument about techniques.  I was wrong that it was't directly (we think) from the pen of those staff members, but the point is still 100% valid.  I made up no facts about the actual scenario or conduct of the police or mental health patient.  Try again.

So you support hospital staff shooting at their mental health patients when they get a little out of hand, then? And of course the letter wasn't written by staff at that hospital. No hospital would allow their staff to open them up to a lawsuit like that.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 15, 2015, 01:14:28 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.

Yeah as the one person here who consistently questions all the evidence instead of making up bullshit to fit a narrative, clearly I'm the issue.  :lol:

Yes, you question the evidence and then make up things that didn't happen to support the officer, like how you claimed the officer was shoved in this most recent post, and how you justified the 2 hospital security guards shooting the mentally disturbed patient in the chest.
I guess his classes just flew off his face /more reasonable than a suspect in an arrest knocking them off //facts that don't fit the narrative are useless

And the other thread is yet another example of try hards making up crap to fit the narrative instead of looking at the facts.  Show me one thing I made up.  I'll wait.

Most likely the cop's glasses got knocked off when the guy flailed his arms to protect his head from getting repeatedly punched. The witness stated that the cop charged him from far away so the guy didn't have an opportunity to knock the glasses off before he got pummeled.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 01:17:25 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.

Yeah as the one person here who consistently questions all the evidence instead of making up bullshit to fit a narrative, clearly I'm the issue.  :lol:

Yes, you question the evidence and then make up things that didn't happen to support the officer, like how you claimed the officer was shoved in this most recent post, and how you justified the 2 hospital security guards shooting the mentally disturbed patient in the chest.
I guess his classes just flew off his face /more reasonable than a suspect in an arrest knocking them off //facts that don't fit the narrative are useless

And the other thread is yet another example of try hards making up crap to fit the narrative instead of looking at the facts.  Show me one thing I made up.  I'll wait.

You made up a scenario where the hospital staff turned on their security guards and wrote a letter condemning them, and used that as evidence that the guards did nothing wrong.

LOL what?  That letter was from mental health professionals decrying the use of force with an non sequitur argument about techniques.  I was wrong that it was't directly (we think) from the pen of those staff members, but the point is still 100% valid.  I made up no facts about the actual scenario or conduct of the police or mental health patient.  Try again.

So you support hospital staff shooting at their mental health patients when they get a little out of hand, then? And of course the letter wasn't written by staff at that hospital. No hospital would allow their staff to open them up to a lawsuit like that.

Are you for rough ridin' real?  Do you think the guards were doing random bed checks and were just cursing by when the patient didn't take his meds because he didn't get ice cream and start blasting?

The situation was already out of hand when the guards were called.  They went through 3 levels of force elevations before using lethal force because crap was so out of hand.  JFC these are the facts that are critical in these cases that you people are choosing to ignore to fit your narrative.  I'm not asking for a lot out of you people, just an honest evaluation of the facts and you can't even come up with an intellectual defense of your narrative, and that is why you malign me with your bullshit attacks (looking at you too Puni).  Just stop for a second and take off the anti-cop glasses and think about how normal people would react.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 01:18:39 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.

Yeah as the one person here who consistently questions all the evidence instead of making up bullshit to fit a narrative, clearly I'm the issue.  :lol:

Yes, you question the evidence and then make up things that didn't happen to support the officer, like how you claimed the officer was shoved in this most recent post, and how you justified the 2 hospital security guards shooting the mentally disturbed patient in the chest.
I guess his classes just flew off his face /more reasonable than a suspect in an arrest knocking them off //facts that don't fit the narrative are useless

And the other thread is yet another example of try hards making up crap to fit the narrative instead of looking at the facts.  Show me one thing I made up.  I'll wait.

Most likely the cop's glasses got knocked off when the guy flailed his arms to protect his head from getting repeatedly punched. The witness stated that the cop charged him from far away so the guy didn't have an opportunity to knock the glasses off before he got pummeled.

More examples of people making up facts to fit a narrative. 

My points fit within the police account and the witness account without making room for "most likely"s.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 15, 2015, 01:20:56 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.

Yeah as the one person here who consistently questions all the evidence instead of making up bullshit to fit a narrative, clearly I'm the issue.  :lol:

Yes, you question the evidence and then make up things that didn't happen to support the officer, like how you claimed the officer was shoved in this most recent post, and how you justified the 2 hospital security guards shooting the mentally disturbed patient in the chest.
I guess his classes just flew off his face /more reasonable than a suspect in an arrest knocking them off //facts that don't fit the narrative are useless

And the other thread is yet another example of try hards making up crap to fit the narrative instead of looking at the facts.  Show me one thing I made up.  I'll wait.

Most likely the cop's glasses got knocked off when the guy flailed his arms to protect his head from getting repeatedly punched. The witness stated that the cop charged him from far away so the guy didn't have an opportunity to knock the glasses off before he got pummeled.

More examples of people making up facts to fit a narrative. 

My points fit within the police account and the witness account without making room for "most likely"s.

If the witness says the cop rushed him before they were within contact distance, when do you think the guy knocked the cop's glasses off which led to the cop pummeling him?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 01:22:47 PM
You should be able to. Unfortunately, if you are being pummeled by a cop, you are probably going to get charged with assault.

Yep, just take your ass whipping and stfu, I guess.  I mean, there are cases of ppl doing this who lost a pregnancy thanks to dumbass cops.  I would imagine there are quite a few cases of ppl not resisting to their great detriment. 

It is all so mumped up.  Especially when we could resolve a bunch of this with training, better hiring practices, and especially, getting rid of the dumbasses who are problems, rather than just passing them on to the next cop shop.  Other than a very few cases, all that ever happens is someone in the dept saying they are investigating alleged abuse of force, yada, yada, then nothing. 

Cops don't bear the full responsibility of what is going on right now, but they certainly have a large share of it.

As long as people like edn exist, who are willing to overlook all evidence and fabricate facts to support the officer in all but the most extreme cases, nothing will ever change.

Yeah as the one person here who consistently questions all the evidence instead of making up bullshit to fit a narrative, clearly I'm the issue.  :lol:

Yes, you question the evidence and then make up things that didn't happen to support the officer, like how you claimed the officer was shoved in this most recent post, and how you justified the 2 hospital security guards shooting the mentally disturbed patient in the chest.
I guess his classes just flew off his face /more reasonable than a suspect in an arrest knocking them off //facts that don't fit the narrative are useless

And the other thread is yet another example of try hards making up crap to fit the narrative instead of looking at the facts.  Show me one thing I made up.  I'll wait.

Most likely the cop's glasses got knocked off when the guy flailed his arms to protect his head from getting repeatedly punched. The witness stated that the cop charged him from far away so the guy didn't have an opportunity to knock the glasses off before he got pummeled.

More examples of people making up facts to fit a narrative. 

My points fit within the police account and the witness account without making room for "most likely"s.

If the witness says the cop rushed him before they were within contact distance, when do you think the guy knocked the cop's glasses off which led to the cop pummeling him?

Because there was a violent interaction between them?  You don't get to physical resist a legal arrest.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Are you for rough ridin' real?  Do you think the guards were doing random bed checks and were just cursing by when the patient didn't take his meds because he didn't get ice cream and start blasting?

The situation was already out of hand when the guards were called.  They went through 3 levels of force elevations before using lethal force because crap was so out of hand.  JFC these are the facts that are critical in these cases that you people are choosing to ignore to fit your narrative.  I'm not asking for a lot out of you people, just an honest evaluation of the facts and you can't even come up with an intellectual defense of your narrative, and that is why you malign me with your bullshit attacks (looking at you too Puni).  Just stop for a second and take off the anti-cop glasses and think about how normal people would react.

The facts are that a man admitted himself to the hospital because he wasn't mentally sound. The hospital knew his medical history and failed to properly subdue him, and then they shot him in the chest. Everything else you stated is not supported by anything factual. It's made up bullshit to support your argument. Why do hospital security guards even carry weapons? Why does the hospital not have a proper procedure to deal with mental health patients? The signed petition states that most hospitals do.

I think that story just outlines that police are so used to being able to shoot first and ask questions later that they absolutely should not be working any type of security job when they are off duty. Hospitals should look to mall security for their labor force.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 01:26:54 PM
Because there was a violent interaction between them?  You don't get to physical resist a legal arrest.

You shouldn't get to use force on a legal arrest until there has already been resistance.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 01:33:57 PM
Are you for rough ridin' real?  Do you think the guards were doing random bed checks and were just cursing by when the patient didn't take his meds because he didn't get ice cream and start blasting?

The situation was already out of hand when the guards were called.  They went through 3 levels of force elevations before using lethal force because crap was so out of hand.  JFC these are the facts that are critical in these cases that you people are choosing to ignore to fit your narrative.  I'm not asking for a lot out of you people, just an honest evaluation of the facts and you can't even come up with an intellectual defense of your narrative, and that is why you malign me with your bullshit attacks (looking at you too Puni).  Just stop for a second and take off the anti-cop glasses and think about how normal people would react.

The facts are that a man admitted himself to the hospital because he wasn't mentally sound. The hospital knew his medical history and failed to properly subdue him, and then they shot him in the chest. Everything else you stated is not supported by anything factual. It's made up bullshit to support your argument. Why do hospital security guards even carry weapons? Why does the hospital not have a proper procedure to deal with mental health patients? The signed petition states that most hospitals do.

I think that story just outlines that police are so used to being able to shoot first and ask questions later that they absolutely should not be working any type of security job when they are off duty. Hospitals should look to mall security for their labor force.

LOL I mean this is just comical how you are bending the story to fit your needs.

The hospital medical staff totally failed to managed the situation.  The situation got out of hand and they required physical force to attempt to regain control of the situation.  As the situation escalated it became more violent because of the patient's actions.  You can choose to ignore that all you want, it doesn't make it less true. Once the security staff is there, it's not the scenario you want it to be.  And lots of security staff have weapons, lots of place hire off duty cops because its easier with liability issues to employ them.  Those are facts that are widely known, but are only a reasonable supposition here. Now back to you making up "facts" again: we have no idea what the hospital's policies are, or where they broke down from that article.  We have some info about the family attempting to warn the staff, but we don't know where that went or how it was sent to staff.  It's sad the family wasn't there to get the patient involuntarily committed. 

Also you show your bias once again when you ignore the fact they went through 3 levels of force elevation, a series of facts that you do not dispute, and continue to ignore because you know that alone destroys your entire position. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
Because there was a violent interaction between them?  You don't get to physical resist a legal arrest.

You shouldn't get to use force on a legal arrest until there has already been resistance.

Once again you're making stuff up to fit your narrative.  We don't have reliable information on what occurred (assuming you don't believe the police's account).  Once again, just try and stick to some of the facts instead of going totally off reservation. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 15, 2015, 01:38:53 PM
The whole idea of cops not having body cameras by now is ridic.  I mean, this issue has been red hot for over a year now, so even if this was a budget issue during the middle of last year, enough time has gone by to be in a new budget. 

Get the body cams and make wearing them required.  those who don't, fired.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 01:42:02 PM
The whole idea of cops not having body cameras by now is ridic.  I mean, this issue has been red hot for over a year now, so even if this was a budget issue during the middle of last year, enough time has gone by to be in a new budget. 

Get the body cams and make wearing them required.  those who don't, fired.

Also note my position in the past that any tampering with them is a crime, especially when interacting with the public.  I'd probably be pro felony if a cop turns it off and there is an issue of misconduct.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 01:43:12 PM
Because there was a violent interaction between them?  You don't get to physical resist a legal arrest.

You shouldn't get to use force on a legal arrest until there has already been resistance.

Once again you're making stuff up to fit your narrative.  We don't have reliable information on what occurred (assuming you don't believe the police's account).  Once again, just try and stick to some of the facts instead of going totally off reservation.

I am going off of the witness testimony. You are going off of a scenario that played through your head.



LOL I mean this is just comical how you are bending the story to fit your needs.

The hospital medical staff totally failed to managed the situation.  The situation got out of hand and they required physical force to attempt to regain control of the situation.  As the situation escalated it became more violent because of the patient's actions.  You can choose to ignore that all you want, it doesn't make it less true. Once the security staff is there, it's not the scenario you want it to be.  And lots of security staff have weapons, lots of place hire off duty cops because its easier with liability issues to employ them.  Those are facts that are widely known, but are only a reasonable supposition here. Now back to you making up "facts" again: we have no idea what the hospital's policies are, or where they broke down from that article.  We have some info about the family attempting to warn the staff, but we don't know where that went or how it was sent to staff.  It's sad the family wasn't there to get the patient involuntarily committed. 

Also you show your bias once again when you ignore the fact they went through 3 levels of force elevation, a series of facts that you do not dispute, and continue to ignore because you know that alone destroys your entire position. 

Going through the 3 levels of force elevation is part of the hospital failing to properly subdue their patient. If you work in a hospital around mentally ill people, you should expect to take a punch or a kick to the face at some point. That is just part of the job. The man isn't mentally sound, and he doesn't deserve to die because you were bad enough at your job to let that happen. You shouldn't taze or shoot him. There were plenty of people in that room to hold him down and restrain him.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 01:53:48 PM
Now you're at the point of lying through your teeth to make your point.  The staff felt the situation was out of control and called the security staff.  The medical staff doesn't have that kind of force protocol like you want them to have.  I'm sure the staff attempted to control the patient before calling security, because the article says so.  The security guards attempted to control him and it was elevated, which you kinda acknowledge now but still totally fail to recognize the implications of force protocols. It's clear you don't understand physiologically what is happening when a taser is totally ineffective if you think "There were plenty of people in that room to hold him down and restrain him." I mean your posting has reached a level of naivety that is borderline delusional. 

I would encourage you to stop and look at the facts, go back and re-read stuff.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 01:57:06 PM
Now you're at the point of lying through your teeth to make your point.  The staff felt the situation was out of control and called the security staff.  The medical staff doesn't have that kind of force protocol like you want them to have.  I'm sure the staff attempted to control the patient before calling security, because the article says so.  The security guards attempted to control him and it was elevated, which you kinda acknowledge now but still totally fail to recognize the implications of force protocols. It's clear you don't understand physiologically what is happening when a taser is totally ineffective if you think "There were plenty of people in that room to hold him down and restrain him." I mean your posting has reached a level of naivety that is borderline delusional. 

I would encourage you to stop and look at the facts, go back and re-read stuff.

I would encourage you to look at the statement from medical professionals condemning this hospital, and come up with a reason why deadly force is the answer to an unarmed patient having a mental breakdown.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
Now you're at the point of lying through your teeth to make your point.  The staff felt the situation was out of control and called the security staff.  The medical staff doesn't have that kind of force protocol like you want them to have.  I'm sure the staff attempted to control the patient before calling security, because the article says so.  The security guards attempted to control him and it was elevated, which you kinda acknowledge now but still totally fail to recognize the implications of force protocols. It's clear you don't understand physiologically what is happening when a taser is totally ineffective if you think "There were plenty of people in that room to hold him down and restrain him." I mean your posting has reached a level of naivety that is borderline delusional. 

I would encourage you to stop and look at the facts, go back and re-read stuff.

I would encourage you to look at the statement from medical professionals condemning this hospital, and come up with a reason why deadly force is the answer to an unarmed patient having a mental breakdown.

And I would encourage you to look at how non sequitur it is since these "same" medical professionals totally failed at living up to their "own" charge in the letter.  If the medical staff has these great techniques, why weren't they deployed properly?  If these techniques prevent the used of escalating force why did they fail?  Or their techniques aren't as good as they hope they are and mental health professionals regularly rely on the police or security to help them.  Sometimes those situations go to a place where someone ends up shot because it's just a bad mumped up situation.  The reality is you don't know anyone who works in mental health, you have obviously never dealt with people with mental health issues, because you'd realize that sometimes on rare occasions, as much as things are done to prevent it, people get hurt or die because of circumstances outside of everyone's control. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 02:12:26 PM
Now you're at the point of lying through your teeth to make your point.  The staff felt the situation was out of control and called the security staff.  The medical staff doesn't have that kind of force protocol like you want them to have.  I'm sure the staff attempted to control the patient before calling security, because the article says so.  The security guards attempted to control him and it was elevated, which you kinda acknowledge now but still totally fail to recognize the implications of force protocols. It's clear you don't understand physiologically what is happening when a taser is totally ineffective if you think "There were plenty of people in that room to hold him down and restrain him." I mean your posting has reached a level of naivety that is borderline delusional. 

I would encourage you to stop and look at the facts, go back and re-read stuff.

I would encourage you to look at the statement from medical professionals condemning this hospital, and come up with a reason why deadly force is the answer to an unarmed patient having a mental breakdown.

And I would encourage you to look at how non sequitur it is since these "same" medical professionals totally failed at living up to their "own" charge in the letter.  If the medical staff has these great techniques, why weren't they deployed properly?  If these techniques prevent the used of escalating force why did they fail?  Or their techniques aren't as good as they hope they are and mental health professionals regularly rely on the police or security to help them.  Sometimes those situations go to a place where someone ends up shot because it's just a bad mumped up situation.  The reality is you don't know anyone who works in mental health, you have obviously never dealt with people with mental health issues, because you'd realize that sometimes on rare occasions, as much as things are done to prevent it, people get hurt or die because of circumstances outside of everyone's control.

They aren't the same professionals. This hospital is clearly incompetent. The family is suing and will probably be awarded millions of dollars. Hopefully the hospital stops employing cops and gets better. Police would probably get better, too, if there were ever held accountable for anything.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 15, 2015, 02:21:41 PM
Now you're at the point of lying through your teeth to make your point.  The staff felt the situation was out of control and called the security staff.  The medical staff doesn't have that kind of force protocol like you want them to have.  I'm sure the staff attempted to control the patient before calling security, because the article says so.  The security guards attempted to control him and it was elevated, which you kinda acknowledge now but still totally fail to recognize the implications of force protocols. It's clear you don't understand physiologically what is happening when a taser is totally ineffective if you think "There were plenty of people in that room to hold him down and restrain him." I mean your posting has reached a level of naivety that is borderline delusional. 

I would encourage you to stop and look at the facts, go back and re-read stuff.

I would encourage you to look at the statement from medical professionals condemning this hospital, and come up with a reason why deadly force is the answer to an unarmed patient having a mental breakdown.

And I would encourage you to look at how non sequitur it is since these "same" medical professionals totally failed at living up to their "own" charge in the letter.  If the medical staff has these great techniques, why weren't they deployed properly?  If these techniques prevent the used of escalating force why did they fail?  Or their techniques aren't as good as they hope they are and mental health professionals regularly rely on the police or security to help them.  Sometimes those situations go to a place where someone ends up shot because it's just a bad mumped up situation.  The reality is you don't know anyone who works in mental health, you have obviously never dealt with people with mental health issues, because you'd realize that sometimes on rare occasions, as much as things are done to prevent it, people get hurt or die because of circumstances outside of everyone's control.

They aren't the same professionals. This hospital is clearly incompetent. The family is suing and will probably be awarded millions of dollars. Hopefully the hospital stops employing cops and gets better. Police would probably get better, too, if there were ever held accountable for anything.

I would say the are incompetent because the warnings from family were not passed along properly and they failed to have adequate medical staff there.  The idea of discharging him is obscene. 

I would like to see people here realize that once a situation gets out of control it is possible to reach a point of no return of sorts.  Yes we'd all like to have every situation end without people getting seriously hurt, but sometimes the circumstances are beyond reasonable reproach. And that is why you need to be prepared before hand to limit those circumstances and also act quickly if you are given info about circumstances, example the family saying there is mental health issue to be aware of.   
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 15, 2015, 02:27:07 PM
The man admitted himself for a mental health issue. It's not simply a matter of the family's message not getting passed along. Hospitals should have trained staff to deal with these patients, or they should direct them to a different hospital that does. They should not use police officers who are going to treat them as if they are arresting a criminal.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 15, 2015, 10:40:32 PM
You wanna let me take a couple punches to your face in a head lock and see how you look?  Pro tip, if you put your hands on the officer in a violent physical action, there will be measure taken to ensure their safety, including physical force.  This scenario is yet another reason why we need body cams to sort out a mess instead of leaving us with this he said crap where a bunch of try hard bitches complain about police brutality assuming the cop is 100% in the wrong 100% of the time.

Quote
“I saw the guy get out of the car, walk toward the officer a little bit and stopped,” the witness said. “There was a little distance between them, and I saw the officer rush him.”

The police report shows Barger raised his hands after the officer pointed his gun at him, but Barger and the witness both said the officer charged toward him and placed him in a headlock.

“By the time he threw me on the ground and hit me a couple times with his elbow, at that point, I was like, ‘This isn’t a police officer — this is just some guy here to kill me,’” Barger said.

The witness said Barger screamed for help as the officer repeatedly punched him.

“They were on the ground for a good two or three minutes, and the guy was screaming, ‘Somebody help me, somebody help me, I don’t know why you’re doing this,’” the witness said.

 :confused:
what are we missing edn?

edn answers every post within seconds, but this one he's like

(http://www.adweek.com/files/blogs/kermit-lipton-hed-2013.jpg)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on September 16, 2015, 12:36:31 AM
I can't tell if edn is a giant wuss ass or has an inferiority complex or he likes the taste of leather. All three?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 16, 2015, 12:41:04 PM


Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

Don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit MiR. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 16, 2015, 12:44:52 PM
I can't tell if edn is a giant wuss ass or has an inferiority complex or he likes the taste of leather. All three?

so damn edgy


it's great being the most neutral, no bias, poster in the Pit.  really a fun time seeing how agenda drives people to ignore facts/logic/blatant issues with their own agenda. /sorry this isn't dunning it's questioning your beliefs
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 16, 2015, 12:46:44 PM


Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

Don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit MiR.

I'm confused about why this is direted at me and why you're swearing
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2015, 12:50:22 PM
I can't tell if edn is a giant wuss ass or has an inferiority complex or he likes the taste of leather. All three?

so damn edgy


it's great being the most neutral, no bias, poster in the Pit.  really a fun time seeing how agenda drives people to ignore facts/logic/blatant issues with their own agenda. /sorry this isn't dunning it's questioning your beliefs

 :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 16, 2015, 12:54:19 PM


Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

Don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit MiR.

I'm confused about why this is direted at me and why you're swearing
Umm that fact you're using a childish meme to make a point about a comment that was already diffused?  Yeah that's kinda bullshit. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on September 16, 2015, 01:00:39 PM
I can't tell if edn is a giant wuss ass or has an inferiority complex or he likes the taste of leather. All three?

so damn edgy


it's great being the most neutral, no bias, poster in the Pit.  really a fun time seeing how agenda drives people to ignore facts/logic/blatant issues with their own agenda. /sorry this isn't dunning it's questioning your beliefs
I was serious.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 16, 2015, 01:12:14 PM
I can't tell if edn is a giant wuss ass or has an inferiority complex or he likes the taste of leather. All three?

so damn edgy


it's great being the most neutral, no bias, poster in the Pit.  really a fun time seeing how agenda drives people to ignore facts/logic/blatant issues with their own agenda. /sorry this isn't dunning it's questioning your beliefs

 :lol:

Better be careful. We don't know the 3 levels of force elevation. We might be entering "clean kill" territory.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 16, 2015, 07:02:29 PM


Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

Don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit MiR.

I'm confused about why this is direted at me and why you're swearing
Umm that fact you're using a childish meme to make a point about a comment that was already diffused?  Yeah that's kinda bullshit.

You need to calm the eff down, you're cussing about the kermit meme, take yourself even more seriously.

Anyway, that post I asked you to address talks about how the cop approached the guy he beat up and the suspect wasn't the aggressor at all, you posted some barely coherent crap about someone going at someone else's face. So do you want to read meatsauce's post and try again or do you want to look stupid about something else? Personally I don't care, I'm entertained either way.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 16, 2015, 10:16:51 PM
I think he is saying ignore the impartial witness and believe the cop or you are a liar.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 17, 2015, 09:48:23 AM


Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

Don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit MiR.

I'm confused about why this is direted at me and why you're swearing
Umm that fact you're using a childish meme to make a point about a comment that was already diffused?  Yeah that's kinda bullshit.

You need to calm the eff down, you're cussing about the kermit meme, take yourself even more seriously.

Anyway, that post I asked you to address talks about how the cop approached the guy he beat up and the suspect wasn't the aggressor at all, you posted some barely coherent crap about someone going at someone else's face. So do you want to read meatsauce's post and try again or do you want to look stupid about something else? Personally I don't care, I'm entertained either way.

Man you're going to have a tough time as an adult if you think people calling your bullshit position bullshit is hysteria. 

And I've talked about your point multiple times.  You can choose to ignore it, or read posts.  But judging by the discourse of the Pit you've made up your mind.  The fact is the witness testimony doesn't directly conflict with what the cop said, and it doesn't directly conflict with what the victim is claiming.  The author of the piece paints it one direction for sure. In fact if you read the poorly written account there is actually no way for the incident to occur the way its depicted without adding in steps.  All accounts pretty much agree the person was rushed by the cop and that a scuffle broke out.  The witness doesn't have any input on what was said as well.  Does the situation take on a radically different scenario if Barger says "Yes officer, I'll come peacefully, just let me put my kitten down" versus "eff you I'll kill you cop! You aren't taking me in alive!"  But lets get back to the conflicting statements.  How does one, with no steps in between, put someone in a head lock and and cause that kind of damage with elbow strikes?  Now we can infer what happened based on what we want to believe happened, which you all have done, but at this point we don't have enough info (my position all along) to really judge what happened here.  The emotional reaction you all have displayed here is why we need more body cams, more independent review, and more accountability for people tampering with evidence. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 17, 2015, 09:51:27 AM
Nope, no way. Do you really think people read these novels when you type them? I sure as hell don't.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 17, 2015, 09:53:10 AM
I herped when I derped and should have tapped out
Better?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 17, 2015, 10:14:28 AM


Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

Don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit MiR.

I'm confused about why this is direted at me and why you're swearing
Umm that fact you're using a childish meme to make a point about a comment that was already diffused?  Yeah that's kinda bullshit.

You need to calm the eff down, you're cussing about the kermit meme, take yourself even more seriously.

Anyway, that post I asked you to address talks about how the cop approached the guy he beat up and the suspect wasn't the aggressor at all, you posted some barely coherent crap about someone going at someone else's face. So do you want to read meatsauce's post and try again or do you want to look stupid about something else? Personally I don't care, I'm entertained either way.

Man you're going to have a tough time as an adult if you think people calling your bullshit position bullshit is hysteria. 

And I've talked about your point multiple times.  You can choose to ignore it, or read posts.  But judging by the discourse of the Pit you've made up your mind.  The fact is the witness testimony doesn't directly conflict with what the cop said, and it doesn't directly conflict with what the victim is claiming.  The author of the piece paints it one direction for sure. In fact if you read the poorly written account there is actually no way for the incident to occur the way its depicted without adding in steps.  All accounts pretty much agree the person was rushed by the cop and that a scuffle broke out.  The witness doesn't have any input on what was said as well.  Does the situation take on a radically different scenario if Barger says "Yes officer, I'll come peacefully, just let me put my kitten down" versus "eff you I'll kill you cop! You aren't taking me in alive!"  But lets get back to the conflicting statements.  How does one, with no steps in between, put someone in a head lock and and cause that kind of damage with elbow strikes?  Now we can infer what happened based on what we want to believe happened, which you all have done, but at this point we don't have enough info (my position all along) to really judge what happened here.  The emotional reaction you all have displayed here is why we need more body cams, more independent review, and more accountability for people tampering with evidence.

I think the witness provided the "steps in between" when he stated that the cop charged the guy.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 17, 2015, 10:29:33 AM


Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

Don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit MiR.

I'm confused about why this is direted at me and why you're swearing
Umm that fact you're using a childish meme to make a point about a comment that was already diffused?  Yeah that's kinda bullshit.

You need to calm the eff down, you're cussing about the kermit meme, take yourself even more seriously.

Anyway, that post I asked you to address talks about how the cop approached the guy he beat up and the suspect wasn't the aggressor at all, you posted some barely coherent crap about someone going at someone else's face. So do you want to read meatsauce's post and try again or do you want to look stupid about something else? Personally I don't care, I'm entertained either way.

Man you're going to have a tough time as an adult if you think people calling your bullshit position bullshit is hysteria. 

And I've talked about your point multiple times.  You can choose to ignore it, or read posts.  But judging by the discourse of the Pit you've made up your mind.  The fact is the witness testimony doesn't directly conflict with what the cop said, and it doesn't directly conflict with what the victim is claiming.  The author of the piece paints it one direction for sure. In fact if you read the poorly written account there is actually no way for the incident to occur the way its depicted without adding in steps.  All accounts pretty much agree the person was rushed by the cop and that a scuffle broke out.  The witness doesn't have any input on what was said as well.  Does the situation take on a radically different scenario if Barger says "Yes officer, I'll come peacefully, just let me put my kitten down" versus "eff you I'll kill you cop! You aren't taking me in alive!"  But lets get back to the conflicting statements.  How does one, with no steps in between, put someone in a head lock and and cause that kind of damage with elbow strikes?  Now we can infer what happened based on what we want to believe happened, which you all have done, but at this point we don't have enough info (my position all along) to really judge what happened here.  The emotional reaction you all have displayed here is why we need more body cams, more independent review, and more accountability for people tampering with evidence.

I think the witness provided the "steps in between" when he stated that the cop charged the guy.

Yeah, sounds like the steps that the cop took were pretty quick. And no matter what the guy said, if he didn't have a weapon or was within distance to use his body as a weapon then the cop had no reason to charge him.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 17, 2015, 10:37:29 AM


http://news.yahoo.com/death-illinois-police-officer-grows-bizarre-mysterious-204348632.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 17, 2015, 10:47:31 AM


Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

Don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit MiR.

I'm confused about why this is direted at me and why you're swearing
Umm that fact you're using a childish meme to make a point about a comment that was already diffused?  Yeah that's kinda bullshit.

You need to calm the eff down, you're cussing about the kermit meme, take yourself even more seriously.

Anyway, that post I asked you to address talks about how the cop approached the guy he beat up and the suspect wasn't the aggressor at all, you posted some barely coherent crap about someone going at someone else's face. So do you want to read meatsauce's post and try again or do you want to look stupid about something else? Personally I don't care, I'm entertained either way.

Man you're going to have a tough time as an adult if you think people calling your bullshit position bullshit is hysteria. 

And I've talked about your point multiple times.  You can choose to ignore it, or read posts.  But judging by the discourse of the Pit you've made up your mind.  The fact is the witness testimony doesn't directly conflict with what the cop said, and it doesn't directly conflict with what the victim is claiming.  The author of the piece paints it one direction for sure. In fact if you read the poorly written account there is actually no way for the incident to occur the way its depicted without adding in steps.  All accounts pretty much agree the person was rushed by the cop and that a scuffle broke out.  The witness doesn't have any input on what was said as well.  Does the situation take on a radically different scenario if Barger says "Yes officer, I'll come peacefully, just let me put my kitten down" versus "eff you I'll kill you cop! You aren't taking me in alive!"  But lets get back to the conflicting statements.  How does one, with no steps in between, put someone in a head lock and and cause that kind of damage with elbow strikes?  Now we can infer what happened based on what we want to believe happened, which you all have done, but at this point we don't have enough info (my position all along) to really judge what happened here.  The emotional reaction you all have displayed here is why we need more body cams, more independent review, and more accountability for people tampering with evidence.

I think the witness provided the "steps in between" when he stated that the cop charged the guy.

Not in any way shape or form.  Both accounts agree the cop put hands on the guy. You're adding info to your narrative.

The worst part of all this bullshit you people are trapped into, is that you've missed the worst part of this story.  Why did the cop admit to pulling his gun?  That weapon should only be drawn to protect the lives of the officer or surrounding populace.  It is not a compliance tool.  Why did this situation get so out of control that the cop felt the need to use deadly force OR why did the cop use it so early as a compliance tool? 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2015, 10:49:16 AM
my edn problem here is that he refuses to acknowledge a systemic/cultural problem with policing in america. of course it's possible to look at any single killing in a fishbowl and rationalize at least one hypothetical way it could have gone to be justified as a clean killtm.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MeatSauce on September 17, 2015, 10:50:58 AM
Why did this situation get so out of control that the cop felt the need to use deadly force OR why did the cop use it so early as a compliance tool? 

He probably drew his gun because he's the same guy who would also spend a couple minutes beating the crap out of a guy with his hands up.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 17, 2015, 10:56:11 AM


Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

Don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit MiR.

I'm confused about why this is direted at me and why you're swearing
Umm that fact you're using a childish meme to make a point about a comment that was already diffused?  Yeah that's kinda bullshit.

You need to calm the eff down, you're cussing about the kermit meme, take yourself even more seriously.

Anyway, that post I asked you to address talks about how the cop approached the guy he beat up and the suspect wasn't the aggressor at all, you posted some barely coherent crap about someone going at someone else's face. So do you want to read meatsauce's post and try again or do you want to look stupid about something else? Personally I don't care, I'm entertained either way.

Man you're going to have a tough time as an adult if you think people calling your bullshit position bullshit is hysteria. 

And I've talked about your point multiple times.  You can choose to ignore it, or read posts.  But judging by the discourse of the Pit you've made up your mind.  The fact is the witness testimony doesn't directly conflict with what the cop said, and it doesn't directly conflict with what the victim is claiming.  The author of the piece paints it one direction for sure. In fact if you read the poorly written account there is actually no way for the incident to occur the way its depicted without adding in steps.  All accounts pretty much agree the person was rushed by the cop and that a scuffle broke out.  The witness doesn't have any input on what was said as well.  Does the situation take on a radically different scenario if Barger says "Yes officer, I'll come peacefully, just let me put my kitten down" versus "eff you I'll kill you cop! You aren't taking me in alive!"  But lets get back to the conflicting statements.  How does one, with no steps in between, put someone in a head lock and and cause that kind of damage with elbow strikes?  Now we can infer what happened based on what we want to believe happened, which you all have done, but at this point we don't have enough info (my position all along) to really judge what happened here.  The emotional reaction you all have displayed here is why we need more body cams, more independent review, and more accountability for people tampering with evidence.

I think the witness provided the "steps in between" when he stated that the cop charged the guy.

Not in any way shape or form.  Both accounts agree the cop put hands on the guy. You're adding info to your narrative.

The worst part of all this bullshit you people are trapped into, is that you've missed the worst part of this story.  Why did the cop admit to pulling his gun?  That weapon should only be drawn to protect the lives of the officer or surrounding populace.  It is not a compliance tool.  Why did this situation get so out of control that the cop felt the need to use deadly force OR why did the cop use it so early as a compliance tool?

It's a lot easier to get somebody into a headlock and beat the crap out of them if you get them to put their hands up first.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2015, 10:58:45 AM
sorry, edna, i didnt read your thing about cops should not use their guns as a compliance tool (which they do constantly) i agree with you on this and offer you my deepest and warmest positive reinforcement
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 17, 2015, 10:59:44 AM
my edn problem here is that he refuses to acknowledge a systemic/cultural problem with policing in america. of course it's possible to look at any single killing in a fishbowl and rationalize at least one hypothetical way it could have gone to be justified as a clean killtm.

That is because we are seeing an epidemic of people rushing to a conclusion without any semblance of fact.  When someone questions the narrative you guys are constructing they are painted as a pro police violence fascist.  Rationalizing a killing is not the same as questioning the narrative certain groups are constructing.  Just the same way that you see the union rep protecting any cops at any cost, I see you people in the same light where you are removing facts that get in the way of what story you want to be told. You joke about a clean kill (which I don't think I've used here, please by all means quote me) because you don't want any taking of life by a cop to be justified. Me giving examples of how a shooting is justified or how levels of increased force are at play aren't an approval or disapproval of the morality of those scenarios.  Me correcting you on the bastardization of those facts also isn't my approval or disapproval.  It's me trying to get you guys to see that we've accepted a certain set of standards and "we" (society) need to first see if these cops have deviated from those standards.  Just like the Cincinnati shooting everyone failed to account for me saying it was in a gray area for the standards that "we" have adopted and instead only looked as my comments in the most ludicrous way possible, and now your narrative has another enemy and another catch phrase of "clean kill."   
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 17, 2015, 11:06:14 AM
Cases where a police shooting might be justified:

An armed suspect points his weapon at somebody.

I honestly can't think of any others right now.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2015, 11:07:22 AM
i'm going to blame the horrible search function for me not being able to find you registering the trademark for "clean kill"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 17, 2015, 11:15:46 AM
I'm honestly really torn on this.  When I heard the DA's comments I thought for sure it would be an open and shut case, but I'm not so sure.  I will say I am a cop apologist in 99% of the cases to get that out of the way. 

I think this video literally shows the act was one second too late from being a "clean shoot" and one second too early to be murder.  This great little site allows you to move this video frame by frame to see (kinda) when stuff really occurs.  And it allows you to go in slower speeds. 
http://rowvid.com/?v=Z0cdejrSjyc&t=105.00&s=0.25


I have to run and I'll be back for more, since I know many will think I'm insane.  I would urge people to look at 1:52-1:56.  Notice the car being started and put into gear.  But also notice how the cop has his gun out in literally one second 1:54 if I recall, with the death at 1:55.  I haven't seen an un-edited (gore warning that is) video yet, which I think it necessary to get a better understanding of the shot/how far they moved/and whether or not the grappled in the car.

Sorry, edn. You said "clean shoot", not "clean kill". Everyone has been misquoting you, myself included.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on September 17, 2015, 11:16:49 AM
clean kill is better anyways
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2015, 11:17:14 AM
clean kill is better anyways

it's practically his user name at this point
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 17, 2015, 11:17:25 AM
Cases where a police shooting might be justified:

An armed suspect points his weapon at somebody.

I honestly can't think of any others right now.
Society disagrees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

Also many states have this
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/2/9/D/9.42


And further what do you define as an armed suspect?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-utc4IEQws
Not "armed" does this mean the cop shouldn't use deadly force?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on September 17, 2015, 11:18:01 AM
:ck:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 17, 2015, 11:18:26 AM
i'm going to blame the horrible search function for me not being able to find you registering the trademark for "clean kill"
Probably because I didn't say is and it was closer to justified killing or clean shoot.  But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.  Bigger point stuff I know.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 17, 2015, 11:30:17 AM
Cases where a police shooting might be justified:

An armed suspect points his weapon at somebody.

I honestly can't think of any others right now.
Society disagrees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

Also many states have this
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/2/9/D/9.42


And further what do you define as an armed suspect?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-utc4IEQws
Not "armed" does this mean the cop shouldn't use deadly force?

Maybe you should actually read the links you post. Garner won Tennessee v. Garner.

I don't like castle law, but I think untrained civilians trying to protect their property and family should be held to a lower standard than police officers in deciding whether it's ok to pull the trigger.

Yes, the cop did the right thing by not killing that guy.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 17, 2015, 11:43:04 AM
Cases where a police shooting might be justified:

An armed suspect points his weapon at somebody.

I honestly can't think of any others right now.
Society disagrees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

Also many states have this
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/2/9/D/9.42


And further what do you define as an armed suspect?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-utc4IEQws
Not "armed" does this mean the cop shouldn't use deadly force?

Maybe you should actually read the links you post. Garner won Tennessee v. Garner.

I don't like castle law, but I think untrained civilians trying to protect their property and family should be held to a lower standard than police officers in deciding whether it's ok to pull the trigger.

Yes, the cop did the right thing by not killing that guy.

JFC you don't know what you're talking about.

"The officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."  That flies directly in the fact of what you're talking about.  The suspect doesn't have to be armed as you demand, only a reasonable threat to the public. So there doesn't even have to be a direct threat to a person, or as you say pointing a weapon at someone.  I mean I can't spoon feed this any other way to you. 


And now cops can be beaten to death in your world, as long as a weapon isn't used.  Awesome.  I'll remember that when you go on a tirade about cops almost killing someone when hitting them.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 17, 2015, 11:46:07 AM
I'd say the person who beat the crap out of the cop should be tried and jailed for that just like the cop who beat the crap out of the guy with his hands up should be tried and jailed.

Also, if a mass killer drops his weapons and starts running, I'd agree that it's ok for the cops to shoot him if they can't otherwise catch him. Otherwise he might do it again. So I guess we've found a second case where it's alright.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 17, 2015, 11:52:47 AM


Never been in a fight?  I mean just normal everyday response tells you that is a rough ridin' absurd.  If someone goes at your face you act with force to end the threat.

Don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit MiR.

I'm confused about why this is direted at me and why you're swearing
Umm that fact you're using a childish meme to make a point about a comment that was already diffused?  Yeah that's kinda bullshit.

You need to calm the eff down, you're cussing about the kermit meme, take yourself even more seriously.

Anyway, that post I asked you to address talks about how the cop approached the guy he beat up and the suspect wasn't the aggressor at all, you posted some barely coherent crap about someone going at someone else's face. So do you want to read meatsauce's post and try again or do you want to look stupid about something else? Personally I don't care, I'm entertained either way.

Man you're going to have a tough time as an adult if you think people calling your bullshit position bullshit is hysteria. 

And I've talked about your point multiple times.  You can choose to ignore it, or read posts.  But judging by the discourse of the Pit you've made up your mind.  The fact is the witness testimony doesn't directly conflict with what the cop said, and it doesn't directly conflict with what the victim is claiming.  The author of the piece paints it one direction for sure. In fact if you read the poorly written account there is actually no way for the incident to occur the way its depicted without adding in steps.  All accounts pretty much agree the person was rushed by the cop and that a scuffle broke out.  The witness doesn't have any input on what was said as well.  Does the situation take on a radically different scenario if Barger says "Yes officer, I'll come peacefully, just let me put my kitten down" versus "eff you I'll kill you cop! You aren't taking me in alive!"  But lets get back to the conflicting statements.  How does one, with no steps in between, put someone in a head lock and and cause that kind of damage with elbow strikes?  Now we can infer what happened based on what we want to believe happened, which you all have done, but at this point we don't have enough info (my position all along) to really judge what happened here.  The emotional reaction you all have displayed here is why we need more body cams, more independent review, and more accountability for people tampering with evidence.

I think the witness provided the "steps in between" when he stated that the cop charged the guy.

Not in any way shape or form.  Both accounts agree the cop put hands on the guy. You're adding info to your narrative.

The worst part of all this bullshit you people are trapped into, is that you've missed the worst part of this story.  Why did the cop admit to pulling his gun?  That weapon should only be drawn to protect the lives of the officer or surrounding populace.  It is not a compliance tool.  Why did this situation get so out of control that the cop felt the need to use deadly force OR why did the cop use it so early as a compliance tool?

You read what you want but the "in between step" in the cop rushing the citizen. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 18, 2015, 04:49:03 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/09/17/on-duty-police-officers-have-shot-and-killed-more-than-700-people-this-year/

amazing there aren't national stats on this
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 18, 2015, 04:51:06 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/09/17/on-duty-police-officers-have-shot-and-killed-more-than-700-people-this-year/

amazing there aren't national stats on this

This should be mandatory or no fed money:
Quote
Federal data on police shootings is notoriously inaccurate and incomplete — in large part because the data they collect is voluntarily reported, and most police departments do not participate.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on September 19, 2015, 05:38:06 AM
679 men to 26 women killed by police. That is 96% men. Men make up 50% of the population. War on men?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 19, 2015, 08:01:10 PM
679 men to 26 women killed by police. That is 96% men. Men make up 50% of the population. War on men?

Really misogynistic of them to basically ignore women.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on September 19, 2015, 08:14:19 PM
679 men to 26 women killed by police. That is 96% men. Men make up 50% of the population. War on men?

Really misogynistic of them to basically ignore women.
Not fully acclimated to being in combat roles yet.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on September 19, 2015, 08:44:42 PM
it's the same reason why blacks are disproportionately killed.  police abuse, beat and kill people they are afraid of.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 19, 2015, 09:06:01 PM
i bet, proportionally, more women assault police officers
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 20, 2015, 08:07:06 AM
it's the same reason why blacks are disproportionately killed.  police abuse, beat and kill people they are afraid of.
I would guess exactly this.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 20, 2015, 10:56:16 AM
it's the same reason why blacks are disproportionately killed.  police abuse, beat and kill people they are afraid of.

Why would police have a reason to be more afraid of black people. I don't get this.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on September 20, 2015, 11:03:22 AM
it's the same reason why blacks are disproportionately killed.  police abuse, beat and kill people they are afraid of.

Why would police have a reason to be more afraid of black people. I don't get this.

Upbringing
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 20, 2015, 12:41:20 PM
it's the same reason why blacks are disproportionately killed.  police abuse, beat and kill people they are afraid of.

Why would police have a reason to be more afraid of black people. I don't get this.

You're assuming all fear is logical
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 21, 2015, 12:06:08 AM
it's the same reason why blacks are disproportionately killed.  police abuse, beat and kill people they are afraid of.

Why would police have a reason to be more afraid of black people. I don't get this.

You should ask the cops. I'd start with the PBA in NYC and that Jeff Roorda guy who runs a cop union in St. Louis, they both seem to have a healthy amount of fear of coons.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slobber on September 21, 2015, 08:02:13 AM
I cannot believe you said that.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiet on September 21, 2015, 10:01:02 AM
I cannot believe you said that.


Gonna win 'em all!

He probably should have said police union, cut him some slack, it's not that big a deal.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 22, 2015, 02:27:37 PM
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/22/9371913/obama-black-lives-matter

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/11/9312175/fyf911-fuk-yo-flag-black-attacks

http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/09/exclusive-law-enforcement-agencies-on-alert-for-black-lives-matter-attacks-on-911/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 22, 2015, 02:31:24 PM
Well they have a year to prepare
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 22, 2015, 02:38:52 PM
Well they have a year to prepare

A little less now.  Time to lace up the combat boots and get the MRAP serviced.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 22, 2015, 03:01:58 PM
Maybe edn was making some sort of black people are always late joke?  :dunno:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 22, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
Maybe edn was making some sort of black people are always late joke?  :dunno:

Maybe he was posting an old article predicting attacks that never happened those proving to be a myth?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 22, 2015, 03:26:47 PM
That's certainly a possibility as well.

We may never know
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 22, 2015, 03:42:58 PM
Maybe edn was making some sort of black people are always late joke?  :dunno:

Maybe he was posting an old article predicting attacks that never happened those proving to be a myth?

Or it was an interesting piece and I posted the two relevant pieces to show how Foxnews/Brietbart/DC are constructing their narrative?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 23, 2015, 11:34:42 AM
Maybe edn was making some sort of black people are always late joke?  :dunno:

Maybe he was posting an old article predicting attacks that never happened those proving to be a myth?

Or it was an interesting piece and I posted the two relevant pieces to show how Foxnews/Brietbart/DC are constructing their narrative?

Is interesting the same thing as totally predictable?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 23, 2015, 03:15:10 PM
i got in a phone fight with the troopers association's (fake charity) commissioned salesperson and he for serious said "DO YOU WANT KANSAS TO BE LIKE FERGUSON OR BALTIMORE"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 23, 2015, 03:23:17 PM
i got in a phone fight with the troopers association's (fake charity) commissioned salesperson and he for serious said "DO YOU WANT KANSAS TO BE LIKE FERGUSON OR BALTIMORE"

So the police are racist because no one gave money to their charity?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 23, 2015, 03:28:16 PM
I always ask them for a donation to my retirement fund and try to strike a deal where I would give them a little hard hat sticker for their back window.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on September 23, 2015, 03:44:03 PM
did you pick Baltimore or Ferguson?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 23, 2015, 03:47:07 PM
did you pick Baltimore or Ferguson?

 :lol: hopefully next time i can be that smart

I would pick baltimore, tho
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on September 23, 2015, 03:47:55 PM
totes
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 23, 2015, 04:16:21 PM
Totally Baltimore.  He needs to work on his multiple choice
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on September 25, 2015, 05:24:57 AM
Google Jeremy McDole
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 25, 2015, 06:52:17 AM
Well it's not this guy http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/24/maryland-man-fatally-shot-police-finger-gun (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/24/maryland-man-fatally-shot-police-finger-gun)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 25, 2015, 06:54:36 AM
No systemic problem anywhere. Just another clean kill that must be considered solely on it's own merits. It's a war out theretm
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 25, 2015, 06:58:09 AM
Google Jeremy McDole
My favorite part is when they ordered him to drop the gun and then wasted him when he reached into his pocket where the gun allegedly was. By the BookTM
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on September 26, 2015, 01:42:29 AM
i see nothing wrong, they both got what they asked for
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on September 26, 2015, 12:09:23 PM
Sweet home Chicago http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/24/1424510/-The-deep-ugly-and-damn-near-unbelievable-rabbit-hole-of-violence-corruption-within-the-Chicago-PD
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on September 26, 2015, 12:55:34 PM
Yikes. The Chicago PD is horrible.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 26, 2015, 02:09:33 PM
Sweet home Chicago http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/24/1424510/-The-deep-ugly-and-damn-near-unbelievable-rabbit-hole-of-violence-corruption-within-the-Chicago-PD
Woof
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on October 06, 2015, 10:10:31 AM
Last summer the biker cop gun battle in Waco left 9 dead.   No one is charged yet fo the shooting.  Dammit these poor biker dudes matter.   Since they are mostly old fat rasty mean white guys this is going and swept under the rug.  Where is the Fergieagiterrorists?   How about a statement from Obama.? 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on October 06, 2015, 11:25:58 AM
Last summer the biker cop gun battle in Waco left 9 dead.   No one is charged yet fo the shooting.  Dammit these poor biker dudes matter.   Since they are mostly old fat rasty mean white guys this is going and swept under the rug.  Where is the Fergieagiterrorists?   How about a statement from Obama.?

I think a lot of those bikers were Hispanic.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on October 06, 2015, 11:31:51 AM

why was there even a shooting there when they all had guns?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 06, 2015, 11:33:17 AM

why was there even a shooting there when they all had guns?

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on October 06, 2015, 02:08:19 PM
http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/investigations/kansas-city-store-clerk-sues-kansas-city-police-department-officer-for-unnecessary-taser-use

Guy is working at a convenience store. His car outside is parked up on a curb. Office Dum Dum, instead of putting a parking ticket on the man's windshield, decides to open up the guy's car and search it. Man sees this and comes out of his store to ask why he is going thru his car. Office calls for backup and tases the man for good measure. Then cop lies on the report saying the car was registered to a known gang member.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on October 08, 2015, 07:56:59 PM
NEw York cops stopped a 32 year old black woman who driving a BMW.  She told them she Is a banker and she owned the car.  They thought this was not possible and she was mental.  So they chucked her in a mental ward and drugged her up. Finally they realized she was telling  the truth and let her go.  She got a.hospital bill for $13,000.  Good old liberland.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2015, 08:04:44 PM
fsd thinks that's ok
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on October 08, 2015, 08:34:20 PM
Good thing she didn't resist. She'd be dead. Edn would think that was ok.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2015, 03:29:24 PM
Doesn't fit the theme of the thread, but it's a very mumped up story
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sheriffs-deputy-fatally-shot-patient-being-treated-minnesota-hospital-n446751
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on October 20, 2015, 07:21:41 AM
A young black man who is a city employee and church leader was shot by a police officer in San Francisco.  His car broke down and he was walking home.  An unmarked police car came up to him and for some reason the officer shot him.  This crap has to stop.  To many policemen are not to bright and have a authority ego that is dangerous.  "Do what I say boy and no lip, or I will shoot you."  Pay better, train better, and get smarter cops.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on October 20, 2015, 11:59:13 AM
a cop in sf is not underpaid.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on October 20, 2015, 12:00:39 PM
what kind of retardation results in the following logic:

1. the police are immoral, violent and corrupt.
2. we should give them a raise.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on October 20, 2015, 12:59:00 PM
Sweet home Chicago http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/24/1424510/-The-deep-ugly-and-damn-near-unbelievable-rabbit-hole-of-violence-corruption-within-the-Chicago-PD
Woof

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-disappeared-thousands?CMP=twt_gu (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-disappeared-thousands?CMP=twt_gu)

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on October 20, 2015, 02:37:56 PM
Obviously the crap in Chicago is bad, but we don't need this sensationalist reporting.  It's offensive to anyone who knows the term "the disappeared" and comparing a red brick building with lights to a paramilitary group? GMAFB. Let the story stand on its own and it will be harder to deny.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 20, 2015, 10:18:16 PM
what kind of retardation results in the following logic:

1. the police are immoral, violent and corrupt.
2. we should give them a raise.

Check with the NEA
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on October 21, 2015, 04:51:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C1p3MC_Hdc

(http://fairdui.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/fairdui-tx-front.jpg)

supposedly what the dude held up at first
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on October 21, 2015, 06:15:02 PM
good for him.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on October 21, 2015, 06:33:42 PM
Man that was stressful
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 21, 2015, 11:07:48 PM
What a rough ridin' moron. Does that idiot know how many people have been blasted on camera by the cops? A rough ridin' lot, that's how many. He's so rough ridin' clever but not smart enough not to reach down for his cell phone in a dark area where the cops can't see and where people usually have a holstered gun.

If you think cops are violent and crooked and you need to treat then as if they are a felon pointing a gun at you. In this situation you have one job, don't get shot. His little cute stunt was stupid and could have got his black ass killed.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: lopakman on October 28, 2015, 02:35:31 PM
Just disgusting.

(http://video.foxnews.com/v/4584213707001/south-carolina-cop-fired-for-violent-arrest-of-student/?#sp=show-clips)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on October 28, 2015, 03:04:14 PM
update on when i got pissed about that kansas state troops assn telebully and tweeted at the AG office: they sent me a complaint application and i filled it out and then an investigator sent me an email asking for more info and i ignored it because i really wasnt hot enough by that time to fill out any more forms but i just got a letter from the KSTA skeezy lawyers both apologizing and saying that i was probably mistaken about the source of the call but promising to put me on their no call list.

i want them to keep calling though so i can let them have it and so i can practice verbal arguing
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on October 28, 2015, 03:15:07 PM
tweeting at the KSAG office is shockingly effective is what i'm saying
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 29, 2015, 01:58:12 PM
This should probably go in the FB thread too, but check this guy out. Hometown person posted this and Eudora trash steps in like usual:

http://madworldnews.com/applaud-termination-officer/

Eudorians comments:

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Still not a rough ridin' excuse to body slam the girl, jesus christ.

