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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: manpow5 on September 26, 2017, 08:46:33 AM
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http://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-bribery-scandal-arrests-2017-9
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FYI, apparently Addidas is the sportswear company involved
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:surprised:
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https://twitter.com/AJHilton_News/status/912676450553167875
:lol:
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Hmmmmm, two coaches from Nike schools and one from an Under Armour school involved with an Adidas exec :confused:
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oh wow
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anyone know an adidas school with known sleaze ball recruiters?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fd2trtkcohkrm90.cloudfront.net%2Fimages%2Femoji%2Fapple%2Fios-10%2F256%2Fthinking-face.png&hash=8363af724084f37166ef887b5c7d2fcc339a5a31)
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Bill Self right now:
http://t.co/Y9iy9JSrwS (http://t.co/Y9iy9JSrwS)
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Smart of the feds to target these low level assistants, and leaking the names, they will absolutely roll on the big fish. Having their names out there already, they are already unemployable, they have zero incentive to keep quiet and take the full brunt of this.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/four-college-basketball-assistant-coaches-hit-with-federal-fraud-corruption-charges/
The United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York announced early Tuesday that a press conference will be held at noon ET to detail charges of fraud and corruption in college basketball against four current assistant coaches -- Arizona's Emanuel "Book" Richardson, Auburn's Chuck Person, Oklahoma State's Lamont Evans and USC's Tony Bland. Managers, financial advisers and representatives of a major international sportswear company are also involved.
He's accused of helping funnel approximately $100,000 to the family of an "All-American high school basketball player" to secure the prospect's commitment to a school Adidas sponsors.
As if there wasn't enough money and corruption in sport.
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Bill Self right now:
http://t.co/Y9iy9JSrwS (http://t.co/Y9iy9JSrwS)
Let’s not get too excited. GRCOAT rumblings.
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Wonder who's going to jail today? :ohno:
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Anyone wanna take bets?
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Dirty Birds...
http://www.wdrb.com/story/36454113/university-of-louisville-appears-linked-to-federal-fraud-probe-of-college-basketball
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Cardinal sins :nono:
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https://twitter.com/_ChrisHatfield/status/912679817342017542
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Ruh roh. Little Ricky gonna be in trouble!
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I was just looking at a list of high profile adidas basketball schools, wow pretty short list :ohno:
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I don't really understand why the feds are involved, here. RICO??
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I don't really understand why the feds are involved, here. RICO??
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Multi national corps, huge schools, and teams that travel across state lines. Pretty interesting case, but definitely has to be fed, who else?
I can't believe Adidas got involved in this. I get the money shifting with AAU and boosters, but getting corporations involved is crazy to me.
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I don't really understand why the feds are involved, here. RICO??
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Multi national corps, huge schools, and teams that travel across state lines. Pretty interesting case, but definitely has to be fed, who else?
I can't believe Adidas got involved in this. I get the money shifting with AAU and boosters, but getting corporations involved is crazy to me.
I just don't understand what the federal crime/s is/are.
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For the resident licensed lawyers what could be brought down on these schools and coaches?
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For the resident licensed lawyers what could be brought down on these schools and coaches?
I'm sure they covered their tracks, but can this lead to junk for the head coaches they worked under (Pitino, Frank, Underwood, etc.)?
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Side question, are college coaches considered "public officials?"
I'm probably wrong here:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/224
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I don't really understand why the feds are involved, here. RICO??
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Multi national corps, huge schools, and teams that travel across state lines. Pretty interesting case, but definitely has to be fed, who else?
I can't believe Adidas got involved in this. I get the money shifting with AAU and boosters, but getting corporations involved is crazy to me.
I just don't understand what the federal crime/s is/are.
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Adidas payed (bribed) assistant coaches to funnel players to Adidas payed (bribed) agents & financial advisors to funnel college athletes to Adidas without the college athletes knowing their coaches, agents, & financial advisors (the last 2 they pay for services) received payment to influence their decisions via professional services.
That's a lot of interstate fraud.
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my bad on luke-ing this thread. If mods want to merge or whatevs.....
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:Lurk:
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From another dimension, I wonder how many of these "student athletes" (or their close family) got to see any of this money.
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https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/9/26/16366046/ncaa-basketball-fbi-corruption-investigation-bribery
This article mentions Frank's South Carolina. Evans at KU likely will be scrutinized over his latest recruiting of BigMonster. When this all shakes out maybe Weber will seem like good stuff.
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Stream on SDNY's Facebook page, for those interested: youjizz.com
edit: https://www.facebook.com/usaosdny/
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A certain Mr. Gilmore reppin' oscar and the Cats in the live chat.
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Live now on FB.
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can someone post some cliffnotes of the conf...can't get the video to play.
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I would, but for the fact I'd rather not.
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thanks man! :flush:
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Ten arrests. Four coaches. Investigation continues.
Just look at the list of Adidas schools for which one drops next.
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Two schemes: financial adviser scheme, and Adidas scheme. USC, Arizona, OKst, and Auburn assistant coaches charged. L'ville personnel not criminally charged, but affidavits reveal information that will probably lead to heavy NCAA sanctions against them.
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Criminal complaint press release: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/998746/download
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Two schemes: financial adviser scheme, and Adidas scheme. USC, Arizona, OKst, and Auburn assistant coaches charged. L'ville personnel not criminally charged, but affidavits reveal information that will probably lead to heavy NCAA sanctions against them.
This will certainly lead to a death penalty for them. Too much crap has gone down there in last few years.
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Get your popcorn ready. This is going to get ugly for a lot of schools.
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Interesting that the NCAA did not know about the investigation until this morning. Now the ball is in their court *cough*. Will they protect the institutions, or make an example d/t egg on face?
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What does this mean for our guy Brad?
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I don't really understand why the feds are involved, here. RICO??
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Multi national corps, huge schools, and teams that travel across state lines. Pretty interesting case, but definitely has to be fed, who else?
I can't believe Adidas got involved in this. I get the money shifting with AAU and boosters, but getting corporations involved is crazy to me.
I just don't understand what the federal crime/s is/are.
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I'd go with bribery, fraud, wire fraud, and conspiracy charges on top of each. They're funneling money to institutions they receive billions of dollars from the Federal Govt.
If Addidas is publicly traded there could be SEC issues as well. Application of antitrust laws have gotten pretty perverted as well.
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Two schemes: financial adviser scheme, and Adidas scheme. USC, Arizona, OKst, and Auburn assistant coaches charged. L'ville personnel not criminally charged, but affidavits reveal information that will probably lead to heavy NCAA sanctions against them.
This will certainly lead to a death penalty for them. Too much crap has gone down there in last few years.
They won't get the death penalty, that also has a negative effect on their conference partners. If they get punished for this it will result in scholarship reductions, multiple year post-season bans, fines, and Pitino and Jurich will get fired.
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Got to protect the revenue stream. ;)
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Death Penalty is never going to be brought down ever again.
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Death Penalty is never going to be brought down ever again.
Plus SMU was sanctioned multiple times & the regents just kept doing the same stuff treating SMU as their own game. SMU had to take it really, really far to get the death penalty the first time.
None of this comes close to what SMU did. Louisville can fire everyone & their regents won't keep it going.
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Hey guys. We got busted bribing with hookers and strippers. I bet cash from Adidas would be much safer!
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Death Penalty is never going to be brought down ever again.
That is not true. If schools/Coaches get in trouble for having others take ACT test for potential recruits that are struggling to qualify, we will see the hammer get dropped. It isn't like that potential isn't there.
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I am glad KU issued a statement in a KC Star article that no strings attached to its new 191 million agreement with adidas. None. Latest recruit to comit should be scrutinized.
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That's a very proactive Roy "I'm not recruiting that kid . . . anymore" Williams style statement by KU.
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More South Carolina mentions in this yahoo article.. yikes.
https://sports.yahoo.com/fbi-brings-armageddon-college-basketball-just-tip-iceberg-184524346.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/fbi-brings-armageddon-college-basketball-just-tip-iceberg-184524346.html)
Also in the crossfire is so-called “University 2,” which in the complaints is described in a way that resembles the University of South Carolina and only the University of South Carolina – “a public research university located in South Carolina … with over 30,000 students …”
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Local news station rundown on Louisville's involvement.
https://www.facebook.com/egcrawford/videos/1433746513377221/?hc_ref=ARRlkg-rM4GovqlglLojpus47a4Sswhdp3RC8nJuF__RLy3djkLUwaHsDsbogmnIRRk (https://www.facebook.com/egcrawford/videos/1433746513377221/?hc_ref=ARRlkg-rM4GovqlglLojpus47a4Sswhdp3RC8nJuF__RLy3djkLUwaHsDsbogmnIRRk)
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Do people even buy basketball shoes based off of player branding anymore, other than LeBron and KD?
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:lol: At people that buy basketball shoes, if you aren't getting them free from your aau program, you don't need'em
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:lol: At people that buy basketball shoes, if you aren't getting them free from your aau program, you don't need'em
What a weird standard
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Seems pretty pro-entitlements
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Also can we get pitino? :crossfingers:
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Wait 'till Andrew Wiggans finds out he could have got 100k to go to Louisville.........
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Wait 'till Andrew Wiggans finds out he could have got 100k to go to Louisville.........
Are you sure that would not have been a pay cut.
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:lol: At people that buy basketball shoes, if you aren't getting them free from your aau program, you don't need'em
Words of a fat, lazy, middle aged man
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Wait 'till Andrew Wiggans finds out he could have got 100k to go to Louisville.........
Less than he got
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Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture. Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done.
