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Quote from: michigancat on February 12, 2019, 05:23:29 PMThe AIPAC wouldn't need keep existing and receiving money if it wasn't influencing politicians.just like a successful politician can't ignore voters and expect to continue to be popular... i also think that we are at a point where pro-israel policies are ceasing to be broadly popular among voters of both parties and are instead becoming popular among 'pubs and very divisive among dems. so aipac actually has a very difficult job to do in trying to, at the very least, delay that trend among democratic politicians.
The AIPAC wouldn't need keep existing and receiving money if it wasn't influencing politicians.
she didn't say "it's all about the lobbying, baby" i mean that's kinda the whole reason people went off on her as using antisemitic language. she simplified a complex dynamic down to "the international jew is buying politicians".
Quote from: chum1 on February 11, 2019, 05:28:15 PMI don't have a major problem with this. But I think her own apology is FAR superior to dem leadership's.Forgot my linkhttps://twitter.com/NaomiAKlein/status/1095089301396819968
I don't have a major problem with this. But I think her own apology is FAR superior to dem leadership's.
Quote from: michigancat on February 12, 2019, 05:04:35 PMI mean you said it was stupid to for Omar to think McCarthy was influenced by lobbying money, so you clearly have SOME opinion.my opinions are: a) that when a policy is popular with voters, it is stupid to look any farther than that popularity to explain why a politician supports it, b) that congressional leadership de facto have national constituencies.
I mean you said it was stupid to for Omar to think McCarthy was influenced by lobbying money, so you clearly have SOME opinion.
Quote from: sys on February 12, 2019, 05:41:21 PMQuote from: michigancat on February 12, 2019, 05:23:29 PMThe AIPAC wouldn't need keep existing and receiving money if it wasn't influencing politicians.just like a successful politician can't ignore voters and expect to continue to be popular... i also think that we are at a point where pro-israel policies are ceasing to be broadly popular among voters of both parties and are instead becoming popular among 'pubs and very divisive among dems. so aipac actually has a very difficult job to do in trying to, at the very least, delay that trend among democratic politicians.oh yeah I think Pelosi's response had way more to do with their influence than McCarthy's initial comments.Quote from: sys on February 12, 2019, 05:41:21 PMshe didn't say "it's all about the lobbying, baby" i mean that's kinda the whole reason people went off on her as using antisemitic language. she simplified a complex dynamic down to "the international jew is buying politicians".yeah I guess I saw the AIPAC tweet first and followed it back. When I had the full picture it seemed like an odd thing to freak out over, but I'm also not hypersensitive to perceived anti-antisemitism.
Quote from: michigancat on February 12, 2019, 05:47:41 PMQuote from: sys on February 12, 2019, 05:41:21 PMQuote from: michigancat on February 12, 2019, 05:23:29 PMThe AIPAC wouldn't need keep existing and receiving money if it wasn't influencing politicians.just like a successful politician can't ignore voters and expect to continue to be popular... i also think that we are at a point where pro-israel policies are ceasing to be broadly popular among voters of both parties and are instead becoming popular among 'pubs and very divisive among dems. so aipac actually has a very difficult job to do in trying to, at the very least, delay that trend among democratic politicians.oh yeah I think Pelosi's response had way more to do with their influence than McCarthy's initial comments.Quote from: sys on February 12, 2019, 05:41:21 PMshe didn't say "it's all about the lobbying, baby" i mean that's kinda the whole reason people went off on her as using antisemitic language. she simplified a complex dynamic down to "the international jew is buying politicians".yeah I guess I saw the AIPAC tweet first and followed it back. When I had the full picture it seemed like an odd thing to freak out over, but I'm also not hypersensitive to perceived anti-antisemitism.It didn't strike me as necessarily Antisemitic, either. But maybe I suffer from the same infirmity as you.
What policy, sys? When you called Omar stupid, there was no policy being discussed. I sure hope you're not going to hold up that moronically nebulous 89% of Americans supporting Israel as the proof that McCarthy's supposed support of Israel is based on his constituents instead of a lobby.
Quote from: MakeItRain on February 12, 2019, 07:17:52 PMWhat policy, sys? When you called Omar stupid, there was no policy being discussed. I sure hope you're not going to hold up that moronically nebulous 89% of Americans supporting Israel as the proof that McCarthy's supposed support of Israel is based on his constituents instead of a lobby.in my statement that you quoted, any policy. with re. to omar, i understood her to be discussing pro-israel policies in general. i've already addressed my thoughts on congressional leaderships' constituency in my response to michigan.
no, she was referring to this Greenwald tweet
Quote from: michigancat on February 12, 2019, 08:02:20 PMno, she was referring to this Greenwald tweetyeah, i think understanding it be referencing pro-israel policies in general is the correct read.
Quote from: dal9 on February 12, 2019, 01:01:06 AM-^Not necessarily a bad question, but points off for being an impostor "Mossad" account-so many "almost as dumb as AOC" takes above...Omar is significantly dumber (and worse at twitter)-"fun" fact: one of Jada's lines in All About the Benjamins (last word usually censored) is "You should do what we do // stack chips like a Hebrew" edit: remembered it as Kim's line, apparently notYou mean, that’s not the real Mossad? #stunned
-^Not necessarily a bad question, but points off for being an impostor "Mossad" account-so many "almost as dumb as AOC" takes above...Omar is significantly dumber (and worse at twitter)-"fun" fact: one of Jada's lines in All About the Benjamins (last word usually censored) is "You should do what we do // stack chips like a Hebrew" edit: remembered it as Kim's line, apparently not
Quote from: sys on February 12, 2019, 08:10:32 PMQuote from: michigancat on February 12, 2019, 08:02:20 PMno, she was referring to this Greenwald tweetyeah, i think understanding it be referencing pro-israel policies in general is the correct read.lol
well, for one thing, i have absolutely no idea what may be a song lyric and what might not be.
the musical notes were a pretty good clue