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Blacks already thank their a ove the law.they thank they should be albe to break the law and get away with it.the teach their kidds that to.

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Amber i bet you thank they should be abel to break the law and get away with it to don't you.

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I was wondering where the blatant racist comment would come from. I’m honestly not even surprised.

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Im a racist just because im right.a lot of folks agree with me they just don't have the guts to say it out loud.you need to sweep around your own back door before you call somebody a racist.but thats what you do any time some body don't agree with you you call them a racist.

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What are you even talking about? I am not the one who brought race into this at all. Maybe you should stop making assumptions about people you clearly know nothing about just because they don’t agree with you.

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The media brought race into it just like they always do.i for one don't give a dam who agrees with me and who don't.so you have s good day .love you to.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on October 30, 2015, 03:45:51 PM
the Missouri ozarks cop that blew the whistle on the cop who drowned that Iowa kid was demoted and facing an internal complaint a while ago. well the complaint has been dropped and the cop retired instead.

Quote
“And he has retired wanting nothing else to do with this organization.”

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article41961588.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article41961588.html)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2015, 07:04:10 PM
the Missouri ozarks cop that blew the whistle on the cop who drowned that Iowa kid was demoted and facing an internal complaint a while ago. well the complaint has been dropped and the cop retired instead.

Quote
“And he has retired wanting nothing else to do with this organization.”

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article41961588.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article41961588.html)

yuck
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on November 10, 2015, 10:24:45 AM
100% certainty these two would not have been charged for murdering a 6 year old had there not been body camera footage

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeremy-mardis-father-hands-up_56413a0de4b0307f2caeb86b
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slobber on November 25, 2015, 12:59:44 AM
Good God. How is that Chicago cop not in jail already?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on November 25, 2015, 07:57:52 AM
the Missouri ozarks cop that blew the whistle on the cop who drowned that Iowa kid was demoted and facing an internal complaint a while ago. well the complaint has been dropped and the cop retired instead.

Quote
“And he has retired wanting nothing else to do with this organization.”

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article41961588.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article41961588.html)

"I want nothing to do with a bunch of people that are going to hold me accountable for negligent homicide! Get the eff off my lawn!"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on November 25, 2015, 08:27:18 AM

Good God. How is that Chicago cop not in jail already?

The one the video was just released on? He's charged with first degree murder at least
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 25, 2015, 09:37:23 AM
Is this the one where they destroyed other video?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 114Hickory on November 25, 2015, 09:57:38 AM
Good God. How is that Chicago cop not in jail already?

It's Chicago.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slobber on November 25, 2015, 11:28:52 AM


Good God. How is that Chicago cop not in jail already?

The one the video was just released on? He's charged with first degree murder at least
yes, that one. Just surprised it took over a year to file charges, which evidently was what finally triggered the release of the video.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on November 25, 2015, 11:33:25 AM



Good God. How is that Chicago cop not in jail already?

The one the video was just released on? He's charged with first degree murder at least
yes, that one. Just surprised it took over a year to file charges, which evidently was what finally triggered the release of the video.


Gonna win 'em all!
It's better for them to not rush the cause and get it right.  Rather it be a year and a conviction than a week and a sloppy case.

Chicago would have exploded if that video was released before the murder charges were filed.  They made the right call deciding to wait to release it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on November 25, 2015, 11:35:33 AM
when i see a video like that, i wonder how often crap like that happens that we never hear about.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slobber on November 25, 2015, 11:41:59 AM




Good God. How is that Chicago cop not in jail already?

The one the video was just released on? He's charged with first degree murder at least
yes, that one. Just surprised it took over a year to file charges, which evidently was what finally triggered the release of the video.


Gonna win 'em all!
It's better for them to not rush the cause and get it right.  Rather it be a year and a conviction than a week and a sloppy case.

Chicago would have exploded if that video was released before the murder charges were filed.  They made the right call deciding to wait to release it.
That is a great point. I just don't understand how it takes over a year to charge that POS.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slobber on November 25, 2015, 11:43:05 AM

when i see a video like that, i wonder how often crap like that happens that we never hear about.
I have heard that thought a dozen times today. "Hmmmmm, is there any way in hell that we can justify the shooting and destroy the evidence?"


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 25, 2015, 11:43:43 AM
I dunno, maybe some of the lawyers can co, but I think cops have really really good unions that make it hard to charge them with crimes.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slobber on November 25, 2015, 11:45:59 AM
Then screw those stupid unions. YOU HEARD ME RICK DARIS!! SCREW YOUR UNION!!!!!!!


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on November 25, 2015, 12:02:39 PM
the Missouri ozarks cop that blew the whistle on the cop who drowned that Iowa kid was demoted and facing an internal complaint a while ago. well the complaint has been dropped and the cop retired instead.

Quote
“And he has retired wanting nothing else to do with this organization.”

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article41961588.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article41961588.html)

"I want nothing to do with a bunch of people that are going to hold me accountable for negligent homicide! Get the eff off my lawn!"

no, the guy that wants nothing to do with them is the one that spoke up about how the cops helped drown the dude.  the guy that helped drown him is still happy to associate with organization that is protecting him from being prosecuted for killing people.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on November 25, 2015, 02:45:15 PM
https://youtu.be/CtHeOrEzm94?t=269
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: lopakman on November 25, 2015, 02:51:02 PM



Good God. How is that Chicago cop not in jail already?

The one the video was just released on? He's charged with first degree murder at least
yes, that one. Just surprised it took over a year to file charges, which evidently was what finally triggered the release of the video.


Gonna win 'em all!
It's better for them to not rush the cause and get it right.  Rather it be a year and a conviction than a week and a sloppy case.

Chicago would have exploded if that video was released before the murder charges were filed.  They made the right call deciding to wait to release it.

That's complete bullshit.    Get it right?   :lol:  The police and the city fought to keep this video from being released and tried to tie it up in red tape in hopes that it would be forgotten about.  The city also settled with the family for $5 million even before the family filed suit.  They knew damn well what was on that video, and when the mayor said this week he hasn't seen the video he's either lying or has complete apathy for what happened.  sloppy case my ass smh they should have convicted this cop a year ago.  I also loved how the DA said she made her decision weeks ago to prosecute the cop.  Bullshit, complete cover up and she only prosecuted because a judge ordered the tape released.  And as for not rushing, the fact that it took 400 days to release the video is one of the reason's people are so pissed off. 

The video made me sick, I wish I could take back watching it.

I believe there are more good cops then bad cops but it's frightening to think about how many times crap like this has happened when the cops got away with it. 

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 25, 2015, 04:45:32 PM
https://www.facebook.com/TheKellyFile/videos/1735567333324791/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 25, 2015, 04:52:28 PM
Why were the cops pulled over anyways? What was going on? Was that kid even involved?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 05, 2015, 07:58:55 PM
How long before we completely overhaul how we train police? This crap happens every day.

https://news.vice.com/article/graphic-video-shows-miami-beach-police-shoot-shirtless-man-at-close-range?utm_source=vicenewsfb

http://m.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2015/12/02/witness-video-appears-to-show-police-shooting-in-bayview
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on December 07, 2015, 12:15:21 PM
How long before we completely overhaul how we train police? This crap happens every day.

https://news.vice.com/article/graphic-video-shows-miami-beach-police-shoot-shirtless-man-at-close-range?utm_source=vicenewsfb

http://m.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2015/12/02/witness-video-appears-to-show-police-shooting-in-bayview
sympathetic gun fire is a bitch.....
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on December 07, 2015, 12:15:39 PM
renocat post
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/12/07/woman-hits-officer-with-serious-allegation-after-traffic-stop-after-she-signs-written-statement-detective-delivers-the-bad-news/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 07, 2015, 01:00:28 PM


Quote
  They knew damn well what was on that video, and when the mayor said this week he hasn't seen the video he's either lying or has complete apathy for what happened.  sloppy case my ass smh they should have convicted this cop a year ago.  I also loved how the DA said she made her decision weeks ago to prosecute the cop.  Bullshit, complete cover up and she only prosecuted because a judge ordered the tape released.  And as for not rushing, the fact that it took 400 days to release the video is one of the reason's people are so pissed off. 


Well, the mayor is Obama's former chief of staff, so of course he's a liar and apathetic towards what happened.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2015, 09:49:55 PM
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/566769bae4b080eddf560fec?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slobber on December 09, 2015, 07:05:34 AM

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/566769bae4b080eddf560fec?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
Good god. Before we start fully vetting Syrians, maybe we should start with police officers.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on December 09, 2015, 12:01:34 PM
Jesus, that sounds like a really bad cop movie.  I mean, the main act was  :surprised: enough, but hitting the pedestrian en route, then trying to frame them for that and planting guns and stuff....I mean, holy crap. 

One step needed to rectify this is to raise the penalties for such actions.  I mean, if a cop is ever caught planting evidence, that should be a really rough ridin' long sentence.  Same with absurdly false charges.   

Some of the police have grown up watching too many cop shows.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on December 14, 2015, 02:37:58 PM
I really hope this is bullshit...

http://deadstate.org/missouri-police-chief-who-took-a-familys-lost-puppy-to-a-firing-range-and-shot-it-dead-has-resigned/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2015, 02:42:18 PM
Worthless human
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on December 15, 2015, 01:30:09 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/outrage-police-shooting-drunk-driver-paradise-california-officer-patrick-feaster/

an accident.  no possible way to determine intent.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on December 15, 2015, 02:22:43 PM
Quote
can we prove a case of intentional discharge of that weapon beyond a reasonable doubt? We could not," District Attorney Mike Ramsey said.

If you can't prove it when you have a video of a cop pulling a gun, pointing it, it discharging, then the cop reholstering the weapon, then when can you prove it?  I mean, if cops just refrain from saying "I am going to shoot you now" before shooting ppl, they should have the same equal chance of just saying it was an accident.

This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on December 15, 2015, 03:02:02 PM
that's a very restrictive attitude, cns.  maybe they should be allowed to state their intent to shoot, providing they wink at the camera?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on December 15, 2015, 03:12:24 PM
'who knows what that wink meant?  We can't even be sure it was a wink and not a wince.  It is possible he winced when he accidentally shot the victim, therefore we can't press charges."
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on December 18, 2015, 02:09:22 PM
Re: that MO drowning case, Cop looking at involuntary manslaughter now
http://www.ky3.com/news/local/missouri-trooper-charged-in-handcuffed-iowa-mans-drowning/21048998_37032246
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on December 18, 2015, 02:14:05 PM
Hadn't seen this angle on the Ellingson drowning too
http://whotv.com/2015/08/12/ellingson-drowning-new-allegations-against-missouri-highway-patrol/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on December 20, 2015, 01:07:44 PM
this ought to be interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I-Xg-Ga1a8
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on December 21, 2015, 12:19:21 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article50908520.html

A Leawood family lost their lawsuit against the police department after their house was raided by a SWAT team. They were growing tea leaves in a hydroponic setup. Cops searched through their trash and misidentified the leaves as marijuana. Then raided their house and stuck guns in their kids faces. Judge felt it was totally justified. The parents were ex-CIA.

I would assume Police 101 would teach you the difference between weed leaves and every other plant leaf. But hey, what do I know?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on December 26, 2015, 12:34:54 PM
Cops just killed a couple people on the west side of Chicago. One was a nineteen year old man that the police were called on because he was threatening his father with a bat. The second was a 56 year old woman who lives in the same building and was killed by what appears to be a stray bullet.  The police were the only ones involved who had firearms.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on January 06, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html

Final tally: Police shot and killed 984 people in 2015
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on January 06, 2016, 01:23:16 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html

Final tally: Police shot and killed 984 people in 2015
DNR, but last I read, something like 60% of depts don't even report these stats.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 07, 2016, 11:35:55 AM
Was listening a tiny desk concert of a fantastic young jazz musician, Christian Scott aTunde Adjuah and he tells a story about being harassed in New Orleans by the cops. Worth the watch and the composition is great as well.

https://youtu.be/mVJjmyFfuts?list=PL1B627337ED6F55F0&t=930 (https://youtu.be/mVJjmyFfuts?list=PL1B627337ED6F55F0&t=930)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on January 20, 2016, 06:24:55 PM
http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2016/01/20/the-grand-jury-in-the-tamir-rice-case-did-not-take-a-vote-on-charges
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mhkpasa on February 09, 2016, 03:18:01 PM
Unarmed, naked, 17 y.o. AA
AA officer

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/crime-law/sources-man-killed-by-austin-police-monday-was-una/nqMLz/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Yard Dog on February 12, 2016, 11:26:11 AM
The myths of BLM:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myths-of-black-lives-matter-1455235686
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on February 12, 2016, 01:16:27 PM
Maybe link a story not behind a paywall
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on February 12, 2016, 01:22:54 PM
Look at the :kstategrad: here with his fancy wsj subscription.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on February 12, 2016, 02:02:44 PM
Maybe link a story not behind a paywall

https://www.google.com/search?q=myth+black+lives+matter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on February 12, 2016, 02:05:18 PM
Maybe link a story not behind a paywall

https://www.google.com/search?q=myth+black+lives+matter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Well that was useless
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Yard Dog on February 12, 2016, 03:06:04 PM
Maybe link a story not behind a paywall

https://www.google.com/search?q=myth+black+lives+matter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Well that was useless

Try this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B26fsRx_8SFgcUhNbndfbWpIUE0/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on February 12, 2016, 03:07:01 PM
Great success!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on February 12, 2016, 03:11:49 PM
Well that piece of trash wasn't worth the effort I had to exude to read it
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on February 12, 2016, 03:50:41 PM
Maybe link a story not behind a paywall

https://www.google.com/search?q=myth+black+lives+matter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Well that was useless

you couldn't read it after entering through google?  i thought you were just saying the editorial was useless.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on February 12, 2016, 03:51:37 PM
Maybe link a story not behind a paywall

https://www.google.com/search?q=myth+black+lives+matter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Well that was useless

you couldn't read it after entering through google?

Correct, still had paywall
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on February 12, 2016, 03:59:54 PM
weird.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Yard Dog on February 12, 2016, 04:08:48 PM
Well that piece of trash wasn't worth the effort I had to exude to read it

Because you didn't like how the stats were framed?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on February 12, 2016, 04:54:36 PM
Good grief  :facepalm:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on March 04, 2016, 10:13:54 PM
Someone needs to murder this [redacted], beat him to death with a bag of hot coins.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/04/state-trooper-gets-just-6-months-for-raping-car-accident-victim.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on March 04, 2016, 10:23:46 PM
Can serve at intervals as he chooses.  I have never heard of that.  This is so mumped.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on March 04, 2016, 10:26:16 PM
My question is, and I don't have a great understanding of the law, but how is this just a misdemeanor?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on March 04, 2016, 10:50:28 PM
The state prosecutors that offered him a plea deal are maybe worse than he is, if that's possible.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on March 05, 2016, 08:32:30 AM
I understand that getting convictions in sexual assault cases is difficult but they had seemingly overwhelming evidence in this case. The relationship between cops and prosecutors is so mumped.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on March 05, 2016, 09:10:23 AM

I understand that getting convictions in sexual assault cases is difficult but they had seemingly overwhelming evidence in this case. The relationship between cops and prosecutors is so mumped.

Especially after watching Making a Murderer, I tend to agree. They should have special prosecutors for cases involving cops. Maybe federal employees or something. At the very least the prosecutor should be from an entirely different jurisdiction.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on March 30, 2016, 01:25:41 AM
Unfortunately we're back and this one is bad

http://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/man-killed-by-arizona-police-begged-please-dont-shoot-me
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on March 30, 2016, 01:44:29 AM
it's good to keep posting these.  people forget.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on March 30, 2016, 07:44:58 AM
My god
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2016, 06:40:14 PM
http://archive.azcentral.com/persistent/icimages/news/Supplemental_report.pdf

^That crap is really bad
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on April 01, 2016, 03:26:22 AM
I'm starting to wonder if the bigger societal issue isn't the prosecutor's office(s) on a macro level.  Sure we all agree what these cops are doing is mumped, but the prosecutors aren't a check or deterrent for the "bad apples" in these departments.  How do you overhauls the check on the police when they rely on the cops to make cases.  Fed level independent agency of just police and AD checking?  Or rather remove ADs from the process entirely and have this agency only handle cop incidents, no local/state involvement?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on April 01, 2016, 06:20:46 AM
We could decide to elevate the status and pay of police officers to attract better candidates. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on April 01, 2016, 11:05:47 AM
We could decide to elevate the status and pay of police officers to attract better candidates.

good lord, wetwillie.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 01, 2016, 11:39:57 AM
the way police are trained and used is probably a bigger problem.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on April 01, 2016, 12:56:50 PM
Hard to train the knuckle draggers they scrape off the ex military trash heap for 38k a year. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on April 01, 2016, 01:06:55 PM
http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/fresno/

https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/8657165-Excessive-force-lawsuits-against-Calif-PD-piling-up-after-landmark-settlement/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 01, 2016, 01:24:09 PM
Hard to train the knuckle draggers they scrape off the ex military trash heap for 38k a year. 

Regardless of whether you think they are underpaid (they still have strong unions and amazing pensions), they are a product of their environment. Like, the officer yelling at the guy in Arizona like he was a rabid dog (or worse) was simply because that is how they are trained to deal with suspects. If he was well paid (which is highly possible), he would have acted the same way.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on April 01, 2016, 01:31:52 PM
http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/fresno/

https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/8657165-Excessive-force-lawsuits-against-Calif-PD-piling-up-after-landmark-settlement/


Yea disregard,  my hot take apparently was ice cold.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 08, 2016, 04:59:41 PM
http://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Video-shows-San-Francisco-police-shooting-7237146.php?t=affc576ec7&cmpid=fb-premium
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 06, 2016, 09:49:29 AM
it happened again  :frown:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2016, 10:11:48 AM
It seems a lot of these targets are huge black men, carrying, and resisting arrest.  :frown:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 06, 2016, 10:59:21 AM
It seems a lot of these targets are huge black men, carrying, and resisting arrest.  :frown:

Didn't they already secure his gun before they moved him to to ground? I don't know all the details, I'm actually asking.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2016, 11:03:19 AM
I don't think so. Looks like they didn't see the gun until he was wrestling around with them on the ground, but i'm not 100% sure.

Here's the video: http://theadvocate.com/news/16311988-77/report-one-baton-rouge-police-officer-involved-in-fatal-shooting-of-suspect-on-north-foster-drive
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on July 06, 2016, 02:07:03 PM
It seems a lot of these targets are huge black men, carrying, and resisting arrest.  :frown:

Didn't they already secure his gun before they moved him to to ground? I don't know all the details, I'm actually asking.
no, gun was in his pocket.  In the audio you hear the gun call and later something else about the gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 06, 2016, 03:40:22 PM
The cops went to that gas station knowing well in advance he had a gun. If you can watch the cell phone video and tell me with a straight face that the suspect (pinned down by two cops) deserved deadly force from point blank range instead of, say, a taser, well then I'm going to label you a horrible racist.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 06, 2016, 03:43:02 PM
This is really sad:
Victim's son breaks down at press conference (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/us/baton-rouge-shooting-alton-sterling/?sr=fbCNN070616baton-rouge-shooting-alton-sterling0929AMVODtop)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2016, 03:49:47 PM
The cops went to that gas station knowing well in advance he had a gun. If you can watch the cell phone video and tell me with a straight face that the suspect (pinned down by two cops) deserved deadly force from point blank range instead of, say, a taser, well then I'm going to label you a horrible racist.
If you read it, they hit him with a taser to begin with, and he kept trying to fight them off afterwards.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2016, 03:56:29 PM
I wouldn't want that job in a million years. Why were they called there? So many questions? The owner of the shop seemed to like him a lot.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 06, 2016, 04:07:09 PM
The cops went to that gas station knowing well in advance he had a gun. If you can watch the cell phone video and tell me with a straight face that the suspect (pinned down by two cops) deserved deadly force from point blank range instead of, say, a taser, well then I'm going to label you a horrible racist.
If you read it, they hit him with a taser to begin with, and he kept trying to fight them off afterwards.

Ahh, I didn't see that. If that's true then I stand corrected, but still, c'mon. Four shots while they've both got him pinned to the pavement? Come on. Like, aren't you trained how to disarm perps way back when you first go to police academy?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fedor on July 06, 2016, 04:17:16 PM
The cops went to that gas station knowing well in advance he had a gun. If you can watch the cell phone video and tell me with a straight face that the suspect (pinned down by two cops) deserved deadly force from point blank range instead of, say, a taser, well then I'm going to label you a horrible racist.
If you read it, they hit him with a taser to begin with, and he kept trying to fight them off afterwards.

Ahh, I didn't see that. If that's true then I stand corrected, but still, c'mon. Four shots while they've both got him pinned to the pavement? Come on. Like, aren't you trained how to disarm perps way back when you first go to police academy?
You disarm them by shooting them.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2016, 04:19:19 PM
The cops went to that gas station knowing well in advance he had a gun. If you can watch the cell phone video and tell me with a straight face that the suspect (pinned down by two cops) deserved deadly force from point blank range instead of, say, a taser, well then I'm going to label you a horrible racist.
If you read it, they hit him with a taser to begin with, and he kept trying to fight them off afterwards.

Ahh, I didn't see that. If that's true then I stand corrected, but still, c'mon. Four shots while they've both got him pinned to the pavement? Come on. Like, aren't you trained how to disarm perps way back when you first go to police academy?
Oh, I totally agree. I believe the first shot you hear is the taser going off and then the struggle on the ground. I'd probably be pretty rough ridin' squirmy too, after just getting tased.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 06, 2016, 04:24:46 PM
Here's some--SOME--of the video for people who haven't seen it yet. Horrible

http://www.wwltv.com/mb/news/witness-video-shows-fatal-confrontation-after-shooting-by-baton-rouge-police/264960219
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2016, 04:38:25 PM
Don't you live in that area, SB? I'm surprised it's not all you've heard about in the last 24 hours.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mhkpasa on July 06, 2016, 05:14:26 PM
I wouldn't want that job in a million years. Why were they called there? So many questions? The owner of the shop seemed to like him a lot.

Initial reports said police received a call about a man in a red shirt waving a gun at the store, and that he was initially tazed, IIRC

http://www.chron.com/news/local/article/Graphic-second-video-of-Alton-Sterling-shooting-8344113.php
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on July 06, 2016, 11:38:03 PM
Minnesota, dude gets killed in his car and it's on Facebook


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 07, 2016, 12:14:22 AM
holy crap this woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSOXA9Zc9lw&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 07, 2016, 12:18:27 AM
Holy crap, that's crazy. A d00d from the MHS class of 200 lives on that street. :surprised:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 07, 2016, 07:20:23 AM
Lord
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2016, 07:40:01 AM
Holy crap, that's crazy. A d00d from the MHS class of 200 lives on that street. :surprised:

Dude must be old as crap
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 07, 2016, 08:43:46 AM
JFC
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 07, 2016, 09:07:42 AM
That was horrible. I made it about 45 seconds into that video. I'm certain that the concealed carry crowd will certainly jump to the defense of this man, and probably the NRA will pay for his funeral, too.




P.S. Lib7 :lol:


Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 07, 2016, 09:11:26 AM
Will not watch
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 07, 2016, 09:15:08 AM
Honestly you probably should tho. Kinda like...everyone should. HEY COPS STOP KILLING BLACK PEOPLE FOR REAL THOUGH.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on July 07, 2016, 09:20:59 AM
little kid at the end going like "it's okay mommy" once she finally loses her crap is very :frown:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 07, 2016, 09:21:13 AM
Honestly you probably should tho. Kinda like...everyone should. HEY COPS STOP KILLING BLACK PEOPLE FOR REAL THOUGH.
Yep. The uncensored videos should go on the six o'clock news.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on July 07, 2016, 09:21:51 AM
HEY COPS STOP KILLING BLACK PEOPLE FOR REAL THOUGH.

that should be a cop rule. like...

1)wear a clean uniform
2)don't kill black people
3)show up on time
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 07, 2016, 09:28:20 AM
Funny coming from you, RD!  :curse:
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on July 07, 2016, 09:35:10 AM
holy crap this woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSOXA9Zc9lw&feature=youtu.be

I really don't know what to think of this video. First of all, the woman is oddly calm for having her bf shot and dying right in front of her. Maybe in shock? But with enough wits to start live streaming the thing on Facebook?

Second, the video only really shows that the guy got shot while in the car (which is bad enough). It's mainly just a narration of the event, which is incredibly mumped up if true, but I'd still wait to see if there is a second story of events before taking it as entirely true.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 07, 2016, 09:36:34 AM


holy crap this woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSOXA9Zc9lw&feature=youtu.be

I really don't know what to think of this video. First of all, the woman is oddly calm for having her bf shot and dying right in front of her. Maybe in shock? But with enough wits to start live streaming the thing on Facebook?

Second, the video only really shows that the guy got shot while in the car (which is bad enough). It's mainly just a narration of the event, which is incredibly mumped up if true, but I'd still wait to see if there is a second story of event before taking it as entirely true.

Here's what you can think about it: it's horrifying and cops shoot too many people
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 07, 2016, 10:01:42 AM
holy crap this woman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSOXA9Zc9lw&feature=youtu.be

I really don't know what to think of this video. First of all, the woman is oddly calm for having her bf shot and dying right in front of her. Maybe in shock? But with enough wits to start live streaming the thing on Facebook?

Second, the video only really shows that the guy got shot while in the car (which is bad enough). It's mainly just a narration of the event, which is incredibly mumped up if true, but I'd still wait to see if there is a second story of events before taking it as entirely true.

She's oddly calm because she doesn't also want to be randomly murdered by a policeman
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 07, 2016, 10:29:40 AM
Shock too.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on July 07, 2016, 11:48:00 AM

Here's what you can think about it: it's horrifying and cops shoot too many people

I mean, I kinda thought that before the video anyways.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 02:56:00 PM
Where is the instinct in these guys?   I know you have to be prepared for anything and part of that preparation I want to believe is not shoot first and ask questions later.    MOST people are by and large law abiding citizens, and law abiding citizens often  get nervous when being stopped by the police because they're simply not used to being in those situations and are nervous because they're not the kind of people who even want to look like they're intentionally doing something wrong.   

Not one damn thing about these last two incidents were even remotely close to a situation that should have resulted in anyone being harmed.   It's just cops that were IMO looking for trouble.



Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 07, 2016, 02:56:21 PM
This happened too.

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article88000527.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 07, 2016, 03:21:56 PM
Where is the instinct in these guys?   I know you have to be prepared for anything and part of that preparation I want to believe is not shoot first and ask questions later.    MOST people are by and large law abiding citizens, and law abiding citizens often  get nervous when being stopped by the police because they're simply not used to being in those situations and are nervous because they're not the kind of people who even want to look like they're intentionally doing something wrong.   

Not one damn thing about these last two incidents were even remotely close to a situation that should have resulted in anyone being harmed.   It's just cops that were IMO looking for trouble.

Absolutely. :applause:
Title: Re: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on July 08, 2016, 12:34:02 AM
has FSD seriously not entered this thread black-out drunk in the last week or so?  :frown:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 08:13:40 AM
This happened too.

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article88000527.html
Sad that no one wants to talk about this killing. God damnt, white lives matter people!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 08, 2016, 08:33:04 AM
I really don't know what to think of this video. First of all, the woman is oddly calm for having her bf shot and dying right in front of her. Maybe in shock? But with enough wits to start live streaming the thing on Facebook?

Second, the video only really shows that the guy got shot while in the car (which is bad enough). It's mainly just a narration of the event, which is incredibly mumped up if true, but I'd still wait to see if there is a second story of events before taking it as entirely true.

She's oddly calm because she doesn't also want to be randomly murdered by a policeman

This video... a few thoughts in no particular order:
1. Starts after the shooting. I'm hoping the cop had a body cam. Otherwise we're going to be back to he said/she said.
2. The story the woman tells seems plausible. He said he had a gun with a concealed carry permit - reasonable. The cop asked for ID - reasonable. The guy reached for his ID - reasonable. Her story is consistent.
3. The woman is oddly calm. Shock - sure. But not too shocked to whip out her phone and start live streaming on Facebook? And she's talking to "Facebook" like its a person. Is that a thing? She's just sitting here by her dying boyfriend talking to "Facebook." Something strange here and I don't think shock explains it.
4. The cop is completely unhinged. I don't know how I'd react after just shooting someone - maybe the way this guy does - but I would expect the cop to behave more calmly/professionally. You can hear him off camera and he has completely lost his crap.
5. The cop shot the guy with a woman and a little girl in the car. I teared up a little when the girl picks up the phone.

So I guess in summary I don't know if the woman is telling the truth, her story seems believable but her behavior is very strange, but the cop's behavior does not look good for him at all.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on July 08, 2016, 09:39:36 AM
How the duck is someone supposed to act after seeing that?. There is no normal, strange or any other way of acting after a trauma.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 08, 2016, 09:42:07 AM
I don't think that she thought his injuries were as grave as they were.  I don't think she realized it until she was pulled from the car.  She kept saying that he was shot in the arm.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 08, 2016, 09:42:54 AM
That cop kept trying to hide behind that gun.  Even when it was obvious the shooting was over.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 10:12:23 AM
It's incredibly obvious based on how this pig was yelling at this woman and how they treated her after they killed her boyfriend despite her demeanor that this cop has preconceived notions about black people that ultimately got someone killed. Police officers devaluing the lives of minorities is an accepted practice in this country and we will continue to have our brothers and sisters treated like wild animals until the police are properly trained, vetted, and punished when they break their oat how to serve and protect all citizens.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:16:46 AM
What perceived notions did they have on that white kid in Fresno?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: OK_Cat on July 08, 2016, 10:18:31 AM
What perceived notions did they have on that white kid in Fresno?

Cops should stop rough ridin' killing people
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on July 08, 2016, 10:18:58 AM
What perceived notions did they have on that white kid in Fresno?

you are free to start a protest against cops killing people (including white people). There have been several incidents mentioned ITT, especially the piece of crap water cop who murdered the college student by placing a life jacket over his handcuffed arms and then let the kid fall out of his boat and drown, and then tried to cover it up.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:19:16 AM
What perceived notions did they have on that white kid in Fresno?

Cops should stop rough ridin' killing people
No crap?!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:20:14 AM
What perceived notions did they have on that white kid in Fresno?

you are free to start a protest against cops killing people (including white people). There have been several incidents mentioned ITT, especially the piece of crap water cop who murdered the college student by placing a life jacket over his handcuffed arms and then let the kid fall out of his boat and drown, and then tried to cover it up.
Yeah, crap needs to be fixed. #Alllivesmatter
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 08, 2016, 10:20:42 AM
Why don't we know the identity of the Falcon Heights cop yet? Baton Rouge released the names of their two aggressors less than 36 hours later. Or maybe Falcon Heights released it already and somehow I just missed it? :dunno:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 08, 2016, 10:31:00 AM
Why don't we know the identity of the Falcon Heights cop yet? Baton Rouge released the names of their two aggressors less than 36 hours later. Or maybe Falcon Heights released it already and somehow I just missed it? :dunno:

they did
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 10:32:19 AM
What perceived notions did they have on that white kid in Fresno?

What the eff does that have to do with the incident in St. Paul? Was it the same cop?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:34:00 AM
What perceived notions did they have on that white kid in Fresno?

What the eff does that have to do with the incident in St. Paul? Was it the same cop?
Just asking a question. Sounds like they're scared of scary big ppl, not just black ppl. Pretty crazy, I know.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on July 08, 2016, 10:36:24 AM
What perceived notions did they have on that white kid in Fresno?

What the eff does that have to do with the incident in St. Paul? Was it the same cop?
Just asking a question. Sounds like they're scared of scary big ppl, not just black ppl. Pretty crazy, I know.

if half of all people murdered by cops are black people, that's a ridiculously disproportionate amount, do you agree?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: OK_Cat on July 08, 2016, 10:37:55 AM
Fanman lives in a fantasy world where racism doesn't exist
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:41:03 AM
What perceived notions did they have on that white kid in Fresno?

What the eff does that have to do with the incident in St. Paul? Was it the same cop?
Just asking a question. Sounds like they're scared of scary big ppl, not just black ppl. Pretty crazy, I know.

if half of all people murdered by cops are black people, that's a ridiculously disproportionate amount, do you agree?
I guess. Just depends on the situation.

Fanman lives in a fantasy world where racism doesn't exist
I think the media has had a lot to do about our current situation. Obviously racism exists. I don't know if every killing was do to racism however. We've definitely had a few cases that have blown this thing up.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 10:54:38 AM
What perceived notions did they have on that white kid in Fresno?

What the eff does that have to do with the incident in St. Paul? Was it the same cop?
Just asking a question. Sounds like they're scared of scary big ppl, not just black ppl. Pretty crazy, I know.

Well if you're "just asking a question" the answer is, how in the eff am I supposed to know? I don't have video of the cop in Fresno yelling at the significant other of the person he just murdered.

I have "just a question" for you. Why do you feel the need to turn this into a tit for tat? Do you think white people are systematically mistreated and the only thing to do to make it right is to show all of the white people killed by cops too?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 11:03:05 AM
I think #BLM is blown way over the top. It's not just black ppl that are being killed, it's every rough ridin' race, and everything is turning into a race issue now. Honestly, I think there's just as many black racists these days, as there are white. #BLM are definitely the loudest group about these issues however.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2016, 11:05:17 AM
This checks out on gE, 100% of the black poster is racist where only the trump supporters are racist on the white side
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 08, 2016, 11:08:16 AM
I think #BLM is blown way over the top. It's not just black ppl that are being killed, it's every rough ridin' race, and everything is turning into a race issue now. Honestly, I think there's just as many black racists these days, as there are white. #BLM are definitely the loudest group about these issues however.

wacks, stop.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: chum1 on July 08, 2016, 11:14:14 AM
This is either reverse racism or a false flag. Or BOTH.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 11:20:05 AM
I think #BLM is blown way over the top. It's not just black ppl that are being killed, it's every rough ridin' race, and everything is turning into a race issue now. Honestly, I think there's just as many black racists these days, as there are white. #BLM are definitely the loudest group about these issues however.

You're either really racist or really stupid, like to the point of nearly being diagnosed with some type of disorder stupid. Tell me which you are, I truly don't know.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 11:20:49 AM
I think #BLM is blown way over the top. It's not just black ppl that are being killed, it's every rough ridin' race, and everything is turning into a race issue now. Honestly, I think there's just as many black racists these days, as there are white. #BLM are definitely the loudest group about these issues however.

You're either really racist or really stupid, like to the point of nearly being diagnosed with some type of disorder stupid. Tell me which you are, I truly don't know.
You're kind of a POS, but whatever.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 11:21:42 AM
I guess I'm really racist and really rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) tho. eff having different opinions from the sheep.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 11:31:03 AM
I think #BLM is blown way over the top. It's not just black ppl that are being killed, it's every rough ridin' race, and everything is turning into a race issue now. Honestly, I think there's just as many black racists these days, as there are white. #BLM are definitely the loudest group about these issues however.

If you honestly don't know why I would find this personally offensive then I guess we have our answer. Just a pro tip, you should spend less time talking and more time listening. Its not everyone else's fault that you are continually getting into beefs because of stupid crap you say. Turn that finger into a thumb, wacky.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on July 08, 2016, 11:33:41 AM
I think #BLM is blown way over the top. It's not just black ppl that are being killed, it's every rough ridin' race, and everything is turning into a race issue now. Honestly, I think there's just as many black racists these days, as there are white. #BLM are definitely the loudest group about these issues however.

You're either really racist or really stupid, like to the point of nearly being diagnosed with some type of disorder stupid. Tell me which you are, I truly don't know.


a little bit of both, according to wacky


I will admit I'm a little bit racist


(http://www.worldmag.com/media/images/content/scouts.jpg)

Confirmed. Small brain.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 11:38:47 AM
You can't just drop the little bit racist comment, without the context. Jesus, you had to do some searching for those two. Take it to the gE is affecting your life thread, mocat.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 11:39:47 AM

I will admit I'm a little bit racist



I'm sure this is the fault of all of those #BLM people, we made him this way.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 08, 2016, 11:40:41 AM
If anything, police don't shoot enough thugs.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 11:41:18 AM

I will admit I'm a little bit racist



I'm sure this is the fault of all of those #BLM people, we made him this way.
It was being held at gun point, but yeah, sorry if i'm a little more cautious downtown at night now.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ChiComCat on July 08, 2016, 11:41:47 AM
In an effort to educate and not yell:

The reason the BLM supporters get mad when people try to say All Lives Matter is that the killings are significantly more likely to happen to black people.  Nobody is saying that some shitty cops don't shoot white people too, but that the problem is disproportionately affecting the black community.  By saying All Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter, people invalidate the black community's experiences and fears of police brutality.  In addition, the BLM movement feels cops in a number of these situations aren't being held accountable.

The kid you talked about in Fresno was killed by a shitty cop but that is one example in however long compared to two black people killed in about 24 hours.  It will be interesting to see if the consequences vary for the Fresno cops vs the other officers.  This part is similar to Trayvon case when dumb people on FB would post that some black kids killed a white kid.  The crime happens both ways but the majority of the outrage is that GZ was able to walk free while the black kids were properly held accountable.  If a black neighborhood watch guy disobeyed direction from dispatch and killed GZ would he have walked free?

Do you think the problem doesn't happen disproportionately to black people?  If you acted as some of the black people who were killed, do you think you would've been shot?  Maybe a time or two the cop was poorly trained or a POS and bound to kill someone of any race eventually.  I do not think you can realistically believe that all of these killings would've happened exactly the same if the victim was white.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 11:42:21 AM
So racist, that two african american males were in my wedding. The horror of my racism is off the charts!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: OK_Cat on July 08, 2016, 11:45:36 AM
So racist, that two african american males were in my wedding. The horror of my racism is off the charts!

'I'm not racist, I have 2 black friends!'
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 11:46:24 AM
In an effort to educate and not yell:

The reason the BLM supporters get mad when people try to say All Lives Matter is that the killings are significantly more likely to happen to black people.  Nobody is saying that some shitty cops don't shoot white people too, but that the problem is disproportionately affecting the black community.  By saying All Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter, people invalidate the black community's experiences and fears of police brutality.  In addition, the BLM movement feels cops in a number of these situations aren't being held accountable.

The kid you talked about in Fresno was killed by a shitty cop but that is one example in however long compared to two black people killed in about 24 hours.  It will be interesting to see if the consequences vary for the Fresno cops vs the other officers.  This part is similar to Trayvon case when dumb people on FB would post that some black kids killed a white kid.  The crime happens both ways but the majority of the outrage is that GZ was able to walk free while the black kids were properly held accountable.  If a black neighborhood watch guy disobeyed direction from dispatch and killed GZ would he have walked free?

Do you think the problem doesn't happen disproportionately to black people?  If you acted as some of the black people who were killed, do you think you would've been shot?  Maybe a time or two the cop was poorly trained or a POS and bound to kill someone of any race eventually.  I do not think you can realistically believe that all of these killings would've happened exactly the same if the victim was white.
This was well written and thought out. I obviously know there's a difference, and that racism exists in a lot of these cases. I've seen it myself on spring break. When my friend got pulled over for speeding, the rough ridin' cop had his gun out and came to the passenger door, and told him to put his hands on the wheel. He was 15 over and that was their approach.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 11:47:03 AM
So racist, that two african american males were in my wedding. The horror of my racism is off the charts!

'I'm not racist, I have 2 black friends!'
I knew this was coming and it's rough ridin' stupid.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 08, 2016, 11:48:34 AM
So racist, that two african american males were in my wedding. The horror of my racism is off the charts!

aside from OK_Cat, no one has lumped you in with the KKK. we do, however, wish you would take a few steps back and think more critically about the issues at hand (i.e. look at the issue from another viewpoint other than yours).
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 11:50:32 AM
I'm trying. I'll tap out.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on July 08, 2016, 01:05:56 PM
So racist, that two african american males were in my wedding. The horror of my racism is off the charts!

aside from OK_Cat, no one has lumped you in with the KKK. we do, however, wish you would take a few steps back and think more critically about the issues at hand (i.e. look at the issue from another viewpoint other than yours).

This is good advice for everyone on both sides of the issue.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 08, 2016, 01:34:53 PM
If you accept the premise that all cops are racist white men, conspiring to shoot as many little black boys as possible, the BLM thing is easy to sympathize with. But, of course, that would make you an ignorant Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

No particular race is more likely to be killed by a cop than another. There are tens of millions of  civilian police interactions every month. A black and a white guy each have less than a .001% of being killed in those interactions.

I would imagine the demographics of the people killed generally aligns with the demographics of the people incarcerated for committing violent crimes.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 08, 2016, 01:35:23 PM
So racist, that two african american males were in my wedding. The horror of my racism is off the charts!

aside from OK_Cat, no one has lumped you in with the KKK. we do, however, wish you would take a few steps back and think more critically about the issues at hand (i.e. look at the issue from another viewpoint other than yours).

This is good advice for everyone on both sides of the issue.

thanks for your support, john dougie.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 01:37:08 PM
So racist, that two african american males were in my wedding. The horror of my racism is off the charts!

aside from OK_Cat, no one has lumped you in with the KKK. we do, however, wish you would take a few steps back and think more critically about the issues at hand (i.e. look at the issue from another viewpoint other than yours).

This is good advice for everyone on both sides of the issue.

Are you speaking about someone specifically? Message boards work when people reply directly instead of posing nebulous, nondescript critiques.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 01:47:06 PM
If you accept the premise that all cops are racist white men, conspiring to shoot as many little black boys as possible, the BLM thing is easy to sympathize with. But, of course, that would make you an ignorant Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Possibly the strawiest of strawman in the history of strawmen

No particular race is more likely to be killed by a cop than another.

Not statistically true at all but I realise that numbers are a liberal conspiracy.

I would imagine the demographics of the people killed generally aligns with the demographics of the people incarcerated for committing violent crimes.
"I would imagine," lol. Even if this were true last I checked in America criminals are entitled to due process when accused of a crime.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 08, 2016, 01:49:43 PM
MIR, you are a sociopath.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 08, 2016, 01:53:19 PM
If you accept the premise that all cops are racist white men, conspiring to shoot as many little black boys as possible, the BLM thing is easy to sympathize with. But, of course, that would make you an ignorant Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Possibly the strawiest of strawman in the history of strawmen

No particular race is more likely to be killed by a cop than another.

Not statistically true at all but I realise that numbers are a liberal conspiracy.

I would imagine the demographics of the people killed generally aligns with the demographics of the people incarcerated for committing violent crimes.
"I would imagine," lol. Even if this were true last I checked in America criminals are entitled to due process when accused of a crime.

1. I'm sorry you don't appreciate hyperbole.
2. More whites have been killed than anyone, statistically. Regardless, the chance of being killed is so rough ridin' remote it is statistically insignificant. An anecdote.
3. You don't think people who commit violent crimes are likely to engage police in violence? Interesting perspective, less interesting sociopathic response.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 01:59:23 PM
If you accept the premise that all cops are racist white men, conspiring to shoot as many little black boys as possible, the BLM thing is easy to sympathize with. But, of course, that would make you an ignorant Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Possibly the strawiest of strawman in the history of strawmen

No particular race is more likely to be killed by a cop than another.

Not statistically true at all but I realise that numbers are a liberal conspiracy.

I would imagine the demographics of the people killed generally aligns with the demographics of the people incarcerated for committing violent crimes.
"I would imagine," lol. Even if this were true last I checked in America criminals are entitled to due process when accused of a crime.

1. I'm sorry you don't appreciate hyperbole.
2. More whites have been killed than anyone, statistically. Regardless, the chance of being killed is so rough ridin' remote it is statistically insignificant. An anecdote.
3. You don't think people who commit violent crimes are likely to engage police in violence? Interesting perspective, less interesting sociopathic response.

Hyperbole? You? NOOOOO WAY? Hyperbole, consistently factually inaccurate; potato potahtoe.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 08, 2016, 02:01:18 PM
More sociopathy
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 02:09:35 PM
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/l41lZxzroU33typuU/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 08, 2016, 03:33:10 PM
With reference to BLM, there are two main groups of individuals involved.  One is an organized, trained, group of ppl hired for a specific job and supervised to do that job.  The other group is a general group of society tied to each other by nothing more than skin color and culture.  I don't care who's side anyone falls on, the only reasonable solution is for the former to make necessary changes.  To expect the latter to make the changes would alter their rights to something less than other groups of society. 

I mean, there may be multiple issues at play here, and ppl may disagree as to what they all are, but the one that is indisputable is that cops need more training and their protocols need to be reviewed and alter accordingly.  That may not solve all the problem, but it's known and something we can address right now.  Why not do that why we are trying to unwind any other additional issues there may be?

To not proceed with that is to either close your eyes and say what's happening is acceptable or to admit that this is a money issue and that it's not monetarily worth trying to fix. Both are crap human being positions, fwiw.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 08, 2016, 03:33:16 PM
Per WP:

Of 990 cop shootings in 2015 494 killed white people, 258 killed black people, 178 killed Hispanics.   So, white death by cop outpaced both black and Hispanic'/Latino combined in 2015 (yes I'm aware of the population %). 

The population of the U.S. in 2015:  approx 320 million, that works to an approximate 0.00000309375% chance of death by cop.







Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 08, 2016, 03:37:49 PM
Guys, better training would benefit all those categories.  We don't need to play for the win when it comes to getting shot by cops


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 08, 2016, 03:41:32 PM
There is a point where more training might yield diminishing returns or even net negative results.  The goal should be to reduce it to a minimum, but also realize that there is a minimum and nothing we can reasonably do is going to change that.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2016, 03:42:32 PM
Well let's attempt the minimum then
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on July 08, 2016, 03:43:13 PM
Per WP:

Of 990 cop shootings in 2015 494 killed white people, 258 killed black people, 178 killed Hispanics.
60% of violent criminals are white (incl Hispanic) and 36% are black (incl Hispanic) according to DOJ. Unclear how exactly Hispanic is broken up, but those numbers do correlate pretty well
www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 08, 2016, 03:44:09 PM
I think there are still changes to be made.  Did you see how scared crap less that cop was in Minnesota?  I mean, that guy needs to be trained more.

How about the 911 call in Louisiana?   The call was about a waived gun, they show up and tackle a guy even though no gun is being waived, rather than one cop sitting on him while the other grabs the caller to confirm identity?  Again, some training or protocol changes could benefit that sitch. No?

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 03:46:15 PM
With reference to BLM, there are two main groups of individuals involved.  One is an organized, trained, group of ppl hired for a specific job and supervised to do that job.  The other group is a general group of society tied to each other by nothing more than skin color and culture.  I don't care who's side anyone falls on, the only reasonable solution is for the former to make necessary changes.  To expect the latter to make the changes would alter their rights to something less than other groups of society. 

I mean, there may be multiple issues at play here, and ppl may disagree as to what they all are, but the one that is indisputable is that cops need more training and their protocols need to be reviewed and alter accordingly.  That may not solve all the problem, but it's known and something we can address right now.  Why not do that why we are trying to unwind any other additional issues there may be?

To not proceed with that is to either close your eyes and say what's happening is acceptable or to admit that this is a money issue and that it's not monetarily worth trying to fix. Both are crap human being positions, fwiw.

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Training isn't as important as proper vetting and being faced with actual repercussions when egregious errors cost innocent people their lives.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on July 08, 2016, 03:49:56 PM
I think there are still changes to be made.  Did you see how scared crap less that cop was in Minnesota?  I mean, that guy needs to be trained more.

How about the 911 call in Louisiana?   The call was about a waived gun, they show up and tackle a guy even though no gun is being waived, rather than one cop sitting on him while the other grabs the caller to confirm identity?  Again, some training or protocol changes could benefit that sitch. No?

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Honestly I don't think more training is going to help the Minnesota cop guy.  He just doesn't seem to be cut out for it.  He needs to either find a new career, or be a cop with a lesser role and no gun.  He can be one of those cops in the TV cop shows that just sits at a typewriter and types reports all day.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 08, 2016, 03:54:45 PM
With reference to BLM, there are two main groups of individuals involved.  One is an organized, trained, group of ppl hired for a specific job and supervised to do that job.  The other group is a general group of society tied to each other by nothing more than skin color and culture.  I don't care who's side anyone falls on, the only reasonable solution is for the former to make necessary changes.  To expect the latter to make the changes would alter their rights to something less than other groups of society. 

I mean, there may be multiple issues at play here, and ppl may disagree as to what they all are, but the one that is indisputable is that cops need more training and their protocols need to be reviewed and alter accordingly.  That may not solve all the problem, but it's known and something we can address right now.  Why not do that why we are trying to unwind any other additional issues there may be?

To not proceed with that is to either close your eyes and say what's happening is acceptable or to admit that this is a money issue and that it's not monetarily worth trying to fix. Both are crap human being positions, fwiw.

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Training isn't as important as proper vetting and being faced with actual repercussions when egregious errors cost innocent people their lives.

More rigorous training would vet out applicants.  Of course those committing errors should be punished. 

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
I think there are still changes to be made.  Did you see how scared crap less that cop was in Minnesota?  I mean, that guy needs to be trained more.

How about the 911 call in Louisiana?   The call was about a waived gun, they show up and tackle a guy even though no gun is being waived, rather than one cop sitting on him while the other grabs the caller to confirm identity?  Again, some training or protocol changes could benefit that sitch. No?

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Honestly I don't think more training is going to help the Minnesota cop guy.  He just doesn't seem to be cut out for it.  He needs to either find a new career, or be a cop with a lesser role and no gun.  He can be one of those cops in the TV cop shows that just sits at a typewriter and types reports all day.
He's going to prison, so I don't think he'll have to worry about it anymore.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 08, 2016, 03:57:33 PM
Well see.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 03:59:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2h7rHgBzTc

That women is in prison now.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 04:02:20 PM
They were all awful acts this week, but that Minnesota killing is by far thee worst!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2016, 04:02:56 PM
Good on Newt

Quote from:  newt
It took me a long time, and a number of people talking to me through the years, to get a sense of this: If you are a normal white American, the truth is you don't understand being black in America and you instinctively under-estimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk. It is more dangerous to be black in America. It is more dangerous in that they are substantially more likely to end up in a situation where the police don't respect you and you could easily get killed. And sometimes for whites it's difficult to appreciate how real that is and how it's an everyday danger.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 08, 2016, 04:13:16 PM
I absolutely love all the fb stories out there where the guy guys are explaining that all you have to do when pulled over while carrying is turn your gun over to the govt (cops) to avoid being shot, yet 1. The guy in Minnesota was shot before he could, and 2. Most of those gun guys have guns because they think the govt is coming for them.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 08, 2016, 04:41:20 PM
I absolutely love all the fb stories out there where the guy guys are explaining that all you have to do when pulled over while carrying is turn your gun over to the govt (cops) to avoid being shot, yet 1. The guy in Minnesota was shot before he could, and 2. Most of those gun guys have guns because they think the govt is coming for them.

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This is a pretty ignorant statement.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on July 08, 2016, 05:00:13 PM
I don't necessarily have a problem with #BLM, but to me this whole deal isn't about blatant racism or even poor training (though I think it would help). It's a trust issue. Situations escalate quickly when each side thinks the other is out to get them. Distrust causes innocent people to act defensive and on edge which results in police officers acting more aggressively to protect themselves. I don't think BLM does anything to help that. It is important to keep police accountable, but the more people hear that cops are out to murder black people the less likely anything good will come of it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 08, 2016, 05:31:31 PM
I don't necessarily have a problem with #BLM, but to me this whole deal isn't about blatant racism or even poor training (though I think it would help). It's a trust issue. Situations escalate quickly when each side thinks the other is out to get them. Distrust causes innocent people to act defensive and on edge which results in police officers acting more aggressively to protect themselves. I don't think BLM does anything to help that. It is important to keep police accountable, but the more people hear that cops are out to murder black people the less likely anything good will come of it.

That's where the community outreach section of a police department is supposed to reach out to the leadership of the local segment of the Black Lives Matter movement and begin to rebuild that trust. We've back slid from a community based policing approach to what resembles a broken windows approach. There's data to show which method brings about that best results, it's not the latter.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: XocolateThundarr on July 08, 2016, 05:38:59 PM
I absolutely love all the fb stories out there where the guy guys are explaining that all you have to do when pulled over while carrying is turn your gun over to the govt (cops) to avoid being shot, yet 1. The guy in Minnesota was shot before he could, and 2. Most of those gun guys have guns because they think the govt is coming for them.

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When I get pulled over, I grab my ID and CCL and in one hand and place both of my hands in sight on the edge of my window so the guy can see them.  When he approaches my window, I explain that I have a CCL and I have a weapon in my console.  I have never been asked to surrender the weapon and most generally they don't even say much about it.  That is in Kansas though.....
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 08, 2016, 06:04:52 PM
(https://i.sli.mg/MVYpnq.png)

Those non Hispanic whites are some drunken idiots!

Asians is predictable. Prostitution and gambling.

Blacks...very predictable
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on July 08, 2016, 06:30:19 PM
I don't necessarily have a problem with #BLM, but to me this whole deal isn't about blatant racism or even poor training (though I think it would help). It's a trust issue. Situations escalate quickly when each side thinks the other is out to get them. Distrust causes innocent people to act defensive and on edge which results in police officers acting more aggressively to protect themselves. I don't think BLM does anything to help that. It is important to keep police accountable, but the more people hear that cops are out to murder black people the less likely anything good will come of it.

That's where the community outreach section of a police department is supposed to reach out to the leadership of the local segment of the Black Lives Matter movement and begin to rebuild that trust. We've back slid from a community based policing approach to what resembles a broken windows approach. There's data to show which method brings about that best results, it's not the latter.

But the problem is that national movements like BLM detract from a community based approach. Dallas has had one of the lowest instances of violence against police among all major cities, and there were no issues from the actual BLM protest. Still, you get someone willing to kill themselves in order to kill a few cops in that setting just because of outrage over stuff that happened hundreds of miles away.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2016, 06:52:53 PM
I don't necessarily have a problem with #BLM, but to me this whole deal isn't about blatant racism or even poor training (though I think it would help). It's a trust issue. Situations escalate quickly when each side thinks the other is out to get them. Distrust causes innocent people to act defensive and on edge which results in police officers acting more aggressively to protect themselves. I don't think BLM does anything to help that. It is important to keep police accountable, but the more people hear that cops are out to murder black people the less likely anything good will come of it.