No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas. I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics.
eff that guy
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Wait 'till Andrew Wiggans finds out he could have got 100k to go to Louisville.........
Less than he got
Can't get anything past you
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Two schemes: financial adviser scheme, and Adidas scheme. USC, Arizona, OKst, and Auburn assistant coaches charged. L'ville personnel not criminally charged, but affidavits reveal information that will probably lead to heavy NCAA sanctions against them.
As interesting as this all is (for BB fans) I'm sort of curious if there's any related activities within other areas of the respective Athletic Departments. Ok St in particular interests me. Wasn't that long ago that the SI expose (maybe hit piece, maybe before its time :dunno:) leveled a bunch of accusations on Gundy's grundle.
One thing's for sure, it's gonna be a good time for the lucky schools (and fans) not directly implicated.
:Woot:
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Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture. Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done.
No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas. I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics.
eff that guy
WTF? You think people wouldn't cheat and funnel money if college basketball didn't have the NBA's one and done rule? I remember when there wasn't a one and done rule and there were lots of cheating ass coaches, right spracs?
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Sadly the tard fans will give this as validation for keeping Oscar and his clean ways.
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Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture. Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done.
No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas. I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics.
eff that guy
WTF? You think people wouldn't cheat and funnel money if college basketball didn't have the NBA's one and done rule? I remember when there wasn't a one and done rule and there were lots of cheating ass coaches, right spracs?
What part of "partially" is confusing? How about the caveat of "this series of episodes" (which clearly indicates that there's many other forms of cheating and incidents of cheating)?
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Sadly the tard fans will give this as validation for keeping Oscar and his clean ways.
It has already started. Yet there are plenty of clean coaches that have managed to make it to the round of 32 at least once in the last 5 years and not lose a team 3 out of those 5. I would love for those people trashing Frank and Brad now to try to say that to anyone's face Saturday.
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Sadly the tard fans will give this as validation for keeping Oscar and his clean ways.
It has already started. Yet there are plenty of clean coaches that have managed to make it to the round of 32 at least once in the last 5 years and not lose a team 3 out of those 5. I would love for those people trashing Frank and Brad now to try to say that to anyone's face Saturday.
I won't ca too many coaches dirty as it implies you can actually pin something on them, but sleazy yes. Unfortunately it appears to be successful you have to crawl into the sewers. You want to stop this then ban recruitment of any player who does AAU. Use HD again. If there is a rush to find clean coaches, then that increases the odds of Oscar being snagged from us. If he had a level recruiting field he might not do so crappy.
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It happens in many places. Even my D3 baseball playing friend got under the table stuff.
His dad was a state champ high school football coach in Ohio. All kinds of goodies flying there. Never any $100K stories though.
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I'm still not clear what is federally illegal here. Against ncaa rules sure, but, were any public officials bribed?
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Read the press release that I linked. Charges are listed.
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Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture. Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done.
No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas. I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics.
eff that guy
WTF? You think people wouldn't cheat and funnel money if college basketball didn't have the NBA's one and done rule? I remember when there wasn't a one and done rule and there were lots of cheating ass coaches, right spracs?
What part of "partially" is confusing? How about the caveat of "this series of episodes" (which clearly indicates that there's many other forms of cheating and incidents of cheating)?
You seem to be confused by the word partially, not me. I'm confused as to how you can attribute any of this to one and dones, if it was happening before that was enacted.
Vaccaro: Apparel company schemes nothing new http://es.pn/2wV0oUR
I look forward to how you're going to call Sonny Vaccaro wrong to justify your rant against lib Bilas
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Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture. Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done.
No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas. I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics.
eff that guy
WTF? You think people wouldn't cheat and funnel money if college basketball didn't have the NBA's one and done rule? I remember when there wasn't a one and done rule and there were lots of cheating ass coaches, right spracs?
What part of "partially" is confusing? How about the caveat of "this series of episodes" (which clearly indicates that there's many other forms of cheating and incidents of cheating)?
You seem to be confused by the word partially, not me. I'm confused as to how you can attribute any of this to one and dones, if it was happening before that was enacted.
Vaccaro: Apparel company schemes nothing new http://es.pn/2wV0oUR
I look forward to how you're going to call Sonny Vaccaro wrong to justify your rant against lib Bilas
There's also a newer pronounced element of "investment" in one and doners by outside parties, because they know they're going to get a quick return on their dime. You seemed to be confused by what you said. You implied that I am saying the only thing driving corruption (both in the past, now and in the future)in college basketball is one and done's. Which is not what I said nor even implied. The shoe companies have been up to shenanigans since before you were born, everyone already understands this. But there were also sports agent firms raided by the FBI and people at that/those agencies arrested. Agents have clearly always been a problem, but now they are doubling and tripling down because they're not waiting multiple years to make bank on some of these guys. In fact, in some cases, they're making bank in 8 months.
Had you heard the interview, Bilas pretty much dismissed the one and done element (element, not the entire issue) straight out, which is bullshit. IMO he's doing that because Coach K is all-in on potential one and done recruits. Jay has a bad habit of pointing fingers everywhere else in college athletics, but going radio silence on his alma mater, who pays its b-ball coach $5 million plus dollars a year, and just spent hundreds of millions of dollars on athletic facilities, after just spending hundreds of millions dollars on athletic facilities a few years ago. Jay's "There's never enough money" Tweets are always pointing out big expenditures, big contracts and fancy facilities every where else, but not surprisingly, that never includes Duke. Coach K is in national corporate advertising campaigns, and has always been one of Nike's top guys. So Jay's hero is all-in on the big money element of college athletics, but you'll never hear that from Jay Bilas.
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Probably luked but Louisville shitcanned their AD this morning. Rick probably next.
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And down goes Rick Pitino...per ESPN.
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come home, Rick.
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Confidence rising that oscar is going to win the whole goddamn thing this year! :excited:
Akron Zips
Arkansas State Red Wolves
Baylor Bears (basketball) lol obvi
Bowling Green Falcons
Brown Bears
Bucknell Bison
Central Michigan Chippewas
Cincinnati Bearcats
Denver Pioneers
Duquesne Dukes
Durham College
Drake Bulldogs
Eastern Michigan Eagles
FAU Owls
FIU Golden Panthers
Franciscan University of Steubenville
Georgia State Panthers
Grand Valley Lakers
High Point University
Howard Payne University
Indiana Hoosiers
Kansas Jayhawks- Soon to come
Lindenwood Lions[2]
Louisville Cardinals
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Loyola Marymount Lions
Lyndon State College
Maine Black Bears
Mercer University
Miami (OH)
Michigan Wolverines
Milwaukee Panthers
Mississippi State Bulldogs
Mount Olive College
Nebraska Cornhuskers
Nebraska-Omaha Mavericks
NMSU Aggies
NC State Wolfpack
Northern Illinois Huskies
Northwestern Wildcats (ending in 2012)[3]
Notre Dame Fighting Irish
University of Ontario Institute of Technology Ridgebacks
Saint Mary's Gaels
SIU Edwardsville Cougars
SMU Mustangs
Tennessee Volunteers
Texas A&M Aggies
Troy Trojans
UC Davis Aggies
UCLA Bruins
UIC Flames
ULM Warhawks
UMass Minutemen
Utah Valley Wolverines
Weber State Wildcats
Western Michigan Broncos
Wisconsin Badger- can't rough ridin' wait!
Not listed, Miami must have just got a new contract.
https://twitter.com/lookner/status/912691245398609920
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That's a 2012 list. It's shockingly hard to find who's all underneath contract with them.
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scroll down to see under "adidas ncaa schools"
http://adidas-team.com/resources/links/ (http://adidas-team.com/resources/links/)
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Pitino gone according to SI also. Should have canned for whoregate. CBS Sports saying Pearl @ Auburn under the gun. This is fun.
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crap. Did Baylor cancel their contract with them last year?
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Hmmm. Notre Dame is UA now, I know that. Baylor is Nike now. I bet some of these rough ridin' schools jumped ship and saw the writing on the wall ahead of time.
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In case no one knows what Yum is, it's their arena
https://twitter.com/mikelacett/status/913064531848548361
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come home, Rick.
Oh hell no
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Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture. Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done.
No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas. I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics.
eff that guy
WTF? You think people wouldn't cheat and funnel money if college basketball didn't have the NBA's one and done rule? I remember when there wasn't a one and done rule and there were lots of cheating ass coaches, right spracs?
What part of "partially" is confusing? How about the caveat of "this series of episodes" (which clearly indicates that there's many other forms of cheating and incidents of cheating)?
You seem to be confused by the word partially, not me. I'm confused as to how you can attribute any of this to one and dones, if it was happening before that was enacted.
Vaccaro: Apparel company schemes nothing new http://es.pn/2wV0oUR
I look forward to how you're going to call Sonny Vaccaro wrong to justify your rant against lib Bilas
There's also a newer pronounced element of "investment" in one and doners by outside parties, because they know they're going to get a quick return on their dime. You seemed to be confused by what you said. You implied that I am saying the only thing driving corruption (both in the past, now and in the future)in college basketball is one and done's. Which is not what I said nor even implied. The shoe companies have been up to shenanigans since before you were born, everyone already understands this. But there were also sports agent firms raided by the FBI and people at that/those agencies arrested. Agents have clearly always been a problem, but now they are doubling and tripling down because they're not waiting multiple years to make bank on some of these guys. In fact, in some cases, they're making bank in 8 months.
