StL County Cops Shoot Teen

[chuckjames]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf
police reports

Why haven't they arrested Johnson?

who the hell knows

why didn't the cops get out in front of this by releasing info early?

Talk about throwing fuel on the fire, arresting Johnson would have been a terrible idea imo.

[420seriouscat69]

Interesting. Also, holy crap, how did that photo leak?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?

[EMAWmeister]

I'm not exactly quick to believe the police department that so colossally mumped this situation up.


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[ednksu]

Interesting. Also, holy crap, how did that photo leak?

of Brown or the surveillance cams?  The cams were from open records requests. 

[MakeItRain]

Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?

The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.

[420seriouscat69]

Interesting. Also, holy crap, how did that photo leak?

of Brown or the surveillance cams?  The cams were from open records requests.

Yeah, I was talking about the brown pic on the ground. I'm sure a bystandar could have shot that up to the cloud immediately.

[MakeItRain]

Interesting. Also, holy crap, how did that photo leak?

of Brown or the surveillance cams?  The cams were from open records requests.

I'm guessing he means of Brown, but I'm sure that isn't anything that leaked but a photo that a bystander took at the scene. It took 10 minutes for him to be covered up.

[ednksu]

Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?

The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.

square that circle a little more for me.  Why do you think its more credible than the cops?  After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal?  Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I guess I am irrational as I have done it before.  Not in a car, but on a bar stool. 

Just curious - were you drunk at the time? It's possible that alcohol impaired your normal fight/flight instincts. The normal instint would be spring off of the bar stool before grabbing the person (or, if you were in a movie, finding the nearest pool cue/beer bottle and breaking it in half).

It's all theoretical at this point now that we video evidence just 10 minutes before the confrontation of Brown being a thug. That makes this a pretty easy call who started the fight. Still doesn't justify the shooting without more information.

[MakeItRain]

by standard

  don't change

[ednksu]

right on, I just didn't want to assume I knew which pic you meant. 
From the distance and angle I assumed by standard, which surprised me it didn't come out sooner.

[420seriouscat69]

by standard

  don't change

Haha. Dammit. You caught it. 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?

The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.

You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.

[chuckjames]

I guess I am irrational as I have done it before.  Not in a car, but on a bar stool. 

Just curious - were you drunk at the time? It's possible that alcohol impaired your normal fight/flight instincts. The normal instint would be spring off of the bar stool before grabbing the person (or, if you were in a movie, finding the nearest pool cue/beer bottle and breaking it in half).

It's all theoretical at this point now that we video evidence just 10 minutes before the confrontation of Brown being a thug. That makes this a pretty easy call who started the fight. Still doesn't justify the shooting without more information.

Can we like outlaw the word thug, you use alot of credibility when you use that word.

[ednksu]

by standard

  don't change

auto correct goodness   

[michigancat]

K-S-U is party rocking his ass off

[MakeItRain]

Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?

The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.

square that circle a little more for me.  Why do you think its more credible than the cops?  After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal?  Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.

Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.

[EMAWmeister]

Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?

The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.

You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.

Oh that's rich


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[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I guess I am irrational as I have done it before.  Not in a car, but on a bar stool. 

Just curious - were you drunk at the time? It's possible that alcohol impaired your normal fight/flight instincts. The normal instint would be spring off of the bar stool before grabbing the person (or, if you were in a movie, finding the nearest pool cue/beer bottle and breaking it in half).

It's all theoretical at this point now that we video evidence just 10 minutes before the confrontation of Brown being a thug. That makes this a pretty easy call who started the fight. Still doesn't justify the shooting without more information.

Can we like outlaw the word thug, you use alot of credibility when you use that word.

Why?

thug
/TH?g/

noun

noun: thug; plural noun: thugs; noun: Thug

1. a violent person, especially a criminal.

[ednksu]

Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?

The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.

square that circle a little more for me.  Why do you think its more credible than the cops?  After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal?  Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.

Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.

I thought they were out of the car and there the confrontation continued.  Supposedly Brown was moving away and shot, while the cop maintains the confrontation continued, gun grab, shots etc.  Or am I wrong on the narratives?

[MakeItRain]

Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?

The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.

You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.

I'm reaching by staying the truth lies in the middle of a story told by a police department that hasn't been forthright with anything that happened that day and a story told by a witness who just committed a crime that put these events in motion? Okay, sure

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

By the way, was Brown stealing and assaulting the worker at the same QT that was torched? Would make the ensuing looting/torching more than a little ironic.

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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf
police reports

I hope they complete/release the full report for 14-12391 as well as they did for 14-12388.  I mean, as riveting as that cigars story was (and we at gE love cigar stories), I think most people are more curious about the shooting.

[MakeItRain]

Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?

The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.

square that circle a little more for me.  Why do you think its more credible than the cops?  After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal?  Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.

Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.

I thought they were out of the car and there the confrontation continued.  Supposedly Brown was moving away and shot, while the cop maintains the confrontation continued, gun grab, shots etc.  Or am I wrong on the narratives?

I'm not completely sure we know. The eyewitness accounts have the first shot being fired from the car so that would mean the supposed struggle happened there as well.