That's where the community outreach section of a police department is supposed to reach out to the leadership of the local segment of the Black Lives Matter movement and begin to rebuild that trust. We've back slid from a community based policing approach to what resembles a broken windows approach. There's data to show which method brings about that best results, it's not the latter.

But the problem is that national movements like BLM detract from a community based approach. Dallas has had one of the lowest instances of violence against police among all major cities, and there were no issues from the actual BLM protest. Still, you get someone willing to kill themselves in order to kill a few cops in that setting just because of outrage over stuff that happened hundreds of miles away.

yeah you totally missed the point
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 08, 2016, 10:09:16 PM
To all the delusional weirdo blm people:

Cops aren't driving around tring to find new and interesting ways to arrest or kill black people. They do not give a crap. They're thinking about lunch, or golf after work.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on July 08, 2016, 10:10:50 PM
Ok
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 08, 2016, 10:11:54 PM
Per WP:

Of 990 cop shootings in 2015 494 killed white people, 258 killed black people, 178 killed Hispanics.
60% of violent criminals are white (incl Hispanic) and 36% are black (incl Hispanic) according to DOJ. Unclear how exactly Hispanic is broken up, but those numbers do correlate pretty well
www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

Duh. Only delusional conspiracy weirdos think cops give a shot what color the bad person criminal is
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 09, 2016, 02:03:24 AM
I don't necessarily have a problem with #BLM, but to me this whole deal isn't about blatant racism or even poor training (though I think it would help). It's a trust issue. Situations escalate quickly when each side thinks the other is out to get them. Distrust causes innocent people to act defensive and on edge which results in police officers acting more aggressively to protect themselves. I don't think BLM does anything to help that. It is important to keep police accountable, but the more people hear that cops are out to murder black people the less likely anything good will come of it.

That's where the community outreach section of a police department is supposed to reach out to the leadership of the local segment of the Black Lives Matter movement and begin to rebuild that trust. We've back slid from a community based policing approach to what resembles a broken windows approach. There's data to show which method brings about that best results, it's not the latter.

But the problem is that national movements like BLM detract from a community based approach. Dallas has had one of the lowest instances of violence against police among all major cities, and there were no issues from the actual BLM protest. Still, you get someone willing to kill themselves in order to kill a few cops in that setting just because of outrage over stuff that happened hundreds of miles away.

What is your point?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 09, 2016, 10:13:15 AM
 
To all the delusional weirdo blm people:

Cops aren't driving around tring to find new and interesting ways to arrest or kill black people. They do not give a crap. They're thinking about lunch, or golf after work.

And how mean other kids were to them in HS
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 09, 2016, 11:42:15 AM
Where is the instinct in these guys?   I know you have to be prepared for anything and part of that preparation I want to believe is not shoot first and ask questions later.    MOST people are by and large law abiding citizens, and law abiding citizens often  get nervous when being stopped by the police because they're simply not used to being in those situations and are nervous because they're not the kind of people who even want to look like they're intentionally doing something wrong.   

Not one damn thing about these last two incidents were even remotely close to a situation that should have resulted in anyone being harmed.   It's just cops that were IMO looking for trouble.

Absolutely. :applause:
Yeah I cheered
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 09, 2016, 11:47:16 AM
This checks out on gE, 100% of the black poster is racist where only the trump supporters are racist on the white side
I laughed so hard
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 09, 2016, 01:11:56 PM
(https://i.sli.mg/dytd4g.jpg)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 09, 2016, 01:18:06 PM
I'd love to fight you
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 09, 2016, 01:27:02 PM
Oh look, another violent liberal, triggered over a family picture of other violent liberals. :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 09, 2016, 01:34:55 PM
Assumptions. And I'd fight you because I dislike your posting in general
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2016, 01:36:40 PM
(https://i.sli.mg/dytd4g.jpg)

That's not Alton Sterling  :facepalm:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 09, 2016, 01:49:16 PM
Inconclusive, we'll call it a draw.

Point still stands.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2016, 01:50:15 PM
Inconclusive, we'll call it a draw.

Point still stands.

No, you're wrong on all accounts.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2016, 01:51:32 PM
(https://i.sli.mg/dytd4g.jpg)

That's not Alton Sterling  :facepalm:

Meh, seen one jigaboo seen them all
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 09, 2016, 01:56:13 PM
Inconclusive, we'll call it a draw.

Point still stands.
No. You'd not be allowed to say what you post to my face
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 09, 2016, 02:02:05 PM
Inconclusive, we'll call it a draw.

Point still stands.

No, you're wrong on all accounts.

Links for both accounts?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2016, 02:08:48 PM
Inconclusive, we'll call it a draw.

Point still stands.

No, you're wrong on all accounts.

Links for both accounts?

Not the man in the picture you posted and wasn't breaking any laws when he was shot in cold blood.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160706112156-01-alton-sterling-exlarge-169.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/baton-rouge-alton-sterling-shooting/

And you probably shouldn't push prejudice propaganda.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 09, 2016, 02:16:33 PM
It can very well be him, very well cannot. Inconclusive.

Was he legally carrying a gun? Anyways if you go back my point is that if anything thugs aren't shot enough.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2016, 02:17:26 PM
It can very well be him, very well cannot. Inconclusive.

Was he legally carrying a gun? Anyways if you go back my point is that if anything thugs aren't shot enough.

Thank you. Good bye.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 09, 2016, 02:35:43 PM
Lol

"I'll prove it's not him by posting a picture that kind of looks like him"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on July 09, 2016, 03:07:50 PM
Lawyer for.Minnesota cop who shot the black guy was.because of the presence of the gun and he thought the driver was reaching for it.  His girlfriend video covers the aftermath and just gives her viewpoint.  I watched it for the first time.  The shot guy has been stopped 32 times since.2012.  This cop is in deep.manure, but we.don't know everything.  Remember the outcome of the Baltimore patty wagon ride trial.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 09, 2016, 07:25:41 PM
Neither one were model citizens, that doesn't mean they had to get shot. 

The kid out in Fresno apparently didn't come to heel fast enough for the cops, so he had to be shot as well. 



Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2016, 09:03:21 PM
Neither one were model citizens, that doesn't mean they had to get shot. 

The kid out in Fresno apparently didn't come to heel fast enough for the cops, so he had to be shot as well.

Glad we found a middle ground
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 10, 2016, 02:39:54 AM
No real surprise here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/09/the-nras-internal-revolt-over-philando-castile/?utm_term=.26b54c7f35ed
Of course the NRA's supposed unwavering support of people utilizing their second amendment rights has a pigment sliding scale.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 10, 2016, 03:10:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2h7rHgBzTc

That women is in prison now.

What? This is the description of the video
Quote
Officer Lisa Mearkle shot the unarmed David Kassick in February of 2015. Mearkle was charged with murder and acquitted by jury on November 5th, 2015. This is the court released video from Mearkle's taser.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on July 10, 2016, 08:21:53 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160710/f648538de788ad70f6d6875240a5494b.png)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 10, 2016, 10:11:28 AM
No real surprise here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/09/the-nras-internal-revolt-over-philando-castile/?utm_term=.26b54c7f35ed
Of course the NRA's supposed unwavering support of people utilizing their second amendment rights has a pigment sliding scale.

Yeah. I was wondering how exactly they'd find a way to not come and support Philando Castille in the same way that they would a white gun-tote'r.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
For someone who repeatedly [and incorrectly] accuses people of using strawman, the sociopathic tendency to place blame at the feet of the nra at every corner is awfully hypocritical.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 12:43:48 PM
You know what a find super racist and disturbing, the failure of the aclu to stand up for the police officer's due process rights.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 12:46:22 PM
Another thing, the rough ridin' fraternal order of police (labor union) is going to pay for this police officer's legal dedense. What a bunch of rough ridin' racists-typical union crap though, ought to close them all down.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: bucket on July 10, 2016, 01:18:18 PM
You know what a find super racist and disturbing

 :confused:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 10, 2016, 03:39:20 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Yard Dog on July 11, 2016, 08:09:31 AM
Activist critical of police undergoes use of force scenarios

https://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 11, 2016, 09:19:18 AM
Baton Rouge Police again used super good judgment yesterday.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on July 11, 2016, 09:23:33 AM
I don't necessarily have a problem with #BLM, but to me this whole deal isn't about blatant racism or even poor training (though I think it would help). It's a trust issue. Situations escalate quickly when each side thinks the other is out to get them. Distrust causes innocent people to act defensive and on edge which results in police officers acting more aggressively to protect themselves. I don't think BLM does anything to help that. It is important to keep police accountable, but the more people hear that cops are out to murder black people the less likely anything good will come of it.

That's where the community outreach section of a police department is supposed to reach out to the leadership of the local segment of the Black Lives Matter movement and begin to rebuild that trust. We've back slid from a community based policing approach to what resembles a broken windows approach. There's data to show which method brings about that best results, it's not the latter.

But the problem is that national movements like BLM detract from a community based approach. Dallas has had one of the lowest instances of violence against police among all major cities, and there were no issues from the actual BLM protest. Still, you get someone willing to kill themselves in order to kill a few cops in that setting just because of outrage over stuff that happened hundreds of miles away.

What is your point?

My point is that the BLM movement is not productive to the cause. So far it seems to have just fueled a general feeling of anger and resentment toward police officers in general based on some isolated (though egregious) incidents in other jurisdictions. Not a fan of #Alllivesmatter for similar reasons.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 09:45:43 AM
https://www.facebook.com/wearVERTX/videos/10154280537229424/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2016, 09:46:35 AM
Baton Rouge Police again used super good judgment yesterday.

This was rough ridin' insane
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 09:50:52 AM
Umm,., what happened idiots?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2016, 09:51:36 AM
Do some research WackyCat08
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on July 11, 2016, 09:52:38 AM
Do some research WackyCat08

msm lies, idiot
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 09:53:07 AM
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/videos/881490075274451/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 09:54:33 AM
Do some research WackyCat08
I tried. All I saw was a pic of the cops arresting a protester.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 11, 2016, 09:56:30 AM
Umm,., what happened idiots?

People got arrested for standing in the middle of the highway.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 09:56:58 AM
What a bunch of dummies (protesters).
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2016, 10:03:50 AM
You know that part in battle of the bastards where all the shield dudes are marching forward, it looked like that except it was riot police

It was rough ridin'

Insane
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 10:07:02 AM
I can't imagine wasting a Sunday to protest something, that's going through faint ears anyways. Sounds miserable.  :Yuck:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 11, 2016, 10:09:32 AM
I can't imagine wasting a Sunday to protest something, that's going through faint ears anyways. Sounds miserable.  :Yuck:

Can't imagine that either
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2016, 10:23:08 AM
I can't imagine the state police treating my neighborhood like Iraq
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 10:24:39 AM
Probably because your neighborhood is blocking a major highway.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2016, 10:28:08 AM
https://twitter.com/lizzkatherine_/status/752304872356057089

Major highways look way different in the south
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 10:33:50 AM
Do some research, lib. That wasn't the only area, ppl were being obnoxious, idiots.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: everyone shut up on July 11, 2016, 10:36:35 AM
is that private property?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on July 11, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
the #1 rule of effective protest is to not inconvenience anyone or be noticed
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 10:37:59 AM
I wouldn't allow POS screaming at me about rough ridin' non-sense either. Good for them.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 10:39:44 AM
The thing about protests tho, is there's about 20% of the ppl their that want to send a message and about 80% of the ppl are reckless dipshits, trying to create havoc. Sad, really.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: AbeFroman on July 11, 2016, 10:41:24 AM
The thing about protests tho, is there's about 20% of the ppl their that want to send a message and about 80% of the ppl are reckless dipshits, trying to create havoc. Sad, really.

Great scientific analysis
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2016, 10:41:46 AM
the #1 rule of effective protest is to not inconvenience anyone or be noticed

Everyone gets a trophy generation smdh
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 10:42:51 AM
The thing about protests tho, is there's about 20% of the ppl their that want to send a message and about 80% of the ppl are reckless dipshits, trying to create havoc. Sad, really.

Great scientific analysis
#science
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 11, 2016, 10:44:10 AM
the #1 rule of effective protest is to not inconvenience anyone or be noticed

Yes.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_NRwMjhWeVPc/S7ze7CfC9SI/AAAAAAAAB_E/WrloFqdVKO4/image_thumb%5B6%5D.png?imgmax=800)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 10:50:29 AM
It's pretty amazing how far you'll get in life, without resisting arrest and not rioting like an idiot. Feels pretty good.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on July 11, 2016, 10:58:02 AM
It's pretty amazing how far you'll get in life, without resisting arrest and not rioting like an idiot. Feels pretty good.

yeah, they need to act more like us white christian males!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 11, 2016, 10:59:53 AM
wacky gets it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 11:00:41 AM
It's pretty amazing how far you'll get in life, without resisting arrest and not rioting like an idiot. Feels pretty good.

yeah, they need to act more like us white christian males!
There's a lot of white idiot males in that video to be fair.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 11, 2016, 11:08:14 AM
It's pretty amazing how far you'll get in life, without resisting arrest and not rioting like an idiot. Feels pretty good.

yeah, they need to act more like us white christian males!

FINALLY
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 11, 2016, 11:09:52 AM
I wouldn't allow POS screaming at me about rough ridin' non-sense either. Good for them.

It's almost if they think they can speak and it is a freedom. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on July 11, 2016, 11:13:38 AM
some of those cops had night-stick size rodneys at the prospect of beating up some folks in a yard, wow
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 11:41:03 AM
Amen!

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/752533079395295236
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 11, 2016, 12:34:02 PM
Great post by black cop destroying everything blm stands for.

Facts  :curse:

Quote
I have come to realize something that is still hard for me to understand to this day. The following may be a shock to some coming from an African American, but the mere fact that it may be shocking to some is prima facie evidence of the sad state of affairs that we are in as Humans.

I used to be so torn inside growing up. Here I am, a young African-American born and raised in Brooklyn, NY wanting to be a cop. I watched and lived through the crime that took place in the hood. My own black people killing others over nothing. Crack heads and heroin addicts lined the lobby of my building as I shuffled around them to make my way to our 1 bedroom apartment with 6 of us living inside. I used to be woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of gun fire, only to look outside and see that it was 2 African Americans shooting at each other.

It never sat right with me. I wanted to help my community and stop watching the blood of African Americans spilled on the street at the hands of a fellow black man. I became a cop because black lives in my community, along with ALL lives, mattered to me, and wanted to help stop the bloodshed.

As time went by in my law enforcement career, I quickly began to realize something. I remember the countless times I stood 2 inches from a young black man, around my age, laying on his back, gasping for air as blood filled his lungs. I remember them bleeding profusely with the unforgettable smell of deoxygenated dark red blood in the air, as it leaked from the bullet holes in his body on to the hot sidewalk on a summer day. I remember the countless family members who attacked me, spit on me, cursed me out, as I put up crime scene tape to cordon off the crime scene, yelling and screaming out of pain and anger at the sight of their loved ones taking their last breath. I never took it personally, I knew they were hurting. I remember the countless times I had to order new uniforms, because the ones I had on, were bloody from the blood of another black victim…of black on black crime. I remember the countless times I got back in my patrol car, distraught after having watched another black male die in front me, having to start my preliminary report something like this:

Suspect- Black/ Male, Victim-Black /Male.

I remember the countless times I canvassed the area afterwards, and asked everyone “did you see who did it”, and the popular response from the very same family members was always, “eff the Police, I ain't no snitch, Im gonna take care of this myself". This happened every single time, every single homicide, black on black, and then my realization became clearer.

I woke up every morning, put my freshly pressed uniform on, shined my badge, functioned checked my weapon, kissed my wife and kid, and waited for my wife to say the same thing she always does before I leave, “Make sure you come back home to us”.  I always replied, “I will”, but the truth was I was never sure if I would. I almost lost my life on this job, and every call, every stop, every moment that I had this uniform on, was another possibility for me to almost lose my life again. I was a target in the very community I swore to protect, the very community I wanted to help. As a matter of fact, they hated my very presence. They called me “Uncle Tom”, and “wanna be white boy”, and I couldn’t understand why. My own fellow black men and women attacking me, wishing for my death, wishing for the death of my family. I was so confused, so torn, I couldn’t understand why my own black people would turn against me, when every time they called …I was there. Every time someone died….I was there. Every time they were going through one of the worst moments in their lives…I was there. So why was I the enemy? I dove deep into that question…Why was I the enemy? Then my realization became clearer.

I spoke to members of the community and listened to some of the complaints as to why they hated cops. I then did research on the facts. I also presented facts to these members of the community, and listened to their complaints in response. This is what I learned:
 
Complaint: Police always targeting us, they always messing with the black man.

Fact: A city where the majority of citizens are black (Baltimore for example) …will ALWAYS have a higher rate of black people getting arrested, it will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting stopped, and will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting killed, and the reason why is because a city with those characteristics will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks committing crime. The statistics will follow the same trend for Asians if you go to China, for Hispanics if you go to Puerto Rico, for whites if you go to Russia, and the list goes on. It’s called Demographics

Complaint: More black people get arrested than white boys.

Fact: Black People commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. Data from the FBI shows that Nationwide, Blacks committed 5,173 homicides in 2014, whites committed 4,367. Chicago’s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined. Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

Complaint: Blacks are the only ones getting killed by police, or they are killed more.

Fact: As of July 2016, the breakdown of the number of US Citizens killed by Police this year is, 238 White people killed, 123 Black people killed, 79 Hispanics, 69 other/or unknown race.

Fact: Black people kill more other blacks than Police do, and there are only protest and outrage when a cop kills a black man. University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012. Professor Johnson’s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.

Complaint: Well we already doing a good job of killing ourselves, we don’t need the Police to do it. Besides they should know better.
 
The more I listened, the more I realized. The more I researched, the more I realized. I would ask questions, and would only get emotional responses & inferences based on no facts at all. The more killing I saw, the more tragedy, the more savagery, the more violence, the more loss of life of a black man at the hands of another black man….the more I realized.

I haven’t slept well in the past few nights. Heartbreak weighs me down, rage flows through my veins, and tears fills my eyes. I watched my fellow officers assassinated on live television, and the images of them laying on the ground are seared into my brain forever. I couldn’t help but wonder if it had been me, a black man, a black cop, on TV, assassinated, laying on the ground dead,..would my friends and family still think black lives mattered? Would my life have mattered? Would they make t-shirts in remembrance of me? Would they go on tv and protest violence? Would they even make a Facebook post, or share a post in reference to my death?

All of my realizations came to this conclusion. Black Lives do not matter to most black people. Only the lives that make the national news matter to them. Only the lives that are taken at the hands of cops or white people, matter. The other thousands of lives lost, the other black souls that I along with every cop, have seen taken at the hands of other blacks, do not matter. Their deaths are unnoticed, accepted as the “norm”, and swept underneath the rug by the very people who claim and post “black lives matter”.  I realized that this country is full of ignorance, where an educated individual will watch the ratings-driven news media, and watch a couple YouTube video clips, and then come to the conclusion that they have all the knowledge they need to have in order to know what it feels like to have a bullet proof vest as part of your office equipment, “Stay Alive” as part of your daily to do list, and having insurance for your health insurance because of the high rate of death in your profession. They watch a couple videos and then they magically know in 2 minutes 35 seconds, how you are supposed to handle a violent encounter, which took you 6 months of Academy training, 2 – 3 months of field training, and countless years of blood, sweat, tears and broken bones experiencing violent encounters and fine tuning your execution of the Use of Force Continuum. I realized that there are even cops, COPS, duly sworn law enforcement officers, who are supposed to be decent investigators, who will publicly go on the media and call other white cops racist and KKK, based on a video clip that they watched thousands of miles away, which was filmed after the fact, based on a case where the details aren’t even known yet and the investigation hasn’t even begun. I realized that most in the African American community refuse to look at solving the bigger problem that I see and deal with every day, which is black on black crime taking hundreds of innocent black lives each year, and instead focus on the 9 questionable deaths of black men, where some were in the act of committing crimes. I realized that they value the life of a Sex Offender and Convicted Felon, [who was in the act of committing multiple felonies: felon in possession of a firearm-FELONY, brandishing and threatening a homeless man with a gun-Aggravated Assault in Florida: FELONY, who resisted officers who first tried to taze him, and WAS NOT RESTRAINED, who can be clearly seen in one of the videos raising his right shoulder, then shooting it down towards the right side of his body exactly where the firearm was located and recovered] more than the lives of the innocent cops who were assassinated in Dallas protecting the very people that hated them the most. I realized that they refuse to believe that most cops acknowledge that there are Bad cops who should have never been given a badge & gun, who are chicken crap and will shoot a cockroach if it crawls at them too fast, who never worked in the hood and may be intimidated. That most cops dread the thought of having to shoot someone, and never see the turmoil and mental anguish that a cop goes through after having to kill someone to save his own life. Instead they believe that we are all blood thirsty killers, because the media says so, even though the numbers prove otherwise. I realize that they truly feel as if the death of cops will help people realize the false narrative that Black Lives Matter, when all it will do is take their movement two steps backwards and label them domestic terrorist. I realized that some of these people, who say Black Lives Matter, are full of hate and racism. Hate for cops, because of the false narrative that more black people are targeted and killed. Racism against white people, for a tragedy that began 100’s of years ago, when most of the white people today weren’t even born yet. I realized that some in the African American community’s idea of “Justice” is the prosecution of ANY and EVERY cop or white man that kills or is believed to have killed a black man, no matter what the circumstances are. I realized the African American community refuses to look within to solve its major issues, and instead makes excuses and looks outside for solutions.  I realized that a lot of people in the African American community lead with hate, instead of love. Division instead of Unity. Turmoil and rioting, instead of Peace. I realized that they have become the very entity that they claim they are fighting against.

I realized that the very reasons I became a cop, are the very reasons my own people hate me, and now in this toxic hateful racially charged political climate, I am now more likely to die,... and it is still hard for me to understand…. to this day.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 12:39:55 PM
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/752487532311506944
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 11, 2016, 12:57:48 PM
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/XsKhT

Statistics are racist  :curse: :curse: :curse:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 11, 2016, 09:14:49 PM
I read all but the 1st page of this thread for the first time today.  Did not know about the edn thing.

Yes, it's def best to avoid all cops.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 11, 2016, 09:23:58 PM
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-union-deletes-social-media-accounts-after-backlash-from-dallas-post/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2016, 09:32:27 PM
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-union-deletes-social-media-accounts-after-backlash-from-dallas-post/

very oniony
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 11, 2016, 09:33:51 PM
http://www.clickhole.com/article/devastating-guy-knows-exactly-how-black-people-sho-4607
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 11, 2016, 09:34:40 PM
http://www.clickhole.com/article/devastating-guy-knows-exactly-how-black-people-sho-4607
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 11, 2016, 09:35:08 PM
gah
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 11, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
So we're walking back from the celebrity softball game yesterday through pioneer square approaching occidental park, which is a big public space.  A guy runs up on my buddy and they apparently know each other and are asking what they're each doing down there.  The guy is saying that as he's one of the few black guys at work, they've got him down there to undercover mingle in the protest and see what's going down but that he can't press people too much or it'd be entrapment.  I remember that my buddy has a friend who's a cop so this must be him.  Ironically, I'm undercover as a person who'd be impressed by his ruse.  So he has to go do his thing and we keep going through where this so-called protest is, but there's maybe 10 people max that are even gathered and they're just chilling with a few signs.  Meanwhile the whole block is canvassed with cops in varying amounts of tactical gear, making us feel like we were walking through a war zone. 

The "protest" didn't make the news.

Also, next time you're participating in a #BLM rally and some random black guy starts chatting you up about turning up the protest, ignore him.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on July 11, 2016, 09:50:43 PM
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/752487532311506944

this is a good article.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: treysolid on July 11, 2016, 09:55:13 PM
So we're walking back from the celebrity softball game yesterday through pioneer square approaching occidental park, which is a big public space.  A guy runs up on my buddy and they apparently know each other and are asking what they're each doing down there.  The guy is saying that as he's one of the few black guys at work, they've got him down there to undercover mingle in the protest and see what's going down but that he can't press people too much or it'd be entrapment.  I remember that my buddy has a friend who's a cop so this must be him.  Ironically, I'm undercover as a person who'd be impressed by his ruse.  So he has to go do his thing and we keep going through where this so-called protest is, but there's maybe 10 people max that are even gathered and they're just chilling with a few signs.  Meanwhile the whole block is canvassed with cops in varying amounts of tactical gear, making us feel like we were walking through a war zone. 

The "protest" didn't make the news.

Also, next time you're participating in a #BLM rally and some random black guy starts chatting you up about turning up the protest, ignore him.

black-on-black entrapment. sickening.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 11, 2016, 10:04:14 PM
The locker room, boys-will-be-boys mentality that we decry in sports (Baylor football for example) exists in very similar ways in cop shops.  So much of their methodologies are seemingly driven by proving they have bigger metaphorical dicks or actual assault vehicles than the public.

I've been in training with cops where tactical missions are played out, and the way they get hyped up for these things even had me acting a fool with my toy gun towards the (#acting) perps.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 11, 2016, 11:06:24 PM
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-union-deletes-social-media-accounts-after-backlash-from-dallas-post/

very oniony

http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/16999653/minneapolis-police-leave-security-posts-minnesota-lynx-game-protest-shirts
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on July 11, 2016, 11:43:36 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on July 11, 2016, 11:44:59 PM
millennial cops, smdh.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2016, 09:33:59 PM
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-union-deletes-social-media-accounts-after-backlash-from-dallas-post/

very oniony

http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/16999653/minneapolis-police-leave-security-posts-minnesota-lynx-game-protest-shirts

My God, what huge pussies. That wasn't even critical of cops, great look into the mindset of these babies. Cops are far and away #1 on the list of professions who need validation. They need to be loved more than soldiers, farmers, teachers, and nurses combined.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 09:35:16 PM
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on July 12, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
So true!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 09:39:08 PM
Reminds me of the Wisconsin legislature, who fled the jurisdiction to usurp democracy. aka, MIR's heros in hypocrisy delusional sociopath land.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 09:43:53 PM
Nobody watches women's sports is the sad thing. No one even noticed.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
Reminds me of the Wisconsin legislature, who fled the jurisdiction to usurp democracy. aka, MIR's heros in hypocrisy delusional sociopath land.

 :confused:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 10:35:56 PM
Nobody watches women's sports is the sad thing. No one even noticed.

Whatever sexist pig. I'm part of the women's sports matter movement, and we're protesting every single NFL game until all you misogynists watch 1 wnba game for every one football game. Fair if fair.
#thinkprogress #wsm
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on July 14, 2016, 02:27:01 PM
So it looks like the Fresno kid was less #HandsUpDontShoot and more #HandDownManDown
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2016, 04:20:11 PM
http://www.fresnobee.com/news/state/california/article89522412.html

Killed for screeching his tires.   Dang.






Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 04:29:46 PM
Quote
His mother, who declined to watch the videos, is seeking damages from the city for her son's death.

Read more here: http://www.fresnobee.com/news/state/california/article89522412.html#storylink=cpy

Do you blame her?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2016, 04:31:45 PM
Quote
His mother, who declined to watch the videos, is seeking damages from the city for her son's death.

Read more here: http://www.fresnobee.com/news/state/california/article89522412.html#storylink=cpy

Do you blame her?

No, I don't.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 04:35:03 PM
I know. I can't believe they even asked her to watch it. I wonder what that substance was and why he just didn't raise his dumb hand?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2016, 04:42:05 PM
I know. I can't believe they even asked her to watch it. I wonder what that substance was and why he just didn't raise his dumb hand?

Even if he drew a gun, they already had a bead on the dude, they'd have two rounds in him before he ever had a chance to aim, and he had no body armor.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 04:42:47 PM
Pretty mumped up.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 10:04:00 PM
Video is out on the Fresno kid. Pretty mumped up. He won't be talked about on the Espys, but I'll remember him. #whitelivesmatter #alllivesmatter #peace
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on July 14, 2016, 10:05:55 PM
I just don't even
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 14, 2016, 11:37:51 PM
https://youtu.be/XxErjH-MYQo
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 14, 2016, 11:38:11 PM
rough ridin' ridiculous
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 14, 2016, 11:43:24 PM
Looks like a suicide by cop.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 15, 2016, 12:02:56 AM
It was murder by cop
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 15, 2016, 12:32:44 AM
Agreed, absolutely disgusting
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 15, 2016, 05:41:15 AM
I simply don't understand why police officers aren't trained too utilize non lethal shots in certain situations. In this case and the dude in Baton Rouge the victims clearly weren't cooperating but they also posed no immediate threat to the safety of the murderous officers.

To watch them keep pumping lead into the body of a dying man because he can't put his hands out is gross.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on July 15, 2016, 05:55:03 AM
Breathing people are witnesses and victims. Dead people are perps.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on July 15, 2016, 06:46:19 AM
It was murder by cop

without question
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on July 15, 2016, 07:02:19 AM
Wtf
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on July 15, 2016, 07:22:33 AM
i pictured them going up to him afterwards and using the gun barrel to manipulate his hands away from clutching the gunshot wounds and high fiving each other
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on July 15, 2016, 08:42:20 AM
i pictured them going up to him afterwards and using the gun barrel to manipulate his hands away from clutching the gunshot wounds and high fiving each other

They'll write that into the docudrama, for sure.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 15, 2016, 01:27:16 PM
What is a cop supposed to do in that situation? 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on July 15, 2016, 01:31:24 PM
I think they could have cuffed him after the first shot.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 15, 2016, 01:50:35 PM
This is what happens when you take away the choke hold /mark fuhrman
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 15, 2016, 04:00:42 PM
I guess I should first ask, what are they trained to do in that situation?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 15, 2016, 04:07:35 PM
What is a cop supposed to do in that situation?

Keep shooting until rigor sets in to be completely sure he won't get the imaginary gun they were afraid of.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 15, 2016, 09:56:39 PM
I guess I should first ask, what are they trained to do in that situation?
They are probably trained to do exactly what they did, and that's a big rough ridin' problem.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on July 16, 2016, 12:04:01 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160716/05573927fc261ea4512e85b4a126dde2.jpg)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on July 16, 2016, 12:06:29 AM
My IRL question is, did she come up with that herself?  If she did, she needs and public office of some sort.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on July 16, 2016, 12:15:56 AM
I simply don't understand why police officers aren't trained too utilize non lethal shots in certain situations. In this case and the dude in Baton Rouge the victims clearly weren't cooperating but they also posed no immediate threat to the safety of the murderous officers.

To watch them keep pumping lead into the body of a dying man because he can't put his hands out is gross.

Your posts makes some fundamental mistakes about where firearms are on the use of force continuum and how firearms and ballistics actually work.  It's nice to think of nonlethal shots, but they are nearly impossible to deploy effectively. 

These videos though don't show the cops grasping that use of force continuum either.  Continuing to shoot after a threat is ended shows terrible restraint and a cowardice not compatible with a job we allow to legitimately use violence on the state's behalf.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 18, 2016, 09:18:56 AM
http://www.fresnobee.com/news/state/california/article89522412.html

Killed for screeching his tires.   Dang.
First two shots I can understand after watching the video. Second two I cannot.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 18, 2016, 09:22:25 AM
It was murder.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 20, 2016, 08:22:47 PM
Only because the cops forgot to kill this one can you almost laugh at the absurdity of it all.

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Kinsey’s wife Joyce told WSVN she’s just glad he is alive and able to tell the story of what happened to him. Kinsey said he was suffering flashbacks to the shooting “every time I close my eyes” and had only wanted to help his patient.

“I was really more worried about him than myself, because as long as I’ve got my hands up, they’re not going to shoot me,” Kinsey said. “This is what I’m thinking, ‘They’re not going to shoot me.’ Wow, was I wrong.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/unarmed-south-florida-man-hands-shot-police-video-article-1.2719331
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on July 20, 2016, 08:45:43 PM
good f'n grief
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on July 20, 2016, 09:10:32 PM
the cops forgot to kill this one.

rookie mistake.  the guys at the station aren't going to let them live that one down.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 20, 2016, 10:49:11 PM
Clean shoot?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2016, 10:20:29 AM
Only because the cops forgot to kill this one can you almost laugh at the absurdity of it all.

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Kinsey’s wife Joyce told WSVN she’s just glad he is alive and able to tell the story of what happened to him. Kinsey said he was suffering flashbacks to the shooting “every time I close my eyes” and had only wanted to help his patient.

“I was really more worried about him than myself, because as long as I’ve got my hands up, they’re not going to shoot me,” Kinsey said. “This is what I’m thinking, ‘They’re not going to shoot me.’ Wow, was I wrong.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/unarmed-south-florida-man-hands-shot-police-video-article-1.2719331

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I had my hands in the air, and I’m thinking I just got shot!” Kinsey told WSVN. “And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me were, ‘I don’t know.’”

holy crap
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 21, 2016, 10:26:23 AM
Did Kinsey's astonishing politeness and/or aw shucks mannerisms throw the cops for a loop to where they didn't finish the job?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 21, 2016, 10:31:45 AM
Do cops watch news?  I mean, d they hear about other shootings and stuff like we do?  Should we @ cops to this thread to maybe help prevent shootings like this?

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 21, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
Do cops watch news?  I mean, d they hear about other shootings and stuff like we do?  Should we @ cops to this thread to maybe help prevent shootings like this?

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They are trained to shoot people like this. I bet many would be able to easily justify all of these shootings.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 21, 2016, 10:52:24 AM
Do cops watch news?  I mean, d they hear about other shootings and stuff like we do?  Should we @ cops to this thread to maybe help prevent shootings like this?

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They are trained to shoot people like this. I bet many would be able to easily justify all of these shootings.

dumbass cop in miami:
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I don't know!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 21, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
Do cops watch news?  I mean, d they hear about other shootings and stuff like we do?  Should we @ cops to this thread to maybe help prevent shootings like this?

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They are trained to shoot people like this. I bet many would be able to easily justify all of these shootings.

I would bet that they are not trained to shoot people laying on their backs with their hands in the air.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 21, 2016, 11:16:36 AM
I would bet that their training is substandard to the point that half of them don't know why they shoot or where to draw the line and just shoot because scared.   :dunno:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on July 21, 2016, 11:31:03 AM
The thing about cops is they are mostly high school drop outs. There are obviously exceptions but think of the miserable losers you went to school with that are now cops.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 21, 2016, 11:33:17 AM
Do cops watch news?  I mean, d they hear about other shootings and stuff like we do?  Should we @ cops to this thread to maybe help prevent shootings like this?

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They are trained to shoot people like this. I bet many would be able to easily justify all of these shootings.

I would bet that they are not trained to shoot people laying on their backs with their hands in the air.

but they are trained that any unexpected movement could be a movement to a gun that will end their life - when you're trained to fire at something this benign, it's easy to make the leap to shoot at things even less threatening. Not saying this is what happened since the video doesn't show the shooting but really I think this is a reflection of a systematic problem with police training rather than one dumb cop.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on July 21, 2016, 11:44:50 AM
The thing about cops is they are mostly high school drop outs. There are obviously exceptions but think of the miserable losers you went to school with that are now cops.

Josh Berard is an exception. remember Josh Berard? man.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 21, 2016, 07:36:54 PM
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=e23_1468942010


Woman cops :sdeek:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 21, 2016, 08:35:06 PM
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=e23_1468942010


Woman cops :sdeek:
Cops shouldn't have guns
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on July 21, 2016, 09:32:26 PM
J-cops carry guns but only ever shoot themselves (seppuku)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on July 21, 2016, 10:16:30 PM
I think this deserves a little more attention. From the story of the guy getting shot with his hands up.

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When he shot me, it was so surprising. It was like a mosquito bite.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 22, 2016, 08:33:04 AM
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National BLM group criticizes Wichita cookout
A Black Lives Matter organization in Washington, D.C. has criticized Wichita’s First Step Community Cook Out on Sunday, KSN News reports.

A tweet by the Washington organization said, “This is not in line with our principles.”

But two community leaders who helped organize the cookout with the Wichita Police Department said the event was a proactive attempt to address longtime community issues.

How dare they engage in constructive community outreach!!!!!   This is a violent, anti-cop, hate group!!!! We're not trying to improve and resolve the issue, if we did that we'd have nothing else to do!!!!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on July 22, 2016, 10:51:03 AM
well that's pretty stupid of them
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 22, 2016, 10:55:53 AM
I got a speeding ticket today. Praise be to allah, for I did not die
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: yoga-like_abana on July 22, 2016, 11:08:39 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oklahoma-shoots-kills-family-dog-birthday-party-article-1.2719156

yikes
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 22, 2016, 11:26:41 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oklahoma-shoots-kills-family-dog-birthday-party-article-1.2719156

yikes

not just humans, best for dogs to avoid all cops too
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on July 22, 2016, 11:55:33 AM
That's just horrific.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on July 22, 2016, 12:48:58 PM
if you think it's bad for humans, you should see the numbers on dogs.  police are basically dog death squads that do a little human harassing on the side.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 22, 2016, 12:52:03 PM
if you think it's bad for humans, you should see the numbers on dogs.  police are basically dog death squads that do a little human harassing on the side.

Yes, only time I've seen a cop ready to pull their gun is when my dog barked at him...  from the backseat of my car.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 22, 2016, 12:53:06 PM
No knock warrant? Yup, your dog is going to get shot
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 22, 2016, 03:52:28 PM
The country's shittiest cops are now saying they didn't mean to shoot Kinsey, they meant to shoot the mentally disabled guy that was just sitting there(after Kinsey told the cops the guy was autistic) and are such bad shots they hit a guy laying down 6' away. 

It amazes me how super rough ridin' dumb ppl think that we are all even more dumb than they are. 

That cop needs to do time for attempted murder, imo. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 22, 2016, 03:58:45 PM
The country's shittiest cops are now saying they didn't mean to shoot Kinsey, they meant to shoot the mentally disabled guy that was just sitting there(after Kinsey told the cops the guy was autistic) and are such bad shots they hit a guy laying down 6' away. 

It amazes me how super rough ridin' dumb ppl think that we are all even more dumb than they are. 

That cop needs to do time for attempted murder, imo.

And people want wild west shootouts to protect denny's from a robbery
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 22, 2016, 04:14:18 PM
so I was saying cops shouldn't have guns in reference to the woman on the bus who let the perp grab her gun but also shooting a guy with his hands up next to someone with a toy truck also qualifies.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 27, 2016, 08:55:40 PM
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/article92024107.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on July 27, 2016, 09:19:11 PM
I bet that would be an entertaining video game.  Should be avail on Xbox live for dl

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mhkpasa on July 28, 2016, 01:03:33 PM
No knock warrant? Yup, your dog is going to get shot

So the dog attacked him 'through the fence', yet he was on private property. And he returned to the car to get the AR-15? Was that poorly written or is my comprehension fading? Or does that show how ludicrous his actions were?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on July 28, 2016, 01:22:43 PM
whatever it takes to make it home safely to your wife and kids
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on July 28, 2016, 01:23:08 PM
No knock warrant? Yup, your dog is going to get shot

So the dog attacked him 'through the fence', yet he was on private property. And he returned to the car to get the AR-15? Was that poorly written or is my comprehension fading? Or does that show how ludicrous his actions were?

I assumed he first shot the dog with his service piece, then put the dog out of its misery with the AR-15.  Apparently he really really wanted to shoot something with 2 different guns that day.  It may just be normal behavior for them.  A gun unused is a gun wasted, or something like that.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 28, 2016, 01:25:04 PM
whatever it takes to make it home safely to your wife and kids

Shouldn't that be the mindset for anyone who doesn't work from home and has a wife and kids?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on July 28, 2016, 01:27:19 PM
i'm gonna #thinblueline the eff out of someone's pet on my way home from work tonight, actually
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 28, 2016, 01:35:38 PM
i'm gonna #thinblueline the eff out of someone's pet on my way home from work tonight, actually

By any means necessary.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 28, 2016, 09:49:02 PM
i'm gonna #thinblueline the eff out of someone's pet on my way home from work tonight, actually

did you watch thin blue line yet?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 29, 2016, 07:29:41 AM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/baton-rouge-drug-enforcement-has-plummeted-since-police-killed-alton-sterling/

I think I'm against police brutality after all

Police  :curse:
Guns  :curse:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 29, 2016, 08:42:35 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2-cops-shot-in-san-diego-one-fatally/ar-BBv0OlF?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 30, 2016, 01:02:16 AM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/baton-rouge-drug-enforcement-has-plummeted-since-police-killed-alton-sterling/

I think I'm against police brutality after all

Police  :curse:
Guns  :curse:

Bump
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 30, 2016, 09:42:44 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kentucky-jail-woman-no-pants_us_579cf681e4b0e2e15eb61eec?section=

Yeah, our society views black lives equally. The pants and feminine hygiene products thing is bad, but 75 days, what the eff? That ADA is a huge piece of crap that needs to go.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 30, 2016, 09:44:43 PM
sounds like a good judge tho
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on July 30, 2016, 09:59:54 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/baton-rouge-drug-enforcement-has-plummeted-since-police-killed-alton-sterling/

I think I'm against police brutality after all

Police  :curse:
Guns  :curse:

Bump
Bump. I should start a new thread with this zinger
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 31, 2016, 02:21:36 AM
sounds like a good judge tho
Yes. Good judge. eff all that other nonsense. Black lives are no viewed equally at all.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on July 31, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
75 days for failing to attend a diversion program assigned for a shoplifting charge with no priors is absolutely ridiculous and is oversentencing is a much more widespread and serious problem than whatever weird-ass crazy crap was going on in that jail about not clothing prisoners.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 31, 2016, 02:34:15 PM
sounds like a good judge tho

Great judge. Also :fatty:
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/1e7fef9610aa939c25748f897d997caaaa78a13b/c=23-30-640-494&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/Louisville/2014/10/08/wolf.jpg)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2016, 01:33:55 PM
http://www.nj.com/cumberland/index.ssf/2016/08/panic_confusion_disbelief_in_911_mix-up_police_sho.html

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'Please send the police. I've been shot,' said man mistakenly shot by police
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on August 05, 2016, 01:48:42 PM
So it will be interesting to see what the reaction to the Chicago video released today is.  On one hand, the guy killed is an unquestionably bad dude and criminal.  On the other, for the police to disregard protocol, turn off a body cam, and skip straight over Judge and Jury to executioner is disgusting.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 06, 2016, 10:22:11 AM
Turning off the body cam should be a presumption of first degree
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on August 10, 2016, 09:03:28 AM
these police officers invited citizens to a "training demonstration" to better understand police tactics, and then of course accidentally shot one of the citizens (a 73 year old woman) to death

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article94767487.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article94767487.html)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 10, 2016, 09:19:11 AM
At least their heart was in the right place.  :D
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on August 10, 2016, 09:26:43 AM
all made it home safely to their family
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 10, 2016, 09:31:47 AM
The pinnacle of incompetence. I mean, that could easily be the opening scene of Police Academy 6 or something.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4S58e9wkHeQ/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on August 10, 2016, 09:55:39 AM
BEST TO AVOID ALL COPS
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiete on August 10, 2016, 10:08:35 AM
You better inspect your tail lights , you better come to a complete stop at a stop sign, none of this rolling through crap!  Matter of fact you better obey all the laws 'cuz the boys in blue are out there to protect and serve and they got an itchy trigger finger.  They're gangsta boy........ They don't give a mump!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 10, 2016, 10:12:34 AM
I love the police academy series
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 10, 2016, 10:20:22 AM
I love the police academy series

Good. Tackleberry works everywhere, apparently.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on August 10, 2016, 01:52:21 PM
there is a whole lot of WTF in here (Baltimore PD related)

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article94829582.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article94829582.html)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 10, 2016, 01:55:00 PM
Like sands through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/a-terribly-devastating-event-black-man-killed-by-swat-team-was-innocent-officials-say/?tid=pm_national_pop_b
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 10, 2016, 02:04:00 PM
You're in a rough ridin' armored vehicle, yet an unarmed man on foot is a threat worth meeting with lethal force? Come the eff on.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on August 11, 2016, 01:18:16 AM
http://cjonline.com/news/2016-08-10/prosecutor-missouri-police-officers-made-shooting-story-both-leave#
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 11, 2016, 01:29:05 AM
http://cjonline.com/news/2016-08-10/prosecutor-missouri-police-officers-made-shooting-story-both-leave#

video inventor should get the nobel prize for peace.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 11, 2016, 09:37:15 AM
Cops don't learn.  Its institutional, it seems.  I heard a story on 98.1 yesterday talking about how the Johnson County Sheriff dept is having trouble finding ppl which would normally be an issue, but evidently they are on the verge of the largest hiring need they have seen since the '80's.  They had the Sheriff on and the first thing he said is "we need people with guts!". 

None of this is changing until they hire a different personality set and train them differently, imo.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on August 15, 2016, 07:59:40 AM
So, Milwaukee... Black cop shoots armed black criminal who points gun at cop. Black people riot and specifically target white people and cops for violence.  Not a good day.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 15, 2016, 05:25:46 PM
So, Milwaukee... Black cop shoots armed black criminal who points gun at cop. Black people riot and specifically target white people and cops for violence.  Not a good day.

Not excusing the rioting here at all, although I'm far from "rioting is always bad," but you stripped this issue of every ounce of nuance that exists in Milwaukee. There has also been no reports of this dude pointing that weapon. He was a bad guy, no need to distort the events.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on August 15, 2016, 05:35:55 PM
I'm probably more in the "rioting is always bad" camp.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 15, 2016, 05:46:20 PM
I'm probably more in the "rioting is always bad" camp.

I would expect you to feel that way. There is literally no reason for white males to ever feel civil disobedience is necessary to be heard.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on August 15, 2016, 05:53:16 PM
Maybe it's just cause I'm white, but I definitely do not consider rioting and civil disobedience to be the same thing. I think riot implies an element of chaos and lack of any singular purpose other than maybe to cause damage to people and property.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiete on August 15, 2016, 05:54:31 PM
#crackers :curse:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 15, 2016, 05:56:09 PM
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Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power. Civil disobedience is a symbolic or ritualistic violation of the law, rather than a rejection of the system as a whole. Civil disobedience is sometimes, though not always,[1][2] defined as being nonviolent resistance.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on August 15, 2016, 06:35:29 PM
So, Milwaukee... Black cop shoots armed black criminal who points gun at cop. Black people riot and specifically target white people and cops for violence.  Not a good day.

Not excusing the rioting here at all, although I'm far from "rioting is always bad," but you stripped this issue of every ounce of nuance that exists in Milwaukee. There has also been no reports of this dude pointing that weapon. He was a bad guy, no need to distort the events.
I saw earlier reports that said he pointed the weapon that have since been changed I guess. Wasn't intentionally distorting anything
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 15, 2016, 08:58:30 PM
There is literally no reason for white males to ever feel civil disobedience is necessary to be heard.

that's not true at all.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 16, 2016, 02:54:46 AM
There is literally no reason for white males to ever feel civil disobedience is necessary to be heard.

that's not true at all.

An oversimplification, I should have added "on their own behalf."
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 16, 2016, 07:27:41 AM
There is literally no reason for white males to ever feel civil disobedience is necessary to be heard.

that's not true at all.

An oversimplification, I should have added "on their own behalf."

that's also not true at all.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 16, 2016, 07:29:47 AM
mir has no idea about the struggles of white men.  smdh
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 16, 2016, 08:00:35 AM
No one would riot for less. Such a great jam.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 16, 2016, 08:02:44 AM
https://youtu.be/4CcTv9MDEyE (https://youtu.be/4CcTv9MDEyE)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on August 16, 2016, 09:10:03 AM
I understand rioting -- and even sympathize with rioters sometimes -- but I also can't think of a scenario where it's not bad.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 16, 2016, 09:17:08 AM
How are any of us "heard?"  Without 1% type money all we have is a vote, and sometimes letters/emails to people who vote on our behalf.  Beyond that maybe membership in special interest groups?  If there's some way lil ole Emo can get Kevin Yoder to not vote like an idiot I'd love to hear it.  Also please know if there isn't really a way I'm not going to burn down your business because that's always a bad thing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 16, 2016, 09:57:48 AM
There is literally no reason for white males to ever feel civil disobedience is necessary to be heard.

that's not true at all.

An oversimplification, I should have added "on their own behalf."

that's also not true at all.

So you guys gonna tell me or not?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 16, 2016, 10:04:54 AM
broadly, i think emo's post said it pretty well.  as a white male, i don't feel like any level of govt gives much of a crap what i think.  if i wanted to be heard, civil disobedience would amplify my voice far more than showing up at at any govt office and politely flashing my skin color and secondary sex characters.


to construct a more narrow argument, all of the abuse of police powers suffered by black males are also suffered by white males, just at lower rates.  we can and should be rioting about that on our own behalf.  unfortunately, we're stupid and lazy.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 16, 2016, 10:05:17 AM
I disobey a lot? Usually not in a civil manner though
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on August 16, 2016, 10:14:07 AM
Yea, we all should get off our lazy asses and riot until police start treating us less violently.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 16, 2016, 10:18:22 AM
to construct a more narrow argument, all of the abuse of police powers suffered by black males are also suffered by white males, just at lower rates.  we can and should be rioting about that on our own behalf.  unfortunately, we're stupid and lazy.

I don't think that's it.  I think that, at least in my situation, "we" have more to lose.  Really, it's a poverty issue more than a race issue.  And it's not the have's and have nots, it's the have's and have nothing's.  I suspect that the correlation between personal wealth and the likelihood of being mistreated by police is higher than the correlation between race and the rate of police mistreatment.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 16, 2016, 10:42:40 AM
I was once strapped into a chair in six point restraints for 4 hours. This happened because I was cussing and yelling about my phone call. It was a combo of police and corrections officers that pinned me down. 8 in total that rushed the holding cell. Anywho, 3 hours in a co came in to check on me and see if I had calmed down. I had. He said he'd give me another hour to make sure.

You don't know emotional rollercoasters until you are strapped on place in 6 ways for hours.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 16, 2016, 10:43:32 AM
Might be the worst experience of my life. Well aside from one.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 16, 2016, 10:48:55 AM
I'm not sure how this is relevant?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 16, 2016, 10:58:02 AM
The Bundy group used civil disobedience to protest BLM. (land management, not black lives matter)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 16, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
I don't think that's it.  I think that, at least in my situation, "we" have more to lose.

you're probably right.  white americans also have a much weaker sense of racial identity compared to black americans (or most american minority groups).  so when we see some other white male being abused we tend to think more along the lines of "wonder what that idiot did" rather than "there but the grace of god go i".
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 16, 2016, 11:09:11 AM
I'm not sure how this is relevant?
It's not. I just wanted to tell that story
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on August 16, 2016, 01:31:50 PM
Reasonable...
https://www.twitter.com/DeeconX/status/765016547353964544
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 16, 2016, 01:37:26 PM
We really need to invest more in inner-city education.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on August 16, 2016, 01:42:25 PM
I am in the middle of the newest Waking Up Podcast with Sam Harris and Glenn Loury discussing race.  It is a decent discussion so far, for anyone interested.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast (https://www.samharris.org/podcast)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: cfbandyman on August 16, 2016, 01:49:13 PM
I am in the middle of the newest Waking Up Podcast with Sam Harris and Glenn Loury discussing race.  It is a decent discussion so far, for anyone interested.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast (https://www.samharris.org/podcast)

Will start listening now.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 17, 2016, 11:47:53 AM
broadly, i think emo's post said it pretty well.  as a white male, i don't feel like any level of govt gives much of a crap what i think.  if i wanted to be heard, civil disobedience would amplify my voice far more than showing up at at any govt office and politely flashing my skin color and secondary sex characters.


to construct a more narrow argument, all of the abuse of police powers suffered by black males are also suffered by white males, just at lower rates.  we can and should be rioting about that on our own behalf.  unfortunately, we're stupid and lazy.

I can't argue with any of this.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 23, 2016, 03:53:39 PM
 :frown:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-black-man-shot-cops-calling-report-robbery-article-1.2762748
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Fedor on August 23, 2016, 03:57:59 PM
:frown:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-black-man-shot-cops-calling-report-robbery-article-1.2762748
That picture of Shaun King is hilarious.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on August 24, 2016, 05:32:46 AM
http://ksn.com/2016/08/22/questions-remain-about-officer-involved-shooting-of-hays-man/ (http://ksn.com/2016/08/22/questions-remain-about-officer-involved-shooting-of-hays-man/)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on August 24, 2016, 07:40:20 AM
http://ksn.com/2016/08/22/questions-remain-about-officer-involved-shooting-of-hays-man/ (http://ksn.com/2016/08/22/questions-remain-about-officer-involved-shooting-of-hays-man/)

I can't get my mind around how police and DAs are able to stonewall the public's right to know about evidence or the status of investigations. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 14, 2016, 02:30:52 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/09/12/west-virginia-cop-fired-for-not-killing-a-man-with-an-unloaded-gun/?utm_term=.9db5f61c3538
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on September 14, 2016, 02:36:45 PM
Yikes.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 14, 2016, 04:12:16 PM
unreal
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on September 15, 2016, 07:42:23 AM
Horrible
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mhkpasa on September 15, 2016, 10:24:00 AM
Someone had this link in the comments to the WaPo story.

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/news/local-news/2016/09/weirton-officials-respond-to-story-about-cop-dismissal/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on September 15, 2016, 10:42:32 AM
Not so horrible
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 15, 2016, 11:07:31 AM
Someone had this link in the comments to the WaPo story.