Had you heard the interview, Bilas pretty much dismissed the one and done element (element, not the entire issue) straight out, which is bullshit. IMO he's doing that because Coach K is all-in on potential one and done recruits. Jay has a bad habit of pointing fingers everywhere else in college athletics, but going radio silence on his alma mater, who pays its b-ball coach $5 million plus dollars a year, and just spent hundreds of millions of dollars on athletic facilities, after just spending hundreds of millions dollars on athletic facilities a few years ago. Jay's "There's never enough money" Tweets are always pointing out big expenditures, big contracts and fancy facilities every where else, but not surprisingly, that never includes Duke. Coach K is in national corporate advertising campaigns, and has always been one of Nike's top guys. So Jay's hero is all-in on the big money element of college athletics, but you'll never hear that from Jay Bilas.
Dax, I appreciate the breakdown but I agree with Bilas, and I have no reason to shill for Duke and Coach K. College freshmen still got drafted before the one and done era. The market, if you want to call it that, for coaches to get kickbacks for funneling players to agents has and will always exist as long as amateurs are getting drafted to become professionals. We'll just have to agree to disagree, because I don't believe one has anything to do with the other. It's very possible to have this opinion and have it stand on its own without having to cover for someone or something.
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Oh really, Jurich?
[tweet]913061626764505088[/tweet]
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Looks like a board meeting is required to can Pitino but Jurich...
[tweet]913054133955055618[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/christopherotts/status/913053366334484481
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I wouldn't be doing my job as designated black guy if I didn't bring this up, but there seems to be an elephant in the room that we aren't addressing. Why just college basketball?
The shoe deal component of this is absolutely unique to college basketball and I won't pretend otherwise. However, there is no damn way men's college basketball is the only sport that has coaches getting paid to funnel players to someone with deep pockets. Should I expect football, baseball, and track next?
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I need to see the financial model for trying to lock down these nba hopefuls to adidas in the hopes that they'll sell shoes if they make it to nba obscurity in milwaukee or wherever.
The agent aspect of this makes a lot more sense to me.
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I just can't wait to see the white pinstriped suit on the sideline for the KU game in 2018! :bball:
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I need to see the financial model for trying to lock down these nba hopefuls to adidas in the hopes that they'll sell shoes if they make it to nba obscurity in milwaukee or wherever.
The agent aspect of this makes a lot more sense to me.
Isn't the shoe component separate from the agent component? That's why guys who have never worked at an Adidas school, like Lamont, are involved.
I read it as the shoe thing coming into play with recruiting and the agent thing happens when a player becomes a pro prospect.
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I need to see the financial model for trying to lock down these nba hopefuls to adidas in the hopes that they'll sell shoes if they make it to nba obscurity in milwaukee or wherever.
The agent aspect of this makes a lot more sense to me.
Isn't the shoe component separate from the agent component? That's why guys who have never worked at an Adidas school, like Lamont, are involved.
I read it as the shoe thing coming into play with recruiting and the agent thing happens when a player becomes a pro prospect.
Yeah, separate tracks I believe. I've barely looked at it at all because college basketball, but on the shoe front I thought it was that adidas was paying someone to get supposed pro prospects to adidas schools with the idea that they'd be easily accessible by adidas people and sign with adidas once pro.
I guess it's like buying lottery tickets. But who are some young players that are actually selling product, especially crap product like adidas basketball shoes?
The only hoops shoes I've bought because of the player are Kamikazes and that's most recently been over a decade after he retired and certainly not to play in.
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Dear lord, please! :pray:
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/913081707309477891
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I need to see the financial model for trying to lock down these nba hopefuls to adidas in the hopes that they'll sell shoes if they make it to nba obscurity in milwaukee or wherever.
The agent aspect of this makes a lot more sense to me.
Isn't the shoe component separate from the agent component? That's why guys who have never worked at an Adidas school, like Lamont, are involved.
I read it as the shoe thing coming into play with recruiting and the agent thing happens when a player becomes a pro prospect.
Yeah, separate tracks I believe. I've barely looked at it at all because college basketball, but on the shoe front I thought it was that adidas was paying someone to get supposed pro prospects to adidas schools with the idea that they'd be easily accessible by adidas people and sign with adidas once pro.
I guess it's like buying lottery tickets. But who are some young players that are actually selling product, especially crap product like adidas basketball shoes?
The only hoops shoes I've bought because of the player are Kamikazes and that's most recently been over a decade after he retired and certainly not to play in.
I believe the shoe companies place greater value in steering the players to the schools they have big contracts with while winning the endorsement lotto is just icing.
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Dear lord, please! :pray:
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/913081707309477891
So many KU fans have been freaking out on twitter the past couple of days.... that or they have the "we don't need to cheat to be good, so obvs no way we were involved".
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They obviously cheat and also this. Lol
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/913081776372895744
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All the UL fans pledging loyalty to L1C4 is hilarious.
Can't wait to see the same from KU.
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I believe the shoe companies place greater value in steering the players to the schools they have big contracts with while winning the endorsement lotto is just icing.
That makes more sense. Still gotta wonder if the risk is worth it. Feels like the only people who'd buy crap because of ku, louisville, etc. are hardcore fans who'd buy whatever clown shoes they're wearing regardless of how good they are.
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i wonder if this is why wally judge came to kstate
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Yea I know I'm late for the party, but thought I'd leave this here for your reading enjoyment.
LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Louisville has placed coach Rick Pitino and athletic director Tom Jurich on administrative leave amid a federal bribery investigation.
Interim university President Greg Postel said at a news conference Wednesday that Jurich is on paid leave, while Pitino is on unpaid leave. The coach's attorney, Steve Spence, told the Courier-Journal that Louisville has "effectively fired" Pitino.
Neither Pitino nor Jurich attended the news conference.
"I'm more angry than embarrassed," Postel said. "We will be looking for someone with integrity. There's no reason this team can't have a good season.
"It is vital for this university to strictly adhere to the NCAA rules and of course federal law. Failure to do that would be a tacit endorsement of criminal behavior."
Pitino's exit comes after the school acknowledged on Tuesday that the men's program is part of a federal investigation into alleged bribery of recruits. The 65-year-old coach was not named in the indictment that resulted in the arrest of 10 people including four assistant coaches at other schools and an Adidas executive.
it is the latest black eye for the Cardinals program. Pitino and Louisville are in the middle of appealing NCAA sanctions handed out in June following an escort scandal that unfolded nearly two years ago, which could cost the school its 2013 national title.
Jurich has supported Pitino through his transgressions during the athletic director's nearly 20-year tenure at the university.
Pitino, 65, was 416-143 over 16 years at Louisville, including that 2013 NCAA championship.
In the latest investigation, federal prosecutors say at least three top high school recruits were promised payments of as much as $150,000, using money supplied by Adidas, to attend two universities sponsored by the athletic shoe company. Court papers didn't name the schools but contained enough details to identify one of them as Louisville.
Postel also said Wednesday that one student-athlete has been informed he will not practice or play for the university until investigation is resolved.
"This decision will protect the interests of both the student and the University of Louisville," Postel said.
Pitino is not named in the federal documents, though the school acknowledged it is under investigation by the FBI.
"These allegations come as a complete shock to me," the coach said in a statement Tuesday night. "If true, I agree with the U.S. Attorney's Office that these third-party schemes, initiated by a few bad actors, operated to commit a fraud on the impacted universities and their basketball programs, including the University of Louisville. Our fans and supporters deserve better and I am committed to taking whatever steps are needed to ensure those responsible are held accountable."
Louisville was already reeling from the sex scandal. The program has been ordered to vacate up to 123 victories in which ineligible players received improper benefits -- a period that includes the 2013 title, its third -- along with the 2012 Final Four appearance. The NCAA also placed the school on four years' probation and ordered the return of money received through conference revenue sharing. McGee received a 10-year, show-cause penalty.
Pitino was ordered to miss five unspecified Atlantic Coast Conference games this season.
The NCAA noted that Cardinal players and recruits had received improper benefits and called the activities in the dorm "repugnant" in its decision.
Pitino is 770-271 over a 32-year coaching career with stops at Hawaii, Boston, Providence and Kentucky, where he won the 1996 NCAA title. He has also coached in the NBA with the Boston Celtics and New York Knicks.
But that success has been overshadowed by a recent series of embarrassing episodes that began nearly two years ago with escort Katina Powell's book allegations that former Cardinals staffer Andre McGee hired her and other dancers for sex parties with players and recruits in the team's dormitory.
Powell wrote in "Breaking Cardinal Rules: Basketball and the Escort Queen" that former Cardinals men's basketball staffer Andre McGee hired her and other dancers to strip and have sex with players and recruits from 2010-14. Powell said McGee paid her $10,000 for 22 shows with most occurring in the team's Billy Minardi Hall dormitory named for Pitino's brother-in-law, who died in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York.
Pitino denied knowledge of the activities described in Powell's book and criticized McGee for his actions.
Before the sex scandal case, Pitino had to testify in 2010 in a federal extortion trial for the wife of the school's equipment manager, when he acknowledged under oath to having an extramarital affair with her in a Louisville restaurant.
Monday will mark two years since the escort scandal broke and sparked multiple investigations, including one by the school as well as the NCAA. Louisville's own investigation determined that violations did occur and announced in February 2016 a self-imposed postseason ban along with recruiting restrictions.
Those measures were implemented in hopes of mitigating further discipline by the NCAA, which accepted the self-imposed ban. That didn't happen. The NCAA's Committee on Infractions dismissed Pitino's contention that he was unaware of McGee's activities and imposed harsher penalties on the program and the coach.
Louisville's appeal contends that the NCAA overstepped its authority with "draconian" penalties. Pitino called the penalties "unjust and over the top in its severity" when announced on June 15.
Tuesday's indictment also occurs just over a month since Adidas and Louisville announced a 10-year, $160 million partnership extension through 2028. The sportswear maker has been partnered with the school since 1998.
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We will be looking for someone with integrity. There's no reason this team can't have a good season.
oscar!
Squeaky clean - check
Win games immediately with a talented, inherited roster - check
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Where's the Saban "you get a car" meme? But I digress.
KU fans, Kentucky fans are pure comedy when it comes to this stuff.
"we're so good we don't need to cheat". LOL.
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Heh.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170927/5718433a973cb8ca4803e40f624de677.jpg)
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come home, Rick.
Oh hell no
No worries, Pitino is done at the college level. Probably NBA too.
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Have my darling Kentucky Wildcats been linked to anything yet? I'm out of the loop on all of this jazz.
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That shirt is blue for a reason, so nah.
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Not yet! Love cheering for Blue along side my wife but Cal is sleazy.
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Cal is amazing at all he does. He is a perfect fit at the best basketball college.
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Cal is amazing at all he does. He is a perfect fit at the best basketball college.
He's amazing at using other people's bank accounts. That's for sure.
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Cal is amazing at all he does. He is a perfect fit at the best basketball college.
He's amazing at using other people's bank accounts. That's for sure.
it takes more than just being corrupt or using other people’ bank accounts or whatever that you think of calipari, to be as good as he is at what he does, which is win games and produce professional bballers
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Nope he just other people's bank accounts his way into final fours 247365
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Thanks, guys. That was real #1cat stuff. I appreciate it.
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Reddit has a good thread going too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/72kart/fbi_arrests_several_ncaa_asst_coaches_in/
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Highlights?
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A lot of similar hbbiq stuff we see here. Interesting to see them put together which schools and which players were referenced in the complaint. I just did a quick scroll through for players myself.
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come home, Rick.
Oh hell no
No worries, Pitino is done at the college level. Probably NBA too.
Someone in the NBA will take Pitino. They shouldn't, but they will.
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I wouldn't be doing my job as designated black guy if I didn't bring this up, but there seems to be an elephant in the room that we aren't addressing. Why just college basketball?
The shoe deal component of this is absolutely unique to college basketball and I won't pretend otherwise. However, there is no damn way men's college basketball is the only sport that has coaches getting paid to funnel players to someone with deep pockets. Should I expect football, baseball, and track next?
I sort of alluded to this earlier (pg 3). Wouldnt be surprised at all if indeed it does eventually uncover a few football programs as being involved as well.
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When the Adidas people start squealing to save themselves is when the crap really starts flying.
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nike is in on this too, when is the other shoe going to drop
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come home, Rick.
Oh hell no
No worries, Pitino is done at the college level. Probably NBA too.
Someone in the NBA will take Pitino. They shouldn't, but they will.
Nope. Too damaged, too unsuccessful in his first stint, and most importantly, waaaayyy too old.
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yeah he's ancient, dude looks like skeletor from the castle of greyskull
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nike is in on this too, when is the other shoe going to drop
well played
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yeah he's ancient, dude looks like skeletor from the castle of greyskull
He was signed thru 2026 :lol:
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Nope he just other people's bank accounts his way into final fours 247365
LOOK. AT. YOU!
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Big picture take with some explanations of the FBI interest.
https://sports.yahoo.com/feds-decided-college-basketballs-corruption-worth-time-171833684.html
Why feds decided college basketball's corruption was worth their time
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Big picture take with some explanations of the FBI interest.
https://sports.yahoo.com/feds-decided-college-basketballs-corruption-worth-time-171833684.html
Why feds decided college basketball's corruption was worth their time
the tiny little baby lamb inside of me hopes to find out in the end that the ncaa worked hand in hand with the fbi throughout their investigation.
the tiny little baby minotaur inside of me knows that the ncaa is as complicit and dirty as the people they're supposed to have oversight of
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So obviously the HCs are going to deny any involvement because you'd have to be really really dumb to set it up otherwise, but if Frank or Brad was still at KSU we'd be on this list right?
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I believe you are correct catastrophe.
As noted in that article, people are going to roll on each other. It gets real ugly shortly for many athletic departments.
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the bets portion of this thread reminded me of the time MJ banned rusty from ksufans for a month based on some bet they had. so to hang out with rusty you had to go to OUHoops.com message board. so we all did. and then fatty scolded me for not having Michael Beasley as my avatar over there.
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:lol:
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:lol:
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A little dumpster diving:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/magazine/in-search-of-the-next-andrew-wiggins.html
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For the first year or two, it seriously seemed like 80% of the posts on ksufans came from fatty and rusty. Not a bad thing.
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the bets portion of this thread reminded me of the time MJ banned rusty from ksufans for a month based on some bet they had. so to hang out with rusty you had to go to OUHoops.com message board. so we all did. and then fatty scolded me for not having Michael Beasley as my avatar over there.
that's totes adorbs :D
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irl :Rusty:
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:lol:
http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=24232.msg311215#msg311215
Man, just search "rusty month ban" in there. :lol:
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:lol:
http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=24232.msg311837#msg311837
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For the first year or two, it seriously seemed like 80% of the posts on ksufans came from fatty and rusty. Not a bad thing.
stunner and fatty's overnight spam sessions during and pre-GRCOAT :love:
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:lol:
http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=24232.msg311215#msg311215
Man, just search "rusty month ban" in there. :lol:
bookcat with the typical bodybaggin of cRusty
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I think OUHoops deleted all their history prior to 2009 :frown:
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https://twitter.com/DavidGlennShow/status/913451107023818752
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:lol:
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https://www.chatsports.com/kansas-jayhawks/a/sources-adidas-was-trying-steer-five-star-2018-recruit-kansas-35608
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KU last Friday: Adidas contract extension worth lots of $$$!
KU Tuesday: Bad guy from Adidas didn't sign our contract
KU today: We don't actually have a signed contract with Adidas, we might change it
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Lot of hawksplaining going on right now.
I really admire how they're so convinced that there's no way KU could be involved in any shenanigans.
It takes a special kind of diehard to continually extoll the notion that 5 star recruits engaged in the muck and the mire of the recruiting process choose KU simply because of their unmitigated desire to put on that Kansas uniform, while everyone else has to cheat.
BTW, I really hope it goes all the way back to Beasley and Walker for us because it will be sort of a walk down memory lane to a time we really tried to be a basketball power (again).
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Burning gear. It's just not for NFL fans.
Loserville fans are losing their minds.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1635995556432191&id=100000652863705
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I think OUHoops deleted all their history prior to 2009 :frown:
They still have this one. :lol:
http://ouhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22553
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I think OUHoops deleted all their history prior to 2009 :frown:
They still have this one.
http://ouhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22553
Damn. That's a lot of bbs butthurt.
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i totally forgot about that one :lol:
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A little dumpster diving:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/magazine/in-search-of-the-next-andrew-wiggins.html
Enjoyed reading that article, apparently Nike did not offer enough for Diallo
Dramé, who likes to refer to himself as the King of Mali, was hoping to finance an annual camp in Mali with the help of a sneaker company. One morning in Sacramento, he told me that a Nike representative visited him in his hotel room the previous evening, after midnight. When I asked what they talked about, he offered, simply, “Basketball.”
“I just texted Kevin Ollie,” Dramé said, referring to the head coach at Connecticut. “He wanted me to text him.”
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Ben ji, thanks for getting this thread back on track after dorkstore central tried to wreck it with their dumbass old man glory days posts.
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is it only a concidence that my underwear that ripped in half was adidas?
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https://twitter.com/DavidGlennShow/status/913451107023818752
That's amazing
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:lol:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/72zwrm/rick_pitino_has_been_confirmed_as_coach2_in_the/
May slick Ricky Pitino might not get a job coaching at the Y.
"no one swings a bigger dick than [coach 2]" at Company 1. "All [coach 2 has to do] is pick up the phone and call somebody, [and say] these are my guys, they're taking care of us."
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https://twitter.com/mikecasazza/status/913740000843399169
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That's great!
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It's a damn shame there is only one way to skin a cat right Bob......
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https://twitter.com/mikecasazza/status/913740000843399169
Apparently giving a kids mom a house in Manhattan as well as a well paying job is not allowing a player to have something over you......
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https://twitter.com/mikecasazza/status/913740000843399169
Apparently giving a kids mom a house in Manhattan as well as a well paying job is not allowing a player to have something over you......
Apparently Huggs didn't go to that Bill Self/Doug Compton seminar at the Holiday Inn.
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https://twitter.com/NativeFlash22/status/913793049964277760
https://twitter.com/BunkiePerkins/status/913595415068524545
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https://twitter.com/BunkiePerkins/status/913595415068524545
Bunkie must have done a lot of digging to figure out who did it before deciding eff it, just post it himself w/o credit.
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http://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sidelines-with-john-clay/article176095026.html
This article says Miller at AZ may be next to be canned. Hinges on whether if he knew what his crooked coach was doing. I have a hard time believing a head coach wouldn't. Right USCarolina, Illinois
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Obvious smear campaign against the cleanest program in college basketball: https://www.chatsports.com/kansas-jayhawks/a/sources-adidas-was-trying-steer-five-star-2018-recruit-kansas-35608
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Oh come on Chat Sports, leave KU alooooooooone: https://www.chatsports.com/ncaa/a/3-nba-players-linked-sports-agent-charged-funneling-money-suspended-louisville-player-fbi-investigation-35613
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/the-latest-ok-state-fires-assistant-tied-to-hoops-scandal/ar-AAsAiMH?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
The University of Kansas is conducting an internal review of its storied program after a nationwide federal bribery investigation uncovered rampant fraud and corruption in college basketball.