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/news/local-news/2016/09/weirton-officials-respond-to-story-about-cop-dismissal/

 :lol:

This guy hopes thats not true.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/488370517116592128/d7ImJcYb.jpeg)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on September 16, 2016, 11:16:46 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/15/black-lives-matter-activist-changes-tune-on-police-following-robbery.html

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on September 16, 2016, 11:28:09 AM
I don't see how that is incompatible at all with BLM.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 16, 2016, 11:29:25 AM
Of course you don't.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2016, 11:40:51 AM
Shocking that a guy wants to be safe from crime but also not be abused by the police. How very hypocritical.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2016, 11:46:17 AM
Hey, this stupid idiot wants the fire department to put out the fire at his house but his dumb hypocritical ass ALSO is against fire fighters being arsonists. What a total insane person.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 16, 2016, 11:48:43 AM
Trying. Too. Hard!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2016, 11:53:20 AM
Can you imagine expecting a nurse to do their job and take care of you in a hospital but also think nurses that harm people should be fired?!? There's just no way those two things can happen at once!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2016, 12:00:24 PM
You know what I like? Eating in restaurants.

You know what I don't like? Getting poisoned at restaurants.

#hypocrite #doublestandard
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 16, 2016, 02:00:34 PM
lib how dare you talk about getting poisoned at a restaurant, when you are fully aware you are just as likely to be poisoned outside of a restaurant
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 16, 2016, 02:23:49 PM
lib how dare you talk about getting poisoned at a restaurant, when you are fully aware you are just as likely to be poisoned outside of a restaurant

Why are you guys talking about restaurant workers poisoning customers when there are restaurant workers poisoning other restaurant workers?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 16, 2016, 02:30:31 PM
lib how dare you talk about getting poisoned at a restaurant, when you are fully aware you are just as likely to be poisoned outside of a restaurant

Why are you guys talking about restaurant workers poisoning customers when there are restaurant workers poisoning other restaurant workers?

it's hard enough to be a restaurant worker, now you want to bring that into the mix? i just read about a waiter getting fired for not poisoning a customer!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 16, 2016, 02:35:41 PM
lib how dare you talk about getting poisoned at a restaurant, when you are fully aware you are just as likely to be poisoned outside of a restaurant

Why are you guys talking about restaurant workers poisoning customers when there are restaurant workers poisoning other restaurant workers?

it's hard enough to be a restaurant worker, now you want to bring that into the mix? i just read about a waiter getting fired for not poisoning a customer!

Yeah, it really put a burden on the other waiters because they had to poison that customer themselves.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on September 16, 2016, 02:40:10 PM
you guys poison mostly black guys?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 16, 2016, 02:54:07 PM
you guys poison mostly black guys?

per capita, or?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2016, 03:03:15 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on September 16, 2016, 03:03:33 PM
There are some high level mental gymnastics going on ITT rn
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Yard Dog on September 16, 2016, 03:28:44 PM
There are some high level mental gymnastics going on ITT rn

it's the only form of "exercise" lib gets
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on September 16, 2016, 03:30:04 PM
Damn, there is a smoldering crater where lib used to be now :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2016, 03:46:00 PM
tbt to yard dog  :alleyoop:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 16, 2016, 04:49:58 PM
Of course you don't.

There is a 100% chance you can't accurately express the goals of BLM.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 16, 2016, 04:53:09 PM
ok
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 16, 2016, 04:54:08 PM
There's a 100% chance you can't accurately express the goals of my KKK movement either. smdh. <----- JK
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 16, 2016, 04:57:49 PM
I posted that before I read the article, after reading the article I'm confused as to what his change of mind is. There isn't a single place in either article that quotes him as saying he doesn't think we should have cops.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2016, 10:41:51 AM
https://twitter.com/Shoq/status/777513664161189888

https://twitter.com/rbottoms/status/776847769403285504
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2016, 12:29:30 PM
At least no one was killed here, #progress

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/777014964741484545

Keep listening all the way through
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on September 18, 2016, 12:35:47 PM
all the city councilmen and mayoral candidates in fresno are campaigning on who can hire the most cops and how to pay for it.  it's just a choice of whose plan to flood the city with cops you like more, there's not a single one saying we're fine as is or we should have less.

 :frown:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 18, 2016, 12:40:02 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tulsa-cops-fatally-shoot-black-man-roadside-investigation-article-1.2796241
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 19, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tulsa-cops-fatally-shoot-black-man-roadside-investigation-article-1.2796241

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/777960452349321217

jeez, the shooting is terrible but the next minute and a half is just as bad. Do police ever give first aid to people they shoot? I realize it's best interest just to let them die, but man. Tough to watch.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 19, 2016, 04:33:43 PM
Also, going back to King's "why I never believe what cops say after they shoot someone" piece:

Quote
Crutcher approached the responding officers on foot and failed to put his hands up when the cops ordered him to, police said.

"He refused to follow commands given by the officers," Tulsa police spokeswoman Jeanne MacKenzie told the Associated Press. "They continued to talk to him, he continued not to listen and follow any commands."


*edited to add the part about hands being up
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: everyone shut up on September 19, 2016, 04:38:44 PM
Also, going back to King's "why I never believe what cops say after they shoot someone" piece:

Quote
"He refused to follow commands given by the officers," Tulsa police spokeswoman Jeanne MacKenzie told the Associated Press. "They continued to talk to him, he continued not to listen and follow any commands."

by that police logic, we should be shooting toddlers on a daily basis
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on September 19, 2016, 10:07:16 PM
This doesn't make any sense and it makes me sad.

I mean, how did the cops arrive in the first place? Looks like dude was broke down on the road and needed help.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 19, 2016, 10:51:55 PM
https://youtu.be/n5adHJhGC5k
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on September 20, 2016, 02:01:36 AM
WTF prompts four officers and a chopper even being there in this situation?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 20, 2016, 09:37:20 AM
"i don't want to get fired so i better shoot this guy"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 20, 2016, 09:37:40 AM
WTF prompts four officers and a chopper even being there in this situation?
There was a large unarmed black dude
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on September 20, 2016, 12:45:24 PM
For God's sake
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on September 20, 2016, 11:53:19 PM
I'm thinking this is a classic case shooting someone by accident and then trying to make it seem justified after the fact. This time the shooter is actually a cop and not a moonlighting dentist.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 21, 2016, 08:56:17 AM
I'm thinking this is a classic case shooting someone by accident and then trying to make it seem justified after the fact. This time the shooter is actually a cop and not a moonlighting dentist.

I saw a headline that said she meant to use her taser........but now I can't find it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 21, 2016, 08:59:30 AM
I'm thinking this is a classic case shooting someone by accident and then trying to make it seem justified after the fact. This time the shooter is actually a cop and not a moonlighting dentist.

I saw a headline that said she meant to use her taser........but now I can't find it.

The radio just said this is untrue and she followed police protocol
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on September 21, 2016, 09:02:57 AM
Related to some people being shocked that a 13 year old kid matched the description of armed robbers:

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160920/river-north/12-year-old-charged-string-of-river-north-amed-robberies
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on September 21, 2016, 01:26:13 PM
I think the cops shot another unarmed black man in charlotte yesterday but maybe that is already in another thread.  From what I read he was waiting to pick up His son from school or something.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mhkpasa on September 21, 2016, 01:38:45 PM
I think the cops shot another unarmed black man in charlotte yesterday but maybe that is already in another thread.  From what I read he was waiting to pick up His son from school or something.

Yeah Keith Lamont Scott. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/keith-lamont-scott-fatally-shot-n-c-cops-warned-repeatedly-n651846

Police: He had a gun, ignored commands, was a threat.

Family/witnesses: He was disabled and was reading a book.

Not good.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 21, 2016, 02:06:16 PM
For the record, I'm all for the civil unrest in Charlotte last night, could do without taking crap out of semis and burning it though.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiet on September 21, 2016, 10:44:49 PM
Black lives matter says you're soft
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 21, 2016, 11:42:35 PM
Your mother knows how hard I am
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiet on September 21, 2016, 11:54:35 PM
So weird of you to announce that, my mother has a chronic yeast infection, and you know that
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on September 22, 2016, 12:03:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yYARGFKbM
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 22, 2016, 12:58:27 PM
JFC
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Yard Dog on September 22, 2016, 01:46:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59kJXOLbKg
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on September 22, 2016, 03:44:14 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/st-louis-officer-accused-planting-gun-man-shot-article-1.2801097
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Gooch on September 22, 2016, 04:26:25 PM
I think those are refereed to as "the stinger" in shitty police lingo. At least it was in Training Day :dunno:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on September 22, 2016, 04:38:29 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/st-louis-officer-accused-planting-gun-man-shot-article-1.2801097

how often does crap like this happen and no one ever knows, man. god damn.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on September 22, 2016, 11:16:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59kJXOLbKg

uncle tom
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 23, 2016, 11:53:47 AM
70% of those busted in Charlotte have out of state ID's.   

Rent a mobs, sad.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 23, 2016, 12:20:27 PM
70% of those busted in Charlotte have out of state ID's.   

Rent a mobs, sad.


Link? Info wars?
How many of those ID's are from South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, or Virginia?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 23, 2016, 12:22:52 PM
70% of those busted in Charlotte have out of state ID's.   

Rent a mobs, sad.


Link? Info wars?
How many of those ID's are from South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, or Virginia?

Pres of Char-Meck FOP on CNN.   Take it up with him.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 23, 2016, 12:23:38 PM
Are you staying safe dax?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 23, 2016, 01:57:26 PM
The out of state comment that always comes up is weird.  I mean, can outrage over mumped up things not permeate state lines?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 23, 2016, 02:00:46 PM
The out of state comment that always comes up is weird.  I mean, can outrage over mumped up things not permeate state lines?

I think the argument is that out-of-state protesters are professional agitators who make things worse than if only locals protested.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 23, 2016, 02:06:15 PM
The out of state comment that always comes up is weird.  I mean, can outrage over mumped up things not permeate state lines?

I think the argument is that out-of-state protesters are professional agitators who make things worse than if only locals protested.

I get what the intent is, but even that is silly to me.  It would be different if the incidents were not worth rioting over or even if they were border line riot worthy.  That not being the case, it seems like a worthless talking point.  I mean, is anyone paying attention and still not understanding how these incidents could lead to a riot?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on September 23, 2016, 02:16:32 PM
The out of state comment that always comes up is weird.  I mean, can outrage over mumped up things not permeate state lines?

I think the argument is that out-of-state protesters are professional agitators who make things worse than if only locals protested.

I get what the intent is, but even that is silly to me.  It would be different if the incidents were not worth rioting over or even if they were border line riot worthy.  That not being the case, it seems like a worthless talking point.  I mean, is anyone paying attention and still not understanding how these incidents could lead to a riot?

The intent is to appeal to dumb and/or racist people with a concept that the incidents aren't worth rioting about or even taking issue with at all, and that they're being blown up by outsiders with ulterior motives.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on September 23, 2016, 02:52:26 PM
The out of state comment that always comes up is weird.  I mean, can outrage over mumped up things not permeate state lines?

I think the argument is that out-of-state protesters are professional agitators who make things worse than if only locals protested.

I get what the intent is, but even that is silly to me.  It would be different if the incidents were not worth rioting over or even if they were border line riot worthy.  That not being the case, it seems like a worthless talking point.  I mean, is anyone paying attention and still not understanding how these incidents could lead to a riot?

I kind of get your point, but this is real life and it's not ok to cause a riot just to prove that it could have happened even without your intervention. That's like if someone took their hands off the steering wheel and you reach over and jerk it to the side to show them how dangerous that could be if you hit a pot hole in the road.

I have no opinions as to whether this riot was incited or organic, but the difference matters. Maybe not to the overall message of police violence but certainly to the culpability of those involved.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 23, 2016, 03:08:54 PM
Riots are extremely underrated as tools for social change.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 23, 2016, 03:09:20 PM
Our system is imperfect.  Riots are a product of that. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 23, 2016, 03:13:22 PM
Sadly there were no professional rent-a-mobs for the guy gunned down in Cali awhile back, just a few locals trying to protest who were quickly dispersed by police.  Apparently indigenous populations are easily quelled and the pros have to be brought in to BITFD.   
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 23, 2016, 03:17:08 PM
Sadly there were no professional rent-a-mobs for the guy gunned down in Cali awhile back, just a few locals trying to protest who were quickly dispersed by police.  Apparently indigenous populations are easily quelled and the pros have to be brought in to BITFD.   

well you also have a smaller and more conservative Fresno compared to Charlotte. but "rent-a-mobs" is catchy!
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 23, 2016, 03:17:50 PM
I mean I know it's not cool, but maybe there are people who, you know can't just pack their crap and leave who are working in non violent ways for change.  Maybe the pros come in they just make worse and slow down the process.

BTW, I just ordered a book that looks like a Glock on Amazon. #pumped
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 23, 2016, 03:18:25 PM
Sadly there were no professional rent-a-mobs for the guy gunned down in Cali awhile back, just a few locals trying to protest who were quickly dispersed by police.  Apparently indigenous populations are easily quelled and the pros have to be brought in to BITFD.   

well you also have a smaller and more conservative Fresno compared to Charlotte. but "rent-a-mobs" is catchy!

Thanks, I'm extremely cutting edge.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 23, 2016, 03:18:35 PM
How is all that non violent work for change going so far, these last 2 yrs? 
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 23, 2016, 03:22:15 PM
How is all that non violent work for change going so far, these last 2 yrs?

I don't know. It was just a thought, friend.

300 plus million people in the U.S.  I suspect most interactions with police are the correct ones procedurally.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 23, 2016, 03:22:50 PM
Riots are extremely underrated as tools for social change.

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 23, 2016, 03:37:37 PM
Riots are extremely underrated as tools for social change.

 :thumbs:

Guy on the radio yesterday was listing good policy/societal changes that occurred after riots. It was pretty surprising how effective it is to bring attention and put pressure on people.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 23, 2016, 03:42:38 PM
https://www.facebook.com/paul.j.watson.71/videos/10154540644891171/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on September 23, 2016, 04:17:36 PM
so ends justify the means re. rioting?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on September 23, 2016, 05:51:26 PM
so ends justify the means re. rioting?

Always
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 23, 2016, 05:57:26 PM
Not that it matters, but it was a black cop who shot him and these rioters are out there targeting white ppl and jumping them. Racism goes both ways. #DoYourResearch
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 23, 2016, 06:04:41 PM
https://www.facebook.com/paul.j.watson.71/videos/10154540644891171/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

you seriously liked this video? good god, fanning.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 23, 2016, 06:26:37 PM
i don't think content matters for ol' facebookcat08
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 23, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Since I have a lot of black friends (yeah, I said it) and a bunch of liberal media friends, my timeline is filled with #blm, Bernie sanders stuff, etc. That was just my passive aggressive way of saying it wasn't totally a "peaceful protest". I still support a movement tho. But that poor reporter and random white guy are victims.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 23, 2016, 06:34:21 PM
Of..... Wait for it...... "Racism acts!"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on September 23, 2016, 08:34:42 PM
Wacks, why aren't you posting those in the FB threads?

Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 23, 2016, 09:00:39 PM
Idk, pretty great find tho.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: TheHamburglar on September 23, 2016, 09:43:18 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tulsa-cops-fatally-shoot-black-man-roadside-investigation-article-1.2796241

Arrested on 1st degree manslaughter.  Indictment said she let herself get too emotional and escalated it.  Part of this came from her taped interview.  Her original defense was she just had training on identifying people under the influence of PCP and he exhibited the signs.  One theory floating around town was part of that training was also "If you suspect it, don't just pull your gun out and start shouting demands.  If they aren't an immediate threat, wait for backup to help subdue them.  People on PCP are often irrational and are hard to subdue.  Don't be a hero."  This is where the emotional part of it comes in.  She didn't follow her training.

I know this isn't appropriate for this thread, but people always call Tulsa a racist shithole. The police department has a strong track record of engagement and trust building.  The city department is broken into 3 areas, with 1 area being North Tulsa which is a higher density of black citizens.  There is a very strong effort to get officers in this section involved and attending meetings at churches and community centers and being active with the NAACP.  There is a strong emphasis on knowing the citizens in your patrol.  When people wanted to demonstrate after the shooting, the police didn't show up in riot gear, they showed up and participated.  After the shooting happened, the police chief immediately made her interview available to the DA and provided a full, honest assessment of her conduct during the shooting.  I've lived here long enough I'm starting to associate Tulsa as home and take some civic pride.  When I moved here, this was the last place where I thought the police department itself would try to change its own culture from within.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on September 23, 2016, 10:07:15 PM
Riots are extremely underrated as tools for social change.

 :thumbs:

Guy on the radio yesterday was listing good policy/societal changes that occurred after riots. It was pretty surprising how effective it is to bring attention and put pressure on people.

They're doing a bang up job on lowering police violence so far.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on September 24, 2016, 12:37:53 AM
Hatchet wielding man threatens police. Not shot to death.

https://www.facebook.com/yourbusinessneedsllc/videos/687456388071201/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2016, 12:48:16 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tulsa-cops-fatally-shoot-black-man-roadside-investigation-article-1.2796241

Arrested on 1st degree manslaughter.  Indictment said she let herself get too emotional and escalated it.  Part of this came from her taped interview.  Her original defense was she just had training on identifying people under the influence of PCP and he exhibited the signs.  One theory floating around town was part of that training was also "If you suspect it, don't just pull your gun out and start shouting demands.  If they aren't an immediate threat, wait for backup to help subdue them.  People on PCP are often irrational and are hard to subdue.  Don't be a hero."  This is where the emotional part of it comes in.  She didn't follow her training.

I know this isn't appropriate for this thread, but people always call Tulsa a racist shithole. The police department has a strong track record of engagement and trust building.  The city department is broken into 3 areas, with 1 area being North Tulsa which is a higher density of black citizens.  There is a very strong effort to get officers in this section involved and attending meetings at churches and community centers and being active with the NAACP.  There is a strong emphasis on knowing the citizens in your patrol.  When people wanted to demonstrate after the shooting, the police didn't show up in riot gear, they showed up and participated.  After the shooting happened, the police chief immediately made her interview available to the DA and provided a full, honest assessment of her conduct during the shooting.  I've lived here long enough I'm starting to associate Tulsa as home and take some civic pride.  When I moved here, this was the last place where I thought the police department itself would try to change its own culture from within.

I am not accepting that he had PCP in the car simply because the TPD lied about the window being down. They said he reached into the window to get something but the window had blood splatter on it.

r.e., Tulsa being a racist shithole and the police training. There were a lot of mumped up things about this shooting that makes the TPD look awful ava like they fall into the same trappings about black people that everyone else does. First of all I'm confused as to why either a disabled vehicle or a citizen high on drugs required three vehicles and a helicopter. Speaking of the helicopter, if the TPD has been receiving training on minority and community relations, those helicopter cops should take it again; one calling Crutcher a "thing" and the other "a big bad dude on something." You absolutely cannot police equally if there is a segment of the population you view as subhuman.

I know there are great people in Tulsa but the police department clearly needs help. One final Tulsa story. I worked at Wildcat Creek when they first opened the golf course. There was a guy who came in the very first day we were open to the public and somehow we got on the topic of me being born in Oklahoma City, the guy says to me in a thick drawl "Oklahoma City, dem yankees down there, Tulsa is the real South." Our conversation ended.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: TheHamburglar on September 24, 2016, 09:58:28 AM
1. I don't think the helicopter was in the air just for him.  However, it was there to help find him if he ran. 
2. On the 3 cars thing.  She thought he was on PCP.  He wasn't responding to her verbal commands.  What I've heard from someone connected to the PD is she was trained to observe until she got backup to help subdue him. That's why you need 3 cars.  5 people physically subduing him is safer for him than 2 with guns pulled.  An overmatched person with a gun is more likely to get scared and shoot, like she did.  The exact words told to me was "Once you believe someone is on PCP, you're trained to subdue them and get them to a safe environment.  They won't respond to what you're telling them to do, so you can't expect them to.  You don't just pull out your gun and treat them like a regular, hostile suspect.  If they aren't an immediate threat on their own, you wait for backup and get them detained safely".
3.  I wouldn't be surprised if the one helicopter cop is back on Sunday morning church traffic and parking tickets.  Her husband has to go.
4.  They said she reported his window was down.  They have to come out right away with the officer's tale of events.  If they don't come out with her story, then it looks like they're covering up.  Once they got all the facts they could, they turned them over to the DA.  The department stopped trying to protect her almost immediately.  The DA didn't come up with "she let her emotions escalate it" on their own.  That came from PD management.  The victim's family thanked the chief for being transparent and honest with their assessment with the DA.  It sounds like the charges came with an endorsement of the department.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that happens within a week in most places in the south/southish.

I'm not saying their aren't racist in the PD.  I'm saying everyone is calling for police cultural change, and they are trying.  You aren't going to purge the old culture and racists quickly.  The ingrained racists aren't changing.  It takes time for them to die off.  I do give this police administration credit for trying to start that change at the top and working on turning the department with the new/younger officers.  You say the department needs help.  I agree, but I think they are actively trying to get it and help themselves. 
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 24, 2016, 04:04:26 PM
Black guy with a gun, black cop, black police chief, black mayor, white governor (the devil), black US Attorney General, black President. 

#bitfd
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 24, 2016, 04:07:44 PM
Girl looks like a straight racist murderer
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 24, 2016, 06:38:19 PM
That charlotte guy was irl murdered, wow
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 24, 2016, 07:24:46 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/us/charlotte-police-videos-keith-scott.html?ribbon-ad-idx=15&rref=us&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&pgtype=article
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on September 24, 2016, 09:15:33 PM
There should be a Ron Jaworski of cops that breaks down the film on these things.  And maybe a Mike Pereira type to simultaneously point out all the violations.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 24, 2016, 11:31:33 PM
How do they get DNA back so fast, I see it normally taking months
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on September 26, 2016, 03:17:54 PM
After being aghast, a lot to lol at here.

https://static01.nyt.com/video/players/offsite/index.html?videoId=100000003738518
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 26, 2016, 03:38:48 PM
After being aghast, a lot to lol at here.

https://static01.nyt.com/video/players/offsite/index.html?videoId=100000003738518

"don't shoot the messenger"

:lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 26, 2016, 03:39:40 PM
the old guy in the notre dame hat shaking his head :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on September 26, 2016, 03:43:24 PM
the old guy in the notre dame hat shaking his head :lol:

I've been trying to guess whether he's smh'n his head at the content of blue shirt's speech or that he's saying it while there's a nyt crew in the room to gauge police reform efforts.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on September 26, 2016, 03:45:05 PM
Dude playing on his phone through the mandatory training (and debate on when to deescalate with a gun to the face). 

:lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 27, 2016, 01:37:12 AM
The guy in the blue shirt is going to smoke somebody and the guy in the camo hat hasn't smoked anyone yet but he is pretty liberal with his whipping stick or whatever it is they give cops these days. I took ol dude in the Notre Dame hat having that facial expression because he has heard that very angry dude in the blue shirt say the same stupid crap about 30 times.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 27, 2016, 02:28:45 AM
http://jalopnik.com/is-this-virginia-police-department-popping-the-hoods-on-1787096994
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 27, 2016, 06:33:43 AM
http://jalopnik.com/is-this-virginia-police-department-popping-the-hoods-on-1787096994

Danville was the last base of operations for Jefferson Davis before the south surrendered, if that helps paint of picture of what type of town this is
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 27, 2016, 11:36:04 AM
http://jalopnik.com/is-this-virginia-police-department-popping-the-hoods-on-1787096994

:flush:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on September 29, 2016, 01:41:23 PM
your weekly video of police murdering someone

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeremy-mardis-shooting-death-video-body-cam-footage-boy-killed-police-chris-few-a7337136.html

(I think this one has been shared before)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 29, 2016, 10:44:20 PM
The Kansas Bureau of Investigations has stayed busy in the past month, helping assist on several officer-involved shooting investigations.
http://ksn.com/2016/09/29/kbi-resources-stretched-thin-by-officer-involved-shootings/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on October 06, 2016, 10:53:43 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/502745/police-who-shoot-and-kill-dogs/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 07, 2016, 10:24:00 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/502745/police-who-shoot-and-kill-dogs/

It's disgusting, and only a half notch below this trigger happy bullshit being used on people.

So people who want to have a dog around for companionship, to raise an alarm, for protection ,can expect to have them blown away?  It appears that's the case.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 07, 2016, 10:43:23 AM
Whatever happened with the shooting in Hays?  Cops were mum for a while on it I think?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 07, 2016, 11:30:45 AM
Whatever happened with the shooting in Hays?  Cops were mum for a while on it I think?

There will be no charges filed
http://ksn.com/2016/09/27/ellis-county-to-provide-update-on-officer-involved-shooting-thursday/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on October 07, 2016, 11:36:10 AM
Whatever happened with the shooting in Hays?  Cops were mum for a while on it I think?

There will be no charges filed
http://ksn.com/2016/09/27/ellis-county-to-provide-update-on-officer-involved-shooting-thursday/

cops shouldn't have guns. the narrative reminds me of that shooting on an OKC bus that wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been pointing their guns at some guy's face.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 07, 2016, 11:38:15 AM
Damn, appears to be a justified shooting...but...seems like non-lethal alternatives would have been better in this situation.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on January 15, 2017, 12:18:28 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/01/14/video-shows-police-tackling-and-beating-a-black-man-suspected-of-stealing-a-car-it-was-his/?utm_term=.6cd8fd43c87d

Jfc. Stopped because someone thought it looked like he was breaking into a car. Police tackle and beat him while he's standing with his hands in the air. Police verify the car is his, arrest him anyway.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on January 15, 2017, 12:24:06 PM
Ksuw - doesn't look like anything to me
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on January 15, 2017, 12:29:14 PM
Cops sticking to the script and making sure to yell out "Stop resisting!!" several times.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on January 15, 2017, 12:32:15 PM
They are just too scared to do their job. Can't even give an old fashioned 7 on 1 beating without getting caught on camera
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on January 15, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
Should have bought a white car
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on June 19, 2017, 02:12:22 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/demands-for-answers-after-police-kill-pregnant-seattle-mom/ar-BBCRyGs
Police go into an apartment and shootl pregnant mom who called 911 about a burglary.  Now cops saying she threatened to carve them with a knife.  Big screwup cover up.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 20, 2017, 07:09:42 PM
http://www.startribune.com/case-file-in-philando-castile-shooting-to-be-made-public-today/429659263/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on June 20, 2017, 11:42:35 PM
why isn't the NRA losing their crap over this?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 21, 2017, 12:38:35 AM
why isn't the NRA losing their crap over this?

because they know that they (along with a high percentage of their members) are racist hypocrites :dunno: just a hunch
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2017, 08:52:09 AM
Listening to instructions is hard
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on June 21, 2017, 09:15:46 AM
We have no idea what happened inside the car. An article I read stated the police officer said that he didn't see anything in Philando's hand.

Seems like a couple more questions could have alleviated any fear of a gun. Like where it is located. Or asking him to step out of the car to separate him from the gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on June 21, 2017, 09:44:10 AM
Guy got what he deserved for sure wacks
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2017, 09:45:41 AM
(http://media2.giphy.com/media/szPZ2NXIGCMcE/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2017, 11:14:51 AM
 :frown:

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/877559628376059904
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on June 21, 2017, 11:35:46 AM
:frown:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 21, 2017, 11:58:36 AM
why isn't the NRA losing their crap over this?

Was he a member?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on June 21, 2017, 12:00:39 PM
Does the nra only believe in second amendment rights for their members?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Gooch on June 21, 2017, 12:02:33 PM
why isn't the NRA losing their crap over this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3A3NIWn_a4
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 21, 2017, 12:02:47 PM
Does the nra only believe in second amendment rights for their members?

Some of them believe if you're a gun owner but not a member you're a gotdamned freeloader.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on June 21, 2017, 12:04:45 PM
I see, that guy probably had one of those free obamaguns
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 21, 2017, 12:18:00 PM
We have no idea what happened inside the car. An article I read stated the police officer said that he didn't see anything in Philando's hand.

Seems like a couple more questions could have alleviated any fear of a gun. Like where it is located. Or asking him to step out of the car to separate him from the gun.


Didn't his GF put the entire encounter on FB live? Seems like we have a better idea here than in any of these other shootings, and the cop still got off. "...but totally, I feared for my life."  "Okay, you have a free pass to shoot and kill anyone then." I hope the city, the police department, and the cop get completely taken to the cleaners in civil court.





Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 21, 2017, 12:22:09 PM
1)  cops, stop shooting people
2) people, stop giving cops reasons to shoot you
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on June 21, 2017, 12:23:42 PM
What was the reason in this case?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Gooch on June 21, 2017, 12:24:46 PM
That guy did everything right. I have done the exact same things when pulled over while carrying. I have never even remotely had a cop get agitated or even ask where my gun is simply because I'm white. The only thing he did wrong was being born black.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 21, 2017, 12:35:34 PM
why isn't the NRA losing their crap over this?

because they know that they (along with a high percentage of their members) are racist hypocrites :dunno: just a hunch
Obviously this but it's a good illustration of how the mere presence of firearms can easily make people rough ridin' lunatics. Situations like this would happen way more often if more people were armed.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 21, 2017, 12:35:54 PM
I don't think it's that binary.  And no he didn't do everything right.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on June 21, 2017, 12:47:24 PM
We have no idea what happened inside the car. An article I read stated the police officer said that he didn't see anything in Philando's hand.

Seems like a couple more questions could have alleviated any fear of a gun. Like where it is located. Or asking him to step out of the car to separate him from the gun.


Didn't his GF put the entire encounter on FB live? Seems like we have a better idea here than in any of these other shootings, and the cop still got off. "...but totally, I feared for my life."  "Okay, you have a free pass to shoot and kill anyone then." I hope the city, the police department, and the cop get completely taken to the cleaners in civil court.
I did not see the Facebook video. I also wanted to avoid having an e-argument over it.

I thought the aftermath was on fb not the whole thing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2017, 01:03:05 PM
What was the reason in this case?
"Ok, Don't reach for it tho. Don't pull it out. DON'T PULL IT OUT!!! *BANG* BANG* *Bang*"

Don't reach for it, dumbass!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on June 21, 2017, 01:05:09 PM
What was the reason in this case?
"Ok, Don't reach for it tho. Don't pull it out. DON'T PULL IT OUT!!! *BANG* BANG* *Bang*"

Don't reach for it, dumbass!
How do you know what he was teaching for?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on June 21, 2017, 01:05:46 PM
If I'm planning on shooting an officer, I've got that bad boy out as he approaches my car.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2017, 01:08:28 PM
You can hear the pbp of what's going on the entire time. Just listen to the order and don't move.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 21, 2017, 01:15:05 PM
I think it's probably best to just not let the cop know you have a gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on June 21, 2017, 01:19:31 PM
I think it's probably best to just not let the cop know you have a gun.

If you're black it seems the best thing to do is stop being black and then let the cop know you have a legal weapon
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on June 21, 2017, 01:22:44 PM
Honesty is not always the best policy.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2017, 01:24:50 PM
I just wouldn't pull for a gun after the cops told me not to.  :dunno:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on June 21, 2017, 01:34:10 PM
Add getting shot by cops to the list of reasons not to have a gun
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 21, 2017, 01:40:24 PM
If I have a gun in the glove box and the officer asks if I have any weapons, the answer is "no, sir."
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 21, 2017, 02:14:15 PM
If I have a gun in the glove box and the officer asks if I have any weapons, the answer is "no, sir."
What if you have your insurance there?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 21, 2017, 02:21:57 PM
If I have a gun in the glove box and the officer asks if I have any weapons, the answer is "no, sir."
What if you have your insurance there?

You should try to have that out and ready before the cop approaches the vehicle. Even if you were going to tell the cop about your gun, the last thing you want to do is to reach into an area where the gun is and let the cop guess whether you are actually grabbing the insurance or the gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on June 21, 2017, 02:25:04 PM
Rage might be at a high risk of being cop shot
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 21, 2017, 02:25:17 PM
If you have a gun and they ask you must tell them.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2017, 02:31:05 PM
If you have a gun and they ask you must tell them.
Hmmm.... I wonder if this is part of gun safety courses.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 21, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
If you have a gun and they ask you must tell them.

That only matters if they actually find a gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on June 21, 2017, 02:55:24 PM
After reading here how much the formerly alive guy did wrong, I'm wondering if the cop should file a civil suit himself against the surviving family for all the hassle this ended up being for him, including having lost his job.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on June 21, 2017, 03:01:36 PM
Perhaps somewhere in the rebel Minnesota State bbs' pit, Yanez is laying out his argument in the "not just missouri, best to avoid all black people" thread.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 21, 2017, 03:08:03 PM
If you have a gun and they ask you must tell them.

That only matters if they actually find a gun.

Not worth the risk.  Just tell them.  You're white anyway.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on June 21, 2017, 03:09:02 PM
 you can put the odds of them finding the gun if you're black at approximately 100%
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 21, 2017, 03:13:35 PM
you can put the odds of them finding the gun if you're black at approximately 100%

If they don't find one they have one to plant anyway.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 21, 2017, 03:13:50 PM
After shooting you to death of course.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Gooch on June 21, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
Add getting shot by cops to the list of reasons not to have a gun
That was the only bit of useful info i got from my CCL class. How to carry and not get shot. I was told (by a police officer) who taught our class that it is best tell them even when not asked when he comes up so he does not see it if you move to get your license or get in the glove box.

I keep mine in the console so when I had them my license I also hand them my CCL. I had never once (4 times) had the officer even ask where it was.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 21, 2017, 03:35:48 PM
Gooch you need to fix that damn tail light man.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 21, 2017, 03:41:18 PM
Gooch you need to fix that damn tail light man.

He's getting off light! because he's white!

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/us/before-philando-castiles-fatal-encounter-a-costly-trail-of-minor-traffic-stops.html?_r=0
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Gooch on June 21, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
I get about two tickets a year. I speed way too much.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Skipper44 on June 21, 2017, 03:53:43 PM
Gooch you need to fix that damn tail light man.

He's getting off light! because he's white!

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/us/before-philando-castiles-fatal-encounter-a-costly-trail-of-minor-traffic-stops.html?_r=0
As much as I respect his commitment to keep classic american iron on the road a high mileage accord might have been the better buy

Quote
Mr. Castile’s sister Allysza said her brother’s love of wide-bodied, older-model cars, like the 1997 Oldsmobile he bought for $275 and was driving when he was shot, attracted police officers’ attention.

Ms. Castile was pulled over three times when she borrowed his car, she said, because “those are mostly stereotyped as drug dealer-type cars.”
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 21, 2017, 04:12:37 PM
Gooch you need to fix that damn tail light man.

He's getting off light! because he's white!

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/us/before-philando-castiles-fatal-encounter-a-costly-trail-of-minor-traffic-stops.html?_r=0

That article is full of some really appalling stuff. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 22, 2017, 01:23:09 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/killed-castile-pot-smell-made-fear-life-article-1.3265188?utm_content=bufferfa05d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on June 22, 2017, 01:29:19 PM
I read that bit earlier. Who smells pot and then fears for their life?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on June 22, 2017, 01:30:26 PM
sounds like officer yanez overdosed on reefer madness
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on June 22, 2017, 01:32:32 PM
I feared for the safety of the little girl so I shot my gun in her direction hoping the black man would stop all the bullets
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 22, 2017, 04:44:16 PM
That cop actually said second hand smoke was a reason for him to shoot someone.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 22, 2017, 05:47:35 PM
There are worse reasons I guess
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on June 22, 2017, 08:00:05 PM
What does a black person have to do to not get shot by a cop?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on June 22, 2017, 08:17:46 PM
Be as subservient as possible.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on June 22, 2017, 08:43:13 PM
Be as subservient as possible.

Yeah that doesn't work obviously
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 22, 2017, 08:50:56 PM
Don't grab for a gun you just told the cop about. :dunno:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on June 22, 2017, 09:08:03 PM
Yeah that doesn't work obviously
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on June 22, 2017, 09:11:09 PM
Be as subservient as possible.

Yeah that doesn't work obviously
Complete checks on your lights every time you start your vehicle?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 23, 2017, 03:06:59 PM
I read that bit earlier. Who smells pot and then fears for their life?

This weekend in Denver, I rode in a bus that smelled heavily of pot. I did not kill anyone.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 23, 2017, 06:50:39 PM
I read that bit earlier. Who smells pot and then fears for their life?

This weekend in Denver, I rode in a bus that smelled heavily of pot. I did not kill anyone.

You should be a cop, you'd rule them all
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: cfbandyman on June 23, 2017, 06:51:26 PM
I read that bit earlier. Who smells pot and then fears for their life?

This weekend in Denver, I rode in a bus that smelled heavily of pot. I did not kill anyone.

I didn't know that was possible  :sdeek:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2017, 08:32:59 PM
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/878281451665408001
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on June 23, 2017, 08:39:56 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on June 23, 2017, 08:59:46 PM
I'm not sure if one person can own an entire city but there is a first time for everything
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on June 23, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
If you're a white guy who is terrified of black people maybe you should pick a job other than being a cop. Like almost literally any other job in the world.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 24, 2017, 10:40:38 AM
I read that bit earlier. Who smells pot and then fears for their life?

This weekend in Denver, I rode in a bus that smelled heavily of pot. I did not kill anyone.

Any unborn children on board?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 24, 2017, 10:47:05 AM
If you're a white guy who is terrified of black people maybe you should pick a job other than being a cop. Like almost literally any other job in the world.

Cop is so much easier tho...
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 26, 2017, 08:36:01 AM
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/878281451665408001

I considered answering mocat's question with "become a cop themselves." Now I'm glad I didn't.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 26, 2017, 10:46:03 AM
I read that bit earlier. Who smells pot and then fears for their life?

This weekend in Denver, I rode in a bus that smelled heavily of pot. I did not kill anyone.

Any unborn children on board?

I can't confirm either way.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 13, 2017, 02:25:53 PM
https://twitter.com/bkparallax/status/885267372998893568
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 13, 2017, 02:27:05 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: dmartin on July 13, 2017, 02:30:38 PM
I read that bit earlier. Who smells pot and then fears for their life?

a bag of Doritos?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: cfbandyman on July 13, 2017, 02:33:59 PM
I read that bit earlier. Who smells pot and then fears for their life?

a bag of Doritos?

I IRL had to keep from busting out laughing at work
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 13, 2017, 05:42:42 PM
Lol

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on July 17, 2017, 05:45:42 PM
http://www.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/#1 (http://www.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/#1)

good test for the all lives matter movements rioting abilities?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on July 17, 2017, 06:13:41 PM
This lady was not even a US citizen puni. What right did she have to even call 911?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 17, 2017, 06:34:32 PM
I'm seeing an acquittal in their future.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 18, 2017, 04:03:16 AM
I'm seeing an acquittal in their future.

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Yeah right!
Mohamed Noor
(https://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/mohamed-noor.jpg?w=768&h=432)
That nigga's got no chance
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: cfbandyman on July 18, 2017, 07:00:23 AM
I'm seeing an acquittal in their future.

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Yeah right!
Mohamed Noor
(https://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/mohamed-noor.jpg?w=768&h=432)
That nigga's got no chance

To be fair it says his name a grand total of 1 time on that webpage, and it's a link that says "Who is Mohamed Noor" off to the side and mentioned 0 times in the article. But, yeah, this will be an explosive case.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 18, 2017, 07:17:28 AM
I'm seeing an acquittal in their future.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Yeah right!
Mohamed Noor
(https://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/mohamed-noor.jpg?w=768&h=432)
That nigga's got no chance
Oh crap.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slackcat on July 18, 2017, 07:37:17 AM
I'm seeing an acquittal in their future.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Yeah right!
Mohamed Noor
(https://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/mohamed-noor.jpg?w=768&h=432)
That nigga's got no chance


He's Muslim, I give him 80/20.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 18, 2017, 08:32:09 AM
Muslims get all the breaks
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on July 18, 2017, 10:18:01 AM
It's amazing how a shitty off the shelf GoPro can survive being strapped to a snowboarder's helmet as they tumble thousands of feet down a mountain yet police body cameras and dashcams can't even be turned on or even if they are turned on manage to not capture video because of a malfunction. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: dmartin on July 18, 2017, 10:19:52 AM
It's amazing how a shitty off the shelf GoPro can survive being strapped to a snowboarder's helmet as they tumble thousands of feet down a mountain yet police body cameras and dashcams can't even be turned on or even if they are turned on manage to not capture video because of a malfunction.

It's like things work when you want them to record, and they don't work when you'd rather them not record.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: cfbandyman on July 18, 2017, 11:19:31 AM
It's amazing how a shitty off the shelf GoPro can survive being strapped to a snowboarder's helmet as they tumble thousands of feet down a mountain yet police body cameras and dashcams can't even be turned on or even if they are turned on manage to not capture video because of a malfunction.

It's like things work when you want them to record, and they don't work when you'd rather them not record.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/a5viI92PAF89q/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slackcat on July 18, 2017, 01:37:54 PM
It's amazing how a shitty off the shelf GoPro can survive being strapped to a snowboarder's helmet as they tumble thousands of feet down a mountain yet police body cameras and dashcams can't even be turned on or even if they are turned on manage to not capture video because of a malfunction.

It's like things work when you want them to record, and they don't work when you'd rather them not record.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/a5viI92PAF89q/giphy.gif)

lol
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on July 19, 2017, 01:02:39 AM
I will be watching with interest.

very curious to learn whether muslim blue lives matter
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on July 21, 2017, 07:25:47 PM
Looks like Noor will be just fine
 
https://twitter.com/ap/status/888538917095563264
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 21, 2017, 11:46:28 PM
Looks like Noor will be just fine
 
https://twitter.com/ap/status/888538917095563264

LOL, white privilege knows no bounds, even from beyond the grave.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 22, 2017, 12:19:38 AM
To be fair, the police chief was a woman.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on July 22, 2017, 02:42:39 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/what-dog-shootings-reveal-about-american-policing/533319/


there is body cam footage of the minneapolis attempted canicides, which i have chosen not to view.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on July 22, 2017, 02:49:51 AM
i just watched.  rough ridin' piece of crap.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 22, 2017, 04:12:38 AM
Good God.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slackcat on July 22, 2017, 08:18:25 AM
Guess they lowered the bar to fulfill diversity requirements.
http://www.startribune.com/despite-wave-of-retirements-mpls-police-struggle-to-hire-diverse-force/271772331/ (http://www.startribune.com/despite-wave-of-retirements-mpls-police-struggle-to-hire-diverse-force/271772331/)
Quote
Last year, Mayor Betsy Hodges posted a note about Noor, lauding his hiring as a “wonderful sign” and shining example of community-oriented policing. She wrote:

    “I want to take a moment to recognize Officer Mohamed Noor, the newest Somali officer in the Minneapolis Police Department. Officer Noor has been assigned to the 5th Precinct, where his arrival has been highly celebrated, particularly by the Somali community in and around Karmel Mall. The community even hosted a meet and greet event (see pics) to welcome him. A wonderful sign of building trust and community policing at work.”


 :sdeek:


Lowered standards not just for Minneapolis but the entire country. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 22, 2017, 09:14:36 PM
I don't think most police departments would need to lower standards for a Somali refugee to get a job with them. They barely have any standards to begin with.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slackcat on July 23, 2017, 06:43:48 AM
Good read from the Eagle:
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/article46963165.html

Starting out at 20k to handle the scum of the earth????  :buh-bye:

Also, I don't know many in SEK who would meet those job standards.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 23, 2017, 01:09:13 PM
The job standards of not being a criminal can be pretty rigorous
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 23, 2017, 05:51:38 PM
Yeah, I think there are probably plenty of non-criminals in SEK that have a high school diploma or GED. There are a lot of alcoholics there, though. That probably makes things a little harder.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 23, 2017, 05:54:46 PM
Yeah. I'd imagine my rehab stints would prohibit me from joining the police force. I couldn't join the military because of them.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: slackcat on July 23, 2017, 09:31:42 PM
Yeah, I think there are probably plenty of non-criminals in SEK that have a high school diploma or GED. There are a lot of alcoholics and meth heads there, though. That probably makes things a little harder.

and the ones left are powertrippin' assholes.  So there you have it, I'm the only one qualified to be a cop.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 23, 2017, 09:46:52 PM
Good luck in your new career
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 26, 2017, 02:31:31 AM
 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
http://abc.net.au/news/2017-07-26/police-hurl-plastic-barrier-at-man-during-border-incident/8744080?pfmredir=sm
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on July 28, 2017, 05:19:49 PM
Yeah. I'd imagine my rehab stints would prohibit me from joining the police force. I couldn't join the military because of them.

you're a druggie......not surprised........can't get in the military........also not surprised
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on July 28, 2017, 07:30:42 PM
Yeah. I'd imagine my rehab stints would prohibit me from joining the police force. I couldn't join the military because of them.

you're a druggie......not surprised........can't get in the military........also not surprised
No better than a tranny at this point. Amirite?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on July 31, 2017, 01:09:48 PM
Yeah. I'd imagine my rehab stints would prohibit me from joining the police force. I couldn't join the military because of them.

you're a druggie......not surprised........can't get in the military........also not surprised
No better than a tranny at this point. Amirite?

Actually it's way worse.  While trannies are disgusting they are not a drain on society.  Druggies like you steal, break laws and require thousands of tax payer dollars for your time in rehab and/or jail.  All in all you're a drain on society so I understand why you are a democrat.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Gooch on July 31, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
:flush:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2017, 01:14:49 PM
:flush:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on July 31, 2017, 01:26:18 PM
:flush:
  :'bye cruel world:

 :'bye cruel world:

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on July 31, 2017, 01:42:24 PM
Why is Republicat still a thing?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 31, 2017, 04:39:25 PM
Because wacky's bored.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2017, 04:43:08 PM
Sure thing, renocat.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on July 31, 2017, 04:43:38 PM
Because wacky's bored.

you mean 7?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2017, 04:54:34 PM
 :jerk:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on July 31, 2017, 04:56:10 PM
 :jerk:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2017, 04:57:13 PM
Wackycat08, deal with this racist stalker for me
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2017, 04:58:59 PM
It's the worst, man.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on July 31, 2017, 05:04:28 PM
racist stalker

It seems like this is all you can post about me you precious little someone who makes me uncomfortable.  I thought this place would be better than that.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2017, 05:05:12 PM
Oops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on July 31, 2017, 06:56:30 PM
:flush:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on July 31, 2017, 06:57:35 PM
racist stalker

It seems like this is all you can post about me you precious little someone who makes me uncomfortable.  I thought this place would be better than that.
Oops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on July 31, 2017, 06:59:04 PM
False flag
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on July 31, 2017, 07:45:00 PM
Perhaps. I read of an unmasking in another thread but didn't see it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 31, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
racist stalker

It seems like this is all you can post about me you precious little someone who makes me uncomfortable.  I thought this place would be better than that.

Nice try. That's as fake as those trophies to the left of your posts.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on July 31, 2017, 08:40:37 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/e986f3cda38e718a181ce57cfad77fe4/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on August 01, 2017, 09:18:14 AM
Republicat is meow meow, right?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on August 01, 2017, 09:35:23 AM
there's now been three contenders, will there be a fourth?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on August 01, 2017, 09:59:22 AM
i'm glad trump has given people the confidence to let all their horrible ideas out in the open (albeit through a sock, in this case)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2017, 06:01:08 PM
Not just Missouri, but mostly Missouri - naacp

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article164851802.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: meow meow on August 02, 2017, 06:48:50 PM
Republicat is meow meow, right?

interested in how you came to this conclusion
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 02, 2017, 10:32:16 PM
Not just Missouri, but mostly Missouri - naacp

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article164851802.html

Yeah, I got this as a breaking news alert today. I spend a lot of time in Missouri but never ever west of Jackson County. I have been west of Jackson County once in 5 years and that was in the middle of the night. Anyway I completely missed this article.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article153987164.html
And this little tidbit from it:
Black drivers were more likely to be pulled over and more likely to be searched. But they were less likely to be found with contraband in those searches and more likely to be arrested than white drivers across Missouri.

In 2016, black drivers were 75 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers in Missouri. In 2015, black drivers were 69 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers.

So even with the Ferguson stuff and increased scrutiny on racial profiling, the state of Missouri has actually gotten WORSE. WTF?

Anyone or anyone's sock care to try to justify this? Missouri is absolutely the worst.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on August 02, 2017, 10:34:21 PM
Do you mean east of Jackson county?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on August 02, 2017, 10:35:42 PM
Do you mean east of Jackson county?
I think so?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 02, 2017, 10:37:25 PM
Yeah, that
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on August 02, 2017, 10:40:40 PM
Pretty unbelievably bad look for Missouri here
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on August 02, 2017, 10:53:15 PM
You guys are overlooking the obvious hypothesis, here...

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 02, 2017, 11:33:58 PM
 :dubious:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 02, 2017, 11:36:45 PM
Not just Missouri, but mostly Missouri - naacp

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article164851802.html

Yeah, I got this as a breaking news alert today. I spend a lot of time in Missouri but never ever west of Jackson County. I have been west of Jackson County once in 5 years and that was in the middle of the night. Anyway I completely missed this article.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article153987164.html
And this little tidbit from it:
Black drivers were more likely to be pulled over and more likely to be searched. But they were less likely to be found with contraband in those searches and more likely to be arrested than white drivers across Missouri.

In 2016, black drivers were 75 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers in Missouri. In 2015, black drivers were 69 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers.

So even with the Ferguson stuff and increased scrutiny on racial profiling, the state of Missouri has actually gotten WORSE. WTF?

Anyone or anyone's sock care to try to justify this? Missouri is absolutely the worst.
What demographic do you think lives in Jackson?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 02, 2017, 11:38:32 PM
Or east of that?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 02, 2017, 11:39:44 PM
Does east St. Louis get more profiled next? I hope not!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on August 02, 2017, 11:50:38 PM
went to Hermann this spring and was amazed by the number of rebel flags flying from pick-ups and t-shirts

sec move?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 03, 2017, 12:51:28 AM
Wacky, I have no idea what you're hinting at or trying to say.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 03, 2017, 07:01:16 AM
maybe the East West thing confused him?  You mean you don't go east of Jackson Co right?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 03, 2017, 12:03:49 PM
maybe the East West thing confused him?  You mean you don't go east of Jackson Co right?

That was cleared up
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on August 03, 2017, 12:17:53 PM
Wacky, I have no idea what you're hinting at or trying to say.

he is being a racist
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on August 03, 2017, 01:38:04 PM
Wacky, I have no idea what you're hinting at or trying to say.

he is being a racist

i think he was just being blackout drunk
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 03, 2017, 01:55:51 PM
He brought up  Jackson county and I never looked at the article. I figured those numbers were for Jackson alone. So I was like, did they do this study primarily off of Troost? It's no mystery that KCMO is flooded with crime. How in the eff is that being racist when statistics clearly prove that point alone.

Whatever, it's LickNecky. Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on August 03, 2017, 02:04:17 PM
He brought up  Jackson county and I never looked at the article. I figured those numbers were for Jackson alone. So I was like, did they do this study primarily off of Troost? It's no mystery that KCMO is flooded with crime. How in the eff is that being racist when statistics clearly prove that point alone.

Whatever, it's LickNecky. Sorry for the confusion.

see what i mean?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on August 03, 2017, 03:22:54 PM
Not just Missouri, but mostly Missouri - naacp

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article164851802.html

Yeah, I got this as a breaking news alert today. I spend a lot of time in Missouri but never ever west of Jackson County. I have been west of Jackson County once in 5 years and that was in the middle of the night. Anyway I completely missed this article.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article153987164.html
And this little tidbit from it:
Black drivers were more likely to be pulled over and more likely to be searched. But they were less likely to be found with contraband in those searches and more likely to be arrested than white drivers across Missouri.

In 2016, black drivers were 75 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers in Missouri. In 2015, black drivers were 69 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers.

So even with the Ferguson stuff and increased scrutiny on racial profiling, the state of Missouri has actually gotten WORSE. WTF?

Anyone or anyone's sock care to try to justify this? Missouri is absolutely the worst.

I'll take this one hope you don't mind lib...of course you don't lil sock.  Black drivers should be stopped more because it's proven they have a higher percentage of criminals relative to their population.  Go police, good job! 

The reason they're less likely to be found with contraband is they learned where to expertly hide it during previous stints in prison.

It's not racial profiling if the race in question is a violent one.....and if the naacp wants to advance colored people, tell the parents to stop letting their kids listen to gangster rap, stop disrespecting and breaking the law and go to school.....not the hard knocks one.

Any other simple questions to which you already know the answer to?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Gooch on August 03, 2017, 03:24:20 PM
Please stop. This adds nothing to the board.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on August 03, 2017, 03:30:29 PM
It adds the truth and fact.  You not being able to accept that shows you're indirectly part of the problem.  Hope your kids don't get shot or robbed by a thug
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 03, 2017, 03:31:11 PM
T's&p's for gooch's kids
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on August 03, 2017, 03:37:35 PM
T's&p's for gooch's kids

stop stalking me
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 03, 2017, 03:42:18 PM
Actually I think gooch's kids were killed by an old white doctor guy
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on August 03, 2017, 03:47:08 PM
T's&p's for gooch's kids

stop stalking me

love these
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Gooch on August 03, 2017, 03:48:11 PM
Actually I think gooch's kids were killed by an old white doctor guy
British  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 03, 2017, 03:49:05 PM
Immigrants smdh
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on August 03, 2017, 04:09:12 PM
Immigrants are the foundation this country was built on someone who makes me uncomfortable.  Show some respect for them, the risks they took to get here and the ideas and innovations they brought to this great country.  Sheesh racist^7 I expected better of you
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on August 03, 2017, 05:55:29 PM
:flush:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on August 03, 2017, 08:59:49 PM
so wait this..

He brought up  Jackson county and I never looked at the article. I figured those numbers were for Jackson alone. So I was like, did they do this study primarily off of Troost? It's no mystery that KCMO is flooded with crime. How in the eff is that being racist when statistics clearly prove that point alone.

Whatever, it's LickNecky. Sorry for the confusion.

explains this discussion of a city that is not only 250 miles away but in a different state???

Does east St. Louis get more profiled next? I hope not!

gotcha

 :dubious:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 03, 2017, 11:22:20 PM
Not just Missouri, but mostly Missouri - naacp

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article164851802.html

Yeah, I got this as a breaking news alert today. I spend a lot of time in Missouri but never ever west of Jackson County. I have been west of Jackson County once in 5 years and that was in the middle of the night. Anyway I completely missed this article.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article153987164.html
And this little tidbit from it:
Black drivers were more likely to be pulled over and more likely to be searched. But they were less likely to be found with contraband in those searches and more likely to be arrested than white drivers across Missouri.

In 2016, black drivers were 75 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers in Missouri. In 2015, black drivers were 69 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers.

So even with the Ferguson stuff and increased scrutiny on racial profiling, the state of Missouri has actually gotten WORSE. WTF?

Anyone or anyone's sock care to try to justify this? Missouri is absolutely the worst.

I'll take this one hope you don't mind lib...of course you don't lil sock.  Black drivers should be stopped more because it's proven they have a higher percentage of criminals relative to their population.  Go police, good job! 

The reason they're less likely to be found with contraband is they learned where to expertly hide it during previous stints in prison.

It's not racial profiling if the race in question is a violent one.....and if the naacp wants to advance colored people, tell the parents to stop letting their kids listen to gangster rap, stop disrespecting and breaking the law and go to school.....not the hard knocks one.

Any other simple questions to which you already know the answer to?

You are a truly terrible sock, like really really bad. You aren't bad because you are playing a raging racist, that's been done very well by others, you're terrible because you are as intelligent and subtle as a cardboard box.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2017, 08:44:33 AM
so wait this..

He brought up  Jackson county and I never looked at the article. I figured those numbers were for Jackson alone. So I was like, did they do this study primarily off of Troost? It's no mystery that KCMO is flooded with crime. How in the eff is that being racist when statistics clearly prove that point alone.

Whatever, it's LickNecky. Sorry for the confusion.

explains this discussion of a city that is not only 250 miles away but in a different state???

Does east St. Louis get more profiled next? I hope not!

gotcha

 :dubious:
I know you have a hard on for me, but stop being licknecky for once.

I was stating  facts about high profiled crime areas, that just happen to be African American areas. I thought the study was flawed, I was wrong. Move along.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on August 04, 2017, 08:57:46 AM
jackson county MO is 63% white wacky
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2017, 09:02:26 AM
 :dubious:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 04, 2017, 09:05:49 AM
jackson county MO is 63% white wacky

The entire state is only 11% black. Those so called high crime areas that are predominantly black account for well under 1% of the geographical area of the state of Missouri. Clearly none of these factor into the stats I posted so why did wacky bring those up? Why did wacky immediately and haphazardly grab for a reason to explain that lunacy?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on August 04, 2017, 09:08:14 AM
jackson county MO is 63% white wacky

The entire state is only 11% black. Those so called high crime areas that are predominantly black account for well under 1% of the geographical area of the state of Missouri. Clearly none of these factor into the stats I posted so why did wacky bring those up? Why did wacky immediately and haphazardly grab for a reason to explain that lunacy?


i think he was just being blackout drunk
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2017, 09:08:58 AM
And i'm totally racist obvi.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on August 04, 2017, 09:12:32 AM
And i'm totally racist obvi.

only a little bit

I will admit I'm a little bit racist and border line crazy conservative. Your turn LN.  :cheers:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 04, 2017, 09:17:35 AM
Wackycat08 thought the study mir talked about was of eastern Jackson County and that eastern Jackson County is majority black so obviously black people would be pulled over more often. Classic misunderstanding
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2017, 09:18:42 AM
Happy Friday, Mocat!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2017, 09:19:29 AM
Wackycat08 thought the study mir talked about was of eastern Jackson County and that eastern Jackson County is majority black so obviously black people would be pulled over more often. Classic misunderstanding
Yup. Thanks.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on August 05, 2017, 12:33:13 PM
Not just Missouri, but mostly Missouri - naacp

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article164851802.html

Yeah, I got this as a breaking news alert today. I spend a lot of time in Missouri but never ever west of Jackson County. I have been west of Jackson County once in 5 years and that was in the middle of the night. Anyway I completely missed this article.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article153987164.html
And this little tidbit from it:
Black drivers were more likely to be pulled over and more likely to be searched. But they were less likely to be found with contraband in those searches and more likely to be arrested than white drivers across Missouri.

In 2016, black drivers were 75 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers in Missouri. In 2015, black drivers were 69 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers.

So even with the Ferguson stuff and increased scrutiny on racial profiling, the state of Missouri has actually gotten WORSE. WTF?

Anyone or anyone's sock care to try to justify this? Missouri is absolutely the worst.

I'll take this one hope you don't mind lib...of course you don't lil sock.  Black drivers should be stopped more because it's proven they have a higher percentage of criminals relative to their population.  Go police, good job! 

The reason they're less likely to be found with contraband is they learned where to expertly hide it during previous stints in prison.

It's not racial profiling if the race in question is a violent one.....and if the naacp wants to advance colored people, tell the parents to stop letting their kids listen to gangster rap, stop disrespecting and breaking the law and go to school.....not the hard knocks one.

Any other simple questions to which you already know the answer to?

You are a truly terrible sock, like really really bad. You aren't bad because you are playing a raging racist, that's been done very well by others, you're terrible because you are as intelligent and subtle as a cardboard box.

Whatever angry black man. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on August 06, 2017, 11:00:57 PM
 :comeatme:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on August 31, 2017, 10:37:21 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/08/31/remember-we-only-shoot-black-people-georgia-police-officer-told-a-woman-on-camera/?utm_term=.e8612c0a70c3

 :opcat:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 31, 2017, 10:40:26 AM
So weird
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on August 31, 2017, 03:02:20 PM
So weird

yep you're a weirdo and its about time you admitted it
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiet on August 31, 2017, 03:58:36 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/08/31/remember-we-only-shoot-black-people-georgia-police-officer-told-a-woman-on-camera/?utm_term=.e8612c0a70c3

 :opcat:

The guys is obviously being sarcastic, it's unprofessional but very  :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 01, 2017, 02:08:08 PM
nobody died or got shot in this one but cops are just the worst

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/?utm_term=.c3a0c5395140 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/?utm_term=.c3a0c5395140)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 01, 2017, 03:25:08 PM
nobody died or got shot in this one but cops are just the worst

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/?utm_term=.c3a0c5395140 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/?utm_term=.c3a0c5395140)

The problem is that cop was clearly emboldened by obviously terrible SLCPD policy. Even if this dude gets fired, he clearly won't, it happened a year ago, the people who truly caused this to happen are still there.

Also when they shoot one of my people we always hear about a token DOJ civil rights investigation. Well if this woman's civil rights weren't clearly violated, they should just close up that farcical institution as well.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 01, 2017, 03:30:29 PM
it happened July 26
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 01, 2017, 03:33:31 PM
Thanks, I meant a month ago. Not sure what they are waiting to find in their investigation.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on September 01, 2017, 03:34:25 PM
none of this would have happened if the black thug driver who hit this guy didn't try to flee the scene.  So typical yet still so sad.  If they cared as much about themselves as I care for them then they'd get off their butts and contribute to society.  It's hard helping those that don't want help but it's God's will so I will carry that burden.  Sure would be nice if there were some decent people on this site like me who care enough to point out what they can do to be contributing members of society.  Most of you don't care that black people are struggling and need our help.  You just ignore the problem.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 01, 2017, 03:35:28 PM
Trump already basically dismantled the civil rights division of the doj
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on September 01, 2017, 03:36:19 PM
Trump already basically dismantled the civil rights division of the doj

Sweet! :Woot:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 01, 2017, 03:36:55 PM
Thanks, I meant a month ago. Not sure what they are waiting to find in their investigation.

maybe the most shocking part to me was when the nurse's supervisor clearly said "you're making a huge mistake. you're threatening a nurse" which should have been sort of a snap to reality for this dumbstick cop to be like, "yeah i'm in the wrong here" but nope, that's when he lost control completely
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Republicat on September 01, 2017, 03:40:49 PM
Thanks, I meant a month ago. Not sure what they are waiting to find in their investigation.

maybe the most shocking part to me was when the nurse's supervisor clearly said "you're making a huge mistake. you're threatening a nurse" which should have been sort of a snap to reality for this dumbstick cop to be like, "yeah i'm in the wrong here" but nope, that's when he lost control completely

She needs to get over it.  He was trying to solve a crime committed by a black man.  Let the police do their jobs you scoundrel
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 01, 2017, 03:40:59 PM
also the cop's ridiculous skullet
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on September 04, 2017, 10:48:36 AM
This thread is terrifying

https://twitter.com/obarcala/status/903986410352513024
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SdK on September 04, 2017, 11:46:13 AM
I heard that too as well.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: bucket on September 06, 2017, 05:02:40 PM
https://twitter.com/PolkCoSheriff/status/905438240278278144
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2017, 12:11:10 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/us/prison-reform-steve-prator.html

My man is mad they're taking his slaves away, it's 2017
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 13, 2017, 07:23:33 AM
https://twitter.com/PolkCoSheriff/status/905438240278278144

Didn't see this before. What a dick.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 13, 2017, 07:26:40 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/us/prison-reform-steve-prator.html

My man is mad they're taking his slaves away, it's 2017

IMO it's a mistake to make this a race issue as the article seems to be doing. Our prison system is in desperate need of overhaul and comments like this from people in charge show that better than anything.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on October 13, 2017, 09:24:42 AM
That video is disturbing, he should be no where near the prison system
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mhkpasa on October 17, 2017, 01:42:07 PM
http://1350kman.com/pot-arrests-racial-bias-dominate-monday-law-board-meeting/ (http://1350kman.com/pot-arrests-racial-bias-dominate-monday-law-board-meeting/)

An interesting discussion started at Riley law board meeting about weed arrests.

Quote
Marijuana and perceived racial bias in the policing of it dominated the meeting.

“It’s not the fact that the crime is happening,” Cole, a young white male said. “It’s the fact that the stops and arrests are increasing significantly for people of color. And that’s the issue.”

Law board member and Riley County commissioner, Marvin Rodriguez, answered Cole’s remarks.

“Well sir, I have lots of black friends,” Rodriguez began. “They’ve never been stopped.”

Laughter mixed with uncomfortable groans filled the room, but Rodriguez double-downed.

“They’ve never been stopped,” he reiterated.

“That’s tokenism,” Cole responded. “That is tokenism.”

“That’s not,” Rodriquez responded before struggling on what to say next.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on October 17, 2017, 01:50:10 PM
Quote
“For decades, whites have made more than blacks,” he said. “If we look at the most recent year, 2012, on average whites make $57,000 (annually), blacks make $33,0000. Well, how does that then play into the disparity in our arrests for marijuana?

“Well, if you have a lower income, you’re most likely to live in a more compact area — or an apartment complex. So, fair to say that there’s a good possibility that the racial composition of compact areas or apartment complexes is made up more of minorities than whites. So, again, when we’re responding to calls for service of ‘I smell the odor of marijuana’ or ‘I’m hearing loud noise’ or any of these other things I’ve mentioned before, unfortunately there is a race correlation between where we’re responding and the racial composition, and that’s going to lead to a disparity in the arrest for one offense or another based on race, which is going to (relate) with that, the arrest then that we make for marijuana that might arise out that situation.”

Daxplaination at its best
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 17, 2017, 02:00:26 PM
“Well yes enforcement is disproportionate, but that’s only because cops are looking around in minority neighborhoods more often...”

I also wonder how it stacks up when you break down the district’s decisions to actually prosecute violations by race.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: treysolid on November 13, 2017, 10:30:43 PM
man, eff the police

http://digg.com/2017/la-cops-bodycam-cocaine (http://digg.com/2017/la-cops-bodycam-cocaine)

don't need a gun to ruin a man's life
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: bucket on November 14, 2017, 04:34:19 PM
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/930431678903922688
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on December 03, 2017, 09:36:28 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/a-police-killing-without-a-hint-of-racism/546983/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on December 03, 2017, 11:51:43 PM
as with many posters here, the author is totally color blind and tone deaf to the contrast between a cop unjustly killing someone and being arrested and charged with murder and a cop unjustly killing someone and getting off with zero consequences and with a big portion of society not believing the cop did anything wrong.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on December 03, 2017, 11:59:19 PM
i think this is a subversive effort to sell police violence reform to those who are instantly and overwhelmingly triggered by claims of racism in any context. pretty good job i think.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 04, 2017, 11:03:28 AM
Horrific account of that shooting, these rough ridin' cops are completely out of control. That sergeant should be fired too, it seems like that entire protocol is mumped.

The author is 100% correct. I consider myself a part of the black lives matter movement and I agree that while the message needs to be told, we need allies to help make the message acceptable to the masses. I will say though that not everyone who associates themselves with Black Lives Matter will agree.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 08, 2017, 10:28:55 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/a-police-killing-without-a-hint-of-racism/546983/

This cop was found not guilty today.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on December 08, 2017, 10:31:28 AM
That’s insane.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2017, 07:18:38 PM
here's the video, everyone should watch it. cops shouldn't have guns.

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/939014159726870530
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: The Big Train on December 08, 2017, 07:32:41 PM
Wow.  eff that.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on December 08, 2017, 07:39:02 PM
as with many posters here, the author is totally color blind and tone deaf to the contrast between a cop unjustly killing someone and being arrested and charged with murder and a cop unjustly killing someone and getting off with zero consequences and with a big portion of society not believing the cop did anything wrong.

puni, I like you, but I think you're being a bit ignorant here, ironically.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on December 08, 2017, 08:01:54 PM
here's the video, everyone should watch it. cops shouldn't have guns.

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/939014159726870530

Ugh, this is so hard to watch. We surely have a problem in this country, and I agree with the Atlantic writer that framing it solely as a racial issue is not the way to bring change. Dale Gribble got executed for having baggy shorts...
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: hemmy on December 08, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
here's the video, everyone should watch it. cops shouldn't have guns.

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/939014159726870530

Clearly this was rough ridin' murder, but the police were called to the scene because of a report of a suspect with a gun. What the eff would the police do without guns?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2017, 11:18:42 PM


Clearly this was rough ridin' murder, but the police were called to the scene because of a report of a suspect with a gun. What the eff would the police do without guns?

Murder fewer innocent people?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on December 08, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
I’ll be honest: I didn’t watch the video.

I’ll be more honest: especially as a white person this makes me afraid of the police in a way nothing has before.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on December 09, 2017, 02:41:07 AM
that is one of the worst videos I’ve ever seen on the internet
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on December 09, 2017, 02:41:27 AM
Let that sink in
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2017, 03:45:59 AM
I’ll be honest: I didn’t watch the video.

I’ll be more honest: especially as a white person this makes me afraid of the police in a way nothing has before.

I'll be honest, good, it should make you scared. It's mumped what happened to this dude, same crap happened to a 12 year old black kid and the country barely blinked. White people still mock Barack Obama for being affected by the Trayvon Martin shooting, somehow call him a racist because of it. This was Shaun King's most replied to tweet despite his timeline being full of videos and stories of murdered black people.

You can line the Red River with bodies of murdered 12 year old black boys and nothing changes. We need more Justine Damond's and Daniel Shaver's before there can be any hope of substantive change.

It's very easy, for even well meaning liberals, to brush off black people getting slaughtered because our society has provided all of us with rationalizations. "I don't live in that neighborhood." "I would do what the officer told me." Then there are the unspoken thoughts, "I don't deal drugs." "What did he do wrong." "I'm safe because I'm not black."
Black Lives Matter
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on December 09, 2017, 07:18:08 AM
Totally agree MIR. I don’t want to overstate it, but this may be the most important case yet to BLM because it gets white people to empathize in a way many like myself were not completely capable of. They should be waving this around like crazy IMO.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 09, 2017, 09:14:00 AM
Has K-S-U-Dubz weighed in yet? Haven’t beenfollowing the thread but can’t wait for his hot take.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on December 09, 2017, 09:29:46 AM
Look at this obviously I'm going to murder someone asap person

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/939334787080359937
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 09, 2017, 09:58:09 AM
So I don't know if he was fired for etching his gun or some other policy but the jury wasn't allowed to know this was etched on his gun:

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/939336504354181120

https://twitter.com/russkick/status/939383107299377157

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on December 09, 2017, 10:20:24 AM
We need to pay cops more, higher more intelligent ones, train them better, and do brain scans on recruits.  The alternative is give everyone a gun and allow us to shoot each other when deemed necessary without repercussions.  You don't want me to have a gun.  Mad-dog Reno lose in Wichita bad, very bad.
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on December 09, 2017, 11:18:18 AM
Most cops are good enough. It just needs to be a lot easier/ more common for one officer to go “hey Chief, I think officer X is pretty murdery and probably should not be allowed to have a gun ever.” Someone obviously knew about that engraving and did not speak up about it.

Also, I’m not shocked but a little surprised the judge did not let that into evidence since it certainly suggests to me the cop is predisposed to unnecessarily escalating situations (in violation of rules no less).
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on December 09, 2017, 11:20:00 AM
Has K-S-U-Dubz weighed in yet? Haven’t beenfollowing the thread but can’t wait for his hot take.

He’s probably trying to figure out wtf this cop was doing with a hunting rifle.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 09, 2017, 11:57:43 AM
Most cops are good enough. It just needs to be a lot easier/ more common for one officer to go “hey Chief, I think officer X is pretty murdery and probably should not be allowed to have a gun ever.” Someone obviously knew about that engraving and did not speak up about it.

Also, I’m not shocked but a little surprised the judge did not let that into evidence since it certainly suggests to me the cop is predisposed to unnecessarily escalating situations (in violation of rules no less).
I mean, he also had a complaint of use of excessive force filed against him not long before he committed murder
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on December 09, 2017, 12:20:55 PM
I used to think it was just a not paid enough situation but I don't think that's true anymore.  It appears to be a systemic cultural thing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on December 09, 2017, 01:32:55 PM
the idea that we should give gigantic raises to people that go around murdering people more that we want them to is probably the stupidest thing i've ever seen on this message board.  and i read most of ksu-w's posts.

michigan is right.  cops on normal duty should not carry firearms.  and i don't even think that cops going around killing too many people is in the top 5 of shitty things cops do.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2017, 01:56:37 PM
I used to think it was just a not paid enough situation but I don't think that's true anymore.  It appears to be a systemic cultural thing.

It's a tolerance thing, police now are heavily armored robocops who kill with impunity because Americans allow it to happen. Everyone is focused on the regular cop that killed the dude, no one has said dick crap about Sergeant Charles Langley who was the reason all of this happened with how he behaved at the scene. When the people who are supposed to be the leadership can't be composed in that moment, and suffer no consequences, what do you think will happen? Will it surprise any of you if Langley is involved in the shooting of an unarmed person again?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on December 09, 2017, 02:30:15 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/938790299576557570
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 09, 2017, 02:49:31 PM
I used to think it was just a not paid enough situation but I don't think that's true anymore.  It appears to be a systemic cultural thing.

It's a tolerance thing, police now are heavily armored robocops who kill with impunity because Americans allow it to happen. Everyone is focused on the regular cop that killed the dude, no one has said dick crap about Sergeant Charles Langley who was the reason all of this happened with how he behaved at the scene. When the people who are supposed to be the leadership can't be composed in that moment, and suffer no consequences, what do you think will happen? Will it surprise any of you if Langley is involved in the shooting of an unarmed person again?

Well he's retired and in the Philippines now (he was mentioned in one of the articles). Also, it isn't clear from the video that there's SIX officers there and the shooter is not the guy screaming. But you are correct. People wouldn't talk to a disobedient dog the way that guy was screaming in that video. It's definitely a huge part of the problem that makes situations like this more tense than they need to be
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: treysolid on December 13, 2017, 08:08:43 PM
what about a combination or some of the ideas in this thread?

maybe...take guns away from regular patrol cops. they get to carry some combination of nightsticks, tasers, and those shotguns that shoot beanbags. in return for decreasing their personal safety, give them raises (40-50%). guns can only be carried by SWAT units that undergo rigorous and exhaustive training. maybe also make it automatic death penalty to kill a cop. i feel that criminals would be less likely to shoot at a cop knowing that the cop can't use lethal force in return.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: everyone shut up on December 13, 2017, 09:21:25 PM
lol @ automatic death penalty ever becoming a thing
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on December 21, 2017, 04:13:09 PM
i don't even remember hearing about this one. anyway the Olathe cops don't want to release body cam footage of them storming a house and killing a 26 year old female, and now the KC Star is suing them to force them to release it

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article191105004.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article191105004.html)

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on December 21, 2017, 06:33:46 PM
how about that joco family that had their house raided because some former cop busybody sat outside a hydroponics store in the river market, researched the license plates, and reported everyone that went inside as drug dealers.  the joco swat team completely trashed their house with no evidence except they legally bought something at a hydroponics store and a "marijuana substance" was in the trash (spoiler: it was used tea leaves).  sued for damages and a jury gave them NOTHING.

so mumped up
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on December 21, 2017, 07:05:07 PM
how about that joco family that had their house raided because some former cop busybody sat outside a hydroponics store in the river market, researched the license plates, and reported everyone that went inside as drug dealers.  the joco swat team completely trashed their house with no evidence except they legally bought something at a hydroponics store and a "marijuana substance" was in the trash (spoiler: it was used tea leaves).  sued for damages and a jury gave them NOTHING.

so mumped up

Someone signed a search warrant on the premise the resident had been seen at a hydro shop?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on December 21, 2017, 07:12:02 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article50908520.html

newer article from 2017:
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article163500778.html

from 2 days ago:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2017/12/19/jury-rules-against-family-subjected-to-swat-raid-over-loose-leaf-tea/?utm_term=.6085e1bdd2fd
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on December 21, 2017, 07:18:36 PM
Quote
Authorities targeted the Hartes, both former CIA employees, after seeing Robert Harte and his two children leaving a store that sold hydroponic gardening equipment, which is sometimes used to grow marijuana. Johnson County sheriff's deputies found the brewed tea leaves in trash they collected from a curbside receptacle outside their home. An affidavit claimed field tests indicated the leaves were marijuana.

Lowkey outed them as ex cia
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on December 21, 2017, 07:38:55 PM
should have composted.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on December 22, 2017, 09:19:50 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article191200449.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article191200449.html)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on December 22, 2017, 12:09:53 PM
I'm all for giving cops the benefit of the doubt because a lot of their decisions are life or death and have to be made at a moment's notice.

But stuff like this.  ILLEGALLY WITHHOLDING evidence that proves the guy was innocent.  And then still going on the stand and prosecuting the guy all the way to a guilty verdict.  That pisses me off more than just about anything in the world.  I don't get worked up about many things, but this is one that really really gets under my skin.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on December 22, 2017, 12:37:24 PM
Why aren't those cops being charged with perjury at the least?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on December 22, 2017, 01:04:57 PM
i agree with catastrophe, this crap is infuriating. and it seems systemic to police all over the country
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: everyone shut up on December 22, 2017, 01:16:33 PM
the cops and the court system work together. no one is going to find them guilty.
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on December 24, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
7 year old boy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/six-year-old-shot-dead-accident-texas-kameron-prescott-a8127551.html?amp


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: puniraptor on December 28, 2017, 10:03:34 PM
7 year old boy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/six-year-old-shot-dead-accident-texas-kameron-prescott-a8127551.html?amp


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im pretty sure they just blame the person the were trying to shoot at when something like this happens

in this case, a dead and unarmed alleged car thief takes the fall
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 29, 2017, 09:01:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fts7bj-so
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: dal9 on December 29, 2017, 02:24:53 PM
jesus, what a multi-level clusterfuck

https://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192111974.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on January 08, 2018, 08:22:22 PM
no one died, but i enjoyed this story

http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-1616-rubbish.html-2

TLDR, portland police dig through the trash of one of their officers and find some drug crap.  mayor, da, and police chief don't know why everyone is so mad that the police can just go digging through trash without a warrant.  newspaper publishes everything in mayor, da, and police chief's trash and the mayor and police chief get super pissed, threaten to sue. da thinks it's funny
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: stunted on February 07, 2018, 01:26:18 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/06/tennessee-sheriff-caught-on-tape-killing-suspect-lawsuit

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on February 07, 2018, 07:50:38 AM
Disgusting, and still not even close to the level of some of this other crap.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ednksu on March 15, 2018, 06:31:23 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/14/sheriff-who-pocketed-750g-from-inmate-food-fund-bought-beach-house-for-740g.html

Guy notices a check he got for cutting sheriff's grass says something about prison food funds and calls shenanigans.
Guy gets pinched for weed odor and turns out he is holding a bit. Sheriff's office suddenly has a trafficking case even though they didn't arrest him. Well, it wasn't that he had 2.3 lbs of weed (legal limit for trafficking is 2.2 lbs) but 2.3lbs of weed butter. 
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2018/02/man_arrested_on_six_charges_fo.html

Well he got into a diversion program for his bigly weed issues.
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2018/03/man_arrested_after_criticizing.html

But AL.com did some more snooping and started finding more info out about the sheriff.  Turns out this cat was using some archaic law to allow him to keep money meant for prisoner meals, to the tune of $250k over 3 years.  He bought a beach house at $740k.
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2018/03/etowah_sheriff_pocketed_over_7.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on March 26, 2018, 10:23:41 AM
if only they were better paid, perhaps they'd stop harassing and killing people.


https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/03/25/state-police-pay-higher-than-reported-data-hidden-for-years/pl9kAs38FTIy4pOydr08bJ/story.html?event=event25
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on March 28, 2018, 10:06:52 PM
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2018/03/02/texas-officer-strip-searched-woman-public-lawsuit-alleges
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on April 13, 2018, 12:47:00 PM
Well.  I thought I had heard it all.  I generally support the police.  But the following done by the Michigan state police is so egregious.  It appears that they also tried to sweep it under the rug.
http://ux.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2018/04/13/police-video-michigan-state-police-taser/499525002/
15 year old kid on an ATV was being chased by the police.  They pulled up beside him and Tazered him.  You can't operate when you are going spastic from a taser.  He wrecked and died.  Nothing justified this.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on April 27, 2018, 06:34:03 PM
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/989933112262995968
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on April 28, 2018, 01:37:21 AM
Quote
The officers told investigators they tased Trammell because they wanted to get him medical attention, according to records.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on April 28, 2018, 07:05:20 AM
How do you know if someone was tased 18 Times?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on May 03, 2018, 11:33:26 PM
https://twitter.com/BillyCorben/status/992110179859693568
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on May 04, 2018, 12:01:18 AM
gotta make it home safe to your family, ya know
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on May 04, 2018, 06:38:15 AM
Jesus. He should go to jail for that.  Glad there is video
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 04, 2018, 09:16:09 AM
Jesus. He should go to jail for that.  Glad there is video

He won't go to jail for that. He'll get a paid suspension at most.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 04, 2018, 09:41:07 AM
he's doing exactly what drew him to become a cop in the first place
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on May 04, 2018, 09:42:29 AM
That's infuriating.

Oddly enough if a citizen did that to a cop they would be lucky to survive.  But when a cop does that to a citizen, hey NBD.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CHONGS on May 22, 2018, 07:42:08 PM
Driving while black: Police handcuff man over 'vegetation' in his car window - https://bundle.app/jpkJzR8n

Dudes lucky to be alive.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 23, 2018, 06:55:24 PM
https://youtu.be/oPSpmk7S4eg?t=475
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 23, 2018, 06:57:38 PM
bucks statement

https://www.nba.com/bucks/news/bucks-organization-statement-sterling-brown
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on June 06, 2018, 03:17:05 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/video-shows-milwaukee-police-trying-protect-sterling-brown-arrest-170653832.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 10, 2018, 09:14:48 PM
https://wgntv.com/2018/06/22/police-officer-fired-after-traffic-stop-involving-his-daughters-boyfriend/

Any blue lives matter people wanna try to defend this one?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 10, 2018, 09:40:17 PM
Have you ever been to Ohio, bud? It’s like 1/10th the racist scene of Louisiana and that’s saying a lot, I mean, a lot!!! Both trash! Just find it convenient to land this bomb like it hasn’t been happening for years.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 11, 2018, 01:43:32 AM
Would you believe it if I told you I have been to all 50 states? Wow, just wow. Very impressive. I have qatz football road trips and vision quests to thank for that, mostly.
:gocho:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2018, 08:50:54 AM
I'm just the Maine and Delaware away from that too, bud.  :driving: Oh and Idaho and Montana.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on July 11, 2018, 08:56:43 AM
https://wgntv.com/2018/06/22/police-officer-fired-after-traffic-stop-involving-his-daughters-boyfriend/

Any blue lives matter people wanna try to defend this one?

he was fired despite not killing anyone #progress

 :dunno:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on July 11, 2018, 08:51:47 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2018/07/10/an-arkansas-man-complained-about-police-abuse-then-town-officials-ruined-his-life/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f372851dc8c7
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on July 12, 2018, 11:10:12 AM
https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1017055007143813121
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on July 12, 2018, 11:41:02 AM
this dude is awesome.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1017432660208181254
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on July 17, 2018, 02:35:58 PM
like real life GTA V

https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article215011460.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article215011460.html)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on July 17, 2018, 03:19:03 PM
Seems kinda dumb, but not sure if it's thread worthy.  According to the subtitle those dudes were suspected of murder and shot 30+ times at the cops?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 17, 2018, 03:21:49 PM
Seems kinda dumb, but not sure if it's thread worthy.  According to the subtitle those dudes were suspected of murder and shot 30+ times at the cops?

What did the bystanders the cops put in danger by shooting through the windshield of their own moving vehicle do to deserve being put in harm's way?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on July 17, 2018, 03:31:59 PM
Seems kinda dumb, but not sure if it's thread worthy.  According to the subtitle those dudes were suspected of murder and shot 30+ times at the cops?

What did the bystanders the cops put in danger by shooting through the windshield of their own moving vehicle do to deserve being put in harm's way?

i guess we need a thread for police recklessness (not the same thing as police brutality/murder)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on July 17, 2018, 10:10:10 PM
Seems kinda dumb, but not sure if it's thread worthy.  According to the subtitle those dudes were suspected of murder and shot 30+ times at the cops?

What did the bystanders the cops put in danger by shooting through the windshield of their own moving vehicle do to deserve being put in harm's way?

Bystanders were already in harm’s way by the suspects barreling down the streets trying to flee the police. I guess they could just not chase the guys...
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on July 28, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1022926866267688960
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 04, 2018, 10:39:18 PM
Quote
police were responsible for about 8% of all US homicides with adult male victims

https://twitter.com/iwashyna/status/1025758531797045249
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 04, 2018, 11:13:11 PM
Quote
police were responsible for about 8% of all US homicides with adult male victims

https://twitter.com/iwashyna/status/1025758531797045249
Cops shouldn't have guns
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 05, 2018, 12:32:31 AM
Cops shouldn't have guns

has to be the easiest way to quickly ameliorate the problem.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 05, 2018, 09:35:33 AM
Cops shouldn't have guns

has to be the easiest way to quickly ameliorate the problem.
Welp, guns don't kill people, cops kill people

https://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/news/crime_police/article_4489ee48-95f3-11e8-b9f2-c3f1746e0adc.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on August 05, 2018, 10:01:53 AM
ban cops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on August 22, 2018, 12:09:04 AM
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article217073610.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: renocat on August 25, 2018, 08:29:02 PM
Hell fire even whwn you are dead.  Sheesh!
No pervert gay guy better be guarding my carcass.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/revolting/corpse-abuse-memphis-759201
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on September 02, 2018, 02:19:35 AM
https://twitter.com/BoingBoing/status/1036102171320877056
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on September 10, 2018, 01:21:37 PM
Any chance this happens to a white guy?

https://christianchronicle.org/fatal-mistake-harding-graduate-known-for-his-beautiful-singing-voice-killed/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 10, 2018, 01:23:44 PM
Any chance this happens to a white guy?

https://christianchronicle.org/fatal-mistake-harding-graduate-known-for-his-beautiful-singing-voice-killed/

I think it could happen. It's less likely, though.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: treysolid on September 10, 2018, 03:57:33 PM
serious question: why are regular cops (not detectives) allowed to take their service weapons home with them?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on September 10, 2018, 05:04:38 PM
Lots of police departments don't even issue guns, the officer has to provide their own from an approved list.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 17, 2018, 02:22:05 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/oklahoma-police-chief-resigns-over-neo-nazi-ties-gets-job-in-neighboring-police-force?ref=home&via=twitter_page
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on October 05, 2018, 01:08:57 PM
Van Dyke verdict is being read at 1:45. I predict guilty on everything except 1st degree murder
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2018, 01:15:18 PM
I don't see how you could justify aggravated battery with a firearm but not first degree murder. Either it was self defense or it wasn't.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on October 05, 2018, 01:17:38 PM
Could be. The extent of my legal training is considering taking the LSAT for a while.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on October 05, 2018, 02:01:53 PM
Guilty of 2nd degree murder, all 16 counts of aggravated battery with a firearm, not guilty of official misconduct.  Good result, IMO.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2018, 02:08:16 PM
Guilty of 2nd degree murder, all 16 counts of aggravated battery with a firearm, not guilty of official misconduct.  Good result, IMO.

That is weird to me, but I agree with the overall result. Should be in prison for a very long time, anyway.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on October 05, 2018, 02:13:05 PM
Guilty of 2nd degree murder, all 16 counts of aggravated battery with a firearm, not guilty of official misconduct.  Good result, IMO.

That is weird to me, but I agree with the overall result. Should be in prison for a very long time, anyway.

Each count of battery has a mandatory minimum of 6 years, he'll die in jail.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 05, 2018, 02:25:39 PM
Guilty of 2nd degree murder, all 16 counts of aggravated battery with a firearm, not guilty of official misconduct.  Good result, IMO.

That is weird to me, but I agree with the overall result. Should be in prison for a very long time, anyway.

Each count of battery has a mandatory minimum of 6 years, he'll die in jail.

No chance of parole?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on October 05, 2018, 02:30:35 PM
At least 85% must be served. I don't know if there is a chance any of these run concurrently. It's 6-30 for each battery and 4-20 for 2nd.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on October 05, 2018, 03:48:28 PM
Walking back to my hotel late last night and noticed a heavy police presence right next door (City Hall). So I drunkenly approached an officer (I'm white), and it turns out they were bracing for the potential fallout from this. Glad things didn't come to that.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on October 06, 2018, 07:39:33 AM
Walking back to my hotel late last night and noticed a heavy police presence right next door (City Hall). So I drunkenly approached an officer (I'm white), and it turns out they were bracing for the potential fallout from this. Glad things didn't come to that.

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You should mention what city you're in
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on October 06, 2018, 07:49:44 AM
People were really worried. A lot of places in the vicinity of the courthouse shut down and sent people home at 12:45 when they announced that a verdict would be announced at 1:45. Suburban commuters were told to stay home by many companies.  It was a bit eerie riding the uncrowded train home right after work when it is usually packed.

Of course, all of this is being used by some dumbasses to push a theory that the jury was politically rigged:

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on October 06, 2018, 09:05:04 AM
Walking back to my hotel late last night and noticed a heavy police presence right next door (City Hall). So I drunkenly approached an officer (I'm white), and it turns out they were bracing for the potential fallout from this. Glad things didn't come to that.

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You should mention what city you're in
I figured it went without saying, but Chicago.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on November 03, 2018, 11:05:16 PM
Yes'd this too: https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Initiative_940,_Police_Training_and_Criminal_Liability_in_Cases_of_Deadly_Force_Measure_(2018)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1081694157607976961
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on January 06, 2019, 05:45:16 PM
Jfc.

Btw, the dog survived and is expected to recover, despite suffering a shattered jaw.

And the officer was fired.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 05:59:00 PM
i'm not sure "relieved of his duties" means fired.  i hope it does.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on January 06, 2019, 06:01:01 PM
i'm not sure "relieved of his duties" means fired.  i hope it does.
Good point. Could simply mean administrative leave, pending process. Unions make it very difficult to fire cops.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 09:35:17 AM
missouri cops are accidentally shooting and killing each other while presumably drunk

https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article225008865.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article225008865.html)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 09:37:35 AM
finally, some good news.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 09:45:59 AM
missouri cops are accidentally shooting and killing each other while presumably drunk

https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article225008865.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article225008865.html)

i missed the part where 2 of them were on-duty. maybe alcohol was not involved? idk does it seem weird to go to an on-duty officer's house at 1 am, and then have an off-duty officer come over, just to shoot her?

Quote
The woman, officer Katlyn Alix, was off-duty when she was shot at about 1 a.m. Thursday, St. Louis Metropolitan Police Chief John Hayden said, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

....two on-duty male officers “went to one of their homes during their shift,” the Post-Dispatch reported. While those two officers were at the home, the off-duty officer stopped by.
While the three officers were at that home, the woman was shot, police said, according to KMOV. The two on-duty officers took her to the hospital.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: dmartin on January 25, 2019, 10:59:30 AM
missouri cops are accidentally shooting and killing each other while presumably drunk

https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article225008865.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article225008865.html)

i missed the part where 2 of them were on-duty. maybe alcohol was not involved? idk does it seem weird to go to an on-duty officer's house at 1 am, and then have an off-duty officer come over, just to shoot her?

Quote
The woman, officer Katlyn Alix, was off-duty when she was shot at about 1 a.m. Thursday, St. Louis Metropolitan Police Chief John Hayden said, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

....two on-duty male officers “went to one of their homes during their shift,” the Post-Dispatch reported. While those two officers were at the home, the off-duty officer stopped by.
While the three officers were at that home, the woman was shot, police said, according to KMOV. The two on-duty officers took her to the hospital.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on January 26, 2019, 02:53:55 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/26/us/st-louis-police-officer-charged-in-killing/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/26/us/st-louis-police-officer-charged-in-killing/index.html)

It turns out they were just playing Russian Roulette.  A totally reasonable and believeable explanation!   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on January 26, 2019, 04:54:15 PM
Whoa
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on January 26, 2019, 06:45:36 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/26/us/st-louis-police-officer-charged-in-killing/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/26/us/st-louis-police-officer-charged-in-killing/index.html)

It turns out they were just playing Russian Roulette.  A totally reasonable and believeable explanation!   :rolleyes:

Please cross post to responsible gun owner thread
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on February 03, 2019, 08:58:46 AM
https://twitter.com/PowerLisaDoyle/status/1091410176240992256?s=19

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/01/white-officer-uses-black-history-month-captions-snapchat-mock-woman-whose-car-he-impounded/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/01/white-officer-uses-black-history-month-captions-snapchat-mock-woman-whose-car-he-impounded/)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: treysolid on February 03, 2019, 10:30:09 AM
For all of the other problems with social media, it has probably been the most effective tool ever created to unmask racists
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on February 03, 2019, 02:33:02 PM
https://twitter.com/ninjaeconomics/status/1091456716988764160?s=21


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on February 08, 2019, 09:46:58 AM
thread.

https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1093727281141501952
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: treysolid on February 08, 2019, 12:12:49 PM
thread.

https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1093727281141501952

They need to start looking into all possible connections between the police officers and the deceased. This kinda smells like a hit. Otherwise, why fake a controlled buy to get a warrant to go raid the house of a random dude you don't know?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on February 09, 2019, 03:37:37 PM
https://twitter.com/cjciaramella/status/1094301559096266752
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on March 10, 2019, 03:45:08 PM
Totally normal things

https://twitter.com/chitownlawyer/status/1104787956911480833?s=21
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on March 16, 2019, 05:25:10 PM
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1106980231754207232
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on March 16, 2019, 06:46:02 PM
https://twitter.com/jerryiannelli/status/1106653693687070722
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2019, 06:08:03 PM
https://twitter.com/MNPDNashville/status/1107749894624821248
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on April 11, 2019, 11:27:21 AM
https://twitter.com/alexisgoldstein/status/1116315438961631233?s=19

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on April 11, 2019, 11:32:50 AM
On the radio this morning there was a story about how police departments all over the country are having big struggles with recruitment. One of the factors, according to the mission hills cop guy, is the public perception of police is at the lowest level in history or something. Hmm, I wonder why.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on April 11, 2019, 12:05:13 PM
The thing is, I'm not sure if the perception is due to (1) actual incidents being more prevalent or (2) publicity of these incidents is more prevalent.

Maybe both?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on April 11, 2019, 12:21:11 PM
Definitely #2. Black people have been saying this about cops for as long as there have been black people and cops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on April 11, 2019, 12:45:24 PM
Cell phone videos have made a massive difference in exposing shitty behavior.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 12, 2019, 02:22:12 AM
Cell phone videos have made a massive difference in exposing shitty behavior.

Not rough ridin' close to enough of a difference. The Rodney King video was shot 28 years ago.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on May 11, 2019, 03:04:41 PM
Cell phone videos have made a massive difference in exposing shitty behavior.

Sometimes they even show positive outcomes

https://twitter.com/only_onela/status/1127075987836100609?s=21


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on May 11, 2019, 03:22:39 PM
lol
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: chum1 on May 13, 2019, 03:28:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ScottHech/status/1127223056785502208
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 13, 2019, 09:30:17 PM
Cell phone videos have made a massive difference in exposing shitty behavior.

Sometimes they even show positive outcomes

https://twitter.com/only_onela/status/1127075987836100609?s=21


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They're definitely taking crap for granted, Philando Castile.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 13, 2019, 09:39:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ScottHech/status/1127223056785502208

https://twitter.com/ScottHech/status/1127231214027337729
David Prater is the Oklahoma County DA, he was a pig for 20 years. He's cool with his storm troopers hunting black boys without impunity. I have cousins and nephews that live in that god forsaken place.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: chum1 on May 14, 2019, 08:28:19 PM
https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1128322386267394049
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on May 14, 2019, 11:52:23 PM
https://twitter.com/haaohaoo/status/1128320075734376448
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on May 23, 2019, 04:32:09 PM
Hey, there’s a brown guy minding his own business. Better eff with him.

https://twitter.com/psychologydoc/status/1131245733493915648?s=21


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on June 10, 2019, 07:03:50 PM
Not just Missouri, but mostly Missouri - naacp

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article164851802.html

Yeah, I got this as a breaking news alert today. I spend a lot of time in Missouri but never ever west of Jackson County. I have been west of Jackson County once in 5 years and that was in the middle of the night. Anyway I completely missed this article.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article153987164.html
And this little tidbit from it:
Black drivers were more likely to be pulled over and more likely to be searched. But they were less likely to be found with contraband in those searches and more likely to be arrested than white drivers across Missouri.

In 2016, black drivers were 75 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers in Missouri. In 2015, black drivers were 69 percent more likely to be stopped than white drivers.

So even with the Ferguson stuff and increased scrutiny on racial profiling, the state of Missouri has actually gotten WORSE. WTF?

Anyone or anyone's sock care to try to justify this? Missouri is absolutely the worst.

https://www.apnews.com/debfdf8cd570421fb4bf7f385df4a87f

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JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — A report from Missouri’s attorney general shows that black drivers across the state are 91% more likely than white motorists to be pulled over by police and newly collected data shows that African-Americans are even more likely to be stopped in many communities where they live.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on June 11, 2019, 12:40:42 PM
Hey, there’s a brown guy minding his own business. Better eff with him.

https://twitter.com/psychologydoc/status/1131245733493915648?s=21


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It is almost too laughable to seem real. More like a caricature.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 11, 2019, 12:52:55 PM
https://twitter.com/haaohaoo/status/1128320075734376448

That's some high grade bullshit right there.

Hope that cop was suspended or fired.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on June 16, 2019, 10:39:17 AM
https://twitter.com/qasimrashid/status/1139922742046838785?s=21
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on June 16, 2019, 11:17:27 AM
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/14/18679598/facebook-hate-groups-law-enforcement-police-officers-racism-islamaphobia
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on June 19, 2019, 05:27:51 AM
https://twitter.com/rileycountypd/status/1140783624184373248?s=21

Judging by the replies, much of gE has seen this already, but still worth posting
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on June 19, 2019, 08:09:05 AM
Disgusting
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on June 19, 2019, 09:16:23 AM
Looks like RCPD is getting serious about stopping FPD lawn orgies.

Real talk tho, this is awful.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on June 23, 2019, 08:11:45 PM
https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1142503528188919808?s=21


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 01, 2019, 03:04:58 AM
These DAs in bed with the cops are the real issue here. Start locking these motherfuckers up, and not just the Muslims who kill pretty blonde women.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/30/gonna-kill-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-final-minutes-tony-timpas-life
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 03, 2019, 07:33:53 AM
https://twitter.com/fox4/status/1157409690818494465?s=21


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 04, 2019, 09:19:22 PM
https://twitter.com/fox4/status/1157409690818494465?s=21


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Shouldn't the first qualification of being a cop is not being afraid of every rough ridin' thing in existence? Completely ignoring the fact that he murdered a woman, he completely emptied a clip on a goddamned dog.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on August 04, 2019, 09:21:39 PM
Yeah, there’s a very terrified little person inside a lot of cops (and a lot of gun people)


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2019, 12:02:26 AM
A Fort Worth Cop Killed A Black Woman Inside Her Home After Her Neighbor Called Police Because Her Door Was Open
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/fort-worth-police-killed-black-woman-inside-her-home

They're not going to release this dudes name until he has a chance to scrub his social media
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2019, 09:08:41 AM
https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1183294504276779014
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on October 13, 2019, 12:51:38 PM
cops shouldn't have guns
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 13, 2019, 03:29:11 PM
We don't need cops, get rid of them, they kill too many people
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on October 13, 2019, 08:14:50 PM
cops shouldn't have guns

We don't need cops, get rid of them, they kill too many people

people used to lol @ me 10-15 years ago.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 13, 2019, 09:37:47 PM
We don't need cops, get rid of them, they kill too many people

I'm down. I have never been helped by a cop and I hope no one calls one for me least I end up dead like this woman did.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 14, 2019, 08:17:55 AM
Police presence is probably the only thing keeping all of the good guys with guns from going on murdering rampages.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiet on October 14, 2019, 08:37:02 AM
We could do just fine with the National Guard and save tons of money.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on October 14, 2019, 12:01:13 PM
cops shouldn't have guns

I'm starting to come around on this line of thinking. Too many of them have absolutely no business carrying a firearm.  Give them some non-lethal options and call it good.

We could do just fine with the National Guard and save tons of money.

Bad idea IMO.  The militarization of the police is part of the problem.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 14, 2019, 08:33:02 PM
Guyger should have gotten 20 to 25 minimum.

This guy should get 30 plus minimum.






Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on October 14, 2019, 08:51:07 PM
So, the cop in Fort Worth was charged with murder.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2019, 09:51:25 PM
Guyger should have gotten 20 to 25 minimum.

This guy should get 30 plus minimum.

I was okay with her sentence.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 14, 2019, 10:06:21 PM
Murder is not enough
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2019, 10:07:51 AM
Guyger should have gotten 20 to 25 minimum.

This guy should get 30 plus minimum.

I was okay with her sentence.

Agreed. She’s clearly a terrible cop, and maybe not an awesome person, but 10 years is plenty enough for punitive effect and she’s not exactly a danger to society going forward.

I don’t know all the facts for the Ft. Worth cop, but the problem in this one seems much more institutional than individual. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got a lighter sentence, but he def needs to no longer be a cop, and that police force needs a SERIOUS overhaul if they can produce a cop who even thinks it’s a good idea to shoot someone in their home during a “check it out” type call.

Also really disturbing the PD apparently released photos of a gun found in the house to try to provide some cya. I hope a civil suit is available.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 15, 2019, 10:27:21 AM
As far as the Guyger case goes I guess I'll need to get some more details, but I don't see how walking into a man's home and just blowing him away because you were "confused" merits just 10 years.   

As far as this latest situation goes, it's not acceptable, a strong message has to be sent.  I know cops, I know it's a hard job, but that officer gave that poor woman no chance, he did not announce himself or his intent.   Anyone that encounters someone unexpectedly on their property at 2:30 in the morning is going to be flustered and surprised at first and need a moment to figure out what's going on.   

Two innocent people gunned down in their own home for doing nothing but being in their own home. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CHONGS on October 15, 2019, 10:39:43 AM
The police are a reflection of the society they exist in.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2019, 10:59:55 AM
As far as the Guyger case goes I guess I'll need to get some more details, but I don't see how walking into a man's home and just blowing him away because you were "confused" merits just 10 years.   

What’s the benefit to giving her 20 or 30 or 40 years instead?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 15, 2019, 11:15:52 AM
I think 10 years is probably enough for most murders, honestly.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on October 15, 2019, 11:27:19 AM
I think 10 years is probably enough for most murders, honestly.

Most? No way. Some? Sure.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 15, 2019, 11:36:46 AM
I can see it from both perspectives,  If you murder my family member I want you to get life in prison but if my family member murders you I think he can rehabilitate and pay his debt to society in 10 years.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
Guyger should have gotten 20 to 25 minimum.

This guy should get 30 plus minimum.

I was okay with her sentence.

Agreed. She’s clearly a terrible cop, and maybe not an awesome person, but 10 years is plenty enough for punitive effect and she’s not exactly a danger to society going forward.

I don’t know all the facts for the Ft. Worth cop, but the problem in this one seems much more institutional than individual. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got a lighter sentence, but he def needs to no longer be a cop, and that police force needs a SERIOUS overhaul if they can produce a cop who even thinks it’s a good idea to shoot someone in their home during a “check it out” type call.

Also really disturbing the PD apparently released photos of a gun found in the house to try to provide some cya. I hope a civil suit is available.

No, just no. This was an on duty officer who approached his job differently because of the neighborhood it was in. You can make a very easy case for first degree murder here, if he saw someone in that house he was going to shoot. It was obvious how he and his partner drove to the house and all of their actions leading up to the shooting. It was a welfare check. Policing is obviously screwed up, this dude doesn't get to use that as an out here.

He needs to be sentenced exactly like someone who lives in that neighborhood would if they just walked up to a window and shot someone in the chest after looking right at them. That being said I completely change my mind about Guyer. If Botham Jean shot her in the same manner, he isn't getting 10 years. These storm troopers need to stop being able to use their badge as a shield for lawlessness.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2019, 01:03:22 PM
The fact he was on duty gets him a ton of get out of jail free cards that Gueyger didn’t have. I get where you’re coming from, and I’d be in favor of laws making it easier to prosecute this type of conduct, but that’s not the system we’re living in.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on October 15, 2019, 01:08:42 PM
I think 10 years is probably enough for most murders, honestly.

i agree, but as long as we're giving civilians longer sentences, i don't want cops getting relatively shorter sentences.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 15, 2019, 01:10:35 PM
I think 10 years is probably enough for most murders, honestly.

i agree, but as long as we're giving civilians longer sentences, i don't want cops getting relatively shorter sentences.

Yeah, the cops should get sentenced just like everyone else. I was speaking generally.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2019, 01:52:25 PM
I think 10 years is probably enough for most murders, honestly.

i agree, but as long as we're giving civilians longer sentences, i don't want cops getting relatively shorter sentences.

I'd agree if we actually had a rehabilitation system, but we don't. With recidivism rates what they are we can't be letting murders out of jail in a decade.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2019, 01:59:21 PM
Recidivism rates for murderers to commit another murder are somewhere between 1-3%.

https://www.academia.edu/25838194/Homicide_offender_recidivism_A_review_of_the_literature (Section 3.1)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on October 15, 2019, 02:11:55 PM
Make sure you're all checking what the actual crimes are state to state and what the sentencing guidelines are in each state.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2019, 02:14:39 PM
Recidivism rates for murderers to commit another murder are somewhere between 1-3%.

https://www.academia.edu/25838194/Homicide_offender_recidivism_A_review_of_the_literature (Section 3.1)

What about other serious crimes though? Of course it's tough to kill people, even if you're a sociopath, you still need opportunity to murder someone. Recidivism is much more about how we treat prisoners in jail and when they're released.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2019, 02:22:10 PM
Same section says recidivism of murderers to commit a violent crime is 2-16% depending on the type of homicide.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 15, 2019, 02:23:25 PM
I am actually kind of torn, as I stated earlier I don't think we need cops but I also want murderers to go to prison for life,  the problem is since we don't have cops we don't really need a judicial system either so I guess I can't have it both ways.   :curse:

I also want my cousin to get off in 10 years if he kills someone cuz is he really going to learn any more of a lesson than he did in the first 10 years?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 15, 2019, 02:24:05 PM
And I agree our system should be much more focused on rehabilitation, but the vast majority of “recidivism” is parole violations and non-violent drug offenses, so it has just as much to do with policy on the back end.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2019, 02:54:27 PM
I am actually kind of torn, as I stated earlier I don't think we need cops but I also want murderers to go to prison for life,  the problem is since we don't have cops we don't really need a judicial system either so I guess I can't have it both ways.   :curse:

I also want my cousin to get off in 10 years if he kills someone cuz is he really going to learn any more of a lesson than he did in the first 10 years?

Obviously you need police or some entity to serve in that role. They don't need guns and tanks. You can have a judicial system without police.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on October 15, 2019, 03:03:53 PM
I am actually kind of torn, as I stated earlier I don't think we need cops but I also want murderers to go to prison for life,  the problem is since we don't have cops we don't really need a judicial system either so I guess I can't have it both ways.   :curse:

I also want my cousin to get off in 10 years if he kills someone cuz is he really going to learn any more of a lesson than he did in the first 10 years?

Obviously you need police or some entity to serve in that role. They don't need guns and tanks. You can have a judicial system without police.
Regarding your last sentence, how? Judges just do everything?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 15, 2019, 06:01:28 PM
I am actually kind of torn, as I stated earlier I don't think we need cops but I also want murderers to go to prison for life,  the problem is since we don't have cops we don't really need a judicial system either so I guess I can't have it both ways.   :curse:

I also want my cousin to get off in 10 years if he kills someone cuz is he really going to learn any more of a lesson than he did in the first 10 years?

Obviously you need police or some entity to serve in that role. They don't need guns and tanks. You can have a judicial system without police.
Regarding your last sentence, how? Judges just do everything?

What I meant by that is police how they are currently constituted in most of the western world. There would need to be some mechanism in place round up perceived law breakers. In this pipe dream the actual police as a body aren't the real issue but the latitude in which the criminal justice system gives them.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 15, 2019, 06:28:46 PM
I am actually kind of torn, as I stated earlier I don't think we need cops but I also want murderers to go to prison for life,  the problem is since we don't have cops we don't really need a judicial system either so I guess I can't have it both ways.   :curse:

I also want my cousin to get off in 10 years if he kills someone cuz is he really going to learn any more of a lesson than he did in the first 10 years?