Associated athletic director Jim Marchiony tells The Associated Press that the Adidas-sponsored school has not been contacted by any law enforcement agencies, but it chose to review its program after the Department of Justice filed charges Tuesday against 10 people, including four college basketball coaches.
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I'm not sure there has really been true "amateur" sport in D1 football and basketball in my lifetime, at the highest levels of the sport, the elites and those trying to be elite. Couple this with my disdain of the American collegiate system giving money for scholarships to people who do not work hard a school, and I've had enough. eff it. I hope it all turns into the way pro-soccer is run around the world. You want to play sports? Fine, do it in club teams.
Let's let schools be for teaching and learning, and the rough ridin' sports stuff can go figure it out on their own. I'm just tired of it.
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From UK ticket pickup...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Conor_WLEX/status/913950527079223296
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Now that's zeal
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https://twitter.com/ericcrawford/status/914204719236681729
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Things like this are going to make them dig deeper and deeper.
http://nypost.com/2017/09/30/father-of-ex-louisville-star-my-son-was-offered-100k-from-rival/
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wonder who that "other school in the big 12" with an adidas contract was??? Oh yeah, its ku...LOLZ. :ROFL:
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wonder who that "other school in the big 12" with an adidas contract was??? Oh yeah, its ku...LOLZ. :ROFL:
Not to rain on the parade but it very well may have been Baylor as well.
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Baylor exploits our lord and saviour for its competitive advantage.
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Bill Self might actually be a guy who can get someone to play for him for free tho. If he were, say, the coach of any other school, KSU fans would like him.
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Kentucky and Cal still good, right?
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Bill Self might actually be a guy who can get someone to play for him for free tho. If he were, say, the coach of any other school, KSU fans would like him.
Then why does he recruit players of such marginal character?
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Bill Self might actually be a guy who can get someone to play for him for free tho. If he were, say, the coach of any other school, KSU fans would like him.
Then why does he recruit players of such marginal character?
He hasn't recruited a murderer, so he's one step ahead of LHCBS I suppose.
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The more I think about it, Fake Sugar Dick, the more I think Bill Self probably focuses on guys who are super good at playing basketball and can help him win the conference every rough ridin' year. Though, I am not a mind reader, and am merely speculating.
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Pete, nobody disagrees that Bill Self is a win at all cost coach who recruits players with criminally violent tendencies and no interest in pursuing higher education. That fact tends to bely your deluded proposition that players want to play for him for free. Indeed, the cost of bringing players of such poor character to a university and maintaining their eligibility through various shams and frauds is tremendous.
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Fair point. Works tho.
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wonder who that "other school in the big 12" with an adidas contract was??? Oh yeah, its ku...LOLZ. :ROFL:
Not to rain on the parade but it very well may have been Baylor as well.
Okie lite? :dunno:
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they're nike
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We should switch to Adidas right now. Maybe they will overpay for association with a program that would never do anything to upset any other schools over recruiting.
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The Adidas Ultraboost running shoes are the best I have ever worn!
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Their BB uniforms are always horrible, tho.
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Their BB uniforms are always horrible, tho.
https://youtu.be/diYAc7gB-0A?t=2m04s
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Ruh-roh :ohno:
https://twitter.com/ConnerMitchell0/status/918305118780645376
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Meh, of course they're being investigated. Still fun to read the comments of those who feel the MEDIA :curse: is out to get KU.
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My gut tells me that the KU student newspaper isn't onto a story here. But, maybe everyone whiffed and the student newspaper nailed.
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https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/922536049993232384
Too bad Frank is caught up in this too, right?
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https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/922536049993232384
Too bad Frank is caught up in this too, right?
We have no idea. Evans was personally profiting from the scheme, there's been nothing tying him to any head coach he's worked for.
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Damn Coach Cal is great.
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http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/21143729/louisville-cardinals-blasts-former-ad-tom-jurich-firing-letter
Amazing the AD's firing was unanimous.
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Damn Coach Cal is great.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kentuckys-john-calipari-buys-2000-student-tickets-for-charity-exhibition-game/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kentuckys-john-calipari-buys-2000-student-tickets-for-charity-exhibition-game/)
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no one cares
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SDK cares. ;)
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SDK cares. ;)
This. Qft. CanCo.
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https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/964274750439731200
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I hope it's a complete wasteland with no survivors and then some young new coaches come in and whip oscar weber's ass and we finally fire him
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I hope it's a complete wasteland with no survivors and then some young new coaches come in and whip oscar weber's ass and we finally fire him
"almost half of the 16 teams the NCAA showed on its initial NCAA tournament show this weekend should worry about their appearance being vacated.”
"there’s potentially as many 50 college basketball programs that could end up compromised in some way."
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the ncaa isn’t about to sanction anyone that could disrupt its cash cow
that said, I do like steve dave’s idea on whipping oscar brett weber’s ass
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KU isn't getting touched FYI
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you dillholes shouldn't be rooting for your favorites. I just hope that the guilty burn. if that's us, so be it. burn. taking your time to hope it's some team you don't like is super losery.
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lol @ us getting any penalties
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is the fbi looking into it? i dont think they'd give a eff about blue bloods.
it's possible that oscar is the best non-cheating coach in the world, and once all the cheaters get wiped out, ksu will rise to the top.
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Leave the sewer alone dammit. Clean it out, and soon it will be filling full of turds. Cheating is an art form that never goes away. Just turn all College P5 into a capitalistic enterprise. Hell sell it to WWE. Make the coaches rassle for first possession. Get ugly buxom old hags for cheerleaders. Put Willie in overalls, Haystack Willie.
Stupid? Yes. Any more stupid than expecting we will have Oscar clean basketball? No.
It is pitiful that we hope for this because we think it will give us a chance to do better.
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I just want to see a bunch of videos of college coaches offices getting raided by the FBI and them being brought out in handcuffs and yelling that they didn't do it. Like, film it and put it on Cops type stuff.
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If it was Massa Seff, I'd try my hand at Photoshop.
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If it was Massa Seff, I'd try my hand at Photoshop.
You can start with this
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS0psPwU0AE6MLZ.jpg)
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Damn FBI and their liberal agenda!
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I hope this thing just crushes the entire D1 basketball situation as we know it. Nuke the whole thing back to the intramural level and then slowly rebuild it. Meanwhile, let the guys who want to play basketball for a living go play basketball for a living...I hope European and Chinese leagues feast on American 18 year olds and make those kids rich....force the NBA to drop it's ridiculous "1 year post high school" requirement" for fear of losing the best players.
I am rooting for professional basketball to turn out like professional soccer and professional baseball. Take the players young and pay them to be professionals. Leave the universities to education.
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Agree 100% Pete
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https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/964274750439731200
Then saw this in another article:
"Self, Syracuse's Jim Boeheim, Kentucky's John Calipari, Michigan State's Tom Izzo, Duke's Mike Krzyzewski and North Carolina's Roy Williams are the six active NCAA men's basketball coaches in the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. Four of the six programs appeared in the NCAA Selection Committee's sneak peek at the top 16 seeds in this year's NCAA Tournament bracket last weekend."
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I think not much will happen. Maybe one more Pitino like situation or something, but that's about it.
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Same. This feels like the Nunes memo.
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Hard to imagine the NCAA stomping on its own nut sack here. Setting an example with a single big time program is one thing, but taking down several of the biggest draws would be crazy.
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Hard to imagine the NCAA stomping on its own nut sack here. Setting an example with a single big time program is one thing, but taking down several of the biggest draws would be crazy.
With who? It won't stop diehard college basketball fans from loving college basketball, no one else cares until the tournament, you think the people who just watch championship week and the tournament will stop because Kansas, Duke, and Michigan State gets busted?
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lol, duke isn’t getting busted
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lol, chill, just throwing them out since they are coached by one of the six hall of fame coaches allegedly involved in this. I don't know or care who it is.
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Kurtis Townsend has made a career out of being a bagman so there is a 100% chance he is on the wiretaps. I think our guy Self was smart enough to keep some distance between himself and the nitty gritty contract details.
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Hard to imagine the NCAA stomping on its own nut sack here. Setting an example with a single big time program is one thing, but taking down several of the biggest draws would be crazy.
With who? It won't stop diehard college basketball fans from loving college basketball, no one else cares until the tournament, you think the people who just watch championship week and the tournament will stop because Kansas, Duke, and Michigan State gets busted?
It just seems like bad business to me. I think most of the diehards accept the fact that there are shady dealings going on behind the scenes. It's just a part of big time hoops. The casual fans probably don't care either way. They just want to see familiar faces play exciting games.
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How much money switched hands for oscar Weber to cover up a highway shooting spree with 1 of his players?
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Townsend is definitely part
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Not enough obviously seeing as how everyone knows it.
but you know that. this your thing now.
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The guy leading the investigation is probably some guy who got jaded by the big programs when he went to go play college ball and now he's got the power and is going to get his revenge.... when all the blue bloods are crying and begging saying, "C'mon, give us a chance!", he'll turn around and just like Horatio Cane from CSI: Miami and will slowely pull off his sunglasses and say in a raspy deep voice, "Well maybe you should have done that for me" and then walk off in to the sunset.