Obviously you need police or some entity to serve in that role. They don't need guns and tanks. You can have a judicial system without police.
Regarding your last sentence, how? Judges just do everything?

What I meant by that is police how they are currently constituted in most of the western world. There would need to be some mechanism in place round up perceived law breakers. In this pipe dream the actual police as a body aren't the real issue but the latitude in which the criminal justice system gives them.

yep
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on October 15, 2019, 08:34:35 PM
Ironically, it is the judges who have crafted and refined concepts such as qualified immunity that effectively insulate most cops from liability for their actions. Congress could act to supercede the courts, however, so there's still hope. But, will they? Unlikely. That's a discrete and sizable voting bloc
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 15, 2019, 09:42:37 PM
Mir, kick this dudes ass that is trying to make it look like we don't know wtf we're talking about....
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 31, 2019, 10:19:08 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-federal-court-rules-police-dept-owes-homeowner-nothing-after-swat-destroys-his-house

seems reasonable
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on October 31, 2019, 10:34:53 AM
At least they got the shoplifter
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on October 31, 2019, 11:03:06 AM
That shoplifter probably got away with tens of dollars worth of stuff so destroying a $580k house seems like a totally appropriate and measured response.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on December 06, 2019, 09:04:27 AM
https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/1202961963137093632
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on December 06, 2019, 09:04:45 AM
Did the cops not realize the UPS driver was in the truck?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: PurpleOil on December 06, 2019, 10:40:23 AM
Even if they didn't, they're using random people's cars as cover, while the cars are still occupied. The only people they're protecting in that scenario is themselves.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 06, 2019, 04:54:56 PM
https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/1202961963137093632

This tweet, although a reply to what SD posted, has little else to do with the topic at hand. I just love the display name and the subject matter of the tweet

https://twitter.com/FlyThaiMMA/status/1202964903943950338
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on December 22, 2019, 02:20:48 PM
Wanted man was already in jail when agents raided his former home and shot woman inside

https://www.fox10tv.com/news/mobile_county/wanted-man-was-already-in-jail-when-agents-raided-his/article_a650cf04-22bd-11ea-9246-0bbf3725f06f.html?fbclid=IwAR0dEK97OngJBgxmd2NSi4CNiEXXfDir7QoL1FCPZuGrkcTaeuiCP7j1fh0.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 22, 2019, 08:37:28 PM
I thought this was bumped because of the cops killing a disabled man with a choke hold because he couldn't get out of his car fast enough. Now I gotta go find that link.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 22, 2019, 08:52:40 PM
Found it
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/12/20/david-ward-incustody-death-video-sonoma-county-sheriff/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on December 22, 2019, 08:58:32 PM
Ugh
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on December 23, 2019, 08:17:40 AM
https://twitter.com/KerrrryC/status/1208514877003710464?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on December 30, 2019, 12:13:23 PM
https://www.ksnt.com/news/top-stories/mcdonalds-owner-says-video-shows-their-employee-didnt-insult-herington-officer/.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 30, 2019, 01:09:57 PM
That cop must really hate himself.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on December 30, 2019, 01:13:08 PM
Cops love pretending to be insulted by minimum wage workers.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ChiComCat on December 30, 2019, 02:35:58 PM
These cops pretending to be victims is why I have trouble believing them in real instances.  I hope they prosecute him to the fullest extent.  The media needs to stop believing/spreading these stories until the whole truth comes out.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 31, 2019, 07:47:23 AM
Spoiler: they aren’t going to prosecute crap.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ChiComCat on December 31, 2019, 08:28:52 AM
Spoiler: they aren’t going to prosecute crap.

I was just saying all the crap that you hear when someone fabricates a racist incident.

Also, the cop apparently doesn't work there anymore.  Hard to tell if he was fired or resigned
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on December 31, 2019, 08:30:36 AM
Lighten up assholes, it was just a joke
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on December 31, 2019, 11:52:28 AM
https://www.ksnt.com/news/local-news/chief-officer-fired-for-making-up-coffee-cup-incident/.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on December 31, 2019, 12:41:22 PM
https://www.ksnt.com/news/local-news/chief-officer-fired-for-making-up-coffee-cup-incident/.


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Hornaday said the 23-year-old officer was with the department for two months, lives in Junction City and previously served in the U.S. Army as a military police officer for five years.

Shocking

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 31, 2019, 01:53:22 PM
In all seriousness it would have been less likely that he'd been fired if he straight up murdered someone who worked at McDonald's
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on January 01, 2020, 11:01:25 PM
Yeah, that isn't embarrassing to the public. Murder can be justified, lying can't.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on January 23, 2020, 10:22:20 AM
On the bright side, he wasn't killed by the police (yet)

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/01/23/tcf-bank-race-discrimination-case-sauntore-thomas/4546199002/

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First, the Detroiter sued his employer alleging racial discrimination in a lawsuit that settled confidentially. Then he went to the bank this week to cash his settlement check, but the Livonia bank refused to cash or deposit his check. Instead, they called the cops and initiated a fraud investigation — actions that dumbfounded Thomas and his lawyer, triggering another lawsuit.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on January 23, 2020, 10:34:07 AM
Pretty good press there for Chase Bank, which I am proud to call MY BANK.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on January 23, 2020, 10:47:03 AM
Not really sure what this has to do with police but yeah this is shitty behavior.

She then walked away to a back area to "call in the checks," but before leaving, she asked Thomas: "How did you get this money?"  eff off lady.

However I did laugh at this:
Thomas closed his TCF account that day and left the premises.

Because earlier in the article:
his bank account, which, Wennerberg said, had only 52 cents in it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on January 23, 2020, 07:44:08 PM
Not really sure what this has to do with police but yeah this is shitty behavior.

She then walked away to a back area to "call in the checks," but before leaving, she asked Thomas: "How did you get this money?"  eff off lady.

However I did laugh at this:
Thomas closed his TCF account that day and left the premises.

Because earlier in the article:
his bank account, which, Wennerberg said, had only 52 cents in it.

That spokesman should be fired for disclosing that man's balance. I hope that quote is in the lawsuit, what a shitty thing to do.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on January 28, 2020, 09:28:26 PM
note to cops, don't handcuff the people you want to murder before murdering them.

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1222353016155598848
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on January 28, 2020, 10:08:42 PM
If that description is accurate, that’s not even a BLM thing. That cop is seriously mentally unstable and needs serious treatment during what should be serious detention.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on January 28, 2020, 10:11:45 PM
note to cops, don't handcuff the people you want to murder before murdering them.

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1222353016155598848

I wonder what the percentage is of regular cops vs. cops who become cops at least partly to eff up (and potentially kill) people. It's probably low, but still significant.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2020, 10:51:42 AM
Alright, time to get this fired up again. Cops can't help themselves this is dog bites man at this point. The focus should really be on the spineless districts attorney who allow this to continue, unchecked.

A thread
https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1228191710011744256
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2020, 10:52:36 AM
And another

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-police-respond-teen-s-seizure-handcuffing-pushing-him-squad-n1129971
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on February 14, 2020, 11:06:46 AM
That’s insane
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2020, 11:08:54 AM
What in the world.

The only good thing about the Maryland one is that the cop was charged with murder within 24 hours.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on February 23, 2020, 08:56:11 PM
https://twitter.com/GeorgeFoster72/status/1231573648131215362
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2020, 12:53:01 PM
https://twitter.com/TheVelvetRope__/status/1235391987332702208
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on March 05, 2020, 01:02:18 PM
https://twitter.com/TheVelvetRope__/status/1235391987332702208
Jesus...
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on May 06, 2020, 10:42:41 AM
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-shows-lapd-officer-striking-man-repeatedly-in-boyle-heights-prompts-investigation/

If you can eventually get past the disgusting part, lol at the cop throwing down his shades in frustration after whiffing on a handcuffed stationary dude multiple times.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 06, 2020, 04:40:56 PM
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-shows-lapd-officer-striking-man-repeatedly-in-boyle-heights-prompts-investigation/

If you can eventually get past the disgusting part, lol at the cop throwing down his shades in frustration after whiffing on a handcuffed stationary dude multiple times.

What a bitch made pussy. I'd like to see this dude in an actual fight.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 06, 2020, 04:41:57 PM
And yes trim, him spiking his glasses is hilarious. The clown was all the way out of control.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on May 06, 2020, 04:55:32 PM
Wtf. At one point towards the end the male cop rears back his hand so as to sucker punch him again, and the female cop places the male cop's hand back on the suspect's back, as if to say, "No more of that..." She clearly understood even in the heat of the moment that he was out of line.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 07, 2020, 09:54:50 AM
uhhhhhhh

https://twitter.com/CMichaelHuntley/status/1258372929190006784

you can find the full video pretty easily but here's the aftermath

https://twitter.com/Oskaer__13/status/1258230574608601088
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 13, 2020, 07:35:55 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/breonna-taylor-died-she-wasnt-120014358.html


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 13, 2020, 12:03:35 PM
That link doesn't work so here's another, this is disgusting. I can't believe they charged her boyfriend.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-woman-shot-killed-after-kentucky-police-entered-her-home-n1205651
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on May 13, 2020, 12:34:54 PM
That link doesn't work so here's another, this is disgusting. I can't believe they charged her boyfriend.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-woman-shot-killed-after-kentucky-police-entered-her-home-n1205651

arrived at the house looking for a suspect who lived in a different part of the city and was already in police custody.

Infuriating.  Also these no-knock raids have to stop.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 15, 2020, 10:57:01 AM
'Merica, always trying to vilify the victim.

https://twitter.com/wave3news/status/1261080100797403136?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 15, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
'Merica, always trying to vilify the victim.

https://twitter.com/wave3news/status/1261080100797403136?s=20

This is the clearest case of intentional victim vilification I have ever seen. Literally the only thing in that article is that she quit and the employer deemed that she wasn't eligible for rehire. There is no way to stretch that to make it the least bit newsworthy. Their motivation here is very transparent and I will be shocked if it doesn't cost someone their job.

https://twitter.com/NataliaWAVE3/status/1260709215435448322
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 15, 2020, 12:10:52 PM
Did she delete the list of facts? 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on May 15, 2020, 12:43:29 PM
It’s like a joke I would make if I had zero facts to support my stance. Hard to tell if she’s trolling.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: ChiComCat on May 15, 2020, 12:48:57 PM
https://twitter.com/TheVelvetRope__/status/1235391987332702208

I was curious on this and looked through the twitter feed.  The cop thought he was smoking a blunt in the park.
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on May 15, 2020, 07:25:05 PM
That whole thing is sick

Edit: Meant the Breonna Taylor stuff, not the also shitty Brooklyn undercover cop stuff
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 15, 2020, 07:56:16 PM
Did she delete the list of facts?

She never listed them. She was trending on Twitter for a bit today and I think her employer WAVE 3 still is. Apparently she's known as the reporter in Louisville who carries the water for the Louisville PD, this isn't the first time she's trashed the alleged victim of police brutality and she's also went after other cops who have reported improprieties. Here's the kicker about her. Back in February a long time producer left the station at night. He saw two people in a car and called the cops. It turns out that the two people in this unmarked car was this "reporter" and a Louisville cop. The cop didn't go though the proper channels to talk to the media and he was reprimanded. She claimed his cop was a source for a story and because the producer burned the source, he was fired.

That seems much more relevant than this woman who quit a job and was ineligible for rehire.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 19, 2020, 06:59:46 AM
https://twitter.com/shoeshine/status/1262124973256105984?s=21.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 19, 2020, 10:54:39 PM
That's rough ridin' sick.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 26, 2020, 10:04:25 AM
https://twitter.com/JOEL9ONE/status/1265286175205490689?s=20


https://twitter.com/JOEL9ONE/status/1265286187255771136?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on May 26, 2020, 12:07:17 PM
no words

https://twitter.com/KeaonDousti/status/1265164353940205568
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on May 26, 2020, 03:58:08 PM
Yeah seems like quite the litmus test for whether we are even capable for holding police to account.

If the cop isn’t convicted of at least manslaughter and the others as accessories then legislators need to rewrite the rules. It’s terrifying to even be concerned they could walk away without criminal charges.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2020, 04:03:22 PM
I doubt the cop is convicted of anything, and rewriting the rules would be even less likely.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on May 26, 2020, 04:08:58 PM
Then get new legislators. I mean yeah it’s a process but my word.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 26, 2020, 11:05:56 PM
Regular old MAGA hat just wasn't racist enough

***REMOVED BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS A FAKE***
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 26, 2020, 11:19:44 PM
There's guys like this in every police department, it wouldn't be hard to weed them out either, but there's no interest in that. Systematic racism allows this ticking time bomb to go off every day. It took a rando on twitter a couple of hours at most to find out this guy was unfit to be on the streets.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on May 27, 2020, 07:58:44 AM
I think that MWGA hat pic isn’t legit. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 27, 2020, 08:03:14 AM
I think that MWGA hat pic isn’t legit.
I think you're right
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 27, 2020, 02:36:29 PM
Cops shouldn't have guns. Even if they don't use them!

https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1265708807071698945
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 27, 2020, 09:16:24 PM
The storm troopers must have felt restless not being able to harass people for two months, they've lost their minds, nationwide.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-cop-fired-saying-unfortunate-more-black-people-didn-t-n1215451

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A Louisiana police officer was fired over a Facebook comment that said it was "unfortunate" more black people did not die of the coronavirus.

The chief of police in Kaplan, about 87 miles southwest of Baton Rouge, said Officer Steven Aucoin commented under a local news station's live feed of the governor's coronavirus news conference on May 15. Aucoin was fired later that day.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 28, 2020, 01:59:12 AM
At the protests in LA today.

https://twitter.com/_87th__/status/1265829911626801153
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on May 28, 2020, 08:05:13 AM
I'm not sure if people have seen this video that leads up to the video where Floyd is killed, but crap he is in handcuffs three minutes before he is moved across the street and put on the pavement.  Anything short of murder would (will) be an injustice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKV7Mi9YUAQ
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on May 28, 2020, 09:26:18 AM
At the protests in LA today.

https://twitter.com/_87th__/status/1265829911626801153

thats great
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on May 28, 2020, 09:26:39 AM
I'm not sure if people have seen this video that leads up to the video where Floyd is killed, but crap he is in handcuffs three minutes before he is moved across the street and put on the pavement.  Anything short of murder would (will) be an injustice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKV7Mi9YUAQ

GAH
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 28, 2020, 09:36:09 AM
i didn't see sgt MWGA in that video, did he just show up later looking to kill somebody?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 28, 2020, 09:39:54 AM
FTR, that wasn't the cop in the MWGA hat.  That was an entirely different piece of crap. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 28, 2020, 12:55:06 PM
As we sit here with none of these four guys arrested, it's always important to not let the DAs off the hook when these things happen. Cops gonna cop but as long as there isn't anyone willing to check them, things will never change.

Dr. Kavanagh is the best follow on Twitter (social justice category)
https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1265520080022052866
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 28, 2020, 03:25:25 PM
Man, Dems have some real crap stain former prosecutors holding prominent positions within the party.

SMDH

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 28, 2020, 05:24:16 PM
Man, Dems have some real crap stain former prosecutors holding prominent positions within the party.

SMDH

Don't you profess to be a moderate? You and klo are birds of a feather. I'll give you credit though, at least you don't pretend to care about black and brown people, you're open with your disdain.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 28, 2020, 05:51:24 PM
Man, Dems have some real crap stain former prosecutors holding prominent positions within the party.

SMDH

Don't you profess to be a moderate? You and klo are birds of a feather. I'll give you credit though, at least you don't pretend to care about black and brown people, you're open with your disdain.

Anything short of just saying that Whitey is always in the wrong in regards to race relations and admitting that I am part of the super secret world wide White conspiracy against all people of color . . . means that I have "disdain" for brown people in your completely mumped up view. 

In the case of Klo, we have yet another Dem in a substantial seat of power whose shitty racial track record is only pointed out by the farthest furthest fringe of the Useful Idiot movement.    This story has literally been seen 1000 times.   All that matters is the power.

 










Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Phil Titola on May 28, 2020, 06:16:50 PM
I can't watch that for more than like 3 seconds. Absolutely disgusting.

I have family in law enforcement that are obviously pro cop knowing what they go through on the daily. That said they think all 4 of the cops should be put away immediately.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on May 28, 2020, 07:00:06 PM
can't wait to see the video that shows he's still alive.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1266134329870225409?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on May 28, 2020, 08:39:30 PM
can't wait to see the video that shows he's still alive.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1266134329870225409?s=20

I kinda thought his comments were fair.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on May 28, 2020, 08:47:21 PM
can't wait to see the video that shows he's still alive.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1266134329870225409?s=20

I kinda thought his comments were fair.
What other evidence can be out there that would suggest that he shouldn't be charged?  Like even hypothetically?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on May 28, 2020, 09:54:42 PM
I guess we'll never know

https://twitter.com/courtneygodfrey/status/1266135964763795457
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on May 28, 2020, 09:56:51 PM
love hosing down bystanders with pepper spray from the suv

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on May 28, 2020, 10:06:36 PM
can't wait to see the video that shows he's still alive.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1266134329870225409?s=20

I kinda thought his comments were fair.
What other evidence can be out there that would suggest that he shouldn't be charged?  Like even hypothetically?
Spracne's whole schtick it that there is always grey area and you can never know anything for sure
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on May 28, 2020, 10:59:46 PM
What other evidence can be out there that would suggest that he shouldn't be charged?  Like even hypothetically?

The black guy's neck was a special neck that actually supports an unusual and small but powerful extra appendage that was holding a small but deadly gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 28, 2020, 11:01:31 PM
can't wait to see the video that shows he's still alive.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1266134329870225409?s=20

I kinda thought his comments were fair.
What other evidence can be out there that would suggest that he shouldn't be charged?  Like even hypothetically?
Spracne's whole schtick it that there is always grey area and you can never know anything for sure
"good people on both sides" is definitely his wheelhouse
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on May 28, 2020, 11:02:42 PM
He deviated from "I have a black friend" and ended up with "those folks who know me in the african community."  :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on May 28, 2020, 11:24:16 PM
Can't wait for the blue line conservatives that support cops that kill but crap all over the FBI...
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 28, 2020, 11:24:52 PM
I think we need a riot thread
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on May 28, 2020, 11:26:55 PM
also why is it after any mass shooting there is all of this conservative bullshit about crisis actors and agitators

but when crap hits the fan after another African American is killed by police it is clearly not the result of bad actors...
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on May 28, 2020, 11:40:30 PM
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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 05:09:43 AM
Man, Dems have some real crap stain former prosecutors holding prominent positions within the party.

SMDH

Don't you profess to be a moderate? You and klo are birds of a feather. I'll give you credit though, at least you don't pretend to care about black and brown people, you're open with your disdain.

Anything short of just saying that Whitey is always in the wrong in regards to race relations and admitting that I am part of the super secret world wide White conspiracy against all people of color . . . means that I have "disdain" for brown people in your completely mumped up view. 

In the case of Klo, we have yet another Dem in a substantial seat of power whose shitty racial track record is only pointed out by the farthest furthest fringe of the Useful Idiot movement.    This story has literally been seen 1000 times.   All that matters is the power.

There's no secret and you don't know what the word conspiracy means. You were right to put disdain in quotations though, that word probably isn't strong enough to properly express how you feel about brown and black people who do anything more than play with sportsballs for your pleasure.
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on May 29, 2020, 07:24:15 AM
can't wait to see the video that shows he's still alive.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1266134329870225409?s=20

I kinda thought his comments were fair.
What other evidence can be out there that would suggest that he shouldn't be charged?  Like even hypothetically?
Spracne's whole schtick it that there is always grey area and you can never know anything for sure
They must have an incredibly low incarceration rate if they don’t apprehend or charge suspects until they confirm there is absolutely no contrary evidence.
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on May 29, 2020, 07:28:52 AM
can't wait to see the video that shows he's still alive.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1266134329870225409?s=20

I kinda thought his comments were fair.
What other evidence can be out there that would suggest that he shouldn't be charged?  Like even hypothetically?
Spitballing here, but maybe they found a slow acting poison in his system that could only have been administered at least a few hours before the incident and was definitely the cause of death.

Can’t get them for murder in that case IMLO. Would have to settle on attempted murder, and is that even worth the effort?
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 08:31:53 AM
Man, Dems have some real crap stain former prosecutors holding prominent positions within the party.

SMDH

Don't you profess to be a moderate? You and klo are birds of a feather. I'll give you credit though, at least you don't pretend to care about black and brown people, you're open with your disdain.

Anything short of just saying that Whitey is always in the wrong in regards to race relations and admitting that I am part of the super secret world wide White conspiracy against all people of color . . . means that I have "disdain" for brown people in your completely mumped up view. 

In the case of Klo, we have yet another Dem in a substantial seat of power whose shitty racial track record is only pointed out by the farthest furthest fringe of the Useful Idiot movement.    This story has literally been seen 1000 times.   All that matters is the power.

There's no secret and you don't know what the word conspiracy means. You were right to put disdain in quotations though, that word probably isn't strong enough to properly express how you feel about brown and black people who do anything more than play with sportsballs for your pleasure.
LOL, you elected a black president who did nothing but massacre and refugee millions of brown people around the globe.  Today millions of brown people die or sit in the midst of civil wars that your guy started or enabled.  One minute your rollin with, “well he wasn’t my guy” bullshit.  The next you’re all pissed off if anybody says anything mean about the mumped up and deadly policies  of a guy who left millions of black people saying it was 8 years of nothing, absolutely nothing. 

So spare me your mentally disabled contrived rage as you play every side of the fence as usual. 

It’s more mumped up reading your BS knowing it was typed up from the middle of the comfy confines of white homogeneous world and it’s idyllic country-suburban living and well financed schools. 

As I recall you were all in on Liz rough ridin' Warren.  A woman who defined and redefined White privilege. .  A woman who literally ascended to a position of power on the back of an utterly concocted lie about racial heritage.  A woman firmly born, bred and thriving in the cathedrals to White privilege, socio economic elitism and at the very pinnacle of contrived 1st world problems.   A woman who attempted to garner votes and sympathy by playing every poor put upon white upper upper middle class female card she could get her hands on.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 08:35:18 AM
Nothing says socio economic elitism quite like growing up in Norman, OK.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: cfbandyman on May 29, 2020, 08:46:08 AM
Nothing says socio economic elitism quite like growing up in Norman, OK.

 :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on May 29, 2020, 08:57:15 AM
I mean, compared to Alabama...
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on May 29, 2020, 09:16:45 AM
Alabamans have long resented the constant flexing of the Oklahoman elite.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 09:25:56 AM
Nothing says socio economic elitism quite like growing up in Norman, OK.

From her college years on, it was nothing but ivy covered walls and freshly painted spires of academia.

So you Warrenites can just stop.







Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on May 29, 2020, 09:27:09 AM
How dare she be successful

Good grief dax smdh my damn head
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 29, 2020, 09:27:59 AM
University of Houston, the Harvard of Texas. 

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 09:31:03 AM
How dare she be successful

Good grief dax smdh my damn head

White privilege is perfectly fine . . . as long as they're Democrats (Useful Idiot .9)

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2020, 09:32:28 AM
University of Houston, the Harvard of Texas.

 :lol: :lol:

Fantastic job of editing and not telling the entire story.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on May 29, 2020, 10:28:21 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/12/rudy-giuliani-blames-obama-ferguson-shooting
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2020, 12:16:08 PM
https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1266400635429310466
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on May 29, 2020, 03:35:59 PM
obama is so good at this stuff.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on June 19, 2020, 08:19:48 AM
https://twitter.com/sarahmcgphoto/status/1273785359869116421

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2020, 08:57:27 AM
That explains why Dahmer was trending.

There's like a general systemic problem where cops still get to be cops after doing bad crap.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on June 19, 2020, 09:02:47 AM
Dahmer had some pretty crazy cop run-ins. No one gave even a primary crap about gay people back then.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: dal9 on June 20, 2020, 06:47:14 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/missouri-woman-25-fatally-shot-215400228.html

yeah, this really adds up
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on June 20, 2020, 08:15:12 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/missouri-woman-25-fatally-shot-215400228.html

yeah, this really adds up

Quote
Bell said there was no available dashboard camera or body camera footage of the shooting.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on June 21, 2020, 11:03:04 AM
Quote
The sheriff said his department used to have body cameras.

"However, we had technical difficulties with that and funding has not allowed us to provide them for the deputies," he told KOMU.

My word it sounds like a straight up terrorist act when you put it that way.

“Yeah well, I guess this is gonna just keep happening if you don’t increase our funding.”
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on June 22, 2020, 03:24:21 PM
https://twitter.com/notworldclazz/status/1274871684642803715


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: WildcatNkilt on June 22, 2020, 03:46:41 PM
https://twitter.com/notworldclazz/status/1274871684642803715


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Looked it up and the cop that got shot by his own boss (8 times with 9 different wounds) amazingly survived.  This happened in 2015.  The boss guy who did the shooting apparently retired 3 days before they voted 6-1 to fire him.  The officer never got charged, but the dude who got shot got received a $6.5m settlement. 

https://www.courthousenews.com/6-5-million-for-copshot-by-his-own-boss/ (https://www.courthousenews.com/6-5-million-for-copshot-by-his-own-boss/)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on June 22, 2020, 04:00:10 PM
Are you Ok?!?!?!


wtf you just shot him 8 times

the eff you think
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on June 22, 2020, 04:43:30 PM
Are you Ok?!?!?!


wtf you just shot him 8 times

the eff you think

Was that the shot cop who responded to "Are you OK?!" with a deadpan, sarcastic, "No!" ? If so, I'm impressed by his composure.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 22, 2020, 05:00:35 PM
cops shouldn't have guns
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 22, 2020, 07:54:39 PM
cops shouldn't have guns

lmao
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on June 23, 2020, 04:22:36 AM
https://twitter.com/notworldclazz/status/1274871684642803715


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Looked it up and the cop that got shot by his own boss (8 times with 9 different wounds) amazingly survived.  This happened in 2015.  The boss guy who did the shooting apparently retired 3 days before they voted 6-1 to fire him.  The officer never got charged, but the dude who got shot got received a $6.5m settlement. 

https://www.courthousenews.com/6-5-million-for-copshot-by-his-own-boss/ (https://www.courthousenews.com/6-5-million-for-copshot-by-his-own-boss/)

I want to know who this [redacted] was.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on June 23, 2020, 04:25:10 AM
cops shouldn't have guns

lmao

There are many cops in the western world without guns, dummy. You're right though, it's impractical here though because you dipshit republicans and you gun lust and nra ball juggling.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2020, 08:48:37 AM


cops shouldn't have guns

lmao

There are many cops in the western world without guns, dummy. You're right though, it's impractical here though because you dipshit republicans and you gun lust and nra ball juggling.

Even with an armed public, fewer people would die during interactions with the police. People get shot because guns put people on edge.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on June 23, 2020, 08:58:45 AM
https://twitter.com/joshuapotash/status/1275177222521982977


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on June 23, 2020, 09:12:12 AM
Sick
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on June 23, 2020, 09:41:09 AM
Steroids are a hell of a drug.  He's so devoted to being an bad person cop that he even does it while on vacation.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on June 23, 2020, 09:52:04 AM
On admin leave and being investigated. Will be interesting to see what comes of it.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2020, 09:53:54 AM
On admin leave and being investigated. Will be interesting to see what comes of it.

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nothing will come of it
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 23, 2020, 10:57:01 AM
cops shouldn't have guns

lmao

There are many cops in the western world without guns, dummy. You're right though, it's impractical here though because you dipshit republicans and you gun lust and nra ball juggling.

Why so hostile?  Please don't try and compare the U.S. to Iceland or Maldives.  And you're right, it is impractical and that was why I had the response that I did. And while I agree that there are plenty of "dipshit pub's that love their NRA" there is plenty of dipshit dem's that love them as well.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on June 23, 2020, 12:26:34 PM
cops shouldn't have guns

lmao

There are many cops in the western world without guns, dummy. You're right though, it's impractical here though because you dipshit republicans and you gun lust and nra ball juggling.

Why so hostile?  Please don't try and compare the U.S. to Iceland or Maldives.  And you're right, it is impractical and that was why I had the response that I did. And while I agree that there are plenty of "dipshit pub's that love their NRA" there is plenty of dipshit dem's that love them as well.

How about England, dummy?

Even with an armed public, fewer people would die during interactions with the police. People get shot because guns put people on edge.

You are correct, no debate there, but there is no way you are going to find enough cops to work our streets without weapons. There's a constant threat of ambush. The countries like England, the UK, and Norway where the cops don't carry guns, and France where they are essentially never used, there is virtually no threat of the cops encountering someone else with a gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on June 23, 2020, 01:17:26 PM
cops shouldn't have guns

lmao

There are many cops in the western world without guns, dummy. You're right though, it's impractical here though because you dipshit republicans and you gun lust and nra ball juggling.

Why so hostile?  Please don't try and compare the U.S. to Iceland or Maldives.  And you're right, it is impractical and that was why I had the response that I did. And while I agree that there are plenty of "dipshit pub's that love their NRA" there is plenty of dipshit dem's that love them as well.

How about England, dummy?

Even with an armed public, fewer people would die during interactions with the police. People get shot because guns put people on edge.

You are correct, no debate there, but there is no way you are going to find enough cops to work our streets without weapons. There's a constant threat of ambush. The countries like England, the UK, and Norway where the cops don't carry guns, and France where they are essentially never used, there is virtually no threat of the cops encountering someone else with a gun.

I agree that the U.S. is a fundamentally different challenge in that regard. However, I would support a smaller and more selective police force (with guns) and then glorified meter maids (without guns) to perform most of the routine B.S. cops actually do.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 23, 2020, 04:08:30 PM
cops shouldn't have guns

lmao

There are many cops in the western world without guns, dummy. You're right though, it's impractical here though because you dipshit republicans and you gun lust and nra ball juggling.

Why so hostile?  Please don't try and compare the U.S. to Iceland or Maldives.  And you're right, it is impractical and that was why I had the response that I did. And while I agree that there are plenty of "dipshit pub's that love their NRA" there is plenty of dipshit dem's that love them as well.

How about England, dummy?

Even with an armed public, fewer people would die during interactions with the police. People get shot because guns put people on edge.

You are correct, no debate there, but there is no way you are going to find enough cops to work our streets without weapons. There's a constant threat of ambush. The countries like England, the UK, and Norway where the cops don't carry guns, and France where they are essentially never used, there is virtually no threat of the cops encountering someone else with a gun.

I agree that the U.S. is a fundamentally different challenge in that regard. However, I would support a smaller and more selective police force (with guns) and then glorified meter maids (without guns) to perform most of the routine B.S. cops actually do.

I would support this as well.  Would obviously be easier in smaller population location although I'm sure there are variables in that too.  Not sure how well it would work of populations north of 100,000?   :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on June 23, 2020, 04:14:45 PM
cops shouldn't have guns

lmao

There are many cops in the western world without guns, dummy. You're right though, it's impractical here though because you dipshit republicans and you gun lust and nra ball juggling.

Why so hostile?  Please don't try and compare the U.S. to Iceland or Maldives.  And you're right, it is impractical and that was why I had the response that I did. And while I agree that there are plenty of "dipshit pub's that love their NRA" there is plenty of dipshit dem's that love them as well.

How about England, dummy?

Even with an armed public, fewer people would die during interactions with the police. People get shot because guns put people on edge.

You are correct, no debate there, but there is no way you are going to find enough cops to work our streets without weapons. There's a constant threat of ambush. The countries like England, the UK, and Norway where the cops don't carry guns, and France where they are essentially never used, there is virtually no threat of the cops encountering someone else with a gun.

I agree that the U.S. is a fundamentally different challenge in that regard. However, I would support a smaller and more selective police force (with guns) and then glorified meter maids (without guns) to perform most of the routine B.S. cops actually do.

I would support this as well.  Would obviously be easier in smaller population location although I'm sure there are variables in that too.  Not sure how well it would work of populations north of 100,000?   :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)

Seems doable to me regardless of population size. Don't have armed cops pull people over for traffic violations. Don't send cops to take reports. Just chart out every routine task and put them in bucket 1 or bucket 2. Also, the meter maids don't have the authority to arrest you. I would think knowing the meter maid can't arrest or shoot you would prevent things from getting out of hand. You're free to bolt, but you know you'll probably get caught later by an actual cop with a gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on June 23, 2020, 04:24:02 PM
Have all cops be in tag teams of 1 cop w/gun and stuff and the other cop being basically a social worker.  If they know what's up in advance, the unneeded one can chill in the car.  If it's unknown, they both go and suss it out real quick and the necessary one takes the lead on things.
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on June 23, 2020, 04:32:06 PM
Have all cops be in tag teams of 1 cop w/gun and stuff and the other cop being basically a social worker.  If they know what's up in advance, the unneeded one can chill in the car.  If it's unknown, they both go and suss it out real quick and the necessary one takes the lead on things.
I think situations where that would actually be called for are just crazy small.

If you have no reason to think another person’s life is in immediate danger, the unarmed social worker is fine. Bad guys in general don’t kill cops because the consequences are so severe, not because they’re afraid of getting out gunned. You put the same kind of bad apples in a situation with a social worker they’ll just run away. And that’s fine. Slap another charge in their record and have the (few, well trained) enforcers follow up another time.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on June 23, 2020, 05:03:52 PM
cops shouldn't have guns

lmao

There are many cops in the western world without guns, dummy. You're right though, it's impractical here though because you dipshit republicans and you gun lust and nra ball juggling.

Why so hostile?  Please don't try and compare the U.S. to Iceland or Maldives.  And you're right, it is impractical and that was why I had the response that I did. And while I agree that there are plenty of "dipshit pub's that love their NRA" there is plenty of dipshit dem's that love them as well.

How about England, dummy?

Even with an armed public, fewer people would die during interactions with the police. People get shot because guns put people on edge.

You are correct, no debate there, but there is no way you are going to find enough cops to work our streets without weapons. There's a constant threat of ambush. The countries like England, the UK, and Norway where the cops don't carry guns, and France where they are essentially never used, there is virtually no threat of the cops encountering someone else with a gun.

I agree that the U.S. is a fundamentally different challenge in that regard. However, I would support a smaller and more selective police force (with guns) and then glorified meter maids (without guns) to perform most of the routine B.S. cops actually do.

Same.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2020, 02:33:11 PM
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1275850128008654849
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on June 24, 2020, 03:01:32 PM
Horrible.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on June 24, 2020, 04:02:17 PM
I'm so confused
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on June 24, 2020, 04:13:29 PM
https://twitter.com/oliver_drk/status/1275887421012533249

No wonder cops fight body cams so much
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: WildcatNkilt on June 24, 2020, 04:38:53 PM
That dude deserves more than $700,000.  They need to rename the police academy Small Dick U. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on June 24, 2020, 05:38:58 PM
the more i think about it, the more i like the take settlement/court judgment money out of police pension funds reform.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2020, 05:43:09 PM
the more i think about it, the more i like the take settlement/court judgment money out of police pension funds reform.

I imagine someone would figure out a way to just make it so they wouldn't have to pay settlements any more
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on June 24, 2020, 05:50:10 PM
yeah.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 04, 2020, 07:41:19 PM
Just a few bad apples

https://twitter.com/kendallybrown/status/1279475537216503808
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 05, 2020, 12:40:45 AM
Just a few bad apples

https://twitter.com/kendallybrown/status/1279475537216503808

Everyone involved in this should be shot
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on August 05, 2020, 10:19:50 AM
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/colorado-cops-mistake-black-family-of-five-in-suv-for-one-stolen-motorcycle/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on August 05, 2020, 04:16:25 PM
Love this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I just got pulled over and for the first time i watched a white women record my whole traffic stop . <a href="https://t.co/BolkS8K9rj">pic.twitter.com/BolkS8K9rj</a></p>&mdash; The Mad King (@Kingkeraun) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kingkeraun/status/1290428862870913024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 21, 2020, 10:08:58 PM
eff
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1296961914082402304
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on August 21, 2020, 10:14:08 PM
Uh oh. Killing black people is one thing but now they’re really going to piss off white people.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 21, 2020, 10:39:41 PM
Uh oh. Killing black people is one thing but now they’re really going to piss off white people.

police killing dogs all day, every day hasn't bothered white people yet, so i dunno why it'd start.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on August 21, 2020, 11:58:02 PM
It bothers me  :frown:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on August 22, 2020, 06:25:02 AM
eff
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1296961914082402304

Mother fuckers!  The dog wasn't a threat; I hope they get sued for this.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 22, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/newly-released-footage-shows-police-mocking-black-mans-faith-before-he-was-killed_n_5f3e94a2c5b6dd14014b3d51?ahf

There's a longer video of this murder out there, I won't post it
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 22, 2020, 10:15:23 PM
https://theintercept.com/2020/08/22/police-shooting-wellness-check-sandy-guardiola/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=theintercept&utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kim carnes on August 22, 2020, 10:16:29 PM
eff
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1296961914082402304

Jesus, it is behind a fence.  Why
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on August 22, 2020, 10:18:32 PM
eff


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 22, 2020, 10:23:10 PM
eff
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1296961914082402304

Jesus, it is behind a fence.  Why

Apparently it had the K9 by the snout. The default was to shoot first ask questions later, no problem solving at all. Then they just walked off while the dog was just flopping around.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: chum1 on August 23, 2020, 10:06:52 PM
https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1297724067265613824
https://twitter.com/KristenClarkeJD/status/1297727714191978496
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 23, 2020, 10:13:12 PM
 :cry:

Thank god he’s not dead.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on August 23, 2020, 10:18:07 PM
I mean the excuse is obvious but yeah that looks really awful.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 23, 2020, 10:26:53 PM
The excuse isn't obvious to me.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on August 23, 2020, 11:11:06 PM
They’re going to say it was because he was getting into his car either to get a weapon or use it as a weapon.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 24, 2020, 07:52:47 AM
7 rough ridin' shots.....from behind. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on August 24, 2020, 08:20:25 AM
That seemed like a time that a taser might have been more appropriate.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: WildcatNkilt on August 24, 2020, 08:55:45 AM
And I see MAGA on Facebook bitching about new riots and throwing crap at the police.  Getting shot from behind by an officer who fired 7 times when the victim was unarmed should enrage everybody.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: cfbandyman on August 24, 2020, 08:59:42 AM
That seemed like a time that a taser might have been more appropriate.

Or literally any other type of force to use. You outnumber him two to one, if you're so worried about him getting away, tackle him. Regardless that video is damming as crap. rough ridin' coward of a cop.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 24, 2020, 09:00:40 AM
cops shouldn't have guns
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 24, 2020, 03:38:49 PM
https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1297724067265613824
https://twitter.com/KristenClarkeJD/status/1297727714191978496

You know why this will never change? People will never stop being afraid of black men.

https://twitter.com/_SJPeace_/status/1297917191778598915

https://twitter.com/MC_IBTimesSG/status/1297827117996994560
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on August 24, 2020, 03:57:13 PM
I don’t think this one is going to result in charges
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: chum1 on August 25, 2020, 09:35:31 AM
https://twitter.com/lawcrimenews/status/1298258852010266625
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on October 23, 2020, 10:19:35 AM
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1319654927292129280
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on October 23, 2020, 10:26:41 AM
Quote
They were lying

:Wha:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on October 23, 2020, 10:27:07 AM
and seriously that's a bad video
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on October 23, 2020, 11:30:49 AM
Waukegan yesterday. One dead one hospitalized.  No video yet I don’t think, police say the car was reversing towards them.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
Waukegan yesterday. One dead one hospitalized.  No video yet I don’t think, police say the car was reversing towards them.

For those without details, they shot into a car of an unarmed black couple because they were reversing towards them. Apparently stepping out of the way is much harder than pumping lead into a car and killing people.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on October 23, 2020, 11:41:57 AM
Waukegan yesterday. One dead one hospitalized.  No video yet I don’t think, police say the car was reversing towards them.

For those without details, they shot into a car of an unarmed black couple because they were reversing towards them. Apparently stepping out of the way is much harder than pumping lead into a car and killing people.
Yeah, I’m skeptical that the eventual video will even show the car reversing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on October 23, 2020, 12:01:50 PM
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1319654927292129280

Tampa is not in Pasco County.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2020, 02:06:27 PM
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1319654927292129280

Tampa is not in Pasco County.

 :blank:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on October 30, 2020, 07:22:35 AM
https://twitter.com/dctello/status/1322128866236899329
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on October 30, 2020, 08:03:54 AM
What. The. eff.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 30, 2020, 12:54:16 PM
That dude is a true sack of crap. Some of his comments about the shooting and policing have been outrageous to the point that they seem intentionally inflammatory. He's absolutely a danger to the community.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on October 30, 2020, 02:49:50 PM
Kentucky on a roll this week.

https://twitter.com/joesonka/status/1322246900779831308
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on November 05, 2020, 03:41:56 PM
File under: first world Alabama

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1324456911215816706
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on November 05, 2020, 05:44:54 PM
He won't get fired and on the 1 in a 5000 chance he will, he'll get hired in some other Alabama backwater shithole.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on December 18, 2020, 07:09:03 PM
kiowa county, ks.  happened in august.

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1339889838334603266
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on December 18, 2020, 07:41:17 PM
But why?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 18, 2020, 07:43:31 PM
kiowa county, ks.  happened in august.

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1339889838334603266
eff cops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 18, 2020, 07:49:34 PM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1339890631997571072

That's attempted murder hopefully now that the kbi has the video they will do something. There is a lot about this case. First of all, obviously this guy not being fired and charged, you can't claim that dude was a threat to anything or anyone at that point. Then the kbi asked the county attorney about the case and they had the option to just say, nah, no thanks. Then it takes them 4 months to actually see the video. The entire system is mumped. Even if this dude gets charged nothing will happen to the sheriff or county attorney, and this sheriff department will change in no way at all.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 18, 2020, 09:50:22 PM
kiowa county, ks.  happened in august.

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1339889838334603266
eff cops
Sorry, this might hurt us in the midterms.

What's a more easily digestible reaction?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on December 19, 2020, 12:09:22 AM
The run over just recently stopped being a cop and his wife is a cop.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on December 19, 2020, 08:20:47 AM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1340131045191135233
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 19, 2020, 08:53:32 AM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1340131045191135233
***Do not take any funds from these heroes, please***
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on December 19, 2020, 04:09:43 PM
***Do not take any funds from these heroes, please***

are you back to saying that "defund the police" means defunding the police?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 19, 2020, 04:10:52 PM
***Do not take any funds from these heroes, please***

are you back to saying that "defund the police" means defunding the police?

I just don't want to offend anyone
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on December 19, 2020, 04:17:59 PM
answer the question.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 19, 2020, 04:27:20 PM
answer the question.
I'm not going to acknowledge that toxic phrase you referenced. If anything what we need is EXTRA funding for law enforcement sensitivity training in Boston.

The officer in Kansas probably needs an off-road driving class and maybe a paid vacation to clear his head, that must have been very traumatic for him.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on December 19, 2020, 05:21:15 PM
I am not sure what that phrase means to others

to me it simply means taking existing funding and routing it to practioners other than traditional police agencies to protect and serve communities while facilitating the "Order" component of law and order
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 19, 2020, 09:24:31 PM
answer the question.

It doesn't matter, stop trying to make it a thing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 19, 2020, 09:25:45 PM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1340131045191135233

Here's a bunch of clips of Boston Police acting exactly like you envision Boston Police would act.

https://twitter.com/renmxusa/status/1340400886045020161
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2021, 12:57:39 PM
This is from 2017. I have no idea how these cops and paramedics avoided prosecution, this is murder.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/03/07/fresno-man-killed-by-officers-after-sitting-on-his-back-during-arrest/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2021, 01:24:43 PM
And what would this psychopath do to a human being?
https://www.tmz.com/2021/03/04/north-carolina-cop-under-investigation-dragging-slamming-k-9-video/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on March 07, 2021, 03:11:18 PM
This is from 2017. I have no idea how these cops and paramedics avoided prosecution, this is murder.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/03/07/fresno-man-killed-by-officers-after-sitting-on-his-back-during-arrest/

guy who was chief of police then is now our rough ridin' mayor.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on March 08, 2021, 12:58:21 AM
This is from 2017. I have no idea how these cops and paramedics avoided prosecution, this is murder.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/03/07/fresno-man-killed-by-officers-after-sitting-on-his-back-during-arrest/

guy who was chief of police then is now our rough ridin' mayor.

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 02, 2021, 11:10:04 PM
https://twitter.com/BlockClubCHI/status/1378000497806868482
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on April 12, 2021, 02:02:48 PM
Tasers back in the news but for reasons unrelated to self-genitalia destruction.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1381657470653890565
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on April 12, 2021, 02:35:47 PM
warm it up
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on April 12, 2021, 02:40:04 PM
Yet another data point for most of those dipshits not needing to carry a gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on April 13, 2021, 03:34:39 PM
Just for your information, this is what young boomers were told about PO's from TV hero's.  https://youtu.be/fiThdldGxJg
:lol:
                                       
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 13, 2021, 03:50:42 PM
lol
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 14, 2021, 02:17:32 AM
Daunte Wright didn't deserve to die, should go without saying. However, this is absolutely not stone cold murder like what Derek Chauvin did, and like Elijah McClain was murdered. This likely a gap in training and procedure and definitely a loss of composure in a heated moment. Wright made a choice to get back in that car, when he made that choice he escalated the situation. I empathize with his family but I can't get worked up about this one.

If we are looking at someone with a warrant for a weapons charge trying to drive off in the same light as someone choked out while handcuffed, I don't know if we'll ever make that progress we need. There needs to be nuance.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on April 14, 2021, 08:52:44 AM
agreed
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on April 14, 2021, 09:00:33 AM
Daunte Wright didn't deserve to die, should go without saying. However, this is absolutely not stone cold murder like what Derek Chauvin did, and like Elijah McClain was murdered. This likely a gap in training and procedure and definitely a loss of composure in a heated moment. Wright made a choice to get back in that car, when he made that choice he escalated the situation. I empathize with his family but I can't get worked up about this one.

If we are looking at someone with a warrant for a weapons charge trying to drive off in the same light as someone choked out while handcuffed, I don't know if we'll ever make that progress we need. There needs to be nuance.

well said
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on April 14, 2021, 09:54:56 AM
He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror and was killed because a cop thought she was going to taze him but grabbed her pistol instead.

I think there is plenty to be angry about.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 14, 2021, 12:01:21 PM
He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror and was killed because a cop thought she was going to taze him but grabbed her pistol instead.

I think there is plenty to be angry about.

Yeah there's room to be upset about both George Floyd and Daunte Wright.

If George Floyd is the standard for outrage being allowable nothing will ever change.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: _33 on April 14, 2021, 12:14:48 PM
Yeah, let's all take turns telling MIR that his feelings on this topic are wrong.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 14, 2021, 12:22:53 PM
He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror and was killed because a cop thought she was going to taze him but grabbed her pistol instead.

I think there is plenty to be angry about.

Yeah there's room to be upset about both George Floyd and Daunte Wright.

If George Floyd is the standard for outrage being allowable nothing will ever change.

That is absolutely not what I said.. I'm making a request for nuance and you two seem to be like, nah. One conversation is about policing, one conversation is about murder.

Also he wasn't pulled over because of air fresheners. He had an expired registration sticker then his warrants came up. They knew he had a warrant on a weapons charge. Despite knowing this they still didn't approached his car with their weapons drawn. They told him he was being arrested he broke free of the officers then got back in his car.

This woman shouldn't be a cop, she shouldn't be charged with murder. Masking Wright and this officer the focus of what happened here is the easy way out and completely misses the larger, more relevant point.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 14, 2021, 12:28:03 PM
He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror and was killed because a cop thought she was going to taze him but grabbed her pistol instead.

I think there is plenty to be angry about.

Yeah there's room to be upset about both George Floyd and Daunte Wright.

If George Floyd is the standard for outrage being allowable nothing will ever change.

That is absolutely not what I said.. I'm making a request for nuance and you two seem to be like, nah. One conversation is about policing, one conversation is about murder.

Also he wasn't pulled over because of air fresheners. He had an expired registration sticker then his warrants came up. They knew he had a warrant on a weapons charge. Despite knowing this they still didn't approached his car with their weapons drawn. They told him he was being arrested he broke free of the officers then got back in his car.

This woman shouldn't be a cop, she shouldn't be charged with murder. Masking Wright and this officer the focus of what happened here is the easy way out and completely misses the larger, more relevant point.

Obviously they're different, I didn't realize people were saying they weren't. Honestly if this didn't happen a few miles from the Chauvin trial no one would probably be giving a crap. (Which is sad)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on April 14, 2021, 12:46:21 PM
He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror and was killed because a cop thought she was going to taze him but grabbed her pistol instead.

I think there is plenty to be angry about.

Yeah there's room to be upset about both George Floyd and Daunte Wright.

If George Floyd is the standard for outrage being allowable nothing will ever change.

That is absolutely not what I said.. I'm making a request for nuance and you two seem to be like, nah. One conversation is about policing, one conversation is about murder.

Also he wasn't pulled over because of air fresheners. He had an expired registration sticker then his warrants came up. They knew he had a warrant on a weapons charge. Despite knowing this they still didn't approached his car with their weapons drawn. They told him he was being arrested he broke free of the officers then got back in his car.

This woman shouldn't be a cop, she shouldn't be charged with murder. Masking Wright and this officer the focus of what happened here is the easy way out and completely misses the larger, more relevant point.

Good grief man, sometimes you read way too much into what people post here. I didn't compare anything to Floyd or call it murder.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on April 14, 2021, 01:08:41 PM
Anyway, I don't even disagree with your original post. I thought they learned of the warrant after he was pulled over so if there were expired tags I'll retract that part.

My biggest takeaway from the incident is further proof that regular cops shouldn't have guns.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 14, 2021, 01:24:26 PM
He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror and was killed because a cop thought she was going to taze him but grabbed her pistol instead.

I think there is plenty to be angry about.

Yeah there's room to be upset about both George Floyd and Daunte Wright.

If George Floyd is the standard for outrage being allowable nothing will ever change.

That is absolutely not what I said.. I'm making a request for nuance and you two seem to be like, nah. One conversation is about policing, one conversation is about murder.

Also he wasn't pulled over because of air fresheners. He had an expired registration sticker then his warrants came up. They knew he had a warrant on a weapons charge. Despite knowing this they still didn't approached his car with their weapons drawn. They told him he was being arrested he broke free of the officers then got back in his car.

This woman shouldn't be a cop, she shouldn't be charged with murder. Masking Wright and this officer the focus of what happened here is the easy way out and completely misses the larger, more relevant point.

Good grief man, sometimes you read way too much into what people post here. I didn't compare anything to Floyd or call it murder.

I wasn't the only person that saw your post as a rebuttal, not sure why you're addressing me and not the point I made. Anyway, that wasn't the objection I had to your post. You inferred that I should be angry, about it and supported that with a false narrative about the incident.

Anyway, I don't even disagree with your original post. I thought they learned of the warrant after he was pulled over so if there were expired tags I'll retract that part.

My biggest takeaway from the incident is further proof that regular cops shouldn't have guns.

I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

You can find several posts for me on here calling to disarm cops, but that can't happen here without disarming the populace first.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 14, 2021, 01:29:19 PM
Also if you watch the full video, you can stop before the shooting, the officers are telling him that he has warrants when he asks why they are asking him to step out of the car.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/04/12/brooklyn-center-police-bodycam-footage-daunte-wright-shooting-vpx.cnn
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on April 14, 2021, 01:39:10 PM
I also didn't infer that you should be angry, just that there are valid reasons to be angry. There are plenty of things I choose not to care about as well!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 14, 2021, 01:52:05 PM
I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on April 14, 2021, 02:00:37 PM
I don't think she should be charged with a crime.

The department needs to find out why 3 officers couldn't properly detain a dude with those warrants.  Not enough training?  Poor training? 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on April 14, 2021, 02:02:36 PM
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/14/987228386/officer-who-shot-daunte-wright-arrested-to-be-charged-with-2nd-degree-manslaught?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr


Seems pretty reasonable
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 14, 2021, 02:04:21 PM
I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.
Also, expired registration is as much of a bullshit reason to pull someone over as an air freshener hanging from the rear view
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on April 14, 2021, 02:16:20 PM
I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.
Also, expired registration is as much of a bullshit reason to pull someone over as an air freshener hanging from the rear view
The only time I’ve ever been pulled over was for expired registration stickers. And I am very white.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on April 14, 2021, 02:20:37 PM
I've been pulled over millions of times and some of those times were for expired tags, and one of the expired tags times I even had a warrant, no insurance, and expired license and the cop let me go!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 14, 2021, 02:22:51 PM
I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.
Also, expired registration is as much of a bullshit reason to pull someone over as an air freshener hanging from the rear view
The only time I’ve ever been pulled over was for expired registration stickers. And I am very white.

It's bullshit, being forgetful and/or poor doesn't put anyone in danger.

I can actually see an argument that something hanging from the rear view impairs a field of vision and makes driving more dangerous.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kstate4life on April 14, 2021, 02:23:08 PM
I've been pulled over millions of times and some of those times were for expired tags, and one of the expired tags times I even had a warrant, no insurance, and expired license and the cop let me go!

Sounds like you should be better about renewing your tags.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on April 14, 2021, 02:26:49 PM
I'm a lot less poor and irresponsible in my advanced age.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on April 14, 2021, 03:46:21 PM
i got pulled over twice in the same day for expired registration  :Wha:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kim carnes on April 14, 2021, 04:32:28 PM
Expired registrations probably account for like 20% of traffic stops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 15, 2021, 12:04:55 AM
I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.

He resisted and tried to take off when they had guns. How does that turn out if they don't have them?

I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.
Also, expired registration is as much of a bullshit reason to pull someone over as an air freshener hanging from the rear view

Why have laws at all?

I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.
Also, expired registration is as much of a bullshit reason to pull someone over as an air freshener hanging from the rear view
The only time I’ve ever been pulled over was for expired registration stickers. And I am very white.

It's bullshit, being forgetful and/or poor doesn't put anyone in danger.

I can actually see an argument that something hanging from the rear view impairs a field of vision and makes driving more dangerous.

He didn't forget, come on man. I'd bet any amount of money that Minnesota, like every other state in America has an enforcement date well beyond the expiration date. Do you think Wright was responsible for any of the actions that led to his being shot?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 15, 2021, 12:10:31 AM
I don't think she should be charged with a crime.

The department needs to find out why 3 officers couldn't properly detain a dude with those warrants.  Not enough training?  Poor training?

She should have absolutely been charged with something. Is she guilty of second degree manslaughter, dunno what that burden entails. Cops can't be allowed to make those mistakes without repercussion. Unions won't allow them to hold themselves accountable so the law needs to.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 15, 2021, 12:12:40 AM
BTW according to the New York Times, George Floyd's girlfriend taught Daunte Wright in high school.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on April 15, 2021, 06:00:55 AM
I don't think she should be charged with a crime.

The department needs to find out why 3 officers couldn't properly detain a dude with those warrants.  Not enough training?  Poor training?

She should have absolutely been charged with something. Is she guilty of second degree manslaughter, dunno what that burden entails. Cops can't be allowed to make those mistakes without repercussion. Unions won't allow them to hold themselves accountable so the law needs to.
The second degree manslaughter charge fits

1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another;


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on April 15, 2021, 08:02:41 AM
yeah wtf

just because you are a cop you don't get to whoopsie murder someone
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on April 15, 2021, 08:43:22 AM
yeah wtf

just because you are a cop you don't get to whoopsie murder someone
Yeah, plus even if you believe her, you can’t throw out a blueprint for actual shitty cops to shout “I’m going to taze you” before murdering.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2021, 09:09:33 AM
He resisted and tried to take off when they had guns. How does that turn out if they don't have them?

There are about a million possibilities and in all of them you end up with fewer dead people.


Why have laws at all?
talk about a lack of nuance


He didn't forget, come on man. I'd bet any amount of money that Minnesota, like every other state in America has an enforcement date well beyond the expiration date. Do you think Wright was responsible for any of the actions that led to his being shot?

My point is expired registration does not need to be enforced by armed goons if the goal is maintaining revenue. There's a whole collections system that most of the country uses to get money owed to then that is pretty awful on its own but the risk of them killing one of the debtors is low.

If the goal is to needlessly harass drivers, then yeah it makes sense to keep the goons. Not a great interview but kind of highlights what I'm getting at:
 
https://twitter.com/CityLab/status/1382504848252342275

As for Wright's actions, yeah he shouldn't have tried to run. He shouldn't have had an unregistered weapon, he should have paid for his car registration. But none of those things should be a capitol offense! I also don't blame the individual cop, IMO she shouldn't have been put in that position. but she's expected to and kids will continue to get killed by cops until there are major structural changes.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on April 15, 2021, 04:13:39 PM
Adam Toledo video looks really bad
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on April 15, 2021, 08:35:12 PM
you play like you practice.

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1382786087215595531

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 15, 2021, 08:38:08 PM
https://apnews.com/article/maryland-shootings-police-86600a693fd154b5612bfb0d2f8995c4
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 15, 2021, 09:28:15 PM
Adam Toledo video looks really bad
At least he didn't handcuff him and let him bleed out like they normally do
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on April 15, 2021, 10:33:33 PM
https://apnews.com/article/maryland-shootings-police-86600a693fd154b5612bfb0d2f8995c4
V sad suicide by cop
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 16, 2021, 11:19:58 AM
Adam Toledo video looks really bad

Cold blooded murder
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 16, 2021, 11:30:32 AM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1382670554205990917

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1383080014791475203
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on April 16, 2021, 02:17:37 PM
@MakeItRain gotta believe deadly force is justified here. Has to be a safety issue with the cop in the shot lines.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on April 17, 2021, 08:33:13 AM
It’s almost like that FBI report that white suprematists were infiltrating police departments in 2006 was spot rough ridin' on.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: dal9 on April 19, 2021, 04:42:35 PM
It’s almost like that FBI report that white suprematists were infiltrating police departments in 2006 was spot rough ridin' on.


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how much of it is "infiltrating" vs they are practically the only ones who want to be cops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 20, 2021, 04:21:13 PM
Chauvin guilty on all 3 counts. About time one of these went the right way.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on April 20, 2021, 04:23:03 PM
hell yeah.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on April 20, 2021, 04:52:53 PM
Thank God


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on April 20, 2021, 04:58:22 PM
I'm shocked, just based on the entire history of time and how these things go.  I'd been planning my night factoring in inevitable riots.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2021, 04:59:53 PM
Pelosi... WOOF!

https://twitter.com/cdotharrison/status/1384627074221096960?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 20, 2021, 05:02:39 PM
Unreal

https://twitter.com/JonahFurman/status/1384624383059283968
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on April 20, 2021, 05:14:50 PM
Justice served.  Thank goodness for cell phone cameras.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 20, 2021, 08:26:29 PM
I couldn't care less. This won't do a damn thing to change behaviors and police norms.

Unreal

https://twitter.com/JonahFurman/status/1384624383059283968

Honestly surprised it's that many. I wonder how many of those other 6 are minorities and women cops, I know at least one of them is.

I'm also willing to bet that most of them spent way less than 5 years in the joint.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 20, 2021, 08:46:01 PM
I've been away from my television all day, watching now and SMDH at all of these libs, black and otherwise, acting like somebody won the rough ridin' super bowl.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 20, 2021, 09:10:25 PM
Pelosi describing him as a “sacrifice” might be one of the most cringe worthy, unrelatable, political dip crap things to say in the history of politics. It’s gross and It should be shamed down here. There’s no doubt after that type of speech, she used it as a play for politics, and has zero remorse.

That being said, I’m happy that POS is going away. His reaction said it all. He won’t last long in prison.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 20, 2021, 09:26:58 PM
I couldn't care less. This won't do a damn thing to change behaviors and police norms.

Yeah, I mean it was the one time where pretty much every cop said the cop mumped up
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 20, 2021, 09:44:43 PM
https://twitter.com/stewartdantec/status/1384561441315954688?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 20, 2021, 10:09:13 PM
WTF LOL, Raiders :ROFL:
(https://i.ibb.co/jZtZhhW/Screenshot-20210420-220643.png)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on April 20, 2021, 10:48:54 PM
Mission Accomplished!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on April 21, 2021, 12:13:40 AM
I want to believe Mark Davis wrote that.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 21, 2021, 02:25:15 AM
I want to believe Mark Davis wrote that.

He's claiming responsibility
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on April 21, 2021, 05:51:30 AM
Hope that the combo of body cams, public awareness (ie people stopping and observing when people of color are being detained), and department leaders calling out and testifying to  improper behavior will be the blueprint moving forward to hold police accountable for their actions.

I think that’s the best hope, but that isn’t going to prevent shithead people from becoming police and doing shithead things.

But, accountability is a step in the right direction


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 21, 2021, 09:19:14 AM


Hope that the combo of body cams, public awareness (ie people stopping and observing when people of color are being detained), and department leaders calling out and testifying to  improper behavior will be the blueprint moving forward to hold police accountable for their actions.

I think that’s the best hope, but that isn’t going to prevent shithead people from becoming police and doing shithead things.

But, accountability is a step in the right direction


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None of that will change a damn thing other than raising awareness that hopefully leads to a complete restructuring of policing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 21, 2021, 09:36:22 AM
I think it's possible that cops can resist their desire to kill/maim when it appears there may be sufficient public sentiment that it's not acceptable and you could get 40 years.

If I were a dickhead cop I would be altering my behavior today.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: chum1 on April 21, 2021, 09:44:19 AM
I think it's possible that cops can resist their desire to kill/maim when it appears there may be sufficient public sentiment that it's not acceptable and you could get 40 years.

If I were a dickhead cop I would be altering my behavior today.

For sure. Cops are acutely aware of how the court system works and what they can get away with. They behave accordingly. This case is so public that they should see increased risk to themselves here.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 21, 2021, 09:55:30 AM
The tweets of "good luck getting good candidates to apply" is so stupid.  Like, dang the guys who like to kill and get away with it will stop applying.  What a shame
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on April 21, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
i'm not sure police get a ton of "good candidates" as it is.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 21, 2021, 10:25:30 AM
i'm not sure police get a ton of "good candidates" as it is.

Indeed.  If you were all ready to be a cop but the Chauvin verdict causes to abruptly change your mind then...yeah.  Your community dodged a bullet (literally?)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 21, 2021, 10:51:11 AM
I think it's possible that cops can resist their desire to kill/maim when it appears there may be sufficient public sentiment that it's not acceptable and you could get 40 years.

If I were a dickhead cop I would be altering my behavior today.

For sure. Cops are acutely aware of how the court system works and what they can get away with. They behave accordingly. This case is so public that they should see increased risk to themselves here.

this was an extreme example. Even cops thought Chauvin mumped up.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 21, 2021, 11:17:29 AM
I think it's possible that cops can resist their desire to kill/maim when it appears there may be sufficient public sentiment that it's not acceptable and you could get 40 years.

If I were a dickhead cop I would be altering my behavior today.

For sure. Cops are acutely aware of how the court system works and what they can get away with. They behave accordingly. This case is so public that they should see increased risk to themselves here.

this was an extreme example. Even cops thought Chauvin mumped up.

And?  There are some extreme cops out there.  They got a warning shot
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 21, 2021, 11:23:37 AM
I think it's possible that cops can resist their desire to kill/maim when it appears there may be sufficient public sentiment that it's not acceptable and you could get 40 years.

If I were a dickhead cop I would be altering my behavior today.

For sure. Cops are acutely aware of how the court system works and what they can get away with. They behave accordingly. This case is so public that they should see increased risk to themselves here.

this was an extreme example. Even cops thought Chauvin mumped up.

And?  There are some extreme cops out there.  They got a warning shot

There aren't enough that thought what Chauvin did was right to make any meaningful impact.

yeah and I'm saying the nu
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 21, 2021, 11:26:09 AM
I think it's possible that cops can resist their desire to kill/maim when it appears there may be sufficient public sentiment that it's not acceptable and you could get 40 years.

If I were a dickhead cop I would be altering my behavior today.

If you were a dickhead cop the already existing cognitive dissonance would prevent you from altering your behavior. The systems are on your side and everything you hear in house will trump whatever you may see on tv which you're likely avoiding anyway.

I'll give you two examples of dickhead cops being allowed to be dickheads and it being actually something that's valued.

The Des Moines PD are currently under fire because the person they assigned as their newly created descalation trainer has been suspended for use of excessive force and was the subject of an $800,000 settlement for caving a dudes face in after he was cuffed. Despite the very obvious calls for him to be removed, they won't do it.

Ames is far and away the most liberal place I have ever lived, including when I lived one town west of Boston. There were people up the street from us who had their young children have a booth on the sidewalk over the weekend raising money for "Derek Chauvin's defense and the blue lives matter fund."
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 21, 2021, 11:50:26 AM
I guess we are all free to speculate on the net result.  I choose to be positive.  I choose to believe dickhead cops don't want 40 years in gen pop.  Even if they are insanely racist they still don't want to go to jail.

No one is saying the verdict is the end of abuse.  You don't need a strawman
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: chum1 on April 21, 2021, 11:55:14 AM
I think it's possible that cops can resist their desire to kill/maim when it appears there may be sufficient public sentiment that it's not acceptable and you could get 40 years.

If I were a dickhead cop I would be altering my behavior today.

For sure. Cops are acutely aware of how the court system works and what they can get away with. They behave accordingly. This case is so public that they should see increased risk to themselves here.

this was an extreme example. Even cops thought Chauvin mumped up.

I think cops saw the same thing we all did: Chauvin doing routine cop things.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 21, 2021, 11:56:44 AM
To say that cops and all lives matter folks universally decried Chauvin's actions is entirely and 100% false.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 21, 2021, 11:57:12 AM
I guess we are all free to speculate on the net result.  I choose to be positive.  I choose to believe dickhead cops don't want 40 years in gen pop.  Even if they are insanely racist they still don't want to go to jail.

No one is saying the verdict is the end of abuse.  You don't need a strawman

I'm glad you have that positivity, I don't, I literally don't feel the least bit different than what I did yesterday. When I get pulled over I'll still check my rearview hoping that I don't get approached by a cop with a gun drawn forcing me to make a snap decision on what to do with my rough ridin' hands to make sure I make it home to my family.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 21, 2021, 12:04:09 PM
no doubt.  At least we learned there are juries who will throw them away.  No consolation for the life taken obviously.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on April 21, 2021, 12:22:35 PM
Some of the worst cops might quit because of yesterday's verdict, but it doesn't do much to make cop jobs attractive to good normals.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 21, 2021, 12:31:11 PM
To say that cops and all lives matter folks universally decried Chauvin's actions is entirely and 100% false.

for sure, but the Fraternal Order of Police supported the verdict, which IMO makes it a bit unique

https://www.businessinsider.com/police-group-says-justice-has-worked-after-derek-chauvin-found-guilty-2021-4


compare to ferguson prepared statements:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimdalrympleii/documents-reveal-planned-police-response-to-darren-wilson-in
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on April 21, 2021, 12:39:06 PM
I don't think culture problems across a population as large as the collective police forces of our country will change from the one-off murder trial, hand slap, or sensitivity training.  The culture needs to be addressed daily across the population from management at all levels.  I am not sure how to do it, but it seems that somethings are simple, like daily management to enforce the end of the Thin Blue Line mantra.  Lines divide people.  Police can't be allowed to feel justified in feeling separated from those they police.

Other things like enforcement of operational body cameras 100% of the time.  If the departments managed their employees to treat their cam like they do their gun, in ensuring it is in good operation before going on duty, the bullshit about body cameras not being on during incidents will go away.

I think a big part of the problem is with a union that is too strong and has too much control, influence, and money.  Low salaries drawing poor candidates and a strong union making it hard to cull out the bad ones early enough is a huge issue.  They also need a crap load more training.  Both upfront at their academy, and continuing ed training on the job. 

A lot of the issues could most likely be helped with a lot more money that is managed by good managers who have the ability to fire poor officers.  Unfortunately, we find ourselves in a world where de-escalation is something a pussy does and where problems are thought to solve themselves once to take tax money away, so nothing is going to change.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 21, 2021, 01:12:08 PM
That's great CNS, I'm down with all of it except for "more money." However, I don't think you mean to give them more money but want more of the money they have to be utilized better.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on April 21, 2021, 01:22:40 PM
That's great CNS, I'm down with all of it except for "more money." However, I don't think you mean to give them more money but want more of the money they have to be utilized better.

Maybe.  What I mean is that salaries should be higher, at least in some areas.  I look at cops like I do teachers.  If pay is low and conditions are bad, you are only really attracting those who either feel a calling by a profession, or don't have good other options.  Those who feel a calling don't make up near enough of a quantity to fill the jobs.  Raise salaries to attract better candidates, train better and much more often, and fire early.   I don't know what the budget structure of a standard precinct is, but unless a whole crap load of money is not going to cop salaries, then I do mean more money. 

They need to get rid of military gear too.  If you want to soldier, go join the army.  Policing isn't LARPing and that crap needs to get screened out.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on April 21, 2021, 01:43:58 PM
Yeah, the military stuff is awful.  Police should look like dorks, in dorky uniforms and not paramilitary.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 21, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
To say that cops and all lives matter folks universally decried Chauvin's actions is entirely and 100% false.

for sure, but the Fraternal Order of Police supported the verdict, which IMO makes it a bit unique

https://www.businessinsider.com/police-group-says-justice-has-worked-after-derek-chauvin-found-guilty-2021-4


compare to ferguson prepared statements:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimdalrympleii/documents-reveal-planned-police-response-to-darren-wilson-in

https://twitter.com/Slate/status/1384940834974486528

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Blue Lives Matter devotees have long acknowledged the so-called bad apples scattered among U.S. police departments. Chauvin the murderer, in this view, is the exception that proves the rule. His conviction isn’t the very least Floyd’s community should expect after a neighbor was murdered, by a government employee, with their tax dollars. It’s proof that the system as it exists is not broken at all, that those advocating for systemic change are ginning up support for a radical agenda by manufacturing outrage over nothing, and that when something truly bad happens—like the murder of George Floyd—justice is served. Just last week, Pirro said of 13-year-old Adam Toledo, who was killed by a Chicago police officer last month, “He is a criminal. This is a war. This is not the time to feel sorry for anybody.” On Tuesday, just after Pirro reassured Fox News viewers that “the American justice system works,” she suggested that Chauvin’s conviction has made protest superfluous. “For all those people that want to burn down streets, just let the courts do its job,” she said.

Anyone invested in the “few bad apples” theory of why U.S. police kill about 1,000 people each year couldn’t ask for a better man to make an example of than Derek Chauvin. Last summer, as Floyd’s murder prompted weeks of protests and violent police crackdowns on demonstrators, I interviewed several current and former police officers from all over the country about Floyd’s murder. Not only did every single one of them tell me that Chauvin was clearly in the wrong, but they also said they didn’t know any cops who’d defend him. “I do think Chauvin should be charged with murder, and everyone I’ve talked to agrees,” said Maurice Henry, a patrol officer in Kansas.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on April 21, 2021, 02:19:36 PM
lol


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 21, 2021, 03:33:36 PM
They started with the "jury made that decision because they would sacrifice good guy Chauvin for the greater good and avoid riots" but have now pivoted to "string Chauvin up!"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on April 21, 2021, 08:15:40 PM
Anyone here have a problem with the cop in Columbus, Ohio shooting that black teenage girl?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on April 21, 2021, 08:29:06 PM
cops in most metros make a crap ton of money.  i don't know where the myth that they're underpaid comes from.  police from the middle of buttfuck nowhere, i guess.  i'm sure that the minneapolis police are not underpaid.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 21, 2021, 08:30:52 PM
Anyone here have a problem with the cop in Columbus, Ohio shooting that black teenage girl?

Yeah definitely. But it's one of those like 95% of people (or at least white people) are OK with.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on April 21, 2021, 08:37:23 PM
Anyone here have a problem with the cop in Columbus, Ohio shooting that black teenage girl?

Yeah definitely. But it's one of those like 95% of people (or at least white people) are OK with.
What’s the solution to knife wielders? Some kind of non-lethal incapacitator/taser?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 21, 2021, 08:39:17 PM
Anyone here have a problem with the cop in Columbus, Ohio shooting that black teenage girl?

Yeah definitely. But it's one of those like 95% of people (or at least white people) are OK with.
What’s the solution to knife wielders? Some kind of non-lethal incapacitator/taser?

I don't know, what does like the entire rest of the world do?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on April 21, 2021, 08:48:08 PM
Anyone here have a problem with the cop in Columbus, Ohio shooting that black teenage girl?

Yeah definitely. But it's one of those like 95% of people (or at least white people) are OK with.
What’s the solution to knife wielders? Some kind of non-lethal incapacitator/taser?

I don't know, what does like the entire rest of the world do?

Not have the Second Amendment, mostly. I think this is one of those "lawful but awful" scenarios that the Chauvin defense was trying to piggyback off of. In my perfect world, like yours, cops wouldn't carry guns. But they have to, because everyone has guns. In this scenario, I guess he could have tried to bum rush and tackle the knife wielder, but if that was not possible, it's kind of tough to say he should let the knife wielder stab the other girl one or more times until the cop could (hopefully) physically restrain the knife wielder. That said, I don't think we need to be training cops to shoot to kill every single time. Sometimes less is more.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 21, 2021, 09:07:32 PM
Anyone here have a problem with the cop in Columbus, Ohio shooting that black teenage girl?

Yeah definitely. But it's one of those like 95% of people (or at least white people) are OK with.
What’s the solution to knife wielders? Some kind of non-lethal incapacitator/taser?

I watched a video today where a white teenager stabbed a cop in the neck then ran off. The cop, while bleeding from his neck, tazed and cuffed the kid.

We have no idea if that girl was actually going to stab that other girl, I do know she's dead though. I don't know what the right answer is here, but I do reject the notion that lethal force is all that could have been done. I don't even know why cops carry tazers if shooting to kill at any even sense of danger is acceptable.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 21, 2021, 09:08:47 PM
Anyone here have a problem with the cop in Columbus, Ohio shooting that black teenage girl?

Yeah definitely. But it's one of those like 95% of people (or at least white people) are OK with.
What’s the solution to knife wielders? Some kind of non-lethal incapacitator/taser?

I don't know, what does like the entire rest of the world do?

Not have the Second Amendment, mostly. I think this is one of those "lawful but awful" scenarios that the Chauvin defense was trying to piggyback off of. In my perfect world, like yours, cops wouldn't carry guns. But they have to, because everyone has guns. In this scenario, I guess he could have tried to bum rush and tackle the knife wielder, but if that was not possible, it's kind of tough to say he should let the knife wielder stab the other girl one or more times until the cop could (hopefully) physically restrain the knife wielder. That said, I don't think we need to be training cops to shoot to kill every single time. Sometimes less is more.

The second amendment shouldn't impact how cops deal with knife wielders.

But I don't think cops need guns for most of what they're asked to do, just based on the possibility that someone they interact with might have a gun. (I also think cops are asked to do a lot of things they shouldn't be asked to do.)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 21, 2021, 09:14:50 PM
That's great CNS, I'm down with all of it except for "more money." However, I don't think you mean to give them more money but want more of the money they have to be utilized better.

Maybe.  What I mean is that salaries should be higher, at least in some areas.  I look at cops like I do teachers.  If pay is low and conditions are bad, you are only really attracting those who either feel a calling by a profession, or don't have good other options.  Those who feel a calling don't make up near enough of a quantity to fill the jobs.  Raise salaries to attract better candidates, train better and much more often, and fire early.   I don't know what the budget structure of a standard precinct is, but unless a whole crap load of money is not going to cop salaries, then I do mean more money. 

They need to get rid of military gear too.  If you want to soldier, go join the army.  Policing isn't LARPing and that crap needs to get screened out.

Average salary for a Des Moines police officer is $65,000. There are some regular ass beat cops making around $100,000. The chief is around $200,000.

The average salary for an Iowan with a bachelor's degree is $48,000. How much more do the cops need to make? Safe to say the investments in the police nationwide, is leading to diminishing returns.
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on April 21, 2021, 09:41:18 PM
Cops certainly should have tazed the girl.

There was zero reason to pull a gun when a taser was available.

All those adults standing around not trying to break it up is insane to me as well

There’s got to be better rules of engagement


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on April 21, 2021, 10:35:18 PM
Anyone here have a problem with the cop in Columbus, Ohio shooting that black teenage girl?

Yeah definitely. But it's one of those like 95% of people (or at least white people) are OK with.
What’s the solution to knife wielders? Some kind of non-lethal incapacitator/taser?

I don't know, what does like the entire rest of the world do?

Not have the Second Amendment, mostly. I think this is one of those "lawful but awful" scenarios that the Chauvin defense was trying to piggyback off of. In my perfect world, like yours, cops wouldn't carry guns. But they have to, because everyone has guns. In this scenario, I guess he could have tried to bum rush and tackle the knife wielder, but if that was not possible, it's kind of tough to say he should let the knife wielder stab the other girl one or more times until the cop could (hopefully) physically restrain the knife wielder. That said, I don't think we need to be training cops to shoot to kill every single time. Sometimes less is more.

I beg to differ, cops are taught to shoot a suspect in the knee or shoulder.  The knee to stop a charge or flee, shoulder of suspect side with weapon.  Personally told by cops at our safety meetings.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on April 21, 2021, 10:44:45 PM
I think cops should have non lethal bullets.  The velocity and type of material the bullet is constructed from should be an consideration of police issue for the streets.  Believe it or not, rubber bullets can cause injury depending on body location.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 21, 2021, 11:51:41 PM
Cops certainly should have tazed the girl.

There was zero reason to pull a gun when a taser was available.

All those adults standing around not trying to break it up is insane to me as well

There’s got to be better rules of engagement


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also I just watched the full video and the cop could have tackled her from behind easily but reached for his gun instead. Also there were 4 cops there
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MadCat on April 22, 2021, 09:10:13 AM
I think cops should have non lethal bullets.  The velocity and type of material the bullet is constructed from should be an consideration of police issue for the streets.  Believe it or not, rubber bullets can cause injury depending on body location.
I think I would be in favor of this as long as people didn't get shot in the head.  Getting shot in the body should be enough to make anyone rethink what they are doing.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: WildcatNkilt on April 22, 2021, 03:29:05 PM
Cops certainly should have tazed the girl.

There was zero reason to pull a gun when a taser was available.

All those adults standing around not trying to break it up is insane to me as well

There’s got to be better rules of engagement


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also I just watched the full video and the cop could have tackled her from behind easily but reached for his gun instead. Also there were 4 cops there

Are warning shots frowned upon?  One would think firing a couple shots in the air would get some attention and the girl would be on the ground with the knife dropped immediately.  But I guess what goes up (i.e. bullets) must come down.

What about trying to shoot a calf instead? 

Seems like there were other options.  The cop could have easily missed and hit a couple of the bystandards in the background.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: _33 on April 22, 2021, 03:49:59 PM
Maybe if he'd done something non lethal both girls would be alive, maybe not.  But people on this board/social media speaking confidently about what police officers should do in life threatening situations that they themselves have never experienced is extremely silly.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2021, 03:52:49 PM
Maybe if he'd done something non lethal both girls would be alive, maybe not.  But people on this board/social media speaking confidently about what police officers should do in life threatening situations that they themselves have never experienced is extremely silly.
I don't blame the cop, I blame the entire system - how they are trained and what they're asked to do. There's a good chance I'd do the exact same thing he did in the situation.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on April 22, 2021, 07:10:55 PM
I’ve always heard police are trained to use deadly force if the gun is drawn and that’s fine

But the rules for engagement/use of that force has to change.

Walking up to two teenagers fighting with a cadre of police should immediately signal that guns aren’t needed.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 22, 2021, 07:29:26 PM
Here's what other people are saying.   I'm sure the usual suspects will lose their crap as always because I posted an article about what some witnesses are saying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9500075/MaKhia-Bryants-neighbor-says-security-camera-footage-shows-cop-no-choice-shoot-her.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: chum1 on April 22, 2021, 07:31:45 PM
https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1385292068029927426
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on April 22, 2021, 08:52:14 PM
At least he kept it gender neutral
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 23, 2021, 09:21:21 AM
I’ve always heard police are trained to use deadly force if the gun is drawn and that’s fine

But the rules for engagement/use of that force has to change.

Walking up to two teenagers fighting with a cadre of police should immediately signal that guns aren’t needed.


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If a knife is drawn, I don't have much problem with that person getting shot.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on April 23, 2021, 12:49:37 PM
I mean it seems like a great time for the tazer
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 23, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
Sure. I just think it would have been worse if the other woman would have been stabbed while the police just stood there and watched.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kim carnes on April 23, 2021, 01:17:07 PM
Don’t they carry stun guns, not tasers???
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 23, 2021, 04:34:26 PM
Don’t they carry stun guns, not tasers???

Really? No man, cops don't have stun guns, they have tasers.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kim carnes on April 23, 2021, 06:44:48 PM
Don’t they carry stun guns, not tasers???

Really? No man, cops don't have stun guns, they have tasers.

I thought they had the thing that you shoot at people like in the movie hangover?  And I thought that was a stun gun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kim carnes on April 23, 2021, 06:49:09 PM
I guess I’ve got them swapped.  It seems risky to rely on a taser in life threatening situations, what if those things don’t stick??
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on April 23, 2021, 08:44:47 PM
Then shoot.

Seems like starting with the least lethal solution seems prudent.

Haven't watched but guarantee that there was more than one cop present.

Give the tazer a whirl and adjust accordingly.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on April 23, 2021, 08:47:50 PM
I guess I’ve got them swapped.  It seems risky to rely on a taser in life threatening situations, what if those things don’t stick??
What exactly do you think those things are for? Just whenever the cop doesn’t feel threatened but wants to shoot something?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 23, 2021, 08:59:38 PM
cops shouldn't have tazers, either
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on April 23, 2021, 09:29:10 PM
I'm coming around to the idea of non-lethal bullets. Those still hurt like hell and should stop ppl in their tracks.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on April 23, 2021, 09:29:24 PM
the cop that shot the girl shouldn't be charged with murder, but he should be fired.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: _33 on April 23, 2021, 09:40:23 PM
Then shoot.

Seems like starting with the least lethal solution seems prudent.

Haven't watched but guarantee that there was more than one cop present.

Give the tazer a whirl and adjust accordingly.

Yeah, give the tazer a whirl and if that other girl still gets stabbed in the chest, then adjust accordingly.  Easy peasy.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kim carnes on April 23, 2021, 09:54:57 PM
I guess I’ve got them swapped.  It seems risky to rely on a taser in life threatening situations, what if those things don’t stick??
What exactly do you think those things are for? Just whenever the cop doesn’t feel threatened but wants to shoot something?

Not when someone has a knife at someone’s neck.  Quit being a clown. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kim carnes on April 23, 2021, 09:58:59 PM
By far the best alternative would’ve been tackling her.  Not using a taser.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on April 24, 2021, 12:45:58 AM
I guess I’ve got them swapped.  It seems risky to rely on a taser in life threatening situations, what if those things don’t stick??
What exactly do you think those things are for? Just whenever the cop doesn’t feel threatened but wants to shoot something?

Not when someone has a knife at someone’s neck.  Quit being a clown.
Not one of your more graceful pivots if we’re being honest.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on April 26, 2021, 05:14:21 PM
So there seems to be some fuckery going on in north Carolina. Guy was shot in his car last week while being served a warrant. City declares a state of emergency this morning expecting civil unrest and will be showing the family the body cam around noon. Family and lawyers show up at the time given but cops aren't ready and make them wait for a few hours. Family finally sees the video after the cops tried to keep the lawyer out of the room. Family and lawyers have a press conference and say they were allowed to watch 20 seconds of EDITED footage from 1 of 10 cops on scene and it began after shooting had already started. Sheriff tells the lawyer that he "won't be rough ridin' intimidated" into releasing more. 7 of the cops are on leave, 1 decided to retire.

Absolute clusterfuck
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on April 26, 2021, 09:10:57 PM
Well that sounds all kinds of mumped up
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on April 26, 2021, 10:00:53 PM
sounds like the video probably would totally exonerate the cops.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 26, 2021, 10:18:50 PM
Dipping into the TexAgs Chauvin Verdict Watch game thread from last Tuesday. Hoo boy.

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I think Chauvin is innocent of all charges.

I've watched people die and it's never easy. I understand that if all the public has seen is the 9 minute video, they would think Chauvin had to have been the cause and the way the media has played the race card on police shootings despite no evidence of any systemic bias, the public wants blood.

But if I'm the jury foreman, I'm not giving it to them. I've been jury foreman twice and if I were foreman on that jury I would tell everyone there is no way we're going to give any verdict and we're not even going to hold a preliminary vote because I don't want word to leak and any of the jurors to have the mob unleashed on them. I wait 24 hours and then send a note to the judge demanding 10 years of 24/7 police protection for all the jurors as a condition of rendering a verdict.

The judge can't offer that and will declare a mistrial and hopefully nobody on the jury gets killed.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MadCat on April 27, 2021, 09:16:57 AM
I would hope that guy gets weeded out a jury selection
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on April 27, 2021, 09:21:45 AM
Yeah, they were extremely worried about the jury being murdered.

Now they have spent a week posting millions of "was this person on the Chauvin jury?" threads where they post a picture of a minority or "liberal" woman.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on April 27, 2021, 05:47:48 PM
Is cop cam footage not 100% public record?  Has this not already been hashed out in court? 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on April 29, 2021, 02:14:42 PM
so a local bay area town killed a guy for being drunk and hurting absolutely no one. Lesson: Never call the cops

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1387386243512680449?s=20

(the start of this is the calls and then the cops show up and kill him):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBJnToNolHw

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 29, 2021, 04:08:02 PM
The cops should be fired and charged with serious crimes.

Also in life threatening situations or if say there's a roll over of a car with people trapped inside, do not call the cops, try to extricate them yourselves and if you can't, simply walk away.

In a life threatening situation, try to negotiate for your life, do not call law enforcement.  Defend yourself with a gun if need be, that always works out well.  Do not call the cops per cRusty, no matter what.





Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 07, 2021, 12:45:52 PM
what is texags saying??!?

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1390636142249324544

also I saw someone on twitter, maybe sys, make the comment that for things to change, white people will need to recognize cops have no issue beating tasing/shooting/beating the crap out of white people with almost as much terrifying glee as they do minorities.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 07, 2021, 01:00:38 PM
what is texags saying??!?

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1390636142249324544

also I saw someone on twitter, maybe sys, make the comment that for things to change, white people will need to recognize cops have no issue beating tasing/shooting/beating the crap out of white people with almost as much terrifying glee as they do minorities.

With just as much, particularly poor white people.

If all that dude did was Jaywalk, then those cops are operating about $100k worth of vehicles dangerously just to catch a jaywalker. 

Kind of like the Highway Patrol barreling down the Interstate at 120 to catch up to someone who was going 10 over.

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on May 07, 2021, 01:06:05 PM
what is texags saying??!?

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1390636142249324544

also I saw someone on twitter, maybe sys, make the comment that for things to change, white people will need to recognize cops have no issue beating tasing/shooting/beating the crap out of white people with almost as much terrifying glee as they do minorities.

Any write ups on this? I have a hard time believing there's not something that occurred beforehand that explains why the Cops were immediately on his ass and on high alert. Then again, I'm not dismissing the possibility that the story is as presented. Don't come at me.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on May 07, 2021, 01:09:06 PM
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3198180
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 07, 2021, 01:18:56 PM
what is texags saying??!?

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1390636142249324544

also I saw someone on twitter, maybe sys, make the comment that for things to change, white people will need to recognize cops have no issue beating tasing/shooting/beating the crap out of white people with almost as much terrifying glee as they do minorities.

Any write ups on this? I have a hard time believing there's not something that occurred beforehand that explains why the Cops were immediately on his ass and on high alert. Then again, I'm not dismissing the possibility that the story is as presented. Don't come at me.

Quote
Police said at 1:04 p.m. the bicyclist was seen running through a red light at University and Nagle Street.

“Bicyclists on the roadway are required to follow the same rules and responsibilities as motorists.,” said CSPD spokesman Officer Tristen Lopez. “The bicyclist initially stopped when one of our officers initiated a traffic stop, but then continued riding. The officer followed the bicyclist until other officers arrived and they were able to take the bicyclist into custody.”

“A large percentage of crashes can be avoided if motorists and cyclists follow the rules of the road and watch out for each other,” said Officer Lopez.

Per department policy, an ambulance is dispatched anytime someone is tased by an officer, and in this case, the man complained of injuries and was transported by medics to a hospital, police confirmed.

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1390638057490104325
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 07, 2021, 01:25:33 PM
Quote
“Bicyclists on the roadway are required to follow the same rules and responsibilities as motorists.,”

this is just completely false.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on May 07, 2021, 01:26:40 PM
I can’t find anyone to root for in this one.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on May 07, 2021, 01:28:31 PM
I can’t find anyone to root for in this one.

Kinda where I'm at. On the one hand, that is not a proportional use of force given the threat. On the other hand, don't try to evade cops. Dude is lucky he's white.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 07, 2021, 01:33:23 PM
Quote
“Bicyclists on the roadway are required to follow the same rules and responsibilities as motorists.,”

this is just completely false.

In all 50 states, people on bikes are required to follow the same laws as other drivers.

https://bikeleague.org/content/traffic-laws

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on May 07, 2021, 01:38:42 PM
I can’t find anyone to root for in this one.

Kinda where I'm at. On the one hand, that is not a proportional use of force given the threat. On the other hand, don't try to evade cops. Dude is lucky he's white.

No, as documented here, best to avoid all cops. But the community members should’ve taken him down before the cops did.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 07, 2021, 01:54:18 PM
Quote
“Bicyclists on the roadway are required to follow the same rules and responsibilities as motorists.,”

this is just completely false.

In all 50 states, people on bikes are required to follow the same laws as other drivers.

https://bikeleague.org/content/traffic-laws

that statement is not accurate, "bikeleague.org"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 07, 2021, 02:08:02 PM
bad thread for this but what laws in particular apply to cars, not bikes?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 07, 2021, 02:30:17 PM
bad thread for this but what laws in particular apply to cars, not bikes?
Idaho stops (in some places)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 07, 2021, 02:33:50 PM
bad thread for this but what laws in particular apply to cars, not bikes?
Idaho stops (in some places)

What is this?  Is this where a biker thinks that they do not have to stop at a stop sign?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 07, 2021, 02:37:13 PM
bad thread for this but what laws in particular apply to cars, not bikes?
Idaho stops (in some places)

What is this?  Is this where a biker thinks that they do not have to stop at a stop sign?
It's where they are legally allowed to.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 07, 2021, 02:44:23 PM
Yeah that is the main one I was thinking of. It's the law in kcmo but not Missouri iirc
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 07, 2021, 02:45:28 PM
I also ride my bike the wrong way on a one way street right in front of a police substation almost daily
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 19, 2021, 07:43:40 PM
Dirty rough ridin' pigs
https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/1395151276422443010
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on May 20, 2021, 08:42:16 AM
No cops in PoundTown.

https://twitter.com/WKRN/status/1395332820445323268
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on May 21, 2021, 11:00:20 AM
Will be interesting to see how this shakes out; KCMO re-allocate more than $40 million in budget funds from direct police funding to social/community programs. Basically police funds dropped from $247 million to just over 200 million.

https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_news/tempers-flare-over-change-in-kcmo-police-budget/article_a716ef2e-b9e6-11eb-ad63-5f13f656b0fa.html

Edited: because reading is hard
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 21, 2021, 11:19:02 AM
Honestly kinda glad the bicyclist got roughed up.. That should happen more in MHK
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on May 21, 2021, 01:02:07 PM
Will be interesting to see how this shakes out; KCMO re-allocate 5.7 million in budget funds from direct police funding to social/community programs. Basically police funds dropped from $247 million to just over 241 million. Tbh, prob not enough of a difference to mean much either way.

https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_news/tempers-flare-over-change-in-kcmo-police-budget/article_a716ef2e-b9e6-11eb-ad63-5f13f656b0fa.html

Star article yesterday said $40 million in reallocation
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on May 21, 2021, 01:16:59 PM
Will be interesting to see how this shakes out; KCMO re-allocate 5.7 million in budget funds from direct police funding to social/community programs. Basically police funds dropped from $247 million to just over 241 million. Tbh, prob not enough of a difference to mean much either way.

https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_news/tempers-flare-over-change-in-kcmo-police-budget/article_a716ef2e-b9e6-11eb-ad63-5f13f656b0fa.html

Star article yesterday said $40 million in reallocation

You’re right. I misread. Should be a better measuring stick.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: dal9 on May 21, 2021, 06:11:06 PM
No cops in PoundTown.

https://twitter.com/WKRN/status/1395332820445323268

crap, i was gonna take this girl to Pound Town this weekend.  now i will have to cancel.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on May 21, 2021, 08:48:27 PM
Yeah it’s too bad but these days you can’t take anyone to Pound Town without protection.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on May 21, 2021, 11:40:06 PM
Protection is a hard thing to pull off in PoundTown.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2021, 09:31:04 AM
https://www.c-ville.com/swat-ptsd-albemarle-police-sued-false-imprisonment/#.Vxp6xfkrK70
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 24, 2021, 06:46:31 PM
Mayor Q taking control of some of the police budget is already paying dividends.
For example watch as kcmo cops don't kill a black kid waving a gun around after bar close

https://youtu.be/kPEz6HlSba4
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 24, 2021, 07:52:46 PM
Mayor Q taking control of some of the police budget is already paying dividends.
For example watch as kcmo cops don't kill a black kid waving a gun around after bar close

https://youtu.be/kPEz6HlSba4

Why didn't they taze ol boy tho?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 24, 2021, 07:56:40 PM
Mayor Q taking control of some of the police budget is already paying dividends.
For example watch as kcmo cops don't kill a black kid waving a gun around after bar close

https://youtu.be/kPEz6HlSba4

Why didn't they taze ol boy tho?
Idk. maybe bc his finger was on the trigger? This sounds flippant but I'm asking genuinely
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 24, 2021, 08:11:45 PM
Was anyone hurt?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 24, 2021, 08:22:21 PM
Mayor Q taking control of some of the police budget is already paying dividends.
For example watch as kcmo cops don't kill a black kid waving a gun around after bar close

https://youtu.be/kPEz6HlSba4

Why didn't they taze ol boy tho?
Idk. maybe bc his finger was on the trigger? This sounds flippant but I'm asking genuinely
It seems like tackling him worked fine
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 24, 2021, 09:12:59 PM
I wasn't asking about the result, my eyes work fine, I was wondering why they let someone with a firearm drawn walk around in a group of people, like what's the police procedure at work here? I like where mocat is thinking.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 24, 2021, 10:29:44 PM
Is holding a handgun in public even illegal in Missouri?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on May 25, 2021, 09:05:41 AM
Is holding a handgun in public even illegal in Missouri?
*571.030.  Unlawful use of weapons — exceptions — penalties. — 1.  A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by sections 571.101 to 571.121, if he or she knowingly:
[...]
 (4)  Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2021, 09:11:33 AM


Is holding a handgun in public even illegal in Missouri?
*571.030.  Unlawful use of weapons — exceptions — penalties. — 1.  A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by sections 571.101 to 571.121, if he or she knowingly:
[...]
 (4)  Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or

Seems like there's a lot of room for interpretation there!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on May 25, 2021, 09:13:57 AM


Is holding a handgun in public even illegal in Missouri?
*571.030.  Unlawful use of weapons — exceptions — penalties. — 1.  A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by sections 571.101 to 571.121, if he or she knowingly:
[...]
 (4)  Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or

Seems like there's a lot of room for interpretation there!
Well, yeah, in some cases.  Not very much gray in the situation in the video though.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2021, 09:15:33 AM
It seems like anyone openly carrying would be in violation of that law.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on May 25, 2021, 09:16:10 AM
It seems like anyone openly carrying would be in violation of that law.
Nope.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2021, 09:16:17 AM
I'm not a lawyer, but some of these laws seem like they were written by some real dopes.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2021, 09:16:55 AM
It seems like anyone openly carrying would be in violation of that law.
Nope.
Any weapon is "readily capable of lethal use"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on May 25, 2021, 09:17:51 AM
It seems like anyone openly carrying would be in violation of that law.
Nope.
Any weapon is "readily capable of lethal use"
But not every openly carried weapon is "exhibited...in an angry or threatening manner."
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2021, 09:18:55 AM


It seems like anyone openly carrying would be in violation of that law.
Nope.
Any weapon is "readily capable of lethal use"
But not every openly carried weapon is "exhibited...in any angry or threatening manner."

But it's always "capable" of being used that way. The law needs an editor is what I'm saying.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: DQ12 on May 25, 2021, 09:22:21 AM


It seems like anyone openly carrying would be in violation of that law.
Nope.
Any weapon is "readily capable of lethal use"
But not every openly carried weapon is "exhibited...in any angry or threatening manner."

But it's always "capable" of being used that way. The law needs an editor is what I'm saying.
I don't get why you're having a hard time with it.  That statute doesn't forbid open carrying.  It forbids, what basically amounts to, brandishing a deadly weapon. 

And not every "weapon" is readily capable of lethal force.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2021, 09:26:26 AM
It's just sloppy grammar.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 25, 2021, 09:26:56 AM
can you legally hold a gun in your hand and walk around in public?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 25, 2021, 09:27:32 AM
like as long as you're smiling while you do it it's ok?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on May 25, 2021, 10:38:08 AM
Erm. Not in Kentucky and we have some pretty lax open/concealed carry laws.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on May 25, 2021, 01:53:14 PM
like as long as you're smiling while you do it it's ok?
I’d need to see it, but clutching a firearm with a big smile on your face sounds threatening AF to me.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2021, 02:10:51 PM
like as long as you're smiling while you do it it's ok?
I’d need to see it, but clutching a firearm with a big smile on your face sounds threatening AF to me.

anyone clutching a firearm (when not like hunting or at a range) seems pretty threatening regardless of facial expression. Like I see someone on the sidewalk with their hand on a gun I'm going to try to avoid them
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 25, 2021, 02:13:54 PM
I'm just trying to figure out the difference between holding a gun legally and illegally
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2021, 02:27:36 PM
I'm just trying to figure out the difference between holding a gun legally and illegally
Like I said, there's plenty of room for interpretation!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on May 25, 2021, 03:23:12 PM
Brandish should be the operative word imo
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on May 25, 2021, 03:24:29 PM
"Exhibit" definitely leaves some leeway.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2021, 03:47:48 PM
[...]
 (4)  Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or

here is my edit

Quote
Exhibits Brandishes, in an angry or threatening manner in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on May 25, 2021, 03:55:28 PM

bran·dish
/?brandiSH/
 
verb
wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.
"a man leaped out brandishing a knife"
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on May 25, 2021, 03:59:03 PM
 https://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/Brandishing_Display_of_Firearm.pdf (https://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/Brandishing_Display_of_Firearm.pdf)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on May 25, 2021, 05:29:33 PM

bran·dish
/?brandiSH/
 
verb
wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.
"a man leaped out brandishing a knife"
Yeah I think “exhibiting in a threatening manner” is basically brandishing. I’d interpret them the same and neither seems particularly vague IMO.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 11, 2021, 04:21:15 PM
https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1402768122688544769?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 11, 2021, 04:34:43 PM
https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1402768122688544769?s=20
Cops suck so much
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on June 11, 2021, 05:16:57 PM
Not his car.  He doesn't have to pay for damage.

She was technically breaking the law.

PIT is probably something he has been wanting to do for a long time.

We gotta get rid of the eff Yeah policing crowd. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on June 11, 2021, 05:19:46 PM
Not his car.  He doesn't have to pay for damage.

She was technically breaking the law.

PIT is probably something he has been wanting to do for a long time.

We gotta get rid of the eff Yeah policing crowd.
https://twitter.com/Bennyfromottawa/status/1402973748584718338?s=19
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on June 11, 2021, 05:20:15 PM
yeah she was following exactly the law
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on June 11, 2021, 05:20:33 PM
she is going to get PAID
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on June 11, 2021, 07:32:28 PM
I'm always surprised when the LEO involved is a State Trooper. They go through far more rigorous training and mental evaluation than city cops and sheriff's deputies.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on June 11, 2021, 10:57:41 PM
[redacted] should get the chair, not kidding either.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on June 12, 2021, 12:32:18 AM
Yeah it’s hard to describe everything wrong with that move.
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2021, 10:49:56 AM
Fired and charged with attempted vehicular manslaughter or similar.

In Huntsville there’s a cop who has been convicted of murder who is still on the HPD payroll.

Its mumped up on so many levels.   Growing area, massive investment, growing high paying job base. 

Let’s work to keep perpetuating those negative impressions.  FFS
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 13, 2021, 11:44:27 AM
she is going to get PAID

Are we sure she is still alive? The first tweet said she was pregnant. I don't know if that means she died or she lost the baby.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on June 13, 2021, 12:33:52 PM
she is going to get PAID

Are we sure she is still alive? The first tweet said she was pregnant. I don't know if that means she died or she lost the baby.

She was on CNN last week and reported the baby was born and is doing fine.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 13, 2021, 12:38:11 PM
Oh, that's good to hear.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on June 13, 2021, 12:46:28 PM
Oh, that's good to hear.

Pretty remarkable, really.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on June 13, 2021, 07:10:27 PM
https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1404220794096455684?s=19

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2021, 08:55:36 PM
I’d set the positive to negative things cops do in the entire history of cops at like 1:1.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on June 13, 2021, 09:50:29 PM
1:10.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 23, 2021, 10:39:01 AM
I don't know where to put Shaun King stuff:

https://twitter.com/WrittenByHanna/status/1407526541358157825?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wiley on June 29, 2021, 06:11:05 PM
https://jalopnik.com/arkansas-teenager-who-was-trying-to-fix-his-truck-kille-1847193494 (https://jalopnik.com/arkansas-teenager-who-was-trying-to-fix-his-truck-kille-1847193494)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on June 29, 2021, 09:19:49 PM
https://jalopnik.com/arkansas-teenager-who-was-trying-to-fix-his-truck-kille-1847193494 (https://jalopnik.com/arkansas-teenager-who-was-trying-to-fix-his-truck-kille-1847193494)

jesus, cops are rough ridin' awful
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 10, 2021, 12:37:11 AM
https://youtube.com/shorts/XwHUqy_J0BI?feature=share
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 10, 2021, 12:39:27 PM
https://jalopnik.com/arkansas-teenager-who-was-trying-to-fix-his-truck-kille-1847193494 (https://jalopnik.com/arkansas-teenager-who-was-trying-to-fix-his-truck-kille-1847193494)

This family is now represented by Benjamin Crump
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on July 10, 2021, 01:11:29 PM
https://jalopnik.com/arkansas-teenager-who-was-trying-to-fix-his-truck-kille-1847193494 (https://jalopnik.com/arkansas-teenager-who-was-trying-to-fix-his-truck-kille-1847193494)

This family is now represented by Benjamin Crump
Wow Al Sharpton gave the eulogy too

https://apnews.com/article/al-sharpton-george-floyd-arkansas-death-of-george-floyd-shootings-2b1e7f3caf9df55fca68f27719b30cef
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on July 24, 2021, 04:27:24 PM
Holy crap

https://twitter.com/sivrajxx/status/1418999469241257990?s=21


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on July 24, 2021, 04:56:16 PM
Holy crap

https://twitter.com/sivrajxx/status/1418999469241257990?s=21


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What's the rest of the story, here?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on July 24, 2021, 05:33:18 PM
Holy crap

https://twitter.com/sivrajxx/status/1418999469241257990?s=21


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What's the rest of the story, here?
https://www.facebook.com/140549396033336/posts/4347800501974850/?d=n


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 25, 2021, 11:24:25 AM
I saw another video from the officer's body cam and it was pretty clear nothing was being planted. They were arresting another passenger (maybe driver) and found the bag on him. Another officer gave it to this one who put it back in the car because he "didn't want to hold on to it"

The gross part is the police found "specs of green" in an empty baggie and used that as a basis for a vehicle search. Dunno why they were stopped or the guy arrested.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on July 25, 2021, 03:16:41 PM
Stopped for speeding and issued a citation.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 03, 2021, 09:41:41 AM
back the blue

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1422567954315612164?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 25, 2021, 01:24:33 PM
As if you didn't have enough reasons to avoid all cops

https://twitter.com/createcraig/status/1430595241350926342
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2021, 01:57:38 AM
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1430593840256360455
https://twitter.com/Sifill_LDF/status/1430611757253398534
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on August 26, 2021, 07:27:15 AM
Cousin was an ER doc in New Orleans in the early 90's

He often talked about how police would bring guys in that were brutalized and laugh saying they "fell down the stairs" and leave
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 26, 2021, 08:29:10 AM
Cousin was an ER doc in New Orleans in the early 90's

He often talked about how police would bring guys in that were brutalized and laugh saying they "fell down the stairs" and leave

Welcome to Cops 101 for decades upon decades

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on August 26, 2021, 02:48:34 PM
true story
best to avoid all cops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on September 02, 2021, 04:49:00 PM
https://twitter.com/PplsCityCouncil/status/1433256670369619969
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on September 03, 2021, 01:17:12 PM
These people ain’t seen a brown skin man since their grandparents bought one
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on September 15, 2021, 12:47:26 PM
jesus, cops, what the eff

https://twitter.com/ncroal/status/1437960270752665602
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on September 29, 2021, 09:44:14 AM
https://twitter.com/EricHaywood/status/1442957910674329600
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on September 29, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
jesus, cops, what the eff

https://twitter.com/ncroal/status/1437960270752665602

holy crap
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on October 31, 2021, 02:53:07 PM
They are all such dumbfucks

https://twitter.com/Imposter_Edits/status/1454534189890641923?t=va8LOhg249DaA_kFGmpWUA&s=19
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on November 01, 2021, 11:34:48 AM
JFC.  The cop was so eager to run that guy over so he didn't see the only car in a basically empty parking lot.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on November 01, 2021, 09:17:21 PM
If they were equipped correctly, they could of shot him with a rubber bullet.  It would slow him down so he could have been caught without the dangerous driving.  The great thing about it is no one gets hurt. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on November 02, 2021, 08:28:34 PM
Could have also just let him go
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on November 02, 2021, 09:12:55 PM
Could have also just let him go

If he was stealing your stuff would you feel the same way.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on November 02, 2021, 09:24:42 PM


Could have also just let him go

If he was stealing your stuff would you feel the same way.

Yes I don't own anything worth running someone over or even shooting with rubber bullets over.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 02, 2021, 09:38:58 PM
If he were stealing my stuff I would have run him down on foot and speared his ass.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2021, 11:29:12 PM
Could have also just let him go

If he was stealing your stuff would you feel the same way.

That cop running ol boy over isn't going to get your crap back? Do you think the owner of that car thinks those cops should have run that guy down?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on November 04, 2021, 09:51:09 AM
bit of a mhk connection here, Trace lived there until about middle school, his dad played at k-state and was a teacher in manhattan. trace played at okie st.

https://twitter.com/Trace_Clark/status/1452062297040605186
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on November 04, 2021, 09:00:00 PM
Could have also just let him go

If he was stealing your stuff would you feel the same way.

That cop running ol boy over isn't going to get your crap back? Do you think the owner of that car thinks those cops should have run that guy down?

Apparently you didn't brother to read my previous post.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on November 12, 2021, 08:26:01 AM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1458469521514184708
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on November 12, 2021, 02:52:37 PM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1458469521514184708

rough ridin' juvenile delinquent.  :lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on December 03, 2021, 06:53:49 AM
https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1466118207425634310
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2021, 07:28:28 AM
https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1466118207425634310
Holy rough ridin' crap
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on December 03, 2021, 08:27:34 AM
HOLY rough ridin' crap
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on December 03, 2021, 08:35:09 AM
what the eff was that
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2021, 08:36:58 AM
what the eff was that
It was a murder of a guy in a motorized wheelchair
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: WildcatNkilt on December 03, 2021, 10:32:53 AM
What in the absolute eff!?  9 rough ridin' shots to a guy in a wheelchair?  Is this real?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 03, 2021, 11:18:18 AM
back the blue you commies. I'm sure there was a good explanation
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 03, 2021, 11:23:20 AM
Yikes
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2021, 11:23:39 AM
back the blue you commies. I'm sure there was a good explanation

the explanation was he was protecting the store employee who also happened to be in the cop's line of fire
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on December 03, 2021, 11:24:10 AM
I mean even if you assumed the wheelchair was a thermonuclear bomb that wouldn’t be the move.