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The guy leading the investigation is probably some guy who got jaded by the big programs when he went to go play college ball and now he's got the power and is going to get his revenge.... when all the blue bloods are crying and begging saying, "C'mon, give us a chance!", he'll turn around and just like Horatio Cane from CSI: Miami and will slowely pull off his sunglasses and say in a raspy deep voice, "Well maybe you should have done that for me" and then walk off in to the sunset.
[youtube] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7uW47jWLMiY [/youtube]
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Hard to imagine the NCAA stomping on its own nut sack here. Setting an example with a single big time program is one thing, but taking down several of the biggest draws would be crazy.
With who? It won't stop diehard college basketball fans from loving college basketball, no one else cares until the tournament, you think the people who just watch championship week and the tournament will stop because Kansas, Duke, and Michigan State gets busted?
It just seems like bad business to me. I think most of the diehards accept the fact that there are shady dealings going on behind the scenes. It's just a part of big time hoops. The casual fans probably don't care either way. They just want to see familiar faces play exciting games.
The tourney would be just as good for the average viewer if NE Valdosta State played Colgate - they know those just as well as most of the other teams in the field.
In a way, at least for one year the sheer insanity of the tourney minus about 50 power conference and elite mid-major programs out of the mix would be very interesting to watch just for what could be an across the board competitive nature to the games and the realization you have no idea who could win the thing.
Just my take (and some of my HS students' as well).
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I'd watch that!
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People will watch anything they've bet any sum of money on, it doesn't matter the product. It's like watching a 3 week long 63 team parlay unfold.
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People will watch anything they've bet any sum of money on, it doesn't matter the product. It's like watching a 3 week long 63 team parlay unfold.
Agreed. It seems we have an uneasy alliance once again, Fake Sugar Dick.
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When looking for tournament replacement teams, the NCAA should focus on schools that have unique team names to get more people involved with bracket pools.
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When looking for tournament replacement teams, the NCAA should focus on schools that have unique team names to get more people involved with bracket pools.
JYC's would be in all time
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People will watch anything they've bet any sum of money on, it doesn't matter the product. It's like watching a 3 week long 63 team parlay unfold.
Agreed. It seems we have an uneasy alliance once again, Fake Sugar Dick.
I'd watch rubber dickies float from one side of a bathtub to another for hours if I had 5 on it (and a fifth of whiskey and some pals with 5 on it)
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https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/966468175297765376
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https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/966468175297765376
"If you have had a top draft pick in the last three years, you should be worried"
Welp, that settles it. We good!
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Cartier Martin is an ASM client :ohno:
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https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true
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Cartier Martin is an ASM client :ohno:
Yeah, I remember that we had the inside track to Joseph Jones (ended up at aTm) after Cartier, but Weiser shut it down. I don't remember the name of the AAU coach that he banned Wooly from working with (or something like that).
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https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true
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This is no surprise but yahoo sports oversold the hell out of this.
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The dollar amounts there are shockingly low
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So far it looks like current players might be done and coaches and schools walk? Obviously it’s early
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Cartier Martin is an ASM client :ohno:
Yeah, I remember that we had the inside track to Joseph Jones (ended up at aTm) after Cartier, but Weiser shut it down. I don't remember the name of the AAU coach that he banned Wooly from working with (or something like that).
Chris Salinas was Wool's dob or dov and David Salinas was the dad running the Houston aau team and a ponzi scheme on cbb coaches
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The dollar amounts there are shockingly low
I thought so too, but I think they may just be opening bids and the total amount for a kid with multiple offers is ~5x?
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:jerkoff:
https://twitter.com/InsidetheNCAA/status/967019057282207749
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Hello, KU
https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true
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Elijah Johnson got $15k+ :lol:
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Hello, KU
https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true
Thanks, Fake Sugar Luke, (WARNING NOT THE REAL SUGAR LUKE!)
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I am aghast! Frank'em ruined. Running a dirty program.
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Cartier Martin is an ASM client :ohno:
Yeah, I remember that we had the inside track to Joseph Jones (ended up at aTm) after Cartier, but Weiser shut it down. I don't remember the name of the AAU coach that he banned Wooly from working with (or something like that).
Chris Salinas was Wool's dob or dov and David Salinas was the dad running the Houston aau team and a ponzi scheme on cbb coaches
Thanks. I thought there was a connection with that ponzi scheme too, but I couldn't remember. That guy was a crook.
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Can someone summarize?
Is Bill Self going to jail?
If so, is there any chance he is cuffed this weekend in the middle of the game?
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WSU dolling out the big money to Van Vleet. $1000 :ROFL:
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My understanding is the agent was lending money to the player to incent them to sign with them in the future not the school paying the player to come to their school
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Haven't they already outed the dirty coaches and now it's just hitting the players/parents?
Also, beems is already pleading the case...
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Beems is right that a school really shouldn't be able to hire a dad to coach there.
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The dollar amounts there are shockingly low
So far it looks like current players might be done and coaches and schools walk? Obviously it’s early
Nope, for most of these amounts there would be a suspension imposed and the player would have to pay the amount back. This is what happened with Jake and Curt. Also happened with a ku basketball player at the beginning of the season a couple of years ago, don't remember which one. Josh Jackson? Embiid?
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The dollar amounts there are shockingly low
So far it looks like current players might be done and coaches and schools walk? Obviously it’s early
Nope, for most of these amounts there would be a suspension imposed and the player would have to pay the amount back. This is what happened with Jake and Curt. Also happened with a ku basketball player at the beginning of the season a couple of years ago, don't remember which one. Josh Jackson? Embiid?
Yep. I imagine the compliance people at all of these schools are scrambling right now to figure out what to do. They've probably been doing it a while though, I imagine most knew something was going to drop, it was just a matter of when it would happen.
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The dollar amounts there are shockingly low
So far it looks like current players might be done and coaches and schools walk? Obviously it’s early
Nope, for most of these amounts there would be a suspension imposed and the player would have to pay the amount back. This is what happened with Jake and Curt. Also happened with a ku basketball player at the beginning of the season a couple of years ago, don't remember which one. Josh Jackson? Embiid?
Yep. I imagine the compliance people at all of these schools are scrambling right now to figure out what to do. They've probably been doing it a while though, I imagine most knew something was going to drop, it was just a matter of when it would happen.
With Louisville a lot was tied back to coaches there. It’s possible more of this will be tied to coaches at these schools as it gets further along
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question is whether a school SHOULD know.
I mean, Darrell Arthur didn't graduate high school but the school and NCAA didn't catch it so no fault of Kansas.
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question is whether a school SHOULD know.
I mean, Darrell Arthur didn't graduate high school but the school and NCAA didn't catch it so no fault of Kansas.
Yeah, in that case, the mechanism that's set up has that as 100% on the NCAA Clearinghouse, although you'd have to wonder what the hell ku admissions were looking at.
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josh jackson’s mom’s name is apples!!!
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question is whether a school SHOULD know.
I mean, Darrell Arthur didn't graduate high school but the school and NCAA didn't catch it so no fault of Kansas.
Yeah, in that case, the mechanism that's set up has that as 100% on the NCAA Clearinghouse, although you'd have to wonder what the hell ku admissions were looking at.
A wink and nod from the clearing house. None of this news is a surprise.
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The dollar amounts there are shockingly low
So far it looks like current players might be done and coaches and schools walk? Obviously it’s early
Nope, for most of these amounts there would be a suspension imposed and the player would have to pay the amount back. This is what happened with Jake and Curt. Also happened with a ku basketball player at the beginning of the season a couple of years ago, don't remember which one. Josh Jackson? Embiid?
Josh Selby was one - they tried to say the agent had a pre existing relationship and the ncaa made him pay ~$8k iirc
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josh jackson’s mom’s name is apples!!!
Would that her surname were Jackson :frown:
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what if her surname was golden delicious
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I think that’s what bill self called her
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:lol:
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It's rumored that when Josh Jackson was engaging in felony property destruction he yelled out "how do you like them, apples?!?"
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sorry if i missed it, but someone just had a incriminating excel sheet sitting around? wut
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sorry if i missed it, but someone just had a incriminating excel sheet sitting around? wut
So this dude was giving kids and parents money in exchange for future considerations when they hire an agent, you gotta keep that straight somehow. This guy was a greedy prick so instead of doing this for a couple of dudes, this idiot was trying to gladhand every damn draft project.
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sorry if i missed it, but someone just had a incriminating excel sheet sitting around? wut
So this dude was giving kids and parents money in exchange for future considerations when they hire an agent, you gotta keep that straight somehow. This guy was a greedy prick so instead of doing this for a couple of dudes, this idiot was trying to gladhand every damn draft project.
i see. He needed to keep that crap on the dark web.
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Guys I know this isn't exactly the most radical of opinions but holy crap I would gladly have our wild purplecats at the center of this FBI probe if it meant we had a final four banner in the same time span. I would take it so hard even if we had to officially vacate the entire season a year or 2 after the fact.
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When nothing happens to any of these schools and they all get away with it*, I am going to be so pissed that we weren't cheating.
*If there really is anything to get away with.
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Guys I know this isn't exactly the most radical of opinions but holy crap I would gladly have our wild purplecats at the center of this FBI probe if it meant we had a final four banner in the same time span. I would take it so hard even if we had to officially vacate the entire season a year or 2 after the fact.
There are no shortcuts and cheaters never prosper, sad what the big city has done to your moral compass.
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Wildcat Salute had a discussion going about Micheal Beasley being mentioned. Is there a statute of limitations on how / when a crime was committed and if that effects KSU at all?
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Nothin' to see here, folks.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/967136063025307650
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I'm pretty underwhelmed by all of this after the hype.
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Called it. (The underwhelming part)
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-paul-salinas-931a02a4/
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OH crap!!!
Sources: Wiretaps show Miller talked payment http://es.pn/2ChetU0
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Wildcat Salute had a discussion going about Micheal Beasley being mentioned. Is there a statute of limitations on how / when a crime was committed and if that effects KSU at all?
He was mentioned in 2016 taking an advance. Bad money management, but no violations there
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OH crap!!!
Sources: Wiretaps show Miller talked payment http://es.pn/2ChetU0
My wife is an IU grad, so I’m super interested in this. Adidas school, Sean’s brother, etc.
This is by far the biggest bomb dropped so far
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OH crap!!!
Sources: Wiretaps show Miller talked payment http://es.pn/2ChetU0
https://twitter.com/mark_schlabach/status/967233866275618818
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Wildcat Salute had a discussion going about Micheal Beasley being mentioned. Is there a statute of limitations on how / when a crime was committed and if that effects KSU at all?
They're illiterate dumb fucks, this probe doesn't come close to that time frame, they're only off by a rough ridin' decade.
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Oh boy.
:bwpopcorn:
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Wildcat Salute had a discussion going about Micheal Beasley being mentioned. Is there a statute of limitations on how / when a crime was committed and if that effects KSU at all?
They're illiterate dumb fucks, this probe doesn't come close to that time frame, they're only off by a rough ridin' decade.
malik beasley, heh.
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OH crap!!!
Sources: Wiretaps show Miller talked payment http://es.pn/2ChetU0
My wife is an IU grad, so I’m super interested in this. Adidas school, Sean’s brother, etc.
This is by far the biggest bomb dropped so far
Yahoo didn't get the good stuff, I wonder if the FBI tipped them off as a final warning for people to come forth. They're getting ready to burn this bitch down.
Five seed, here we come.
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Wildcat Salute had a discussion going about Micheal Beasley being mentioned. Is there a statute of limitations on how / when a crime was committed and if that effects KSU at all?
They're illiterate dumb fucks, this probe doesn't come close to that time frame, they're only off by a rough ridin' decade.
malik beasley, heh.
To salute posters, they're all the same
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OH crap!!!
Sources: Wiretaps show Miller talked payment http://es.pn/2ChetU0
My wife is an IU grad, so I’m super interested in this. Adidas school, Sean’s brother, etc.
This is by far the biggest bomb dropped so far
Yahoo didn't get the good stuff, I wonder if the FBI tipped them off as a final warning for people to come forth. They're getting ready to burn this bitch down.
Five seed, here we come.
Yep!
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Back to the Andy Miller thing for a sec, it appears to be good news, bad news for Frank. He might have to take his final four banner down, doubt it, but if Bowen only took $7000, Frank might get him a Mcd All-American next year.
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I like this: http://sportspressnw.com/2238875/2018/thiel-hoops-scandal-imperils-all-ncaa-sports
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There are few people in North America I find more annoying than Jay Bilas.
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I love the crap out of this.
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This thing has been a fun ride so far. I am still very optimistic that this leads to the downfall of NCAA sports as we know them. I'm a dreamer though.
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The Miller wiretap is juicy and not underwhelming
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The Miller wiretap is juicy and not underwhelming
Very! I wonder who is on the other thousands of hours of recorded wire taps, given the the wide array of schools in the written documents?
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This thing has been a fun ride so far. I am still very optimistic that this leads to the downfall of NCAA sports as we know them. I'm a dreamer though.
If by that you mean the downfall of the billion dollar entertainment industries getting away with giving their performers a tiny chunk of the money they make on their backs, then I’m on board.
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This thing has been a fun ride so far. I am still very optimistic that this leads to the downfall of NCAA sports as we know them. I'm a dreamer though.
If by that you mean the downfall of the billion dollar entertainment industries getting away with giving their performers a tiny chunk of the money they make on their backs, then I’m on board.
Yep!
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https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/967444771580121089
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Meh, Arizona didn’t give a eff about the money. They want to win.
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i mean, you can just fire anyone without cause whenever, right? so that's meaningless.
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https://twitter.com/JC_Kentucky/status/967445784701689857
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i mean, you can just fire anyone without cause whenever, right? so that's meaningless.
Yeah, that has to be wrong, or most likely being interpreted wrong.
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i mean, you can just fire anyone without cause whenever, right? so that's meaningless.
Yeah, that has to be wrong, or most likely being interpreted wrong.
Unless Bob Krause wrote the contract
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is az a right to work state? there’s your answer
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Miller is done right? what about his center and Miles Bridges, they cant possibly play now can they?
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Miller is done right? what about his center and Miles Bridges, they cant possibly play now can they?
Miller is denying it. Bridges and Ayton have been cleared to play.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/967510559599005696
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Miller is done right? what about his center and Miles Bridges, they cant possibly play now can they?
Miller is denying it. Bridges and Ayton have been cleared to play.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/967510559599005696
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I guess the players can claim they never got money :dunno: the agent must have it.
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Ayton is claming more than that.
https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/967563844502646790
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Will they Manafort his ass
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Of course everyone is denying taking any money under the table that they did not report to the IRS...
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Will they Manafort his ass
technically it could be on the table now
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I mean cam newton still vehemently maintains his innocence
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Well he better be innocent, because this agent is looking at time and probably has the proof if he gave the dough to Ayton
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This criminal structure they have set up may not be easy to crack in all the other cases I assume are going on.
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They're trying to bait other coaches. They're using the ASU coach to scare other coaches to either move money around, come forward to make a deal, or get them to contact someone involved while the FBI has them wire tapped/under surveillance.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/969280126918823938
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Referees?
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Well, somebody is lying.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/969296965187133440
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this is going to turn out very interesting.
if i was mark schlabach i'd be pretty nervous i got some bad information.
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Interesting twist.
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Can’t wait for the FBI press conference rebuttal
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this is going to turn out very interesting.
if i was mark schlabach i'd be pretty nervous i got some bad information.
I think Miller likely did it and has nothing to lose by fighting it. If it's true, he'll never coach NCAA ball again regardless of what he does now. I know what they said about firing for cause in his contract but I don't think that's true. His best bet is to show that he'll fight everything so he can get the best buyout possible in the end.
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Plausible deniability even if it's not really plausible is the recommended approach here.
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he’s innocent imo and I am basically a human lie detector so fwiw
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i do find it interesting that Arizona's compliance department apparently has no problem playing ayton.
compare that with the bad timeline presented by Schlabach and all of a sudden miller's denials seem more plausible than they did a week ago.
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i do find it interesting that Arizona's compliance department apparently has no problem playing ayton.
compare that with the bad timeline presented by Schlabach and all of a sudden miller's denials seem more plausible than they did a week ago.
should be a fun lawsuit
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Well, somebody is lying.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/969296965187133440
this is going to turn out very interesting.
if i was mark schlabach i'd be pretty nervous i got some bad information.
Schlabach didn't report either of the two things Miller denied doing. The report was that Miller was on tape discussing payment of $100,000 to Ayton. No one said that Miller paid anyone anything. Notice Miller didn't deny the existence of the phone call.
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Miller is living on borrowed time. Those tapes exist, and he's gone whenever they enter the public record. Although I guess if everyone pleads out, they may never...
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Man, Arizona does not GAF, they are leaning into the cheating, with a little help from the NCAA.
Allonzo Trier somehow cleared to play even though he gave the wackest excuse for a failed test ever.
On the same day as university officials announced they were retaining head coach Sean Miller, Arizona learned it would be getting one of its star players back too.
The NCAA cleared guard Allonzo Trier to play Thursday night against Stanford after he won his appeal seeking to invalidate a failed drug test.
Attorney Steve Thompson argued that traces of a banned substance found in Trier’s system in late January were actually remnants left over from when he first tested positive in 2016. Thompson told Yahoo Sports last Thursday that both Trier’s positive tests were for Ostarine, a chemical compound that mimics the muscle-building and fat-burning effects of anabolic steroids.
Trier avoided a season-long suspension last year by successfully arguing he had ingested Ostarine inadvertently before the 2016-17 season when his stepfather mixed it into a drink. He returned after 19 games last January because that was when tests showed the Ostarine he ingested had fully cleared his system.
“Allonzo has never been a drug-cheat, and the NCAA found in 2016 that he never took Ostarine intentionally,” Thompson told Yahoo Sports last week. “The experts tell us Ostarine can be stored in fatty tissues for a long time, and tests can be negative but then later be positive as the substance comes out. The medical evidence also shows that the reappearance of a trace amount in his system now creates absolutely zero competitive advantage.”
Anti-doping experts who spoke to Yahoo Sports earlier this week questioned whether it was plausible for a detectable amount of Ostarine to stay in Trier’s system for well over a year. Don Catlin, founder and former director of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory, said it added to his skepticism that Trier passed multiple random drug screenings in between the NCAA lifting his suspension 13 months ago and his most recent positive test in late January.
“If the original positive finding was indeed due to inadvertent use of Ostarine in a drink provided by Trier’s father, as opposed to purposeful use of an Ostarine supplement by Trier, then it would be highly unlikely that he would test positive a year later from the original inadvertent use,” Catlin told Yahoo Sports. “Certainly a number of negative results in between support the conclusion that the most recent positive was not connected to the original inadvertent use.
“While hydration, which can affect pH of a urine sample, could be a factor and can influence results, it would not seem a very plausible explanation for a positive drug test occurring a year after inadvertent use of Ostarine. The pH of the negative samples in between could be compared to that of the original and recent positive to evaluate that further.”