Unless there’s more of a backstory here it’s hard to even call that premeditated murder to me. That looks like literal insanity.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on December 03, 2021, 11:25:23 AM
WTF man, that's awful.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on December 03, 2021, 11:26:53 AM
when the only thing stops a bad guy with a knife on a rascal is a good guy with a knife on a rascal, sometimes you've just gotta audible
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on December 03, 2021, 11:35:20 AM
The story...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/us/arizona-wheelchair-officer-shooting/index.html

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2021, 11:43:51 AM
The story...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/us/arizona-wheelchair-officer-shooting/index.html

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yes, cop's attorney, we are only getting half the story. one half is that a cop murdered a guy on a rascal by shooting him in the back. the other half is that guy stole a toolbox.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: IPA4Me on December 03, 2021, 11:44:58 AM
The story...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/us/arizona-wheelchair-officer-shooting/index.html

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yes, cop's attorney, we are only getting half the story. one half is that a cop murdered a guy on a rascal by shooting him in the back. the other half is that guy stole a toolbox.
Chugging along at 3 mph with a knife. Oh the horror.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 03, 2021, 11:46:42 AM
I feel bad but I chuckled when I read that the guy flashed the knife and said "here's my receipt". Tip of the cap old fella, enjoy your toolbox.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on December 03, 2021, 11:47:09 AM
Quote
"According to the Walmart employee, Mr. Richards said, 'If you want me to put down the knife, you're going to have to shoot me.'"

well there you go, dude asked for it!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 03, 2021, 12:00:22 PM
when the only thing stops a bad guy with a knife on a rascal is a good guy with a knife on a rascal, sometimes you've just gotta audible
The Tree of Liberty must from time to time be refreshed by the blood of knife-wielded guys on rascals.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on December 03, 2021, 12:01:21 PM
"A clip of Lowe's security camera footage shows Richards lying on the ground immediately after being shot, as the officer appears to be pulling his hands behind his back to handcuff him."


you just shot this mother rough rider 9 times




Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 03, 2021, 12:06:21 PM
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1466415104535060484
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on December 03, 2021, 01:50:14 PM
Looks like the woke cops are shoving murder diversity down our throats #gowokegobroke #notanotherdime
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on December 08, 2021, 10:45:14 AM
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-08/torrance-police-traded-racist-homophobic-texts-it-could-jeopardize-hundreds-of-cases

Woof
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on December 24, 2021, 10:10:12 AM
https://apnews.com/article/florida-race-and-ethnicity-racial-injustice-veterans-ku-klux-klan-fa0ec4120b1457f56c527108074795b5

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 24, 2021, 10:22:23 AM
https://apnews.com/article/florida-race-and-ethnicity-racial-injustice-veterans-ku-klux-klan-fa0ec4120b1457f56c527108074795b5
I thought this was massive going to be about the cops firing into a wall and killing a fourteen year old but nope
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on December 28, 2021, 01:59:09 PM
jeeze, cop unions and groups of cops are even chuddier than individual cops

https://twitter.com/FOP3/status/1475509622173753353
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on December 28, 2021, 03:17:37 PM
I know this has been posted but

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kim carnes on January 17, 2022, 03:17:09 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/surveillance-footage-shows-woman-left-185010731.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/surveillance-footage-shows-woman-left-185010731.html)

Even if you don’t care about the dog, is it really necessary to discharge your weapon in a residential area when your life is not at risk at all?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on January 17, 2022, 04:14:06 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/surveillance-footage-shows-woman-left-185010731.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/surveillance-footage-shows-woman-left-185010731.html)

Even if you don’t care about the dog, is it really necessary to discharge your weapon in a residential area when your life is not at risk at all?

hard to kill a dog in a residential area without discharging your weapon in a residential area, kim carnes.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on January 18, 2022, 12:29:24 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/surveillance-footage-shows-woman-left-185010731.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/surveillance-footage-shows-woman-left-185010731.html)

Even if you don’t care about the dog, is it really necessary to discharge your weapon in a residential area when your life is not at risk at all?

hard to kill a dog in a residential area without discharging your weapon in a residential area, kim carnes.

WTF did the dog do to be shot.  He was obliviously friendly as he was wagging his tale and not barking.
These fuckups need to be suspended or even fired.  I hope they lose a large sum civil lawsuit for this bullshit.  Also DLM!!!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on January 27, 2022, 09:25:28 PM
https://twitter.com/equalityalec/status/1484966529531879425?s=21

Interesting read


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on January 27, 2022, 09:43:55 PM
https://twitter.com/equalityalec/status/1484966529531879425?s=21

Interesting read


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The cops are the least culpable villains in that story.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on January 27, 2022, 09:48:06 PM
https://twitter.com/equalityalec/status/1484966529531879425?s=21

Interesting read


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I don't know who that person is, but that's a poorly written and poorly sourced screed. I don't trust it one bit.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on February 04, 2022, 10:10:04 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKwWprwXwAE0PEp?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on February 04, 2022, 11:11:08 AM
They left "no knock" off the warrant part. It's crazy those aren't illegal.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2022, 11:19:09 AM
https://www.kcur.org/news/2022-01-19/an-armored-car-company-busted-for-hauling-legal-weed-money-across-kansas-is-now-suing-the-feds
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on February 04, 2022, 12:37:32 PM
https://www.kcur.org/news/2022-01-19/an-armored-car-company-busted-for-hauling-legal-weed-money-across-kansas-is-now-suing-the-feds

cases like this will hopefully put us on the path towards settling this issue
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on February 04, 2022, 12:50:25 PM
https://www.kcur.org/news/2022-01-19/an-armored-car-company-busted-for-hauling-legal-weed-money-across-kansas-is-now-suing-the-feds

cases like this will hopefully put us on the path towards settling this issue

Attorneys from the Institute for Justice, a libertarian public interest law firm, are representing the armored car company. They've been raising the alarm about this kind of crap for a long time. Obviously, the current status quo is untenable.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2022, 08:33:46 AM
The ol Kansas shakedown. 

SMDH
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2022, 08:34:16 AM
https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1490819892169383941?s=21
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on February 09, 2022, 08:45:50 AM
LOL

dax, you can't be serious.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2022, 08:59:30 AM
I’m for smacking down 80 year old men who honk their horn (IC)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on February 09, 2022, 09:21:44 AM
I’m for smacking down 80 year old men who honk their horn (IC)

"smacking down"?  they cuffed him. that's it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 09, 2022, 09:34:28 AM
I’m for smacking down 80 year old men who honk their horn (IC)

"smacking down"?  they cuffed him. that's it.
LOL

Probably should have gotten a couple of good club strikes in as well, huh IC??
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2022, 10:57:18 AM
Really bad look

https://twitter.com/JOCOSHERIFF/status/1491168740842807298?s=20&t=GSwIs-FDJyXLqd6wqeKmcw
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: LickNeckey on February 09, 2022, 11:52:22 AM
of all the crap in this thread that is by far the least problematic thing i have seen

and actually pretty funny
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on February 10, 2022, 03:36:48 AM
of all the crap in this thread that is by far the least problematic thing i have seen

and actually pretty funny

Nah, I agree with wacky, it's a bad look. That's not what policing should be. All of the bullshit has desensitized you. There literally isn't a single funny thing about locking people up and most outstanding warrants are on complete bullshit, it's why the police can't even be bothered to go and look for these people themselves and are encouraging people to turn them in. Make funny videos about serving the public interest and not putting people in jail for not paying traffic tickets.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 10, 2022, 01:15:26 PM
of all the crap in this thread that is by far the least problematic thing i have seen

and actually pretty funny

Nah, I agree with wacky, it's a bad look. That's not what policing should be. All of the bullshit has desensitized you. There literally isn't a single funny thing about locking people up and most outstanding warrants are on complete bullshit, it's why the police can't even be bothered to go and look for these people themselves and are encouraging people to turn them in. Make funny videos about serving the public interest and not putting people in jail for not paying traffic tickets.

and when the ex gets out they might not be calm and rational...
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on February 15, 2022, 09:32:19 AM
"San Francisco police used rape victim database to identify suspects"

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna16236

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on February 15, 2022, 04:19:10 PM
"San Francisco police used rape victim database to identify suspects"

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna16236

Our society hates women so much, that's disgusting.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on February 16, 2022, 06:09:49 PM
https://twitter.com/AmesCG/status/1493954147938443265
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on February 16, 2022, 06:12:40 PM
Seems easier to get away with gun murders?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 16, 2022, 06:54:11 PM
Seems easier to get away with gun murders?

Well regulated
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 16, 2022, 06:55:58 PM
Nothing but the best from a generational #blueanon stronghold.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Kat Kid on February 20, 2022, 09:07:05 AM
https://twitter.com/AmesCG/status/1493954147938443265
Rawls would’ve got the clearance rate above 50% if McNulty wouldn’t have mumped around and started looking for murders.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on March 11, 2022, 11:16:37 AM
This guy nearly avoided all cops.

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1502318967918059524
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on March 11, 2022, 11:28:43 AM
Lol, good try dude.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on March 11, 2022, 12:19:38 PM
lmao. Their vision is based on movement!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 13, 2022, 05:17:56 PM
Maybe the shooter intentionally looked for a station with no vendors to harass? Good thing that there will now be 10 nypd cops rough ridin' with people just trying to earn a few bucks.
https://twitter.com/MarisaKabas/status/1513937729352081411
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 22, 2022, 11:29:44 AM
https://twitter.com/latstetter/status/1528183594677575680?t=QfVd4dDJEoxhGkgAsyby7Q&s=19

https://twitter.com/shig8it/status/1528257554676998145?t=G1eJoFgx7soDd9y2ulwvrw&s=19
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 22, 2022, 11:38:42 AM
wow
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: dal9 on May 23, 2022, 10:06:39 PM
could be a tactic to distract u into confessing...potentially genius level commitment to the job
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 23, 2022, 10:57:43 PM
I'm sorry but I can't stop laughing at this. I want to know if this dude is married and his wife can't bear to tell him, or if his boys constantly chirp him but he thinks they are joking.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Tobias on May 23, 2022, 11:10:53 PM
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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on May 24, 2022, 07:02:12 AM
I'm sorry but I can't stop laughing at this. I want to know if this dude is married and his wife can't bear to tell him, or if his boys constantly chirp him but he thinks they are joking.
I was starting to get worried that it was fake because that IG post is not on their  page.
Canco it's real. This guy had apparently worked in corrections before becoming a sergeant in 2019

https://www.caddosheriff.org/news.php?c=2179 (https://www.caddosheriff.org/news.php?c=2179)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on May 24, 2022, 07:42:10 AM
I cannot even imagine the level of insecurity that this man has near zero hope of overcoming. This has to be in his mind nearly always. Can you imagine the time it takes to make sure each hair is spread out and carrying the max weight of that bald head?

What’s almost worse is the he would look like a normal guy if he just cut that crap.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: bucket on May 24, 2022, 07:59:24 AM
It's a way for police to appear non-threatening to citizens.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 25, 2022, 11:23:54 PM
 my god. We’re getting soft.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 11:36:22 PM
Gotta admit, until you guys pointed it out, he almost got me ....
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2022, 08:19:30 AM
It would be nerve wracking to be pulled over by that guy. I'd be worried he would blast me if I laughed out loud.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on May 27, 2022, 02:05:54 AM
https://twitter.com/mattparlmer/status/1530059894061207552
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 27, 2022, 06:36:06 AM
https://twitter.com/monstrous_fest/status/1529836648925732865?s=21&t=orob4fg37YZOTKfvMbZkcA.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 27, 2022, 12:34:01 PM
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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
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Chef’s kiss.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 27, 2022, 01:16:49 PM
https://twitter.com/monstrous_fest/status/1529836648925732865?s=21&t=orob4fg37YZOTKfvMbZkcA.


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While I certainly get some of the points, I don't know if I can agree with that entirely.    I believe that in other areas/jurisdictions the police would have acted immediately to mitigate the threat.   For example, but all accounts, the situation at Olathe East awhile back, the Olathe police arrived on the scene and were rushing to get inside the building without hesitation.   Maybe that's incorrect, maybe a different scenario.   But I just don't see police in many areas just sitting outside not doing crap while gunshots continue to ring out.   


Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 27, 2022, 01:31:05 PM
I read somewhere that the Uvalde police believed there were no survivors in the classroom and that why it was a barricade situation and not an active shooter.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on May 27, 2022, 01:32:01 PM
I guess I read that in the other thread. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on June 05, 2022, 07:31:34 PM
https://twitter.com/FOX10Phoenix/status/1533121411136593921
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on June 05, 2022, 09:57:54 PM
https://twitter.com/FOX10Phoenix/status/1533121411136593921

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non-disciplinary paid administrative leave
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on June 06, 2022, 11:16:55 AM
Yeah even just reading the headline I was thinking it’s prob just a mental health day.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 06, 2022, 11:26:12 AM
I'd need more information on how possible it even was to save the guy before drawing any conclusions on that one.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 06, 2022, 12:10:30 PM
I'd need more information on how possible it even was to save the guy before drawing any conclusions on that one.
Not very possible if wearing 80lbs of body armor.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on June 06, 2022, 02:36:08 PM
I'd need more information on how possible it even was to save the guy before drawing any conclusions on that one.
Not very possible if wearing 80lbs of body armor.

Or if you don't want to get wet.

I actually understand there could be several credible reasons for not trying to get that man. What I don't get is not only doing absolutely nothing, but also crap talking him and his lady while the dude is drowning. They don't have a rough ridin' rope in their car or radios to call rescue?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 06, 2022, 02:39:11 PM
I'd need more information on how possible it even was to save the guy before drawing any conclusions on that one.
Not very possible if wearing 80lbs of body armor.

Or if you don't want to get wet.

I actually understand there could be several credible reasons for not trying to get that man. What I don't get is not only doing absolutely nothing, but also crap talking him and his lady while the dude is drowning. They don't have a rough ridin' rope in their car or radios to call rescue?

cops don't exist to save the lives of homeless people, I'm surprised we even heard about this.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 06, 2022, 02:40:15 PM
I'm actually way more surprised that we heard about this than I was that a cop would talk trash on a homeless man as he was drowning
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on June 18, 2022, 06:38:02 PM
https://twitter.com/bchasnoff/status/1538276308215554049
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: dal9 on June 20, 2022, 10:20:43 AM
^ya i posted the full story in the school shooting thread...like 3 times now i've thought "There's no way the police response could be worse" and each time something even more horrific has come out
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: dal9 on June 21, 2022, 12:05:38 AM
^ya i posted the full story in the school shooting thread...like 3 times now i've thought "There's no way the police response could be worse" and each time something even more horrific has come out

4 times now
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/20/uvalde-shooting-robb-elementary-school-police-documents/7683869001/
https://twitter.com/tplohetski/status/1539005390108622849
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on June 21, 2022, 11:23:28 AM
https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/1539281197657903105
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on June 27, 2022, 09:18:29 PM
https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1541064820035813377
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Kat Kid on June 27, 2022, 09:45:33 PM
The Uvalde thing is so bad. I hope that there is an actual investigation that brings the facts to light.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 09, 2022, 05:35:13 PM
https://twitter.com/wibw/status/1545529410006224901
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on July 13, 2022, 07:37:58 AM
The irony here is that if anyone working any other job does this they're getting fired from their job and arrested. Cop does this, neither thing happens.

Listen with sound
https://twitter.com/KHOU/status/1546688141507141632
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on July 28, 2022, 11:30:38 AM
what is it with the apparent inability to handle dogs without (attempted) lethal force

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1552447564372377600?s=20&t=al_Y5Q0mZLFwMKXwvhdVsA
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kim carnes on July 28, 2022, 11:40:22 AM
what is it with the apparent inability to handle dogs without (attempted) lethal force

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1552447564372377600?s=20&t=al_Y5Q0mZLFwMKXwvhdVsA

Not sure, but last year one tried to shoot a dog, missed and hit a woman and she died if I remember right.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on July 28, 2022, 11:47:32 AM
well that ended as positively as it could have
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on July 28, 2022, 11:56:14 AM
"WATCH OUT" he screams as she lays on her back and he fires off a few rounds
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MadCat on July 28, 2022, 12:02:25 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on July 28, 2022, 02:40:56 PM
a bit of divine justice, at long last.


imagine what this world would be like with a full-time deity instead of this lazy rough rider we got stuck with.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: TheHamburglar on July 28, 2022, 02:50:51 PM
We had family friends that had their 10 pound dog shot in Lindsborg in their front yard. The dog was protecting another 10 pound dog that’s blind. At least the Lindsborg police ran him out of town pretty quickly.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on July 28, 2022, 03:37:14 PM
a bit of divine justice, at long last.


imagine what this world would be like with a full-time deity instead of this lazy rough rider we got stuck with.

Seat's just being held warm for Michael Beasley.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on July 28, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on August 10, 2022, 05:17:41 PM
probably not the right place to put it, but whatever, this is interesting to think about.

a semi-related thing is how we try to prioritize pain-avoidance in how we treat animals rather than maximizing their time being alive.  in some cases, this is just a function of the animal's purpose - we can't eat an animal and keep it alive, but we can try to kill it relatively painlessly.  but we also do this for animals, like pets, where the animal's death isn't obligatory.

https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1557433133649350659
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
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Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on August 10, 2022, 07:29:38 PM
probably not the right place to put it, but whatever, this is interesting to think about.

a semi-related thing is how we try to prioritize pain-avoidance in how we treat animals rather than maximizing their time being alive.  in some cases, this is just a function of the animal's purpose - we can't eat an animal and keep it alive, but we can try to kill it relatively painlessly.  but we also do this for animals, like pets, where the animal's death isn't obligatory.

https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1557433133649350659
A criminal justice class definitely changed the way I viewed prisons. The thing is most people don’t even give it a second thought, but if you polled 100 people asking them what the function of prison is (punishment vs. deterrent vs. public safety etc.) you’d get a wide range of answers.

The point being that if we don’t even agree on why we should put people in prison, we’ll probably never change the system to make it better serve any goal. It’ll kind of just keep being a crappy solution to a lot of different problems.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 21, 2022, 09:02:52 PM
https://twitter.com/naomirhelm/status/1561436191895035904?s=21&t=Z4CtPBIuTl49RBn6h33tOQ
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 21, 2022, 09:14:32 PM
https://twitter.com/naomirhelm/status/1561436191895035904?s=21&t=Z4CtPBIuTl49RBn6h33tOQ
I was like damn these cops should be in prison and then the one slammed the dude's head into the pavement.

:sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 09, 2022, 03:00:53 PM
https://fox4kc.com/news/federal-investigation-ends-against-officer-in-kansas-teens-death/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 09, 2022, 03:10:33 PM
Yuck
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 15, 2022, 10:49:41 AM
I don't really have a link but for those on Twitter, there is a lot about the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department raiding members of the civilian oversight board, who are charged with investigating corruption within the LASD.

They took one woman's car, even though the warrant didn't call for that. They took a server from a non profit organization. The sheriff, long known as a corrupt sack of crap, bragged about doing this on social media. If you're interested in this just search LASD on Twitter, there's a lot and there will definitely be a book and movie about this.

Here are two tweets I found interesting
https://twitter.com/colinkalmbacher/status/1570137528258428928
https://twitter.com/NarroVictor/status/1570310673724485632
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2022, 01:38:00 AM
The dumbest motherfuckers of all time. They won't spend a second in jail either

https://twitter.com/jeremyjojola/status/1573350868774277120
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 24, 2022, 02:50:37 AM
Elijah McClain was murdered.

Took long enough
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1573384594593923075

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1573468705714946048

https://twitter.com/reesewaters/status/1573445344263917577
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 25, 2022, 07:55:52 PM
Always trust the FBI

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-23/fbi-beverly-hills-safe-deposit-box-raid-forfeiture-judge
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on September 27, 2022, 11:21:14 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-train-hitting-colorado-police-car-woman-handcuffed-rcna49406?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR0WfdqkTyMf_8boRUcC-XBQFHLKBJ89VFVcf74g1wimEwLFE3-pL-8qRmE
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 27, 2022, 05:33:59 PM
Steve Martin was also a prop comic
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on September 29, 2022, 11:47:25 AM
https://twitter.com/gldivittorio/status/1575308346176987136?s=20&t=6_4ayHw165sVoa0plfpF0A
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 29, 2022, 03:24:27 PM
again, no jobs will be lost, no jail time served. If I ever want to shoot someone I'll just become a cop and say it was an accident.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 30, 2022, 04:18:22 PM
Not a rogue agency, tho . . . 

The ruling did not address some of the most controversial aspects of the raid, such as the FBI’s attempt to confiscate assets from box holders on the presumption they were criminals, even in cases where agents had no evidence to validate their suspicions.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-30/judge-backs-fbi-beverly-hills-safe-deposit-box-raid

Federal agents took photos and made video recordings of password lists, bank statements, pay stubs, immigration records and many other private papers of box holders who are not criminals.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 8manpick on October 03, 2022, 07:58:39 PM
https://twitter.com/lukeoneil47/status/1577062563929415680?s=12
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on October 07, 2022, 11:37:28 AM
https://twitter.com/kendallybrown/status/1578398494288642052


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on October 07, 2022, 12:10:52 PM
Holy crap
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on October 07, 2022, 03:02:01 PM
https://twitter.com/vermontgmg/status/1578168371060740096?t=tRszf8MwP0vSEWIrGlhD1Q&s=19
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2022, 12:39:56 PM
Cop on texags defends the SA cop above

InfantryAg1:30a, 10/7/22
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Quincey P. Morris said:
I've watched the video. Numerous times. Within a two second time frame the cop tells him to get out of the car, the kid asks why, the cop grabs at him, and the car starts to move. There's no blame for this situation anywhere but the cop. The cop made a dumb decision in how he initiated contact and then gave zero time to even comply. Listen to the cops is fine, but this situation that doesn't fly.

You asked where the kid disobeyed the cop and that he started running when the cop shot him. These are factually incorrect.

Then you moved the goalposts by changing your statement to what you posted in my quote above.

You watched the video drunk? because there is time in the video, and there is a pause button.

The sequence of events (time is from the video posted in the OP):
8 sec: kid looks back surprised at the door opening
9-10 sec: kids has observed and oriented (mentally processed) that there is a uniformed police officer there and decided he is going to not comply, but instead escape.
10 sec: kid places hand on shifter, pushes button and moves shifter into reverse, moves hand towards steering wheel
11 sec: kid says "what or why" and accelerates the car backwards as the cop is moving into the doorway
12 sec: cop grabs at kid, while having to move to his right to avoid being knocked down by the door
12-13 sec: cop draws gun, while moving back out of the doorway
13 sec: cop aims gun (he is out of the doorway and no longer in imminent danger)
14 sec: cop starts firing gun

The cop was dumb, but if the kid had complied the lawful order, he wouldn't have gotten shot, so he does bear some blame. The kid, based on his actions of proactively placing the car in reverse and accelerating back. He may have not intended to hit the officer, but he intended on escaping.
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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 09, 2022, 07:58:04 PM
What is it about smart phones that has the cops so on edge? Is there like an app available for download that automatically kills cops and I’m just not aware of it?

Bc I don’t know if you guys have noticed but before everyone had video cameras in their pockets, the cops like literally never killed citizens. For that matter, smart phones must also bother aliens bc they’ve stopped coming to visit earth since smart phones came out
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on October 14, 2022, 07:11:41 AM
this one was in Texas but no idea when it is from, haven't seen it posted itt

https://twitter.com/mackio_/status/1579870140044574721?t=oknstCCnrFmCbK0_WPd14g&s=19
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on October 14, 2022, 07:25:53 AM
Keller is north of Fort Worth.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on October 14, 2022, 07:29:17 AM
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/keller-to-pay-200k-to-man-pepper-sprayed-by-police-after-he-videotaped-sons-traffic-stop-lawyer-says/2534006/


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on October 14, 2022, 07:50:18 AM
Love that the taxpayers always pay for this stuff
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 14, 2022, 08:05:16 AM
the real travesty in all of this is that the young man got away with making a wide right turn...and incredibly dangerous maneuver done almost exclusively by drug dealing pedophiles but because of all these distractions he not only got away with it, but got compensated for it smh.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on October 14, 2022, 08:37:53 AM
Pretty good evidence that cops don't need guns to abuse innocent people (and therefore they don't need guns at all)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on October 14, 2022, 08:40:18 AM
how many good cops does it take to make up for bad cops like that one? i'm thinking like 10,000 but that seems arbitrary
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on October 14, 2022, 08:47:20 AM
how many good cops does it take to make up for bad cops like that one? i'm thinking like 10,000 but that seems arbitrary
In this case I think the answer is more like 20000 because I counted 2 bad cops
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on October 14, 2022, 10:27:58 AM
That was some baby-back bullshit. I'm going to make it a career goal to get some of these assholes fired.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: OB_Won on October 14, 2022, 12:37:00 PM
That was some baby-back bullshit. I'm going to make it a career goal to get some of these assholes fired.
Take the money out of their pension funds. They'll start killing each other until it stops.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 14, 2022, 04:22:51 PM
Even if I didn’t give a crap about constitutional rights, it’s just frustrating to watch anyone be that crappy at their job.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on October 14, 2022, 06:24:37 PM
good cops

Lol good one
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2022, 02:23:54 AM
The cops don't give a flying eff about anything but themselves, how does this happen in 2022?
https://twitter.com/KCDefender/status/1581308309176344577
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 16, 2022, 02:26:52 AM
this one was in Texas but no idea when it is from, haven't seen it posted itt

https://twitter.com/mackio_/status/1579870140044574721?t=oknstCCnrFmCbK0_WPd14g&s=19

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/keller-to-pay-200k-to-man-pepper-sprayed-by-police-after-he-videotaped-sons-traffic-stop-lawyer-says/2534006/


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From the replies. That cop was fired, joined another police force, then roughed up a 12 year old boy with a nerf gun.
https://twitter.com/se7enSOUTHERN/status/1580408833129607168
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on October 16, 2022, 08:21:01 AM
He was demoted, not fired. Just left on his own!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on October 16, 2022, 10:37:35 AM
listen to this absolute hero

https://twitter.com/GriffinMalone6/status/1581343212874014720
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on October 16, 2022, 11:56:35 AM
The state’s armed enforcers.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on November 06, 2022, 11:42:02 AM
https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1589290371577937922?s=46&t=STpCBrAiLAFVmZ0MpGQmNQ


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 06, 2022, 12:14:59 PM
https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1589290371577937922?s=46&t=STpCBrAiLAFVmZ0MpGQmNQ


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Thought we agreed no Onion articles ITT
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on November 06, 2022, 12:20:26 PM
I honestly don't know how the guy could have possibly handled himself better. I smell a civil rights lawsuit coming, and I would love to take that case.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on November 06, 2022, 12:28:41 PM

Dems are gonna get killed in the midterms because a small faction of the party didn't think those morons should get more and more money 2 years ago
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 06, 2022, 12:32:58 PM

Dems are gonna get killed in the midterms because a small faction of the party didn't think those morons should get more and more money 2 years ago

Well, that, and also they had all the necessary seats to actually accomplish some stuff but instead decided they’d rather trip on their own dicks/vaginas
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 06, 2022, 02:29:34 PM
The Dems could pick up a lot of votes if they would just get rid of their closed borders policies. Most of the country sees them as pro-immigration, anyway.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on November 06, 2022, 02:44:59 PM
I can only say we should be more like Canada.   :D
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2022, 09:28:31 AM

Dems are gonna get killed in the midterms because a small faction of the party didn't think those morons should get more and more money 2 years ago

Well, that, and also they had all the necessary seats to actually accomplish some stuff but instead decided they’d rather trip on their own dicks/vaginas
The Dems could pick up a lot of votes if they would just get rid of their closed borders policies. Most of the country sees them as pro-immigration, anyway.
ding ding ding
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on November 07, 2022, 05:53:15 PM
both of those statements are categorically false, obviously.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on November 07, 2022, 05:54:36 PM

Dems are gonna get killed in the midterms because a small faction of the party didn't think those morons should get more and more money 2 years ago

the progressive instinct to make everything about money borders on the pathological.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on November 07, 2022, 10:21:16 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/pgqf6BDXADIAAAAC/the-office-steve-carell.gif)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on November 08, 2022, 06:57:12 AM


Dems are gonna get killed in the midterms because a small faction of the party didn't think those morons should get more and more money 2 years ago

the progressive instinct to make everything about money borders on the pathological.

"Defund the police" is not about money for police? Is it not a major factor in midterms? What am I missing here
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on November 08, 2022, 12:10:43 PM
https://twitter.com/lukeoneil47/status/1590005275893051393?s=20&t=V9sTRZ0q5p7TxOEifGefRw
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 08, 2022, 12:19:13 PM
when they say "plain clothed cop" does that mean he was on duty but like UC or whatever to try to infiltrate the walmart crime ring? Or was he off duty?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on November 08, 2022, 12:22:54 PM
article does not specify
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on November 08, 2022, 12:29:27 PM
 i snickered at Beaver County.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MadCat on November 08, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
It's in PA, probably an Amish cop
Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on November 08, 2022, 12:34:36 PM
when they say "plain clothed cop" does that mean he was on duty but like UC or whatever to try to infiltrate the walmart crime ring? Or was he off duty?
In this fact pattern, him being a cop seems completely irrelevant. that dude needs a felony count on his record.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on November 08, 2022, 01:07:59 PM
when they say "plain clothed cop" does that mean he was on duty but like UC or whatever to try to infiltrate the walmart crime ring? Or was he off duty?

maybe they mean he's amish.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 08, 2022, 01:09:08 PM
when they say "plain clothed cop" does that mean he was on duty but like UC or whatever to try to infiltrate the walmart crime ring? Or was he off duty?
In this fact pattern, him being a cop seems completely irrelevant. that dude needs a felony count on his record.
i 100% agree but with how ridiculously broad qualified immunity is (or perhaps more accurately how ridiculously narrow the exceptions for qualified immunity are) i'm wondering if there's a chance this guy is going to even get a slap on the wrist.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MadCat on November 08, 2022, 03:51:39 PM
when they say "plain clothed cop" does that mean he was on duty but like UC or whatever to try to infiltrate the walmart crime ring? Or was he off duty?

maybe they mean he's amish.
It's in PA, probably an Amish cop
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2022, 10:45:15 PM
https://twitter.com/ChudsOfTikTok/status/1591990550311440385
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on November 23, 2022, 09:09:42 AM
45-year-old Derrick Kittling, a father of three, gunned down by police after being pulled over for the crime of having too dark of window tint.

https://www.wafb.com/2022/11/21/watch-lsp-shares-video-footage-derrick-kittlings-death/

The police are nothing more than the states’ armed wing of enforcement. An occupying force with a monopoly on violence, trained to kill at the slightest hint of danger, while enforcing even the most arbitrary of laws.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 23, 2022, 09:15:11 AM
45-year-old Derrick Kittling, a father of three, gunned down by police after being pulled over for the crime of having too dark of window tint.

https://www.wafb.com/2022/11/21/watch-lsp-shares-video-footage-derrick-kittlings-death/

The police are nothing more than the states’ armed wing of enforcement. An occupying force with a monopoly on violence, trained to kill at the slightest hint of danger, while enforcing even the most arbitrary of laws.

unless it is actual danger like Uvalde
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on December 03, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
https://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2022/11/texas-bill-would-ban-no-knock-warrants/

Cops shouldn’t be allowed to just barge into someone’s house and start blasting away.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on December 05, 2022, 10:21:11 PM
https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1599865857970012160?s=46&t=GAvOwKWP8BzFSGOBxJ-uTg


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on December 05, 2022, 10:31:05 PM
https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1599865857970012160?s=46&t=GAvOwKWP8BzFSGOBxJ-uTg


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That story is insane. How could there be no security footage or cell phone data to confirm his whereabouts at the relevant times?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 06, 2022, 07:45:30 AM
so a grand jury deciding not to indict...that doesn't mean he's off the hook forever right? Like eventually he could have to face justice for this?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on December 07, 2022, 06:29:38 PM
https://twitter.com/kron4news/status/1600445084364939264?s=20&t=equjeDOHupHp8Zrj18rZvg
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on December 07, 2022, 07:01:20 PM
https://twitter.com/kron4news/status/1600445084364939264?s=20&t=equjeDOHupHp8Zrj18rZvg

Florida man
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on December 07, 2022, 09:24:24 PM
https://twitter.com/kron4news/status/1600445084364939264?s=20&t=equjeDOHupHp8Zrj18rZvg

Florida man

Killing them???
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on December 09, 2022, 10:41:49 AM
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/07/1141484449/ex-border-patrol-agent-convicted-of-killing-4-women-in-texas?fbclid=IwAR0cFe7MnMzOTGUMZ8ppt7saXPAkIl9pnuG9JzRQEx5xRjCr8oz9AW5ZnIE
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 09, 2022, 10:43:18 AM
https://twitter.com/kron4news/status/1600445084364939264?s=20&t=equjeDOHupHp8Zrj18rZvg

cops shouldn't have guns

(evergreen post)
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on December 09, 2022, 05:01:04 PM
https://twitter.com/erinblogan/status/1601349646768537600
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on December 09, 2022, 05:02:39 PM
cops shouldn't have guns

(evergreen post)

I've said this forever but we can't do crap about that until literally everyone doesn't have guns. Almost every developed first world country on the planet has figured this (and healthcare) out but shall not be infringed, etc.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2022, 07:26:40 PM
https://twitter.com/erinblogan/status/1601349646768537600

Jesus. You have to think they were protecting themselves, that dead [redacted] didn't need evidence suppressed.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: CNS on December 13, 2022, 10:35:39 AM
cops shouldn't have guns

(evergreen post)

I've said this forever but we can't do crap about that until literally everyone doesn't have guns. Almost every developed first world country on the planet has figured this (and healthcare) out but shall not be infringed, etc.

Can just change a few laws allowing deadly force to be used for any reason as long as the cop was scared, squash a few incentives, and make a big difference to start.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2022, 10:39:24 AM
I think you could do something about it without removing guns from society but you'd have to completely rethink the function of your typical cops. I would bet fewer cops got shot if they didn't have guns, not more.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on December 13, 2022, 06:03:38 PM
San Antonio’s “crap sandwich” cop gets new copping gig in Floresville, Tex.

https://www.sacurrent.com/news/san-antonios-crap-sandwich-cop-working-as-a-police-officer-again-this-time-in-floresville-30546795?s=09
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kstater on December 14, 2022, 07:56:11 AM
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1602902686042853382?s=20&t=i_maWgAtBiOuUZCOfYdmLg

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on January 06, 2023, 09:24:56 AM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1611303692665249792
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Gooch on January 06, 2023, 10:17:25 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 06, 2023, 11:07:56 AM
Lol when giving back the money they seized, the amounts didn't match and the counting was caught on camera. Idiots.

https://www.fox19.com/2022/11/30/sheriffs-office-comes-up-400-short-returning-cash-afroman-after-home-raid/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kstater on January 23, 2023, 05:05:55 PM
You could serve dinner on those pupils.

https://youtu.be/8vqGb2B5zrY

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2023, 07:20:00 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/police-shoot-unarmed-disabled-man-29025176.amp
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on January 25, 2023, 12:26:42 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/police-shoot-unarmed-disabled-man-29025176.amp

So I looked at this link and thought this happened in the UK and I couldn't click the link fast enough. I saw it happened in North Carolina and couldn't even be bothered to read the article. There is simply no shock value to this stuff happening here anymore.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: 'taterblast on January 25, 2023, 03:20:19 PM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1618237768618115072?s=20&t=8LWdg6FA62eO_5ywWX6fIw
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kstater on January 27, 2023, 06:49:54 PM
https://twitter.com/Mrgunsngear/status/1619133304925720576?t=xdwAOXRpT2W5NvJGaM8yAg&s=19

This could go in the riot thread too since they killed him and almost certainly Memphis gonna burn tonight after they released the body cam.
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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on January 27, 2023, 06:57:56 PM
If that dude doesn’t go to prison I might drive to Memphis and burn it down
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on January 28, 2023, 09:16:25 AM
If there wasn’t a street light camera, they would have gotten away with this


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on January 28, 2023, 11:30:24 AM
If there wasn’t a street light camera, they would have gotten away with this


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They have body cams and in car cams that picked up the video.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Loadsonspracsmom on January 28, 2023, 02:18:45 PM
Obviously gang related. Worst city on earth!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on January 28, 2023, 02:27:19 PM
If there wasn’t a street light camera, they would have gotten away with this


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They have body cams and in car cams that picked up the video.
The body cams that I saw didn’t show/couldn’t see anything.

They just said he resisted


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on January 28, 2023, 02:27:50 PM
If there wasn’t a street light camera, they would have gotten away with this


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They have body cams and in car cams that picked up the video.
The body cams that I saw didn’t show/couldn’t see anything.

They just said he resisted


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on March 31, 2023, 05:04:51 PM
https://twitter.com/sourcedumal/status/1639738778460798976?s=46&t=hU61MNRKQXFa4a831KNtLg


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 31, 2023, 05:44:28 PM
that is a funny tweet
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on April 01, 2023, 10:30:54 AM
Cops doing a cops

https://archive.is/2023.04.01-060256/https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-30/goat-slaughter-shasta-county-fair


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2023, 11:46:56 AM
The county fair officials should all be blasted into the sun.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on April 01, 2023, 02:33:59 PM
https://www.sanjoseinside.com/news/homeland-security-accuses-top-san-jose-police-union-official-of-smuggling-fentanyl-into-the-u-s/?fbclid=IwAR3qdelj54GOOs-tpfnfFfrOfL8WIpniRuBgCjGG0jdyCRS3QN-VqVpdBXQ&mibextid=Zxz2cZ


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2023, 02:51:17 PM
https://www.sanjoseinside.com/news/homeland-security-accuses-top-san-jose-police-union-official-of-smuggling-fentanyl-into-the-u-s/?fbclid=IwAR3qdelj54GOOs-tpfnfFfrOfL8WIpniRuBgCjGG0jdyCRS3QN-VqVpdBXQ&mibextid=Zxz2cZ


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 :surprised: this is the ultimate man bites dog story. Looking at that headline, I did not expect the antagonist to be a blonde woman
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sys on April 03, 2023, 11:50:31 PM
more info on killing that goat.

https://twitter.com/RARohde/status/1642832024506359809
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2023, 07:00:45 AM
Pretty misleading to say the police killed the goat imo
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Brock Landers on April 04, 2023, 09:33:35 AM
Pretty misleading to say the police killed the goat imo

Just following orders!! 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2023, 09:42:35 AM
Pretty misleading to say the police killed the goat imo

Nah, they didn't but of all the parties involved you'd think they would have the best understanding of the law and their role within it. They broke the law and absconded their responsibilities.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2023, 09:54:50 AM
Pretty misleading to say the police killed the goat imo

Nah, they didn't but of all the parties involved you'd think they would have the best understanding of the law and their role within it. They broke the law and absconded their responsibilities.

Police writing their own search warrants now?  The county fair officials could have easily done the right thing, and then some judge signed off on a search warrant for a goat.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on April 04, 2023, 09:59:23 AM
I hope they used one of those tanks with a battering ram on the front of it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on April 04, 2023, 10:59:40 AM
This is the same county as the goat story.

https://youtu.be/Uy35mIFnj0w
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2023, 07:52:00 PM
Pretty misleading to say the police killed the goat imo

Nah, they didn't but of all the parties involved you'd think they would have the best understanding of the law and their role within it. They broke the law and absconded their responsibilities.

Police writing their own search warrants now?  The county fair officials could have easily done the right thing, and then some judge signed off on a search warrant for a goat.

Did you read the thread that sys posted? The cops weren't supposed to surrender the goat. They are the literal law and didn't abide by it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2023, 08:02:59 PM
You’ll forgive me if I don’t take the Berkeley scientist’s word for interpretation of California law.

Gonna need @Spracne to weigh in on the goat laws here
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on April 04, 2023, 08:11:50 PM
My knowledge of California law does not extend to goat law.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2023, 08:15:36 PM
My knowledge of California law does not extend to goat law.

Does it extend to the cops not giving the fair board property that, by their own admission, didn't own?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on April 04, 2023, 08:21:51 PM
My knowledge of California law does not extend to goat law.

Does it extend to the cops not giving the fair board property that, by their own admission, didn't own?

Is there a pronoun missing? Property that who didn't own? Look, I assume the cops are in the wrong, here, even though I haven't read the story or the Complaint and know nothing of California goat law.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2023, 08:31:03 PM
Goat justice will prevail, of that I’m sure.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on April 04, 2023, 08:46:15 PM
My knowledge of California law does not extend to goat law.

Does it extend to the cops not giving the fair board property that, by their own admission, didn't own?

Is there a pronoun missing? Property that who didn't own? Look, I assume the cops are in the wrong, here, even though I haven't read the story or the Complaint and know nothing of California goat law.

They, the fair board
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on April 18, 2023, 08:22:22 AM
https://www.ktalnews.com/news/state-news/oklahoma/mccurtain-county-residents-demand-sheriff-commissioners-resignation/


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: OK_Cat on April 18, 2023, 08:28:45 AM
I hear stupid crap like that in Oklahoma on a weekly basis.  This whole state is backwards and terrible.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 18, 2023, 10:41:15 AM
I call on #blueanongE to hold the Federal Law Enforcement complex to the same standards we expect out of state and local police. 

I also call on #blueanongE to join me in calling for the uncoupling of Federal Law Enforcement from politics and from their now clear (and very cozy) relationship with media outlets of all types in this country.

Please respond below and agree and prove you're not a highly partisan derp

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on April 18, 2023, 11:12:59 AM
I call on #blueanongE to hold the Federal Law Enforcement complex to the same standards we expect out of state and local police. 

I also call on #blueanongE to join me in calling for the uncoupling of Federal Law Enforcement from politics and from their now clear (and very cozy) relationship with media outlets of all types in this country.

Please respond below and agree and prove you're not a highly partisan derp

Are you saying that the Feds shouldn't enforce laws being broken by politicians so as to not seem partisan?
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on April 18, 2023, 11:22:10 AM
https://www.ktalnews.com/news/state-news/oklahoma/mccurtain-county-residents-demand-sheriff-commissioners-resignation/


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It's really jarring to hear people just casually talking like that.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: TheHamburglar on April 18, 2023, 12:07:16 PM
I hear stupid crap like that in Oklahoma on a weekly basis.  This whole state is backwards and terrible.

Yeah. I worked in a small town Creek County with a lot of people that lived in Payne county. Even there you’d hear stories of “so and so has a body buried are their farm, but the sheriffs nephew was in on it so they don’t look.”  There uses to be signs all over Blackwell asking for info on a dead teenage girl that was last scene in a car with an LEO’s family member. The killing the journalist & racism are rightly taking the lead, but the burn woman’s details are being left out. Her landlord bulldozed her porch then said if she wasn’t out in a month he’d torch it with her in it or not. She complained to the Sheriff. They knew of the threats. They knew she was killed in an arson fire & didn’t give a crap.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: OK_Cat on April 18, 2023, 12:11:24 PM
I hear stupid crap like that in Oklahoma on a weekly basis.  This whole state is backwards and terrible.

Yeah. I worked in a small town Creek County with a lot of people that lived in Payne county. Even there you’d hear stories of “so and so has a body buried are their farm, but the sheriffs nephew was in on it so they don’t look.”  There uses to be signs all over Blackwell asking for info on a dead teenage girl that was last scene in a car with an LEO’s family member. The killing the journalist & racism are rightly taking the lead, but the burn woman’s details are being left out. Her landlord bulldozed her porch then said if she wasn’t out in a month he’d torch it with her in it or not. She complained to the Sheriff. They knew of the threats. They knew she was killed in an arson fire & didn’t give a crap.
I’ve lived in Garfield and Custer counties and have seen and heard all kinds of shady crap. This particular story is terrible, but it barely moved on my radar compared to what I hear at Walmart on the weekend.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on May 31, 2023, 10:02:50 AM
Should have shot a negro instead. This cop will 100% get fired and never get another job as a cop.
https://twitter.com/Ash_Pro1/status/1663731906897223680
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on July 30, 2023, 04:08:50 PM
This is insane. The dude is obviously responsible for the overall situation but the police are incompetent and reckless. Also that police dog or handler has to have had zero training.

https://twitter.com/Imposter_Edits/status/1683854279847600129
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: michigancat on August 05, 2023, 02:49:16 PM
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1687897806906732544
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MadCat on August 22, 2023, 04:44:32 PM
https://apnews.com/article/constitutional-sheriffs-5568cd0b6b27680a28de8a098ed14210 (https://apnews.com/article/constitutional-sheriffs-5568cd0b6b27680a28de8a098ed14210)
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A right-wing sheriffs group that challenges federal law is gaining acceptance around the country
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on August 22, 2023, 04:52:37 PM
Supremacy Clause, bitches.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
This is rough ridin' demented, the video is hard to watch. I don't know how old this woman is but if it were my daughter and I was 80 I'd still come and see this dude. I hope he gets mumped up badly while in prison.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/24/pa-state-police-trooper-ronald-davis-tackled-ex-to-ground-dauphin-da/
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1705714864927211948
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 25, 2023, 10:41:35 AM
https://apnews.com/article/constitutional-sheriffs-5568cd0b6b27680a28de8a098ed14210 (https://apnews.com/article/constitutional-sheriffs-5568cd0b6b27680a28de8a098ed14210)
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A right-wing sheriffs group that challenges federal law is gaining acceptance around the country


Is this the vast right wing conspiracy?

When non "right wingers" challenge federal law, is there a label for that?

Is anyone who challenges federal law now a "right winger"?

Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on September 25, 2023, 10:55:15 AM
https://apnews.com/article/constitutional-sheriffs-5568cd0b6b27680a28de8a098ed14210 (https://apnews.com/article/constitutional-sheriffs-5568cd0b6b27680a28de8a098ed14210)
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A right-wing sheriffs group that challenges federal law is gaining acceptance around the country


Is this the vast right wing conspiracy?

When non "right wingers" challenge federal law, is there a label for that?

Is anyone who challenges federal law now a "right winger"?

Did you read the article dax? Jesus Christ man, the group is proudly right wing. They quote dinesh dsousa on their website. It's telling that you think that calling them right wing is a slur.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 25, 2023, 11:05:43 AM
https://apnews.com/article/constitutional-sheriffs-5568cd0b6b27680a28de8a098ed14210 (https://apnews.com/article/constitutional-sheriffs-5568cd0b6b27680a28de8a098ed14210)
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A right-wing sheriffs group that challenges federal law is gaining acceptance around the country


Is this the vast right wing conspiracy?

When non "right wingers" challenge federal law, is there a label for that?

Is anyone who challenges federal law now a "right winger"?

Did you read the article dax? Jesus Christ man, the group is proudly right wing. They quote dinesh dsousa on their website. It's telling that you think that calling them right wing is a slur.

Going against Federal law over the course of the history of these United States used to lean heavily towards the predecessor of your current movement.



Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 25, 2023, 11:12:14 AM
When we don't like something that (for example) occurs in generational #blueanon strongholds we grant ourselves the right to lay siege to hundreds of city blocks around the country, attack Federal buildings, attack the White House (even though the primary occupant had nothing to do with the failures of #blueanon leadership in generational #blueanon strongholds) etc. etc. etc. 

But if people who hold different thoughts on the interpretation of the constitution from us.  Then they're clearly part of a violent insurrectionist movement.   :thumbsup: 

“because CSPOA is now essentially part of a broader movement in the United States to think it’s OK to use political violence if we disagree with some sort of government policy.”

When has CSPOA engaged in political violence?






Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 27, 2023, 11:52:32 AM
 . . . best to avoid all former federal prosecutors

https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/09/27/howard-frankland-stabbing-suspect-is-former-assistant-us-attorney/
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Cire on September 27, 2023, 02:59:47 PM
https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/1706795679429918867?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on October 04, 2023, 08:24:08 AM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1709507580152758505?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on October 04, 2023, 08:52:15 AM
The audacity
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on October 04, 2023, 09:32:56 AM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1709507580152758505?s=20

https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2023/10/02/after-traffic-stop-video-goes-viral-newton-police-sue-citizen-for-defamation/ (https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2023/10/02/after-traffic-stop-video-goes-viral-newton-police-sue-citizen-for-defamation/)

absolutely incredible

Title: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 04, 2023, 09:41:23 AM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1709507580152758505?s=20

https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2023/10/02/after-traffic-stop-video-goes-viral-newton-police-sue-citizen-for-defamation/ (https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2023/10/02/after-traffic-stop-video-goes-viral-newton-police-sue-citizen-for-defamation/)

absolutely incredible
That’s a nice fairly written article, and much more helpful than the sensational tweet/headline. The guy is (rightly) suing the cops, but they are alleging counterclaims based on comments he made on social media having nothing to do with the BS arrest. Apparently he said one of them had been convicted of domestic abuse which was not true.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on October 04, 2023, 09:42:51 AM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1709507580152758505?s=20

https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2023/10/02/after-traffic-stop-video-goes-viral-newton-police-sue-citizen-for-defamation/ (https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2023/10/02/after-traffic-stop-video-goes-viral-newton-police-sue-citizen-for-defamation/)

absolutely incredible
That’s a nice fairly written article, and much more helpful than the sensational tweet/headline. The guy is (rightly) suing the cops, but they are alleging counterclaims based on comments he made on social media having nothing to do with the BS arrest. Apparently he said one of them had been convicted of domestic abuse which was not true.

well,

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With regard to the claim that Galanakis filed two false complaints against Winters, Judge Locher ruled there was only one communication from Galanakis that could be construed as a complaint, and “because Winters does not allege these statements are untrue they cannot be defamatory.” The judge noted that “Winters does not appear to allege that any of them are false. To the contrary, he admits the accuracy of some of them in his pleadings, and others are supported by the police videos posted online.”

As for the city’s complaint that Galanakis claimed to have been “kidnapped then raped,” Judge Locher found that statement was a clear and allowable expression of opinion and rhetorical hyperbole.

With regard Galanakis’ claim that Winters had been convicted of domestic abuse, the judge noted that specific allegation appeared to based on a 2021 protective order that was entered against Winters in Iowa District Court, and which was extended on at least three subsequent occasions.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: catastrophe on October 04, 2023, 09:47:23 AM
Yeah well my summary was shorter.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on October 04, 2023, 12:25:02 PM
Winters sounds like a bitch.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2023, 02:40:17 PM
breaking up with a cop is incredibly dangerous
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on October 04, 2023, 07:24:07 PM
breaking up with a cop is incredibly dangerous
Anecdotally I have an employee that has had a scary go divorcing a fireman as well.


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: MakeItRain on October 14, 2023, 12:24:38 PM
This is the wildest video I've seen in a while, both the cop and this woman are completely out of control
https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1712972710333083990
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on October 14, 2023, 12:42:53 PM
Gotta say, I'm team cop on this one. That lady is a world-class b*tch who just traumatized her 5 y.o. probably for life.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Katpappy on October 14, 2023, 02:45:46 PM
What a rough ridin' idiot cluck!  I guess Tic Toc has all kinds of crap on it.  I don't watch it because it draws you in and end up wasting a crap load of time watching it.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on October 14, 2023, 03:09:03 PM
Cop should’ve just taken the girl to her new adoptive family and left the lady there.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2023, 05:21:50 PM
Don't point guns at cops . . .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12645181/Tennessee-cops-Melissa-Horton-shot-dead.html
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on December 19, 2023, 11:14:06 AM
https://x.com/davenewworld_2/status/1737144501246865806?s=20
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on December 19, 2023, 02:54:27 PM
Absolutely psycho
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 19, 2023, 03:37:52 PM
get ready tax payers of STL you about to pay for a new bar (and more)!
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on December 20, 2023, 12:07:49 PM
https://twitter.com/javadesq/status/1737152152991051783?t=nqFY8pM55KDzMldqQhdYcQ&s=19
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: kstater on December 20, 2023, 02:40:36 PM
I don't think that's gonna be a small payout.    Wonder if they did any field sobriety tests on the guy that wrecked in to the place.

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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on December 20, 2023, 08:31:03 PM
Seems serious.

https://x.com/javadesq/status/1737174670258868267
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 21, 2023, 08:32:00 AM
I don't think that's gonna be a small payout.    Wonder if they did any field sobriety tests on the guy that wrecked in to the place.

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lol yeah, the cops will test their own guy. 
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on January 19, 2024, 08:09:39 AM
https://www.threads.net/@abcnews/post/C2PcApKi5MD/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: mocat on February 14, 2024, 10:16:07 AM
Amaze

https://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1757536607572279482?t=WrkGYLuoBKyj7ZsViMyewQ&s=19
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on February 14, 2024, 10:28:25 AM
Smdh
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Trim on February 14, 2024, 11:47:14 AM
Take cover behind the handicapped floridian’s tesla.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2024, 12:46:54 PM
Amaze

https://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1757536607572279482?t=WrkGYLuoBKyj7ZsViMyewQ&s=19
Maximum cop


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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on February 15, 2024, 09:14:35 AM
Oof
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on February 15, 2024, 01:15:11 PM
There is a type of person that is attracted to LE work, and that type of person is an bad person.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: nicname on February 15, 2024, 01:27:06 PM
There is a type of person that is attracted to LE work, and that type of person is an bad person.

Also paranoid, at least in this case
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: star seed 7 on February 15, 2024, 01:28:29 PM
At least those cops got home safe to their family that evening
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Spracne on February 15, 2024, 01:43:22 PM
There is a type of person that is attracted to LE work, and that type of person is an bad person.

Also paranoid, at least in this case

I think the paranoia and the assholeness go hand in hand.
Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
Post by: Institutional Control on February 18, 2024, 08:20:04 AM
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Title: Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
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