Trier only missed two games while waiting for his appeal to be heard, a road win at Oregon State and a road loss at Oregon. Thursday’s decision ensures he will be back in uniform against Stanford as the Wildcats try to clinch a Pac-12 title and build momentum for the postseason.
Trier, Arizona’s second-leading scorer behind freshman Deandre Ayton, averages 19.6 points per game and shoots 43 percent from behind the arc. Trier was a preseason All-American and is likely to earn all-Pac-12 honors for the second straight season.
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Yes, agreed Arizona knows exactly what they’re getting into. They’re gonna try to make their tourney run and when Miller gets busted they’re going to be “shocked” and “disappointed” to find out he was cheating.
I would not at all be surprised if Miller gets some bonuses based on performance that Arizona has no grounds to recover after the fact.
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lester earl didn’t even go to high school
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Schlabach didn't report either of the two things Miller denied doing. The report was that Miller was on tape discussing payment of $100,000 to Ayton. No one said that Miller paid anyone anything. Notice Miller didn't deny the existence of the phone call.
I don't know, man. That's splitting some serious hairs.
Let me be very very clear: I have never discussed with Christian Dawkins paying Deandre Ayton to attend the University of Arizona. In fact, I never even met or spoke to Christian Dawkins until after Deandre publicly announced he was coming to our school. Any reporting to the contrary is inaccurate, false and defamatory.
I'm outraged by the media statements have been made and the acceptance by many that these statements were true. There was no such conversation.
http://tucson.com/news/local/read-the-full-transcript-of-arizona-coach-sean-miller-s/article_49cac6ec-1d95-11e8-b3d9-bb9e9ee6eece.html
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This thing is getting pretty muddy. SI and 247 are claiming sources saying the story from Schlabach is inaccurate, but ESPN is doubling down it.
As Arizona coach Sean Miller forcibly professed his innocence on Thursday in a statement that affirmed his status with the team, a source familiar with the college hoops corruption investigation confirmed with SI that the details of a wiretapped phone call involving Miller were inaccurately reported in a story by ESPN that said Miller “discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats.”
According to the source, relevant FBI wiretaps in the investigation did not begin until 2017—months after five-star recruit Deandre Ayton had already committed to Arizona in Sept. 2016. This account is consistent with reporting by Evan Daniels of 247Sports. The recruitment of Ayton, therefore, would have not been at issue in an intercepted phone call that occurred in 2017. To that end, the source told SI what Miller clarified for the first time Thursday: Ayton is not the player on whose behalf former ASM Sports employee Christian Dawkins allegedly sought a payment from Miller, and Miller never pursued paying or made any payments to a recruit associated with Dawkins.
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/01/arizona-sean-miller-deandre-ayton-espn-report
The Arizona-ESPN saga is continuing to heat up, and shortly after Arizona’s Sean Miller vehemently castigated ESPN’s reporting, the Worldwide Leader doubled down on its initial scoop that Miller had knowingly violated NCAA rules.
https://deadspin.com/espn-retracts-correction-in-sean-miller-wiretap-story-1823440125
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yeah i don't know if miller did anything wrong or not, but i think it's clear that ESPN's reporting on this was pretty pretty shaky.
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This thing is getting pretty muddy. SI and 247 are claiming sources saying the story from Schlabach is inaccurate, but ESPN is doubling down it.
As Arizona coach Sean Miller forcibly professed his innocence on Thursday in a statement that affirmed his status with the team, a source familiar with the college hoops corruption investigation confirmed with SI that the details of a wiretapped phone call involving Miller were inaccurately reported in a story by ESPN that said Miller “discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats.”
According to the source, relevant FBI wiretaps in the investigation did not begin until 2017—months after five-star recruit Deandre Ayton had already committed to Arizona in Sept. 2016. This account is consistent with reporting by Evan Daniels of 247Sports. The recruitment of Ayton, therefore, would have not been at issue in an intercepted phone call that occurred in 2017. To that end, the source told SI what Miller clarified for the first time Thursday: Ayton is not the player on whose behalf former ASM Sports employee Christian Dawkins allegedly sought a payment from Miller, and Miller never pursued paying or made any payments to a recruit associated with Dawkins.
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/01/arizona-sean-miller-deandre-ayton-espn-report
The Arizona-ESPN saga is continuing to heat up, and shortly after Arizona’s Sean Miller vehemently castigated ESPN’s reporting, the Worldwide Leader doubled down on its initial scoop that Miller had knowingly violated NCAA rules.
https://deadspin.com/espn-retracts-correction-in-sean-miller-wiretap-story-1823440125
Okay so... Miller was wiretapped discussing payment of $100,000 to a player, but that player wasn't Ayton? Or am I inaccurately reading between the lines there?
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yeah i don't know if miller did anything wrong or not, but i think it's clear that ESPN's reporting on this was pretty pretty shaky.
They reported the wiretap, he still hasn't denied the existence of the wiretap.
Okay so... Miller was wiretapped discussing payment of $100,000 to a player, but that player wasn't Ayton? Or am I inaccurately reading between the lines there?
That looks like the most likely scenario, although I'm willing to bet Ayton was mentioned in the course of the conversation.
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Also, just because he was committed doesn't mean Miller didn't want/need to pay him
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yeah i don't know if miller did anything wrong or not, but i think it's clear that ESPN's reporting on this was pretty pretty shaky.
They reported the wiretap, he still hasn't denied the existence of the wiretap.
Okay so... Miller was wiretapped discussing payment of $100,000 to a player, but that player wasn't Ayton? Or am I inaccurately reading between the lines there?
That looks like the most likely scenario, although I'm willing to bet Ayton was mentioned in the course of the conversation.
They reported a wire tap discussing a payment to Ayton that occurred in the spring of 2017, then corrected it to say spring of 2016. Then corrected that to just say sometime in 2016.
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yeah i don't know if miller did anything wrong or not, but i think it's clear that ESPN's reporting on this was pretty pretty shaky.
They reported the wiretap, he still hasn't denied the existence of the wiretap.
Okay so... Miller was wiretapped discussing payment of $100,000 to a player, but that player wasn't Ayton? Or am I inaccurately reading between the lines there?
That looks like the most likely scenario, although I'm willing to bet Ayton was mentioned in the course of the conversation.
They reported a wire tap discussing a payment to Ayton that occurred in the spring of 2017, then corrected it to say spring of 2016. Then corrected that to just say sometime in 2016.
No, the second correction affirmed the initial report. Either way, when the call happened is literally the least important element of the report.
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yeah i don't know if miller did anything wrong or not, but i think it's clear that ESPN's reporting on this was pretty pretty shaky.
They reported the wiretap, he still hasn't denied the existence of the wiretap.
Okay so... Miller was wiretapped discussing payment of $100,000 to a player, but that player wasn't Ayton? Or am I inaccurately reading between the lines there?
That looks like the most likely scenario, although I'm willing to bet Ayton was mentioned in the course of the conversation.
They reported a wire tap discussing a payment to Ayton that occurred in the spring of 2017, then corrected it to say spring of 2016. Then corrected that to just say sometime in 2016.
No, the second correction affirmed the initial report. Either way, when the call happened is literally the least important element of the report.
They corrected the story and changed the date twice.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW-by3BU0AAM5i2.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW-by3BVwAErmRX.jpg)
And when the call happened is very important. If Ayton signed his LOI to Arizona before any of the wiretapping actually occurred, it raises some questions about the story.
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There are a lot of points I can contradict here but I'll stick with the simplest one. Ayton signing his LOI has no effect, at all, whether or not Dawkins and/or Miller felt they needed to pay him to keep him at Arizona. That payment could have been made to give him some money to stop him from playing in Europe or Asia.
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I agree with MIR, everyone is getting so caught up on WHEN the call took place but the fact that it took place at all is what should be the focus
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Odds are the supposed wire tap is completely made up.
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Odds are the supposed wire tap is completely made up.
Would you like to bet, loser leaves the board, that it isn't?
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:ohno:
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Odds are the supposed wire tap is completely made up.
Would you like to bet, loser leaves the board, that it isn't?
Is Fake Sugar Dick up for the challenge?!?
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Where would I get my belly laughs from if FSD left?
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Lots of bets being thrown around this internet thread :nono:
But, yeah, that wire tap thing is made up.
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Lots of bets being thrown around this internet thread :nono:
But, yeah, that wire tap thing is made up.
Do you accept MIR’s wager?
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What if Ayton tells Dawkins he is probably going to Arizona, then Dawkins goes to Miller and says Ayton is up in the air and that if Miller will pay 100k or give him Tarzuski he can lock down Ayton, so Miller steers Tarz no money exchanged and Ayton knows nothing about the whole thing?
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Good point, schlabach. Take it to print.
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I don't want fsd to leave
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I don't want fsd to leave
Fake Sugar Dick has us all on pins and needles with this one. What do you think he will do?!?!
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Well, even when FSD loses the bet it’s not like he’ll leave leave. We just won’t have Chings split personality named FSD.
All that said I want FSD to stay because as I’ve said, the conspiracies and false statements really bring something to my day.
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Shut up, The Big Tuck
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Chings I’m trying to save you because of the hilarious takes
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prison time (tiny little baby amount)
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/06/07/lamont-evans-sentenced-three-months-prison-oklahoma-state?xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=si-ncaabb
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Man, taking one on the chin for Frank. Hope it was worth it.
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prison time (tiny little baby amount)
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/06/07/lamont-evans-sentenced-three-months-prison-oklahoma-state?xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=si-ncaabb
still pretty far from fun...plus supposedly might get deported